November 12, 2025 • 31 mins
From viral fame to criminal allegations, Andrew and Tristan Tate’s rise and reckoning exposes the darkest corners of the Manosphere—abuse, manipulation, and millions of young men drawn to an ideology where control is love, and violence is strength.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From the dark corners of the web, an emerging mindset I.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Am a loser if also we know wouldn't pay me either.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
A hidden world of resentment, cynicism, anger against women at
a deadly tipping.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Point in Cells will be added to the Terrorism Guide.
Speaker 5 (00:16):
I see literally zero hope.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
This is in Cells a production of KT Studios and
iHeart Podcasts, Season one, Episode eight. I hit you because
I love you.
Speaker 6 (00:32):
He controls her, he owns her, and anything that causes
a reaction in him is frankly her fault.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
Listen, I haven't been convicted of anything, and there's lots
of allegations against me, that they're just out to get me,
that they don't really have anything on me.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
It continued to choke plaintiff harder and harder, making plaintiff
nearly lose consciousness.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I'm Courtney Armstrong, a producer at Kat's Studios, with Stephanie Leidecker,
Gabriel Castillo, Connor Powell, Carolyn Miller. In episode six, we
explored the Manosphere, a sprawling digital network that claims to
help men navigate dating, fitness, and fatherhood. However, it often
spreads to hostility and misogyny. Andrew Tate is widely known
(01:17):
as the king of the manosphere, and we touched on
his empire from Hustle University to his webcam businesses. We
decided to take a deeper dive into who Andrew Tate
and his brother Tristan are, how their upbringing shaped them,
as well as legal allegations piling up against them. Please note,
despite legal action pending in three countries, neither Andrew Tate
(01:38):
nor Tristan Tate have been convicted of any of the
crimes discussed in this episode. Here's Stephanie.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
I always find it interesting that the Tape Brothers are
considered misogynists because, frankly, their background wouldn't suggest that that's
how this would really turn out. The Tape Brothers were,
by their own admission, raised in poverty.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Andrew Tate was born in Washington, d c. At the
Walter Reed Army Medical Center on December fourteenth, nineteen eighty six.
His father was a black man named Emery Tait, who
was an international master of chess and a highly competitive
figure known for his aggressive playing style. His mother, Eileen,
is a white englishwoman who worked as a catering assistant.
(02:23):
Andrew's brother, Tristan, was born in Chicago on July fifteenth,
nineteen eighty eight, and they have a younger sister who
is an attorney and lives a private life. Here again Stephanie,
followed by crime analyst Body Moven.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
Mom and dad divorced in nineteen ninety seven, and they
basically split time between the United Kingdom and the United States.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
His dad lived like a pretty nomadic lifestyle, surviving on
tournament weddings from chess tournaments. He didn't really have a
stable life.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
He was a little anti regime and they refer to
him as being very ambitious, but clearly not that ambitious
because they were growing up in poverty in a different
country and not seeing their co parent hardly at all.
So it's just interesting to me that Dad is getting
that large of a voice in their heads given the
fact that they were being raised by a single mom
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who's working her way to put them through school and
frankly doing a nice job of it, and they say
very loving things of her, yet their worldview on women
is really low.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Andrews saw his father, Emory Tate about once a year,
but he's been a hugely influential presence in his life.
Here's a podcast excerpt of Tate speaking about his father
with therapist David Sutcliffe. Was your father present with you?
Speaker 7 (03:46):
No, that didn't bother them at all.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It didn't bother you.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
No, he had things to do.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
I didn't understand.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
You know your history, that you were raised by seeing
your mother. Your father wasn't around, so you see him
once a year about that, Yeah, but I always understood
he's very busy and has a lot to do, like
you understand, like a little boy. I think a little
boy might think, why where's daddy?
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I want daddy, I'm here alone with mom?
Speaker 7 (04:07):
And he might be right because some fathers may not care.
But my father did care. He was just very busy.
But it must have been confusing for you. No, not
for the little boy. No, I never for a second
felt like he didn't care about me.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Ever, and that on some level, some of what you're
doing in the world is motivated by that, like wanting
to win the love of your father.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
I think that's semi true, because I believe I have
a duty to my ancestors. I have the last name Tate,
it was bestowed upon me, and I have responsibilities to
live up to the last name Tate. I do believe
I have a duty to my ancestors. So is that
trying to win the love of my father? Perhaps I
never felt unloved by my father ever. In fact, I
would argue I had the best father on earth. I
never felt like I was owed all of his time.
(04:50):
I can earn his time, or that I can't have
as much of it as I want.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You have to earn his time. That was a son
should have to earn his father's time.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
Yeah, why not.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Andrew Tate often says that his dad taught him if
you can control your mind, you can control the world,
and drilled into them that intelligence is dominance, and that
the only currency that matters is cunning, being cunning and smart.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
And how to beat the system essentially right.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
So, how to bend, how to be a.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Hustler, how to be a hustler and hustle other young
men out of cash that you think you deserve more of.
And by the way, it's working because they've obviously accumulated
a ton of wealth. Now the other side to that is, look,
these are guys that pulled themselves out of poverty. According
to Andrew Tate himself, they literally grew up in poverty
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in the United Kingdom, in England. The family lived on
the Marsh Farm estate in Luton, an area Andrew described
as quote the worst area of the worst town end
quote and listen. The family received welfare and the mother
worked tirelessly to provide for them. Andrew has discussed their
humble beginnings on social media many many times, claiming that
(06:05):
his family were the lowest echelon of life.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Andrew Tape began his career as a professional kickboxer in
two thousand and eight and was ranked seventh best light
heavyweight kickboxer in the UK by the International Sports Karate Association.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
He won several world titles and reportedly earned modest purses,
not enough to make him wealthy, but enough to build
a reputation. And during this time he began teaching kickboxing
and self defense lessons, both personal and line, which basically
grew his coaching business. And I think this is where
he got the model for his lifestyle coaching because it
was pretty successful. He leveraged early YouTube and forums to
(06:46):
promote a persona of discipline and dominance, which laid the
foundation for his later online empire.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Body continues explaining how in cells in particular tend to
view the tape Brothers. It's new.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
It's kind of a divided look on the Tape Brothers. Specifically,
some in cells really admire Andrew take, you know, the
alpha male. I think a lot of them can see
that the Tape Brothers are kind of like proof that
this hyper masculine confidence and physical dominance can overcome what
they perceive as an unfair dating hierarchy. But I think
(07:24):
most in cells have resentment towards the Tate Brothers. They
often accuse them of being fake alpha males who monetize
on the lonely man's epidemic. Right, the Tape Brothers basically
are red pill mano sphere influencers, and in cells typically
subscribe to the black pill ideology. And I think that
(07:47):
they sell like this hopism. They sell hope, and I
think in cells can view the Tape Brothers as two
men who busted their way out of this loneliness epidemic.
