March 7, 2022 • 46 mins
The ITG crew made a special trip out to LA this month to visit The Volume founder himself, Colin Cowherd. They sit down with Colin to discuss why Notre Dame is such a unique college football program, the culture shift in South Bend as Marcus Freeman takes over for Brian Kelly, and how Colin feels about the NIL deals that are shifting the college landscape. And as the conversation expands beyond football, they talk about Colin's years at ESPN making SportsNation, Kanye's jeen-yuhs doc series, and all sorts of advice on relationships and overcoming obstacles. They wrap up the interview with Colin and Kyle swapping their hottest takes – and one of them is *steaming* hot.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volumes up. Everybody. Welcome back to the Inside Garage podcast.
I'm calling I'm doing a long word Wallace Connor and
Cam hart Um. So today we are very much so
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outside of the garage. We are actually on the far
side of the country. We're out in l A with
a very special guest today, Mr Colin Coward, probably the
head of the volume family Tree. Yes, and our weather
is way better themselves. Um So, how things have been
going out here? Things are good, the volume is good.
(00:45):
This is uh as you know because your training out here.
Do not believe conservative news outlets. California is nice all
the time. No, it's just a nice place to live
and things are good. Happy, you know, get over you're
worried about your health, and that's good. You guys should
be excited. You got your life just about to change radically.
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So do you have your agent? I do have my
agent with at least first And what's he telling me
we're gonna get drafted? That's the question that I've gone
from a hundred people and I don't know the answer
to yet. Anywhere any part of the country you'd like
to go to, that's another guy. I genuinely don't have
a don't have a place where I'm like, this is
where I want to go really anywhere in the country,
any team, preferably the highest. But um, there's not one
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specific team where I'm like, that's where I want to be. Dude,
It's hard to pick and choose at this point because
it's a blessing either way. So I'm just right out
the process. There's a certain alliteration with kJ cam, Kyle,
and Conner. Was that an accident that was very very
much because there's actually two more Kindle and uh Kiren
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and it's all cadencies. And then there's the outcast to
Isaiah Rutherford who actually ended up going to Arizona. But yeah,
we're all like a big group. Did you guys know
it was Notre Dame easy for you can't easy as in,
this is where I want to go. M hm. That's interesting, guy.
I think once I got there and understood what I like,
(02:15):
what Notre Dame entailed, it became easier. But freshman year,
getting used to the strict schedule of the academic rigor,
I think that was probably the most challenging part, honestly
of my life. I talked about this actually earlier because
it's kind of interesting that, like in Cole's position and
you can speak on this um, it's like we have
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this really strict schedule for three to four years, and
then when we come out of it and only half
of our day is as busy as it was at
Nore Dame, it almost seems that other half of the
day we feel very unproductive and feel like we're doing
something wrong with that lives, which is really like a
weird dynamic. Notre Dame prepared you for life, like a
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lot of these schools are just it's like RMAC and
then your you take off for the pros. But Notre
Dame feels it's the beginning of your life. It's a
real life experience because that's what's gonna happen when you're
a pro. You're gonna have business, You're gonna have a family.
Time efficiency for me is everything in my life now,
everything is show life. I got six kids, businesses, travel, wife,
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on a social life. So that efficiency thing, it doesn't
go right because if you already thinking about a joke
about it all time have twenty four hours. I'm not
a big sleeper. You sleep six and a half seven
and you know, let's say I eat for an hour,
I work out for an hour, chill for ninety minutes,
work is whatever it is. You still have like five hours.
But it's amazing. You can sit on that phone and
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you look up and you're like, I'm on the phone
to the phone's really a distraction. If you're not good
at a time efficiency, you're gonna get eaten a lot.
And I think our age group we're like more so
the fifteen year olds now, but I think our age
group grew up in like Instagram then the Twitter, so
it's so much more part of us than it probably
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is to you at this point. And I feel like
having that just like they're like I could just be
sitting I can't like sit in science without just checking
my phone. It's like tough as at certain points of time.
And when I have that, like an extra for three
hours of nothing this it's like stuck to my phone.
That sucks. I feel like one thing that I definitely
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take for granted, Notre Dame and maybe you guys do too,
but like the way it prepares you to communicate with people,
like people of all races, like genders, and college parts
of the world like and the profession we hope to
go in that I'm going into football. It's all about
communication with people who came from whatever. So I think
Notre Dame has, whether that be talking to your football team,
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talking to regular students living in the dorm room right
across from you, who you may not know what I
might have a big influence on your life later. I
think Notre Dame helps you not take for granted that
people around you and how much influence they maybe be
able to have in your life. Do you do you
ever think like there are other college football programs where,
forget just academically, a lot of these kids couldn't fit,
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they couldn't handle. Like so I mean sometimes do you
think to yourself, you know, our standard here is, you know,
and I think everybody understands it, Like the standard Notre
Dame is hard to Standfords the same thing, Like it's
hard and between. For me, it was between Georgia and
Notre Dame obviously night and day in terms of culture. Um,
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but like what you just said, like you're gonna sacrifice
some stuff going to Indie. Obviously Georgia's a little warmer
Notre Dames, like I said, like very humbling and it's
like you're gonna get stuff out of that, and you
kind of have to see past the four years to
really capsulate like everything that you're about to get into.
And I think if you believe in that, when you
get there, you'll do very well, whether it be football
or engineering or medical field, whatever you want to do.
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And I think every that's why a lot of people
from Notre Dames successful, and I think everyone goes to
their name as an athlete as that would able to
say like the aspect of I know, sports not gonna
last revenue like playing sports not, and so everyone kind
of shares that same value and so everyone's kind of
united by that. Like cultures built around like people that obviously,
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like clearly talented would have it actually aspect to them.
And I know that I can do more than just
sports because we've also we talked about this a lot,
like a very cool U school. It kind of adds
to how I guess slept on the social life, like
how because in essence, the social life can be very
challenging because you're around a whole bunch of people who
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have the same mindset and you, as a common in freshman,
you probably don't have that developed mindset. At the time,
you probably think I'm going to ordained, big school, great football,
great academics, but you don't really understand what that means.
So when you get into that, it can sometimes be
challenging and navigate your way through this like social life
and meeting people and like networking and this. I personally,
it's a small school. It's Honey eight thousand, nine thousand undergrads,
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so everyone there has the same mindset that I don't
know even not describe it, but everyone there has the
same mindset, and you as an income and freshman, it
can be tallenging. That's why I think that freshman year,
just getting used to that school and football, it was
like crazy. It's interesting generationally, Yeah, Brian Kelly, who was
very old school. Then you have Marcus Freeman, who feels
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like to me, like an old player, like he's almost
just stopped playing. They probably have different choices and music
and lifestyle and culturally they've grown up differently, Like could
you tell instantly like the minute Marcus was around the building,
I mean he was always around the building, But like
I look at it and I think, you know, my
staff would immediately know if I was replaced by somebody
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that was thirty eight from me because of sort of
the discussion that I have with my staff. Did you
know instantly that Marcus is the coach that it just
feel different? Yeah, I knew from the first before he
was head coached coach, when he was decordinated, Like our
first our first defensive team meeting, He's like, this would
never happen that nere Dame at least when I was there.
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Um our first team and he's like blasting like rapper
a little baby. It's like I'm like, Okay, it's like
a whole different, like vibrant vibe around this dude, which
I think as like a great aspect to them. Sure,
I think he brought a level of excitement to come
with coming to the group every day like um, and
this is not saying anything's worse or better than anything
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like that, but you know, sometimes like going class, going
to practice, going to doing every game camp, like they're like,
you can't get my game. Might do the same thing
every day, but like I felt like, coach Freeman, what
do you do? Just kind of you found ways to
bring excitement to everyday things, And I felt like that
kind of really helped people the gigs. I can do
a job, do the job better and really keep coming back.
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Dames intense if you add Brian's intempseity too intense, like you,
there's an argument that he made the Marcus was perfect
like you. You just he's a little softer and I
like Ryan, but Notre Dame asks a lot of you,
and so there is that balance. You know, Like out
here in California it's looser. You probably need a stronger
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coach a little, you know, because there's a lot to
do out here. You can get in trouble out here
really easily, and so you probably need somebody that's a
little more, you know. Clay Helton at USC was seen
as two nights and two loose, and the program got
loose because it's really easy to get distracted. Interesting, I
never thought about that. I always think, like great coaches
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is going to go to a grade school and that's
a great fit, and that's what it is. But I
never thought about, like demographically, how that coach may fit everything.
I think it's you know, through the years, I've noticed this,
but you know, the South, the Southern culture is different
than the West culture. Like we have pro sports out here,
like it's Los Angeles. I got two NBA, we got baseball. Um,
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Lincoln Riley is perfect for wes C. He's offensive, he's progressive,
he's smart, he's not a barker. You can put him
in a room with our mayor pretty family and like
he just I can, dude. There's define against other coaches,
but if you took a sixty eight year old kind
of Southern coach and put him in l A, it
just would feel that's right. It just wouldn't feel like
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he's a little uncomfortable, a little intense. You know. I
was telling you before the turn this thing on. People
don't hunt their horn and l A we have. It's
the second biggest county in the country. We have ten
million of people in La County and there's a lot
of people on the road. It should just be honking
all day, and it's not. It's just chill people here
are They're just laid back, you know, everybody's there's no hurry.
