December 18, 2024 • 67 mins
On this week's episode co-host Steve Baltin talks with musician/actress Kate Hudson about her lifelong relationship with music, what prompted her to start writing songs, musical dreams and she delightfully answers some questions provided by mutual friend and recent guest Cameron Crowe. You cannot miss this episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey, this is Steve Balton. This week on in service
of I will be talking with Kate Hudson. This was
one of my favorite interviews of the year. Unfortunately Stage
was not able to join us as she was on
tour that day. But Kate and I have a lot
of mutual friends, as you will hear, and so talking
to her was like talking to an old friend. This
(00:26):
was an incredible conversation, including questions provided by Cameron Crowe.
So I hope you enjoyed this one as much as
we did. It was spectacular. Who Hi, So what Cameron said?
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He told me? He told you about me as well.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
That's right, because we were doing I wanted you mean
Cameron Cameron.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Crowe of course, yeah, because I wanted.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Him to do the to moderate the.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
My Grammy Night, Museum Night and and but he had
to go he's doing this thing with Joni Mitchell and
he went to the he had to go to the bowl,
so he couldn't do it. But yeah, he was. He
spoke so highly of you.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, Cameron is the greatest. But it's funny because also
Heather Perry said the slo HP Yeah, well it's funny
because I forgot that you know, I've known her for
years too. And then I saw her a post about
your benefit last week or your mom's benefit, and so
I asked her about it, and yeah, I still look
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at you. I HA. Was a lot of fun doing
Proud Mary.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It was so much fun, you know, I I I
It's like my mom, you know, my mom was like,
will you sing at the event? And I was like,
of course, but I didn't have my band. It was
this big she had this you know, this backing band.
These guys were so awesome and it turns out like
they all this this band that they put together, all
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these great kind of la session musicians who do actually
go out with certain people when they're out, but when
they're not they play all these gigs and they sounded
so amazing and like having horns made me so happy.
Having a horn section is just like dreamy. And when
(02:24):
I heard there was going to be a horn section,
I was like, oh, well we have to do prott Mary,
And yeah it's fun.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I really I'm loving being on stage.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I feel like I'm finding my feet every time, you know,
a little bit more have more strength, I should say,
under my feet performing wise. Every time I get on
stage and I'm just still I'm just really learning.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
It's it's still very new to me.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
You know, well, it's probably a lot of fun as well.
It's funny. I was just interviewing Big Sean the Rap
were on Wednesday, and we were talking about he's playing
best and you know when you're used to have lating
arenos and then you go and you play little crowd,
it's not yours. Most artists really enjoy that because they
enjoy the challenge. Yeah. Sure, for you, you know, you've
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obviously okay, I'm not gonna say you've mastered that. Can
you never master anything? As I always say, if Coltrane
I thought I loved Supream was perfect, there's no reason
for him to go on. So you're always trying to
better yourself. But certainly being on stage is a completely
new and different challenge. And I'm sure it's a lot
of fun.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It's so much fun and I and you're right, It's
like the more I've been really the enjoying the more
challenging performances like really intimate rooms. When when I played
really small rooms where you can hear a pin drop,
I love the I love playing that small intimate room
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because it kind of you hone in on the instrument.
You know, you're as a singer, you know, you really
have to like focus in on the instrument and keep
people's attention, and they're right in front of your face,
and so it's a little bit more nerve wracking, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well, yeah, you're much more vulnerable because you're seeing their response.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, but I love it.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I've been enjoying this different way to connect and you know,
I really love playing the bigger venues. I can't wait
to actually be able to just start being able to
focus on going out on an actual tour and getting
out there more consistently because I just love it. I
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absolutely love it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well, it's really funny because HP, as you say, said
that they've been trying to get you to like make
it out for years. So I will not go to
the obvious of what made this the right time, But
it's funny. I think people like you always have those
subconscious voices in your head. And do you hear your
friends saying making an album, make an album, make an album?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I mean I feel like I've always had also such
support and that in music with even my music friend.
My friends in music always were like I don't get it.
Why aren't you doing this? You know? And you have
to do it at some point. I've always felt very
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like I feel like I've always had a great support
system of people who really wanted me to follow. I
also think they know how much I love it, you know,
And and every time I would sing somewhere, you know,
and I'd get like the courage to get up and sing,
like it always was that thing where you know, everyone
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would just look at me and go like, I don't
get it, Like why isn't this what you do? And
I'd be like, it's so much more complicated than that.
I'd sort of take it as a compliment, but like,
you know, it's hard for me, really.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Hard to take compliments. But but but it's.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Sort of after a while you just really start actually saying, yeah,
why why am I so afraid to put music out there?
You know?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
And uh, but I do feel.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Like I've had incredible support and a lot of that
gave me the confidence to be able to put it
out in the world. You know.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well, it's a really interesting thing though, because it's kind
of like the Wizard of Oz, you know, so there's
that feeling of once you see behind the curtain, you
can't unsee it. So it's interesting because it's something you
always love so much. Was there a little bit of
trepidation as well as like, well again exactly like if
I see behind the curtain, it takes away the mystery,
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like it took me so long to be able to
unlearn writing about a show in my head when I
saw it. And to me, the litmus test of a
great concert now is when I can go and just
get out of my fucking head to forget everything.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, you know the I think I think part of
what's so nice about it happening now, you know, is
that I really really have gotten to a point in
my life where I just want to create from a pure,
a pure place, and like anything else that happens around
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it is lovely if it's positive.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
But really, at the end of the day, is.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Not what's fueling me to make art, whether it be
in acting or in music. Like you know, I think
you get older and you're like, wait, this is what
I feel like I've been put on the earth to
do is to perform, is to act, is to get
on stage, make people happy, connect and connect with people
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and hope that you know it brings some sense of
levity and like you said, like to be able to
disappear into something like that's that's the greatest compliment you
could ever get as an actor or as a performer,
if that's what someone has experiences, you know, And like,
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you get to that point where I think as you
get older, where you sort of no longer it's no
longer the focus is no longer about how others are
seeing you. The focus is really about how you see
what you're creating and putting out in the world. And
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that's what, you know, is what really motivates you. You know.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
So like when it gets to that.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Kind of behind the curtain and like peeking behind the
curtain truth is like I feel like I've I grew
up behind the curtain, you know, and like I grew
up behind the curtain and then I was with Chris
for so long and lived on the road for years,
and you know, I really like when you when you
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peek behind the curtain, like you you better really love
it because it can be it can get really fucked
up and weird, you know, and I don't think people
see that on the outside. And you really have to
love it, and you have to have like a real
strong sense of self and be able to really really
take like profound criticism and judgment and I and you
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have to be able to power through it. And so
for me with music, it was like I had to.
I remember when I was younger and people were like,
why didn't why don't you do this? And I said,
because if I'm such a music is such a huge
part of my life and I love it so much
that I would be I'd feel fraudulent if I didn't
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do it the right way, if I didn't give it
the attention that it deserves. Like I'm not just going
to go into a studio and sing somebody else's songs.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I love singing other people's songs, and I will definitely
do that, But for me, I love to write music.
So it's like I have to do this properly. And
I just wasn't in a place for years of toil
to be able to actually devote and commit my time
(10:27):
to it until COVID, when I was like, oh, we
could die tomorrow, and I have to do it. I
have to make it a priority, because then I just
feel like, you know, if I like got to my deathbed,
I would never know if I left something on the table,
and now that I'm doing it, I feel like I
definitely would have left something enormous. I mean, I just
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got back from singing at the Grand ol Opry, and
I was so emotional because I'm well, first of all,
the last time I was there was Chris Christofferson. Was
there a huge Chris Krosoftferson fan, terrible like loss for
the music community, and just like just it's just so
sad because he was just the best. And I remember
(11:12):
chatting with him backstage at the Rhyme and when it
before it was the operate. I've never been to the
New Opry, but like to sing there was just I
couldn't believe. I was just like, wow, I can't believe
there might have been a possibility of my life that
I would have never been I would have never done this,
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and I made this decision.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And then I'm standing here and.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I feel like all of this incredible musicianship and you know,
I you know all the people who have like graced
that stage, and just I feel so humbled by it.
It's just the greatest. I'm so happy I did it.
It's a long winded answer for what you asked me,
(11:59):
But that's okay.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I always I always say this because people say that
to me all the time, and I always say, i'd
much other, would longer day answer than someone who says
yes or no. And it's so funny because you know,
you can look at Chris and you can say, because
I knew Chris as well and he was eighty eight,
and you can say, yeah, it's amazingly but it's still
it's like, yeah, it's still such an amazing loss. And
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it's interesting though, because what's inspiring about him as well?
It's funny that you say the stuff on the table,
that is the dude who fucking did it all.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
He didn't leave anything on the table, nothing and any
and he led with kindness and heart any and he
was outspoken and so I don't know, he's just he's
he was just the best. He's like every girl's dream,
every guy at least this girl's dream, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
And every guy wanted to be him.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, it just doesn't didn't get any cooler than him
and Rhodes scholar and I just I just think he
you know, he was just wonderful and he you know,
my he'd worked with my dad. He played actually a
Kurt's dad in a movie, and so I've actually gotten
to meet him quite you know, a handful of times,
and he was just always the best, so lovely and
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just a good like and what a life.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I mean, you just.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Gotta do you just gotta do it. I have to say, though,
music is the world energetically, It's just where I feel
most comfort. You know. It's like people used to say,
like where's your happy place? For years, like my piano,
Like if I that's just like I'm just happiest in
around music. It's just and I even even for people
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who don't choose or don't get the opportunity to have
music be their vocation or what you know, pays the bills.
I think that people who are musicians are always musicians,
like where it's where even if they're not a musician
by as a job, you know, and and so like
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there is an energy. I think that there's a camaraderie
when people really understand or have that like connection to music.
I sometimes look at it like there's those who create
it and play it and like know how to make
sound something incredible and beautiful that touches so many people.
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There's those those writers and then there's the fans that
can receive it in a way that is like life
changing for them. You know, people who have that music,
that that connection, because not everybody does. I think it's
the strongest language, but people who really like it, like
it like hits their heart and like it feels it's transcendent.
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You know, it's it's a certain type of person, and
I am happiest with those people. You know.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Has that always been the answer you though? I mean,
because like you said, you kind of grew up buying
the curtain obviously, but you grew up more around film.
But it's interesting. Was music the thing that always spoke
to you the most?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Oh yeah? Oh yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Even in film?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
You know that even even as as as someone who
loves movies, you know, the movies I love the most
were those who utilized music the best. Like for me,
music has been the driving force for me from the beginning.
You know, like where I how I dream, it's through
music and like, but I'm also like my dad's a musician.
