May 28, 2025 • 36 mins
On this week's In Service Of, Train frontman Pat Monahan joins Steve Baltin and Sage Bava to talk about the San Francisco band's upcoming tour, their biggest songs, Led Zeppelin and how Train is giving back to sick kids through Winyl, which merges music and wine for charity.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hi, see box and welcome to in Service.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Up this week, stage Bob and I sit down, we'll
train front man Pat Monahan talk about how the band
is steeping back through wine.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
They talk about their.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
New Winyl collaboration, how it benefits Cherry's in San Francisco,
as well as of course the band's music, their long history,
some of their favorite songs, touring, and so much more.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hope you enjoyed this one as much.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
As we did, so dude, we really appreciate you being
here today and doing this, and you know it's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
What do you do with the winy and then giving back?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So I mean, you know, talk about how that started
and for you, you know, part of the impetus for the
show was years ago I ran it Alice Cooper at
a party and I'm sure you've known Alice for years
and he was saying to me, fame is the brand
that allows you to do good because once you reach
a certain level of success, you have to find something
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more fulfilling to do because you've already had all the
commercial success. And I mean, you guys have one too,
the biggest selling songs of all time, so I'm sure
it's you know, satisfying to do the vinyl and do
these other things that you're able to do to get back.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
You know.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
It started after Hey Soul's sister came out. You know,
we were all still in the Bay Area and I
was not drinking alcohol. I hadn't for a long long time,
So my passion was not really about anything in particular.
But we knew that it was time to give back
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to the Bay Area who had done so much for us.
So we looked into a lot of charities and what
since then, what I have in common with family Houses
four children. My wife and I have two, and those
two children both had to be in the nick you
here in Seattle when they were born. My wife is
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Type one diabetic, so you know, there are complications that
come with that. So I really wanted to focus on
helping children. And when we found Family House, it was
it was such a beautiful community of you know, people
that are volunteering their time and one person who kind
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of ran the program, a doctor who bought two houses
to house all these people, which basically is like Ronald
McDonald house in San Francisco. It's for kids that need
some pretty big surgeries at UCSF Hospital that they specialize
in in a lot of child surgeries and their head
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like behind like tumors in your head. People are quitting
their jobs to move move to San Francisco and it
just was absolutely the right fit for us. And since then,
millions of bottles of wine later, they've been able to
with our help and many others help, they were able
to buy a building that they built from nothing that
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has eighty rooms and they're about to build a second
And the unfortunate part is that they need a second one.
But the fortunate part is that they're there to provide
for all these people and a it's a great community
of people helping others from all over the world who
have to go to San Francisco for these particular surgeries.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Well, how gratifying with I mean, it's horrible that you
had to go through this, but how gratifying was it
at the same time that you're in position to when
something like this happens where it affects you personally, that
you're then able to do so much to help, because
again it goes back to the Alice Scooper quote of
fame being the brand that allows you to do good
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because of the all the success you've had with train
allows you now to say, Okay, you know this affects
me personally, I want to be involved. I want to
do something, and here you can do this that helps
so many people.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Yeah, you know, I when I visit family House, it
is bittersweet because you see a lot of success stories
and then sometimes you never see those children again.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So it is.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
I really feel for these volunteers and these people that
work there that they get so close to these families
and just have to support them the best they can.
That's such a tragic time. Like they have this room
that as soon as these families come in to the building,
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they go right to this room and it's to collect
their dignity and it's such a beautiful way to think of.
You know, you're desperate to help your child survive. You
don't have the money to stay at the four seasons,
you don't have the luxury. Some of these people have
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no money and they don't have a job anymore because
they have to spend six months in San Francisco to
support their child. And then they go into this place
where they they can just sit and cry and kind
of regather their thoughts so that they can be positive
and supportive to their child. It's nothing like I've ever
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seen before. It's something that is very gratifying to just
be a part of. But you know, what we're doing
is so little. There are volunteers, and there are people
who donate many, many millions of dollars to make sure
that these people are well taken care of, and so
just to be a little part of it is very satisfying.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
It's such a beautiful and heart wrenching story. But to
learn more of about family house and have your music
and this amazing wine endeavor be there to educate more
people as obviously an amazing thing. It's fascinating to me
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the link between creation and service. I think so many
amazing songs were born of people that feel a calling
to be in service of something higher than themselves. I
was curious if that was always something that was very
deep inside your core, or it's something that you discovered
via your children and the growth of life.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
I think there was one very particular moment that woke
me up. I think I was about excuse me, it's
about twenty five years old. My father was still alive
and things were just starting. Maybe I was twenty seven,
but things were starting to pick up, and I was,
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you know, we were getting music played and on the radio,
and things were looking like they were going to be okay.
And I complained to my father about one particular train
fan that she was a lot, and my father said,
that's too bad, you don't get it. And that was
all it took for me to hear is, you know,
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a wiser man than myself say you might want to
take a better look at what you're building here, because
they're not bothering you, they're helping you. And so when
I got that through my thick skull, it became very
clear that it wasn't about me anymore. But once you
write a song, it's no longer about you. It's about
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the people that are experiencing. You know. I talk about
music a lot with other people because you can't compare
it to any other medium where you build memories while
listening to music. You don't really do that while reading
newspapers or watching movies. Those memories are silent, you know,
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and a memory with music, you know, you're losing your virginity,
you're going to prom you're you're at a funeral, like
there are so many life moments that music and those
songs are not about the writers anymore. They're about the listener.
And I think when that when that affected me and
I've really learned more about what it is that I'm creating,
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it was very clear that this isn't about me. It's
about it's about the people that are making memories to
what it was that I'm lucky enough to be able
to do.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That's interesting too because also when you go back, you know,
so much of what's meaningful is you get to hear
from people. This song changed my life, This song saved me.
And it's funny because we talk about giving back, you know,
with vinyl, but at the same time also people could,
you know, take your songs as a form of comfort
while they're dealing with this, and that means just as
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much as money it does.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
I think one of my there are two magical stories
that you know, back when we would get fan mail
through email. One was this little girl wrote a letter
thanking us for drops of Jupiter because she was watching
her father pass away, and before he passed away, he said,
You'll always be my drops a Jupiter, so you can
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you can look up to the sky and remember me.