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I want to give coach Kelly some credit though, because
I feel like if there was one person from around
the country that is not a West Coast guy that
can make it work, it would be him. I think
it's because he does so like adapting people around him
to his ologies and like what he's really preaching that,
and like there's two ways to do it. Like Coach
Kelly was hard on us and made us welcome straight
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line and you're gonna do this that in the third
you're gonna finish all this stuff. But it's successful as results,
where as coach streaming on the land, you also have
to walking straight line. Don't get me wrong, but it's
a little more loose, a little more fun. But like
there's can be downsides above and maybe on this side.
On Coach Kelly's side, guys can get a little stressed out.
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Guys can kind of overplay the moment that they're in.
Everything is a lot more important than you think it is,
um and then you go streaming side, guys can get
maybe a little too loose, a little unfocused. Stuff like that.
So I think they both offered great things. And I
think that Coach Kelly, I think we'll do well at LSU.
I think he'll do well. Yeah, everybody's bragging on him
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now because it's just an easy target, but I think
he'll do perfectly. I don't like hiscing, but you know
he could. What I saw he would have not a
million years. We have done that every day. I'm like
when I see that, I'm like, Coach Kelly's so smart.
He knows exactly what he's doing. Kelly, he probably goes
home and knows he's getting laughed at. Yeah I know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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But I don't know. That doesn't fit his character. But
it makes sense that he does that because I mean,
that's the environment that he's in, and that's the like
he's getting what he wants and he's very meticulous about it.
And it's funny to me because I guess a lot
of people don't know Coach Kelly personally and we understand it,
and it's like we know Coach Kelly and we know
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exactly what he's doing it. It's we used to joke about.
It's like if he ran for mayor of Southern he
would win a landslide. If he ran for governor of Indiana,
he could probably compete to that. It's just like when
he gets in the room in front of people, like
in our team meetings, like the way he goes about
his speeches, it's like you're like locked in the whole time.
It's really well done. He gets the message across really well,
and he does a great job motivating you on day
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to day basis. And I think that's he's gonna have
successful like systems. So like downpat means that not for
twelve years, right, like all these different teams and all
these different players, just like at some point I've been
thinking about it's the common denominatory. I think it'll be
very interesting to see how that translates to a different team,
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right right for so long, So I'm just see how
that goes out. sEH. I think we'll do great. Um,
once he gets his system, It's very like you win
a lot of the proofs of the playing, like you
see their class. Oh yeah, and Marcus is, by the way,
is crush. Marcus is classes. Marcus is going to be
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a great recruiter and a great fit. Just you just
tell a lot of them. On three or four days
after he had it, he just lights up the TV.
Can he just he is just a dude. You know,
this is a weird question, but I think about this
all the time. So what I remember being a high
school athlete. I love the bus ryots home after a win.
What was the best flight home? What win at Notre
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Dame and you've got on that flight and you're like, man,
no school tomorrow. We just beat Blank. I'm gonna be
honest with you, I can't really big of one because
we're so tired on that plane, especially coming from like
a Florida State game, where you get on the plane
at one am and you're getting back to your room
at four thirty in the morning. It's just like everybody's excited,
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but at the same time, it's like I'm tired of
hell trying to think. I mean, the Stamford and the
Stamford one was nice because, like you kind of understood,
this is the end of our season season and that
was that was a day game, wasn't It was in
that game and we had to deal with the time
to the time difference too, So I mean, but like
at the same time, you kind of like, all right,
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we worked, we did all the work. We finally this
is what we're showing for our work. Like it was
kind of nice. It just debrief a little bit. It's like,
all right, it's going at this ball game, but off
the time, that's all I could be. We're always talking.
I was thinking about you because you're you're moving off.
So the name image likeness is fascinating to me. So
I don't have a problem with the transfer quortal. I
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do think you should have some in season integrity, like
I think labor to December fifty. You can't move around
to your rival play, but otherwise move I don't have
a problem with name image likeness, although I don't like
using it for high schoolers. I'd rather pay the guys.
There should be a rule you have to pay the
current players. You shouldn't be able to just go buy
a high school or that's not the intention. But I
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think about this. I'll start with you. This really jumps
out to me, is if I grew up, you know,
in most college football layer Ridge right in the middle class,
maybe for a lot, and I think, you know, the
SEC has got more money. They're just gonna they're gonna
be able to just buy kids. Yeah, yeah, it's just
like yeah, but like if I was a quarterback, I
would think of like Lincoln Ryan, I'd be like, that's
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a good fan. And he's not the only one, right,
but Lane Kiffin, You're like, I was a quarterback, that's
a good guy to go to stark at Texas, Like
he that's his thing. Another school comes up and just says,
here's three million dollars. And I look at it, think
to myself, and it's gonna be there's gonna be some
kids that hurt they're developed. You think about that too, Yeah,
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And I think at a point you have to say,
what is three million dollars now compared to if this
coach you, I really believe it can develop me and
move me up from a third round pick to a
first round high first round, that's fifteen million dollars right there.
Oh yeah, So it's really an investment. And I'm sure
they'll still get some an eye all money, but like
they're just it's just show money from their face so
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they can come to school that You think kids will
resent it if somebody got like quarterback gets three millions,
nobody else gets big money. That's the big buzz around it.
And I think a lot of people who aren't in
the locker room are thinking that. But honestly, I don't think.
I mean, in our locker room, we don't have anyone
that's making that crazy amount of money. We don't have
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I don't know, like a Kaile Williams in our locker room.
But I don't think that's actually going on for some reason,
I just feel like everyone's happy for everyone, Like if
you aren't getting yours and make sure we're carded and
if you are, I just feel like everyone is just happy,
Like we have the opportunity to get money. We have
the opportunity to get called football has wanted for so long.
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So I think I feel like, I mean, I don't know,
I feel like we might have like a bias outlook
on that because of like how close our locker rooms
always been. I'm not I'm getting ready to go into
this situation. I'm not sure how it's going to be.
It could be the same, it could be different. But
I personally feel like I can see how some people
I could see a guy on the team making this
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kind of money, or maybe not even the guys want
maybe a guy that came in the program and got
good started making that kind of money. It's like all
of course, and we're happy for and like you worked
for this, like a guy that just came in because
of the money. And I can see how people kind
of I can see that, Like what do you think
about the I don't want to create, Travis, What in
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the way I look at it is per say my
son was some star athlete. Um, I would think about
the school first, because coaches coach would matter school first.
What I worry about that is, if you're the best
corner in the country, I want you going to a
school that you're facing NFL received Like you're done a push,
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you start going. You know, I went to Eastern Washington.
I love Cooper cut his story, but would he have
even benefited more because you can certainly come out of
these small schools. Half the NFL's undrafted. But would it
advance you if you have a better coach and you
have better your cornerback, you have better receivers. By the way,
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you may not be the best in Georgia. You could
be a five star corner and the three star kid
is better. So, like I worry about, like, are you
really challenging yourself? Are you sure every day at practice
you're going up against the guy that's you're equal like
a Notre dame. You know you're facing NFL players. You're
a linebacker. There's a guard pulling that's an NFL guard.
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So that part of me thinks, man, But I also think, great,
it's great. You know they'll find they'll find it. There
are there are no sleepers. Like if you're good, Joe
Flacco went to Delaware colin Capert and going to Nevada,
I mean Big Ben Miami, Ohio. If you start looking
at where all these college got quarterbacks went, like at
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one point Cal had four guys in the NFL and
USC didn't have any, So like you would think it
would be linear. You think you're a five star quarterback,
you go to Notre Dame, USC Alament, Ohio State, and
then you go to the pros. Joe Barrow had to transfer,
Tyler had to transfer. I mean Brady was a sixth
round pick, Rustle a third. I mean Dak was a
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third or four. So again, if you're just sturdy and smart,
you work hard, hope find it honestly, because I mean
think about Cooper Cup like small school, smaller school, and
now what did he surpassed Jerry Rice and what's that
single season records? So it's kind of interesting because, um,
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I think we go into situations like as high school athletes,
we go into this secreing process, like what school it's
going to give me? The Like I guess a lot
of people, not me personally, what what school is going
to give me? The best football platform to propel me
to lead as fast as I can. And sometimes that
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school is less fit for you, and it doesn't work
out for a lot of kids that way. And that's
just like an interesting dynamic. Well they think that's always
been fascinating about Notre Dame. I remember Rich Rodrigo stuff
in Michigan, John and people said that he didn't fit
Michigan the accent, And I think, to myself, that's an adult.
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What about kids? Like I think sometimes the media for
guests that let's say you're a young athlete and your
brother has a learning disability, and so you're really close
to your brother, like you really you have a relationship
with your brother, and you know your mom and dad
have split up and your mom needs help. You may
be better off going to Troy and it's better for
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your family, it's better for your uh, if he makes
you feel better, if you socially fit better than going
north to Penn State. There is no right answer. I
like a lot of kids, we go through the high
school process and it's a little harder to It's even
harder today than the West for us because like social
media and tik talk, Instagram, like seven ratings obviously, like
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kids aren't being honest with themselves, and where do you
want to go to school? And then choose names or
or names that people put in their head because of
the fact that other people are influencing. Calvin Johnson because
he's the best college reuter I've ever seen. Really, Oh,
he was insane. He and Randy Moss insane. He went
to Georgia Tech. He's from Alana. He was like, I
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must want to be on because I thought it was
cool engineering. I wanted to play in Atlanta. I was like,
it's a good decision. They run an offense that was
like the worst off people will find you, and I
just think, you know, I look at my life and
I think it. I went to a school that I
could small town Chenie, Washington. It was just perfect for me.