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There's is a lot there, you know, which is like
when I was little and I did have moments where
I would see him it was all music, and then
I wouldn't see him for a long time, you know,
and then I'd go back and it was you know,
it was always very music. My my grandfather, my mom's
dad was a professional violinist. There's always music, you know,
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and I was always just singing and playing piano, and
you know, it's just always my strongest connection to the
arts and musical theater. Like I the musical theater was like,
that's all I ever wanted to do. I was singing,
(16:28):
I was thinking about like Christmas songs and and a
lot of people don't know, but like I just really
I released my Christmas Christmas song today and it's have
Yourself a very Little Christmas, and I was I wanted
to do and I actually did record the original lyrics
of it. But I knew that song because of Meet
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Me in Saint Louis. You know, most people don't know
like Meet Me in Saint Louis, all those Judy Garland
musicals were on repeat for me as a little girl,
and so that song, it's such a sad moment in
the in the movie, but that like Judy Garland singing
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have Yourself a Mary Little Christmas is like, you know,
it was like made me want to do that.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
You know, Yeah, it's interesting for you though you mentioned
I want to like, you know, I'll jump around a
little bit, you know. For you you mentioned you can't
wait to go on tour. Who would be the dream
person to tour with just for fun, just that person
you want to watch on the stage every single night.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Oh, that's such a good question. There's a lot of people.
But you know, I was thinking about this the other day.
There's a lot of girls that I love, you know,
I that I and who I admire. I love Lucius,
I think they're so great and they're so talented. And
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Cheryl Crow and Brandy. I love Brandy. She's just awesome.
I'm really wonderful person. I'm kind of obsessed and have
been since the beginning of their musical career with the Lumineers.
I just love those guys. And then when it comes
to like, you know, rock and pop, and I mean
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I honestly like all of them. I really actually like
to tour with my ex I think I was talking
with Matt the other day for Muse and I was like,
wouldn't it would be so fun to be able to
like just have a leg, like a summer leg or
something where we toured together because our families are so close,
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like we do everything together, and it would be so
much fun for everybody. I was like, maybe we should
do something like that, and therefore the kids aren't running
all over the place.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And but easy to make happen though.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Oh gosh, that they're so big. I'll never forget that.
Watching Stade de France, the music at Stade de France
and just being like what it was just it was
just incredible. Oh, it's just unbelievable to watch. Yeah, I
mean there's there's a there's a handful. I love all
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these cute young girls like just taking the stage and
having such success. It's so fun to watch, like Chapel
Rone and you know Sabrine all the pop. You know,
Gracie Abrams, who I remember just being like a little
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girl down the street. It's growing into such an incredible musician.
And I love all these young this younger female generation.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Oh, I agree, And it's funny there's so many talented people.
And you know, I also love the like I'll take
up the new jazz singers and all that. But wait,
I want to clarify ye, like say Brandy, I assume
Brandy Carlisle but I wanted to verify that.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, yeah, Brandy Carlile.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Because there is the R and B singer Brandy that
we don't want to short change.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Also just phenomenal. But she's like she's like nineties. Like
when I was in high school, she was like, Oh,
I mean she was.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
All Brandy Carlisle is amazing. I love her. She's one
of the coolest people. She just announced her Mexico weekend
this morning. You gotta get in there.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
She did.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Oh fun, Yeah, like Shnaia Twain's playing and it's crazy Moona.
You gotta get in there. I'm sure she'd love to
have you in that.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
It's so fun.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah. I love them and they're such good people. Yeah,
And like I said, no, that's the thing, Like I
just I just love spending time with people who really
really really love and live music. It's just the best.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So what our Jory plans for next year? Will you
be able to go out of the road, are you like.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah, I'm working on it.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
We're trying to figure it out, like we're trying to
figure Timing is always hard because of my work and
I have multiples, Like I have a show coming out
and then I have this film that I'm.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Doing, So there's always.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
That's always finding the timing between that and promoting is
always hard. And having I still have kids, you know,
young kids, so it's not easy. But we're gonna look
at the new year, so that'll be exciting.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Is you can literally put out a song every weekend.
You watch this for fun.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I love it. Thank god, it's so much fun. You know.
I really really believed, like I really wanted to and
I will continue to, but have my first album be
very specific and like a full listening experience.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Versus like an EP.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Or a song here and there, just because you only
have one opportunity to make your first album, and and
that was so important. And now I'm now I just
can't wait to get back in the studio. It's like
it's a little bit of a I mean, I write
all the time, and but it really it was the
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first time when I was like I'm going to make
an album. When you go in the studio to make
an album is just a completely different energy and I
love it. And then and then so I can't wait
to like put time aside to actually go in and
make my next record. I'm just already getting excited by that.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Well, it's so interesting man. By the way, you know,
in the in the mutual connections, you wrote most of
this with Linda Perry, who I've known for a billion years.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Linda.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Linda.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Linda was the one who was like she heard me
sing and then she had me come into the studio.
She asked if I wanted to sing the song that
she wrote, and I was like sure, And then she
asked if I wrote music, and I said yes, And
then she's like, well, let's right, you know, let's just
see what happens. And we went in and met Danny
and Linda just sat around and started to write, and
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in two weeks we had like twenty six songs. We
wrote so well together. It was so much fun. And
she was such a huge She got like, I I'm
so grateful to her power because she's one of those
people that just keeps the ball moving all the time, right,
it doesn't stop, like, don't think too much, keep going.
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Like so she would sort of push me. It was
like it was like she opened me up at certain points.
Would normally when I would write that I would kind
of overthink things. She was sort of like propelling me
into not overthinking it and just getting it done. And
I'd never done that before because I'd never collaborated with anybody.
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So it was so much fun. And once I was
able to sort of not question what I was doing
or overthink things, and I was just flow. We just
started to flow and we all wrote really well together.
It was so great. And then.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
And then there's a couple songs.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Then after that process, and you know, we recorded it
and Danny and Johann kind of took everything and started crafting,
you know, really looking at which songs we were going
to really delve into and out of those twenty six
and then and then I took some of my old songs.
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So there was like two or three other songs that
I had written before and I added those in.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
You know, I speak with so many songwriters, but sin
you say she got you to not overthink, you know,
I've spoken. I've been working on this project for a
couple of years with my writing partner and the person
who coasted the podcast with normally, And you know, it's
interesting because songwriting, when you get down to it, it's channeling.
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It's just opening up your antenna and having it in
and when you're with someone like Linda who has done
this for so many years. I mean I looked at
Mike Stoler. Mike Stolar co wrote stand By Me and
jail House Rock. He's nine years old. I was like,
where's the song because I'm from He's like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, out I believe that. I mean, that's what it
feels like, you know, when you like Glorious was like
we wrote that in ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
It was like And I think that if you're open.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I mean, I think a lot of things have to
kind of energetically get in place, you know, for for
people to write you know, good good music, but like
or subjective whatever that you know, whatever that means. But
but I do think that it is a it is channeling,
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you know, and and some people have a stronger, you know,
beam to whatever that is. And then maybe others or
they're more open to it, they're more they have an
ability to be more vulnerable. And and you see it too,
man Like I have seen it with some writers where
I'm just like in awe of you know, I They're
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how prolific they are, Like see a great example like
working with Cia, I mean, she just could come up
with a she just will be like walking around her
house and then hear something and just doodle it in
her phone and you're just like, oh, that was amazing.
Where did that come from?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
You know?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
It clearly just is this, like she just walks around
with this, you know, ability to like channel melody all
the time, and it's always an amazing thing to watch.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I love.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
What I love about working with different people is everyone
really does it's like anything. It's like acting. It's the
same thing. Like everyone really does have a different process,
and and when you get the right collaborators, you can
just it feels like you can just make magic, because
that's kind of what it feels like, just for the
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personal experience, you know, because it just everybody's energies kind
of compliments the other. I think Linda and I worked
really well together because we're both airies, so I understand
her impatience and I'm impatient. So we both like to
move like we like to move through things quickly. So
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we we we when when she didn't like something, she
could say I don't like it, I don't like that,
I could we there was no but this way, there
was no sensitivity. We were able to just really be
very honest with each other and vice versa, you know.
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And so working with her was actually really nice like
that because we had a similar momentum.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Wait, when's your birthday April?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I'm an aries, Well.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
No, in March twenty seventh.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
That's why I asked, Oh, you're a march. You're a march.
Areas are fun. But but but so you understand, like
when you know, it's like that thing when something moves
and you want something to happen. Now, like Linda has
that energy and she's very powerful energetically, so it can
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it can if you don't understand it. It can sometimes
come across, as you know, top for uncaring, but really
Linda is like the most sensitive, the most caring, and
the most but she just likes to move, you know.
And and so it was it was really good for me,
and I'm so grateful to her. She's and she's also
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just such a great songwriter. Oh my god, you know,
and yeah, I love, I loved. We had so much fun.
It was a blast.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
She's awesome. I went to her studio maybe a couple
months ago because I did a story with her on
her things she was doing at the hotel cafe with
that sort of songwriter. You know class she was doing
it would be the best way to put it. Yeah, So,
like I said, we'll jump around, why don't you for
it's more of a podcast question. I've been asking people
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for you talk about the importance of giving back and
how influences your work.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Giving back. I mean, yes, I don't think anyone's ever
asked me this question.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
You know what's so fucking funny? Isn't that crazy question?
And everybody from Melissa vwis pj RVY is like, wow,
no one's ever asked me about that. But it was
Alice Cooper. I love Alice, I've done Alice forever. He said.
The most interesting thing to me, he said, fame is
the brand that allows you to do good. I always
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loved that quote. And the best in this year, in
election year, all of that is so important. It's so critical,
and they're so much lack of hope. Yeah, interesting because
giving back doesn't just mean philanthropy. It's like, for example,
in the first year and a half that Trump was president, right,
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I asked every musician how that affected them writing under
this regime. And it was very interesting because even someone
like Blondie was saying, look, we don't make political music,
but not making political music in this time is a
statement because people need the escape and the release. So
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getting back is a very large sort of umbrella term.
And obviously music is such a form of giving back.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I think that you know and I want to get
your question exactly right. So you said back to the question.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Was what is the importance to you of giving back?
How to do it and influence your work?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
So for me, like I I mean, obviously, like you said,
there's the obvious things of like you know what charities
and the things that you're involved with like that, but
there's a bigger there's something bigger that I think is
the most important thing that artists can give and how
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you can give back, and it's it's it's people feeling
like they belong.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
It's giving people a sense of belonging.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Hopefully you give people a sense of that they're seen,
that they're not alone and connected to something and in
love meaning in in love, not in love, but like
that we connect through love, right that we connect no
matter what side of any spectrum that we're on. In
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a world that seemingly is more interested in dividing us
than it is bringing us together. The great thing you
can do as an artist is try to bridge the gap.
That's how I see it. I see it as the
great like I was saying, especially music, music more than
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anything but film as well and television. But music is
like music is where people congregate to feel like transported
together and having a shared experience where they belong and
that they someone that could be on two completely different
(33:50):
sides of the earth, you know, personality wise, and you
know in religion or politics, can actually love the same feels,
feel a similar feeling when they're when they have a
shared love for an artist and what they're giving giving
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giving them for that moment, you know, And I think, like.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
It's what I love.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I mean, I think music changes lives, like I think
it actually changes the function of your brain when you're struggling.
And I think that when you know, at least I
can only say that really as through my experience. But
but that's how how that's how what music's been for me.
