March 12, 2025 • 32 mins
On this week's episode Colombian superstar JUANES and Catalina Cock Duque, co-chair of his charity foundation, sit down with co-host Steve Baltin for an incredibly deep and fun conversation that goes from nature and spirituality to Bob Marley and Metallica!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, this is Steve Balton. Welcome to in service of
this week. I'm joined by both Wannis, the Colombian superstar,
and Catalina coc Duquet, the co chair of his foundation.
We have a very special conversation on giving back, but
oh so much more. As Wanna is said to be
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honored this weekend in Miami by Playing for Change. I
spoke with him in Catalina about their foundation, as well
as his friendship in Metallica, his fandom for Bob Marley,
being raised in Colombia, the early impact music had on him,
the importance of music education, so much more. This is
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a really profound and thoughtful conversation, so I hope you
enjoyed it as much as I did.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Well, first off, thank you both for being here this morning.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
You know, it's interesting where we were just talking before
about the fires in la and everything you can do
to give back, and of course you know we've got
together because you're being honored by Playing for Change. And
that's very interesting because I've talked to a lot of
artists and executives who are friends of mine, who you
know sometimes they're hesitant to be honored because you know,
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they don't necessarily want to put the spotlight on them
or you know whatever. But they all say agree if
it's for a worthy enough cause, they're happy to do it.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So why for you was playing for Change so important?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I mean, obviously it's a great charity and they promote
music education around the world.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Talk about what it means to you.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
It's funny that you said that. Do you mention that?
Because I was talking with Catalina just like can I
want to go? Probably, and I was trying to explain her,
you know, the way I feel it Sometimes I feel
kind of uncomfortable, you know, but at the same time
I feel okay. So if this is a good opportunity
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to share with the with the audience, I mean with
people like for example, and we're doing fum Nasser, then
I will, I will, I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Will do it.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
But it's also I mean it's uncomfortable a little bit. Yeah,
So I feel, yeah, very honored. Of course in Catarina too.
You know, we're having working with Funa miss Anger since
I don't know, sixteen years maybe, and every time it's
getting let's say complicated, you know, but but we we
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we really believe in what we do, and so these opportunities,
of course, are incredible for us. I think, Yeah, almost
nineteen years now, there's a lot of time.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah, you know, it's really interesting.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
The podcast that I do is called in Service Up
and you know for Cataline as well, it's about giving
back and it started with a couple of years ago.
You know, I've just done this forever and now everyone
And Alice Cooper said something so interesting to me. He
said at an event, he goes fame is the brand
that allows you to do good. And it's like, what
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good is having your fame if you can't bring attention
to something like Change, which raises money for global music education,
which as we know, has been gutted around the world.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, man, that's right.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
And you know, my personal experience and with with music
and with art has been so incridical.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
It's like art.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Change my life in many different ways. And also I
will say save my life many times, you know. So
I feel like if I can do something to do
the same for anyone else out there, that that's that's
enough for me. And you know, we we as you know,
we Catalina and I, I mean we are from Columbia.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
We live in Managin.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
We grow up here. We we I mean, yeah, we
learn life in the city and this country and we
love Columbia so much. But at the same time, it
does do it It matters a lot, you know, of course,
So I think, yeah, we just feel connected with with
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what we do and the in my case, through music,
I just get connected with all social reality of this
country and uh and then since you know, nineteen ninety nine,
I just have a different view of what my country
is and what life it is. So it's always important
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just to connect with people through through art and with music.
And if for me it's not just about recording a
song or making a concert, you go forward than that.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Well for both of you, I'd be curious to get
your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
But you know, it's so interesting because you talk look globally,
you talk about your country, but globally there's so much
going on around the world, and art has always been
such an escape and it's a place for people to
go and think about it.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
For both of you, what was the music.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
When you were younger that helped you escape? And now
talk about being able to give that back to kids.
Because wherever you are, whether you're being bullied, whether you
know you're under threat of war.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
You know, there's music that allows you to kind of
just step out of your head for a minute and
you know, get away for a second.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah. I remember when I was thirteen years old, probably
you know, always was music, you know, since I was
a kid, because my family, they used to play guitar
and sing songs, you know, for folk music. But I remember,
you know, like a very clear image in my in
my in my mind, when I when I learned when
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I learned about Metallica, for example, you know, when I
learned about metal music, because at that time, you know,
managing was probably the most difficult moment. And and just
I just found through metal music too, like bands like
metallicas Layers, I just found some energy and extra inspiration.
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For me, it was like my way to escape from
that reality and just also to find my own identity
through the sound, even if I couldn't understand that the words,
But for me, it was the energy that that this
music gave it to me, you know. And then also
in my deepest side of my soul, you know, when
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I was a little kid, just sitting in my living
room by myself, playing guitar and singing songs, from you know,
from Colombia and folk or Argentina and folk, you know.