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I came from a small town. I couldn't have hand St.
John's in New York, USC. I would just been overwhelmed
by it. So University of Washington in CEO UM, but
they didn't have you know, broadcasting, uh in Eastern I
could kind of take over the department. It was one
of those schools where you're ambitious. It was yours. So
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it worked out for me, and I don't know what
would have happened had I gone elsewhere. But um, all
the crap, although you never admitted in the moment, is
so good for you. All the hard stuff like Notre Dame,
it's hard. But I gotta tell you something. I always
tell people I have all the necessary things needed to
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be successful. Divorced when I was young, doubted by everybody,
Like I checked all the boxes of somebody who career.
Everybody doubted and it's like, there's no crutches. He's like, yeah,
I watched Kanye's documentary. There fantastic dude. He's going, don't
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spoil it, you're gonna see something. But there's one moment
he's so ambitious, he's already talented, he's It just made
me so angry. He's walking into these music offices and
he's putting a tape beat and he's doing his thing,
and I'm sitting there going, would you listen to him?
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He's good. I don't even know music, and I'm like,
that's good. And they wouldn't listen to I would go
to the other office and I'm like, nobody gave him respect.
And I'm like, Steve Nash went to Santa Clara. Steph
Curu went to Davidson like, I don't think it's a coincidence.
I think that doubt all these NFL quarterbacks, Aaron Rodgers
junior college. I don't think it's an see him and
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just didn't hear that story. They were coming to see
somebody else and they just saw him cow song throwing football,
and they're like, who's that offered him? So I told
my kids all the time, your first jove will never
be your best. Critics are your friend. It's just the
difference between all of us really is toughness. I mean
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Kobe Bryant's bill, it looks like, you know, six things.
He had a dunk with two hands. He didn't have
like Michael's handling. He was quick, but he didn't jump
like Dominique. He didn't have Michael's hands. Kobe just wanted
it more. Remember going to a Laker practice line years
and years ago. He was absurdly competitive to get practice.
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Shouldn't free phone to wrap it up. He would meet
like if you play horse, you beat him. He wouldn't
leave him to beat you. And it's like, I'm not
saying Kobe didn't have some genetic advantages, but you start
looking around like Shack was literally different, right, like yea,
you know there's certain people like Adrian Peterson of high school.
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You're like, how does he Jim Brown? But I mean
most of it's just here. How bad do you want?
I want to touch on you in a sense and
that in that area kind of like because growing up
for me, my person like Sports Nation was like, yeah,
I used to get up seven thirty more waiting for
the school bus and watch sports or like watch the
(25:45):
Sports Nation. I recorded from last yesterday afternoon and loved
you and Michelle Beatle. I was like my favorite show
to watch, and um I voted and went online, voted
on all this stuff on the website, voted on favorite whatever.
But the question was, but like obviously at that point
I was kind of like I feel like a turning
point for you, like going out to the Fox stuff
(26:07):
and now with the volume. But like, up until that point,
you obviously crossed the cross roads, like ran into some conflict,
ran an issue in your life. Where do you have
an example where you like and what you thought to
get through it? Like this is a decision I have
to make, not an easy decision, but this is what's
best for me, and like show toughness in that sense,
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I'm always my belief is I want to be the
best of me. So I did Sports Nation because I
did a radio show. It was popular, and the network
came to me and they said, we want to do
a show with you. I said, I just don't want
it to be like every other show. Put me next
to a woman, it was funny, give me a staff
that's young and funny, and let's just make it happen.
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And it took like a six to eight months to building,
and then after I did it, uh for a couple
of years, it's like, Okay, that was good. It was
exhausting because I was doing two shows a day, but
I was just thinking there's gonna because it was clearly
built for younger people. And I remember thinking, Okay, I'm
getting in my forties. How do I connect with seventeen
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old kids? And I'm like that the show was goofy
and funny. So I thought, there's this next wave in
generation of kids. They're not going to listen to a
m radio and me so like, you know, like McDonald's,
there's a reason they freaking gears had toys they give
away these fast food plays. They're trying to get kids
in right like, so to me it was almost like
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all get better. There was no script on the show. Michelle.
Michelle was a thousand miles an hour fast. She could
have been a standard comic. You had to be on
your toes. It was live, no script. You know. Our
thing was a lot of stuff is scripted and teleprompted
at ESPN, and our thing was we knew most people
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the company couldn't do the show because Michelle and I
were just I think that's what made it so good though.
It's just like it's like you're having a conversation rather
than reading off the telegraphed. I just want to do
stuff and keep fun and keep young, and um Sports
Nation is really fun and it was a breakthrough Wiggles.
You know, you could see it had an influence on
other shows and building veil kind of light them. We're
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talking about challenges a lot. I don't know if you
might have me asking me this, but like, how do
you deal with Obviously when you pay some challenges it's
a risk instance, but like how do you deal with failing?
Like when you take challenge, you have to really believe
in yourselves. You know, I tell you broadcasters all the time,
trust yourself to not the notes like you know you
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so be truly you. Um. I think Nick Saban talked
about this could be Warren Buffett. We all have an
inner score board in an outer school. So whenever I
see anybody, their clothes matter, or cars matter, their appearances.
Failing that's outer scoreboards. A lot of that stuff is
just projected, like the inner score board is. How do
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you really believe in yourself? Do you have to have
confidence in your belief system? So I always believed in me.
So when I fail, if you take risks, I mean
the guy that owns Fox he started like GoF with
his nephew the other day. Yeah, but they don't act
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like they're normal people or never know you never know
a guy. I mean, what's what's the worst failure you
enter the transporportal? I went to Notre Dame and it
didn't all right, It's an experience. I don't know if
it's failure. How many high school alts America just Notre Dame.
A recruit be offered and see you land there. That's insane.
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It's sort of the great athletic academic opportunities in the world,
So if you could step on it for a week.
I've had two friends that went there. They're like the
greatest thing I've ever done in my life, and they're
both in their thirties and points the failure is, you
know what they say, it's not fatal. How somebody says no.
I've been told no, rejected for a lot of jobs.
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Fatal kind of compliment those two questions, at what point,
either grade school, high school, college, that you knew like
sports broadcasting, sports media was for you, or when did
you make that decision that it needs to be for
seven or eight years old? When did you know sports
for you eight years old? I love it eight, but
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you love it eight to nine years old. I think
your brain gets wired how color? And when did you
know you're gonna play football? It was raised around it,
so like fifth grade five, okayout was seven years old,
Like you fall in love the stuff early and it
never leaves the teams I love when I was nine,
I still it kind of emotionally connected to you guys,
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just filling over football and it's just trust yourself. You
know what you love, you love And years ago I
went to a therapist because when I moved to the
ESPN and box, there's a lot of moving parts in
my mm hm, so I strongly recommend therapy. So I
think you just want to get some stuff out, you know,
there's too many movie parts here. I got a new job,
new family, new house, new I mean the new state.
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We were talking about brain function and the therapist and
there was a real moment where my wife's an artist
and I'm more account brain and there was a really
interesting moment. So I was in a therapist office and
this is like the eight time I met it. And
he said, for instance, calling you never noticed the fraud,
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This is like trick question from there And he said
you've never noticed it? And I said, no idea what
we're talking about? And he said look at me and
move your eyes up to and you know, with a
giant frog from the writer who And he said, your
wife will because and she would have. My wife can
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walk into walk out memorized color schemes. As an artist.
She sees things I don't see. And as I walked
out that, I was like, wow, why do I fight everyone?
She seems a different word. So I have this rigidity
in my brain that allows me to talk to myself
for hours and stay go a mild DP And she's
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this artist you can see textures, and she's a chef
and she's a creator, and you still payton to do that.
And sometimes I get frustrated with those who still pained.
But in that moment, I was like, oh my god,
she's got a different brain function and I do. So
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I just have to understand. I love with a artist
that she sees things in rooms and people I can't see.
We were literally I've had like conversations about the weekend
about this is like because us through your relationships, and
we were just talking about how our brains just don't
function like with functions differently than like our girl friends.
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And I think it just comes with maturity because the
way you just explained it makes me feel like I
was just being very exactly the way I was. But
it's just like you have to not everybody's can conform
to the way that you think men things, and I
think it's up to us to see the perspective they're
coming from, understand how they can see it through their eyes, right,
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because like you said, your wife can see the frog,
you have never seen the frog. The frog can be
a metaphor for an argument, whatever it is. And I
think that was a great way of putting it that
we can sometimes open our mind a little bit. If
you look, if you look Kyli and you guys, if
you look at social media. This is the thing I
don't engage in. It's mostly people trying to convince you
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to think like themative you need to think like me,
and it's like you just see the world. You could be.
You could be incredibly driven and optimistic, and I could
be sad. I mean I think about this all the time.
Good looking got you all your trype. In your high school.