But that was never true. The Tape Brothers were never
in cells, but they sell it. They speak to in cells,
and they speak to the reason that the in cells
(08:08):
are such failures of life. And I think that in
cells who do listen to the Tape Brothers rhetoric have
hoped that if they purchase these courses, they're going to
escape it as well.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Here's Louise, who identifies as a black pilled in cell.
He's twenty two years old, lives in southern California and
has been in the in cell community since he was
about nineteen. Louise talks about the dichotomy between the Tape
Brothers and in cells.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
So, yeah, in cells were former pickup artists, which is
very interesting because actually research on that, there's a paper
by some guy called Devolving the Manosphere, like some academic guy.
That's when he found that on pickup artist forums. When
Internet traffic and user bases were going down, on insel
forums they were going up. So there's a pickup artist
to in cell pipeline. So you can imagine like a
young man who's struggling with women goes to pick up artistry,
(09:03):
learns cold approach and nagging and quino and all that
bullshit they do, all those like stupid when it belt
of tactics that they use doesn't work, and then boom
they become an insuell. And I think that's very important
because people, for example, like red pill people call those
guys in cells. They'd be like. People call Andrew Tate
an insull like insults. Hate all those I hate those people.
(09:23):
Those people suck insults. It's very specific, it's a very
very specific community. It's not red Pill, it's not none
of those guys. It's not a guy who hates women. Look,
I hate to say this. There's plenty of guys out
there who hate women and they do just fine. You know,
that's just the unfortunate reality. Okay, we don't live in
some just world and there are plenty of guys who
don't hate women and their virgins.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
M let's stop here for a break. We'll be back
in a moment.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
We spoke about Andrew Tate's Hustler University and other man
camps in a previous episode, but wanted to look into
how his webcam business came to be, as well as
legal allegations surrounding them. It's important to note that Andrew
Tate denies all the following allegations. Here's investigative journalist Connor Powell.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Andrew Tate in twenty sixteen was an unknown social media
influencer until he landed on a pretty big show in
the UK called Big Brother UK. During that time, the
producers of The Big Brother all found out that the
Bedfordshire Police and the Crown Prosecution Service in the UK
(10:53):
had investigated Andrew Tate after two women in Luden, England,
accused him of rape and physical assault, and that sort
of ended his appearance on this show. It did two things.
On one hand, he's now dealing with these accusations of
rape and sexual assault, but now he's famous across England
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and the United Kingdom and really the world at this time.
So as soon as these accusations appear, one of the
other things that comes out is a video of Andrew
Tate physically abusing a woman, beating her, talking, just saying
really vile things to her.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Here's an excerpt from that video. The voice you hear
is Andrew Tates. In the video, we see the back
of a woman pointing out bruises on her lower half.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
Show the camera your tattoo, Tell the camera I beat
you when you don't do as I say? Why are
you getting hit?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Why are you getting beaten?
Speaker 7 (11:54):
Do as I say?
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Now? Andrew Tait has claimed since that time that he
did nothing wrong and that the video was a private
game taken out of context, and you know, he said
back in twenty sixteen that he would never hurt anyone
against their will, But that doesn't quite square with what
the alleged victim actually told Vice News a couple of
years later. She claimed that they had told the police
(12:17):
everything at first, and that her feeling was that the
police believed her, but then nothing happened. The police in
the United Kingdom don't charge him with anything. But then
a few years later, in twenty twenty three, Andrew Tate
and his brother Tristan are now living in Romania, and
for several years their online personality is growing. They're selling sex,
(12:39):
They're selling fast cars, money, guns. It's all backed up
with sort of misogynistic type language about how women are
just there to serve men. And Andrew Tate has sort
of cracked the code of what it is to be
a real man.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
In December of twenty twenty two, the Romanian police rate
Andrew and Tristan Tate's compound and caressed it's a late
night operation and they storm the villa. The brothers are
arrested on human trafficking, rape and forming an organized criminal unit.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
They find money, they find guns, They find weapons all
over the house. They also find these surveillance video cameras
where Andrew and Tristan are accused of basically running a
sex ring where these women are forced to perform sexual
acts on camera. The accusation is that these acts were
against their will, that they weren't willing participants because they
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weren't able to leave this compound, that Andrew and Tristan
were essentially holding them there, and that's the accusation. And
this is when Andrew Tate really begins to deal with
some serious legal problems, and this twenty fifteen case is
brought back up as sort of, look, there's precedent, There
is accusations of assault and rape that stem from years before.
(13:58):
So that twenty fifteen case, which is wrapped up in
twenty sixteen with no charges, then becomes part of a
twenty twenty three case in Romania.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Here's a clip from an appearance Andrew Tate did on
a podcast called Fit and Fresh. He's talking about one
of the arrests.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
I was like, who are you They're going to arrest
for a suspicion of assault of this dumb hope, Like.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
They didn't bom gonna protect.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I'm a knife guy.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Andrew and Tristan Tate were arrested and detained, their passports taken.
They're now facing allegations of human trafficking, one counter rape,
and being part of an organized criminal group.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Connor continues, what the Romanian prosecutors and in the country
start accusing him of doing is essentially using this lover
boy method. And the idea behind this lover boy method
is that Andrew tate women into his compound, into his
world with the promise of a relationship or modeling work
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and then coercing them into producing explicit content and dressing online,
doing sex acts online. But the money that they make
while living in Romania while running this sex trafficking organization,
essentially is when the money really explodes for them, and
six women actually come forward and say that this was
happening to them, and they're using these women to perform
(15:30):
these sex acts on camera, they're videoing it, they're putting
it out there on the Internet to subscribers, and the
amount of money that at their disposal just explodes. They
go from being wealthy and rich to living extravagant lifestyles
where they can just do anything, and it's all built
on the back of these women that they're exploiting.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
All the while Andrew take continues online appearances spreading his
message that women should submit to men.