But I definitely found through rock music that that you know, medicine. Yeah,
I don't, Catalina if you have a different story, of course,
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but that was mine.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Yeah, I'm not a musician. I'm an entrepreneur, which I
think is a great theme that we make together because
Juan Is, through his music and his vision and his
creativity has inspired many of us. And we've been working
for nineteen years now to unlock young people's potential to
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contribute to more peaceful and including societies. And of course
music is part of this, but we see we don't
We don't train people to become musicians. I want to
be clear about that. It's a fundamental part of our
approach and our methodologies. But what we do is to
empower young people with the skills, tools and connections for
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them to become active agents of change. And we've reached
already directly more than one hundred and sixty seven thousand
young kids in the country who are creating incredible solutions
to shared problems. For instance, we have a boy who
belonged to an armed gang who decided after going through
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our processes to create a hip hop school to protect
other children from the risks on the streets. But we
have a lady Bruselena in the Chaco region, the poorest
region in the country, who created our Robotic Community school
for girls to have opportunities and to have a sense
of belonging. What we do is also creating spaces to
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channel the energy that you have, excuse me, as a
young person, to be able to create and to put
it in service of something good, of something positive for
the community, and something greater than themselves. We have hundreds
of examples like that, actually thousands, and through that effort
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we've reached more than two million people in Colombia.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
And it's interesting though because when you talk about being
a social and social entrepreneur and agents of change, and
one is can attest to this. Of course, whether it's
training people to being musicians or not, music and any
kind of art is so important because creativity allows you
to think. It teaches you to think, so whether it's
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you know, as a painter, a writer, whatever, it allows
you to do that.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
So it's interesting to talk about how music ties in
with that.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, you know, Actually, one of the reasons why.
I also, I mean, I feel honored to be here
and this Play for Change because I know Play for
Change support musicians all around the world, and I think
in general, as a part of art, you know, music,
uh can develop high sensibility in people, you know, So
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I think that's also you know, very very important for
now if you have contact with music since you are
a little kid, and you have the possibility to be
exposed to all these and stimulations you know, from music,
It's just amazing the way we develop our brain when
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we think in music in the very beginning time of
our lives.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
It's interesting. I don't know if you're familiar with the
classical Lang Lang.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I know him. I know him.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, Okay, I had.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
A story with him on his school and I spoke
with him and his administrator and they talk about the
fact that you know, teaching music schools around the world
that we kids go on to music or not.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
What they see is that being.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Exposed to it does inspire creativity. And again that goes
back to what Carolina was saying about just you know,
creating change. It allows you to think like that.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Yeah, and maybe I'll jump in, sorry, one is.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Go ahead, No, no, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
And to jump in sharing a little bit more about
our methodology is where we use art obviously music, but
all the expressions of art to teach critical skills as
you say, creativity, but also empathy. It's so important our
society in the world that we're living. We need empathy
and skills for creative conflict resolutions, assertive communications, also management
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of emotions and stress in a moment like that. And
art is a critical means to do this, and we
use it in our methodologies that have been validated and
evaluated by institutions like Interior, American Development Bank and the
World Bank.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah. I remember once once when we went to a
little town, uh like two or three hours from managing,
and we were talking with a little kid and I
was trying to understand, you know, like the way they
were feeling about their you know, conflict or situation, and
and they don't they just didn't know how to express
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their feelings. And for me that was like shocking, Like
they didn't know how to say I am sad, or
I am happy, or I am missing love from my
parents or something like that, you know, because they grew
up they grow in a very like complicated and surrounding.
So so I think art just gives that opportunity. I mean,
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I think it's so important for people, for people to
express feelings.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Now, before I ask you a couple of music questions,
I do have to ask Carolina because now I'm very
curious by your music growing up, because I'm trying to
picture you rocking out to Sepple to her as well.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Well one as was my idol. No music was in
my life since I was zero years I think because
my mom tells me that it was an important part
even during his her pregnancy, and I took music lessons
all through my life, and I really believe that it's
critical to develop your I don't know if sensitivity is
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a word in English, but your capacity to connect to
the world, to imagine a different future, to yeah, to
connect beyond that transactional way of seeing the world. I
think it's a beautiful means to understand that we're part
of a whole, of a bigger hold, and we're simply
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one little piece in this wholeness.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
So what was the music you listened to though? Was
it supple to her? It wasn't.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
It was more like Silverez and part of it.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah, it's very different. That's why you guys make a
good pair. Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I always, you know, when I think in mathematics and
and and critical thinking related to art and music, I
always go back to Johann Asti and back and and
and and it's always blow my mind, you know how
this guy back in that time was writing these amazing
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pieces of music, like very mathematic oriented and in a
perfection way.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
It always it's always for me incredible. You know when
I study music harmony and I just see how it
works inside the structure of the music, how how perfect
it is like mathematics. Yeah, it is mathematics definitely. And
also if you can go to the nature, you it's
like everywhere, you know, it's just like the universe is
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everywhere in our eyes, in our body, in everywhere. It's
just like perfectly you know, created. So I look sometimes
I look up and I see, I mean, who we are?
Why are we here?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
What is God? Who is God? What is God? You know?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
All that questions? And I think through art I find
some answers all the time, and that makes me feel
like I am I am connected with something greater and bigger.