You were a taller, good looking guy. Girls were attractive
to you. You have a confidence, probably naturally because of
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your parents, and also you were very good at sports.
What about the kid that is his family is overweight
and he's small, and he's been picking them. So you
could potentially be the kind of person that, like you said,
old New Genda and he's been doubted and he he
lacks self esteem. You could be taught. Those two people
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could engage in a conversation on Twitter. You just don't
know what people have gone through you were you bullied
in high school or were you the prom queen, did
you have good genetics of you? You know, George Clooney's kids,
Denzel's kids don't look pretty good right, like, like there's
just I saw a study the other day where it
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was just came down the other day and it said
better looking people are live longer or they're healthier, and
I thought, well, of course they feel better, they're happier.
They don't deal with the stress of being bullied or
mob so like when I go to social media, it's
people trying to convince you to conform to their way
of life, and it's like that is just the furthest
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I have strong sports definions. I think they're really smart.
Maybe I think you should agree with but you know,
if you like soul food, you know, and I and
I like sushi, like I'm good and I wish. I
think if I'm disappointed in society, it's that more people
don't care therapy and more people don't understand that. Look,
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were all this together. I mean, if a bomb went
off right now in a mushroom while came up, we'd
be united nine eleven. Everybody's united. It takes tragedies and
then we're all like whoa who cares about all that stuff.
Let's save our lives. Like nine eleven was the saddest
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moment in my life as an American, and then part
of you. It's the duality of life. I'm like, oh god,
they're so united. That's why I love sports. When you go,
when you're a Notre Dame stadium, that's incredible, Like eighty
thousand people love you that you just think about the
emotional state of that stadium that is so great. I mean,
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there's so much love and and commitment and passion. That's
why sports to me is so a movie. I could.
People have asked me to do politics, and I'm saying
it's so angry and devisive. I'm sitting there, I'm I'm
twenty states away from you guys, watching you guys play,
and I'm just like so into it emotional. It literally
makes my life. I'm watching Notre Dame game and you're playing,
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and I'm like, my life is better right now. And
you guys before today, I've never met me, And I
just think, how lucky are all of us to have
college sports pro sports. If you're in a small town Odessa,
your high school teams great. If you're an ann arbor,
your college team is. So there's sports for everyone. There's
there from a question into volleyball, small pound football, the
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big city n b A, Like it's such an important
part of our life. Is social media tears us apart,
sports simultaneously like brings us together. It's like politics is
the turbulence in the air. Sports is the plane that
is built to handle the turbulence. Like you know what
I mean. So it's I just I'm kind of rambling,
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but I just always feel so lucky to be in
the sports ecosystem and all the time, even even on teams,
like you've got a guy like me who come from
Baltimore in the city Baltimore, and didn't you're met up
with Connor or Kyle or kJ who come from Atlanta
and California. Without sports, I wouldn't cross paths these guys.
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Without sports, I wouldn't know you, honestly. So it's just
like interesting, is like even outside of sports fan basis,
Like you have a guy who's probably conservative and very liberal,
but they both cheer for the Ravens and they both
come to the game and come together. That's interesting. We'll
talk about how stressful it is, but the end of
the day's sport, play sport like you and especially football,
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it's just a Hundy guys. You're all like you see
him every day, like for almost like the whole year.
You can get so close to them, and then there's
so family. I think it's like a really cool aspect
of it that I'm really glad to point it out
is everyone's in heighted for that those four hours and
not nothing else is brought ups like sports, and then
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you go by your death right and under it too.
You were talking about how we would never meet each
other if it wasn't because of sports, and we're talking
about people being they're both conservative, coming together the same team.
That gives people an opportunity to look at each other
and be like, I've always looked at that different. I've
always looked at the side and so different, have such
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a different mindset to me. We're You're sitting in your
chair for the exact same thing. Now I'm looking across
the table with this person, like, maybe they're not that different. Obviously,
you offer hot takes for a living. I think steaming
steaming hot text some agree, some I think they're steaming
hot and disagree. What do you think let's say, over
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the last five years, what's the hottest take that you've
given to the public that's gotten you like torn to pieces,
gotten you stredded by social media. Well, you know, I
was really hard on Baker Mayfield, but people now acknowledge
there was a lot of right in that. Um gosh,
I pass some whiffs. Um, you know, it's funny. I
didn't think. I didn't know if Katie was gonna work
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for the Warriors. I'm like, dude, just one ball, like
the whole team ship. And then you watched them for
like a game, You're like, yeah, that's gonna work. Um.
You know. I do a segment of week called Colin's
Right Columns Wrong, and I do it every Monday, and
it's about six right, five wrong. I'm wrong a lot. Oh.
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I thought Sam Donald was gonna be the best quarterback
in his class. I love him so much. That Baker
was Lamar and his class. And then the dude from Washington,
Um was that Josh Allen's class too? Man? I really
went so yeah. I would say I think I'm right
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more than wrong. Like I never bought into Westbrook. I
was always like I used that, but like I'm a
Chris Paul guy like, I didn't do efficiency, and I
want my point guard to make others better. So what
I do is like I was right on Tebow, Like
when Tebow got hot, I was like, this is this
is nonsense, this is not gonna work. Is it ever awkward?
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Like have you ever ran into people that you've talked
about on the show and say they've heard you kind
of best? Well, I run into a million people and
everybody's fine. But for years Andy Dalton was called the
red Rifle and I was like, and I was like,
no new nickname, the beige water crystol in him. One
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day I ran into the J. W. Merriott in l A.
And he's the nicest guy in the world. And I
just felt like that because he came up to me.
He goes, hey, I watched all the time, and I thought,
yesterday I watched. But I do think about that. I
think about what I say it to their face. I'm
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very critical of Aaron Rodgers. I would tell him here,
I think he's neat and he's high maintenance. I tell here,
I've invited Baker Manyfield back on my show. I don't hey, Baker.
Baker was just at a restaurant in Manhattan Beach and
a friend of mine on the restaurant, Baker could not
have been nicer, most complimentary, really good guy. Um, So
I don't listen. I get ripped all the time by
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bloggers or media critics. I don't hold budget. If I'm
gonna throw stuff out there, people have a right to
throw it back. So it's a really good question. But
I think you'd be surprised. I'm not as hard as
you think. The stuff I'm hard on really sticks. Um.
But I try to be really positive. I always try
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to find solutions, Like listen, I don't like this guy,
but I don't think it's all his fault. Like yesterday
with Aaron Rodgers, I said, are we sure Matt l
who's right? He inherited thereon he's no better than McCarthy
in the playoffs, and I said, they don't have a
second grade receiver. So I say a lot nice about Aaron,
but the hard stuff is more memorably. Yeah, that's that's
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what everything you want. So I think we're about to
wrap up here, but I want to ask one more question.
You just leave on this note, you have to give
one sports prediction for the rest of the year, one
lot one something that is going to happen with in
terms of roster chains, in terms of who wins this game,
in terms of who loses this game. One is good
bad one thing. You're very confident in sports this year
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Jim Harbaugh will eventually coach in the NFL agere absolutely
this year, and it won't this year, eventually, this year, eventually,
but it won't be within five years. I think he's
fifty eight, he's active, he's in great shape, savings coach
and at seventy and it's like he's fifty eight, he's
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got a long runway. This is why it's a great question.
Sports is hard. You could literally tell me this minute
that Brady is signing with his sin for just go
forty Niners, and I go, all right, they told me
Aaron Rodgers stays and Green Bayer goes to the Broncos,
I'd be like to flip. And that that's why sports
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is great. Here's my big prediction. Steph Curry will win
another championship this Yeah, why not. Somebody's gonna have to
get hurt for the Phoenix Suns and the Milwaukee Bucks.
How about that? How about Golden State Shops the world
and wins. They're kind of small. I love him. I
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love him. That's up. They're not great, but I mean
I respect him. My hot take is I think we
need to screen scort. I also think this is not
that hot. But Lebron's objectively the best best and it's
not really close. He does more things well than anybody ever.
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That should make you the best ever. I think I
like your second person. I get ragged on by my
family all the time. It may just beat me being
a little ignorant wanting to response out of them. But
I was a second even one on one again in
a game till eleven, just me and him. I don't
see him getting around me. I'm gonna put my hand
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is I mean every day, that's every day, that's him,
one on one. I have about twenty five pounds on him.
I think I can get buy them. I think I'm
more athletic than him, and I think I can stay
in front of him and there's nobody there to You
can't run off shoot, let's see, that's my that's the problem.
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That's sort of the game. You put the ball in
the basket, you're not getting there. I think he's way
bigger and stronger than you think. I think he's around. Well,
it's not even ignorance. Like when you go to an
NBA game and you sit down on the floor, you
cannot believe how physical it is, and then five of
the basket it is wrestled. It's incredible. So Steve Nash
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is taller and weighs more than me. If you watch
a game on television, it looks like a little boy's
six three and a half. It's like one nineties and
carry six for I think he's a little okay, little
step If you're watching this, tell me I can stay
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in front of him, get a hand uplong enough, that's
a shot. I just I think if he got the
ball first, I'm not touching it will have enough. Yeah, said, No,
I'm not. I'm not even I'm not even arguing this anymore.
