Inside the Garage - Bills All-Pro safety Jordan Poyer talks Buffalo's Super Bowl ambitions, his personal battles with alcohol, and mental health in the NFL

On this week's episode, Buffalo Bills star safety Jordan Poyer joins the guys to discuss playing for a Bills squad with real Super Bowl aspirations, the chemistry in his safety group alongside fellow All-Pro Micah Hyde, last postseason's OT thriller against Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs, getting drafted by the Florida Marlins and his decision to quit baseball to focus on football, the story behind his bout with alcoholism and the steps he took to getting sober, and why he wants to be an advocate for opening the discussions surrounding mental health with his NFL peers.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. Let's good everybody, welcome back to the Inside
the Garage podcast on Kyla. I went in along with
did Wallace Connoradian cam Hart. Today we have another special guests,

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all pro NFL safety Jordan Poter of Buffalo Bills. It's good, Jordan,
appreciate you coming on, hey boys, what's up? Man? I
appreciate you. I have you know, let's get better. We
were right now. I'm man, I stand for a lot
of them. Came out in Florida about six years ago.
Met my wife hu A. You my first time I
ever come to Florida. I find out where I'm seeing
the palm trees. I'm like, man, it's right. I don't

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need to go nowhere, else and all where. So I've
been stuck out here for six seven years now, feel
that so. Um. Originally from Oregon, Yeah, um what to
August State, got drafted in the seventh round. I believe
right to eight by the birds. Let's go. Jordan and

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I we traded down in Florida. Pepe A Merito for
what the month of day? Yeah, he's pretty cool. Um.
A few of the guys there, so that's pretty cooling.
Some ropes. So yeah, I appreciate you coming on. Man, Man,
how's it planning for the Bills? Um, you're y'all went

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to the FC game, lost the Chiefs. Um, how is
that being on the field playing against my homes Tarry
Kill all that? Yeah, man, First of all, you know,
team is just such a really cool group of guys.
And I always tell the rookies when they come in, man,
like you really want to be around a better group
of you know, just just man, you know what I'm saying.

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And you know, I've been in I've been in Philly,
I've been in I've been in Cleveland. I was in
Cleveland for three and a half years, and you know,
just the relationships that we built in Buffalo. You know,
this is going into my six year in Buffalo, So
going into years had my six year in Buffalo. You know,
have a comrade, my Mica high dude. Me and him
came in together in two seventeen and really, you know,

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it was a whole culture shift, and so it's really
been cool to be a part of that, you know,
that shift. You know, the Bills hadn't been relevant for
for a long time. Since we've been there. We always
heard about it, you know, coming to the Buffalo. Like dude,
Bills ain't been to the playoffs in twenty years, and
so like you know, me and him came coming in
the twenty seventeen you know, I got hurt in Cleveland. Um,
like I heard, my was the first year and started.

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It was my fourth year in the league. Lascerated my
kidney in week six, so I was done for the year.
That was my contract year. Buffalo picked me up. You know,
it wasn't a crazy deal. I signed a four year
for thirteen million dollar deal in twenty seventeen, and it
was right, you know what I'm saying, You know what,
I know what I'm talking about it, So you know,

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and it's like I heard, it's really just another opportunity
for me to build on my career. You know, did
you really know what to expect in the Buffalo, But
you know, me and Mica and really you know, just
going to work with him every day. And then obviously
the guys that they were able to bring in like
Tredavious White, you know, tarn Johnson, you know, even got
you know, Levi Wallace and um, you know Leavis in Pittsburgh. Now,
but like you said, those relationships Matt belong with Tremaine

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and those relationships that we built over the years. Um,
it's really second to nine and I can't really think
of a better situation for me to be in. And
being in Buffalo right now, it's really cool team to
be a part of. Obviously, you know, we lost last
last year in the ANFC Championship gaming the Chiefs, and
uh no it wasn't even then SC championship game. The
year before his ANFC Championship game. Last year we lost
some second round to the Chiefs. It's hard, man. You know,

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you played you played his game a long time. You know,
you learned how to deal with the ways and were
how to deal with the losses. Obviously some are harder
than others. But you know, life goes on and you still,
you know, you have goals, you know coming into this
year and and you obviously wouldn't be better than next year,
but what's the step that you gonna take to get there?
You know? And you know, I think, like I said,
we have the right group of guys in that locker
room to to do that. Obviously, I think we got

(03:58):
the best quarterback in the day league. So you know
that being said, I think this guy is living for
this team. You know, obviously there's a lot of high
associations on on our football team. But you know, we
like to keep things, you know, really, you know, we'd
like to keep me We come into where every day
and we just work. That's what we do, you know.
And buff of those not a big city to where
you can go out and get in trouble and do
you know, do stump stuff. It's really a close knit

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group of close community. And you know, it's like you
play a game and want to play a game. At
one o'clock and you know, me and a couple of
guys are out golfing on the golf course, you know,
after you know, and we go out of golfing, we
go out to the guy's houses. No, no, we don't
go out. You know what I'm saying after the game,
After the games, brons come down after the game. You

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know what I'm saying. It's it's it's kind of cool.
You know. Michael Jordan did it ship. Michael Jordan was
offending the playoffs, you know what I mean. Game like
one of the greatest ever so and it's a game
that I appreciate, golfers, game that I appreciate. It is
a game that I can love and I want to
continue to get better. It's a lot of lessons not
only in life, but even you know, a lot of

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their transfers over on the onto the football field, as
far as your mental aspect, as far as being able
to really you know, you hit a shitty shot. You know,
you know, if you have to make a bad play,
you don't want to turn one bad play into two
bad plays in the sense, you know, you gotta focus
on the next play, focus on the next shot, because
that's what's most important. You know, football is a game
what mistakes are gonna be made, and usually you know,
it's the people that are able to handle those situations,

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handle those mistakes the right way, as are the ones
that come out on top. So you know, you know,
like I said, Buffalo has been cool. Man. I'm enjoyed
my time out there and definitely want to come away
with the rain for I leave. You speak about your
locker up a little bit. We we all played with
Nick McCloud. He came in, Yeah, really really good dude, man,

(05:46):
hard hard worker man. He like I always tell him, man,
he always arounded me of myself, Like you know, just
a guy who maybe being been overlooked, you know, maybe
been um you know, coming in and having to be
on the peace squad, coming in having really just earned way,
you know, on your way up. And you know, I
see his growth, you know, from year one, year two,
and I see it. You know, I missed all t
a s, but I know he was out there working.

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But then when I came back, you know what, I
saw what he's been putting together. You know, they got
him playing corner, they got him playing safety. Like you know,
he's just an athlete. Um, and that's a guy that
you gotta respect and the guy that you root for too.
So I really enjoyed being around nick Man, and you know,
I'm hoping for the best for him. Definitely. Definitely. Yeah,
So I gotta question about the locker room too. So
so Coach McDermand is actually a family friend. My uncle

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and him and grew up together. So I just kind
of want to you got any like funny stories or like,
I don't know, like what do you what do you
think about him? Like, man, he's a great coach. He's
terrible joke teller, uh, Like he got even terrible joke teller,
But sometimes his timing be a little also where it's like,
was that really supposed to be joke to coach? Right,

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He's just a coach that that believed in me. Uh.
You know a lot of times in this league that
you get coaches that you know they're just maybe just
coaching for their pay check. You could tell the coaches
in Buffalo are really invested him, and Leslie Fraser, Bobby Babbage,
John Butler Man guys who really all you know, saw
me and believed to me. And I mean in a player, really,
that's all you wanted somebody to, you know, somebody at

(07:13):
that level to believe in you. You know it as
a young player in Philadelphia, you know, it was kind
of hard finding that route and it was you know,
you're digging, You're trying to make the plays, you know,
and dude, I ain't go life. Going to Philly was
my first time ever on the East Coast. I was
twenty one years old and I was by myself and
I went to go play for Chip Kelly Chick. Kelly