And that was like bawling, crying, and then the second
was and there were many, but the second one was
very memorable because it was Hey Soul Sister was out
and there was a family that emailed me that they
had a highly autistic eight year old boy that had
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never spoken. So the parents were in the kitchen and
they all of a sudden heard their child for the
first time in their life, and he was singing Hey
Soul Sister while watching the video, and that was the
first time he had made any sound, and they were
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able to experience that. And that kind of thing is like,
you know, I'm not sure it gets better as a
creator because you know, as my manager mentions to me often,
that songs are magic beans and when you plant them,
who knows what they can grow into. And that was
(10:30):
another great lesson for me that if I can figure
out how to plant some magic beans, maybe some good
will happen in other people's lives.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I love how hearing about the origin stories of so
many songs, it's about like the ingredients of that time,
of that space of that person's life, how those songs
were born. And thinking about music and wine. I love
how in wine you have to be really connected to
the soil, and you have to know about the earth,
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and with music you have to be connected to the
heart and really, but there's something intangible about both of
those things. Is kind of other thing that you know,
you can't really define involved in that. And I was
curious within your you're learning more about wine. I'm curious
if that has influenced your songwriting, your your outlook, how
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creatively those things you feel have influenced one another, if
at all.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
You know, when I started to drink wine, we were,
you know, we were in still the early stages of
making wine, partnering with people. And now our new partner
is called Gestalt, which is they source their wine out
of Napa and so it's beautiful and we're having a
great time with them. When I started to drink wine,
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it really is like songwriting in a way, especially if
you're creating the wine, like you said, you have to
you have to maybe think about all of the options
you have. So you have all of these varietals of grapes,
and you want to make something that is special and different.
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Like songwriting, you know, you want to change words, you
don't want to repeat the same thing, but you also
want to tell a story that is relatable to others,
but is personal. That is very wine to me. I
don't drink other alcohols. It's only wine or champagne. And
because I find that there's something very human and tradition.
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There's so many parts of it that are rituals, and
I just don't think whiskey or tequila does that same thing.
I'm sure that, you know, drinking beer could maybe come
close because you're with your pals and you're, you know,
at a sports bar. But wine is different. Like I
was telling someone earlier that I read an article that
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there's this little patch in Italy. These people are living
for over one hundred years, like generally all of them,
and what they have in common is they drink red
wine every day and they eat minnestroni soup. So I
figured out how to make a great ministroni soup. And
I'm going to live till one hundred and twenty and
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I'm moving to that village at some point.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, speaking of living forever, I was curious if you
could sit down with anyone and have a glass of
Save Me San Francisco, red past or present, who would
it be and what would you want to talk about?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Well, first, my mother never got to meet my wife,
so I would sit with the two of them. But
a musical hero who's alive would be I would love
to sit with the remaining members of Led Zeppelin. If
I could sit with Jimmy and Robert and John Paul Jones,
that would be a pretty spectacular time. Because I got
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to play golf with Eddie van Halen a few times
and he was lovely. I've had some really great memories
of meeting great artists, but those those three guys, like
we we performed in London last year. We recorded live
at Royal Albert Hall. I was doing radio and all
my guys got to meet Jimmy Page because he was
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in the hotel lobby. So they have a big picture
with these this beautiful man and I'm off doing nonsense,
so I need, I need to get that.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Have you ever met any of them?
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I've never met any of them.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Sorry, dude, I met all three in different times. But
it is you.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Very happy for you, goodbye.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
How did you get to interview Eddie only once? Never
got to play golf with him.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
But you know it's funny because the last time I
saw you was in Orange County you're with Sammy Hagar,
who's a longtime friend. Rick Springfield, it was a benefit
things you were talking earlier.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
About has become a friend. He's a great guy.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, that was a great night. And you were talking
about you know your dad.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
There is Kevin from orio Speedwagon. Yeah, Kevin Cronin is
a good friend now yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
No, And Sammy is the one I know best though
I've known him for years. And it's interesting because you
were talking about and I love his attitude. You were
talking about, you know what your dad told you and
being around all these great musicians, have you heard stories
or inspiration of, like, you know, understanding the relationship between
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the artists and the fan. Because it is interesting that
the second song goes out into the world, it's not
yours anymore, and you know, and like Schnin Twayne was
telling me this wonderful story about being in the South
Branch and hearing you're still the one and realizing this song.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Is so much bigger than I will ever be.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
She's like, how did the song get to be here
where I'm like in a hotel And if you had
that experience where you're like listening to like Johnson Jupiter
or a hayesl sister and you're like, well, the hell
am I doing an instant ball and the song is playing.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Yeah, it's interesting. I get a lot of videos of
people in different parts of the country that are you know,
having dinner or lunch somewhere in a French cafe or
in Italy or Germany or you know wherever India, and
they'll send me a video of either someone covering it
or it being played in the in the building. And
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you know, it's never tiring. It's just always like what
a what a weird thing. It's at this point you're
not it's such a it doesn't feel like it's you anymore,
you know, like it just feels like it's its own thing.
But you know, Sammy has become a good friend. And
when I met sam I just went up to him
and I said, hey, you're the guy we're all trying
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to be. I want to find out if you're as
cool as we all think you are. And he has
put his arm around me and he goes, I'm way cool.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, I love that. Just loves life man, he has
hardy doing everything.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Yeah, he's great.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
So that's you know the other thing that stage and
I love to talk about with people is you know,
you say it's not you. And it's funny because so
much of writing is subconscious. I mean, I talked to
Mike Stoler, who co wrote stand By Me and Jailhouse
Rock ninety years old, and he's like, I have no
idea where songs come from.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
No one does. It's from the.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Etherird, to beyond, whatever you want to call it, whatever
you believe, subconscious, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
So for you, it's funny.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Are there songs of yours that you go back and
listen to that you're like, Okay, this means something different
to me now, And maybe you heard that service I'm
in there in a way that you didn't here initially
you realize it was always there, But it's like prophetic
in the songs.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
When I wrote Drops of Jupiter, I was, you know,
in my living room. I woke up, you know, I
went to sleep at midnight and woke up at twelve ten,
and I wrote the whole thing in fifteen minutes. But
it was just after my mom had passed away, and
it felt like she wrote it and she was just
telling me what to write down. It happened so quickly,
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And then the next day, I demoed it and went
to Columbia Records, and that was That was how that went.