I've heard this conversation too much. We'll have it. We'll
have to figured that out at something real. That's a
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good ending. That's a funny ending. No, thank you for
having out here, hearing calling back yard out in Eli's
house beautiful, So thank you for having love it. Yeah,
let's listen to the podcast. Who
The volumes up. Everybody. Welcome back to the Inside Garage podcast.
I'm calling I'm doing a long word Wallace Connor and
Cam hart Um. So today we are very much so
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outside of the garage. We are actually on the far
side of the country. We're out in l A with
a very special guest today, Mr Colin Coward, probably the
head of the volume family Tree. Yes, and our weather
is way better themselves. Um So, how things have been
going out here? Things are good, the volume is good.
(00:45):
This is uh as you know because your training out here.
Do not believe conservative news outlets. California is nice all
the time. No, it's just a nice place to live
and things are good. Happy, you know, get over you're
worried about your health, and that's good. You guys should
be excited. You got your life just about to change radically.
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So do you have your agent? I do have my
agent with at least first And what's he telling me
we're gonna get drafted? That's the question that I've gone
from a hundred people and I don't know the answer
to yet. Anywhere any part of the country you'd like
to go to, that's another guy. I genuinely don't have
a don't have a place where I'm like, this is
where I want to go really anywhere in the country,
any team, preferably the highest. But um, there's not one
(01:30):
specific team where I'm like, that's where I want to be. Dude,
It's hard to pick and choose at this point because
it's a blessing either way. So I'm just right out
the process. There's a certain alliteration with kJ cam, Kyle,
and Conner. Was that an accident that was very very
much because there's actually two more Kindle and uh Kiren
(01:52):
and it's all cadencies. And then there's the outcast to
Isaiah Rutherford who actually ended up going to Arizona. But yeah,
we're all like a big group. Did you guys know
it was Notre Dame easy for you can't easy as in,
this is where I want to go. M hm. That's interesting, guy.
I think once I got there and understood what I like,
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what Notre Dame entailed, it became easier. But freshman year,
getting used to the strict schedule of the academic rigor,
I think that was probably the most challenging part, honestly
of my life. I talked about this actually earlier because
it's kind of interesting that, like in Cole's position and
you can speak on this um, it's like we have
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this really strict schedule for three to four years, and
then when we come out of it and only half
of our day is as busy as it was at
Nore Dame, it almost seems that other half of the
day we feel very unproductive and feel like we're doing
something wrong with that lives, which is really like a
weird dynamic. Notre Dame prepared you for life, like a
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lot of these schools are just it's like RMAC and
then your you take off for the pros. But Notre
Dame feels it's the beginning of your life. It's a
real life experience because that's what's gonna happen when you're
a pro. You're gonna have business, You're gonna have a family.
Time efficiency for me is everything in my life now,
everything is show life. I got six kids, businesses, travel, wife,
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on a social life. So that efficiency thing, it doesn't
go right because if you already thinking about a joke
about it all time have twenty four hours. I'm not
a big sleeper. You sleep six and a half seven
and you know, let's say I eat for an hour,
I work out for an hour, chill for ninety minutes,
work is whatever it is. You still have like five hours.
But it's amazing. You can sit on that phone and
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you look up and you're like, I'm on the phone
to the phone's really a distraction. If you're not good
at a time efficiency, you're gonna get eaten a lot.
And I think our age group we're like more so
the fifteen year olds now, but I think our age
group grew up in like Instagram then the Twitter, so
it's so much more part of us than it probably
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is to you at this point. And I feel like
having that just like they're like I could just be
sitting I can't like sit in science without just checking
my phone. It's like tough as at certain points of time.
And when I have that, like an extra for three
hours of nothing this it's like stuck to my phone.
That sucks. I feel like one thing that I definitely
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take for granted, Notre Dame and maybe you guys do too,
but like the way it prepares you to communicate with people,
like people of all races, like genders, and college parts
of the world like and the profession we hope to
go in that I'm going into football. It's all about
communication with people who came from whatever. So I think
Notre Dame has, whether that be talking to your football team,
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talking to regular students living in the dorm room right
across from you, who you may not know what I
might have a big influence on your life later. I
think Notre Dame helps you not take for granted that
people around you and how much influence they maybe be
able to have in your life. Do you do you
ever think like there are other college football programs where,
forget just academically, a lot of these kids couldn't fit,
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they couldn't handle. Like so I mean sometimes do you
think to yourself, you know, our standard here is, you know,
and I think everybody understands it, Like the standard Notre
Dame is hard to Standfords the same thing, Like it's
hard and between. For me, it was between Georgia and
Notre Dame obviously night and day in terms of culture. Um,
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but like what you just said, like you're gonna sacrifice
some stuff going to Indie. Obviously Georgia's a little warmer
Notre Dames, like I said, like very humbling and it's
like you're gonna get stuff out of that, and you
kind of have to see past the four years to
really capsulate like everything that you're about to get into.
And I think if you believe in that, when you
get there, you'll do very well, whether it be football
or engineering or medical field, whatever you want to do.
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And I think every that's why a lot of people
from Notre Dames successful, and I think everyone goes to
their name as an athlete as that would able to
say like the aspect of I know, sports not gonna
last revenue like playing sports not, and so everyone kind
of shares that same value and so everyone's kind of
united by that. Like cultures built around like people that obviously,
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like clearly talented would have it actually aspect to them.
And I know that I can do more than just
sports because we've also we talked about this a lot,
like a very cool U school. It kind of adds
to how I guess slept on the social life, like
how because in essence, the social life can be very
challenging because you're around a whole bunch of people who
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have the same mindset and you, as a common in freshman,
you probably don't have that developed mindset. At the time,
you probably think I'm going to ordained, big school, great football,
great academics, but you don't really understand what that means.
So when you get into that, it can sometimes be
challenging and navigate your way through this like social life
and meeting people and like networking and this. I personally,
it's a small school. It's Honey eight thousand, nine thousand undergrads,
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so everyone there has the same mindset that I don't
know even not describe it, but everyone there has the
same mindset, and you as an income and freshman, it
can be tallenging. That's why I think that freshman year,
just getting used to that school and football, it was
like crazy. It's interesting generationally, Yeah, Brian Kelly, who was
very old school. Then you have Marcus Freeman, who feels
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like to me, like an old player, like he's almost
just stopped playing. They probably have different choices and music
and lifestyle and culturally they've grown up differently, Like could
you tell instantly like the minute Marcus was around the building,
I mean he was always around the building, But like
I look at it and I think, you know, my
staff would immediately know if I was replaced by somebody
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that was thirty eight from me because of sort of
the discussion that I have with my staff. Did you
know instantly that Marcus is the coach that it just
feel different? Yeah, I knew from the first before he
was head coached coach, when he was decordinated, Like our
first our first defensive team meeting, He's like, this would
never happen that nere Dame at least when I was there.
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Um our first team and he's like blasting like rapper
a little baby. It's like I'm like, Okay, it's like
a whole different, like vibrant vibe around this dude, which
I think as like a great aspect to them. Sure,
I think he brought a level of excitement to come
with coming to the group every day like um, and
this is not saying anything's worse or better than anything
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like that, but you know, sometimes like going class, going
to practice, going to doing every game camp, like they're like,
you can't get my game. Might do the same thing
every day, but like I felt like, coach Freeman, what
do you do? Just kind of you found ways to
bring excitement to everyday things, And I felt like that
kind of really helped people the gigs. I can do
a job, do the job better and really keep coming back.
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Dames intense if you add Brian's intempseity too intense, like you,
there's an argument that he made the Marcus was perfect
like you. You just he's a little softer and I
like Ryan, but Notre Dame asks a lot of you,
and so there is that balance. You know, Like out
here in California it's looser. You probably need a stronger
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coach a little, you know, because there's a lot to
do out here. You can get in trouble out here
really easily, and so you probably need somebody that's a
little more, you know. Clay Helton at USC was seen
as two nights and two loose, and the program got
loose because it's really easy to get distracted. Interesting, I
never thought about that. I always think, like great coaches
(09:35):
is going to go to a grade school and that's
a great fit, and that's what it is. But I
never thought about, like demographically, how that coach may fit everything.
I think it's you know, through the years, I've noticed this,
but you know, the South, the Southern culture is different
than the West culture. Like we have pro sports out here,
like it's Los Angeles. I got two NBA, we got baseball. Um,
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Lincoln Riley is perfect for wes C. He's offensive, he's progressive,
he's smart, he's not a barker. You can put him
in a room with our mayor pretty family and like
he just I can, dude. There's define against other coaches,
but if you took a sixty eight year old kind
of Southern coach and put him in l A, it
just would feel that's right. It just wouldn't feel like
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he's a little uncomfortable, a little intense. You know. I
was telling you before the turn this thing on. People
don't hunt their horn and l A we have. It's
the second biggest county in the country. We have ten
million of people in La County and there's a lot
of people on the road. It should just be honking
all day, and it's not. It's just chill people here
are They're just laid back, you know, everybody's there's no hurry.
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I want to give coach Kelly some credit though, because
I feel like if there was one person from around
the country that is not a West Coast guy that
can make it work, it would be him. I think
it's because he does so like adapting people around him
to his ologies and like what he's really preaching that,
and like there's two ways to do it. Like Coach
Kelly was hard on us and made us welcome straight
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line and you're gonna do this that in the third
you're gonna finish all this stuff. But it's successful as results,
where as coach streaming on the land, you also have
to walking straight line. Don't get me wrong, but it's
a little more loose, a little more fun. But like
there's can be downsides above and maybe on this side.