Than than me and make me feel you know that
I am connected.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Yeah, well that's interesting and different direction than I expected,
but very cool because I've talked about this with so
many people, and I just did a huge feature for
the La Times on John Coltrane and I Love Supreme,
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where I talked to like Flee from the Chili Pepper's
Camasi Washington Common you tip, you know all these different
people about what that means, and there's such an underlying
thing of spirituality and for you, what are the songs,
what are the records where you feel that closest connection
to God and the other thing.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Of course, it's interesting as an artist, so many people
believe the writing comes from channeling.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I was just talking about the session with my atention.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
The Heartbreakers, you know, like you have the antenna up
and the songs come in.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
So for you, have there been those moments as an artist? Yeah, definitely,
you know, you know, like I don't know who the
hell wrote that. It wasn't me, but I'm glad to
be the vessel for it.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah. Yeah, I still I still you know, I still
don't know. I still don't know how I make music.
You know, I know the theory I know how to
play the guitar, I know the quotes. But then when
I am writing my music, when I am yeah, it's
just like inspiration that I'm somewhere else. It's like I
am a channel definitely, and something come to my mind
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and I am most of the time like yeah, like
most of the time I am improvising and I am
recording my improvisations and then I listen to back and
I say, oh, this is really cool. I like this.
So I take that little piece and that came from
an inspiration, and I tried to develop, yeah, like with
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more you know thinking, you know, like Okay, I know
this chord, so I can go to that core, I
can use the hard money here, I can bring this
element that element, and then what I think in the
music and the lyrics.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
It's also that, you know, it's like like it's less.
It's like when you are with someone and you want
to say something to that person and you don't know
even why you want to say something. Could you feel it?
You have to say something. There is something that you
are feeling and you have to just share that with anyone.
But definitely something that I find more spiritual, definitely for
me us is spiritual. Yeah, you have to you have
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to be in a in a in a particular mood
to improvise blues or jazz or even if you know
the scales and the course and the maps and anything,
you have to feel. You have to have a feeling
just to do it, you know. And and and for me,
that that is the energy that that comes from from
something bigger than us. And that's also the reason why
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we connect, because we are the capability to be to
feel what maybe other person is feeling, the painful another
person like you can be for a moment your consciousness
is open and beer to understand that somebody, somebody else
is feeling something or need something else, and then you
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care about that person, you care about you know, the country,
you care about this or that. So so I think
that that kind of sensibility, oh coma And that's something
that the art can give you, you know. And that's
the way I feel it.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Yeah, it's so interesting because I was talking about it
when I was doing the culture and story with both
Flee and Saint Vincent, and they're talking about and Slash
is also a friend. I was talking with him about
this and the freedom you get when you're playing, when
you get in the zone.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Do you get that on stage as well?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Sometimes they feel they get it even more in playing
than they do in writing, when you're just on stage
and you lose yourself completely. And I was just gonna
say it, Catalen's interesting too, because that can apply in
thinking as well, in all forms of social change. You
get in that moment where you just one you're most
successful is when you get out.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Of your way, get out of your head and just
go free.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, yeah, totally, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Actually, you know when I go to the stage, even
if I practice every day and I rehearsed with my
band and whatever, you know, when I am on stage
performing it's like like if I am in a pilot mode.
It's like something else, you know, It's like it's not me.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
It's crazy. You know.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
When I'm improvising at home by myself with a backing
track with some friend, it's the same. Like I can
spend hours playing I'm not thinking, I'm just feeling, just
going to a very beautiful place. Also when I like
to paint a lot, and I and used before I
used to like watch movies or whatever. But now when
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I go on a plane or mostly every day. I
just found find that when I'm painting, I just can
get lost and just have my mind in like silence,
total silence, and I really love that power that music
or painting give it to me. Kata, you can give
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your samples as well.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
I fully resonate with what you say, and I wish
it was by playing an instrument, but I feel it
like I totally enter when I get like into flow,
It's like I think it's very much connected.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
With your purpose.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
If you're really connected from your heart, with you, with
what you believe and with your care and what you
want to do in your life, it's easy to enter
into that flow and feel like the universe is helping
you and things just evolve. And I think that's how
miss Angre has been created, really and the one is
and I have found many moments of lucidity or clarity
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and flow because we believe in what we're doing and
we believe that we bring different capacities to make this happen.
And this is part of what we invite our our participants,
our beneficiaries to explore their purpose and their ways to
connect with that and to be able to enter these
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moments of flows to create something bigger.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I want to share with UCI a little. This is
what I do. I mean, I can show you, like
you see.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Very cool. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Have like many you know, like many many. I have
many many that I really love to is yeah, I
have like yeah, Chalion, I love it.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
All right. So we're gonna wrap up in a few minutes.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
And before we go, a couple of things because one
of the things about planning for change and what we're
talking about with your organization as well, is it creates
that ability to dream. So for you, when you were
a kid listening with Chalica, did you ever think that
you would be fucking friends with Chalica and Lars Alrek
would be like a surprise.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
For no man, I never I never thought that that
was something like that was going to happen to me.
This is that's the most beautiful thing that that really
I really feel like music having bring me to the
people I used to admire so much, and and and
music just gave me the more opportunity, the most beautiful
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opportunity to realize myself, you know, my dream, you know,
just to be somebody in this universe. And I I
feel very thanksful with music just because because of that,
it has something amazing, you know. I remember, no, no,
I remember the first time I went to Los Angeles
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and back in ninety six and I went to Guitar
Center and I was almost like crying.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
It's like I couldn't believe that place was real. And
and I and I get there and I saw all
these guitars, you know, phone hang on the wall and
and I it was like this is this is not real?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
And then twenty five years later I had I received
a call from Billy Seagull from Fender and say, hey, man,
would like to have your signature guitar? Who want to
signature guitar? And it's like this is things like you said,
like now I can text me with the text with
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large sulik and say like, I mean, this guy was
in my waw when I was thirteen. He was my idol,
and now I can talk to him directly and I say,
it's just amazing, man, And they inspired me so much.