Speaker 7 (15:59):
In the past famously said I am absolutely sexist and
I'm absolutely a misogynist.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
The woman must.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
Learn that her man is an iron mountain and the
easiest path is to obey.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Any other kind of resistance simply doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
The investigation into the Tape Brothers expands further still as
authorities arrest two women who are part of Tate's inner circle. Again,
Connor Powell.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
You often see there's one or two women who are
helping to recruit other women into this sex trafficking ring,
and that's essentially what we see with these two other women.
After a year of negative headlines and being arrested and
essentially being detained in Romania, the Tape Brothers, they go
on the offensive. They launched this sort of global media
(16:46):
offensive around the world, claiming to be politically persecuted and
that the Romanian prosecutors are essentially attacking them for their
political views.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Andrew and Tristan Tate takes to social media x Rumble podcasts,
all with the message of standing up for men around
the world and fighting what they call the war on
men and the war on free speech, and so.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
You've got this entire debate going on about what it
is to be a young man, what it is to
be able to have free speech. They deny all the charges,
They repeat the claim that these women were all consenting
partners and that they were fabricating their stories. But more importantly,
they don't just make these claims. The people who follow
Andrew and Tristan Tate they repeat these claims. And so
(17:37):
the way that the innocent claims are echoed across all
of social media, it just rrupts.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
I think it's extremely important that we stop allowing media spin,
wrap up smears, lies, or carefully constructed narratives from George
Soros funded operations trying to destroy the reputations of good
people who have no intention to do anything other than
follow They.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Had claimed, essentially that the Matrix was attacking them, a
reference to the movie The Matrix, that there's this sort
of hidden global network that was attacking the Tape Brothers
because of their support for male masculinity and their support
for free speech. And they see a real surge in
popularity around this time, and this campaign forms their response
(18:23):
to these charges, and it becomes a very effective response
public relations wise. The Romanian authorities hit back and in
August of twenty twenty four they opened new criminal charges
and an investigation in the Tristan and Andrew Tat.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
The new accusations allege that not only were they trafficking adults,
but now they're human trafficking miners. There's also account of
having intercourse with the miner, tampering with witnesses, and money laundering.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Andrew Tate's response at this time is that these accusations
are recycled smear campaign against them, and that they're sort
of that the Romanian authorities were just desperate to keep
the circus going. So Andrew Tate is telling his followers,
you can't believe the authorities. They failed with the previous
attempts and so now they have to level up the
attacks on me. And this is a really effective response
(19:16):
for a lot of his supporters around the world, and
so he's using this delay, these types of investigations to
build the case publicly for him in terms of his
defense that listen, I haven't been convicted of anything. There's
lots of allegations against me that they're just out to
get me, that they don't really have anything on me,
and that becomes a really effective response for a lot
of his supporters, which is, you know, if he was
(19:37):
actually guilty of something, he'd be convicted, but he's on
home arrest and detention in Romania. He's not allowed to
go anywhere, and so for a lot of people, a
lot of his supporters, it really does look like he's
just being persecuted in Romania and that this is all
sort of a fake accusation against him. And you know,
he's really used that well in terms of his defense,
(19:58):
because it's almost ten years of accusations but no convictions.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
After several years of being on home arrest in Romania,
the Tape Brothers are allowed to travel to the United States,
where they are also citizens. In February of twenty twenty five,
the brothers touchdown in Florida to much fanfare. Here's a
clip from WPLG Local ten.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Now, we're going to go out.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
To Fort Lauderdale International Airport where the Tape Brothers are
just leaving the airport.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
We understand.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Maybe we'll listen and see if we can hear what
they're saying.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
All the things that go around about us on the
internet We've yet to be convicted of any crime in
our lives. Ever, we have no criminal record anywhere on
the planet.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Ever.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Our case was dismissed on the nineteenth of December in
Romania under the Biden administration, and our prosecutor recently decided,
because we have no active indictment in court, to let
us go and return. This is the democratic society. It's
supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, as my brother.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
And I are. Social media really lights up, hailing the
brothers as symbols of resilience, of masculinity, and of free speech.
Andrew Tate is posting photos of him with an American
flag with the caption that says freedom isn't granted by governments,
It's taken back by strong men. Welcome to a new era.
(21:13):
And then Tristan Tate, you know, follows up as essentially saying,
you know, they tried to destroy us, they tried to
destroy Trump, but the truth always wins. It isn't too
long after they arrive in Florida that the state of
Florida opens up a criminal investigation into the Tate brothers,
and a couple days later, Andrew and Tristan Tate become
the subjects of a new criminal investigation launched by the
(21:36):
Florida Attorney General's office, and you immediately get pushed back
on the Tate brothers in Florida by Governor DeSantis and
a bunch of other Republican leaders at Attorney General's office.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
This morning, Florida's Attorney General opening a criminal investigation into
American brothers Andrew and Tristan Tate, who are charged with
human trafficking in Europe. The Florida ag saying, based on
a thorough review of the evidence, I've directed the Office
of Statewide Prosecution to execute search warrants and issue subpoenas
in the now act of criminal investigation into the Tate brothers.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
This kind of puts the Tate brothers on notice that,
you know, America may not be the safest place for
them right now. And they release a statement saying that
it's a politically motivated fishing expedition, but they're now facing
another investigation in the United States. It's in Florida. It's
a place where they thought they would be fine. They
returned to the US thinking that they were, you know,
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essentially going to be granted the freedom to move around
the United States that they weren't having and didn't have
in Romania. Governor Ron DeSantis even goes so far as
saying that the Tate Brothers are not welcome in Florida,
calling them self promoting degenerates hiding behind the masculinity branding.
At the same time, President Trump is condemning Romania for
(22:54):
their treatment of the Tate brothers on social media. But
it's not too long after that that the Tate brothers
decide that they need to get out of Florida.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Let's stop here for another break. We'll be back in
a moment. In addition to criminal accusations, Andrew Tate is
(23:34):
also facing multiple civil suits. In March of twenty twenty five,
Brianna Stern filed suit in Los Angeles. Brianna is a
model and social media influencer who allegedly dated Andrew Tate
for ten months. Here's body Movin followed by Stephanie.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
So she's the model. She gets on a flight from
Los Angeles. She goes to Romania to do this cryptocurrency motion.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
He hands selects her and things move along really naturally.