On Coach Kelly's side, guys can get a little stressed out.
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Guys can kind of overplay the moment that they're in.
Everything is a lot more important than you think it is,
um and then you go streaming side, guys can get
maybe a little too loose, a little unfocused. Stuff like that.
So I think they both offered great things. And I
think that Coach Kelly, I think we'll do well at LSU.
I think he'll do well. Yeah, everybody's bragging on him
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now because it's just an easy target, but I think
he'll do perfectly. I don't like hiscing, but you know
he could. What I saw he would have not a
million years. We have done that every day. I'm like
when I see that, I'm like, Coach Kelly's so smart.
He knows exactly what he's doing. Kelly, he probably goes
home and knows he's getting laughed at. Yeah I know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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But I don't know. That doesn't fit his character. But
it makes sense that he does that because I mean,
that's the environment that he's in, and that's the like
he's getting what he wants and he's very meticulous about it.
And it's funny to me because I guess a lot
of people don't know Coach Kelly personally and we understand it,
and it's like we know Coach Kelly and we know
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exactly what he's doing it. It's we used to joke about.
It's like if he ran for mayor of Southern he
would win a landslide. If he ran for governor of Indiana,
he could probably compete to that. It's just like when
he gets in the room in front of people, like
in our team meetings, like the way he goes about
his speeches, it's like you're like locked in the whole time.
It's really well done. He gets the message across really well,
and he does a great job motivating you on day
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to day basis. And I think that's he's gonna have
successful like systems. So like downpat means that not for
twelve years, right, like all these different teams and all
these different players, just like at some point I've been
thinking about it's the common denominatory. I think it'll be
very interesting to see how that translates to a different team,
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right right for so long, So I'm just see how
that goes out. sEH. I think we'll do great. Um,
once he gets his system, It's very like you win
a lot of the proofs of the playing, like you
see their class. Oh yeah, and Marcus is, by the way,
is crush. Marcus is classes. Marcus is going to be
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a great recruiter and a great fit. Just you just
tell a lot of them. On three or four days
after he had it, he just lights up the TV.
Can he just he is just a dude. You know,
this is a weird question, but I think about this
all the time. So what I remember being a high
school athlete. I love the bus ryots home after a win.
What was the best flight home? What win at Notre
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Dame and you've got on that flight and you're like, man,
no school tomorrow. We just beat Blank. I'm gonna be
honest with you, I can't really big of one because
we're so tired on that plane, especially coming from like
a Florida State game, where you get on the plane
at one am and you're getting back to your room
at four thirty in the morning. It's just like everybody's excited,
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but at the same time, it's like I'm tired of
hell trying to think. I mean, the Stamford and the
Stamford one was nice because, like you kind of understood,
this is the end of our season season and that
was that was a day game, wasn't It was in
that game and we had to deal with the time
to the time difference too, So I mean, but like
at the same time, you kind of like, all right,
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we worked, we did all the work. We finally this
is what we're showing for our work. Like it was
kind of nice. It just debrief a little bit. It's like,
all right, it's going at this ball game, but off
the time, that's all I could be. We're always talking.
I was thinking about you because you're you're moving off.
So the name image likeness is fascinating to me. So
I don't have a problem with the transfer quortal. I
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do think you should have some in season integrity, like
I think labor to December fifty. You can't move around
to your rival play, but otherwise move I don't have
a problem with name image likeness, although I don't like
using it for high schoolers. I'd rather pay the guys.
There should be a rule you have to pay the
current players. You shouldn't be able to just go buy
a high school or that's not the intention. But I
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think about this. I'll start with you. This really jumps
out to me, is if I grew up, you know,
in most college football layer Ridge right in the middle class,
maybe for a lot, and I think, you know, the
SEC has got more money. They're just gonna they're gonna
be able to just buy kids. Yeah, yeah, it's just
like yeah, but like if I was a quarterback, I
would think of like Lincoln Ryan, I'd be like, that's
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a good fan. And he's not the only one, right,
but Lane Kiffin, You're like, I was a quarterback, that's
a good guy to go to stark at Texas, Like
he that's his thing. Another school comes up and just says,
here's three million dollars. And I look at it, think
to myself, and it's gonna be there's gonna be some
kids that hurt they're developed. You think about that too, Yeah,
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And I think at a point you have to say,
what is three million dollars now compared to if this
coach you, I really believe it can develop me and
move me up from a third round pick to a
first round high first round, that's fifteen million dollars right there.
Oh yeah, So it's really an investment. And I'm sure
they'll still get some an eye all money, but like
they're just it's just show money from their face so
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they can come to school that You think kids will
resent it if somebody got like quarterback gets three millions,
nobody else gets big money. That's the big buzz around it.
And I think a lot of people who aren't in
the locker room are thinking that. But honestly, I don't think.
I mean, in our locker room, we don't have anyone
that's making that crazy amount of money. We don't have
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I don't know, like a Kaile Williams in our locker room.
But I don't think that's actually going on for some reason,
I just feel like everyone's happy for everyone, Like if
you aren't getting yours and make sure we're carded and
if you are, I just feel like everyone is just happy,
Like we have the opportunity to get money. We have
the opportunity to get called football has wanted for so long.
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So I think I feel like, I mean, I don't know,
I feel like we might have like a bias outlook
on that because of like how close our locker rooms
always been. I'm not I'm getting ready to go into
this situation. I'm not sure how it's going to be.
It could be the same, it could be different. But
I personally feel like I can see how some people
I could see a guy on the team making this
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kind of money, or maybe not even the guys want
maybe a guy that came in the program and got
good started making that kind of money. It's like all
of course, and we're happy for and like you worked
for this, like a guy that just came in because
of the money. And I can see how people kind
of I can see that, Like what do you think
about the I don't want to create, Travis, What in
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the way I look at it is per say my
son was some star athlete. Um, I would think about
the school first, because coaches coach would matter school first.
What I worry about that is, if you're the best
corner in the country, I want you going to a
school that you're facing NFL received Like you're done a push,
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you start going. You know, I went to Eastern Washington.
I love Cooper cut his story, but would he have
even benefited more because you can certainly come out of
these small schools. Half the NFL's undrafted. But would it
advance you if you have a better coach and you
have better your cornerback, you have better receivers. By the way,
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you may not be the best in Georgia. You could
be a five star corner and the three star kid
is better. So, like I worry about, like, are you
really challenging yourself? Are you sure every day at practice
you're going up against the guy that's you're equal like
a Notre dame. You know you're facing NFL players. You're
a linebacker. There's a guard pulling that's an NFL guard.
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So that part of me thinks, man, But I also think, great,
it's great. You know they'll find they'll find it. There
are there are no sleepers. Like if you're good, Joe
Flacco went to Delaware colin Capert and going to Nevada,
I mean Big Ben Miami, Ohio. If you start looking
at where all these college got quarterbacks went, like at
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one point Cal had four guys in the NFL and
USC didn't have any, So like you would think it
would be linear. You think you're a five star quarterback,
you go to Notre Dame, USC Alament, Ohio State, and
then you go to the pros. Joe Barrow had to transfer,
Tyler had to transfer. I mean Brady was a sixth
round pick, Rustle a third. I mean Dak was a
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third or four. So again, if you're just sturdy and smart,
you work hard, hope find it honestly, because I mean
think about Cooper Cup like small school, smaller school, and
now what did he surpassed Jerry Rice and what's that
single season records? So it's kind of interesting because, um,
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I think we go into situations like as high school athletes,
we go into this secreing process, like what school it's
going to give me? The Like I guess a lot
of people, not me personally, what what school is going
to give me? The best football platform to propel me
to lead as fast as I can. And sometimes that
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school is less fit for you, and it doesn't work
out for a lot of kids that way. And that's
just like an interesting dynamic. Well they think that's always
been fascinating about Notre Dame. I remember Rich Rodrigo stuff
in Michigan, John and people said that he didn't fit
Michigan the accent, And I think, to myself, that's an adult.
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What about kids? Like I think sometimes the media for
guests that let's say you're a young athlete and your
brother has a learning disability, and so you're really close
to your brother, like you really you have a relationship
with your brother, and you know your mom and dad
have split up and your mom needs help. You may
be better off going to Troy and it's better for
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your family, it's better for your uh, if he makes
you feel better, if you socially fit better than going
north to Penn State. There is no right answer. I
like a lot of kids, we go through the high
school process and it's a little harder to It's even
harder today than the West for us because like social
media and tik talk, Instagram, like seven ratings obviously, like
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kids aren't being honest with themselves, and where do you
want to go to school? And then choose names or
or names that people put in their head because of
the fact that other people are influencing. Calvin Johnson because
he's the best college reuter I've ever seen. Really, Oh,
he was insane. He and Randy Moss insane. He went
to Georgia Tech. He's from Alana. He was like, I
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must want to be on because I thought it was
cool engineering. I wanted to play in Atlanta. I was like,
it's a good decision. They run an offense that was
like the worst off people will find you, and I
just think, you know, I look at my life and
I think it. I went to a school that I
could small town Chenie, Washington. It was just perfect for me.