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was a coach at Oregon at the time. I was
at Oregon State. Growing up, I always wanted to go
to or I'm sorry, can I trich on him. Growing up,
I always wanted to go to Oregan Man and Chick
Kelly was there. It didn't recruit me. Actually signed to
go to Oregan State as a great Shirt, which basically means, um,
you know, you don't come until the winter term, so

(07:58):
i'd be like January basically missed the whole for season.
You come starting on spring ball after that season. So
did you stay home like so once you graduated high school?
Did you just stay home? You would stay you basically
stay home like I guess you could do some classes
um at the campus. I guess to get ahead. A
lot of people who great Shirt are actually they actually
graduated earlier because they were able to obviously take their

(08:20):
classes earlier. I didn't know what I was gonna do. Uh.
When I did sign, they said it is possible that
you know, I could be still brought into UH training camp.
So uh, I was had I had? How I hope? So?
I was a baseball player in high school too. I
got drafted high school, and I had a lot of
my decision to go to Oregon State. It was because
they were a lot. They were gonna allowed me to
play both baseball and football there, so I played two

(08:42):
years two years of baseball and football. Goregan state, it
was hard, dude, I ain't a lot. I don't know.
I went to dude. I mean, my grades were so
bad at one point. How it is like, dude, I
gotta I gotta figure something out. I had to choose
after my sophomore year between baseball and football. And I
always tell people it was a play that happened my
sophomore year that it was like, you know, this is

(09:04):
this is it? Actually we were playing sc on a
Friday night and Matt Barkley, who him of teammates, was
now ironically he had a three steps jobbing throughout route
and I just jumped in and took it to the crib.
And I mean it's just that pure drumming. I mean,
y'all know like making big player. There's nothing there ain't
nothing like making a big playing the game, like because

(09:25):
it's you, bro, It's like your moment, bro, you'll see
me like, And it was like that moment right there,
I was like, man, this is what I want to do.
So I just I kind of put off all my
eggs in one basket and you know, just you know
I had I had obviously coaches that got to me,
Coaches that that you know, continue to believe in me.
And you know, that's that's kind of what's got me
this far in the league so far. You know, I
feel like I've always just kind of been an underdog.

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You play yourself your freshman and sophomore, right, you had
a bit a pretty big impact your freshman year. So
not freshman. I was just more like on special teams.
I mean I had like two fumble recoveries. I was
basically just a gunner, uh and a kick returning. Actually,
I still want to the first time I ever I
ever stepped back. It's a return of kick and I'm

(10:08):
eighteen years old, I'm at the college. See him against
the USC bro Like I was took to the crib.
I got it down to like the twenty, but like
it was like those moments right there, that are the
moments that you know, propelled me to want to play
this game and want to be the best player that
I can at this game. Basically. So we always talked
about like how hard well I don't know how it
was that organ state, but I know it was tough,

(10:30):
especially on freshman sophomore year, just trying to manage school, football,
social life, all that stuff, and it's it was like
some of the hardest times in my life. And they
can speak for themselves, but how did you manage being
there to play baseball, football, school, social life, family, all
that ship? Yeah? Yeah, I didn't the first It was

(10:52):
hard man, because I didn't really manage that well. It
was just I was basically just an athlete on campus
and office I was. I would go to class, but
I you know, I wasn't paying attention. But like I
do all my work. You guys have still study hall. Yeah,
I mean, so basically send schedule as you'll probably have.
You get up, you either go to class, you go
to weights or you know vice versa. Um. You know,

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whether it's spreen ball. You go to your practice and
then maybe you have one more class after practice and
get dinner and you go to study hall. It's I
ain't a lot of being in college. Being an athlete
is a lot harder than than being in the league.
I just the responsibilities as that they put on you
at eighteen years old to like say, go to class,
go to lift, uh, go to go to study hall.

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Like you know, past you graids and playing well and
you know, you got so much to damn focus on.
It is hard and I I shoot, it is hard.
I couldn't imagine still having to try to do that,
you know, having to try to And my dad always
used the word compartmentalize, which has always really stuck with me.
And it's basically, you know, putting the things that is important,
you know, right in front of you and really not
not worrying about anything else. You know, it's it's and

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and and he he had this acronym, it was win.
You know, like what's important now? You know what's importan
in this moment right now, whether it's you know, sometimes
you hear that alarm clog. I know you want to
hit snooze, but damn, like you know works calling, you
know what I'm saying, like that if somebody else's getting
up to like you know, who's gonna who's gonna be
up first, Who's gonna hit the waves first? You know,

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And that's kind of just how I always thought. You know,
it was just like you know, somebody else is out there,
you know, trying to one up me. You know, somebody
else is out there you know, telling me I'm I'm
too slow to this, to that or whatever, Bro, I
played a hundred ninety four pounds. I don't give a
damn anybody say I played strong safety like I had
a hundred and ninety four pounds. I can't tell me, like,
you can't measure this right here, bro, Like that's something

(12:36):
that you can't really measure all that, all that ship
to combine, all that's just cool. Ain't nothing like? This
is what you know what I'm saying. That's what I
believe in games, like when it comes down to getting
grid of it, who's got this right here? Everybody's good,
Everybody got everybody's got talent, you know what I mean,
everybody's you know, at the at the next level. Everybody's smart,
at least you would like to think so. So I
want to say, you know everybody, but you mark. You

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know what I'm saying. So what's gonna be the difference?
You know? And I remember going into it was nice
my senior year. We were nice. And I specifically remember talking, huh.
We had Sean mannon the quarterback, Marcus we End at receiver,
Brandon Cooks the receiver. It was me and Sean Ryn
was at at corner. I mean, bro, But like I said,

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it was it was a lot of it. I was
in saying before this season even started, I remember meeting
with the homies of Sharan Markets and I'm like, yo,
like because we we were sorry, like it was. It
wasn't fun. It was like you know, it was just
like going through the motions. It was like, yo, we
want to change it, like she's got actually changed, like
starting like when we go to our first lift, like
over the year, and so I remember doing our first lift.

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We brought everybody up like, look, you know this has
gotta be different, like we gotta do something different, like
don't just go through the motions in here, like you know,
I'm saying, get something out of it. So we did
our lift and then we did we did those temple runs.
You know, those those hundred yards temple runs. I don't
know how many you know, but he's like thirty of them, bro.
But like it was like all right, but it was

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little ship. It was little ship. I remember, I'll never
forget this. It was a little ship like you got
the you got the thick white line that you that
you're on before you start your hundred bro, And it
was little ship like yo, like get your damn told
everybody's foot behind the line. Was like those little disciplines,
little disciplined ship goes a long way. You saw it
in the NC Championship when Kansas City should have went

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to the super Bowl with Tom Brady the Patriots. That
Patriots ended up winning because the dude jumped offside. It
was like what five years ago or something like that,
and then he jumped outside. Tom Brady threw a pick
and damn I wasn't a pick six or something, and
and and the the game would have been over. But
the dude jumped offside way blatantly. And it's a little
ship like that, bro, That like it goes a long way,

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especially in moments when it's like you're with your teammates, Bro,
you know you've been running, you know you've been working,
like and you know you put everything into it to
be in that moment right there, and you're looking at
the do next to you like like like got this,
you know you know what I'm saying, Like we put
in the work, Like it's here, bro, like we got this.
You know. So I definitely did all actually those the
wrong way, man. And the team that we have in

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Buffalo definitely takes pride in that type of work ethic,
and I think that's why we are who we are.
Got you, got you so that in that playoff game,
it gets the Chiefs. With all the overtime controversy, How
did you feel about that NFL overtime rule thoughts on that?
Like I always I always tell people this, man, Like
everybody want to ask me about that. And as a

