Notre Dame offensive coordinator Tommy Rees came through the garage to discuss his unique four-year career at quarterback in South Bend splitting time with Everett Golson, how the QB position is played and scouted has changed since his playing days with the emergence of quarterbacks like Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray, and how he and the rest of the Notre Dame staff handle situations where players are considering entering the transfer portal.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. Welcome back everyone to Inside the Garage Podcast.
I'm Conradigan along with J. J. Wallace cam Hart. Today
we have a very special guest, esteemed Notre Dame legend
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Tommy Reese. Coach Tommy Reese, I Polo jazz sound effects. Alright, coach,
how you doing. I'm great. Yeah, I'm good to be here.
Pay back to my college jays a little bit. What
did you stay when you were here off campus on
a house on South Benda have right by like preseason
over there we're asked to leave a semester in Uh,
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we were at a house over here, like on Juniper,
and I think some guys lived in there after us
for a couple of years. And then we were the
first people to live at university. Yes, my senior year.
Because we were only there for semester, we're the first
ones in. It was like four, like four different groups
of four that all lived right there together. It was
Zach Martin, Chris Watt, who's line now that you guys know,
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Dan Fox, he played linebacker, and then uh, Tyler Iffort
for two years because he u he graduated early. He
left for the league, so he has no griff. But yeah,
time and then Nick Martin, Zack's brother kind of crash
on her couch rect time. So we had a pretty
good uh the first people at You Edge and his
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new brand new first people. That's weird thinking about we had.
We had Mike. We had mcglinch on the other day
and he was talking about how like so much different,
like guys are living off earlier, like place to live, like, yeah,
that type of stuff. Mike came on as official and
was at our house. It was a problem. Mike was
was freshman my last year and then I came back
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here in seventeen. He was He was still on was
You Edge like one of the only developed apartment complexes
that's the around it right now. Yeah, like the ones
right by the Google We're kind of being built. A
lot of students didn't live there yet, like Turtle Creek,
those old ones were. Eddy Street was kind of going up,
but again not a ton of students were there. She
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had at that point restaurants like restaurant wise is a
worst day. It was called something else. It wasn't called
she was called something else. But Brothers was there. Towards
the end, Pola was there, five guys was there, and
then pretty much everything else has been recycled. Got you,
got you all right, let's see, that's start. That's start
in the beginning. So born in born in l A,
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moved to Illinois. How old were you moved? I was five. Yeah.
So my dad was working at u C. L A
for a while in the early nineties and then he
got a job with the Bears. Uh and he was
from Chicago. My mom's from l A. And so we
moved back to his home sort of. So do you
claim Chicago? You don't say your West Coast kid? Would
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you still say your West Coast kids? No, I don't
I claimed Chicago. I I say I'm from the suburbs
of Chicago. I don't claim the city that hard. Yeah,
I know, it's like everyone else that goes here, but
all cleared up, like if someone's from California, say I
was born out there on my mom's sides from out there,
So definitely Chicago. So like, sorry, I want to punch
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the name. You and Eddie went this. It was like
like four, Yeah, I'm from Bluff he went yeah, and
Leys so yeah, Ley School, Ye, okay, So would you
say I don't know if it's maybe it's caves now.
But when you play, would you say, like nord name
it was like how many people went there before you did?
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From the high school? Uh? No one for like football. Um,
I mean you'd have a handful of students. It was
a good public school, so it was smart kids. So
people can get in. You know, probably six to eight
people of classmate. No football, no football. It's a big school.
It's like kids. It was six A. It's the biggest
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six all right. Would you say you you were to
start of this movement then yeah, I gotta jump in. Yeah, pipeline.
You beginning this pipeline like Forest will never be known
for his like Division one football players, you know, but
when we have one, I kind of feel like it's
my duty to make sure they know what I mean.
Did we count Eddie though I don't know the Shodes counts. Yeah,
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his brothers. His brother is coming to But his brother
is a good players like you guys should love to
Eddie quarterback. Yeah, his brother. They went to the state
Semis this year. They did a great run and he
was a kind of a star. He's a white out
in quarterback. He played quarterback for them. But I think
he's coming here as more of a wide out like
Buddy like six too, Yeah he's long. Yeah that work.
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So when you played there in there, Dame became part
of the question or conversation where you went to school.
Was it an easy decisions already? Like right hard your
priority list? Uh like going into would know, you know,
like I was, I look a lot like I do now,
Like I was not very like you know, like physically
like intimidating or like what you would think of as
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a high D one quarterback. But uh, like early on,
my first offer was like bowling green and then mine
of Ohio offer and I was like, look if at
the end of the day, I'm going to my Ohio
play football, Like a lot of my buddies went there,
and my sister went there. No Gus is like, uh
four or five years younger than I don't funny, but
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like I was all set. I was like, look if
I go to the MAC, like that's kind of what
I thought. I'll go play there and have a great
time in Miami. It's a good spot. Yeah, good for him.
And then bigger schools kept coming through and I would
throw for him, and everybody kind of gave me the
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same line. You gotta come to camp, which I know
now like what that means. Sometimes it means, hey, you
gotta come to camp and proven, and sometimes it's just
a well, I think each situation is different. Like those
there were some truth they were there to see you,
and then I came here and through for camp, went
to Stanford. But like before those two, I went to
Tennessee when Kivin was the head coach, and I threw
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down there and did really well, and they ended up
offering me. So that kind of snowballed. And you know,
once you get one, others come in and I ended
up only with like three or four Power five offers.
And I grew up not liking Notre Dame to be honest,
Like you know, like Chicago, there's so many Notre Dame
fans and you're either one side or the other, and
I didn't grow up with any real allegiance to it.
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You know, my dad, weirdly enough, we both work here now,
but his dad was born about forty minutes from here,
and he was an Indiana fan, so he didn't love
Notre Dame. And so yeah, I like, once I started
getting recruited, meeting the people, getting on campus, and I
you know, I knew shortly after I got exposed to
it this is where I wanted to be, but like
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I never thought it was gonna be an opportunity. And
I remember like going back to high school with a
Notre Dame offer and people still like I didn't believe
it or didn't want it to be true, but uh,
it all worked out in the end. He got here
the same season I did in seventeen, but he I
came in uh like late January, ely February, and then
he came like right as camp started. It's like August
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that works out there? What were you? It was here, uh,
Tennessee Stanford and then uh like I Will offered me
during my senior season, like North Carolina offered me during
my senior season, you know, because things weren't going great
at Notre Dame. I was Wie's last class and then
b K's first class. Whenever you look at it. Yeah,
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so I think teams are kind of coming in as
like the potential coaching change is happening with Weiss leaving UM,
but it really was probably here at Stanford. My mom
like the education part was always really big for her UM,
and so like I like Tennessee. On the visit. It
was a cool place, good time. Obviously football is a
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big deal and Rocky Top. Yeah it was. It was cool. Yeah.
But my mom, I remember her saying at Stanford or
Man and between she runs the show. So I'm just
sure that she and I was taken care of. I
feel like quarterbacks, like to give her career as a
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quarterback is a little bit harder. In high school. I
feel like I've only seen, I guess being from being
from Atlanta, like I've only seen quarterbacks. Either they have
fifty plus offers and these quarterbacks have no offer at all,
you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, they got all
the intangibles, all the armed talent, size, all that, or
it's just like you have you don't have one or
a couple of those things and you're not getting in
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the office, you know what I'm saying. I feel like
quarterbacks a little harder. Yeah, there's a couple like one.