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I came from a small town. I couldn't have hand St.
John's in New York, USC. I would just been overwhelmed
by it. So University of Washington in CEO UM, but
they didn't have you know, broadcasting, uh in Eastern I
could kind of take over the department. It was one
of those schools where you're ambitious. It was yours. So
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it worked out for me, and I don't know what
would have happened had I gone elsewhere. But um, all
the crap, although you never admitted in the moment, is
so good for you. All the hard stuff like Notre Dame,
it's hard. But I gotta tell you something. I always
tell people I have all the necessary things needed to
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be successful. Divorced when I was young, doubted by everybody,
Like I checked all the boxes of somebody who career.
Everybody doubted and it's like, there's no crutches. He's like, yeah,
I watched Kanye's documentary. There fantastic dude. He's going, don't
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spoil it, you're gonna see something. But there's one moment
he's so ambitious, he's already talented, he's It just made
me so angry. He's walking into these music offices and
he's putting a tape beat and he's doing his thing,
and I'm sitting there going, would you listen to him?
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He's good. I don't even know music, and I'm like,
that's good. And they wouldn't listen to I would go
to the other office and I'm like, nobody gave him respect.
And I'm like, Steve Nash went to Santa Clara. Steph
Curu went to Davidson like, I don't think it's a coincidence.
I think that doubt all these NFL quarterbacks, Aaron Rodgers
junior college. I don't think it's an see him and
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just didn't hear that story. They were coming to see
somebody else and they just saw him cow song throwing football,
and they're like, who's that offered him? So I told
my kids all the time, your first jove will never
be your best. Critics are your friend. It's just the
difference between all of us really is toughness. I mean
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Kobe Bryant's bill, it looks like, you know, six things.
He had a dunk with two hands. He didn't have
like Michael's handling. He was quick, but he didn't jump
like Dominique. He didn't have Michael's hands. Kobe just wanted
it more. Remember going to a Laker practice line years
and years ago. He was absurdly competitive to get practice.
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Shouldn't free phone to wrap it up. He would meet
like if you play horse, you beat him. He wouldn't
leave him to beat you. And it's like, I'm not
saying Kobe didn't have some genetic advantages, but you start
looking around like Shack was literally different, right, like yea,
you know there's certain people like Adrian Peterson of high school.
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You're like, how does he Jim Brown? But I mean
most of it's just here. How bad do you want?
I want to touch on you in a sense and
that in that area kind of like because growing up
for me, my person like Sports Nation was like, yeah,
I used to get up seven thirty more waiting for
the school bus and watch sports or like watch the
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Sports Nation. I recorded from last yesterday afternoon and loved
you and Michelle Beatle. I was like my favorite show
to watch, and um I voted and went online, voted
on all this stuff on the website, voted on favorite whatever.
But the question was, but like obviously at that point
I was kind of like I feel like a turning
point for you, like going out to the Fox stuff
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and now with the volume. But like, up until that point,
you obviously crossed the cross roads, like ran into some conflict,
ran an issue in your life. Where do you have
an example where you like and what you thought to
get through it? Like this is a decision I have
to make, not an easy decision, but this is what's
best for me, and like show toughness in that sense,
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I'm always my belief is I want to be the
best of me. So I did Sports Nation because I
did a radio show. It was popular, and the network
came to me and they said, we want to do
a show with you. I said, I just don't want
it to be like every other show. Put me next
to a woman, it was funny, give me a staff
that's young and funny, and let's just make it happen.
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And it took like a six to eight months to building,
and then after I did it, uh for a couple
of years, it's like, Okay, that was good. It was
exhausting because I was doing two shows a day, but
I was just thinking there's gonna because it was clearly
built for younger people. And I remember thinking, Okay, I'm
getting in my forties. How do I connect with seventeen
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old kids? And I'm like that the show was goofy
and funny. So I thought, there's this next wave in
generation of kids. They're not going to listen to a
m radio and me so like, you know, like McDonald's,
there's a reason they freaking gears had toys they give
away these fast food plays. They're trying to get kids
in right like, so to me it was almost like
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all get better. There was no script on the show. Michelle.
Michelle was a thousand miles an hour fast. She could
have been a standard comic. You had to be on
your toes. It was live, no script. You know. Our
thing was a lot of stuff is scripted and teleprompted
at ESPN, and our thing was we knew most people
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the company couldn't do the show because Michelle and I
were just I think that's what made it so good though.
It's just like it's like you're having a conversation rather
than reading off the telegraphed. I just want to do
stuff and keep fun and keep young, and um Sports
Nation is really fun and it was a breakthrough Wiggles.
You know, you could see it had an influence on
other shows and building veil kind of light them. We're
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talking about challenges a lot. I don't know if you
might have me asking me this, but like, how do
you deal with Obviously when you pay some challenges it's
a risk instance, but like how do you deal with failing?
Like when you take challenge, you have to really believe
in yourselves. You know, I tell you broadcasters all the time,
trust yourself to not the notes like you know you
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so be truly you. Um. I think Nick Saban talked
about this could be Warren Buffett. We all have an
inner score board in an outer school. So whenever I
see anybody, their clothes matter, or cars matter, their appearances.
Failing that's outer scoreboards. A lot of that stuff is
just projected, like the inner score board is. How do
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you really believe in yourself? Do you have to have
confidence in your belief system? So I always believed in me.
So when I fail, if you take risks, I mean
the guy that owns Fox he started like GoF with
his nephew the other day. Yeah, but they don't act
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like they're normal people or never know you never know
a guy. I mean, what's what's the worst failure you
enter the transporportal? I went to Notre Dame and it
didn't all right, It's an experience. I don't know if
it's failure. How many high school alts America just Notre Dame.
A recruit be offered and see you land there. That's insane.
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It's sort of the great athletic academic opportunities in the world,
So if you could step on it for a week.
I've had two friends that went there. They're like the
greatest thing I've ever done in my life, and they're
both in their thirties and points the failure is, you
know what they say, it's not fatal. How somebody says no.
I've been told no, rejected for a lot of jobs.
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Fatal kind of compliment those two questions, at what point,
either grade school, high school, college, that you knew like
sports broadcasting, sports media was for you, or when did
you make that decision that it needs to be for
seven or eight years old? When did you know sports
for you eight years old? I love it eight, but
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you love it eight to nine years old. I think
your brain gets wired how color? And when did you
know you're gonna play football? It was raised around it,
so like fifth grade five, okayout was seven years old,
Like you fall in love the stuff early and it
never leaves the teams I love when I was nine,
I still it kind of emotionally connected to you guys,
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just filling over football and it's just trust yourself. You
know what you love, you love And years ago I
went to a therapist because when I moved to the
ESPN and box, there's a lot of moving parts in
my mm hm, so I strongly recommend therapy. So I
think you just want to get some stuff out, you know,
there's too many movie parts here. I got a new job,
new family, new house, new I mean the new state.
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We were talking about brain function and the therapist and
there was a real moment where my wife's an artist
and I'm more account brain and there was a really
interesting moment. So I was in a therapist office and
this is like the eight time I met it. And
he said, for instance, calling you never noticed the fraud,
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This is like trick question from there And he said
you've never noticed it? And I said, no idea what
we're talking about? And he said look at me and
move your eyes up to and you know, with a
giant frog from the writer who And he said, your
wife will because and she would have. My wife can
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walk into walk out memorized color schemes. As an artist.
She sees things I don't see. And as I walked
out that, I was like, wow, why do I fight everyone?
She seems a different word. So I have this rigidity
in my brain that allows me to talk to myself
for hours and stay go a mild DP And she's
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this artist you can see textures, and she's a chef
and she's a creator, and you still payton to do that.
And sometimes I get frustrated with those who still pained.
But in that moment, I was like, oh my god,
she's got a different brain function and I do. So
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I just have to understand. I love with a artist
that she sees things in rooms and people I can't see.
We were literally I've had like conversations about the weekend
about this is like because us through your relationships, and
we were just talking about how our brains just don't
function like with functions differently than like our girl friends.
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And I think it just comes with maturity because the
way you just explained it makes me feel like I
was just being very exactly the way I was. But
it's just like you have to not everybody's can conform
to the way that you think men things, and I
think it's up to us to see the perspective they're
coming from, understand how they can see it through their eyes, right,
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because like you said, your wife can see the frog,
you have never seen the frog. The frog can be
a metaphor for an argument, whatever it is. And I
think that was a great way of putting it that
we can sometimes open our mind a little bit. If
you look, if you look Kyli and you guys, if
you look at social media. This is the thing I
don't engage in. It's mostly people trying to convince you
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to think like themative you need to think like me,
and it's like you just see the world. You could be.
You could be incredibly driven and optimistic, and I could
be sad. I mean I think about this all the time.
Good looking got you all your trype. In your high school.
You were a taller, good looking guy. Girls were attractive
to you. You have a confidence, probably naturally because of
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your parents, and also you were very good at sports.