But you know other other songs, you know, It's just
I was working so hard and going to London and
New York and Los Angeles and everywhere to write songs
that you just get caught up in like this windmill,
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and you forget, like you write a song and you
move on, and then all of a sudden somebody hears
it and says, that's pretty special. But if you just
do the work and don't think about the result, I
think you can get to a better place.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Speaking of the work and the process. I loved how
you said earlier about rituals, and I think that's such
a lost art and so many people need that sense
of a spiritual touchstone if you will that wine can
give you, And the process of writing a song I
think is in a way a ritual. I was curious
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if rituals have a deep importance for you in music making,
and you know, following your intuition, if you've subconsciously realized
certain rituals that you are always going back to.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Well, you know, my wife and her family or all
the women her for her three sisters and her mom.
They do a Solstice ritual every or every three months,
so all the Solstice times, and that's inspiring to me.
Like the boys aren't invited, but I'm sure that it's
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pretty cool. And my ritual has always been I go
to Sedona, Arizona before I write an album, basically to
go meditate for just like two days, go on hikes
and sit. And I've always asked all of the past
musicians and that are no longer here to give me
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whatever they didn't leave, whatever they didn't contribute to the world,
maybe they want to send it through me. And it's
been a pretty fun little trip doing that. Right after
I did that, I wrote play that song and it
was like, you know, what was the name Kirby Carmichael,
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what is it? Herbie Carmichael, Hogi Hogy car Michael who
wrote Heart and Soul. And then I wrote play that
song right after one of those meditation times. So I'm
sure that there's some realness to what is here and
what is not any longer. And I feel like if
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you ask, maybe you'll receive. Sometimes I love that.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Hogey Carmichael also wrote Skylark, which is always.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
One of my favorite writers of all time is Johnny Mercer,
who wrote you know, Autumn Leaves and Moon River and
a hundred other great great songs.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
All Right, I hate to ask or ask obvious questions,
but now I got to ask, if there's one artist
that you feel like you can communicate with in this
meditation and get a song from them, who would it be?
Speaker 5 (21:59):
It might be Mercer. I feel like I feel like
he'd backed that whole thing, you know. Like what was
great about Johnny is that he he would use lyrics,
like instead of saying the northern lights, he would say
the Aurora borealis, Like that's just beautiful. But it's not
easy to write that and sing it. But man, he
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made it so that it just felt natural. I think
that kind of human would in the other level of
whatever this is that we're doing here, would be responsive
to that. Hendrick, Jimmy Hendricks was pretty psychedelic, though he
might be willing.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Have you always been a fan of the Great American Songbook?
Was that something that you came up with and really
influenced you.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
I'm not sure, you know, maybe, like I'm a fan
of so many things, Like it's hard to I have
a thirteen year old son that is so into classic
metal right now, but I just turned him on to
On our first tour ever, we listened to three albums.
One was Greatly Buffalo, one was Grace by Jeff Buckley,
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and another was a band called Sparkle Horse and Sparklehorse
no one's ever heard.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Of, and I've interviewed Mark linkus.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
And so my son I was like, hey, you want
to hear something weird? So I started playing them some
Sparkle Horse, and so yesterday, in front of my whole family,
he played a Sparkle Horse song for us called Spirit Ditch,
which is like from the album that we adored, and
it was so cool to hear this man's music that
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he's no longer here, but my son was performing it
like so beautifully. It's really a cool thing when you
can pass music down to your children.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
And conversely, do they pass music up to you. And
I'm sure they've heard of a.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Lot of times, like yeah, like there's a there's a
band that my daughter turned me onto not so long
ago from Montreal called I can't remember what they're called.
This is a little while ago, but they're such a
beautiful band and uh so yeah, sometimes they will turn
me onto things men I trust. Is that what they trust? Yeah,
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they're great.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Well, well let's go back to the beginning for a second.
Why don't you take people through exactly what winyl is
and how it gets back because we kind of jumped
right into it, but we didn't talk about how people
are able to get involved and contribute to family House
through you.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
So if you go to save me san Francisco dot com,
you can purchase the save Me San Francisco wine that
is made by Gestalt and Dave Finney is the winemaker.
He is responsible for the Prisoner which is world famous,
and Orrin Swift, which is also a label that is
world renown, and he's just a beautiful winemaker with an
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incredible attitude. They source their fruit out of mostly Napa,
but also Sonoma, so you're getting, you know, the best
grapes that America can provide, and the partnership continues to
benefit you know, these families in San Francisco, And if
you just go online, that's how you can get it.
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We've done every grocery store and Costco and everything in
the past, and I feel like the best way to
spread the word is just the modern way of ordering
on the internet. It's kind of like the way music
has changed. You know, we used to fight for shelf space,
and now no one has to fight anymore. We can
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all enjoy each other's work. And you the space on
the internet is you know, it's on. There's no limit,
it's limitless.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I don't know much about wine making, but I love
how you have to know a lot about the clay,
the dirt, and anytime people are connected more to nature.
I am all for. I was curious if there was
things that surprised you, things that you really fell in
love with with creating these wines.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yeah, I think you know, my as you learn more
about wine, you change, and so I think my palette
right now, at this phase I'm in, I gravitate towards Sangiovese,
which is, you know, mostly it was born in Italy
and then people brought it here. But we you know,
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we always start with one bottle of wine and then
move from there to see what the growth will be like.