He constantly is texting her. He's actually sending her poems.
One that says specifically, this is a quote of one
of the poems Across the Seas, Across the Skies, two
pookies live with loving ties, one in La where palm
trees sway, the other in Bucharest, far away, though miles apart.
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They laugh, in play, with calls and texts to fill
each day. Again, this guy's coming off like everything is
perfectly normal. They were affectionate, He seemed generous and generally
invested in her.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
He was love bombing her. Andrew Tait was love bombing her,
and he insisted they use these encryptid messages like signal.
He told her he was very powerful and these messages
need to be secret.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
So do you think the reason that he was actually
doing things so secretly was that he didn't want his
kindness or his sweetness to be shared with the general public.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
That's wild, she tells us. He was never openly affectionate
around others, never wanting any other man to see him
being loving to a woman, because that ruins his whole
manosphere and also male narrative, the.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Fact that maybe under the surface he's showing kindness and
sweetness and softness, but doesn't want anybody else to know
it is is incredibly manipulative, very quickly. It goes from
being white picket fence possibilities to your point body love
bombing excessively, lots of secrets. And then one day he decides, frankly,
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without even her permission, according to her, that they are
an item. She will be faithful, she will report in,
she will be at his beck and call. But he
is not held to the exact same standard, in fact,
quite the opposite.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
He promised her financial security and listen, that's pretty attractive
to a lot of people, right, being taken care of.
So a few months into the relationship, she finds out
about the Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate backgrounds and becomes
aware of all the allegations against them, and she tells
Tristan's girlfriend at the time, she says, we would ask
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each other, are you sure they didn't do this? We
would always come to the conclusion that no, there's no
way they could have done this. They're not monsters, They're
not capable of that. But over time, obviously I started
to see that side, which is interesting because slowly but surely,
Andrew Tate and Tristian Tate's masks are slipping and little
by little you start giving things up. Right, he starts
(26:32):
asking her for her social media passwords. He's demanded she
handed them over and download a tracking app so he
can see where she is at all times. This is
who he is, This is who he preaches. Who he
is now the real Andrew Tate is showing himself and
it's becoming a red flag for her.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
And he's showing signs of aggression, even if that didn't
seem at all possible when she first met him. Yeah,
that's the stick. Allegedly, that's the grooming process. Allegedly your
best foot forward, best shiny self, the masking. But eventually
that wears off.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
He's starting to get kind of demanding and say really
really awful things to her, and he's blaming it on her.
In fact, the lawyers wrote that in their complaint this
is a quote. Like many abusers, Tate would often tell
the plaintiff that his outbursts were her own fault.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Because he controls her, he owns her, and anything that
causes a reaction in him is frankly her fault.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
At this point, she's starting to become like, Okay, what
have I done? Have I gotten two in over my
head was I swept away, but she was too scared
to say anything or leave. Because Andrew Tate, She's realizing
that he truly is a powerful man. In fact, he
told her Trump is going to help me his legal
problems in Romania. Trump is going to help me. I
guess what he did then?
Speaker 6 (27:48):
According to her, he basically said, if you try to leave,
or if you step out of line, I'm going to
rape and or kill you. Where do you go from there?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Brianna Stern out what she alleges happened on the day
of her attack. The details are important as they show
what an intimidating figure Tate appeared to be. This guy
is a big deal. Imagine this.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
He flies to Los Angeles from Romania and then he
like basically tweets, all right, I'm in Los Angeles. Let
the criminal charges begin. I mean think of the Cajonis
right like he's putting it out there. Then he has
a meeting with Kanye West right before. So from an
outsider looking in, this guy's running the world and is
confident and is here to play.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
She says.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
He's screaming at her. She says, I beat you because
I love you and your mind Why wouldn't I be
able to hit you? And by the way, this correlates
with text message screenshots that she's providing.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
I have the text in front of me right now.
This is Tate saying you need to be hit to
his girlfriend. She says, why I didn't like that? What
did I do? He says, you deserve it if you
were mine. Why wouldn't I be able to hit you?
You talk too much?
Speaker 3 (28:59):
More?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
So I beat you. I will hit you today, but
I love you.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Why the name calling? Do you understand? Because I want
to beat the fuck out of you and you will
give me a child this year, bitch. I mean, even
just saying this out loud sounds absurd. I mean, even
as I'm reading this, I have a cold chill. But
imagine getting those texts.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
So the suit continues and it says this. The plaintiff
began crying and begging for him to stop, and he
would not. It continued to choke plaintiff harder and harder,
making plaintiff nearly lose consciousness. I mean, imagine your boyfriend
choking you and all the while saying it's because I
love you.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Here's another text exchange. I really love hitting you it's
very good for me and you. It's relaxing too, I think,
and she says, pooky, no I cry.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
She claims that he would not be able to climax
sexually unless he verbally degraded her to the point of
feeling worthless and crying. Plaintiff protested and never stop crying
and begging Tate to stop. However, her cries and pleas
only led to Tate hitting her harder. The plaintiff protested
and never stopped crying and begging Tate to stop. However,
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her cries and pleas only led to Tate hitting her harder.
Her cries appeared to be what he wanted, what he
needed to climax, the sick fetish of a disturbed man,
and this is in the lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
The civil suit is ongoing, as are all of the
allegations against Andrew and Tristan Tate from the UK to
Romania to Florida again. Neither Tate brother has been convicted
of any of the crimes discussed in this episode. The
Tatee brothers say they're persecuted, not predators. Their supporters say
there's a war on masculinity. Prosecutors say the evidence tells
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another story. What is clear is their influence millions of
young men hearing that control is love and violence is strength.
Only a small number will act on it, but he
will internalize it. Next time we dig into the world
of looksmaxing, it's an economy of insecurity, from jawline math
to paid fixes and the boys and men who buy in.
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For more information on the case and relevant photos, follow
us on Instagram at KT Underscore Studios. In Cells is
produced by Stephanie Leideger, Gabriel Castillo and me Courtney Armstrong.