(15:30):
as a defensive player, man, we gotta make a stop,
you know what I'm saying, Aer And I can sit
here and say all the points for at this point
for that that's for everybody else to talk about. Like
the situation right there. You know, that's one of the
you know times as a defender, you know, I feel
like we let our whole team down. And it sucks, man,
it definitely sucks. You know, you never want to feel
that way. You put someone working throughout the season, and

(15:51):
in that moment right there, the Chiefs from just better.
They were better, they were smarter, um and and they
out executed us in that moment. And I'm not Yeah,
it sucks for a couple of weeks. It still sucks,
but it's nothing that I'm gonna sit here and so
for the rest of my life. You know, you know
something that you can definitely learn from. Um, you know,
I still think about it. I still think about, you know,
things things I could have did differently, things we could

(16:14):
have did differently. But the end of the day, we
lost the game, and what what can you do? You
learn from it and you can move on and make
yourself a better player and a better better person from
them for sure, and you can move on for that.
So you and how long have you might have been
playing next to each other? You said it will be
a six year bro, six years. Dang, that's crazy obviously,

(16:34):
like receivers playing next to each other a lot, and
playing next to each other like it's it's a certain
kind of connection. But I feel like safeties, especially playing
a position like to safeties gotta be on the same
page every single play and like you get the whole
defense going communication wise, whatever it may be. At what
point did you guys, because did you know each other
before y'all were on the bills together? Yeah, we actually did.

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We met through a mutual friend. Christian Kirksey plays lineback
and pretty with me and flood got you so, like,
how long did it take it to click? Or like,
was it in game? Like outside of practice, like meeting together,
Like what was that like creating that relationship. Yeah, we
we just started to build that relationship and create that
trust within each other. Dude. Like I mean, just from

(17:15):
the get go, I could tell how he works. I
can tell his work ethic, and he was an extremely
smart football player. And he was somebody that I actually
looked up to because when I was in Cleveland, everybody
told me that I looked like MIKEA and Hyde. And
when he tells me that we both wore number thirty
three when he was in Green Bay, I work thirty
three in Cleveland, It's just crazy. He's from the town
called Fosl Story or Fosl Story, Ohio. I'm from a
town called a Story Organ. It's it's not like we

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just started to build that relationship but not knowing where
it would take us. But I knew that even after football,
you know, him and I would still have that really
cool relationship. And we've just been extremely blessed to be
able to play with alongside each other. Salon, It's really
you know, we feed off each other, and I make
a play, I know he wants to make a play
when he makes a play, you know, I'm like, damn,
like I gotta get mixed now. So it's like that's

(18:03):
a prop. We feed off each other. We've always pushing
each other like hey, one more rep man, like hey,
one more, one more of this, one more that, like
a one more play like coach and be like yo,
three guys are not like you know, we're good, Like
you know what I'm saying that stuff like that, and
the game just came natural to us, like it just
can't we play off each other. I can tell like
we get a call automatically, I know what he's thinking

(18:26):
about showing or what he's thinking about doing, and so
then I can play off of that. And there's certain
calls where it's vice versa, Like there's certain calls like
whether I'm the downsafety, he knows how I'm gonna how
how I walked into it, or you know, as if
I'm already down, I'm a bail out of it, and
he's gonna play off of that because he can all
we all we always treated it like they don't pay

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us like it. But we're the quarterback of the defense,
you know what I'm saying, Like we are the QBS.
We talked to the linebacker we talked to the corners,
we talked to the to the D line, like we
know the stunts at safety. I feel like at this level,
like you have to know what everybody's doing. You have
to know you have to know where all twenty two
people are on the field at the time, like where
they're moving to. You know what I'm saying that I don't.

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You don't gotta see all of that. But at the
same time, knowing that just so that it creates your
instincts to once you know that you can have you
get that much quicker reacting to whatever it is you see.
And so him and I, like I said, we just
were able to play off each other. The first game
we ever played each other against, UH was the Jets.
But like we both had a cover two pick against
josh Ma County. Like it was the end of the game.

(19:29):
I think we were down, we were up. Now we're up,
like seventy first time, the first time in the builds uniform,
first time we played at home. It's a home game,
like boom, I got the first one, Cover two. Joshua
countries to bullshit to Robbie Anderson, I go next, next one.
He dropped back. He tried to throw a whole shot

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and Michael just breaks on him before and he just
I mean it was an easy, easy, smooth pick. But
like it was like that moment right there, it was
like we wanted to continue to feel that Like that
was to like everybody had looked down, everybody had had
cast of this out. Everybody had said, oh, they're not
gonna they're not gonna be nothing like everybody want to
talk about in respect every all the players out there,

(20:10):
but don't nobody want to talk about us? And we
took that personally, you know what I'm saying. And we
took that like, all right, well, nobody gonna talk about
we don't make him talk about us. And to be honest,
like we the best safety do on the league, hands down.
I don't care what nobody said. You look what we've
done in the past five years together. There's no other
safety do actor that's done with him and I have done.
The only thing we need is to damn ring. That's

(20:30):
what we want to change. After this year itself been
we was living in the crib. We always had this
kind of controversy of which is the hardest position corner
and safety outside of quarterback. And you played both. You
played corner and college and then obviously safety in the

(20:52):
league at the college level. What do you think it's
harder at the college level between those two, because I
would I would argue that Ekel might be going on
the harder positions on the on the football field because huh,
shout out kJ plays That's what I'm playing right now. Yeah, honestly,
you're basically just a smaller version of the safety, but

(21:14):
you're you're now you got to cover in the slot.
Like covering the slot gotta be one of the harder ship.
But somebody said, covering the slot on me at corner
if you're smart enough, and I was never. I played
corner in college, and I'm not. I'm not the fastest
on the field, but I was smart enough to know
how to use my leverage, how to use my hands,
how to understand route concepts, how to understand you know,

(21:35):
I understand the game of football at at this level.
I might not be able to do that. Ship the
boys is out there running running hard, but I know,
I know, I know where to look. I know how
to put myself a position at safety to where I
can make plays. And that's why I think I was
able to transition so easy from the corner to save
you because I had been in the position before. I
understand how the corner is thinking in certain situations and

(21:57):
I can kind of bounce off of that. And you know,
MI could played corner in Iowa too, were both corners
converted the safeties. And so I mean, you know that's
I think him and I just you know, will continue
to show what we can do. And obviously there's a
lot of work be done. Man, I'm not you know,
I'm not trying to be up here saying, you know,
we just said the other, but to be honest, I mean,

(22:17):
we we have been that nobody talks about it. So
we definitely want to get some people talk about this year.
But I feel like there's like a stigma too with
the league because everybody talked about in college how the
team is closer. It's not a it's not so much
of a business and as the NFL is, and you
have the time and uh, I get space to make
those relationships. So it's kind of cool how y'all in

(22:38):
the league and this quote Unqua, this savvy, cutthroat business
and y'all y'all able to build that brotherhood. And see
it's not like that everywhere, man like, and if you
do got it, like, you know, take advantage of it.
You do you come in the league, you've got some
good vets, bro Like, take advantage of it because you know,
good vets they I mean, they'll help you learn how
to be a professional, like the certain things that you

(23:01):
gotta do to be a professional. You know what I'm saying.
You can't just come in clocking and clock out work,
go to practice, you know what I'm saying, and getting
shipping it out. You know what I'm saying. There's a
process to everything. And I think young guys coming in,
a lot of them, you know, all of them get
lost in the sauce. But a lot of the good
ones come in. They learn a process, they find a vet,
they learn the process that that and it's always tweaking.
My ship is still tweaking, Like I still tweaking my process.