(34:38):
You know, It's like it's the great hope or or
seeing is to be seen. It really is, like I
think that's why it's also really important that artists sometimes
don't always give away what their songs about because when
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someone hears it and they feel their life in your music,
they feel their life in the story you're telling through music,
like it can change it can change their human experience
right there in that moment because they can see their
world in it. And that's so it's so huge and
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and and I also believe in like energy and light.
And I think when people are born into the world
and they have light to give, they should they need
to give it out. I think we need to give
more light out. And uh. And so whenever you see
it in young children, you see the ones that are
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like came in kind of what you call like a
light bearer, you know. There they get on a stage
and the whole room laughs, you know. And there's all
different kinds of human behaviors that are important, but there's
something about the performer, the artist that if they have
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that thing that they that that we need it, we
need it collectively, we need it. And you know, and
I say light bearers, like you know, light bears also
go dark. As a matter of fact, most of them
can go very dark. But you know, it's like you
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got to share the light. And so that's that's how
I see giving back. And I think that I get
through life through connection, and obviously science backs all that up,
like we need to connect more than ever and listen
to each other and like see each other and be
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kind to each other all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
So it's interesting for you. What were the first songs
that changed your life?
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Oh my god, the first song that changed my life?
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Like the first ones? Like, what were the couple of
the ones that really you know at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Well, so when I was a little girl and I
saw stand By Me, that was huge because the whole
soundtrack just became I was little, you know, and but
stand by Me was I think the first song that
made me feel emotion like emotional as a child.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I just deeply connected to the song and like saw
myself in it again, you know, I think like most
and that movie is what what was my you know,
was my introduction to all of that. And then you know,
all of those great kind of motown songs, and then
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then that got me into into like motown and I
was really little, but I kind of loved it, and
then I just loved music period. So it went from
probably that being maybe the first song that I was like,
oh my god, to like Aretha Franklin, who was always
natural woman was like I was a little girl.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
That song was like the greatest song to me.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
And then I got into like Madonna and Janet Jackson.
Then I just wanted to be in Rhythm Nation and
on a stage dancing and like you know, on like
a lift and with dancers everywhere. You know. Then I
got into that phase Van Halen, Jump van Halen.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I loved Van Halen.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
And then in my teens and eighties, like so voices
carry all that, like yummy eighties, and I was like
I had a Fisher Price a little forty five, and
I just anytime I could get a single, I just
would like I'd have all these little records, you know.
I don't even know if my family knew, Like, you know,
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it was like I loved my record player. I probably
thought it was weird.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
It was like my favorite toy.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
And then and then, honestly, when music started to really
like affect me was when I started going through puberty.
And I think that's the big moment for kids, is
you start to have these big feelings and they're huge,
and music just starts to define it. And I was
so lucky that that was early nineties so like ninety three.
(39:45):
So it was things like like Chryl Crowe was probably
the soundtrack of my Pubert puberty, like she was. I
remember I was on this like camping trip or something,
and I was hiking up in the mountains and I
had a discmand and I only had Tuesday Night Music
Love and that album was like, oh my God. And
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the songs that hit me on that album when I
was little was like Run, Baby, Run, and I do
believe it was really the more emotional songs. And then
I got into Pearl Jam and Nirvana and you know,
all the good even my ex husband, I was like
very a huge Black Crows fan. I was not allowed
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to go to the Black Crows show. I was too young.
I was told I could not, and then I got
into The Dead I mean, so like it's kind of
like I remember, I remember discovering Harvest Moon for the
first time. I must have been like thirteen or fourteen,
and I felt like I had discovered, Like I felt
(40:56):
like the coolest person in the world because it's like
nobody knows. I felt like I had discovered, like you know,
and then of course, you know, I go home, I'm like,
oh my God, like Mom, you got to hear this record, Like, Dad,
it's like the greatest thing I've ever heard of my life.
And they're like, yeah, it's Neil Young, It's Harvest Moon.
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But that just like blew my mind, that album. And
then honestly, meeting Cameron at nineteen was like, he's the
one who opened me up to all the boot legs
and all of the you know, the fillmore like seven,
you know, Zeppelin at the Filmore and all kinds of
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stuff that i'd never I'd never really gotten to yet,
and so he really kind of expanded my my and
musical education.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, he's very good at that. But wait before we
come on to camera, because he actually gave me It's
so funny because I don't write out questions for any interview.
I do not believe in it. It's just my way
of doing it. I've never done I haven't done it
since two thousand and seven when I did it for
Retha Franklin and then I said to Aretha, oh, I
know you saw other questions and She's like, I answer
(42:12):
the questions, you can ask me whatever the hell you want.
So after that, I've never done it. But Cameron actually
gave me some questions for you, But I have to
ask first, will you now get such fulfilled childhood fantasy
and have a lift and a bunch of dancers on
stage twenty tour?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
I mean right now it's not really dancer vibes, but
never say never. I mean I love to move.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
The funny thing is is now.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Like I didn't realize how much this would open up musically,
and like as it pertains to just you know, being
in show business. It's like I act and I perform,
and I love to dance, I love to say can
I write music?
Speaker 3 (43:02):
And all these things.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
It's like, so there's I have a feeling that it
will happen on stage at some point, but I don't
know in what iteration it will look like. I would
love it to be like Madison Square Garden, but it
might be you know, you never know, it might end
up being on Broadway. Who knows, we'll see exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
You know. That's what makes it fun, is that, and
particularly with music, it just if you follow it, it's
going to take you wherever you have no say in it.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, it's so true, it's so true.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Speaking of Cameron, he said hold on, let me open this, because,
like I said, I never do this.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Oh but I love this. I love that he even
took the time to say ask her these questions.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Well, I love it. Fact though, it's it's like you
gave me tips and notes too. And he was telling
me that you cried listening to River in the middle
of in the middle of the movie.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Oh my god. Yes, Well is that a question, because
I can tell you the story if you want to
know this, So.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I love to hear the story.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Well, actually, I mean I remember there was two different times.
There's two different things, but I remember two different songs
and they both like at one.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
I don't remember which one was which, but but I
was crying anyway, like everything. It just I just couldn't
for these songs. I couldn't stop crying. So and and
it was the scene where I see Russell for the
first time backstage and William is like, Penny Lane, you
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know Russell Russell Penny Lane, and I'm like, oh, nice
to meet, and he realizes that we know each other.
But when we were doing it, it was on Billy's coverage,
so it was behind my back. It was behind my back.
I wasn't even on film, and Cameron just played River
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and I just started to ball. I started to cry,
and Billy was like looking at me, like what's happening,
and I just like I was just looking at it
and tears are just streaming down my face.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
And then Cameron got cut.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
I was like, oh my God. And then I just
could not stop crying. Like every time he played that song,
I just was like, I cannot stop crying. And then
it went on on my coverage and then he played
a Bruce Springsteen song. I think it was the Promise.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
I forget which one it was, and I.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Just I thought I'd like got it together, and I
just started to cry again. He kept playing these songs.
It's like he knew how to get to me. He knew,
he knew the songs that were gonna that we're going
to you know, I'm crying comes easily to me. Crying
comes as easy as laughing does for me, and and
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he just always knew. I remember one time too, Cameron
and I were he was showing me this scene and
it was it was William running to find me after
Max's Kansas City and then he sees and this is
when I like you know, took pills and I was high,
(46:27):
and you know that scene, Yeah, I'm running, He's running.
And Cameron was playing me two different versions, two different songs,
and he was asking me, He's like, which one, what
do you think? And I was like the Elton John
I mean Elton John all And.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
I felt like I felt like Cameron just did it.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
He knew which song he wanted, but he was just
doing it just to like test, you know.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
He just knew.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
He knew that I would know what song was the
right song, you know. And and I just love that
about about Cameron. He oh, he's Cameron's just the best.
He knew how to He really knew how to get
me going, That's for sure.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
It's funny because he also said she did many takes,
because that was very exacting. She never complained all this
sometimes she just woefully spoke these words a lot. Cameron Crowe,
Sophie Staffrey.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
I would go Camaron Crow.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
And there's this scene, Oh my god. So Cameron would
do this thing where we'd be like we were on
the bus, and he would do this thing where he
would go, I'll be Jane, You'll be Jane, and I'll
be whatever I forget the line, and I would do
it just like him. I go, I'll be Jane and
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you'll be Jack or whatever I was saying, and he
would go, I'll be Jane and you'll be Jack. And
I'd be like, I'll be Jane. I'm like, I can't
do it like that because that doesn't sound right. So
and he did this for so long Steve that I
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was like, this is getting crazy. And after he called cut,
that was like the big moment every and that kind
of started the Cameron Crow. It was just like Cameron
Crow because he just when he wants something and he
knows what he wants, he sure knows how to get it,
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and and and he'll just keep going. At one point
sometimes I'd have to walk away. Actually, sometimes I'd have
to be like, I need a second. This is too intense.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
You're being too intense.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
You know what's really funny is you know Cameron was like,
just so you know the backstory, can One was a
hero of mine growing up, and I started interviewing him
and we became such good friends. He wrote the forward
to my book, and I'm actually the one who introduced
him to the woman he's having the baby with them.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Oh, my gosh y Holly, how was that?
Speaker 1 (49:17):
She was a friend of mine. She went with me
to Jonie at the Gorge. He's wonderful. But it's so
funny because it's also surreal to me as well that
I can now go to him and he'll give you
questions for you. But before that, I actually met through
some weird this thing called the Rocket Go Conference. I
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met Penny Trumbull, and Cameron Ashley asked me to ask
you what your conversations were like with Penny.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
She was super cool. I mean it was pretty like straightforward. Actually,
I had great conversations with her about you know, certain
experiences that she had and she's still like she had
this like I don't know, she made this like lodge
and like old musicians that would come through and like
(50:06):
stay in her lodge, I mean lodge and stuff like that.
She seemed very cool and and uh, but also it's
funny because I kind of feel like I have met
along in my life like other women. You know, my
best friend's mom is bib Bouell, you know, and so
like you kind of these that.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Well, that's really funny. Sorry not to it, but Cameren
actually said as far as She's spoken also to bb Dwell,
who probably has a bit of the character wrapped up
in Penny Lane too. So wait, so Cameron didn't even
know that that was your best friend's mom.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Well, Bibi is is live Tyler's mom and and so
like for me growing up, like I always had, you know,
she was just someone that i'd always I had always known,
you know, And there's an there's just an energy. There's
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just an energy to the sort of women who kind
of at that time were the muses really of rock
and and love to be a part of that world
and we're in it and kind of loved music themselves,
and so.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, it was it was.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
It was pretty cool to meet a lot of the
kind of muses of rock and Penny was definitely it
was just so nice to you know, meet her. She
seemed really cool.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
All right, last one from this and then you know,
I'll let you go because you were very generous with
all your time. But there I'm just curious on this
because there's so many great costumes that can't really ask
if you keep props or things from the shoot.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Oh my gosh, I have a pair of jeans. I
kept my jeans. I kept like one blouse, but nothing else.