Additional producing by Connor Powell and Caroline Miller, Editing by
Jeff Tooi music by Vanikore Studios. In Cells is a
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production of KT Studios and iHeart Podcasts. For more podcasts
like this, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever
you listen to your favorite shows.
From the dark corners of the web, an emerging mindset I.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Am a loser if also we know wouldn't pay me either.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
A hidden world of resentment, cynicism, anger against women at
a deadly tipping.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Point in Cells will be added to the Terrorism Guide.
Speaker 5 (00:16):
I see literally zero hope.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
This is in Cells a production of KT Studios and
iHeart Podcasts, Season one, Episode eight. I hit you because
I love you.
Speaker 6 (00:32):
He controls her, he owns her, and anything that causes
a reaction in him is frankly her fault.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
Listen, I haven't been convicted of anything, and there's lots
of allegations against me, that they're just out to get me,
that they don't really have anything on me.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
It continued to choke plaintiff harder and harder, making plaintiff
nearly lose consciousness.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I'm Courtney Armstrong, a producer at Kat's Studios, with Stephanie Leidecker,
Gabriel Castillo, Connor Powell, Carolyn Miller. In episode six, we
explored the Manosphere, a sprawling digital network that claims to
help men navigate dating, fitness, and fatherhood. However, it often
spreads to hostility and misogyny. Andrew Tate is widely known
(01:17):
as the king of the manosphere, and we touched on
his empire from Hustle University to his webcam businesses. We
decided to take a deeper dive into who Andrew Tate
and his brother Tristan are, how their upbringing shaped them,
as well as legal allegations piling up against them. Please note,
despite legal action pending in three countries, neither Andrew Tate
(01:38):
nor Tristan Tate have been convicted of any of the
crimes discussed in this episode. Here's Stephanie.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
I always find it interesting that the Tape Brothers are
considered misogynists because, frankly, their background wouldn't suggest that that's
how this would really turn out. The Tape Brothers were,
by their own admission, raised in poverty.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Andrew Tate was born in Washington, d c. At the
Walter Reed Army Medical Center on December fourteenth, nineteen eighty six.
His father was a black man named Emery Tait, who
was an international master of chess and a highly competitive
figure known for his aggressive playing style. His mother, Eileen,
is a white englishwoman who worked as a catering assistant.
(02:23):
Andrew's brother, Tristan, was born in Chicago on July fifteenth,
nineteen eighty eight, and they have a younger sister who
is an attorney and lives a private life. Here again Stephanie,
followed by crime analyst Body Moven.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
Mom and dad divorced in nineteen ninety seven, and they
basically split time between the United Kingdom and the United States.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
His dad lived like a pretty nomadic lifestyle, surviving on
tournament weddings from chess tournaments. He didn't really have a
stable life.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
He was a little anti regime and they refer to
him as being very ambitious, but clearly not that ambitious
because they were growing up in poverty in a different
country and not seeing their co parent hardly at all.
So it's just interesting to me that Dad is getting
that large of a voice in their heads given the
fact that they were being raised by a single mom
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who's working her way to put them through school and
frankly doing a nice job of it, and they say
very loving things of her, yet their worldview on women
is really low.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Andrews saw his father, Emory Tate about once a year,
but he's been a hugely influential presence in his life.
Here's a podcast excerpt of Tate speaking about his father
with therapist David Sutcliffe. Was your father present with you?
Speaker 7 (03:46):
No, that didn't bother them at all.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It didn't bother you.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
No, he had things to do.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
I didn't understand.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
You know your history, that you were raised by seeing
your mother. Your father wasn't around, so you see him
once a year about that, Yeah, but I always understood
he's very busy and has a lot to do, like
you understand, like a little boy. I think a little
boy might think, why where's daddy?
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I want daddy, I'm here alone with mom?
Speaker 7 (04:07):
And he might be right because some fathers may not care.
But my father did care. He was just very busy.
But it must have been confusing for you. No, not
for the little boy. No, I never for a second
felt like he didn't care about me.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Ever, and that on some level, some of what you're
doing in the world is motivated by that, like wanting
to win the love of your father.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
I think that's semi true, because I believe I have
a duty to my ancestors. I have the last name Tate,
it was bestowed upon me, and I have responsibilities to
live up to the last name Tate. I do believe
I have a duty to my ancestors. So is that
trying to win the love of my father? Perhaps I
never felt unloved by my father ever. In fact, I
would argue I had the best father on earth. I
never felt like I was owed all of his time.
(04:50):
I can earn his time, or that I can't have
as much of it as I want.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You have to earn his time. That was a son
should have to earn his father's time.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
Yeah, why not.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Andrew Tate often says that his dad taught him if
you can control your mind, you can control the world,
and drilled into them that intelligence is dominance, and that
the only currency that matters is cunning, being cunning and smart.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
And how to beat the system essentially right.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
So, how to bend, how to be a.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Hustler, how to be a hustler and hustle other young
men out of cash that you think you deserve more of.
And by the way, it's working because they've obviously accumulated
a ton of wealth. Now the other side to that is, look,
these are guys that pulled themselves out of poverty. According
to Andrew Tate himself, they literally grew up in poverty
(05:42):
in the United Kingdom, in England. The family lived on
the Marsh Farm estate in Luton, an area Andrew described
as quote the worst area of the worst town end
quote and listen. The family received welfare and the mother
worked tirelessly to provide for them. Andrew has discussed their
humble beginnings on social media many many times, claiming that
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his family were the lowest echelon of life.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Andrew Tape began his career as a professional kickboxer in
two thousand and eight and was ranked seventh best light
heavyweight kickboxer in the UK by the International Sports Karate Association.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
He won several world titles and reportedly earned modest purses,
not enough to make him wealthy, but enough to build
a reputation. And during this time he began teaching kickboxing
and self defense lessons, both personal and line, which basically
grew his coaching business. And I think this is where
he got the model for his lifestyle coaching because it
was pretty successful. He leveraged early YouTube and forums to
(06:46):
promote a persona of discipline and dominance, which laid the
foundation for his later online empire.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Body continues explaining how in cells in particular tend to
view the tape Brothers. It's new.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
It's kind of a divided look on the Tape Brothers. Specifically,
some in cells really admire Andrew take, you know, the
alpha male. I think a lot of them can see
that the Tape Brothers are kind of like proof that
this hyper masculine confidence and physical dominance can overcome what
they perceive as an unfair dating hierarchy. But I think
(07:24):
most in cells have resentment towards the Tate Brothers. They
often accuse them of being fake alpha males who monetize
on the lonely man's epidemic. Right, the Tape Brothers basically
are red pill mano sphere influencers, and in cells typically
subscribe to the black pill ideology. And I think that
(07:47):
they sell like this hopism. They sell hope, and I
think in cells can view the Tape Brothers as two
men who busted their way out of this loneliness epidemic.