But there's you know, it's so exciting to have so
many choices, and it's also you know, it's daunting for
these people because there's so many choices. It's like, what
do we start with and where do we go? And
what haven't we done? And these guys at Gestalt are
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such great artists that they care so much about the wine.
So without the wine, who cares about the art. But
once the wine is right, then the labels are important,
the shapes of the bottles, the packaging. It's really inspiring
to see them because they're kind of like the artist
and the record label. Where once I write the songs,
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you know, my people around me start to think about
what visually it looks like because it's not a strength
of mine and I don't spend a lot of time
with how do I want it to look? Like Roger
Waters from Pink Floyd very visual, like he would write
a song and that he would know exactly what he
wanted it to look like, and he was a genius.
But I don't have that.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
We're gonna let you go in a second, but I
do have to ask you one thing. It's so funny
everybody always puts wine and food together. However, you know
music is also a key ingredient to wine. So what
are the first three songs on your playlist to go
with the sanchaves?
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Well, you know, we I was just doing a podcast
with some wine connoisseurs, the guy who directed Psalm and
some other fellas, and we were talking about music that
mentions wine, and so going to California is kind of
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my go to, you know, spend Monday.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
He's with a woman on ken smoke my stuff and
drink oh my wine. And if a woman drinks all
my wine, I wouldn't be able to be with her either,
you know what I mean. Robert Plant knew what he
was talking about. And then Champagne super Nova, that's you know,
those guys are going to tour the world again, and
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that song incredible. Billy Joel has a couple of great ones,
like scenes from an Italian restaurant, you know. So those
are three of the ones that I would enjoy a
glass of Barolo two or Barbara Esco something, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, we talked about musicians before that you are friends with,
and then I'm thinking about it. It's like Dave Matthews
has a wine Brandy Carlisle. So do you guys like
to wines and compare notes?
Speaker 5 (29:33):
No, I've met Dave, you know, several times. He's a
lovely guy. I don't know his I don't know his
participation in that. And I've known Brandy for a long time.
She's sang it mine in my wife's wedding. I haven't
tasted her wine yet, but those guys are pretty busy,
so we don't spend a lot of time drinking wine together.
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But that'd be fun.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Cool. Well, is there a sorry, there's someone at my door?
I'm on a zoom. Thanks.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I was gonna say, is there anything that you want
to add that stage? I don't know if you have
anything you want to fish off with?
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Finish off stage? What do you got?
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Thank you? I kind of love and hate this question
because I think words. Steve and I joke that words
are dumb because it just takes everything so much smaller
than they are. But we also love words, so push
and pull. But you know, we heard about family house
and you know, being in service. If you had to
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define what you're in service of in kind of a
bird's eye view, what would you.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Say bringing people together of all ages? I think, you know,
the thing that I'm most proud of with Train and
the music that we've created is we'll have great grandparents
and great grandchildren and everything in between at shows. And
I love to cook for people, you know, drinking wine
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brings people together. Music brings bringing people together, Like all
we have are memories, like those things that we create
together and what we leave with those are the things
that are the most precious. Like the other day I
had a problem at my house. A pipe broke, and
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so I woke up to it raining in my house
and it was not fun. And a friend of mine,
who is very wise and lovely, said, if money can
solve a problem, it's not a problem, and it's true,
Like it could have been a really bad phone call,
or a car accident or a test result. Like what
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really is important are the memories that we're making together
with the people you want to spend time with. That's
also really important is spending time with the people you
want to spend time with. That's why people don't like
their jobs, and why I love my job, like I
get to be with my friends and and sometimes you
just gotta get through the tough parts so you can
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get to the fun part.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I love that because Stage and I had a conversation
last year dinner with Cameron Crow is a friend of ours,
and we're talking about beds, and I think the older
you get, the more you realize it's the little things,
or what people think are the little things. I've been
to party at Prince's house, I've been to I met
every member of Zeppelin. I'd rather have dinner with my
favorite person.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Yeah, like that that makes sense. I haven't met lud Zeppelin,
so I want to have dinner with Led Zeppelin.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Like they dinner with Guy's got the interview them. It's
not the same, but it was fine. Well, I'm just
curious and I'll let you go there in one second.
But for you, was there one moment or like one
age where you started to realize, like, you know what
all the rock.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Star stuff as cool, it's the little things. I'd rather
be home with my kids. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I think it happened on tour, Like we toured with
one particular outfit that was very unpleasant, and I was like,
you know, I'm never going to do that to people.
So you learn every tour right. So like when Ario
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Speedway Getting Train went out, you know, Ario is of
a different age, and Kevin was pretty nervous about it
at first because you know, he's he's in his seventies
and he doesn't want to spend time with people who
aren't great, and he doesn't know me like that, and
now he does. And we had a beautiful tour together
and it was just like two families coming together to
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make one big family. That's important to me, so learning that.
Like I toured with this band one hundred years ago
called Everything, and there was a guy in the band
named Wolf and Wolf was a hammibe three player and
played trombone, and he was telling me the story that
they went out with Cracker and he said the first day,
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because they were playing, you know, like Filmore type places,
he said to their him and be their B three player.
Would it be okay if we share a B three
so that we could save room on stage? And the
guy said, this is the way the tour is gonna work.
I'm gonna play my shit and you're gonna play your shit.
He said, guess whose shit broke. Three days later and
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the guy came up and said, hey, man, can I
use your B three? And Wolf goes, guess what I said?
And we had all these stories and he said, I said,
of course you can, because that's what you were supposed
to say. And I was like, hopefully that guy learned
like I've learned every tour. You have to learn something,
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and so you do reach an age where you're like,
this is about giving, This isn't about taking, it's not
about us. It's about the people that paid to see us,
and let's go give them the best time they can
have together.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I think that's a beautiful wrap up. Note we're actually
almost had a time on the zoom. So is there
anything that you want to add? We did not ask
you about.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
No. I just really appreciate the backwards hat. I think
it's a great look for you. I think thank you.