Recruiting has changed a ton, and I'm not old. I
don't feel old, but it was, you know, fourteen years ago,
thirteen years ago, and like the way recruiting has changed
is so much earlier now, Like people really didn't unless
you were like the I, you were getting offered until
after your junior season, so you really weren't making decisions
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until that summer going into your senior year. That was like, now,
what is the summer going into your junior year? It
was a year later then. Um. The other hard part
is like, if there's a hundred and twenty Division one teams,
you know, in a class or in a cycle, you're
gonna take one quarterback at most schools. You know, if
you take three dbs, you know, that's three hundred and
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sixty players versus a hundred and twenty available at quarterback.
And if you take four whiteouts as four injuring eighty
players or a pool that you're picking from, whereas quarterbacks
most years you're only gonna take one. So it's just
a smaller pool of players. And if you look at
like how many Power five schools there are, that number
gets even shrunk and half. And so when you look
at like true Power five quarterbacks, you're probably talking about
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forty to fifty a year, and like that position is
so hard to project that you know half of them
don't make it. Like you go back and look at
the class I came out with like I'll do it.
I came here with two other quarterbacks. There are three
of us in my class at Notre Dame, and uh,
I'll talk to one of them about like our class
and we'll joke around. Like you go look at the
top ten. None of them, like really, none of them
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made it. None of them in none of the quarterbacks. No,
it's like a weird list and the top ten Creden class. Yeah,
Like if you look at the top ten quarterbacks in
that class, none of them really panned out to be
like you know, I'd have to go back through, but
like none of them are playing in the league right now.
So when you agree with Crudent, what I guess, quote
unquote is made to be the proto prototypical quarterback, the
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six three six, It was still the size thing, you know,
I think, yeah, I think that's shifted over the last
eight to ten years. Like you see six foot guys
having success in college and in the NFL, right, Like
Russell Wilson was kind of the first guy to break
that mold and then he kind of opened the door
for everyone else. Then you see the Bakers and Kyler
Murray's and those guys have you know, win the Heisman
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and have so much success. Um certainly you know Bryce
Young now, um, you know our own version with Ian,
But back then it was still like six two was short,
you know, like six two was like the cut off
and I was six one three quarters. So it's like
I'm wearing Timberland's onsins stuff in THEE and it's like
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I just want to measure in at six too, because
that was like the cut off. You know, that was
the bare minimum. Now it's like six too, that's more
than enough. The game's just changed a little bit. I
just felt like coaches, I felt aways felt like the
quarterbacks size are equated to arm salad. It might, yeah,
I mean like you look at a bigger quarterback and
you're gonna, like naturally think always got a strong arm,
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you know. But you look at the way people thrown
out is change a little bit. Like the mechanics, Yeah,
like you see like the whippier throws and like less
of like the follow through more like the back hip
hop like kind of like how Buckner throws a little
bit like kind of that New Age way of throwing,
and like people are creating torque and momentum using rotation
and their back hip and like it used to not
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be that way. So now you see smaller guys who
can freak and sling it like ever goals and who
I played with, he wasn't a big guy, hit a
freaking cannon. His arm was crazy. So do you obviously
the office corner and quarterbacks coach here, So do coach
differently like with that new age? I guess yeah, Like
I think it's shoot. It's even evolved my five years here,
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Like five years ago it was less frequent as it
is now. You know, I try, you know, mechanically as
much as we can. We try to focus more on
the lower body when they're here, Like you don't want
to change too much about how the ball is coming out. Um,
you know, we'll talk about it. And I've had to
like work to understand some of those mechanics because it's
different than what I grew up with. What I've learned, so,
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you know, I've reached out to like some of those
quarterback group specialty guys like Ian's guy will heal It
does a really good job and like I've had conversations
with him just so I can understand it better so
that I can, you know, help and have those conversations
with our guys as they come in. I feel like
that's a great thing that coaches in this new age
are adapting to because like even with dB coaches, it's
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hard to change change you guys like a little player
and technique and like coach making himself, he's really good
at coaching per your style. And I feel like when
you were probably in college or in high school even before,
coaches weren't really doing that. They were like, this is
my way, and this is how you're going to have
to learn how to do it correct. Yeah. I think
in the quarterback position so much mental like yeah, you're
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gonna improve them and you're gonna fundamentally get their base better.
But so much of what we do, you know, week
in and week out, about the mental side, and you
want the other stuff to be able to just kind
of flow, you know, like you want to, hey, if
the guys open, we want to count on the fact
that we can get it to him, you know, and
if we're out of position and we're not in our
and our posture is not right or our target line
is not right, yeah, we'll talk about that fundamentally. But
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there's a lot of other stuff that goes on. You know,
in spring ball is a good time to focus on
the fundamentals because you're not game planning and you're not
in the weeds that way. But you know, we've been
fortunate that our guys are pretty smooth mechanically, but coming
in Yeah, I guess kind of way you're talking about,
I kind of think about like a golf swing, Like
everyone has their own unique ye know what I'm saying
type of thing, and it's like a like a specialist
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like kicker, punter, like a picture. In baseball, everyone's get
their own little deal to it. Yeah. Who would you
say is your favorite quarterback throwing motion? I guess in
the league. I mean Rogers pretty funny. Yeah, that's probably
the best example. Uh yeah, man, he's he's hard to be. Like,
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Garoppolo is really clean. If you ever watch him throw,
Like you know, people don't think if you just watch
his mechanics, they're really clean. Yeah, I mean they're really clean. Actually,
I wouldn't have even thought of Grapplo know that's like, um,
if you if you watch him throw, you'll like he's
that new age stuff. And like when Ian was here,
that was a guy he always wanted to watch because
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he plays with a great base. There's a lot of
very little wasted movement and he's not one that you
think of, but when you watch him, like fundamentally he's
really good. So speaking of about actually Garoppolo was my class.
He's play in the league, but he was Eastern Illinois
from Chicago, was from twenty minutes from rom Front. But
he made it. But like he was, he went Eastern.
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Like he wasn't a top ten, Yeah he was. He drafted.
So speaking about your time here nor day and talk
about like your growth into getting your starting job and
were you up against um, yeah, my four years were
pretty wild. Um So my freshman year, I came in
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like with three quarterbacks right and came early. The other
two did not, which was obviously a leg up a
little bit. Went through spring, got almost no reps. Then
in summer, I don't know, something clicked, you know, like
I felt like I remember coming here to throw and
like my first ever day I threw with the guys
in the indoor loft. Is I remember saying, like, you know,
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it's like February March and we're doing just like a
routes on air, and I remember looking at you know
some of the other quarterbacks, and there was a kid
a couple of years ahead of me, was a five
star who's a good friend of mine. But I remember thinking,
all right, I can play with these guys, Like I
can throw with these guys. You know, I didn't until
you do it, you don't know. And uh so I
had some confidence. And then spring I didn't do much,
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you know, but I felt all right. And then you know,
summer happened and we were doing like the summer player
run deals and we're throwing and like something just clicked
and all of a sudden, the offense was kind of flowing,
and I felt really good. And then like the first
couple of days in camp, I felt really good. And
then I was slowly starting to creep into like that
backup role and like solidifying myself there. You know. We
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had our first Saturday scrimmage and I think my first
drive went right down. Score second drive, I came down
on a helmet and like spraying my thumb pretty bad
and I couldn't really throw. But I finished the day
and had a good day. And I remember like that
we had a day off and another practice, and that
was when like I couldn't do anything. But Coach Kelly
told me, He's like, hey, you're gonna be the backup.