But that was never true. The Tape Brothers were never
in cells, but they sell it. They speak to in cells,
and they speak to the reason that the in cells
(08:08):
are such failures of life. And I think that in
cells who do listen to the Tape Brothers rhetoric have
hoped that if they purchase these courses, they're going to
escape it as well.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Here's Louise, who identifies as a black pilled in cell.
He's twenty two years old, lives in southern California and
has been in the in cell community since he was
about nineteen. Louise talks about the dichotomy between the Tape
Brothers and in cells.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
So, yeah, in cells were former pickup artists, which is
very interesting because actually research on that, there's a paper
by some guy called Devolving the Manosphere, like some academic guy.
That's when he found that on pickup artist forums. When
Internet traffic and user bases were going down, on insel
forums they were going up. So there's a pickup artist
to in cell pipeline. So you can imagine like a
young man who's struggling with women goes to pick up artistry,
(09:03):
learns cold approach and nagging and quino and all that
bullshit they do, all those like stupid when it belt
of tactics that they use doesn't work, and then boom
they become an insuell. And I think that's very important
because people, for example, like red pill people call those
guys in cells. They'd be like. People call Andrew Tate
an insull like insults. Hate all those I hate those people.
(09:23):
Those people suck insults. It's very specific, it's a very
very specific community. It's not red Pill, it's not none
of those guys. It's not a guy who hates women. Look,
I hate to say this. There's plenty of guys out
there who hate women and they do just fine. You know,
that's just the unfortunate reality. Okay, we don't live in
some just world and there are plenty of guys who
don't hate women and their virgins.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
M let's stop here for a break. We'll be back
in a moment.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
We spoke about Andrew Tate's Hustler University and other man
camps in a previous episode, but wanted to look into
how his webcam business came to be, as well as
legal allegations surrounding them. It's important to note that Andrew
Tate denies all the following allegations. Here's investigative journalist Connor Powell.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Andrew Tate in twenty sixteen was an unknown social media
influencer until he landed on a pretty big show in
the UK called Big Brother UK. During that time, the
producers of The Big Brother all found out that the
Bedfordshire Police and the Crown Prosecution Service in the UK
(10:53):
had investigated Andrew Tate after two women in Luden, England,
accused him of rape and physical assault, and that sort
of ended his appearance on this show. It did two things.
On one hand, he's now dealing with these accusations of
rape and sexual assault, but now he's famous across England
(11:13):
and the United Kingdom and really the world at this time.
So as soon as these accusations appear, one of the
other things that comes out is a video of Andrew
Tate physically abusing a woman, beating her, talking, just saying
really vile things to her.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Here's an excerpt from that video. The voice you hear
is Andrew Tates. In the video, we see the back
of a woman pointing out bruises on her lower half.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
Show the camera your tattoo, Tell the camera I beat
you when you don't do as I say? Why are
you getting hit?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Why are you getting beaten?
Speaker 7 (11:54):
Do as I say?
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Now? Andrew Tait has claimed since that time that he
did nothing wrong and that the video was a private
game taken out of context, and you know, he said
back in twenty sixteen that he would never hurt anyone
against their will, But that doesn't quite square with what
the alleged victim actually told Vice News a couple of
years later. She claimed that they had told the police
(12:17):
everything at first, and that her feeling was that the
police believed her, but then nothing happened. The police in
the United Kingdom don't charge him with anything. But then
a few years later, in twenty twenty three, Andrew Tate
and his brother Tristan are now living in Romania, and
for several years their online personality is growing. They're selling sex,
(12:39):
They're selling fast cars, money, guns. It's all backed up
with sort of misogynistic type language about how women are
just there to serve men. And Andrew Tate has sort
of cracked the code of what it is to be
a real man.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
In December of twenty twenty two, the Romanian police rate
Andrew and Tristan Tate's compound and caressed it's a late
night operation and they storm the villa. The brothers are
arrested on human trafficking, rape and forming an organized criminal unit.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
They find money, they find guns, They find weapons all
over the house. They also find these surveillance video cameras
where Andrew and Tristan are accused of basically running a
sex ring where these women are forced to perform sexual
acts on camera. The accusation is that these acts were
against their will, that they weren't willing participants because they
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weren't able to leave this compound, that Andrew and Tristan
were essentially holding them there, and that's the accusation. And
this is when Andrew Tate really begins to deal with
some serious legal problems, and this twenty fifteen case is
brought back up as sort of, look, there's precedent, There
is accusations of assault and rape that stem from years before.
(13:58):
So that twenty fifteen case, which is wrapped up in
twenty sixteen with no charges, then becomes part of a
twenty twenty three case in Romania.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Here's a clip from an appearance Andrew Tate did on
a podcast called Fit and Fresh. He's talking about one
of the arrests.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
I was like, who are you They're going to arrest
for a suspicion of assault of this dumb hope, Like.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
They didn't bom gonna protect.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I'm a knife guy.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Andrew and Tristan Tate were arrested and detained, their passports taken.
They're now facing allegations of human trafficking, one counter rape,
and being part of an organized criminal group.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Connor continues, what the Romanian prosecutors and in the country
start accusing him of doing is essentially using this lover
boy method. And the idea behind this lover boy method
is that Andrew tate women into his compound, into his
world with the promise of a relationship or modeling work
(15:06):
and then coercing them into producing explicit content and dressing online,
doing sex acts online. But the money that they make
while living in Romania while running this sex trafficking organization,
essentially is when the money really explodes for them, and
six women actually come forward and say that this was
happening to them, and they're using these women to perform
(15:30):
these sex acts on camera, they're videoing it, they're putting
it out there on the Internet to subscribers, and the
amount of money that at their disposal just explodes. They
go from being wealthy and rich to living extravagant lifestyles
where they can just do anything, and it's all built
on the back of these women that they're exploiting.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
All the while Andrew take continues online appearances spreading his
message that women should submit to men.