I think it's working. I was really hoping Sage would
have had a backwards hat on, but it didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Today it's probably three this morning, and I'm not thank
you so much. It's a pleasure and really inspiring.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Thanks a lot, all right, talk to you.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Thanks, bye,
Hi, see box and welcome to in Service.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Up this week, stage Bob and I sit down, we'll
train front man Pat Monahan talk about how the band
is steeping back through wine.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
They talk about their.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
New Winyl collaboration, how it benefits Cherry's in San Francisco,
as well as of course the band's music, their long history,
some of their favorite songs, touring, and so much more.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hope you enjoyed this one as much.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
As we did, so dude, we really appreciate you being
here today and doing this, and you know it's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
What do you do with the winy and then giving back?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So I mean, you know, talk about how that started
and for you, you know, part of the impetus for the
show was years ago I ran it Alice Cooper at
a party and I'm sure you've known Alice for years
and he was saying to me, fame is the brand
that allows you to do good because once you reach
a certain level of success, you have to find something
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more fulfilling to do because you've already had all the
commercial success. And I mean, you guys have one too,
the biggest selling songs of all time, so I'm sure
it's you know, satisfying to do the vinyl and do
these other things that you're able to do to get back.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
You know.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
It started after Hey Soul's sister came out. You know,
we were all still in the Bay Area and I
was not drinking alcohol. I hadn't for a long long time,
So my passion was not really about anything in particular.
But we knew that it was time to give back
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to the Bay Area who had done so much for us.
So we looked into a lot of charities and what
since then, what I have in common with family Houses
four children. My wife and I have two, and those
two children both had to be in the nick you
here in Seattle when they were born. My wife is
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Type one diabetic, so you know, there are complications that
come with that. So I really wanted to focus on
helping children. And when we found Family House, it was
it was such a beautiful community of you know, people
that are volunteering their time and one person who kind
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of ran the program, a doctor who bought two houses
to house all these people, which basically is like Ronald
McDonald house in San Francisco. It's for kids that need
some pretty big surgeries at UCSF Hospital that they specialize
in in a lot of child surgeries and their head
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like behind like tumors in your head. People are quitting
their jobs to move move to San Francisco and it
just was absolutely the right fit for us. And since then,
millions of bottles of wine later, they've been able to
with our help and many others help, they were able
to buy a building that they built from nothing that
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has eighty rooms and they're about to build a second
And the unfortunate part is that they need a second one.
But the fortunate part is that they're there to provide
for all these people and a it's a great community
of people helping others from all over the world who
have to go to San Francisco for these particular surgeries.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Well, how gratifying with I mean, it's horrible that you
had to go through this, but how gratifying was it
at the same time that you're in position to when
something like this happens where it affects you personally, that
you're then able to do so much to help, because
again it goes back to the Alice Scooper quote of
fame being the brand that allows you to do good
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because of the all the success you've had with train
allows you now to say, Okay, you know this affects
me personally, I want to be involved. I want to
do something, and here you can do this that helps
so many people.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Yeah, you know, I when I visit family House, it
is bittersweet because you see a lot of success stories
and then sometimes you never see those children again.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So it is.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
I really feel for these volunteers and these people that
work there that they get so close to these families
and just have to support them the best they can.
That's such a tragic time. Like they have this room
that as soon as these families come in to the building,
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they go right to this room and it's to collect
their dignity and it's such a beautiful way to think of.
You know, you're desperate to help your child survive. You
don't have the money to stay at the four seasons,
you don't have the luxury. Some of these people have
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no money and they don't have a job anymore because
they have to spend six months in San Francisco to
support their child. And then they go into this place
where they they can just sit and cry and kind
of regather their thoughts so that they can be positive
and supportive to their child. It's nothing like I've ever
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seen before. It's something that is very gratifying to just
be a part of. But you know, what we're doing
is so little. There are volunteers, and there are people
who donate many, many millions of dollars to make sure
that these people are well taken care of, and so
just to be a little part of it is very satisfying.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
It's such a beautiful and heart wrenching story. But to
learn more of about family house and have your music
and this amazing wine endeavor be there to educate more
people as obviously an amazing thing. It's fascinating to me
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the link between creation and service. I think so many
amazing songs were born of people that feel a calling
to be in service of something higher than themselves. I
was curious if that was always something that was very
deep inside your core, or it's something that you discovered
via your children and the growth of life.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
I think there was one very particular moment that woke
me up. I think I was about excuse me, it's
about twenty five years old. My father was still alive
and things were just starting. Maybe I was twenty seven,
but things were starting to pick up, and I was,
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you know, we were getting music played and on the radio,
and things were looking like they were going to be okay.
And I complained to my father about one particular train
fan that she was a lot, and my father said,
that's too bad, you don't get it. And that was
all it took for me to hear is, you know,
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a wiser man than myself say you might want to
take a better look at what you're building here, because
they're not bothering you, they're helping you. And so when
I got that through my thick skull, it became very
clear that it wasn't about me anymore. But once you
write a song, it's no longer about you. It's about
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the people that are experiencing. You know. I talk about
music a lot with other people because you can't compare
it to any other medium where you build memories while
listening to music. You don't really do that while reading
newspapers or watching movies. Those memories are silent, you know,
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and a memory with music, you know, you're losing your virginity,
you're going to prom you're you're at a funeral, like
there are so many life moments that music and those
songs are not about the writers anymore. They're about the listener.
And I think when that when that affected me and
I've really learned more about what it is that I'm creating,
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it was very clear that this isn't about me. It's
about it's about the people that are making memories to
what it was that I'm lucky enough to be able
to do.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That's interesting too because also when you go back, you know,
so much of what's meaningful is you get to hear
from people. This song changed my life, This song saved me.
And it's funny because we talk about giving back, you know,
with vinyl, but at the same time also people could,
you know, take your songs as a form of comfort
while they're dealing with this, and that means just as
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much as money it does.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
I think one of my there are two magical stories
that you know, back when we would get fan mail
through email. One was this little girl wrote a letter
thanking us for drops of Jupiter because she was watching
her father pass away, and before he passed away, he said,
You'll always be my drops a Jupiter, so you can
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you can look up to the sky and remember me.