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Just keep going, You're gonna be the backup, which at
the time was a big deal for me, you know,
and it's huge as yeah, and so I uh we yeah.
So fast forward the second game of the year, We're
playing Michigan at home. Dane got poked in the eye
and uh, I go in and my very first past
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it was a play we called Wolverine. I'll never forget
to play called Wolverine because we're playing Michigan and the
signal was like the stripes on the helmet. So I
remember looking over to mulve our signal and they're like
they're doing this. I'm like, what the hell is that?
Holy ship? He's calling Wolverine. It was a flee flicker,
it was. It was a flee flicker throwback first past.
That's a lot of trust. Yeah, threw a pick, yeah,
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and so I like it was like essentially like post
deep over, you know. And I threw it and I
was like, oh, it's a freaking dime. Like it came
out good, like I saw the opening I anticipated. I'm like, Oh,
it's a freaking dime and then boom, linebacker underneath it
makes the play. I'm like to be kidding me. And
then I went in for another series like one hop
the field hitch and they pulled me no, no, just
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like one, like you know what I mean. No, no,
no, no no, like one hoped one And uh, did you
win this game? No? We lost dramatic fashion, and so
whatever like that was obviously a learning experience. And then
a couple of weeks later, we were playing Navy in
New York and uh, we're playing at the Meadowlands and
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we got our ass kicked likeeen maybe yeah, they're fullbackmen
for like two hundred a wheel for a touchdown that
the last time they beat This has to be I
don't know, probably, but we got crushed, and uh, but
I caught a wheel route yea from touchdown. He was
a bad dude, and their quarterback was like a really
good player. And but I went in for the last
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drive like in garbage time and I went like eight
for nine we scored and that was one of the
only you know, and I felt good. And then the
next week playing Tulsa at home and Dane blew out
his knee and so then I ended up playing like
three and a half quarters. We threw the ball like
fifty something times. Lost. Um, it was a tough week.
There was a lot going on at the university and
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stuff with the program, and uh, but then I end
up we played Utah two weeks later when a bye week,
played Utah, who was third in the country, then lost
to TCU and they were like eleventh when they came in.
It was senior night and we won three in my
first start, which was unbelievable, and like senior Night was
cool and uh. Then we played Yankee Stadium, Army beat them,
played at sc beat them for like the first time
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in ten years, and then played the U and the
bowl game beat them. So like my four starts with
four and oh um. So then going into my sophomore year,
there was a competition between me and Dane ended up
naming Dame the starter first half played South Florida at home,
and the opener he got pulled at half. They put
me in. I played the rest start of the rest
of the season that year. So then junior year, would
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you guys in that something, We're eight four and lost
to Florida State in the bowl game. You know, we
were looked the program programs in a much different place now,
you know what I mean, Like you're eating for now,
you know, yeah, we won't ten. I've been back five seasons.
We don't at least ten every year. So then junior year,
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make a mistake in the off season, last day of
class my sophomore year, you know, drinking off campus, got
in trouble, so I was suspended for the opener. So
I wasn't really eligible to like compete to be the starter.
And so then it was Everett Andrew hendricks Can named
gunner Keel who was like a five star freshman coming in,
and so every obviously became the starter. And then throughout
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that entire year that was the season went the national championship.
You know, like I had a role as kind of
a guy that would come in if ever was struggling
or like two minute drives. So yeah, that's what they
made it, right. Yeah, but uh, like my first game
after the suspension, we played for Due at home, and
b K put me in for the two minute drive
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at the end. I didn't take. I haven't taken one rep.
I didn't take one was seven on or one team
all of camp because they needed these other guys who
had never played to get all the experience. And so
then he I mean, I was shocked. He's like, hey,
you're going in for two minutes, no time to react,
warmed up through five balls, shocked off. We went down
to field, go win the game. And then a couple
of weeks later, we played Michigan at home than if
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we played Michigan at home, you know, big game under
the lights. All that ever, was struggling a little bit,
turned it over and put me in like late first,
early second quarter. Played the rest of the game. I
had my only rushing touchdown. And then I thought at
that point like okay, like maybe you know, there's two
or two games, maybe I'll start moving forward, you know,
postgame press conference he says, we're staying whatever. And so
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it was, you know, frustrating, but I cared about the team,
you know, and I wanted to continue to support and
have a role where I could. And so there was
a couple of other games like Stanford, I played at
the end and we had a nice run there to
win the game. Um play had like one play against
Oklahoma at Oklahoma and like third and eight because ever
tell me came off, Yeah, you had like one play
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third down through a stopp route to Tyler for a
first down and jogged off. You know, It's just like
random things like that. And then that was my junior
year was like it wasn't look it really. After the
Michigan game, I was a little frustrated for a couple
of weeks, but like I found peace in my role
towards the back half of the year, and like we
were on such a special run and we went remember
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we went like eight and five, eight and five, and
all of a sudden, we're ten and oh, leaven or o,
we're the number one team in the country. So just
like you were. So I was so much in the
moment that I didn't necessarily like directed back towards me.
Was more about everyone else. And uh, you know, obviously
the game against Bama didn't go grade. And then so
I head into my senior year, I had a little
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bit of a decision. Like I played and I knew
I could play, and I wanted to continue to play
whatever it was coming back and ever it was going
to be the guy. And so I was faced with
decision and this was before the portals, like Okay, do
I want to transfer? Do I want to stay at
Notre Dame and graduate. And for my teammates, you would
have had to sit out, or I would have gone
to like, you know, like a Richmond or something like
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and and take. If you went down to one double
A at the time, you didn't have to sit it out.
So I remember it was like during Bowl prep and
I just one more. I'm like, I'm not I'm not
gonna leave. So I woke up and just said, hey,
I'm gonna stay and whatever my role is, I'm happy with.
And you know, I want to continue to help the team.
And you know, I met with coach, and I met
with Zach who was one of our captains, one of
my best friends, and we talked about it for a while.
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And then six months later in May, it was my
twenty first birthday, I was out in California with my
best friend and my brother, and I'm getting these texts like, hey,
have you heard anything about Everett? And I'm like, what
are you guys talking about? And you know, he got
kicked out of school and so he got in trouble.
I kicked out of school and so my senior year,
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my senior year ended up starting all thirteen games and
we were you know nine and four. Yeah, think nine
and four on the year, and but like I decided
to stay, you know, thinking, hey, I'm gonna have a role,
I'll be the backup, I'll play sporadically and you know,
contine to help the guys. But you know, whatever happened
happened with Evan. You know, I had a chance to
start all the games my senior year with money. So
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it was just it was like every year like nothing
was just normal, you know, like not like none of them,
not one year like go into it saying, wow, this
is a normal year. You know everything there was ups
and downs, you know, situations that were out of my control,
and I just tried to really for me, it was
all about like the guys on the team, and uh
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so you guys know what you guys know, everyone closet,
everyone is. It doesn't become as much about you in
those moments. Can you talk about like when you were playing,
like what did you what is your confidence like? Because
I feel like so many things have happened to you
and you just kind of like remain constant, Like are
you like a quiet confidence kind of guy? You Like,
I'm gonna talk about what I'm about to do it
and do it, like I believe that I'm a lot
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like I am now as a player. I mean I
wasn't like arrogant, you know, but like I had confidence,
you know, probably too much at times, but yeah, I
mean i'd let people know, especially in practice like our
own guys, like I didn't. I didn't mess with the
other team a whole lot, but mostly you know, like
with our own group of guys, like I would, I
would talk and try to have fun with it. I mean,
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I'm a competitive attack as you guys know. Yeah, dude,
like not know if you're going in or not feeling,
especially at that position, like every hit ever, would take,
every situation as helmet comes off, you're just like you're
kind of always on the edge of your seat trying
to figure out what's going to be next. And so
like I always felt like it was harder to prepare
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as the backup than it was as the starter, because like,
as the starter, you're extra motivated all the time. As
a backup, you have to like intrinsically mode avate yourself
to get to that level because you truly are like
one play away, and at that position, it's a little
bit different than others, you know, but like you have
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to be so motivated because if you're not, you're gonna
go in there for three and a half quarters and
you're gonna let your teammates down. Like that was what
always like, I can't let all these other guys down. Look,
you have the ability to like lose games, right, Like
when you win games, it's everybody. But like as a quarterback,
you can individually lose a game, and I've done that.