Speaker 7 (15:59):
In the past famously said I am absolutely sexist and
I'm absolutely a misogynist.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
The woman must.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
Learn that her man is an iron mountain and the
easiest path is to obey.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Any other kind of resistance simply doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
The investigation into the Tape Brothers expands further still as
authorities arrest two women who are part of Tate's inner circle. Again,
Connor Powell.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
You often see there's one or two women who are
helping to recruit other women into this sex trafficking ring,
and that's essentially what we see with these two other women.
After a year of negative headlines and being arrested and
essentially being detained in Romania, the Tape Brothers, they go
on the offensive. They launched this sort of global media
(16:46):
offensive around the world, claiming to be politically persecuted and
that the Romanian prosecutors are essentially attacking them for their
political views.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Andrew and Tristan Tate takes to social media x Rumble podcasts,
all with the message of standing up for men around
the world and fighting what they call the war on
men and the war on free speech, and so.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
You've got this entire debate going on about what it
is to be a young man, what it is to
be able to have free speech. They deny all the charges,
They repeat the claim that these women were all consenting
partners and that they were fabricating their stories. But more importantly,
they don't just make these claims. The people who follow
Andrew and Tristan Tate they repeat these claims. And so
(17:37):
the way that the innocent claims are echoed across all
of social media, it just rrupts.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
I think it's extremely important that we stop allowing media spin,
wrap up smears, lies, or carefully constructed narratives from George
Soros funded operations trying to destroy the reputations of good
people who have no intention to do anything other than
follow They.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Had claimed, essentially that the Matrix was attacking them, a
reference to the movie The Matrix, that there's this sort
of hidden global network that was attacking the Tape Brothers
because of their support for male masculinity and their support
for free speech. And they see a real surge in
popularity around this time, and this campaign forms their response
(18:23):
to these charges, and it becomes a very effective response
public relations wise. The Romanian authorities hit back and in
August of twenty twenty four they opened new criminal charges
and an investigation in the Tristan and Andrew Tat.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
The new accusations allege that not only were they trafficking adults,
but now they're human trafficking miners. There's also account of
having intercourse with the miner, tampering with witnesses, and money laundering.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Andrew Tate's response at this time is that these accusations
are recycled smear campaign against them, and that they're sort
of that the Romanian authorities were just desperate to keep
the circus going. So Andrew Tate is telling his followers,
you can't believe the authorities. They failed with the previous
attempts and so now they have to level up the
attacks on me. And this is a really effective response
(19:16):
for a lot of his supporters around the world, and
so he's using this delay, these types of investigations to
build the case publicly for him in terms of his
defense that listen, I haven't been convicted of anything. There's
lots of allegations against me that they're just out to
get me, that they don't really have anything on me,
and that becomes a really effective response for a lot
of his supporters, which is, you know, if he was
(19:37):
actually guilty of something, he'd be convicted, but he's on
home arrest and detention in Romania. He's not allowed to
go anywhere, and so for a lot of people, a
lot of his supporters, it really does look like he's
just being persecuted in Romania and that this is all
sort of a fake accusation against him. And you know,
he's really used that well in terms of his defense,
(19:58):
because it's almost ten years of accusations but no convictions.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
After several years of being on home arrest in Romania,
the Tape Brothers are allowed to travel to the United States,
where they are also citizens. In February of twenty twenty five,
the brothers touchdown in Florida to much fanfare. Here's a
clip from WPLG Local ten.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Now, we're going to go out.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
To Fort Lauderdale International Airport where the Tape Brothers are
just leaving the airport.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
We understand.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Maybe we'll listen and see if we can hear what
they're saying.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
All the things that go around about us on the
internet We've yet to be convicted of any crime in
our lives. Ever, we have no criminal record anywhere on
the planet.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Ever.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Our case was dismissed on the nineteenth of December in
Romania under the Biden administration, and our prosecutor recently decided,
because we have no active indictment in court, to let
us go and return. This is the democratic society. It's
supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, as my brother.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
And I are. Social media really lights up, hailing the
brothers as symbols of resilience, of masculinity, and of free speech.
Andrew Tate is posting photos of him with an American
flag with the caption that says freedom isn't granted by governments,
It's taken back by strong men. Welcome to a new era.
(21:13):
And then Tristan Tate, you know, follows up as essentially saying,
you know, they tried to destroy us, they tried to
destroy Trump, but the truth always wins. It isn't too
long after they arrive in Florida that the state of
Florida opens up a criminal investigation into the Tate brothers,
and a couple days later, Andrew and Tristan Tate become
the subjects of a new criminal investigation launched by the
(21:36):
Florida Attorney General's office, and you immediately get pushed back
on the Tate brothers in Florida by Governor DeSantis and
a bunch of other Republican leaders at Attorney General's office.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
This morning, Florida's Attorney General opening a criminal investigation into
American brothers Andrew and Tristan Tate, who are charged with
human trafficking in Europe. The Florida ag saying, based on
a thorough review of the evidence, I've directed the Office
of Statewide Prosecution to execute search warrants and issue subpoenas
in the now act of criminal investigation into the Tate brothers.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
This kind of puts the Tate brothers on notice that,
you know, America may not be the safest place for
them right now. And they release a statement saying that
it's a politically motivated fishing expedition, but they're now facing
another investigation in the United States. It's in Florida. It's
a place where they thought they would be fine. They
returned to the US thinking that they were, you know,
(22:34):
essentially going to be granted the freedom to move around
the United States that they weren't having and didn't have
in Romania. Governor Ron DeSantis even goes so far as
saying that the Tate Brothers are not welcome in Florida,
calling them self promoting degenerates hiding behind the masculinity branding.
At the same time, President Trump is condemning Romania for
(22:54):
their treatment of the Tate brothers on social media. But
it's not too long after that that the Tate brothers
decide that they need to get out of Florida.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Let's stop here for another break. We'll be back in
a moment. In addition to criminal accusations, Andrew Tate is
(23:34):
also facing multiple civil suits. In March of twenty twenty five,
Brianna Stern filed suit in Los Angeles. Brianna is a
model and social media influencer who allegedly dated Andrew Tate
for ten months. Here's body Movin followed by Stephanie.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
So she's the model. She gets on a flight from
Los Angeles. She goes to Romania to do this cryptocurrency motion.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
He hands selects her and things move along really naturally.