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But I was able to learn from guys see how
they took care of their body and see how they
you know, watched films and see how they did this,
the how they did that, and I I just built
it into my own you know what I'm saying. You
know that's every player. They build it into their own.
But I think, you know, a lot of young guys
will get caught into you know, dude, I had we
had a corner justin Gilbert you probably remember him, but

(23:43):
most one of the most talented dudes I've ever seen,
uh play play that position. Just unbelievable athleticism. But a
guy who came in and really didn't he really didn't
ask for help. You know, he didn't ask to He
just like he kind of had it figured out. You know,
I'm not trying to talk at least doing right now. Sure,
and but as you see that type of stuff, you
you know, as a young guy, I couldn't say nothing

(24:05):
to it. Means the first round pick I was, I
was nobody was like. But I saw guys like Jim Leonard,
Deshaun Gibson, Dante Whitner and damn, I'm aging myself though,
but some of young time, bro. But like you know,
that's ten years ago right there. It's crazy, right, but uh,
you know, I molded it into myself. And that's the
same thing. Like even even now, like I see Mike

(24:26):
and I were race to the tubs. See who's the
first one in the tubs in the morning. That's how
him and I are so competitive. Bro. Like, that's what's crazy.
It's like it's like we're brothers. Like I don't want
to go to the to the to the facility and
see his ass in there already in the tub watching
film like me. He's already ahead of me. So fun.
Now I gotta find some way to catch up. Maybe
maybe I'm in the in the lunch room or something,
you know, after practice and I'm watching the film. So

(24:48):
that's how we we kept go. We just do that.
It's crazy, and uh, you know, it's been a it's
been a cool recipe, I guess you could say for
what we've done so far. All that being said, I
got the Ravens week four. Sorry, my my wife, my
wife's don't do that, bro. My wife's uh, my wife's

(25:09):
sister's boyfriend is Ravens fan. He's from He played basketball
here at f a U. He's from Baltimore. He tried
to bet the damn playoff game and he was like, look,
he's like if if if the Ravens beat, y'all, I
don't remember what it was they didn't win. I don't
even care, y'all. Y'all beat my Ravens. He's like, I'll
get the Bill's tattoo. I'm like, all right, all right,

(25:32):
get the Bill's tattoo. Yeah, I converted him to a
Bill fan. Now he's going to the games and ship
wearing my jersey and ship like in the crowd. Like,
but I'll say, all right, that's that's the beat, bro,
that's beat. I like that bat like that. I'm gonna
need that jersey though, for real, that's what That's what. Remember.

(25:53):
I'm you know, I'm already on Nick's head about about
the game for sure, kind of shifting gears. I'm going
to touch the baseball stuff a little bit. I feel
like that's cool. And obviously you said like you felt
the ajournaling rushed like playing football, like getting that pick.
You kind of knew what you want to do at
that point, but like growing up, was it weird not
knowing which one you wanted to do and just kind

(26:15):
of feeling it out? Is it times where you like,
I know you blessed right now you're getting a great position,
just like dang, like I missed baseball, like watching this
game stuff like that. Yeah, definitely used to be times
like that, especially after I saw all saw them then
contracts going out, I'm like, but um no, man, I
mean I was extremely blessed to be around the people

(26:36):
I was in high school to like kind of help me. God,
I was scouts. There was at one point twenty scouts
coming to my games watching me play baseball because I
was a lot better. I was a way better baseball
player than I was. I was outfield. I played center right,
and I couldn't play the infield, That's what I could
not do. But I could hit. I hit like three,
four or five, and I played seven right, and I

(26:58):
was I was. I was nice, and it was a
sport that I loved. It was just it wasn't as
exciting to me, especially as I got to the to
the college level, because I mean the way them basically
them baseball players, and in high school, you're not at
the baseball park all day, Like if you go to
practice for two hours, baseball there at the park all day,

(27:18):
Like I'm talking like you got VP here. It's just
it's a totally different schedule. I don't know if I
was necessary ready for it. I mean know I did it,
you know I did it, But it was like holy shit,
like this is crazy. So in high school, though, I
had scouts coming and um, I remember meeting some of
the scouts at this UH for the Baltimore Orioles at
the time, and I remember he told me, like, my

(27:40):
draft grade was anywhere from the seconds to the sixth round.
And so that's where he saw me getting drafted during
the draft, and he asked me, he was like, but
I need to know, like what your sign ability is.
And basically in high school, you can get drafted out
of high school and still decided to go play college
and be like that. So they asked you what your
sign ability. And at the time, I had already signed

(28:00):
to go to Oregon State and I had already promised
the coach that I would come and play baseball there.
And so I told him, I was like, look, I
got this opportunity to go to Oregon State and played
two sports, like if if it works out, you know,
I want to continue to play baseball and football. If
it works out in two years that you guys want
to draft me again, we'll see what happens. And so
I told him my sign ability wasn't high, and I

(28:21):
still got drafted. I still went to the Miami Marlins.
They were the well they know, they were the Forida
Marlins back then, the Miami Marlins now and drafted in
the forties forty second round. I mean, I just ob
obvious decided to go play at Oregon State. But you know,
it was it was a hard decision because you know,
you see a lot of that those zeros that I

(28:42):
mean to he said, the first check you get is like,
you know, three thousand yard check and I mean the
eighteen years old high school I'm like, oh, Ship, what
what I'm saying. But you know, I kind of invested
in myself and I was like, look, that money will
still be there down the line, and you know, I
wanted to really wanted to experience going to college and
seeing what that was like. I probably the first three
years a buy high school or my or my NFL career,

(29:05):
I would look back and like, dang, Like, you know,
especially in the hard times, it was like, you know,
I wasn't playing a lot. You know, I really kind
of unsure where my career was going. Like dang, Like
what if I just you know, put the put the
football please down and started playing baseball again? Um. You know,
so those thoughts definitely did cross my mind, but I'm
happy I stuck with it obviously because you know, I'm

(29:27):
going in the year tending now, which is crazy like
long years like wow, but you know it's a shoom.
I'm blessed. You know. Football is giving me everything. You know,
obviously met my wife through football, my daughter. That's a
blessing to me. And it's giving me everything that that
I have right now. I want to continue to you know,
cherish the game and appreciate the games, you know, because

(29:47):
like you guys know, I always said the games like
your girlfriend, you know you're gonna get in, You're gonna
you're gonna get in out of the game that you
put in. So you know, you put in the work
again and expect you back. So um, you know that's
what I believe in. I'm gonna lie, but I watched
your dot commentary out there. I came back. That's pretty tough,
and soon appreciate I appreciate it, bro school and then
how it transition, that's pretty dope. I appreciate it. You obviously,

(30:09):
like stemming from I don't know when it started, college NFL,
you battle drome into our issues and I wanted to
speak on that a little bit and see how you
persepue through that and how you got through that adversity. Yeah, man,
I mean, man, we're to start cal mean, so I've
been I've been sobing too and half years now I'm
recovering alcoholic. Shoot, you could you could say that it

(30:29):
price started my issues. Price started in college. Um, and
I really was. I didn't really didn't even realize that
at the time. But in high school I was pre
sheltered and parents really both when they worked at the
juven I've been Lincoln Center, So I didn't get away
with a whole lot of ship in high school. Um,
I remember my mom throwing me in one of the
cells and said dooring like this is you know, you
keep going down that path, you going like you gonna

(30:50):
end up in here, and like I never want to
be in that ship again. She's doing me in a
fifteen minutes. But I was twelve years old, like just crying, like,
so I got to college and I'm yeah, I know man,
Like you get to college, old new world, it's like
what ye like we're going here, we're doing what Like
I ain't gonna be home at a certain time, like dang,

(31:13):
So I'm I'm wide eyed from a small town bro,
and like wide eyed. And you know, obviously now I'm
playing as a freshman, so I'm thinking I'm big ship
on campus, like you know, true freshman playing whatever I'm at,
you know, all the parties. You know, I'm come on
man like you know, like I say, you're right, and

(31:34):
so I always tell people, you know, you know, drinking
at that time. You know, I could drink. I could
get up and go to my six o'clock workout, no problem,
probably be a little hungover, but you know I sweated
out in twenty minutes. And you know, anything that's what
needed to be done. Bro, I mean that's I could
do it. I don't know, I don't know how I
did it. You know, I drink all the way. You

(31:56):
I can tell you something, but you don't see. So
I kept, you know, just going to parties, drinking and
and every party, I always have to be the most
live one. I always have to be the one that
got the most lit, getting everybody else the most lit,
you know what I'm saying, Having to having the most
fun time. Like we used to have some bang and
black house parties. Bro. It was just it was fun. Bro.
But then I always feel, you know, I transition and

(32:16):
go to go to Philly. Um. Like I said, it
was my first time ever going to the East coast
when I went to Philly by myself. Yea, I've been
to Philly Philly Wild too. I mean I've been over
there by the damn by the damn stadium. Like me.
It was me and a couple of buddies after every
game we was going in there. I mean I was.
I was single at the time too. I'm in the league,
I got money. I'm like, okay, you know what I'm saying,

(32:37):
trying to do this with that whatever, you know, still
drinking but still not really realizing, you know what it's
doing to me. And I'm still drinking because it's fun.
I'm still drinking because I'm enjoying it. Get cut from Philly,
go to go to Cleveland. Cleveland was just dog like
I tell you, we had it was we as a
lot of drinkers on that team and sup we were trashed.