They helped me so much at that moment, and I
feel like I hire him doing also the same for
many other people probably that listened to my music or
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listen to a word to my shows and said I
want to be like him, and the way the same way.
I was here in Colombia when Carlos Vidius came to
perform to managing and I went to his show. I
saw him on stage, and I say, I want to
be like him, you know, And and I think that's
the beauty of art and inspiration that comes from another
people another musicians and artists that just give you some energy,
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like yeah, transform your life forever. Well.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Look, I love the guys in Metallica. They're all cool guys.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Oh man, I love them so much.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
But when you talk about inspiration, there is no one
in this world bigger than Bob Marley. A start that
ever was because everybody in this world Bob Marley is
to talk about being honored with his family.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
And what the hell that means. Oh man, he's Bob Marley.
Everybody just oh my god.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have no idea. I in my studio,
in my studio, I just have like three pictures. I
have one Bob Marley picture. He's playing a guitar with
one one string missing and it's like a very famous
and then I have another picture of the Beatles, and
then and then I have like a little sculpture of
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my of my kids. But yeah, from me, Bob Marley
is something that I can even explain. It's amazing, you know.
I just the feeling I have when I listen to
his music and the way that music has been for many,
many years transforming. Now my kids listen to Bon Marli.
I had the opportunity to meet singing Mali in Mexico
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and we performed together and I was just beautiful, you know.
So I'm very honored to be with them in this
in this event as well. Yeah, I love Omali so much.
It's like I feel it like he's part of my life,
Like if I know him, you know, it's like it's
like he's my brother, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
It's strange. Yeah, Well, essentially I've been seeing many times.
Awesome guy. I'm actually Interviewingdella my time.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
So obvious questions and I usually hate to ask you
obvious questions, But if you're playing a Bob Marley song
with the Marley's, what's the one you want to do?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Oh my god? Well, I actually I record uh Marley's
song and my cover album I Love Let Me See
Get Up, Stand Up, Stand Up?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
FA You're right.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Maybe for example, or Cucu be La and Bella. I
record that one. I have a version of that one.
I love Bot Marley many songs.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah, I always love It's funny because I I hosted
a podcast here in America for a while called People
Have the Power, named after the Patty Swith song, where
I talk to people like Shepherd Ferry, John Danismore, you
know the chicks run the Jewels, huge people.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
That their favorite protest song of all time. And I
think when you're doing an All Star, you know, benefit concert,
for me, the best song to end with this redemption song?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Oh yeah, I used to I used to sing that
song when I was in my in my school, like
back you know, thirty years ago. I mean I didn't
speak out were in English man, so I was just
singing by by phonetically, like I said, don't oh by ate,
just say Rabbi.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I didn't know what I was saying.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
And then when I discovered and then understood the meaning,
it's like, oh this is beautiful man. Yeah No, that's
another song that I really really loved, Maria, and.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
I think that's a great song to wrap up with
on this because again that's the song talks about creativity
and thinking and yeah, thinking, and that's what you guys
are talking about. And you know, essentially obviously the program
is in Columbia because it's so.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Important to you. But you know, like I E.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Mentioned with Lang Lang, they've taken the program around the world.
Are there opportunities to do this other places? Are there
things that you want to do to expand because let's
be music education is a global priority because again it
inspires creativity thinking.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Sure, definitely.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Actually, we have already transferred some of our methodologies to
in South Africa, to an organization in South Africa who's
implementing it. We've done some projects in Guatemala, and we're
looking for possibilities to find partners in other Latin American
countries and why not in the US to expand our programs.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
And I want to make sure that it's clear that
we don't teach music. It's it's it's.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Again yes, yeah, and leadership programs for them to become
agents of change and we support them in the creation
of those change initiatives.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Well, was there anything you guys want to add that
and ask you about wants? I know you're on tour
seen you're actually hitting the hollow Ball a couple of months.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, man, I hope you get you can and go
and see us perform. We're gonna we're gonna have a
we're gonna have a special show that night. We're gonna
bring David Campbell and we're gonna do some songs with
the orchestra, and so it's gonna beautiful.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
And I was also wanted to mention something when you
mentioned it's funny how live and music just go like
a circle, perfect perfect circle. I am having working in
a like in a metal project for years, like I
have like a B side of something very artistic oriented,
but finally I get connected with Pablo Paolo from Sepultula,
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the bass player, so he's gonna be recording some bass
in this project. So it's like something cool. So I
hope I can reach large Soup.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Yo maybe a lot very briefly something that we didn't
talk about, but I really admired one and I think
that's part of the reason why he's receiving this award,
and it's how he shifts part narratives who through his songs.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
I think no one could understand Colombia's history without losing
without listening to Juan's music, and I think Latin America's
reality is like the way he talks about changing hate
for love, the way he has made visible critical issues
like landmine victims or internally displaced people in Colombia, Like
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he really touches hearts and transforms reality through his lyrics,
and I think that's another important dimension when he's a
real important agent of change.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
M boh well, I thank you guys both for your songs.