And that was like bawling, crying, and then the second
was and there were many, but the second one was
very memorable because it was Hey Soul Sister was out
and there was a family that emailed me that they
had a highly autistic eight year old boy that had
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never spoken. So the parents were in the kitchen and
they all of a sudden heard their child for the
first time in their life, and he was singing Hey
Soul Sister while watching the video, and that was the
first time he had made any sound, and they were
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able to experience that. And that kind of thing is like,
you know, I'm not sure it gets better as a
creator because you know, as my manager mentions to me often,
that songs are magic beans and when you plant them,
who knows what they can grow into. And that was
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another great lesson for me that if I can figure
out how to plant some magic beans, maybe some good
will happen in other people's lives.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I love how hearing about the origin stories of so
many songs, it's about like the ingredients of that time,
of that space of that person's life, how those songs
were born. And thinking about music and wine. I love
how in wine you have to be really connected to
the soil, and you have to know about the earth,
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and with music you have to be connected to the
heart and really, but there's something intangible about both of
those things. Is kind of other thing that you know,
you can't really define involved in that. And I was
curious within your you're learning more about wine. I'm curious
if that has influenced your songwriting, your your outlook, how
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creatively those things you feel have influenced one another, if
at all.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
You know, when I started to drink wine, we were,
you know, we were in still the early stages of
making wine, partnering with people. And now our new partner
is called Gestalt, which is they source their wine out
of Napa and so it's beautiful and we're having a
great time with them. When I started to drink wine,
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it really is like songwriting in a way, especially if
you're creating the wine, like you said, you have to
you have to maybe think about all of the options
you have. So you have all of these varietals of grapes,
and you want to make something that is special and different.
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Like songwriting, you know, you want to change words, you
don't want to repeat the same thing, but you also
want to tell a story that is relatable to others,
but is personal. That is very wine to me. I
don't drink other alcohols. It's only wine or champagne. And
because I find that there's something very human and tradition.
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There's so many parts of it that are rituals, and
I just don't think whiskey or tequila does that same thing.
I'm sure that, you know, drinking beer could maybe come
close because you're with your pals and you're, you know,
at a sports bar. But wine is different. Like I
was telling someone earlier that I read an article that
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there's this little patch in Italy. These people are living
for over one hundred years, like generally all of them,
and what they have in common is they drink red
wine every day and they eat minnestroni soup. So I
figured out how to make a great ministroni soup. And
I'm going to live till one hundred and twenty and
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I'm moving to that village at some point.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, speaking of living forever, I was curious if you
could sit down with anyone and have a glass of
Save Me San Francisco, red past or present, who would
it be and what would you want to talk about?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Well, first, my mother never got to meet my wife,
so I would sit with the two of them. But
a musical hero who's alive would be I would love
to sit with the remaining members of Led Zeppelin. If
I could sit with Jimmy and Robert and John Paul Jones,
that would be a pretty spectacular time. Because I got
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to play golf with Eddie van Halen a few times
and he was lovely. I've had some really great memories
of meeting great artists, but those those three guys, like
we we performed in London last year. We recorded live
at Royal Albert Hall. I was doing radio and all
my guys got to meet Jimmy Page because he was
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in the hotel lobby. So they have a big picture
with these this beautiful man and I'm off doing nonsense,
so I need, I need to get that.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Have you ever met any of them?
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I've never met any of them.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Sorry, dude, I met all three in different times. But
it is you.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Very happy for you, goodbye.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
How did you get to interview Eddie only once? Never
got to play golf with him.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
But you know it's funny because the last time I
saw you was in Orange County you're with Sammy Hagar,
who's a longtime friend. Rick Springfield, it was a benefit
things you were talking earlier.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
About has become a friend. He's a great guy.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, that was a great night. And you were talking
about you know your dad.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
There is Kevin from orio Speedwagon. Yeah, Kevin Cronin is
a good friend now yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
No, And Sammy is the one I know best though
I've known him for years. And it's interesting because you
were talking about and I love his attitude. You were
talking about, you know what your dad told you and
being around all these great musicians, have you heard stories
or inspiration of, like, you know, understanding the relationship between
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the artists and the fan. Because it is interesting that
the second song goes out into the world, it's not
yours anymore, and you know, and like Schnin Twayne was
telling me this wonderful story about being in the South
Branch and hearing you're still the one and realizing this song.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Is so much bigger than I will ever be.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
She's like, how did the song get to be here
where I'm like in a hotel And if you had
that experience where you're like listening to like Johnson Jupiter
or a hayesl sister and you're like, well, the hell
am I doing an instant ball and the song is playing.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Yeah, it's interesting. I get a lot of videos of
people in different parts of the country that are you know,
having dinner or lunch somewhere in a French cafe or
in Italy or Germany or you know wherever India, and
they'll send me a video of either someone covering it
or it being played in the in the building. And
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you know, it's never tiring. It's just always like what
a what a weird thing. It's at this point you're
not it's such a it doesn't feel like it's you anymore,
you know, like it just feels like it's its own thing.
But you know, Sammy has become a good friend. And
when I met sam I just went up to him
and I said, hey, you're the guy we're all trying
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to be. I want to find out if you're as
cool as we all think you are. And he has
put his arm around me and he goes, I'm way cool.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, I love that. Just loves life man, he has
hardy doing everything.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Yeah, he's great.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
So that's you know the other thing that stage and
I love to talk about with people is you know,
you say it's not you. And it's funny because so
much of writing is subconscious. I mean, I talked to
Mike Stoler, who co wrote stand By Me and Jailhouse
Rock ninety years old, and he's like, I have no
idea where songs come from.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
No one does. It's from the.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Etherird, to beyond, whatever you want to call it, whatever
you believe, subconscious, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
So for you, it's funny.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Are there songs of yours that you go back and
listen to that you're like, Okay, this means something different
to me now, And maybe you heard that service I'm
in there in a way that you didn't here initially
you realize it was always there, But it's like prophetic
in the songs.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
When I wrote Drops of Jupiter, I was, you know,
in my living room. I woke up, you know, I
went to sleep at midnight and woke up at twelve ten,
and I wrote the whole thing in fifteen minutes. But
it was just after my mom had passed away, and
it felt like she wrote it and she was just
telling me what to write down. It happened so quickly,
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And then the next day, I demoed it and went
to Columbia Records, and that was That was how that went.