(32:58):
It was the whole johnny Man's old era, Josh Gordon.
We had so much talent on that We had so
much talent on that team. It was garbage. And so,
I mean Cleveland was a school was a cool city,
and like, I mean, what you do after you lose, man,
it was like we sucked, man, Like all right, we're
gonna go out oop some mobiles, you know, trying to

(33:18):
make something of it. So that was my time in Cleveland,
but for like three and a half years man doing that,
Like we didn't have one winning season out there. I
met some cool people out there, but some people that
probably influenced me in ways that you know, not not
not saying anything that they did, it's just you know,
decisions that I made around them. You know, it wasn't
the right decisions at the time, and I get hurt

(33:39):
my fourth year, last raet and my kidney running down
my point do blind size me. It was weeks six
the first year I was starting. The first year, I
earned a starting position through training camp like Jordanus started.
So I'm starting the first four games, I'm playing well.
Our first sixty I'm playing well. I had two sacks,
I had like forty one tackles already, like I'm playing well.
Get blindsided. Dog to go to the doctor in the

(34:01):
hospital for three days hav internal bleeding. Doctor tells me, like, hey,
you know he was he was this close from having
you could have led out. Um, you're not to take
You're not to take rest for a while. So I
had to rest from September October. It was the end
of October. I couldn't lift, I couldn't run, do nothing
for me from it. I had a primp like right

(34:24):
in my my stomach. And so when they took the
X ray, there was a slip on my living like
this long and it was it was bleeding from the inside.
So after I got hit, I sat, I coughed like
initially I thought the wind was knocked out of me.
And they took me inside and I coughed. I coughed
up to blood. I went to the black room. I
started pissing blood. So initially they just rushed me to
the hospital. That you felt before I got smack out.

(34:51):
I got smack bro. Now it was they threw the flag.
It was a bullshit ass hit bro. It was bullshit
because the dow reverse steel and it was one of
those blinds out. He you can't do no more like he.
It was the so the last it was the the
in man on the line of scrimmage. He goes to
try to block the punt mrs And he circles all
the way around back and then to do reverse field,

(35:14):
and I was chasing him down about to make the
tap when I just I mean, he hit me with everything,
bro and so I got the win out. I got
to the hospital basically told me I had to rest
for that was the end of my my season there.
I didn't know what was gonna happen, so all I
had to do was resting, and that was that was
what with my treatment was. I didn't go to the
facility anymore. It was a blessing in disguise. My my

(35:35):
wife was president at the time, and I was able
to you know, be there for for my daughter, but she, uh,
you know, I didn't know where I was going then.
So what did What did I start doing is I
kind of went to alcohol at that moment right there,
That's when I that's when I always say, like, that's
where I started to realize, like I have a problem,
because you know, when I was stressed out, when I

(35:55):
was um, you know, when things weren't going well, I
started going I started leaning on alcohol to kind of
help me to cope with it, because you know, when
you're when you're drunk, when you're you know, you're not
in years your own state of mind, you can kind
of forget about things a lot easier, you know, you
can kind of, you know, just kind of coast through
things a lot easier. And I didn't realize it probably

(36:16):
took me until uh so I got signed the Buffalo.
You know. I remember the morning I went to uh
sign my contract. I was hung over ship. I was like,
it was I don't know bro I was. I went out,
I went out into town. I was super excited. Bill
Finish showing me mad Love giving shots. I was late
to them to the STV in the morning. But like

(36:39):
I started drinking for the wrong reasons. I started, you know,
and then I get to Buffalo. My first year seventeen,
I had five picks. I had five picks. My first
year in Buffalo was correct that career high. That was
my career high. And then I tied it this last
year with another five, but it was it was my
career is my career high? Five picks. Both Mike and

(37:01):
I had five picks. And so going into the off season,
I'm feeling myself again, like then it's cool, I got
a little bit more money in my pocket. So like
it was like a new me and but then one
you know, and I'm out party and all the time
when you know, um yeah, just out of Live Bro,
just pop bottle Brother. Just you know, I'm having fun
with it. Now I'm having fun with alcohol. So I
kind of forgot about the stress part and now it's

(37:22):
my fun again. Now the season starts rolling around, all
these expectations started coming on, and it was like a
whirlwind full of like dog like damn, this is the
first time in my career I had expectations really going
into a season that like you gotta play well or
else or else this that the other. So I go
into the season and like, I played okay, I had

(37:43):
I think it was the year I had two picks,
like a hundred three tackles, but yeah, it was. It
was the hardest year in my life because we didn't
make the playoffs that year and we were terrible. But
it just I wasn't playing up to the to the
way I thought I could be playing. And alcohol obviously
played a part in that, but I wasn't. I was
tricking my mind to think, like, now it's not the alcohol,

(38:05):
Like if you've done this your whole life, you've been
even getting up at six o'clock. More in since you
were in college, like you've been balling all life, like
figure it out. Yeah, I mean you got to a
point when we finally uh drinking so much, we finally
lost into it was eighteen, uh twenty nineteen. Maybe we
lost to Houston in the playoffs. I don't know if

(38:25):
you'll remember, but we went in overtime and we came
on and it wasn't supposed to be a zero bliss,
but we fucking blissed zero bass and you threw a
hitch out of Taiwan Jones, and Taiwan Jones took it
down the sideline and they kicked the field going to
win the game. And after that game, bro, like, I
was so sick. You probably heard it in my documentary.

(38:46):
I drank every day. I drink every day until um
until I finally ended up getting sober um. But it
was like I just felt hopeless. I felt sick. I
didn't know what to do, like and I was, you know,
there was ship a be done differently, but I was
using alcohol to cope with all my problems and my
my relationship wasn't where I wanted it to be. My

(39:08):
off the field ship wasn't where I wanted to be,
like we just we It was just a defictating loss,
Like I'm getting there's blame getting put on all players.
This like the other fire. Everybody do this like the
other And I just wanted it all to go away.
So I just started drinking and finally finally got to
the point my wife couldn't handled it anymore, and you know,
I had to make a decision, had to make a

(39:29):
huge decision. You know, it was you know, life event
that happened that kind of you know, fucking made me
just finally click like damn, Jay, Like what you're doing, bro,
Like you're throwing your whole life away, Like you gotta
look at what you've got, Like I'm sitting here looking
around like damn, Like what would you got? You got
family that loves you, got daughter who looks up to you,
like you got people that look up to you, and

(39:49):
you're just sitting here over here. And I had to
wake up real quick, and so I had to make
a decision. So I went to a a you know,
like the first A meeting I went to. It was
like it blewline, bro, because like my mom, My mom's
been sober a year and three days before me. And
so she was kind of the first person I went
to when I was like, Mom, I got an issue, like,
you know, I can't handle my alcohol. Not only can