Fastin take a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Thank you my friend.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Thanks, I'm with you, guys.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Ye
Hey, this is Steve Balton. Welcome to in service of
this week. I'm joined by both Wannis, the Colombian superstar,
and Catalina coc Duquet, the co chair of his foundation.
We have a very special conversation on giving back, but
oh so much more. As Wanna is said to be
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honored this weekend in Miami by Playing for Change. I
spoke with him in Catalina about their foundation, as well
as his friendship in Metallica, his fandom for Bob Marley,
being raised in Colombia, the early impact music had on him,
the importance of music education, so much more. This is
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a really profound and thoughtful conversation, so I hope you
enjoyed it as much as I did.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Well, first off, thank you both for being here this morning.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
You know, it's interesting where we were just talking before
about the fires in la and everything you can do
to give back, and of course you know we've got
together because you're being honored by Playing for Change. And
that's very interesting because I've talked to a lot of
artists and executives who are friends of mine, who you
know sometimes they're hesitant to be honored because you know,
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they don't necessarily want to put the spotlight on them
or you know whatever. But they all say agree if
it's for a worthy enough cause, they're happy to do it.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So why for you was playing for Change so important?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I mean, obviously it's a great charity and they promote
music education around the world.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Talk about what it means to you.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
It's funny that you said that. Do you mention that?
Because I was talking with Catalina just like can I
want to go? Probably, and I was trying to explain her,
you know, the way I feel it Sometimes I feel
kind of uncomfortable, you know, but at the same time
I feel okay. So if this is a good opportunity
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to share with the with the audience, I mean with
people like for example, and we're doing fum Nasser, then
I will, I will, I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Will do it.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
But it's also I mean it's uncomfortable a little bit. Yeah,
So I feel, yeah, very honored. Of course in Catarina too.
You know, we're having working with Funa miss Anger since
I don't know, sixteen years maybe, and every time it's
getting let's say complicated, you know, but but we we
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we really believe in what we do, and so these opportunities,
of course, are incredible for us. I think, Yeah, almost
nineteen years now, there's a lot of time.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah, you know, it's really interesting.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
The podcast that I do is called in Service Up
and you know for Cataline as well, it's about giving
back and it started with a couple of years ago.
You know, I've just done this forever and now everyone
And Alice Cooper said something so interesting to me. He
said at an event, he goes fame is the brand
that allows you to do good. And it's like, what
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good is having your fame if you can't bring attention
to something like Change, which raises money for global music education,
which as we know, has been gutted around the world.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, man, that's right.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
And you know, my personal experience and with with music
and with art has been so incridical.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
It's like art.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Change my life in many different ways. And also I
will say save my life many times, you know. So
I feel like if I can do something to do
the same for anyone else out there, that that's that's
enough for me. And you know, we we as you know,
we Catalina and I, I mean we are from Columbia.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
We live in Managin.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
We grow up here. We we I mean, yeah, we
learn life in the city and this country and we
love Columbia so much. But at the same time, it
does do it It matters a lot, you know, of course,
So I think, yeah, we just feel connected with with
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what we do and the in my case, through music,
I just get connected with all social reality of this
country and uh and then since you know, nineteen ninety nine,
I just have a different view of what my country
is and what life it is. So it's always important
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just to connect with people through through art and with music.
And if for me it's not just about recording a
song or making a concert, you go forward than that.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Well for both of you, I'd be curious to get
your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
But you know, it's so interesting because you talk look globally,
you talk about your country, but globally there's so much
going on around the world, and art has always been
such an escape and it's a place for people to
go and think about it.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
For both of you, what was the music.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
When you were younger that helped you escape? And now
talk about being able to give that back to kids.
Because wherever you are, whether you're being bullied, whether you
know you're under threat of war.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
You know, there's music that allows you to kind of
just step out of your head for a minute and
you know, get away for a second.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah. I remember when I was thirteen years old, probably
you know, always was music, you know, since I was
a kid, because my family, they used to play guitar
and sing songs, you know, for folk music. But I remember,
you know, like a very clear image in my in
my in my mind, when I when I learned when
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I learned about Metallica, for example, you know, when I
learned about metal music, because at that time, you know,
managing was probably the most difficult moment. And and just
I just found through metal music too, like bands like
metallicas Layers, I just found some energy and extra inspiration.
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For me, it was like my way to escape from
that reality and just also to find my own identity
through the sound, even if I couldn't understand that the words,
But for me, it was the energy that that this
music gave it to me, you know. And then also
in my deepest side of my soul, you know, when
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I was a little kid, just sitting in my living
room by myself, playing guitar and singing songs, from you know,
from Colombia and folk or Argentina and folk, you know.