We played Pitt my senior at threw two picks in
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the fourth quarter, Like that is why we lost the game.
And so like going into a locker room as a
quarterback knowing that you let everybody down and like they're
never gonna get on you, but you know guys talking
like you know there's gonna be some chatter, but like
there's no lonelier feeling, like walking into a locker room
and saying, wow, like I just threw two picks in
(26:51):
the fourth quarter, and one of them in our end
zone and we lost because of those Like all these
guys that work so hard are now going home with
a sick feeling in their stomach because you didn't do
your job. And so like at the quarterbacks, you gotta
like really really own your preparation, you know. And like
for me, I was never gonna be athletic enough or
(27:12):
skilled enough just to show up, you know, Like I
couldn't get away with just showing up. So I had
to work at it. And so like that was always
what drove me to work and get better and find
ways to have some success on the field. So I
kind of want to bring up the trans reportal because
you and your experience, like most guys, especially right now,
would be out right if the deal with what you've
(27:34):
dealt with, so like the portal, Like, but it wasn't it, Like,
so it wasn't there. But do you approach that conversation differently,
Like how do you approach that conversation because it is
different now than when when you play. Yeah, you're talking
about like conversation with guys about the portal. Yeah, like
that conversation with someone like regarding no position like anyone. Yeah,
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I think, Look, I always try to operate well with
honesty first, you know, I think everybody's situations independent to
who they are. Look, I don't ever want to see
people leave our programmers. I think we have great kids.
But in my mind, I can justify certain guys leaving
given their circumstances, you know. And so if that's the case,
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I'm gonna be up front and tell them, like, hey,
I don't I don't want to see you go, but
I can understand the reasons X, Y, and Z what's
leading into this point, and like we can try to
we can try to help you find a landing spot
because you are a great kid, or you might have
a situation that you know you're stuck behind somebody that
you're not going to beat out. You know. We never
(28:38):
want to lose guys. And I think there are situations
where it's not in your best interest to leave, and
you know, maybe there's other areas where you can grow,
or I think it's important that you to get a degree,
you know, and I'm gonna tell you that. But everybody's
situations unique to them, you know. And like for certain situations,
if you're a guy that's done everything right and you've
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worked hard and you've asked, you've done everything that's asked
with you and you want to go play ball, like
that gives you an opportunity to go play ball, like
you only you're only going to have so many years
to do that. And look, I think we've had a
wide spectrum of guys, you know, on both sides, and
I just try to keep it as real as I
can and tell them what I honestly think, and then
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my only goal is to try to help them. I'm
not trying to skew anyone's decision. Like I've had those
conversations with guys offensively, and it's this is my honest opinion.
You know, if you need help with it, we're here
for you. It's the same thing when guys are trying
to decide whether or not they're gonna go to the draft.
That's the same conversationation, right, Yeah. I mean the recruiting
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stuff too, Like same thing, like I think once we
decided to offer a kid, we're not offer a kid
or need to see more. Like, look what, it doesn't
do anybody any good? Two bullshit with him? You know,
it doesn't do us any good, doesn't do the player
recruit the train like, don't do anybody any good. You know.
It's like the quicker, you can cut through all that
(30:04):
and get to the facts of the situation. I think
it just helps clear everything up. So speaking about NERD
name itself you already, Can I answer that? One more
thing on that, Like, I feel like players sometimes don't
always trust the coaches, you know, like everybody thinks, hey,
they're just saying this because they only care about the program,
or they only want us here because they're Like I
(30:26):
would tell you, in my experience working with the guys upstairs,
like very very very rarely have I ever thought anybody's
intentions were like selfish, you know, Like I truly believe that,
and I would encourage like when guys have things like that,
like we're gonna try to help you, and we're gonna
try to give you the honest truth. You know, that's
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part of our job too, you know, like we know
we're helping guys try to reach goals and stuff, and
it's it's very rare that you find people that are
more selfish and and I just think, you know, we're
all in this thing together, and we've all, you know,
got through times together, and we were trying to help
everybody find their own path. You spoke a lot about
football and ordain how is Notre Dame as a collective
(31:09):
university outside of football? From while you were here? Yeah,
I did a bad job, man, I lived in a
bubble when I was here, you know, and like part
of it's my fault, you know, I know that part
of it is I had a tough experience at times,
and so um, like, if I could do something over again,
I wish I would have allowed this place to like
really jump into the culture and the community and done
(31:32):
more and like experience more and interacted with other you know,
sports and student body, like just had a better relationship
with everyone else. Even without this groupiny that you've been through. Like, uh,
I don't think any of us have been to it,
to the depths that you have been to it. We
still put up blinder just because of the mundane life
(31:52):
that we live. And this weekend with quote Freeman, what
he did, I had a blind eye to a lot
of stuff that you're mentioning, But this week it was
great and it opened up my third eye to noor
Dain and Nordame community and what Notre Dame has to offer. Yeah,
Like the guys that were back this weekend, Like you know,
there's a handful of guys I played with for a
lot of people I've known or met through the years,
(32:14):
Like they were so grateful just to have the opportunity
to be back and to reconnect and like reconnect with
each other, but also just like reconnect within the program,
Like you go look on Twitter, like the former players
that are sending stuff out, Like there's a certain feeling
you have, you know, in the stadium with your boys,
like and you lose that as time goes on, and
to be able to like recapture that and remind yourself
(32:36):
with these relationships that meant so much to you, you know,
like ten years from now, you guys are gonna sit
around and yeah you'll text and you'll talk every once
in a while, but it's not gonna be like it
is now, you know, and then you have an opportunity
to get back together. It's the truth, though, you know,
Like I lived with the same four guys for three years,
and you know we see each other, you know, once
or twice a year. Now, you know, we try, like heck,
(32:58):
you know, a bunch of them have kids, and you know,
it just gets away from you. And if you have
that opportunity, I'll get back together. Like it's really valuable
and so like for free to do that, you know,
and forbid to set it up. It was It was
really a cool weekend. Definitely, How do you like, what's
the best advice to maintain these relationships because shoot, we
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we talked about having this podcast were the same state. Look,
I think it's easy now with like the way phones
and meet in social media and the way people can
stay connected. You know, I would say, like, don't allow
petty stuff to get in the way. You know, like
you lose touch with guys over like the dumbest ship,
(33:41):
you know, and then before you know what, you can't
reconnect that bro. I can think about. It's Tommy and
Cold taking each other's doors off the hinges. There was
a little April foods fighting here. Yeah, yeah, like that
be the only thing. Like the four guys that lived,
we all still talk almost, you know, a couple of
(34:02):
times a week and all that, but you know, we
don't get to see each other, but you know, and
then we've had some things, you know between us that
have created some distance, but you know, we've found ways
to get through it. And I would just you know,
not allow petty stuff to kind of build up. And
you know, if you don't, you know, that's something that
you can keep it strong. And like the other thing,
(34:24):
it's unfortunate We've had a lot of guys from like
our era passed away in the last couple of years,
and so like the other thing too, is like checking
on people and talking to people and keeping things alive,
like you never really know what someone might be having.