He constantly is texting her. He's actually sending her poems.
One that says specifically, this is a quote of one
of the poems Across the Seas, Across the Skies, two
pookies live with loving ties, one in La where palm
trees sway, the other in Bucharest, far away, though miles apart.
(24:24):
They laugh, in play, with calls and texts to fill
each day. Again, this guy's coming off like everything is
perfectly normal. They were affectionate, He seemed generous and generally
invested in her.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
He was love bombing her. Andrew Tait was love bombing her,
and he insisted they use these encryptid messages like signal.
He told her he was very powerful and these messages
need to be secret.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
So do you think the reason that he was actually
doing things so secretly was that he didn't want his
kindness or his sweetness to be shared with the general public.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
That's wild, she tells us. He was never openly affectionate
around others, never wanting any other man to see him
being loving to a woman, because that ruins his whole
manosphere and also male narrative, the.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Fact that maybe under the surface he's showing kindness and
sweetness and softness, but doesn't want anybody else to know
it is is incredibly manipulative, very quickly. It goes from
being white picket fence possibilities to your point body love
bombing excessively, lots of secrets. And then one day he decides, frankly,
(25:36):
without even her permission, according to her, that they are
an item. She will be faithful, she will report in,
she will be at his beck and call. But he
is not held to the exact same standard, in fact,
quite the opposite.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
He promised her financial security and listen, that's pretty attractive
to a lot of people, right, being taken care of.
So a few months into the relationship, she finds out
about the Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate backgrounds and becomes
aware of all the allegations against them, and she tells
Tristan's girlfriend at the time, she says, we would ask
(26:11):
each other, are you sure they didn't do this? We
would always come to the conclusion that no, there's no
way they could have done this. They're not monsters, They're
not capable of that. But over time, obviously I started
to see that side, which is interesting because slowly but surely,
Andrew Tate and Tristian Tate's masks are slipping and little
by little you start giving things up. Right, he starts
(26:32):
asking her for her social media passwords. He's demanded she
handed them over and download a tracking app so he
can see where she is at all times. This is
who he is, This is who he preaches. Who he
is now the real Andrew Tate is showing himself and
it's becoming a red flag for her.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
And he's showing signs of aggression, even if that didn't
seem at all possible when she first met him. Yeah,
that's the stick. Allegedly, that's the grooming process. Allegedly your
best foot forward, best shiny self, the masking. But eventually
that wears off.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
He's starting to get kind of demanding and say really
really awful things to her, and he's blaming it on her.
In fact, the lawyers wrote that in their complaint this
is a quote. Like many abusers, Tate would often tell
the plaintiff that his outbursts were her own fault.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Because he controls her, he owns her, and anything that
causes a reaction in him is frankly her fault.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
At this point, she's starting to become like, Okay, what
have I done? Have I gotten two in over my
head was I swept away, but she was too scared
to say anything or leave. Because Andrew Tate, She's realizing
that he truly is a powerful man. In fact, he
told her Trump is going to help me his legal
problems in Romania. Trump is going to help me. I
guess what he did then?
Speaker 6 (27:48):
According to her, he basically said, if you try to leave,
or if you step out of line, I'm going to
rape and or kill you. Where do you go from there?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Brianna Stern out what she alleges happened on the day
of her attack. The details are important as they show
what an intimidating figure Tate appeared to be. This guy
is a big deal. Imagine this.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
He flies to Los Angeles from Romania and then he
like basically tweets, all right, I'm in Los Angeles. Let
the criminal charges begin. I mean think of the Cajonis
right like he's putting it out there. Then he has
a meeting with Kanye West right before. So from an
outsider looking in, this guy's running the world and is
confident and is here to play.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
She says.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
He's screaming at her. She says, I beat you because
I love you and your mind Why wouldn't I be
able to hit you? And by the way, this correlates
with text message screenshots that she's providing.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
I have the text in front of me right now.
This is Tate saying you need to be hit to
his girlfriend. She says, why I didn't like that? What
did I do? He says, you deserve it if you
were mine. Why wouldn't I be able to hit you?
You talk too much?
Speaker 3 (28:59):
More?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
So I beat you. I will hit you today, but
I love you.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Why the name calling? Do you understand? Because I want
to beat the fuck out of you and you will
give me a child this year, bitch. I mean, even
just saying this out loud sounds absurd. I mean, even
as I'm reading this, I have a cold chill. But
imagine getting those texts.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
So the suit continues and it says this. The plaintiff
began crying and begging for him to stop, and he
would not. It continued to choke plaintiff harder and harder,
making plaintiff nearly lose consciousness. I mean, imagine your boyfriend
choking you and all the while saying it's because I
love you.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Here's another text exchange. I really love hitting you it's
very good for me and you. It's relaxing too, I think,
and she says, pooky, no I cry.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
She claims that he would not be able to climax
sexually unless he verbally degraded her to the point of
feeling worthless and crying. Plaintiff protested and never stop crying
and begging Tate to stop. However, her cries and pleas
only led to Tate hitting her harder. The plaintiff protested
and never stopped crying and begging Tate to stop. However,
(30:11):
her cries and pleas only led to Tate hitting her harder.
Her cries appeared to be what he wanted, what he
needed to climax, the sick fetish of a disturbed man,
and this is in the lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
The civil suit is ongoing, as are all of the
allegations against Andrew and Tristan Tate from the UK to
Romania to Florida again. Neither Tate brother has been convicted
of any of the crimes discussed in this episode. The
Tatee brothers say they're persecuted, not predators. Their supporters say
there's a war on masculinity. Prosecutors say the evidence tells
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another story. What is clear is their influence millions of
young men hearing that control is love and violence is strength.
Only a small number will act on it, but he
will internalize it. Next time we dig into the world
of looksmaxing, it's an economy of insecurity, from jawline math
to paid fixes and the boys and men who buy in.
(31:14):
For more information on the case and relevant photos, follow
us on Instagram at KT Underscore Studios. In Cells is
produced by Stephanie Leideger, Gabriel Castillo and me Courtney Armstrong.
Additional producing by Connor Powell and Caroline Miller, Editing by
Jeff Tooi music by Vanikore Studios. In Cells is a
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