I didn't get any of it. I feel like I
wish I just like stole one of the coats because
there were two of them. I should I feel like
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I should have one of those Penny Lane coats. Maybe
I'll have Betsy make me one. I'll call Betsy our
cause you desired, like, can you just make me one
of those coats?
Speaker 1 (52:26):
But you know, there was supposed to be a revival
of the Broadway show, a touring version, so maybe you
can snag one from there.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. But now, unfortunately they're very good at
not get letting you take anything from said.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
You know, I love that you say you can cry
easy when you go back to it. Now, what are
those songs that Because Camin and I have talked about this,
a lot music changes for you over the years because
your perspective changes. A song that I always use an
example of Zeppelin ten years gone. I can know that
song when I'm six years old. I think that's the
(53:20):
coolest song in the world, but I don't have a
fucking clue what it means because I have no sense
of nostalgia. And then I hear when I'm adult and
I'm like, oh my god, this is the greatest song ever.
So what are those songs for you now? And it's
funny that you did voices carry because I've also been
an Amy man for many years. I love her incredible songwriter.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Well, I think that's a good one. Like that, that's
a good one for me, which is like when I
was little, I had no concept of what that song
meant or was. Now that I'm older, now you you
know it takes on a very different a very different meaning.
I think both sides now is that for me? Like
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Joni Mitchell, I always loved that song when I was little,
and now it resonates much deeper. Ten years gone is
a good one. I never even thought about them. But
so that's I think that might be one of my
if not like my favorite Zeppelin song.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
It's definitely one of my now definitely like top four. Yeah,
like I said, when I was a kid, I'm like
I was gold that you hear it as an adult and
you're like, holy shit, this is like the deepest thing.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
You don't even you don't even know.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
I think too, I think I guess age it's different.
Like I also felt like like I was when I
was really young, I just got obsessed with Jeff Buckley,
as like anyone who loves music does at one point,
like you just you have to have you know, that
(55:06):
moment right in your life and Lover you should Have
Come Over was like one of those songs I just
like I would just sit in my room and play
over and over and over again. But then like as
I got older, the song just like had like felt
even more just intense for me. So that was the
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one that I think has has grown. I'm just listening
to it with my you, my thirteen year old who's
very very musical. All my kids are so musical. It's
wild to see there, to see it as a parent,
like watch your kids kind.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Of grow their their own musical language.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
They're both very different. My boys like Love the Smiths
and and and they're just so damn cute. It's so
cute to see them discover all this new set. But
I was playing him Jeff Buckley. He'd never heard it,
and he's thirteen, he'd never like listened to it, and
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I just like forced him to listen to the song,
and I could see in his face like it's just
washed over. I can see it penetrating, and I was like, yes,
he gets it.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
You know. It's so funny. I don't get jealous over
almost anything because I've lived this insame life. I've met
everybody I've you know, but being able to hear Jeff
Buckley for the first time again, I'm jealous of that.
Like when he said that, I was like, I feel
trying to have that experience again.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
I feel the same way about so about like a
lot of artists. You know, it's like when you hear
something for the first time, you're just like discovering music
at that age when you fall in love with music.
It is like I look at my kids, I say,
I see them in their room and they listen to
songs and they listen to it over and over again,
(57:08):
and they try to play it on the guitar, and
I'm like that you can't. That's the best time because
they're just like just like opening up their mind is
being blown like daily. The thing is is that I
try to get them to come into my office or
my kind of room and listen to albums because I'm like,
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it's so music is so accessible. Like when I was little,
you had a tape, but you didn't have like a
hundred of them. You had like three tapes that you'd
buy and like you'd listen to them over and over
and over and over and over again, and you have
to like get through the song to get to the
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next one, you know, and then you learn it enough
to skip the ones you didn't like.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
But they don't have.
Speaker 2 (57:59):
That experien They have immediate gratification. I'm like, no, no,
come downstairs, put this album on, and and they love it.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
They love it. You realize like.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
It's you know, like when you see you're thirteen and
or you know, you know my son now my older
son's twenty, but you see them like get excited about
like seeing a vinyl. It's so cool, you know, because
you realize, like they love the they love that musical experience,
that it's.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
Not we're not we're not all.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
You know, the future is not dead. You know it's
gonna get I have a feeling that there's like kids
still want it, you know.
Speaker 1 (58:49):
Of course you never lose that feeling. It's funny like
when you were talking about Neil Young and you're how
your parents were like, well, of course it's harvest mood.
The thing with kids like you still made that feeling
of discovery on your own.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah, you really do. And and and and I love
when they they find and discover artists that I don't know,
you know, like these young artists now I'm getting they'll
set they'll send me stuff like mom, if you heard
loose and uh, and it's so cute, you know. And
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and I love seeing their musical taste. You know, they're
clearly they're clearly kids that are come from you know,
musical stock.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
But uh, but.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
They're they have such a wide range of taste and
it's very cool. You know.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
There's Riders sent me this.
Speaker 2 (59:43):
I don't even remember her name, but she sent me
this young female artist and she was so dope, like
almost like eighties, old school eighties energy, but like with
a modern kind of pop twist to it. I was like,
this is great. I like, and I just love that
they love to discover music. There's there's nothing better. There's
(01:00:05):
nothing to me, I mean, to me, there's nothing better.
Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
I agree. I still have that, you know, feeling like
it's still one of my favorite things. Well, what do
you want to add that we didn't talk about because
we went all over the place.
Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I mean, I don't I'm happy.
Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
This was fun Yeah, well I knew it would be.
And it's funny because you know, obviously we have so
many mutual connections, and Ken is the best in the
way it's interested him at the is like, if you
want to actually do a music interview, Well, hopefully I
lived up to your expectations, because Cameron is way too
kind to me. The first fucking time he introduced me
(01:00:46):
to Joni, he introduced me to Jani is a great writer,
and I'm like, what the fuck are you doing to be?
Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Oh, that's the best.
Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
I've never met Jonie.
Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
I feel like it's like she's like one of those
people when people are like, there's anybody, I'm like Jonie Mitchell, I.
Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Just you know. So I literally have sat in a
room with James Brown. The only person I've ever gotten
really nervous meeting is Joni.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Yeah. I think I'd be nervous, definitely. I'm already thinking
about it. I'm getting definitely anxious.
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Well you know, and so I tend to be very
off the cuff and everything. Like like I said, I
don't I questions in my interviews. Cameron calls me Coltrane
for the way improvised interviews, which is the greatest confliment ever.
But I actually did rehearse what I said to Jonie
because the long story short is I had seen her
(01:01:46):
playing pool at one of the parties, right and sounds
so duchy, but a good friend who was doing press
for Prince and she made preads let me into one
who thirty one twenty one parties and Jonny happen to
be blaying pool and that I was interviewing Brian Blade,
her drummer, about the Joni seventy five shows at Dorothy Chandler,
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and he said, oh, you should see Jonny play pinball.
So when I met Jonie, I went after her and said, oh,
I hear you're a hell of a pinball player, and
she and her friends started cracking out. It's the only
time I've ever rehearsed what I would say to someone.
But I was so nervous meet her because you know,
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I've heard the stories and let's just say, she could
be really tough.
Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
That's I always feel like that, that would be That's
what I want. I'm always like, I just she's such
a hero like no one, no one, there's no one
like Jonie. She's just.
Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I will say like I said, I went to the
Gorge I reviad the show for Rolling Stone, the best
compliment I ever got. The other one is Joni loved
my review per thing of both Sides now. Watching her
do it now, it was probably literally the greatest side
performance I've ever seen. I would say Both Sides now
is one Zeppelin in my time of dying at the
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reunion show? Is too Springsteen? Backstreets Springsteon is my favorite
urih of all time. But Joni both Sides now? Watching
her do it now, you know she wrote it on
Tuesday in her twenties, but when you watch the level
of depth that she brings to it now, it is
mind blowing. I just sat and watched the video. I
cried over and over like five times in a row.
Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Oh I can't, I can't. I'm sure, Like I I wonder, like,
what was what do you think has been your favorite
musical experience?
Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
I mean, you've been you've been in that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Situation so much where you're sort of reviewing, and what
do you think is like the one that changed your life?
Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Well? Wait, favorite and change my life for two different questions,
because changed my life probably happened when I was much younger. Favorite,
you know could have happened at any point.
Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
All right, well then what then give me each one?
What was the one that changed your life? Was like
change your life?
Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
You know, it's funny. The very first thing that goes
to mind. When I was a kid, my dad took
me to the US Festival. I don't know if you
remember that festival where YouTube played Bowie everybody who was
two years in a row and I remember seeing the
Kinks do celluloid Heroes and there was something about that
moment that I stuck in my head forever and ever.
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It's still one of my ten favorite songs, and there's
it was probably the first moment where I realized the
power of music. Awesome, because I was probably twelve or
thirteen that one and then favorite There's so many. But
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when I went to one of the when I went
to the Prince party that the publicists made me go to.
Our mad her made him let me into He and
Cebe Wonder played at four in the morning for one
hundred and fifty people in the living room.
Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Oh yeah, that does were epic, that's it unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Yeah, they played I Was Bids Lover in the living
room for like ten one hundred fifty people. It's the
craziest night of all time. And I have always said
that it's the best ten minutes music ever because of
the intimacy. But there's so many I mean, like I said,
there's so many Springsteen moments. There was a Zeppelin reunion show.
I still love the feeling of discovery. I've actually been
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for the last two years helping out this artists who
I love. I just like fell in love with musically
and is my favorite person. I've been helping her and
then get into everything I did, and then helping her
get on bottle rock and play to these amazing people.
That's an awesome experience too.
Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Oh it's the best.
Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Yeah, So there's I mean, that's the thing about music,
like you never run out of the great experiences.
Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Yeah, you really don't, You really don't. You just they just.
Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
They always think they continue to present themselves.
Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Yeah, because all these opportunities always come seeing tell me
both sides now and again, through and through, you know.
Going to the show, which I hadn't written for Rolling
Stone in ninety years, Cameron asked me to do the review.
I'm like, fuck, I can't say no to Cameron, And
then I go to the show. It's amazing. And then
Cameron and my friend end up getting together and it's like,
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I love that so much.
Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
It's the best.
Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Yeah, and knock ups for music and now.
Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
They're having a baby. Yeah, I can't believe it.
Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I well, yeah, I know we could just talk forever.
Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
But yes, well I hope to see you soon.
Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Yeah, well definitely when you're playing in You know, obviously
you get my number from any number of people. Yeah. Yeah,
I'm gonna send you some music too, if it's okay,
because I just love still sharing music. Please. Yeah, I
mean because I'm listening to new music every day and
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there's so much cool stuff out there.
Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Oh that's the best. Please please send me everything cool.
Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
What was great find the meeting even though I feel
like I've known you because you know, we have so
many mutual connections. Congratulations on everything and talk seeing Thanks
for everything.
Hey, this is Steve Balton. This week on in service
of I will be talking with Kate Hudson. This was
one of my favorite interviews of the year. Unfortunately Stage
was not able to join us as she was on
tour that day. But Kate and I have a lot
of mutual friends, as you will hear, and so talking
to her was like talking to an old friend. This
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was an incredible conversation, including questions provided by Cameron Crowe.