What about the kid that is his family is overweight
and he's small, and he's been picking them. So you
could potentially be the kind of person that, like you said,
old New Genda and he's been doubted and he he
lacks self esteem. You could be taught. Those two people
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could engage in a conversation on Twitter. You just don't
know what people have gone through you were you bullied
in high school or were you the prom queen, did
you have good genetics of you? You know, George Clooney's kids,
Denzel's kids don't look pretty good right, like, like there's
just I saw a study the other day where it
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was just came down the other day and it said
better looking people are live longer or they're healthier, and
I thought, well, of course they feel better, they're happier.
They don't deal with the stress of being bullied or
mob so like when I go to social media, it's
people trying to convince you to conform to their way
of life, and it's like that is just the furthest
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I have strong sports definions. I think they're really smart.
Maybe I think you should agree with but you know,
if you like soul food, you know, and I and
I like sushi, like I'm good and I wish. I
think if I'm disappointed in society, it's that more people
don't care therapy and more people don't understand that. Look,
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were all this together. I mean, if a bomb went
off right now in a mushroom while came up, we'd
be united nine eleven. Everybody's united. It takes tragedies and
then we're all like whoa who cares about all that stuff.
Let's save our lives. Like nine eleven was the saddest
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moment in my life as an American, and then part
of you. It's the duality of life. I'm like, oh god,
they're so united. That's why I love sports. When you go,
when you're a Notre Dame stadium, that's incredible, Like eighty
thousand people love you that you just think about the
emotional state of that stadium that is so great. I mean,
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there's so much love and and commitment and passion. That's
why sports to me is so a movie. I could.
People have asked me to do politics, and I'm saying
it's so angry and devisive. I'm sitting there, I'm I'm
twenty states away from you guys, watching you guys play,
and I'm just like so into it emotional. It literally
makes my life. I'm watching Notre Dame game and you're playing,
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and I'm like, my life is better right now. And
you guys before today, I've never met me, And I
just think, how lucky are all of us to have
college sports pro sports. If you're in a small town Odessa,
your high school teams great. If you're an ann arbor,
your college team is. So there's sports for everyone. There's
there from a question into volleyball, small pound football, the
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big city n b A, Like it's such an important
part of our life. Is social media tears us apart,
sports simultaneously like brings us together. It's like politics is
the turbulence in the air. Sports is the plane that
is built to handle the turbulence. Like you know what
I mean. So it's I just I'm kind of rambling,
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but I just always feel so lucky to be in
the sports ecosystem and all the time, even even on teams,
like you've got a guy like me who come from
Baltimore in the city Baltimore, and didn't you're met up
with Connor or Kyle or kJ who come from Atlanta
and California. Without sports, I wouldn't cross paths these guys.
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Without sports, I wouldn't know you, honestly. So it's just
like interesting, is like even outside of sports fan basis,
Like you have a guy who's probably conservative and very liberal,
but they both cheer for the Ravens and they both
come to the game and come together. That's interesting. We'll
talk about how stressful it is, but the end of
the day's sport, play sport like you and especially football,
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it's just a Hundy guys. You're all like you see
him every day, like for almost like the whole year.
You can get so close to them, and then there's
so family. I think it's like a really cool aspect
of it that I'm really glad to point it out
is everyone's in heighted for that those four hours and
not nothing else is brought ups like sports, and then
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you go by your death right and under it too.
You were talking about how we would never meet each
other if it wasn't because of sports, and we're talking
about people being they're both conservative, coming together the same team.
That gives people an opportunity to look at each other
and be like, I've always looked at that different. I've
always looked at the side and so different, have such
(38:47):
a different mindset to me. We're You're sitting in your
chair for the exact same thing. Now I'm looking across
the table with this person, like, maybe they're not that different. Obviously,
you offer hot takes for a living. I think steaming
steaming hot text some agree, some I think they're steaming
hot and disagree. What do you think let's say, over
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the last five years, what's the hottest take that you've
given to the public that's gotten you like torn to pieces,
gotten you stredded by social media. Well, you know, I
was really hard on Baker Mayfield, but people now acknowledge
there was a lot of right in that. Um gosh,
I pass some whiffs. Um, you know, it's funny. I
didn't think. I didn't know if Katie was gonna work
(39:30):
for the Warriors. I'm like, dude, just one ball, like
the whole team ship. And then you watched them for
like a game, You're like, yeah, that's gonna work. Um.
You know. I do a segment of week called Colin's
Right Columns Wrong, and I do it every Monday, and
it's about six right, five wrong. I'm wrong a lot. Oh.
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I thought Sam Donald was gonna be the best quarterback
in his class. I love him so much. That Baker
was Lamar and his class. And then the dude from Washington,
Um was that Josh Allen's class too? Man? I really
went so yeah. I would say I think I'm right
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more than wrong. Like I never bought into Westbrook. I
was always like I used that, but like I'm a
Chris Paul guy like, I didn't do efficiency, and I
want my point guard to make others better. So what
I do is like I was right on Tebow, Like
when Tebow got hot, I was like, this is this
is nonsense, this is not gonna work. Is it ever awkward?
(40:37):
Like have you ever ran into people that you've talked
about on the show and say they've heard you kind
of best? Well, I run into a million people and
everybody's fine. But for years Andy Dalton was called the
red Rifle and I was like, and I was like,
no new nickname, the beige water crystol in him. One
(41:00):
day I ran into the J. W. Merriott in l A.
And he's the nicest guy in the world. And I
just felt like that because he came up to me.
He goes, hey, I watched all the time, and I thought,
yesterday I watched. But I do think about that. I
think about what I say it to their face. I'm
(41:22):
very critical of Aaron Rodgers. I would tell him here,
I think he's neat and he's high maintenance. I tell here,
I've invited Baker Manyfield back on my show. I don't hey, Baker.
Baker was just at a restaurant in Manhattan Beach and
a friend of mine on the restaurant, Baker could not
have been nicer, most complimentary, really good guy. Um, So
I don't listen. I get ripped all the time by
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bloggers or media critics. I don't hold budget. If I'm
gonna throw stuff out there, people have a right to
throw it back. So it's a really good question. But
I think you'd be surprised. I'm not as hard as
you think. The stuff I'm hard on really sticks. Um.
But I try to be really positive. I always try
(42:05):
to find solutions, Like listen, I don't like this guy,
but I don't think it's all his fault. Like yesterday
with Aaron Rodgers, I said, are we sure Matt l
who's right? He inherited thereon he's no better than McCarthy
in the playoffs, and I said, they don't have a
second grade receiver. So I say a lot nice about Aaron,
but the hard stuff is more memorably. Yeah, that's that's
(42:25):
what everything you want. So I think we're about to
wrap up here, but I want to ask one more question.
You just leave on this note, you have to give
one sports prediction for the rest of the year, one
lot one something that is going to happen with in
terms of roster chains, in terms of who wins this game,
in terms of who loses this game. One is good
bad one thing. You're very confident in sports this year
(42:49):
Jim Harbaugh will eventually coach in the NFL agere absolutely
this year, and it won't this year, eventually, this year, eventually,
but it won't be within five years. I think he's
fifty eight, he's active, he's in great shape, savings coach
and at seventy and it's like he's fifty eight, he's
(43:13):
got a long runway. This is why it's a great question.
Sports is hard. You could literally tell me this minute
that Brady is signing with his sin for just go
forty Niners, and I go, all right, they told me
Aaron Rodgers stays and Green Bayer goes to the Broncos,
I'd be like to flip. And that that's why sports
(43:34):
is great. Here's my big prediction. Steph Curry will win
another championship this Yeah, why not. Somebody's gonna have to
get hurt for the Phoenix Suns and the Milwaukee Bucks.
How about that? How about Golden State Shops the world
and wins. They're kind of small. I love him. I
(43:58):
love him. That's up. They're not great, but I mean
I respect him. My hot take is I think we
need to screen scort. I also think this is not
that hot. But Lebron's objectively the best best and it's
not really close. He does more things well than anybody ever.
(44:21):
That should make you the best ever. I think I
like your second person. I get ragged on by my
family all the time. It may just beat me being
a little ignorant wanting to response out of them. But
I was a second even one on one again in
a game till eleven, just me and him. I don't
see him getting around me. I'm gonna put my hand
(44:42):
is I mean every day, that's every day, that's him,
one on one. I have about twenty five pounds on him.
I think I can get buy them. I think I'm
more athletic than him, and I think I can stay
in front of him and there's nobody there to You
can't run off shoot, let's see, that's my that's the problem.
(45:05):
That's sort of the game. You put the ball in
the basket, you're not getting there. I think he's way
bigger and stronger than you think. I think he's around. Well,
it's not even ignorance. Like when you go to an
NBA game and you sit down on the floor, you
cannot believe how physical it is, and then five of
the basket it is wrestled. It's incredible. So Steve Nash
(45:29):
is taller and weighs more than me. If you watch
a game on television, it looks like a little boy's
six three and a half. It's like one nineties and
carry six for I think he's a little okay, little
step If you're watching this, tell me I can stay
(45:57):
in front of him, get a hand uplong enough, that's
a shot. I just I think if he got the
ball first, I'm not touching it will have enough. Yeah, said, No,
I'm not. I'm not even I'm not even arguing this anymore.
I've heard this conversation too much. We'll have it. We'll
have to figured that out at something real. That's a
(46:19):
good ending. That's a funny ending. No, thank you for
having out here, hearing calling back yard out in Eli's
house beautiful, So thank you for having love it. Yeah,
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