And you know, we talked about as a group, like
you know, we'll be there for each other. And there's
so many people that care about you because if like
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the special relationship you form in a locker room that
you know, it's unfortunate to see that. But I think
you know, some of those situations have happened, which has
allowed us to kind of restrengthen and reconnect and make
sure that we're all there for each other. So we're
gonna um go to Upside the Garage right now, a
segment that we do where our fans family friends, they
(35:05):
send us questions via Twitter email and we basically answered him.
So this week's question comes from Connor Davidson and he says,
dinner with three people that are alive. Who would you pick?
And you gotta start us off dinner with three people
that are alive. Yeah, that's tough. You know, I've never
(35:25):
met my uh my grandfather, so that'd be one of them. Jfka.
I probably throw my buddy Mitch in there. Yeah, he's
just a buddy of mine, Like he's been my best
friends as a little kid, So him and I would
have a good you know, we'd be able to kind
of feed off each other with the conversation. It's a
tough three people. Three. I think I'm gonna go with
(35:50):
Michael Jackson. Um, I was gonna say my grandpa as well,
but I'll switch it up Elon Musk and An maybe
how always use for these questions and maybe cl Honestly,
I don't know you got Connor. J Cole is one
of them. Um, I would really I want to redo mine. Um,
(36:14):
this is not gonna be great. Okay, I'm gonna do
J Cole, Allen Everson, Hey, she's I'm okay, you did
steal one of mine. We always talked. Musk is one
of them. I'm gonna say, you Musk, you're taking call
you out of mind and putting Lawrence Taylor. M hm,
Lawrence Taylor. Yes, Yeah, that's the most random, Like I
(36:36):
need it. I need to have that conversation Taylor. John
Daily type, Oh John Daly, can I REDU mine? Yeah?
Go ahead, go ahead, Paul McCartney, Okay, my grandfather and JFK. Okay,
that's money, Mitchy, Mitch, I can't. Um, I'm saying, m okay,
(37:00):
I really want to. I want to say my grand Dacks.
I've never ever met him. Um, that's a hard ask question.
I'm gonna say, Albert Einstein, I got interesting, you'd be
hard hard. We got another segment called rapid Questions, will
be just try to answer you as fast as possible,
right off the right top of you had whatever the
first thought is. So the first question is, um, mahomes
(37:22):
are Rogers Rogers, country of the city, city movies or
TV shows? TV shows? Four passing tudes or two rushing touchdowns?
For me? Yeah, rushing. I only had one of my
the Midwest of the West Coast Homer away games as
(37:43):
a player or coach, or and do do a player
and a coach as a player away games as a coach?
Home game so I can go home after cake or
ice cream? Ice cream? It's your favorite pizza Toppy pepper
on it, it's your favorite golf course he's ever played
on Baba Link in Chicago. Would you rather have Calvin
(38:06):
Johnson Brady Moss on your team, each your lake. Okay,
hold on, never mind, sorry, like CDJs are olds, definitely
CJ is not even close. Uh favorite Halloween costume as
a kid, I mean I went as like, uh, like
a football player every year. So uh, Kanye Drake, Kanye,
(38:31):
it's the last thing you cooked. I just made uh
rice and barbecue for our quarterbacks. A big dog or
a small dog? Big dog? That's your favorite holiday? Christmas?
Sky diving, a parasailing sky diving, breakfast or dinner breakfast,
favorite spot on Indie's campus, Grotto m Golf and Florida.
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Kelly Calli, in your opinion, was the most underrated football
player ever, just ever ever. Steve Young. Steve Young, Yeah,
quarterback from right now? Alright that okay now theoretic underrated,
not the best that the running back. Yeah like running back.
He played slot earlier and we moved them back to
(39:16):
running back his last year he played running back in
the league. Okay, yeah theo yeah, alright, one more, always
add him one more. But if you could give advice
to younger coaches or not younger high school coaches of
keeping their room tight, because you have a really tight
room in the quarterback, So all love each other, what
would it be like. I think what we've had that's
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been really cool is that we've had just a bunch
of guys that have been really authentic, you know, and look,
I try to treat them all the same, you know,
And like I think the biggest thing is you got
to coach them hard and you gotta no one to
get on them, but you also got to have like
the ability to have a relationship with them outside of football.
And I think that's where our strengths been is that
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those guys know, like it's not only football, right, Like
we'll talk about whatever, you know, They'll come up to
the office and talk about whatever, like they have. You've
been able to build a lot of trust in the
room that like whatever is going on, like we can
it's kind of a safe place for him. And I
think it's probably because like I've gone through it and
I was here and I played, and I'm still young
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enough to know like what it what it feels like.
But I think you just have to have like a
relationship with him that isn't only centered on one thing,
and when you can like treat them like a person
and not just like an athlete or a player. And
like they're going to have more buying and they're gonna
want to be a part of the group. Yeah. So,
and we've had great I mean, the kids have been unbelievable.
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You know, they're just good. That does it. Well, that
was very well said, kid. Go ahead the next time
of the the release. I appreciate you a good ship. Well,
thank you coach for coming on. Thank everybody for listening.
We uh this upcoming week. The fourth member of the crew,
it was, are taking NFL Draft Vegas. Cheer them on.
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I thought we had a lift Thursday. I don't have
any We're making it up. Gave us a pass. Yeah,
listen to this making up tuesday morning, tomorrow morning, and
then we're working out on Saturday. Are you guys doing
a pod from Vegas? It's TVD. Will you guys be
at the table? No, no, no, I don't know yet.
(41:29):
Like the hotel. Yeah, somewhere somewhere. It'll be so quiet,
so yeah, quietly sitting there and you guys have no
fun that night. I'll tell you what. Like some of
my favorite memories with like my buddies, Like I had
two roommates that our first round picks, Zach and Tyler
both taking in the first round. Those like Thursday, I
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think they were both Thursday nights still the draft for
both of them. We didn't go to the draft, but
we had like draft parties for him, like probably two
of the most fun nights I had in college. Like
I mean one, there's so much emotion and like excitement
and happiness that goes into it, like those those two nights,
like probably, like seriously, two of the most fun nights
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I ever had in college. Where were the parties that
they were both at their houses? So Ty was from
four Wayne. You can ask Griff about that night. Wait,
so that's even like they were like they were at
home too. They were still one of the those fun
nights they just had. Yeah, there was like a hundred
I mean there were so many people there and soon
they're watching the draft and they get taken. Those nights,
you guys will have a blast. I mean I'm serious,
because you're so happy, you know, like you're just so
(42:33):
pumped for your boy and like for that happening that
like it's hard not to have a great time. Well,
that looks like we'll be taking a little bit of
a hiatus after this Thursday, So thanks again. Coach coming on.
You gotta thanks for having listening. Thank y'all, See you
next time. M.
The volume. Welcome back everyone to Inside the Garage Podcast.
I'm Conradigan along with J. J. Wallace cam Hart. Today
we have a very special guest, esteemed Notre Dame legend
(00:21):
Tommy Reese. Coach Tommy Reese, I Polo jazz sound effects. Alright, coach,
how you doing. I'm great. Yeah, I'm good to be here.