So I hope you enjoyed this one as much as
we did. It was spectacular. Who Hi, So what Cameron said?
(00:47):
He told me? He told you about me as well.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
That's right, because we were doing I wanted you mean
Cameron Cameron.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Crowe of course, yeah, because I wanted.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Him to do the to moderate the.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
My Grammy Night, Museum Night and and but he had
to go he's doing this thing with Joni Mitchell and
he went to the he had to go to the bowl,
so he couldn't do it. But yeah, he was. He
spoke so highly of you.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, Cameron is the greatest. But it's funny because also
Heather Perry said the slo HP Yeah, well it's funny
because I forgot that you know, I've known her for
years too. And then I saw her a post about
your benefit last week or your mom's benefit, and so
I asked her about it, and yeah, I still look
(01:36):
at you. I HA. Was a lot of fun doing
Proud Mary.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It was so much fun, you know, I I I
It's like my mom, you know, my mom was like,
will you sing at the event? And I was like,
of course, but I didn't have my band. It was
this big she had this you know, this backing band.
These guys were so awesome and it turns out like
they all this this band that they put together, all
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these great kind of la session musicians who do actually
go out with certain people when they're out, but when
they're not they play all these gigs and they sounded
so amazing and like having horns made me so happy.
Having a horn section is just like dreamy. And when
(02:24):
I heard there was going to be a horn section,
I was like, oh, well we have to do prott Mary,
And yeah it's fun.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I really I'm loving being on stage.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I feel like I'm finding my feet every time, you know,
a little bit more have more strength, I should say,
under my feet performing wise. Every time I get on
stage and I'm just still I'm just really learning.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
It's it's still very new to me.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
You know, well, it's probably a lot of fun as well.
It's funny. I was just interviewing Big Sean the Rap
were on Wednesday, and we were talking about he's playing
best and you know when you're used to have lating
arenos and then you go and you play little crowd,
it's not yours. Most artists really enjoy that because they
enjoy the challenge. Yeah. Sure, for you, you know, you've
(03:13):
obviously okay, I'm not gonna say you've mastered that. Can
you never master anything? As I always say, if Coltrane
I thought I loved Supream was perfect, there's no reason
for him to go on. So you're always trying to
better yourself. But certainly being on stage is a completely
new and different challenge. And I'm sure it's a lot
of fun.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It's so much fun and I and you're right, It's
like the more I've been really the enjoying the more
challenging performances like really intimate rooms. When when I played
really small rooms where you can hear a pin drop,
I love the I love playing that small intimate room
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because it kind of you hone in on the instrument.
You know, you're as a singer, you know, you really
have to like focus in on the instrument and keep
people's attention, and they're right in front of your face,
and so it's a little bit more nerve wracking, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well, yeah, you're much more vulnerable because you're seeing their response.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, but I love it.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I've been enjoying this different way to connect and you know,
I really love playing the bigger venues. I can't wait
to actually be able to just start being able to
focus on going out on an actual tour and getting
out there more consistently because I just love it. I
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absolutely love it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well, it's really funny because HP, as you say, said
that they've been trying to get you to like make
it out for years. So I will not go to
the obvious of what made this the right time, But
it's funny. I think people like you always have those
subconscious voices in your head. And do you hear your
friends saying making an album, make an album, make an album?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I mean I feel like I've always had also such
support and that in music with even my music friend.
My friends in music always were like I don't get it.
Why aren't you doing this? You know? And you have
to do it at some point. I've always felt very
(05:27):
like I feel like I've always had a great support
system of people who really wanted me to follow. I
also think they know how much I love it, you know,
And and every time I would sing somewhere, you know,
and I'd get like the courage to get up and sing,
like it always was that thing where you know, everyone
(05:51):
would just look at me and go like, I don't
get it, Like why isn't this what you do? And
I'd be like, it's so much more complicated than that.
I'd sort of take it as a compliment, but like,
you know, it's hard for me, really.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Hard to take compliments. But but but it's.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Sort of after a while you just really start actually saying, yeah,
why why am I so afraid to put music out there?
You know?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
And uh, but I do feel.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Like I've had incredible support and a lot of that
gave me the confidence to be able to put it
out in the world. You know.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well, it's a really interesting thing though, because it's kind
of like the Wizard of Oz, you know, so there's
that feeling of once you see behind the curtain, you
can't unsee it. So it's interesting because it's something you
always love so much. Was there a little bit of
trepidation as well as like, well again exactly like if
I see behind the curtain, it takes away the mystery,
(06:56):
like it took me so long to be able to
unlearn writing about a show in my head when I
saw it. And to me, the litmus test of a
great concert now is when I can go and just
get out of my fucking head to forget everything.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, you know the I think I think part of
what's so nice about it happening now, you know, is
that I really really have gotten to a point in
my life where I just want to create from a pure,
a pure place, and like anything else that happens around
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it is lovely if it's positive.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
But really, at the end of the day, is.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Not what's fueling me to make art, whether it be
in acting or in music. Like you know, I think
you get older and you're like, wait, this is what
I feel like I've been put on the earth to
do is to perform, is to act, is to get
on stage, make people happy, connect and connect with people
(07:59):
and hope that you know it brings some sense of
levity and like you said, like to be able to
disappear into something like that's that's the greatest compliment you
could ever get as an actor or as a performer,
if that's what someone has experiences, you know, And like,
(08:20):
you get to that point where I think as you
get older, where you sort of no longer it's no
longer the focus is no longer about how others are
seeing you. The focus is really about how you see
what you're creating and putting out in the world. And
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that's what, you know, is what really motivates you. You know.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
So like when it gets to that.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Kind of behind the curtain and like peeking behind the
curtain truth is like I feel like I've I grew
up behind the curtain, you know, and like I grew
up behind the curtain and then I was with Chris
for so long and lived on the road for years,
and you know, I really like when you when you
(09:09):
peek behind the curtain, like you you better really love
it because it can be it can get really fucked
up and weird, you know, and I don't think people
see that on the outside. And you really have to
love it, and you have to have like a real
strong sense of self and be able to really really
take like profound criticism and judgment and I and you
(09:37):
have to be able to power through it. And so
for me with music, it was like I had to.
I remember when I was younger and people were like,
why didn't why don't you do this? And I said,
because if I'm such a music is such a huge
part of my life and I love it so much
that I would be I'd feel fraudulent if I didn't
(09:58):
do it the right way, if I didn't give it
the attention that it deserves. Like I'm not just going
to go into a studio and sing somebody else's songs.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I love singing other people's songs, and I will definitely
do that, But for me, I love to write music.
So it's like I have to do this properly. And
I just wasn't in a place for years of toil
to be able to actually devote and commit my time
(10:27):
to it until COVID, when I was like, oh, we
could die tomorrow, and I have to do it. I
have to make it a priority, because then I just
feel like, you know, if I like got to my deathbed,
I would never know if I left something on the table,
and now that I'm doing it, I feel like I
definitely would have left something enormous. I mean, I just
(10:49):
got back from singing at the Grand ol Opry, and
I was so emotional because I'm well, first of all,
the last time I was there was Chris Christofferson. Was
there a huge Chris Krosoftferson fan, terrible like loss for
the music community, and just like just it's just so
sad because he was just the best. And I remember
(11:12):
chatting with him backstage at the Rhyme and when it
before it was the operate. I've never been to the
New Opry, but like to sing there was just I
couldn't believe. I was just like, wow, I can't believe
there might have been a possibility of my life that
I would have never been I would have never done this,
(11:33):
and I made this decision.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And then I'm standing here and.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I feel like all of this incredible musicianship and you know,
I you know all the people who have like graced
that stage, and just I feel so humbled by it.
It's just the greatest. I'm so happy I did it.
It's a long winded answer for what you asked me,
(11:59):
But that's okay.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I always I always say this because people say that
to me all the time, and I always say, i'd
much other, would longer day answer than someone who says
yes or no. And it's so funny because you know,
you can look at Chris and you can say, because
I knew Chris as well and he was eighty eight,
and you can say, yeah, it's amazingly but it's still
it's like, yeah, it's still such an amazing loss. And
(12:22):
it's interesting though, because what's inspiring about him as well?
It's funny that you say the stuff on the table,
that is the dude who fucking did it all.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
He didn't leave anything on the table, nothing and any
and he led with kindness and heart any and he
was outspoken and so I don't know, he's just he's
he was just the best. He's like every girl's dream,
every guy at least this girl's dream, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
And every guy wanted to be him.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, it just doesn't didn't get any cooler than him
and Rhodes scholar and I just I just think he
you know, he was just wonderful and he you know,
my he'd worked with my dad. He played actually a
Kurt's dad in a movie, and so I've actually gotten
to meet him quite you know, a handful of times,
and he was just always the best, so lovely and
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just a good like and what a life.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I mean, you just.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Gotta do you just gotta do it. I have to say, though,
music is the world energetically, It's just where I feel
most comfort. You know. It's like people used to say,
like where's your happy place? For years, like my piano,
Like if I that's just like I'm just happiest in
around music. It's just and I even even for people
(13:45):
who don't choose or don't get the opportunity to have
music be their vocation or what you know, pays the bills.
I think that people who are musicians are always musicians,
like where it's where even if they're not a musician
by as a job, you know, and and so like
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there is an energy. I think that there's a camaraderie
when people really understand or have that like connection to music.
I sometimes look at it like there's those who create
it and play it and like know how to make
sound something incredible and beautiful that touches so many people.
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There's those those writers and then there's the fans that
can receive it in a way that is like life
changing for them. You know, people who have that music,
that that connection, because not everybody does. I think it's
the strongest language, but people who really like it, like
it like hits their heart and like it feels it's transcendent.
(14:59):
You know, it's it's a certain type of person, and
I am happiest with those people. You know.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Has that always been the answer you though? I mean,
because like you said, you kind of grew up buying
the curtain obviously, but you grew up more around film.
But it's interesting. Was music the thing that always spoke
to you the most?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Oh yeah? Oh yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Even in film?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
You know that even even as as as someone who
loves movies, you know, the movies I love the most
were those who utilized music the best. Like for me,
music has been the driving force for me from the beginning.
You know, like where I how I dream, it's through
music and like, but I'm also like my dad's a musician.
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There's is a lot there, you know, which is like
when I was little and I did have moments where
I would see him it was all music, and then
I wouldn't see him for a long time, you know,
and then I'd go back and it was you know,
it was always very music. My my grandfather, my mom's
dad was a professional violinist. There's always music, you know,
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and I was always just singing and playing piano, and
you know, it's just always my strongest connection to the
arts and musical theater. Like I the musical theater was like,
that's all I ever wanted to do. I was singing,
(16:28):
I was thinking about like Christmas songs and and a
lot of people don't know, but like I just really
I released my Christmas Christmas song today and it's have
Yourself a very Little Christmas, and I was I wanted
to do and I actually did record the original lyrics
of it. But I knew that song because of Meet
(16:51):
Me in Saint Louis. You know, most people don't know
like Meet Me in Saint Louis, all those Judy Garland
musicals were on repeat for me as a little girl,
and so that song, it's such a sad moment in
the in the movie, but that like Judy Garland singing
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have Yourself a Mary Little Christmas is like, you know,
it was like made me want to do that.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
You know, Yeah, it's interesting for you though you mentioned
I want to like, you know, I'll jump around a
little bit, you know. For you you mentioned you can't
wait to go on tour. Who would be the dream
person to tour with just for fun, just that person
you want to watch on the stage every single night.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Oh, that's such a good question. There's a lot of people.