But you know other other songs, you know, It's just
I was working so hard and going to London and
New York and Los Angeles and everywhere to write songs
that you just get caught up in like this windmill,
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and you forget, like you write a song and you
move on, and then all of a sudden somebody hears
it and says, that's pretty special. But if you just
do the work and don't think about the result, I
think you can get to a better place.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Speaking of the work and the process. I loved how
you said earlier about rituals, and I think that's such
a lost art and so many people need that sense
of a spiritual touchstone if you will that wine can
give you, And the process of writing a song I
think is in a way a ritual. I was curious
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if rituals have a deep importance for you in music making,
and you know, following your intuition, if you've subconsciously realized
certain rituals that you are always going back to.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Well, you know, my wife and her family or all
the women her for her three sisters and her mom.
They do a Solstice ritual every or every three months,
so all the Solstice times, and that's inspiring to me.
Like the boys aren't invited, but I'm sure that it's
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pretty cool. And my ritual has always been I go
to Sedona, Arizona before I write an album, basically to
go meditate for just like two days, go on hikes
and sit. And I've always asked all of the past
musicians and that are no longer here to give me
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whatever they didn't leave, whatever they didn't contribute to the world,
maybe they want to send it through me. And it's
been a pretty fun little trip doing that. Right after
I did that, I wrote play that song and it
was like, you know, what was the name Kirby Carmichael,
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what is it? Herbie Carmichael, Hogi Hogy car Michael who
wrote Heart and Soul. And then I wrote play that
song right after one of those meditation times. So I'm
sure that there's some realness to what is here and
what is not any longer. And I feel like if
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you ask, maybe you'll receive. Sometimes I love that.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Hogey Carmichael also wrote Skylark, which is always.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
One of my favorite writers of all time is Johnny Mercer,
who wrote you know, Autumn Leaves and Moon River and
a hundred other great great songs.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
All Right, I hate to ask or ask obvious questions,
but now I got to ask, if there's one artist
that you feel like you can communicate with in this
meditation and get a song from them, who would it be?
Speaker 5 (21:59):
It might be Mercer. I feel like I feel like
he'd backed that whole thing, you know. Like what was
great about Johnny is that he he would use lyrics,
like instead of saying the northern lights, he would say
the Aurora borealis, Like that's just beautiful. But it's not
easy to write that and sing it. But man, he
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made it so that it just felt natural. I think
that kind of human would in the other level of
whatever this is that we're doing here, would be responsive
to that. Hendrick, Jimmy Hendricks was pretty psychedelic, though he
might be willing.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Have you always been a fan of the Great American Songbook?
Was that something that you came up with and really
influenced you.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
I'm not sure, you know, maybe, like I'm a fan
of so many things, Like it's hard to I have
a thirteen year old son that is so into classic
metal right now, but I just turned him on to
On our first tour ever, we listened to three albums.
One was Greatly Buffalo, one was Grace by Jeff Buckley,
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and another was a band called Sparkle Horse and Sparklehorse
no one's ever heard.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Of, and I've interviewed Mark linkus.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
And so my son I was like, hey, you want
to hear something weird? So I started playing them some
Sparkle Horse, and so yesterday, in front of my whole family,
he played a Sparkle Horse song for us called Spirit Ditch,
which is like from the album that we adored, and
it was so cool to hear this man's music that
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he's no longer here, but my son was performing it
like so beautifully. It's really a cool thing when you
can pass music down to your children.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
And conversely, do they pass music up to you. And
I'm sure they've heard of a.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Lot of times, like yeah, like there's a there's a
band that my daughter turned me onto not so long
ago from Montreal called I can't remember what they're called.
This is a little while ago, but they're such a
beautiful band and uh so yeah, sometimes they will turn
me onto things men I trust. Is that what they trust? Yeah,
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they're great.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Well, well let's go back to the beginning for a second.
Why don't you take people through exactly what winyl is
and how it gets back because we kind of jumped
right into it, but we didn't talk about how people
are able to get involved and contribute to family House
through you.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
So if you go to save me san Francisco dot com,
you can purchase the save Me San Francisco wine that
is made by Gestalt and Dave Finney is the winemaker.
He is responsible for the Prisoner which is world famous,
and Orrin Swift, which is also a label that is
world renown, and he's just a beautiful winemaker with an
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incredible attitude. They source their fruit out of mostly Napa,
but also Sonoma, so you're getting, you know, the best
grapes that America can provide, and the partnership continues to
benefit you know, these families in San Francisco, And if
you just go online, that's how you can get it.
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We've done every grocery store and Costco and everything in
the past, and I feel like the best way to
spread the word is just the modern way of ordering
on the internet. It's kind of like the way music
has changed. You know, we used to fight for shelf space,
and now no one has to fight anymore. We can
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all enjoy each other's work. And you the space on
the internet is you know, it's on. There's no limit,
it's limitless.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I don't know much about wine making, but I love
how you have to know a lot about the clay,
the dirt, and anytime people are connected more to nature.
I am all for. I was curious if there was
things that surprised you, things that you really fell in
love with with creating these wines.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yeah, I think you know, my as you learn more
about wine, you change, and so I think my palette
right now, at this phase I'm in, I gravitate towards Sangiovese,
which is, you know, mostly it was born in Italy
and then people brought it here. But we you know,
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we always start with one bottle of wine and then
move from there to see what the growth will be like.
But there's you know, it's so exciting to have so
many choices, and it's also you know, it's daunting for
these people because there's so many choices. It's like, what
do we start with and where do we go? And
what haven't we done? And these guys at Gestalt are
(27:10):
such great artists that they care so much about the wine.