Pay back to my college jays a little bit. What
did you stay when you were here off campus on
a house on South Benda have right by like preseason
over there we're asked to leave a semester in Uh,
(00:45):
we were at a house over here, like on Juniper,
and I think some guys lived in there after us
for a couple of years. And then we were the
first people to live at university. Yes, my senior year.
Because we were only there for semester, we're the first
ones in. It was like four, like four different groups
of four that all lived right there together. It was
Zach Martin, Chris Watt, who's line now that you guys know,
(01:09):
Dan Fox, he played linebacker, and then uh, Tyler Iffort
for two years because he u he graduated early. He
left for the league, so he has no griff. But yeah,
time and then Nick Martin, Zack's brother kind of crash
on her couch rect time. So we had a pretty
good uh the first people at You Edge and his
(01:30):
new brand new first people. That's weird thinking about we had.
We had Mike. We had mcglinch on the other day
and he was talking about how like so much different,
like guys are living off earlier, like place to live, like, yeah,
that type of stuff. Mike came on as official and
was at our house. It was a problem. Mike was
was freshman my last year and then I came back
(01:52):
here in seventeen. He was He was still on was
You Edge like one of the only developed apartment complexes
that's the around it right now. Yeah, like the ones
right by the Google We're kind of being built. A
lot of students didn't live there yet, like Turtle Creek,
those old ones were. Eddy Street was kind of going up,
but again not a ton of students were there. She
(02:13):
had at that point restaurants like restaurant wise is a
worst day. It was called something else. It wasn't called
she was called something else. But Brothers was there. Towards
the end, Pola was there, five guys was there, and
then pretty much everything else has been recycled. Got you,
got you all right, let's see, that's start. That's start
in the beginning. So born in born in l A,
(02:36):
moved to Illinois. How old were you moved? I was five. Yeah.
So my dad was working at u C. L A
for a while in the early nineties and then he
got a job with the Bears. Uh and he was
from Chicago. My mom's from l A. And so we
moved back to his home sort of. So do you
claim Chicago? You don't say your West Coast kid? Would
(02:56):
you still say your West Coast kids? No, I don't
I claimed Chicago. I I say I'm from the suburbs
of Chicago. I don't claim the city that hard. Yeah,
I know, it's like everyone else that goes here, but
all cleared up, like if someone's from California, say I
was born out there on my mom's sides from out there,
So definitely Chicago. So like, sorry, I want to punch
(03:18):
the name. You and Eddie went this. It was like
like four, Yeah, I'm from Bluff he went yeah, and
Leys so yeah, Ley School, Ye, okay, So would you
say I don't know if it's maybe it's caves now.
But when you play, would you say, like nord name
it was like how many people went there before you did?
(03:38):
From the high school? Uh? No one for like football. Um,
I mean you'd have a handful of students. It was
a good public school, so it was smart kids. So
people can get in. You know, probably six to eight
people of classmate. No football, no football. It's a big school.
It's like kids. It was six A. It's the biggest
(03:58):
six all right. Would you say you you were to
start of this movement then yeah, I gotta jump in. Yeah, pipeline.
You beginning this pipeline like Forest will never be known
for his like Division one football players, you know, but
when we have one, I kind of feel like it's
my duty to make sure they know what I mean.
Did we count Eddie though I don't know the Shodes counts. Yeah,
(04:23):
his brothers. His brother is coming to But his brother
is a good players like you guys should love to
Eddie quarterback. Yeah, his brother. They went to the state
Semis this year. They did a great run and he
was a kind of a star. He's a white out
in quarterback. He played quarterback for them. But I think
he's coming here as more of a wide out like
Buddy like six too, Yeah he's long. Yeah that work.
(04:48):
So when you played there in there, Dame became part
of the question or conversation where you went to school.
Was it an easy decisions already? Like right hard your
priority list? Uh like going into would know, you know,
like I was, I look a lot like I do now,
Like I was not very like you know, like physically
like intimidating or like what you would think of as
(05:09):
a high D one quarterback. But uh, like early on,
my first offer was like bowling green and then mine
of Ohio offer and I was like, look if at
the end of the day, I'm going to my Ohio
play football, Like a lot of my buddies went there,
and my sister went there. No Gus is like, uh
four or five years younger than I don't funny, but
(05:31):
like I was all set. I was like, look if
I go to the MAC, like that's kind of what
I thought. I'll go play there and have a great
time in Miami. It's a good spot. Yeah, good for him.
And then bigger schools kept coming through and I would
throw for him, and everybody kind of gave me the
(05:52):
same line. You gotta come to camp, which I know
now like what that means. Sometimes it means, hey, you
gotta come to camp and proven, and sometimes it's just
a well, I think each situation is different. Like those
there were some truth they were there to see you,
and then I came here and through for camp, went
to Stanford. But like before those two, I went to
Tennessee when Kivin was the head coach, and I threw
(06:14):
down there and did really well, and they ended up
offering me. So that kind of snowballed. And you know,
once you get one, others come in and I ended
up only with like three or four Power five offers.
And I grew up not liking Notre Dame to be honest,
Like you know, like Chicago, there's so many Notre Dame
fans and you're either one side or the other, and
I didn't grow up with any real allegiance to it.
(06:35):
You know, my dad, weirdly enough, we both work here now,
but his dad was born about forty minutes from here,
and he was an Indiana fan, so he didn't love
Notre Dame. And so yeah, I like, once I started
getting recruited, meeting the people, getting on campus, and I
you know, I knew shortly after I got exposed to
it this is where I wanted to be, but like
(06:55):
I never thought it was gonna be an opportunity. And
I remember like going back to high school with a
Notre Dame offer and people still like I didn't believe
it or didn't want it to be true, but uh,
it all worked out in the end. He got here
the same season I did in seventeen, but he I
came in uh like late January, ely February, and then
he came like right as camp started. It's like August
(07:17):
that works out there? What were you? It was here, uh,
Tennessee Stanford and then uh like I Will offered me
during my senior season, like North Carolina offered me during
my senior season, you know, because things weren't going great
at Notre Dame. I was Wie's last class and then
b K's first class. Whenever you look at it. Yeah,
(07:39):
so I think teams are kind of coming in as
like the potential coaching change is happening with Weiss leaving UM,
but it really was probably here at Stanford. My mom
like the education part was always really big for her UM,
and so like I like Tennessee. On the visit. It
was a cool place, good time. Obviously football is a
(07:59):
big deal and Rocky Top. Yeah it was. It was cool. Yeah.
But my mom, I remember her saying at Stanford or
Man and between she runs the show. So I'm just
sure that she and I was taken care of. I
feel like quarterbacks, like to give her career as a
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quarterback is a little bit harder. In high school. I
feel like I've only seen, I guess being from being
from Atlanta, like I've only seen quarterbacks. Either they have
fifty plus offers and these quarterbacks have no offer at all,
you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, they got all
the intangibles, all the armed talent, size, all that, or
it's just like you have you don't have one or
a couple of those things and you're not getting in
(08:41):
the office, you know what I'm saying. I feel like
quarterbacks a little harder. Yeah, there's a couple like one.
Recruiting has changed a ton, and I'm not old. I
don't feel old, but it was, you know, fourteen years ago,
thirteen years ago, and like the way recruiting has changed
is so much earlier now, Like people really didn't unless
you were like the I, you were getting offered until
after your junior season, so you really weren't making decisions
(09:04):
until that summer going into your senior year. That was like, now,
what is the summer going into your junior year? It
was a year later then. Um. The other hard part
is like, if there's a hundred and twenty Division one teams,
you know, in a class or in a cycle, you're
gonna take one quarterback at most schools. You know, if
you take three dbs, you know, that's three hundred and
(09:25):
sixty players versus a hundred and twenty available at quarterback.