But I definitely found through rock music that that you know, medicine. Yeah,
I don't, Catalina if you have a different story, of course,
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but that was mine.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Yeah, I'm not a musician. I'm an entrepreneur, which I
think is a great theme that we make together because
Juan Is, through his music and his vision and his
creativity has inspired many of us. And we've been working
for nineteen years now to unlock young people's potential to
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contribute to more peaceful and including societies. And of course
music is part of this, but we see we don't
We don't train people to become musicians. I want to
be clear about that. It's a fundamental part of our
approach and our methodologies. But what we do is to
empower young people with the skills, tools and connections for
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them to become active agents of change. And we've reached
already directly more than one hundred and sixty seven thousand
young kids in the country who are creating incredible solutions
to shared problems. For instance, we have a boy who
belonged to an armed gang who decided after going through
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our processes to create a hip hop school to protect
other children from the risks on the streets. But we
have a lady Bruselena in the Chaco region, the poorest
region in the country, who created our Robotic Community school
for girls to have opportunities and to have a sense
of belonging. What we do is also creating spaces to
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channel the energy that you have, excuse me, as a
young person, to be able to create and to put
it in service of something good, of something positive for
the community, and something greater than themselves. We have hundreds
of examples like that, actually thousands, and through that effort
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we've reached more than two million people in Colombia.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
And it's interesting though because when you talk about being
a social and social entrepreneur and agents of change, and
one is can attest to this. Of course, whether it's
training people to being musicians or not, music and any
kind of art is so important because creativity allows you
to think. It teaches you to think, so whether it's
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you know, as a painter, a writer, whatever, it allows
you to do that.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
So it's interesting to talk about how music ties in
with that.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, you know, Actually, one of the reasons why.
I also, I mean, I feel honored to be here
and this Play for Change because I know Play for
Change support musicians all around the world, and I think
in general, as a part of art, you know, music,
uh can develop high sensibility in people, you know, So
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I think that's also you know, very very important for
now if you have contact with music since you are
a little kid, and you have the possibility to be
exposed to all these and stimulations you know, from music,
It's just amazing the way we develop our brain when
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we think in music in the very beginning time of
our lives.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
It's interesting. I don't know if you're familiar with the
classical Lang Lang.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I know him. I know him.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, Okay, I had.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
A story with him on his school and I spoke
with him and his administrator and they talk about the
fact that you know, teaching music schools around the world
that we kids go on to music or not.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
What they see is that being.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Exposed to it does inspire creativity. And again that goes
back to what Carolina was saying about just you know,
creating change. It allows you to think like that.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Yeah, and maybe I'll jump in, sorry, one is.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Go ahead, No, no, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
And to jump in sharing a little bit more about
our methodology is where we use art obviously music, but
all the expressions of art to teach critical skills as
you say, creativity, but also empathy. It's so important our
society in the world that we're living. We need empathy
and skills for creative conflict resolutions, assertive communications, also management
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of emotions and stress in a moment like that. And
art is a critical means to do this, and we
use it in our methodologies that have been validated and
evaluated by institutions like Interior, American Development Bank and the
World Bank.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah. I remember once once when we went to a
little town, uh like two or three hours from managing,
and we were talking with a little kid and I
was trying to understand, you know, like the way they
were feeling about their you know, conflict or situation, and
and they don't they just didn't know how to express
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their feelings. And for me that was like shocking, Like
they didn't know how to say I am sad, or
I am happy, or I am missing love from my
parents or something like that, you know, because they grew
up they grow in a very like complicated and surrounding.
So so I think art just gives that opportunity. I mean,
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I think it's so important for people, for people to
express feelings.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Now, before I ask you a couple of music questions,
I do have to ask Carolina because now I'm very
curious by your music growing up, because I'm trying to
picture you rocking out to Sepple to her as well.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Well one as was my idol. No music was in
my life since I was zero years I think because
my mom tells me that it was an important part
even during his her pregnancy, and I took music lessons
all through my life, and I really believe that it's
critical to develop your I don't know if sensitivity is
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a word in English, but your capacity to connect to
the world, to imagine a different future, to yeah, to
connect beyond that transactional way of seeing the world. I
think it's a beautiful means to understand that we're part
of a whole, of a bigger hold, and we're simply
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one little piece in this wholeness.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
So what was the music you listened to though? Was
it supple to her? It wasn't.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
It was more like Silverez and part of it.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah, it's very different. That's why you guys make a
good pair. Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I always, you know, when I think in mathematics and
and and critical thinking related to art and music, I
always go back to Johann Asti and back and and
and and it's always blow my mind, you know how
this guy back in that time was writing these amazing
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pieces of music, like very mathematic oriented and in a
perfection way.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
It always it's always for me incredible. You know when
I study music harmony and I just see how it
works inside the structure of the music, how how perfect
it is like mathematics. Yeah, it is mathematics definitely. And
also if you can go to the nature, you it's
like everywhere, you know, it's just like the universe is
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everywhere in our eyes, in our body, in everywhere. It's
just like perfectly you know, created. So I look sometimes
I look up and I see, I mean, who we are?
Why are we here?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
What is God? Who is God? What is God? You know?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
All that questions? And I think through art I find
some answers all the time, and that makes me feel
like I am I am connected with something greater and bigger.
Than than me and make me feel you know that
I am connected.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Yeah, well that's interesting and different direction than I expected,
but very cool because I've talked about this with so
many people, and I just did a huge feature for
the La Times on John Coltrane and I Love Supreme,
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where I talked to like Flee from the Chili Pepper's
Camasi Washington Common you tip, you know all these different
people about what that means, and there's such an underlying
thing of spirituality and for you, what are the songs,
what are the records where you feel that closest connection
to God and the other thing.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Of course, it's interesting as an artist, so many people
believe the writing comes from channeling.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I was just talking about the session with my atention.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
The Heartbreakers, you know, like you have the antenna up
and the songs come in.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
So for you, have there been those moments as an artist? Yeah, definitely,
you know, you know, like I don't know who the
hell wrote that. It wasn't me, but I'm glad to
be the vessel for it.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah. Yeah, I still I still you know, I still
don't know. I still don't know how I make music.