So without the wine, who cares about the art. But
once the wine is right, then the labels are important,
the shapes of the bottles, the packaging. It's really inspiring
to see them because they're kind of like the artist
and the record label. Where once I write the songs,
(27:33):
you know, my people around me start to think about
what visually it looks like because it's not a strength
of mine and I don't spend a lot of time
with how do I want it to look? Like Roger
Waters from Pink Floyd very visual, like he would write
a song and that he would know exactly what he
wanted it to look like, and he was a genius.
But I don't have that.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
We're gonna let you go in a second, but I
do have to ask you one thing. It's so funny
everybody always puts wine and food together. However, you know
music is also a key ingredient to wine. So what
are the first three songs on your playlist to go
with the sanchaves?
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Well, you know, we I was just doing a podcast
with some wine connoisseurs, the guy who directed Psalm and
some other fellas, and we were talking about music that
mentions wine, and so going to California is kind of
(28:35):
my go to, you know, spend Monday.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
He's with a woman on ken smoke my stuff and
drink oh my wine. And if a woman drinks all
my wine, I wouldn't be able to be with her either,
you know what I mean. Robert Plant knew what he
was talking about. And then Champagne super Nova, that's you know,
those guys are going to tour the world again, and
(28:59):
that song incredible. Billy Joel has a couple of great ones,
like scenes from an Italian restaurant, you know. So those
are three of the ones that I would enjoy a
glass of Barolo two or Barbara Esco something, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, we talked about musicians before that you are friends with,
and then I'm thinking about it. It's like Dave Matthews
has a wine Brandy Carlisle. So do you guys like
to wines and compare notes?
Speaker 5 (29:33):
No, I've met Dave, you know, several times. He's a
lovely guy. I don't know his I don't know his
participation in that. And I've known Brandy for a long time.
She's sang it mine in my wife's wedding. I haven't
tasted her wine yet, but those guys are pretty busy,
so we don't spend a lot of time drinking wine together.
(29:55):
But that'd be fun.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Cool. Well, is there a sorry, there's someone at my door?
I'm on a zoom. Thanks.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I was gonna say, is there anything that you want
to add that stage? I don't know if you have
anything you want to fish off with?
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Finish off stage? What do you got?
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Thank you? I kind of love and hate this question
because I think words. Steve and I joke that words
are dumb because it just takes everything so much smaller
than they are. But we also love words, so push
and pull. But you know, we heard about family house
and you know, being in service. If you had to
(30:37):
define what you're in service of in kind of a
bird's eye view, what would you.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Say bringing people together of all ages? I think, you know,
the thing that I'm most proud of with Train and
the music that we've created is we'll have great grandparents
and great grandchildren and everything in between at shows. And
I love to cook for people, you know, drinking wine
(31:03):
brings people together. Music brings bringing people together, Like all
we have are memories, like those things that we create
together and what we leave with those are the things
that are the most precious. Like the other day I
had a problem at my house. A pipe broke, and
(31:24):
so I woke up to it raining in my house
and it was not fun. And a friend of mine,
who is very wise and lovely, said, if money can
solve a problem, it's not a problem, and it's true,
Like it could have been a really bad phone call,
or a car accident or a test result. Like what
(31:46):
really is important are the memories that we're making together
with the people you want to spend time with. That's
also really important is spending time with the people you
want to spend time with. That's why people don't like
their jobs, and why I love my job, like I
get to be with my friends and and sometimes you
just gotta get through the tough parts so you can
(32:06):
get to the fun part.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I love that because Stage and I had a conversation
last year dinner with Cameron Crow is a friend of ours,
and we're talking about beds, and I think the older
you get, the more you realize it's the little things,
or what people think are the little things. I've been
to party at Prince's house, I've been to I met
every member of Zeppelin. I'd rather have dinner with my
favorite person.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Yeah, like that that makes sense. I haven't met lud Zeppelin,
so I want to have dinner with Led Zeppelin.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Like they dinner with Guy's got the interview them. It's
not the same, but it was fine. Well, I'm just
curious and I'll let you go there in one second.
But for you, was there one moment or like one
age where you started to realize, like, you know what
all the rock.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Star stuff as cool, it's the little things. I'd rather
be home with my kids. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I think it happened on tour, Like we toured with
one particular outfit that was very unpleasant, and I was like,
you know, I'm never going to do that to people.
So you learn every tour right. So like when Ario
(33:17):
Speedway Getting Train went out, you know, Ario is of
a different age, and Kevin was pretty nervous about it
at first because you know, he's he's in his seventies
and he doesn't want to spend time with people who
aren't great, and he doesn't know me like that, and
now he does. And we had a beautiful tour together
and it was just like two families coming together to
(33:38):
make one big family. That's important to me, so learning that.
Like I toured with this band one hundred years ago
called Everything, and there was a guy in the band
named Wolf and Wolf was a hammibe three player and
played trombone, and he was telling me the story that
they went out with Cracker and he said the first day,
(34:00):
because they were playing, you know, like Filmore type places,
he said to their him and be their B three player.
Would it be okay if we share a B three
so that we could save room on stage? And the
guy said, this is the way the tour is gonna work.
I'm gonna play my shit and you're gonna play your shit.
He said, guess whose shit broke. Three days later and
(34:24):
the guy came up and said, hey, man, can I
use your B three? And Wolf goes, guess what I said?
And we had all these stories and he said, I said,
of course you can, because that's what you were supposed
to say. And I was like, hopefully that guy learned
like I've learned every tour. You have to learn something,
(34:44):
and so you do reach an age where you're like,
this is about giving, This isn't about taking, it's not
about us. It's about the people that paid to see us,
and let's go give them the best time they can
have together.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I think that's a beautiful wrap up. Note we're actually
almost had a time on the zoom. So is there
anything that you want to add? We did not ask
you about.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
No. I just really appreciate the backwards hat. I think
it's a great look for you. I think thank you.
I think it's working. I was really hoping Sage would
have had a backwards hat on, but it didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Today it's probably three this morning, and I'm not thank
you so much. It's a pleasure and really inspiring.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Thanks a lot, all right, talk to you.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Thanks, bye,
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