And if you take four whiteouts as four injuring eighty
players or a pool that you're picking from, whereas quarterbacks
most years you're only gonna take one. So it's just
a smaller pool of players. And if you look at
like how many Power five schools there are, that number
gets even shrunk and half. And so when you look
at like true Power five quarterbacks, you're probably talking about
(09:48):
forty to fifty a year, and like that position is
so hard to project that you know half of them
don't make it. Like you go back and look at
the class I came out with like I'll do it.
I came here with two other quarterbacks. There are three
of us in my class at Notre Dame, and uh,
I'll talk to one of them about like our class
and we'll joke around. Like you go look at the
top ten. None of them, like really, none of them
(10:08):
made it. None of them in none of the quarterbacks. No,
it's like a weird list and the top ten Creden class. Yeah,
Like if you look at the top ten quarterbacks in
that class, none of them really panned out to be
like you know, I'd have to go back through, but
like none of them are playing in the league right now.
So when you agree with Crudent, what I guess, quote
unquote is made to be the proto prototypical quarterback, the
(10:30):
six three six, It was still the size thing, you know,
I think, yeah, I think that's shifted over the last
eight to ten years. Like you see six foot guys
having success in college and in the NFL, right, Like
Russell Wilson was kind of the first guy to break
that mold and then he kind of opened the door
for everyone else. Then you see the Bakers and Kyler
Murray's and those guys have you know, win the Heisman
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and have so much success. Um certainly you know Bryce
Young now, um, you know our own version with Ian,
But back then it was still like six two was short,
you know, like six two was like the cut off
and I was six one three quarters. So it's like
I'm wearing Timberland's onsins stuff in THEE and it's like
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I just want to measure in at six too, because
that was like the cut off. You know, that was
the bare minimum. Now it's like six too, that's more
than enough. The game's just changed a little bit. I
just felt like coaches, I felt aways felt like the
quarterbacks size are equated to arm salad. It might, yeah,
I mean like you look at a bigger quarterback and
you're gonna, like naturally think always got a strong arm,
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you know. But you look at the way people thrown
out is change a little bit. Like the mechanics, Yeah,
like you see like the whippier throws and like less
of like the follow through more like the back hip
hop like kind of like how Buckner throws a little
bit like kind of that New Age way of throwing,
and like people are creating torque and momentum using rotation
and their back hip and like it used to not
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be that way. So now you see smaller guys who
can freak and sling it like ever goals and who
I played with, he wasn't a big guy, hit a
freaking cannon. His arm was crazy. So do you obviously
the office corner and quarterbacks coach here, So do coach
differently like with that new age? I guess yeah, Like
I think it's shoot. It's even evolved my five years here,
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Like five years ago it was less frequent as it
is now. You know, I try, you know, mechanically as
much as we can. We try to focus more on
the lower body when they're here, Like you don't want
to change too much about how the ball is coming out. Um,
you know, we'll talk about it. And I've had to
like work to understand some of those mechanics because it's
different than what I grew up with. What I've learned, so,
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you know, I've reached out to like some of those
quarterback group specialty guys like Ian's guy will heal It
does a really good job and like I've had conversations
with him just so I can understand it better so
that I can, you know, help and have those conversations
with our guys as they come in. I feel like
that's a great thing that coaches in this new age
are adapting to because like even with dB coaches, it's
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hard to change change you guys like a little player
and technique and like coach making himself, he's really good
at coaching per your style. And I feel like when
you were probably in college or in high school even before,
coaches weren't really doing that. They were like, this is
my way, and this is how you're going to have
to learn how to do it correct. Yeah. I think
in the quarterback position so much mental like yeah, you're
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gonna improve them and you're gonna fundamentally get their base better.
But so much of what we do, you know, week
in and week out, about the mental side, and you
want the other stuff to be able to just kind
of flow, you know, like you want to, hey, if
the guys open, we want to count on the fact
that we can get it to him, you know, and
if we're out of position and we're not in our
and our posture is not right or our target line
is not right, yeah, we'll talk about that fundamentally. But
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there's a lot of other stuff that goes on. You know,
in spring ball is a good time to focus on
the fundamentals because you're not game planning and you're not
in the weeds that way. But you know, we've been
fortunate that our guys are pretty smooth mechanically, but coming
in Yeah, I guess kind of way you're talking about,
I kind of think about like a golf swing, Like
everyone has their own unique ye know what I'm saying
type of thing, and it's like a like a specialist
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like kicker, punter, like a picture. In baseball, everyone's get
their own little deal to it. Yeah. Who would you
say is your favorite quarterback throwing motion? I guess in
the league. I mean Rogers pretty funny. Yeah, that's probably
the best example. Uh yeah, man, he's he's hard to be. Like,
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Garoppolo is really clean. If you ever watch him throw,
Like you know, people don't think if you just watch
his mechanics, they're really clean. Yeah, I mean they're really clean. Actually,
I wouldn't have even thought of Grapplo know that's like, um,
if you if you watch him throw, you'll like he's
that new age stuff. And like when Ian was here,
that was a guy he always wanted to watch because
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he plays with a great base. There's a lot of
very little wasted movement and he's not one that you
think of, but when you watch him, like fundamentally he's
really good. So speaking of about actually Garoppolo was my class.
He's play in the league, but he was Eastern Illinois
from Chicago, was from twenty minutes from rom Front. But
he made it. But like he was, he went Eastern.
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Like he wasn't a top ten, Yeah he was. He drafted.
So speaking about your time here nor day and talk
about like your growth into getting your starting job and
were you up against um, yeah, my four years were
pretty wild. Um So my freshman year, I came in
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like with three quarterbacks right and came early. The other
two did not, which was obviously a leg up a
little bit. Went through spring, got almost no reps. Then
in summer, I don't know, something clicked, you know, like
I felt like I remember coming here to throw and
like my first ever day I threw with the guys
in the indoor loft. Is I remember saying, like, you know,
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it's like February March and we're doing just like a
routes on air, and I remember looking at you know
some of the other quarterbacks, and there was a kid
a couple of years ahead of me, was a five
star who's a good friend of mine. But I remember thinking,
all right, I can play with these guys, Like I
can throw with these guys. You know, I didn't until
you do it, you don't know. And uh so I
had some confidence. And then spring I didn't do much,
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you know, but I felt all right. And then you know,
summer happened and we were doing like the summer player
run deals and we're throwing and like something just clicked
and all of a sudden, the offense was kind of flowing,
and I felt really good. And then like the first
couple of days in camp, I felt really good. And
then I was slowly starting to creep into like that
backup role and like solidifying myself there. You know. We
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had our first Saturday scrimmage and I think my first
drive went right down. Score second drive, I came down
on a helmet and like spraying my thumb pretty bad
and I couldn't really throw. But I finished the day
and had a good day. And I remember like that
we had a day off and another practice, and that
was when like I couldn't do anything. But Coach Kelly
told me, He's like, hey, you're gonna be the backup.
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Just keep going, You're gonna be the backup, which at
the time was a big deal for me, you know,
and it's huge as yeah, and so I uh we yeah.
So fast forward the second game of the year, We're
playing Michigan at home. Dane got poked in the eye
and uh, I go in and my very first past
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it was a play we called Wolverine. I'll never forget
to play called Wolverine because we're playing Michigan and the
signal was like the stripes on the helmet. So I
remember looking over to mulve our signal and they're like
they're doing this. I'm like, what the hell is that?