But you know, I was thinking about this the other day.
There's a lot of girls that I love, you know,
I that I and who I admire. I love Lucius,
I think they're so great and they're so talented. And
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Cheryl Crow and Brandy. I love Brandy. She's just awesome.
I'm really wonderful person. I'm kind of obsessed and have
been since the beginning of their musical career with the Lumineers.
I just love those guys. And then when it comes
to like, you know, rock and pop, and I mean
(18:24):
I honestly like all of them. I really actually like
to tour with my ex I think I was talking
with Matt the other day for Muse and I was like,
wouldn't it would be so fun to be able to
like just have a leg, like a summer leg or
something where we toured together because our families are so close,
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like we do everything together, and it would be so
much fun for everybody. I was like, maybe we should
do something like that, and therefore the kids aren't running
all over the place.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And but easy to make happen though.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Oh gosh, that they're so big. I'll never forget that.
Watching Stade de France, the music at Stade de France
and just being like what it was just it was
just incredible. Oh, it's just unbelievable to watch. Yeah, I
mean there's there's a there's a handful. I love all
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these cute young girls like just taking the stage and
having such success. It's so fun to watch, like Chapel
Rone and you know Sabrine all the pop. You know,
Gracie Abrams, who I remember just being like a little
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girl down the street. It's growing into such an incredible musician.
And I love all these young this younger female generation.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Oh, I agree, And it's funny there's so many talented people.
And you know, I also love the like I'll take
up the new jazz singers and all that. But wait,
I want to clarify ye, like say Brandy, I assume
Brandy Carlisle but I wanted to verify that.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, yeah, Brandy Carlile.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Because there is the R and B singer Brandy that
we don't want to short change.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Also just phenomenal. But she's like she's like nineties. Like
when I was in high school, she was like, Oh,
I mean she was.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
All Brandy Carlisle is amazing. I love her. She's one
of the coolest people. She just announced her Mexico weekend
this morning. You gotta get in there.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
She did.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Oh fun, Yeah, like Shnaia Twain's playing and it's crazy Moona.
You gotta get in there. I'm sure she'd love to
have you in that.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
It's so fun.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah. I love them and they're such good people. Yeah,
And like I said, no, that's the thing, Like I
just I just love spending time with people who really
really really love and live music. It's just the best.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So what our Jory plans for next year? Will you
be able to go out of the road, are you like.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah, I'm working on it.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
We're trying to figure it out, like we're trying to
figure Timing is always hard because of my work and
I have multiples, Like I have a show coming out
and then I have this film that I'm.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Doing, So there's always.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
That's always finding the timing between that and promoting is
always hard. And having I still have kids, you know,
young kids, so it's not easy. But we're gonna look
at the new year, so that'll be exciting.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Is you can literally put out a song every weekend.
You watch this for fun.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I love it. Thank god, it's so much fun. You know.
I really really believed, like I really wanted to and
I will continue to, but have my first album be
very specific and like a full listening experience.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Versus like an EP.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Or a song here and there, just because you only
have one opportunity to make your first album, and and
that was so important. And now I'm now I just
can't wait to get back in the studio. It's like
it's a little bit of a I mean, I write
all the time, and but it really it was the
(22:55):
first time when I was like I'm going to make
an album. When you go in the studio to make
an album is just a completely different energy and I
love it. And then and then so I can't wait
to like put time aside to actually go in and
make my next record. I'm just already getting excited by that.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Well, it's so interesting man. By the way, you know,
in the in the mutual connections, you wrote most of
this with Linda Perry, who I've known for a billion years.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Linda.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Linda.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Linda was the one who was like she heard me
sing and then she had me come into the studio.
She asked if I wanted to sing the song that
she wrote, and I was like sure, And then she
asked if I wrote music, and I said yes, And
then she's like, well, let's right, you know, let's just
see what happens. And we went in and met Danny
and Linda just sat around and started to write, and
(23:50):
in two weeks we had like twenty six songs. We
wrote so well together. It was so much fun. And
she was such a huge She got like, I I'm
so grateful to her power because she's one of those
people that just keeps the ball moving all the time, right,
it doesn't stop, like, don't think too much, keep going.
(24:12):
Like so she would sort of push me. It was
like it was like she opened me up at certain points.
Would normally when I would write that I would kind
of overthink things. She was sort of like propelling me
into not overthinking it and just getting it done. And
I'd never done that before because I'd never collaborated with anybody.
(24:34):
So it was so much fun. And once I was
able to sort of not question what I was doing
or overthink things, and I was just flow. We just
started to flow and we all wrote really well together.
It was so great. And then.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
And then there's a couple songs.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Then after that process, and you know, we recorded it
and Danny and Johann kind of took everything and started crafting,
you know, really looking at which songs we were going
to really delve into and out of those twenty six
and then and then I took some of my old songs.
(25:15):
So there was like two or three other songs that
I had written before and I added those in.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
You know, I speak with so many songwriters, but sin
you say she got you to not overthink, you know,
I've spoken. I've been working on this project for a
couple of years with my writing partner and the person
who coasted the podcast with normally, And you know, it's
interesting because songwriting, when you get down to it, it's channeling.
(25:45):
It's just opening up your antenna and having it in
and when you're with someone like Linda who has done
this for so many years. I mean I looked at
Mike Stoler. Mike Stolar co wrote stand By Me and
jail House Rock. He's nine years old. I was like,
where's the song because I'm from He's like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, out I believe that. I mean, that's what it
feels like, you know, when you like Glorious was like
we wrote that in ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
It was like And I think that if you're open.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I mean, I think a lot of things have to
kind of energetically get in place, you know, for for
people to write you know, good good music, but like
or subjective whatever that you know, whatever that means. But
but I do think that it is a it is channeling,
(26:45):
you know, and and some people have a stronger, you know,
beam to whatever that is. And then maybe others or
they're more open to it, they're more they have an
ability to be more vulnerable. And and you see it too,
man Like I have seen it with some writers where
I'm just like in awe of you know, I They're
(27:11):
how prolific they are, Like see a great example like
working with Cia, I mean, she just could come up
with a she just will be like walking around her
house and then hear something and just doodle it in
her phone and you're just like, oh, that was amazing.
Where did that come from?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
You know?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
It clearly just is this, like she just walks around
with this, you know, ability to like channel melody all
the time, and it's always an amazing thing to watch.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I love.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
What I love about working with different people is everyone
really does it's like anything. It's like acting. It's the
same thing. Like everyone really does have a different process,
and and when you get the right collaborators, you can
just it feels like you can just make magic, because
that's kind of what it feels like, just for the
(28:09):
personal experience, you know, because it just everybody's energies kind
of compliments the other. I think Linda and I worked
really well together because we're both airies, so I understand
her impatience and I'm impatient. So we both like to
move like we like to move through things quickly. So
(28:30):
we we we when when she didn't like something, she
could say I don't like it, I don't like that,
I could we there was no but this way, there
was no sensitivity. We were able to just really be
very honest with each other and vice versa, you know.
(28:51):
And so working with her was actually really nice like
that because we had a similar momentum.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Wait, when's your birthday April?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I'm an aries, Well.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
No, in March twenty seventh.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
That's why I asked, Oh, you're a march. You're a march.
Areas are fun. But but but so you understand, like
when you know, it's like that thing when something moves
and you want something to happen. Now, like Linda has
that energy and she's very powerful energetically, so it can
(29:32):
it can if you don't understand it. It can sometimes
come across, as you know, top for uncaring, but really
Linda is like the most sensitive, the most caring, and
the most but she just likes to move, you know.
And and so it was it was really good for me,
and I'm so grateful to her. She's and she's also
(29:55):
just such a great songwriter. Oh my god, you know,
and yeah, I love, I loved. We had so much fun.
It was a blast.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
She's awesome. I went to her studio maybe a couple
months ago because I did a story with her on
her things she was doing at the hotel cafe with
that sort of songwriter. You know class she was doing
it would be the best way to put it. Yeah, So,
like I said, we'll jump around, why don't you for
it's more of a podcast question. I've been asking people
(30:27):
for you talk about the importance of giving back and
how influences your work.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Giving back. I mean, yes, I don't think anyone's ever
asked me this question.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
You know what's so fucking funny? Isn't that crazy question?
And everybody from Melissa vwis pj RVY is like, wow,
no one's ever asked me about that. But it was
Alice Cooper. I love Alice, I've done Alice forever. He said.
The most interesting thing to me, he said, fame is
the brand that allows you to do good. I always
(31:00):
loved that quote. And the best in this year, in
election year, all of that is so important. It's so critical,
and they're so much lack of hope. Yeah, interesting because
giving back doesn't just mean philanthropy. It's like, for example,
in the first year and a half that Trump was president, right,
(31:23):
I asked every musician how that affected them writing under
this regime. And it was very interesting because even someone
like Blondie was saying, look, we don't make political music,
but not making political music in this time is a
statement because people need the escape and the release. So
(31:43):
getting back is a very large sort of umbrella term.
And obviously music is such a form of giving back.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I think that you know and I want to get
your question exactly right. So you said back to the question.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Was what is the importance to you of giving back?
How to do it and influence your work?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
So for me, like I I mean, obviously, like you said,
there's the obvious things of like you know what charities
and the things that you're involved with like that, but
there's a bigger there's something bigger that I think is
the most important thing that artists can give and how
(32:31):
you can give back, and it's it's it's people feeling
like they belong.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
It's giving people a sense of belonging.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Hopefully you give people a sense of that they're seen,
that they're not alone and connected to something and in
love meaning in in love, not in love, but like
that we connect through love, right that we connect no
matter what side of any spectrum that we're on. In
(33:05):
a world that seemingly is more interested in dividing us
than it is bringing us together. The great thing you
can do as an artist is try to bridge the gap.
That's how I see it. I see it as the
great like I was saying, especially music, music more than
(33:27):
anything but film as well and television. But music is
like music is where people congregate to feel like transported
together and having a shared experience where they belong and
that they someone that could be on two completely different
(33:50):
sides of the earth, you know, personality wise, and you
know in religion or politics, can actually love the same feels,
feel a similar feeling when they're when they have a
shared love for an artist and what they're giving giving
(34:10):
giving them for that moment, you know, And I think, like.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
It's what I love.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I mean, I think music changes lives, like I think
it actually changes the function of your brain when you're struggling.
And I think that when you know, at least I
can only say that really as through my experience. But
but that's how how that's how what music's been for me.