You know, I know the theory I know how to
play the guitar, I know the quotes. But then when
I am writing my music, when I am yeah, it's
just like inspiration that I'm somewhere else. It's like I
am a channel definitely, and something come to my mind
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and I am most of the time like yeah, like
most of the time I am improvising and I am
recording my improvisations and then I listen to back and
I say, oh, this is really cool. I like this.
So I take that little piece and that came from
an inspiration, and I tried to develop, yeah, like with
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more you know thinking, you know, like Okay, I know
this chord, so I can go to that core, I
can use the hard money here, I can bring this
element that element, and then what I think in the
music and the lyrics.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
It's also that, you know, it's like like it's less.
It's like when you are with someone and you want
to say something to that person and you don't know
even why you want to say something. Could you feel it?
You have to say something. There is something that you
are feeling and you have to just share that with anyone.
But definitely something that I find more spiritual, definitely for
me us is spiritual. Yeah, you have to you have
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to be in a in a in a particular mood
to improvise blues or jazz or even if you know
the scales and the course and the maps and anything,
you have to feel. You have to have a feeling
just to do it, you know. And and and for me,
that that is the energy that that comes from from
something bigger than us. And that's also the reason why
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we connect, because we are the capability to be to
feel what maybe other person is feeling, the painful another
person like you can be for a moment your consciousness
is open and beer to understand that somebody, somebody else
is feeling something or need something else, and then you
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care about that person, you care about you know, the country,
you care about this or that. So so I think
that that kind of sensibility, oh coma And that's something
that the art can give you, you know. And that's
the way I feel it.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Yeah, it's so interesting because I was talking about it
when I was doing the culture and story with both
Flee and Saint Vincent, and they're talking about and Slash
is also a friend. I was talking with him about
this and the freedom you get when you're playing, when
you get in the zone.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Do you get that on stage as well?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Sometimes they feel they get it even more in playing
than they do in writing, when you're just on stage
and you lose yourself completely. And I was just gonna
say it, Catalen's interesting too, because that can apply in
thinking as well, in all forms of social change. You
get in that moment where you just one you're most
successful is when you get out.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Of your way, get out of your head and just
go free.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, yeah, totally, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Actually, you know when I go to the stage, even
if I practice every day and I rehearsed with my
band and whatever, you know, when I am on stage
performing it's like like if I am in a pilot mode.
It's like something else, you know, It's like it's not me.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
It's crazy. You know.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
When I'm improvising at home by myself with a backing
track with some friend, it's the same. Like I can
spend hours playing I'm not thinking, I'm just feeling, just
going to a very beautiful place. Also when I like
to paint a lot, and I and used before I
used to like watch movies or whatever. But now when
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I go on a plane or mostly every day. I
just found find that when I'm painting, I just can
get lost and just have my mind in like silence,
total silence, and I really love that power that music
or painting give it to me. Kata, you can give
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your samples as well.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
I fully resonate with what you say, and I wish
it was by playing an instrument, but I feel it
like I totally enter when I get like into flow,
It's like I think it's very much connected.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
With your purpose.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
If you're really connected from your heart, with you, with
what you believe and with your care and what you
want to do in your life, it's easy to enter
into that flow and feel like the universe is helping
you and things just evolve. And I think that's how
miss Angre has been created, really and the one is
and I have found many moments of lucidity or clarity
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and flow because we believe in what we're doing and
we believe that we bring different capacities to make this happen.
And this is part of what we invite our our participants,
our beneficiaries to explore their purpose and their ways to
connect with that and to be able to enter these
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moments of flows to create something bigger.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I want to share with UCI a little. This is
what I do. I mean, I can show you, like
you see.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Very cool. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Have like many you know, like many many. I have
many many that I really love to is yeah, I
have like yeah, Chalion, I love it.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
All right. So we're gonna wrap up in a few minutes.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
And before we go, a couple of things because one
of the things about planning for change and what we're
talking about with your organization as well, is it creates
that ability to dream. So for you, when you were
a kid listening with Chalica, did you ever think that
you would be fucking friends with Chalica and Lars Alrek
would be like a surprise.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
For no man, I never I never thought that that
was something like that was going to happen to me.
This is that's the most beautiful thing that that really
I really feel like music having bring me to the
people I used to admire so much, and and and
music just gave me the more opportunity, the most beautiful
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opportunity to realize myself, you know, my dream, you know,
just to be somebody in this universe. And I I
feel very thanksful with music just because because of that,
it has something amazing, you know. I remember, no, no,
I remember the first time I went to Los Angeles
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and back in ninety six and I went to Guitar
Center and I was almost like crying.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
It's like I couldn't believe that place was real. And
and I and I get there and I saw all
these guitars, you know, phone hang on the wall and
and I it was like this is this is not real?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
And then twenty five years later I had I received
a call from Billy Seagull from Fender and say, hey, man,
would like to have your signature guitar? Who want to
signature guitar? And it's like this is things like you said,
like now I can text me with the text with
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large sulik and say like, I mean, this guy was
in my waw when I was thirteen. He was my idol,
and now I can talk to him directly and I say,
it's just amazing, man, And they inspired me so much.