(40:11):
I not handle it, like I'm using using it to
help cope with me. Like and she had told me,
you know, Georgan, just try to go to a She
had been telling me for like six months, just try
to go to a just check it out because it
helped her. And so finally I was like I could
put my private aside go in this a a meeting
and you know, I'll never forget, like just the love

(40:31):
that I got in there for one. But there was
this particular lady who I've never seen since this day
and I maybe never see her again. But she told
the story about how her dad was her dad was
in the hospital that day dying, and you know, she
said she had been sober for six years or something
like that, and she had never missed as Wednesday. She
had never missed a Wednesday a meeting and all those

(40:52):
six years and it's because it's really helped. And she
had a decision that day, would her to stay with
her dad in the hospital or come to the meeting
and she said she she prayed on it, and she said, um,
you know, she came to the a meeting and hopes
that she'll see that and hopes of seeing somebody new
trying to help save them, save their lives. And you know,
she's crying and then she looks up and she's I'm
just so thankful looking at me, she's I'm so thankful

(41:15):
that you're in here right now. Again, when I got
in there, dude, everybody was shaking hands. Everybody had already
known each other, so I can tell like right away
like I'm the I'm kind of the all the one out,
you know. But and so she said, she's kind of
telling her story. You know, dad's in the the hospital. And
she looks up and she's looking at me. She's like,
thank you for coming in here and and and wanting

(41:35):
to get help to you and your family whoever it is.
She's like, you're taking right steps and coming in here.
And I mean that moment right there, dude, I was like, dude,
if you can't, I mean, if there's nothing else in
this world's gonna tell you something like, I mean, that's
it right there, like right, you know what I'm saying.
So it's kind of that. From that moment on, you know,
I kept going to a meetings um and it really
changed my perspective, not just you know, it changed my

(41:57):
perspective on life, dude, because you know a lot of
these people are and they're telling their stories about you know,
how they become became addicts, and you know how they
became Now they're sober for fifty years, but they're telling
stories about how parents beating them like you know, and
and parents in the alcohol situation and they have to
live in the streets for X amount of years. And
I'm sitting here thinking about like, like you mad because

(42:18):
you lost the game. You know what I'm saying, Like
you mad because you because you you've got an argument lady,
like up. You know what I'm saying, Like you are
you stressing about all the wrong ship? And you know
that kind of clicked for me, and that kind of
continue to click. And now I've been able to propel
that and and and use my voice and with the
platform that I've I've built to help others because you know,

(42:41):
I think it's important. You know, one of the main
reasons why I came out and told told my story,
I was never going to come out and say, you know,
oh I got an alcohol problem. But Vincent Jackson died. Uh.
He was the receiver's he was a receiver for the
Buccaneers when I grew up, I like watching them. And
he passed in February, the month before I was about

(43:03):
to be a year sober. And I'm sitting I'm literally
sitting on this computer right here, reading a story. And
you know, his parents had made a quote in one
of the yest and articles talking about how you know,
alcohol played a part in his life and how you
know he passed away into Holftell room, you know, by himself,
Like that's how he that's how he died, and that's
how they found him. And I'm reading the stories talking
about how alcohol playing the second his life and like, damn, man,

(43:24):
Like when he had someone to talk to, if you know,
he could reach out to me, and you know, I
could let him know, like dude, like you're alone, man,
Like you know, there's people out here, there's athletes out here,
A lot of people, got a lot of athletes got
a problems like you. I mean, I'm not gonna say
you'd be surprised, because he probably shouldn't be surprised a
lot of people. I mean, off the field, it's ship
there's a lot of ship mentally going on with a

(43:45):
lot of people, and so I wanted to be that voice.
I wanted to be that that way, that that that
people can reach out to and be like yo, like
you know, I need help. And it's crazy because I
mean something. I'm still getting DM some people talking about
this this lady. I don't know if I want to
see if I can let's see, can y'all still see me?
I'm alread this. I'm gonna read y'all. This tweet that

(44:07):
she tweeted me. She said, thank you so much. I
was trying watching the clip about you speaking about your
personal battle. I appreciate your whareness you brought to the
community as well and myself, so thank you for speaking up.
That was last year, that was January five, and yesterday
she wrote me saying, made it three n sixty five
days sober again, thank you for giving me the strength
to make a sobriety okay and make it okay to
talk about and so like me, it's just like stuff

(44:30):
like that, like it continues to inspire me to like
I can help one person, like that's me. That that
feels a damn good to be able to say like
damn like you you've heard me, and you you got
help for yourself. Like I mean, that continues inspired me
to want to help and stay sober too. It's not
easy though. There's times where you know, I'm out on
these boats, you know, everybody's out drinking, and I'm like, man,

(44:52):
that should look funny. Ship. You know, you know, I've
put it in my head. I've made a commitment to
not only myself and my family, but those who look
up to me and and and see me as a
as a as whatever they want to call it, as
a role model, as a voice um to help you
help them through their battles. And so you know, that's
a lot of my alcohol story. You know, I'm still

(45:13):
you know, it's not it's not perfect, you know, and
there's still a lot of things that I can still
continue to work on. But like I said, I just
want to continue to use my voice to help others
who do need help. That's amazing and that's real. Appreciate
your appreciate that. Thank you for sure. I feel like
you've been in the NFL and athletes even at the

(45:34):
college level can probably can understand this, like people put
us or athletes on a pedestal, whereas that they understand
that we go through similar mental issues as everyone else,
and especially as athletes, like we feel like we're on
that pedestal, and so like now we feel like I
can't I can't ask somebody for help because they're gonna

(45:55):
see me like this. I can't. I can't tell somebody
about my problems because they're gonna see me like this.
Like I got to the point where I don't even
damn what people seem like anymore, like because that's not
real life to me. Like what people see me as
is like what they what they want to say about me,
that's not realized me, like when my actions are real
life and what I do is realaxed me. And so
you know, they said, people feel it on this pedestal,

(46:17):
and that's especially as men athletes, like I feel like
we feel we got to be so like, no, I
can handle myself, you know, no, Like it's okay to
ask somebody asked you ask your brother as your partner,
like you know, I told Michael many times, like dogs,
I got an issue, bro, Like you know, I can't
I can't come to that. I can't come to your
function tonight because I know I'm gonna get lit, like
I just know it, and you know, and that was

(46:39):
another thing, like to be able to open up to
those guys. And I tell you how close we are
with those guys. I remember going to Virginia and I
have been sobering for three and a half months, and
all those guys, those guys know me as DJ po
yo because when I get lit, I know on the
DJ booth and when I get lit on the DJ booth,
I start wrapping and so it's crazy. And so that's

(47:00):
all those boys, all those boys, uh you know, call
me DJ pull Us. We're out in Virginia doing all
season workouts, very COVID year and you know we had
finish our whereouts. Everybody at Jano's crib and he's pouring
up shots and you know, I get it was the
first time I ever got a drink, you know, hand
in front of me, you know, in the situation. And
now I was like, no, I'm good, and everybody like
at the room stopped like everything like yo, I'm like

(47:21):
pho like to the like we take the shot. Look man,
like I've been I've been at it too, guard like
for the X amount of time. Now, you know, I
just really I'm looking for your supporting this man, because
I'm really trying to change it around. And I mean
the love that I got from him, the support that
I got from him, I mean, I'll never forget. It
felt powerful to be able to say no in that
situation right there in front of those grown men and

(47:43):
then respect that, you know what I mean. For some reason,
that felt powerful and that was something that I wanted
to keep. So that continue to motivate me through my
sobriety um and and it will continue to motivate me
through it. Definitely. You spoke about your your wife and
we all all getting older and stuff like that having
to be the healthy relationships and stuff like that. It's

(48:03):
kind of dope how she was able to help you
do that. And yeah, we just got an argument earlier,
but she put up with a lot. Man. You know,
when I met her, I was already kind of a mess,
but she stuck with me and she saw it good
at me And you know, I'm extremely blessed to be