(34:38):
You know, It's like it's the great hope or or
seeing is to be seen. It really is, like I
think that's why it's also really important that artists sometimes
don't always give away what their songs about because when
(35:00):
someone hears it and they feel their life in your music,
they feel their life in the story you're telling through music,
like it can change it can change their human experience
right there in that moment because they can see their
world in it. And that's so it's so huge and
(35:26):
and and I also believe in like energy and light.
And I think when people are born into the world
and they have light to give, they should they need
to give it out. I think we need to give
more light out. And uh. And so whenever you see
it in young children, you see the ones that are
(35:46):
like came in kind of what you call like a
light bearer, you know. There they get on a stage
and the whole room laughs, you know. And there's all
different kinds of human behaviors that are important, but there's
something about the performer, the artist that if they have
(36:07):
that thing that they that that we need it, we
need it collectively, we need it. And you know, and
I say light bearers, like you know, light bears also
go dark. As a matter of fact, most of them
can go very dark. But you know, it's like you
(36:27):
got to share the light. And so that's that's how
I see giving back. And I think that I get
through life through connection, and obviously science backs all that up,
like we need to connect more than ever and listen
to each other and like see each other and be
(36:49):
kind to each other all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
So it's interesting for you. What were the first songs
that changed your life?
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Oh my god, the first song that changed my life?
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Like the first ones? Like, what were the couple of
the ones that really you know at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Well, so when I was a little girl and I
saw stand By Me, that was huge because the whole
soundtrack just became I was little, you know, and but
stand by Me was I think the first song that
made me feel emotion like emotional as a child.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I just deeply connected to the song and like saw
myself in it again, you know, I think like most
and that movie is what what was my you know,
was my introduction to all of that. And then you know,
all of those great kind of motown songs, and then
(37:58):
then that got me into into like motown and I
was really little, but I kind of loved it, and
then I just loved music period. So it went from
probably that being maybe the first song that I was like,
oh my god, to like Aretha Franklin, who was always
natural woman was like I was a little girl.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
That song was like the greatest song to me.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
And then I got into like Madonna and Janet Jackson.
Then I just wanted to be in Rhythm Nation and
on a stage dancing and like you know, on like
a lift and with dancers everywhere. You know. Then I
got into that phase Van Halen, Jump van Halen.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I loved Van Halen.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
And then in my teens and eighties, like so voices
carry all that, like yummy eighties, and I was like
I had a Fisher Price a little forty five, and
I just anytime I could get a single, I just
would like I'd have all these little records, you know.
I don't even know if my family knew, Like, you know,
(39:12):
it was like I loved my record player. I probably
thought it was weird.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
It was like my favorite toy.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
And then and then, honestly, when music started to really
like affect me was when I started going through puberty.
And I think that's the big moment for kids, is
you start to have these big feelings and they're huge,
and music just starts to define it. And I was
so lucky that that was early nineties so like ninety three.
(39:45):
So it was things like like Chryl Crowe was probably
the soundtrack of my Pubert puberty, like she was. I
remember I was on this like camping trip or something,
and I was hiking up in the mountains and I
had a discmand and I only had Tuesday Night Music
Love and that album was like, oh my God. And
(40:07):
the songs that hit me on that album when I
was little was like Run, Baby, Run, and I do
believe it was really the more emotional songs. And then
I got into Pearl Jam and Nirvana and you know,
all the good even my ex husband, I was like
very a huge Black Crows fan. I was not allowed
(40:29):
to go to the Black Crows show. I was too young.
I was told I could not, and then I got
into The Dead I mean, so like it's kind of
like I remember, I remember discovering Harvest Moon for the
first time. I must have been like thirteen or fourteen,
and I felt like I had discovered, Like I felt
(40:56):
like the coolest person in the world because it's like
nobody knows. I felt like I had discovered, like you know,
and then of course, you know, I go home, I'm like,
oh my God, like Mom, you got to hear this record, Like, Dad,
it's like the greatest thing I've ever heard of my life.
And they're like, yeah, it's Neil Young, It's Harvest Moon.
(41:16):
But that just like blew my mind, that album. And
then honestly, meeting Cameron at nineteen was like, he's the
one who opened me up to all the boot legs
and all of the you know, the fillmore like seven,
you know, Zeppelin at the Filmore and all kinds of
(41:37):
stuff that i'd never I'd never really gotten to yet,
and so he really kind of expanded my my and
musical education.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, he's very good at that. But wait before we
come on to camera, because he actually gave me It's
so funny because I don't write out questions for any interview.
I do not believe in it. It's just my way
of doing it. I've never done I haven't done it
since two thousand and seven when I did it for
Retha Franklin and then I said to Aretha, oh, I
know you saw other questions and She's like, I answer
(42:12):
the questions, you can ask me whatever the hell you want.
So after that, I've never done it. But Cameron actually
gave me some questions for you, But I have to
ask first, will you now get such fulfilled childhood fantasy
and have a lift and a bunch of dancers on
stage twenty tour?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
I mean right now it's not really dancer vibes, but
never say never. I mean I love to move.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
The funny thing is is now.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Like I didn't realize how much this would open up musically,
and like as it pertains to just you know, being
in show business. It's like I act and I perform,
and I love to dance, I love to say can
I write music?
Speaker 3 (43:02):
And all these things.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
It's like, so there's I have a feeling that it
will happen on stage at some point, but I don't
know in what iteration it will look like. I would
love it to be like Madison Square Garden, but it
might be you know, you never know, it might end
up being on Broadway. Who knows, we'll see exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
You know. That's what makes it fun, is that, and
particularly with music, it just if you follow it, it's
going to take you wherever you have no say in it.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, it's so true, it's so true.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Speaking of Cameron, he said hold on, let me open this, because,
like I said, I never do this.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Oh but I love this. I love that he even
took the time to say ask her these questions.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Well, I love it. Fact though, it's it's like you
gave me tips and notes too. And he was telling
me that you cried listening to River in the middle
of in the middle of the movie.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Oh my god. Yes, Well is that a question, because
I can tell you the story if you want to
know this, So.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I love to hear the story.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Well, actually, I mean I remember there was two different times.
There's two different things, but I remember two different songs
and they both like at one.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
I don't remember which one was which, but but I
was crying anyway, like everything. It just I just couldn't
for these songs. I couldn't stop crying. So and and
it was the scene where I see Russell for the
first time backstage and William is like, Penny Lane, you
(44:41):
know Russell Russell Penny Lane, and I'm like, oh, nice
to meet, and he realizes that we know each other.
But when we were doing it, it was on Billy's coverage,
so it was behind my back. It was behind my back.
I wasn't even on film, and Cameron just played River
(45:03):
and I just started to ball. I started to cry,
and Billy was like looking at me, like what's happening,
and I just like I was just looking at it
and tears are just streaming down my face.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
And then Cameron got cut.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
I was like, oh my God. And then I just
could not stop crying. Like every time he played that song,
I just was like, I cannot stop crying. And then
it went on on my coverage and then he played
a Bruce Springsteen song. I think it was the Promise.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
I forget which one it was, and I.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Just I thought I'd like got it together, and I
just started to cry again. He kept playing these songs.
It's like he knew how to get to me. He knew,
he knew the songs that were gonna that we're going
to you know, I'm crying comes easily to me. Crying
comes as easy as laughing does for me, and and
(46:03):
he just always knew. I remember one time too, Cameron
and I were he was showing me this scene and
it was it was William running to find me after
Max's Kansas City and then he sees and this is
when I like you know, took pills and I was high,
(46:27):
and you know that scene, Yeah, I'm running, He's running.
And Cameron was playing me two different versions, two different songs,
and he was asking me, He's like, which one, what
do you think? And I was like the Elton John
I mean Elton John all And.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
I felt like I felt like Cameron just did it.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
He knew which song he wanted, but he was just
doing it just to like test, you know.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
He just knew.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
He knew that I would know what song was the
right song, you know. And and I just love that
about about Cameron. He oh, he's Cameron's just the best.
He knew how to He really knew how to get
me going, That's for sure.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
It's funny because he also said she did many takes,
because that was very exacting. She never complained all this
sometimes she just woefully spoke these words a lot. Cameron Crowe,
Sophie Staffrey.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
I would go Camaron Crow.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
And there's this scene, Oh my god. So Cameron would
do this thing where we'd be like we were on
the bus, and he would do this thing where he
would go, I'll be Jane, You'll be Jane, and I'll
be whatever I forget the line, and I would do
it just like him. I go, I'll be Jane and
(47:56):
you'll be Jack or whatever I was saying, and he
would go, I'll be Jane and you'll be Jack. And
I'd be like, I'll be Jane. I'm like, I can't
do it like that because that doesn't sound right. So
and he did this for so long Steve that I
(48:18):
was like, this is getting crazy. And after he called cut,
that was like the big moment every and that kind
of started the Cameron Crow. It was just like Cameron
Crow because he just when he wants something and he
knows what he wants, he sure knows how to get it,
(48:39):
and and and he'll just keep going. At one point
sometimes I'd have to walk away. Actually, sometimes I'd have
to be like, I need a second. This is too intense.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
You're being too intense.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
You know what's really funny is you know Cameron was like,
just so you know the backstory, can One was a
hero of mine growing up, and I started interviewing him
and we became such good friends. He wrote the forward
to my book, and I'm actually the one who introduced
him to the woman he's having the baby with them.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Oh, my gosh y Holly, how was that?
Speaker 1 (49:17):
She was a friend of mine. She went with me
to Jonie at the Gorge. He's wonderful. But it's so
funny because it's also surreal to me as well that
I can now go to him and he'll give you
questions for you. But before that, I actually met through
some weird this thing called the Rocket Go Conference. I
(49:38):
met Penny Trumbull, and Cameron Ashley asked me to ask
you what your conversations were like with Penny.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
She was super cool. I mean it was pretty like straightforward. Actually,
I had great conversations with her about you know, certain
experiences that she had and she's still like she had
this like I don't know, she made this like lodge
and like old musicians that would come through and like
(50:06):
stay in her lodge, I mean lodge and stuff like that.
She seemed very cool and and uh, but also it's
funny because I kind of feel like I have met
along in my life like other women. You know, my
best friend's mom is bib Bouell, you know, and so
like you kind of these that.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Well, that's really funny. Sorry not to it, but Cameren
actually said as far as She's spoken also to bb Dwell,
who probably has a bit of the character wrapped up
in Penny Lane too. So wait, so Cameron didn't even
know that that was your best friend's mom.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Well, Bibi is is live Tyler's mom and and so
like for me growing up, like I always had, you know,
she was just someone that i'd always I had always known,
you know, And there's an there's just an energy. There's
(51:03):
just an energy to the sort of women who kind
of at that time were the muses really of rock
and and love to be a part of that world
and we're in it and kind of loved music themselves,
and so.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, it was it was.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
It was pretty cool to meet a lot of the
kind of muses of rock and Penny was definitely it
was just so nice to you know, meet her. She
seemed really cool.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
All right, last one from this and then you know,
I'll let you go because you were very generous with
all your time. But there I'm just curious on this
because there's so many great costumes that can't really ask
if you keep props or things from the shoot.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Oh my gosh, I have a pair of jeans. I
kept my jeans. I kept like one blouse, but nothing else.