They helped me so much at that moment, and I
feel like I hire him doing also the same for
many other people probably that listened to my music or
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listen to a word to my shows and said I
want to be like him, and the way the same way.
I was here in Colombia when Carlos Vidius came to
perform to managing and I went to his show. I
saw him on stage, and I say, I want to
be like him, you know, And and I think that's
the beauty of art and inspiration that comes from another
people another musicians and artists that just give you some energy,
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like yeah, transform your life forever. Well.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Look, I love the guys in Metallica. They're all cool guys.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Oh man, I love them so much.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
But when you talk about inspiration, there is no one
in this world bigger than Bob Marley. A start that
ever was because everybody in this world Bob Marley is
to talk about being honored with his family.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
And what the hell that means. Oh man, he's Bob Marley.
Everybody just oh my god.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have no idea. I in my studio,
in my studio, I just have like three pictures. I
have one Bob Marley picture. He's playing a guitar with
one one string missing and it's like a very famous
and then I have another picture of the Beatles, and
then and then I have like a little sculpture of
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my of my kids. But yeah, from me, Bob Marley
is something that I can even explain. It's amazing, you know.
I just the feeling I have when I listen to
his music and the way that music has been for many,
many years transforming. Now my kids listen to Bon Marli.
I had the opportunity to meet singing Mali in Mexico
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and we performed together and I was just beautiful, you know.
So I'm very honored to be with them in this
in this event as well. Yeah, I love Omali so much.
It's like I feel it like he's part of my life,
Like if I know him, you know, it's like it's
like he's my brother, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
It's strange. Yeah, Well, essentially I've been seeing many times.
Awesome guy. I'm actually Interviewingdella my time.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
So obvious questions and I usually hate to ask you
obvious questions, But if you're playing a Bob Marley song
with the Marley's, what's the one you want to do?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Oh my god? Well, I actually I record uh Marley's
song and my cover album I Love Let Me See
Get Up, Stand Up, Stand Up?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
FA You're right.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Maybe for example, or Cucu be La and Bella. I
record that one. I have a version of that one.
I love Bot Marley many songs.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah, I always love It's funny because I I hosted
a podcast here in America for a while called People
Have the Power, named after the Patty Swith song, where
I talk to people like Shepherd Ferry, John Danismore, you
know the chicks run the Jewels, huge people.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
That their favorite protest song of all time. And I
think when you're doing an All Star, you know, benefit concert,
for me, the best song to end with this redemption song?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Oh yeah, I used to I used to sing that
song when I was in my in my school, like
back you know, thirty years ago. I mean I didn't
speak out were in English man, so I was just
singing by by phonetically, like I said, don't oh by ate,
just say Rabbi.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I didn't know what I was saying.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
And then when I discovered and then understood the meaning,
it's like, oh this is beautiful man. Yeah No, that's
another song that I really really loved, Maria, and.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
I think that's a great song to wrap up with
on this because again that's the song talks about creativity
and thinking and yeah, thinking, and that's what you guys
are talking about. And you know, essentially obviously the program
is in Columbia because it's so.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Important to you. But you know, like I E.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Mentioned with Lang Lang, they've taken the program around the world.
Are there opportunities to do this other places? Are there
things that you want to do to expand because let's
be music education is a global priority because again it
inspires creativity thinking.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Sure, definitely.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Actually, we have already transferred some of our methodologies to
in South Africa, to an organization in South Africa who's
implementing it. We've done some projects in Guatemala, and we're
looking for possibilities to find partners in other Latin American
countries and why not in the US to expand our programs.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
And I want to make sure that it's clear that
we don't teach music. It's it's it's.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Again yes, yeah, and leadership programs for them to become
agents of change and we support them in the creation
of those change initiatives.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Well, was there anything you guys want to add that
and ask you about wants? I know you're on tour
seen you're actually hitting the hollow Ball a couple of months.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, man, I hope you get you can and go
and see us perform. We're gonna we're gonna have a
we're gonna have a special show that night. We're gonna
bring David Campbell and we're gonna do some songs with
the orchestra, and so it's gonna beautiful.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
And I was also wanted to mention something when you
mentioned it's funny how live and music just go like
a circle, perfect perfect circle. I am having working in
a like in a metal project for years, like I
have like a B side of something very artistic oriented,
but finally I get connected with Pablo Paolo from Sepultula,
(30:34):
the bass player, so he's gonna be recording some bass
in this project. So it's like something cool. So I
hope I can reach large Soup.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Yo maybe a lot very briefly something that we didn't
talk about, but I really admired one and I think
that's part of the reason why he's receiving this award,
and it's how he shifts part narratives who through his songs.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
I think no one could understand Colombia's history without losing
without listening to Juan's music, and I think Latin America's
reality is like the way he talks about changing hate
for love, the way he has made visible critical issues
like landmine victims or internally displaced people in Colombia, Like
(31:26):
he really touches hearts and transforms reality through his lyrics,
and I think that's another important dimension when he's a
real important agent of change.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
M boh well, I thank you guys both for your songs.
Fastin take a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Thank you my friend.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Thanks, I'm with you, guys.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Ye
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