(48:24):
able to have her in my life. And she never
gave up on me, and she probably could have many times,
and to be here two and a half years later
and to see you know where our relationship is gone.
Even though we do getting some stupid as arguments sometimes,
you know it's because everybody know you're not alone trash
bag in the damn b I took the trash. But

(48:49):
now again, I appreciate, appreciate you saying that, because I
mean it definitely could have gone a lot of different
ways on a lot of different days. And I mean, yeah,
you're good to see you in a position you are
now and as a safety, and I'm sure everybody else
as a football player like obviously look up to You've
been doing your job at a high level for a
long time. So apprecia somebody like on that pedestal, like

(49:10):
really be vulnerable and stuff like that. It's pretty dope,
especially in the sport that we're in. So I appreciate that.
But so like we're kind of going back on the
connection you and Mica had or have now and like
creating that connection respect and stuff like that. As a
rookie coming in, I'm playing safety, the same thing I
got guys like Marcus Williams, like Chuck Clark, Tony Jefferson,

(49:30):
like you, you know, like all these guys in my
realm mom a young guy and I know, and I'm
cool with all of them. But it's a difference between
being like cool with somebody and have respect for somebody,
especially at this level. So what advice would you give
like all of us, like whatever we're going into being
a young guy, Like, what's the best way in your
eyes to gain respect from older guy? Damn? I mean
a great question. Appreciate appreciate that question. Question. Well one

(49:57):
I think coming in obviously we're all we're all talented
in our own way. I think one thing that I
wish I did better was believe in my own talent
that I can do whatever it was that I was
asked to do and and that. And it's hard when
if it was for me anyway, when I'm coming in
because you know, I'm the organ state, you know, from
a small town. Now I'm in Philadelphia with playing for

(50:18):
the Philly Eagles, Like what like seventh round pick? Am
I good enough to be here? And my you know
what I'm saying in my strongness to be here? And
I talked him like whatever, it was like all those
negative thoughts creeping in my head where I'm at now
in my in my mind space like I got if
I was if I was in that same mindspace like
when I was rookie. I mean, I don't even know

(50:40):
what it's. I might be real, real dangerous out there,
you know what I'm saying. Like I'm dangerous out there,
but I might have been real dangerous out there, you
know what I'm saying. But respect is earn it's not
given right. And obviously your high round pick, bro, like
you're talented enough to be there understanding that coming in
and just taking and embracing like the culture. And it
sounds speech ape the brother the rookie. If the vets

(51:01):
are asking you to go get some ship the training camp.
You know what I'm saying, it's a little ship like
that that's gonna continue to add up, coming to work
on time, doing doing extra ship like they everybody sees that, bro.
And like asking questions. I'm a vet that I like.
I like when a rookie kind of asked me something
because you kind of challenging me and I'm able to
I'm able to kind of bounce back. And I'm still
learning off of that, Like I'm still learning teaching you

(51:22):
because I always wanted to be the VET, but I
really didn't have like you know what I mean, if
that makes sense, Like I had good vests, but I
don't want to be the vet that like you know,
I'll show you, I'll show you the way how to
do it. You just watch what I do and this
is how you be successful. And that's not best like that,
but like just watching observed, bro, and like when it's
your time to to perform. I mean, you're gonna make
plays on the field, You're gonna earn that respect regardless,

(51:43):
but just continue to do the little things you know
off the field and asking questions, like being attentive. There's
some vests you might they might not. We had Lee Smith, Bro.
Lee Smith was the worst. I'm he's you're older than
me now, but like he would be a VET that
I would have hated to come in as a rookiecause
he treat all the rookies like ship. But it just
really wasn't like you know what I'm saying, don't ever

(52:04):
take it personal, bro, Like you know, don't ever take
this ship personal, bro, because it's some old rumpy aspects.
Been in the league a long time. I don't want
to see you know, them little rookies coming in and
talking back or doing this and the other brother. Embrace
your culture, bro Embrace you know the guys around you.
Learn from the guys around you who have been there,
Understand what your coach is asking you to do. And

(52:26):
really a lot of guys get in trouble trying to
do their own thing. You know, every system, every defense
is a system, and the system only works if you're
doing what you're supposed to be doing. If you're looking
at what you're supposed to be looking at the guy's next,
you are doing what you're supposed to be doing. Like
you know, the system doesn't work if like, if you're
trying to disguise, like you're trying to disguise you got
you got one safety showing in the middle of the field,

(52:47):
and you know you've got the other safety kind of
right there. You know, whatever it is, but like it's
all gotta be in in the same tomb. So you know,
continue to build that relationship those guys because you know
you're not going anywhere, you know, and so it's is
being able to come into work every day understanding that
you are rookie and you've got to earn those stripes,
you know. But at the same time, right now, Kyle,

(53:08):
I already know this is the first break that you've had.
Ship you are you still in Baltimore right now? Are
you back home right this first breaking that you've had
since shit, probably before your your junior year. It's gonna
be a long season, bro, but you know, put your
head down and just grind it out, bro, one day
at a time, and learn from the older guys, you know,
build that trust. Let them guys know that they can

(53:30):
trust you. That's the biggest thing out there on the field.
It's like, you know, I want to be able to
as an older head, you know, I want to be
able at the young guys coming in and I tell
him a cloud like a press that, like, you know,
he needs to be able to go down there and
do that. Like, no, don't play off, Like, hey, go
press that like I got you over the time. You
know what I'm saying. I'm telling you to press it
for a reason. Don't come and play off because you're

(53:50):
sucking up the defense. Like I've been in the defense
on enough. Those guys have been there, been in the
defense on enough, bro, Like and if I suck him up.
I always I always n up to that, like I'll
be like, yo, I told him the press coach, like,
that's that's on me, and the bet should do that.
A good bet should do that, bro, Like they tell
you to do something and you suck it up. And
and a coach like yo, Kyle, why are you? Why

(54:10):
do you do this like that bet? Like if he's
a good bet, he should be like no, coach, that
was on me, man, I tried to do something, do
this with that, the weather, I try to show up
something else. You know, those are the good bets, and
those are the guys that you want to be around, bro, Like,
those are the guys you want to learn from and
the guys that you want to be around, because like
I said, like there's nothing I would like to think
that there's a lot of good bets. I'm sure you
guys got some food that's on the team, bro. But

(54:31):
I think that's my my take on that one. I
appreciate that. I appreciate that. So alright, transition over to
Outside the Garage. Jordan's like a a segment that we
do where we get our friends, family fans that access
questions through the d M. So this question comes from
Matt Morrison. It says, what's the one unpopular opinion that

(54:53):
you're forever standby and we're going to start with and then, uh, yeah,
one unpopular your opinion? You know where we're living it
right now, A lot of opinions right now, go ahead,
go ahead around here now by Yeah, I don't even

(55:17):
know how to answer that. I got a lot too,
I got a lot, but I can't. I can't. There's
a lot, there's a lot of there's a lot of
crazy stuff going on in this world right now. I
don't necessarily agree with a lot of it. So I'm
gonna keep it. I'll keep it at that. UM, I'll go, uh,
there's something we talked about in the past part podcast.
I'm gonna stand on. I don't think the con flip

(55:37):
is fifty fifty. And they actually started with the bills
stuff with after that that game, but I don't think
the conflict fifty Yet we've been over this. You are
you saying that's that's your opinion. You're saying that you
don't think twin flip? What is it? What is the percentage?
You say? I think it's more. Um, it's gonna take

(56:08):
You're not gonna have that conversation for show. But I
think it's only fifty fifty if time continues, if you
stop it at a certain point, it's not fifty fifty.
If you count all the coin tosses from today, what
is it June from whenever the coin flip was invented,
I can guarantee you that it wouldn't be fifty fifty.
But isn't it. Isn't it like in that moment, it's

(56:29):
like that certain Yes, yeah, now if you a one
time point flipist, but you're saying the coin flips throughout
the life. I'm saying I'm saying the top right now
and the count. Yeah, it wouldn't bet or as close
as people think because people say it's going to be
like what you would you say, like forty nine point
nine or something like that, it's gonna be damn close.