I didn't get any of it. I feel like I
wish I just like stole one of the coats because
there were two of them. I should I feel like
(52:13):
I should have one of those Penny Lane coats. Maybe
I'll have Betsy make me one. I'll call Betsy our
cause you desired, like, can you just make me one
of those coats?
Speaker 1 (52:26):
But you know, there was supposed to be a revival
of the Broadway show, a touring version, so maybe you
can snag one from there.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. But now, unfortunately they're very good at
not get letting you take anything from said.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
You know, I love that you say you can cry
easy when you go back to it. Now, what are
those songs that Because Camin and I have talked about this,
a lot music changes for you over the years because
your perspective changes. A song that I always use an
example of Zeppelin ten years gone. I can know that
song when I'm six years old. I think that's the
(53:20):
coolest song in the world, but I don't have a
fucking clue what it means because I have no sense
of nostalgia. And then I hear when I'm adult and
I'm like, oh my god, this is the greatest song ever.
So what are those songs for you now? And it's
funny that you did voices carry because I've also been
an Amy man for many years. I love her incredible songwriter.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Well, I think that's a good one. Like that, that's
a good one for me, which is like when I
was little, I had no concept of what that song
meant or was. Now that I'm older, now you you
know it takes on a very different a very different meaning.
I think both sides now is that for me? Like
(54:02):
Joni Mitchell, I always loved that song when I was little,
and now it resonates much deeper. Ten years gone is
a good one. I never even thought about them. But
so that's I think that might be one of my
if not like my favorite Zeppelin song.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
It's definitely one of my now definitely like top four. Yeah,
like I said, when I was a kid, I'm like
I was gold that you hear it as an adult and
you're like, holy shit, this is like the deepest thing.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
You don't even you don't even know.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
I think too, I think I guess age it's different.
Like I also felt like like I was when I
was really young, I just got obsessed with Jeff Buckley,
as like anyone who loves music does at one point,
like you just you have to have you know, that
(55:06):
moment right in your life and Lover you should Have
Come Over was like one of those songs I just
like I would just sit in my room and play
over and over and over again. But then like as
I got older, the song just like had like felt
even more just intense for me. So that was the
(55:32):
one that I think has has grown. I'm just listening
to it with my you, my thirteen year old who's
very very musical. All my kids are so musical. It's
wild to see there, to see it as a parent,
like watch your kids kind.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Of grow their their own musical language.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
They're both very different. My boys like Love the Smiths
and and and they're just so damn cute. It's so
cute to see them discover all this new set. But
I was playing him Jeff Buckley. He'd never heard it,
and he's thirteen, he'd never like listened to it, and
(56:12):
I just like forced him to listen to the song,
and I could see in his face like it's just
washed over. I can see it penetrating, and I was like, yes,
he gets it.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
You know. It's so funny. I don't get jealous over
almost anything because I've lived this insame life. I've met
everybody I've you know, but being able to hear Jeff
Buckley for the first time again, I'm jealous of that.
Like when he said that, I was like, I feel
trying to have that experience again.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
I feel the same way about so about like a
lot of artists. You know, it's like when you hear
something for the first time, you're just like discovering music
at that age when you fall in love with music.
It is like I look at my kids, I say,
I see them in their room and they listen to
songs and they listen to it over and over again,
(57:08):
and they try to play it on the guitar, and
I'm like that you can't. That's the best time because
they're just like just like opening up their mind is
being blown like daily. The thing is is that I
try to get them to come into my office or
my kind of room and listen to albums because I'm like,
(57:32):
it's so music is so accessible. Like when I was little,
you had a tape, but you didn't have like a
hundred of them. You had like three tapes that you'd
buy and like you'd listen to them over and over
and over and over and over again, and you have
to like get through the song to get to the
(57:52):
next one, you know, and then you learn it enough
to skip the ones you didn't like.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
But they don't have.
Speaker 2 (57:59):
That experien They have immediate gratification. I'm like, no, no,
come downstairs, put this album on, and and they love it.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
They love it. You realize like.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
It's you know, like when you see you're thirteen and
or you know, you know my son now my older
son's twenty, but you see them like get excited about
like seeing a vinyl. It's so cool, you know, because
you realize, like they love the they love that musical experience,
that it's.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
Not we're not we're not all.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
You know, the future is not dead. You know it's
gonna get I have a feeling that there's like kids
still want it, you know.
Speaker 1 (58:49):
Of course you never lose that feeling. It's funny like
when you were talking about Neil Young and you're how
your parents were like, well, of course it's harvest mood.
The thing with kids like you still made that feeling
of discovery on your own.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah, you really do. And and and and I love
when they they find and discover artists that I don't know,
you know, like these young artists now I'm getting they'll
set they'll send me stuff like mom, if you heard
loose and uh, and it's so cute, you know. And
(59:25):
and I love seeing their musical taste. You know, they're
clearly they're clearly kids that are come from you know,
musical stock.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
But uh, but.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
They're they have such a wide range of taste and
it's very cool. You know.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
There's Riders sent me this.
Speaker 2 (59:43):
I don't even remember her name, but she sent me
this young female artist and she was so dope, like
almost like eighties, old school eighties energy, but like with
a modern kind of pop twist to it. I was like,
this is great. I like, and I just love that
they love to discover music. There's there's nothing better. There's
(01:00:05):
nothing to me, I mean, to me, there's nothing better.
Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
I agree. I still have that, you know, feeling like
it's still one of my favorite things. Well, what do
you want to add that we didn't talk about because
we went all over the place.
Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I mean, I don't I'm happy.
Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
This was fun Yeah, well I knew it would be.
And it's funny because you know, obviously we have so
many mutual connections, and Ken is the best in the
way it's interested him at the is like, if you
want to actually do a music interview, Well, hopefully I
lived up to your expectations, because Cameron is way too
kind to me. The first fucking time he introduced me
(01:00:46):
to Joni, he introduced me to Jani is a great writer,
and I'm like, what the fuck are you doing to be?
Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Oh, that's the best.
Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
I've never met Jonie.
Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
I feel like it's like she's like one of those
people when people are like, there's anybody, I'm like Jonie Mitchell, I.
Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Just you know. So I literally have sat in a
room with James Brown. The only person I've ever gotten
really nervous meeting is Joni.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Yeah. I think I'd be nervous, definitely. I'm already thinking
about it. I'm getting definitely anxious.
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Well you know, and so I tend to be very
off the cuff and everything. Like like I said, I
don't I questions in my interviews. Cameron calls me Coltrane
for the way improvised interviews, which is the greatest confliment ever.
But I actually did rehearse what I said to Jonie
because the long story short is I had seen her
(01:01:46):
playing pool at one of the parties, right and sounds
so duchy, but a good friend who was doing press
for Prince and she made preads let me into one
who thirty one twenty one parties and Jonny happen to
be blaying pool and that I was interviewing Brian Blade,
her drummer, about the Joni seventy five shows at Dorothy Chandler,
(01:02:09):
and he said, oh, you should see Jonny play pinball.
So when I met Jonie, I went after her and said, oh,
I hear you're a hell of a pinball player, and
she and her friends started cracking out. It's the only
time I've ever rehearsed what I would say to someone.
But I was so nervous meet her because you know,
(01:02:30):
I've heard the stories and let's just say, she could
be really tough.
Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
That's I always feel like that, that would be That's
what I want. I'm always like, I just she's such
a hero like no one, no one, there's no one
like Jonie. She's just.
Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I will say like I said, I went to the
Gorge I reviad the show for Rolling Stone, the best
compliment I ever got. The other one is Joni loved
my review per thing of both Sides now. Watching her
do it now, it was probably literally the greatest side
performance I've ever seen. I would say Both Sides now
is one Zeppelin in my time of dying at the
(01:03:14):
reunion show? Is too Springsteen? Backstreets Springsteon is my favorite
urih of all time. But Joni both Sides now? Watching
her do it now, you know she wrote it on
Tuesday in her twenties, but when you watch the level
of depth that she brings to it now, it is
mind blowing. I just sat and watched the video. I
cried over and over like five times in a row.
Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Oh I can't, I can't. I'm sure, Like I I wonder, like,
what was what do you think has been your favorite
musical experience?
Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
I mean, you've been you've been in that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Situation so much where you're sort of reviewing, and what
do you think is like the one that changed your life?
Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Well? Wait, favorite and change my life for two different questions,
because changed my life probably happened when I was much younger. Favorite,
you know could have happened at any point.
Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
All right, well then what then give me each one?
What was the one that changed your life? Was like
change your life?
Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
You know, it's funny. The very first thing that goes
to mind. When I was a kid, my dad took
me to the US Festival. I don't know if you
remember that festival where YouTube played Bowie everybody who was
two years in a row and I remember seeing the
Kinks do celluloid Heroes and there was something about that
moment that I stuck in my head forever and ever.
(01:04:49):
It's still one of my ten favorite songs, and there's
it was probably the first moment where I realized the
power of music. Awesome, because I was probably twelve or
thirteen that one and then favorite There's so many. But
(01:05:10):
when I went to one of the when I went
to the Prince party that the publicists made me go to.
Our mad her made him let me into He and
Cebe Wonder played at four in the morning for one
hundred and fifty people in the living room.
Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Oh yeah, that does were epic, that's it unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Yeah, they played I Was Bids Lover in the living
room for like ten one hundred fifty people. It's the
craziest night of all time. And I have always said
that it's the best ten minutes music ever because of
the intimacy. But there's so many I mean, like I said,
there's so many Springsteen moments. There was a Zeppelin reunion show.
I still love the feeling of discovery. I've actually been
(01:05:52):
for the last two years helping out this artists who
I love. I just like fell in love with musically
and is my favorite person. I've been helping her and
then get into everything I did, and then helping her
get on bottle rock and play to these amazing people.
That's an awesome experience too.
Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Oh it's the best.
Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Yeah, So there's I mean, that's the thing about music,
like you never run out of the great experiences.
Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Yeah, you really don't, You really don't. You just they just.
Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
They always think they continue to present themselves.
Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Yeah, because all these opportunities always come seeing tell me
both sides now and again, through and through, you know.
Going to the show, which I hadn't written for Rolling
Stone in ninety years, Cameron asked me to do the review.
I'm like, fuck, I can't say no to Cameron, And
then I go to the show. It's amazing. And then
Cameron and my friend end up getting together and it's like,
(01:06:52):
I love that so much.
Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
It's the best.
Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Yeah, and knock ups for music and now.
Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
They're having a baby. Yeah, I can't believe it.
Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I well, yeah, I know we could just talk forever.
Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
But yes, well I hope to see you soon.
Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Yeah, well definitely when you're playing in You know, obviously
you get my number from any number of people. Yeah. Yeah,
I'm gonna send you some music too, if it's okay,
because I just love still sharing music. Please. Yeah, I
mean because I'm listening to new music every day and
(01:07:31):
there's so much cool stuff out there.
Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Oh that's the best. Please please send me everything cool.
Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
What was great find the meeting even though I feel
like I've known you because you know, we have so
many mutual connections. Congratulations on everything and talk seeing Thanks
for everything.
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