(56:49):
Can't but we don't. I don't think it'll be damn close.
It would be interesting, Fine, it'll be interesting. Fine, we
can't do that conversation. Connor, what's your unpopular You got
a car? All right? We also talked we talket about
in the last podcast, actually my own popular opinion. I
think Kyle shares is as well. Is that Formula One
drivers are athletes. I don't think that's unpopular. I think

(57:11):
that's popular. I think not athletes. I don't think they're athletes.
That's what I mean. That's I mean, that's fair. I
mean golf athletes. Yes, yes, Cam, Yes, yes, yes, Hey Jordan,

(57:37):
I'm gonna with this because they got a lot of
context that's hidden right now. Yes, I don't think. I
don't think athletes are superior. Then there's competitive people. So
I think you put these skill like competitive actors on
the same plane as athletes. But it takes a lot
of athletic to be athletes. Golf pros don't have to jump,

(57:58):
I don't have to go on side, they don' have
to be shifty that I'll have to be quick. They
can just be real. I'll be getting a lot of arguments. Yeah,
age uh, I probably say Monday is not the worst
day of the week, probably one of unpopular paining. Then

(58:20):
what's what's the worst day the worst of the week
for me? Yeah, like Thursday, for your look, you got
the team run and on top of that, and on
top of that, you're looking for Friday, you're looking for
the weekend to come up. It's like you right there,

(58:40):
oh ship, Well, Thursday on on our week schedule is
the worst. We've got to run the lift yeah yeah tapping, yeah,
but Thursday is not bad at all. Like you cauld
are you Sunday be shitty too? You can argue that season,
I know, the chill day. But like right now, like

(59:01):
what time is it? Six thirty? And all I'm thinking
about is this week, brom, Like damn, Bro, I wake up,
I wake up cool. It is my only day to sleep,
and I wake up cool, like eight thirty, nine o'clock then,
like you know when Jessie with the family. Now I'm

(59:22):
about to get off this with y'all, I'm thinking about
we got a small six o'clock, Like, damn, it might
be the worst, bro, I mean it might, but Monday
definitely not the worst my popular opinion. I'm gonna leave
the stuff stuff along because and talk about that too much.

(59:42):
Gonn come to my head. But I think Drake is
a better artist than Michael Jackson. And I got tracked
after even after even after before after that last album
came out with see that's the thing like that, I
think that last song was fired, bro, he like, I
thought it was smooth and ch I mean, I've listened
to it, like I thought, you know, it's one of
those Drake albums that you have to listen to over

(01:00:04):
and over and over again and kind of finally started
to get the risk. You know what I'm saying. I've
listened to a couple of times like this. You know,
I'm a Drink fan too, Like, you know, I thought
it was gonna be a little bit of course, driving
to the city, it's kind of smooth, but everything else
I feel you can't just put it on. Yeah, I'm
listening on the way to workouts and ship it wasn't
yeah yeah, But like I think m j was just

(01:00:28):
ahead of his time, like it was. It wasn't as
diluted as it is now. And for Drake to be
like as separate as he is with every all these
other artists who are still big like Boozy Future, whoever,
Kendrick J. Cole like, and Drake is still Drink like,
It's like it's like his name carries more weight and
like Michael Jackson was, it's like kind of like Michael

(01:00:49):
Jordan's like that was the first to do it, and
I'm not taking nothing away from them, but like if
you put MJ in today's game, he'll still be in
j still be top whatever player in the league, but
like he won't be MJ, like Michael Michael Jordan's worldwide mogul.
Like are you saying, are you just the time that
that that they lived in was just it kind of
hurts there? Are you saying it helps? I'm saying it

(01:01:12):
helped because there was one of there was like one
of the ones in their time? Are you're saying that
Michael Jackson was at this time Now, he wouldn't be him.
It wouldn't even be in the conversation with Drake. He'd
be in the conversation, but he'd be like I think
he'd be like Chris Brown, I agree with you, but
I do think, um, there's one of ones now because
there's Lebron and it's Lebron and then everyone else. Yeah,

(01:01:34):
but like it's it's not though at the same time,
it's all like you can argue you, honest, you can
argue Katie, but arguing are are you and Katie and Lebron?
But no one's arguing honest and Lebron? No one? Yes, yes,
that's crazy. Well, barbershop thing. That's crazy. I'm not I'm
not a fan. I'm not a huge fan, but can

(01:01:56):
you not put Steph in that same category? Yeah? Yeah,
like whatever, Like step is climbing just magic magic and
Larry Bird and like Kareem he's talking about climbing. I
say he's climbing up towards lebron status. I wouldn't say
he's there though, Yes, step that's a whole different conversation
a long. My blar opinion is better than Michael Jackson.

(01:02:19):
This is the last segment of the pod. We do
it with all our guests. You kind of try to
ask them and stash you can. We used to say
it's under admitted, but let's do it. The stash you can.
We're just gonna ask you. Wrap it questions. First thing
to come to mind, first answer the hold back to
Acapella like you said, quick as possible, all right? That
um hot Cheetos are the ritos Ritos West Coast to

(01:02:41):
East Coast, East Coast. Two interceptions in the game or
games stealing pick? You need a game stealing pick. The
biggest pet peece squeaky shoes, favorite artists, uh Dan, there's
a lot of them right now. I just I a
Drake water park or amusement park, music park. It's Michael

(01:03:06):
Jackson the best artists of all time. If not who
uh he is? He is one of them. I give
him the top five of all times. I mean, obviously,
we just talked about Drake being up there, and you
know who you know who I've messed with tough and coderrated.
He's not one of the best all time. But Whiskifia,
that's very underrated. That's great. That's like painting right there,

(01:03:26):
thank you, holding one at a public course, or play
Augusta holding one at a public course. I agree, definitely.
Golf in Arizona or golf in Florida, Florida. Would you
rather have to talk like Baby Yoda or breathe like dark?
Either breathe that dark days. Most underrated pet animal Bulldog

(01:03:51):
reached the top three. Candy Reese's Pieces Reese is the
Cup the Cup? Yes? Rather live in Centro Man Girl
your Central America. It's Usia. Top five Food No Flapper,
Bird of Temple, Run Temper Run, Cookies, the Cream ice
Cream or Chocolate Man Cookie Cream, Dustin Johnson or Roy Roy. Yes,

(01:04:19):
let's disagree. I have one drivers athletes? Uh, we just
discussed that. No, are you ticklish? Yes? Yes? Are you
a whole body? Or are you always gonna go? Always
gonna go? What was your favorite go to party fit

(01:04:40):
in college? Uh? The sweats and a T shirt? Bro?
Was the athletes? Pepsi or Dr Pepper? Dr Pepper? All right,
this is the last one. Would you rather play around
with Elon Muss, jay Z and Dizzel Washington or Lebron James,
Samuel Jackson and Jeff Bezos? The first one Elon Mus,

(01:05:04):
jay Z and who else? Denzel Washington? Then Denzel That's
that's a lasting no brainer. Wait, wait which one you said?
You are just what we will call you have to
play at Augusta rather than get Yeah. Yeah, I'd rather
play at Augusta than get a hold on one at
like some munit some muni. Course, you want to go
to Augusta and shoot about it once twenty and you
will be mad as hell that you still augusted. At

(01:05:26):
the same time, you can be that guy on Sunday like, yeah,
I played, I played there. I would be that guy like,
damn for real, what you shoot? I don't know? Score
card got burnt? No, but I appreciate you, druing, but
I'll appreciate you. I appreciate you had me on man.
Thank you, thank you, Yeah, yeah, you appreciate you.