Holy ship? He's calling Wolverine. It was a flee flicker,
it was. It was a flee flicker throwback first past.
That's a lot of trust. Yeah, threw a pick, yeah,
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and so I like it was like essentially like post
deep over, you know. And I threw it and I
was like, oh, it's a freaking dime. Like it came
out good, like I saw the opening I anticipated. I'm like, Oh,
it's a freaking dime and then boom, linebacker underneath it
makes the play. I'm like to be kidding me. And
then I went in for another series like one hop
the field hitch and they pulled me no, no, just
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like one, like you know what I mean. No, no,
no, no no, like one hoped one And uh, did you
win this game? No? We lost dramatic fashion, and so
whatever like that was obviously a learning experience. And then
a couple of weeks later, we were playing Navy in
New York and uh, we're playing at the Meadowlands and
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we got our ass kicked likeeen maybe yeah, they're fullbackmen
for like two hundred a wheel for a touchdown that
the last time they beat This has to be I
don't know, probably, but we got crushed, and uh, but
I caught a wheel route yea from touchdown. He was
a bad dude, and their quarterback was like a really
good player. And but I went in for the last
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drive like in garbage time and I went like eight
for nine we scored and that was one of the
only you know, and I felt good. And then the
next week playing Tulsa at home and Dane blew out
his knee and so then I ended up playing like
three and a half quarters. We threw the ball like
fifty something times. Lost. Um, it was a tough week.
There was a lot going on at the university and
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stuff with the program, and uh, but then I end
up we played Utah two weeks later when a bye week,
played Utah, who was third in the country, then lost
to TCU and they were like eleventh when they came in.
It was senior night and we won three in my
first start, which was unbelievable, and like senior Night was
cool and uh. Then we played Yankee Stadium, Army beat them,
played at sc beat them for like the first time
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in ten years, and then played the U and the
bowl game beat them. So like my four starts with
four and oh um. So then going into my sophomore year,
there was a competition between me and Dane ended up
naming Dame the starter first half played South Florida at home,
and the opener he got pulled at half. They put
me in. I played the rest start of the rest
of the season that year. So then junior year, would
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you guys in that something, We're eight four and lost
to Florida State in the bowl game. You know, we
were looked the program programs in a much different place now,
you know what I mean, Like you're eating for now,
you know, yeah, we won't ten. I've been back five seasons.
We don't at least ten every year. So then junior year,
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make a mistake in the off season, last day of
class my sophomore year, you know, drinking off campus, got
in trouble, so I was suspended for the opener. So
I wasn't really eligible to like compete to be the starter.
And so then it was Everett Andrew hendricks Can named
gunner Keel who was like a five star freshman coming in,
and so every obviously became the starter. And then throughout
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that entire year that was the season went the national championship.
You know, like I had a role as kind of
a guy that would come in if ever was struggling
or like two minute drives. So yeah, that's what they
made it, right. Yeah, but uh, like my first game
after the suspension, we played for Due at home, and
b K put me in for the two minute drive
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at the end. I didn't take. I haven't taken one rep.
I didn't take one was seven on or one team
all of camp because they needed these other guys who
had never played to get all the experience. And so
then he I mean, I was shocked. He's like, hey,
you're going in for two minutes, no time to react,
warmed up through five balls, shocked off. We went down
to field, go win the game. And then a couple
of weeks later, we played Michigan at home than if
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we played Michigan at home, you know, big game under
the lights. All that ever, was struggling a little bit,
turned it over and put me in like late first,
early second quarter. Played the rest of the game. I
had my only rushing touchdown. And then I thought at
that point like okay, like maybe you know, there's two
or two games, maybe I'll start moving forward, you know,
postgame press conference he says, we're staying whatever. And so
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it was, you know, frustrating, but I cared about the team,
you know, and I wanted to continue to support and
have a role where I could. And so there was
a couple of other games like Stanford, I played at
the end and we had a nice run there to
win the game. Um play had like one play against
Oklahoma at Oklahoma and like third and eight because ever
tell me came off, Yeah, you had like one play
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third down through a stopp route to Tyler for a
first down and jogged off. You know, It's just like
random things like that. And then that was my junior
year was like it wasn't look it really. After the
Michigan game, I was a little frustrated for a couple
of weeks, but like I found peace in my role
towards the back half of the year, and like we
were on such a special run and we went remember
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we went like eight and five, eight and five, and
all of a sudden, we're ten and oh, leaven or o,
we're the number one team in the country. So just
like you were. So I was so much in the
moment that I didn't necessarily like directed back towards me.
Was more about everyone else. And uh, you know, obviously
the game against Bama didn't go grade. And then so
I head into my senior year, I had a little
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bit of a decision. Like I played and I knew
I could play, and I wanted to continue to play
whatever it was coming back and ever it was going
to be the guy. And so I was faced with
decision and this was before the portals, like Okay, do
I want to transfer? Do I want to stay at
Notre Dame and graduate. And for my teammates, you would
have had to sit out, or I would have gone
to like, you know, like a Richmond or something like
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and and take. If you went down to one double
A at the time, you didn't have to sit it out.
So I remember it was like during Bowl prep and
I just one more. I'm like, I'm not I'm not
gonna leave. So I woke up and just said, hey,
I'm gonna stay and whatever my role is, I'm happy with.
And you know, I want to continue to help the team.
And you know, I met with coach, and I met
with Zach who was one of our captains, one of
my best friends, and we talked about it for a while.
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And then six months later in May, it was my
twenty first birthday, I was out in California with my
best friend and my brother, and I'm getting these texts like, hey,
have you heard anything about Everett? And I'm like, what
are you guys talking about? And you know, he got
kicked out of school and so he got in trouble.
I kicked out of school and so my senior year,
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my senior year ended up starting all thirteen games and
we were you know nine and four. Yeah, think nine
and four on the year, and but like I decided
to stay, you know, thinking, hey, I'm gonna have a role,
I'll be the backup, I'll play sporadically and you know,
contine to help the guys. But you know, whatever happened
happened with Evan. You know, I had a chance to
start all the games my senior year with money. So
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it was just it was like every year like nothing
was just normal, you know, like not like none of them,
not one year like go into it saying, wow, this
is a normal year. You know everything there was ups
and downs, you know, situations that were out of my control,
and I just tried to really for me, it was
all about like the guys on the team, and uh
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so you guys know what you guys know, everyone closet,
everyone is. It doesn't become as much about you in
those moments. Can you talk about like when you were playing,
like what did you what is your confidence like? Because
I feel like so many things have happened to you
and you just kind of like remain constant, Like are
you like a quiet confidence kind of guy? You Like,
I'm gonna talk about what I'm about to do it
and do it, like I believe that I'm a lot
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like I am now as a player. I mean I
wasn't like arrogant, you know, but like I had confidence,
you know, probably too much at times, but yeah, I
mean i'd let people know, especially in practice like our
own guys, like I didn't. I didn't mess with the
other team a whole lot, but mostly you know, like
with our own group of guys, like I would, I
would talk and try to have fun with it. I mean,
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I'm a competitive attack as you guys know. Yeah, dude,
like not know if you're going in or not feeling,
especially at that position, like every hit ever, would take,
every situation as helmet comes off, you're just like you're
kind of always on the edge of your seat trying
to figure out what's going to be next. And so
like I always felt like it was harder to prepare
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as the backup than it was as the starter, because like,
as the starter, you're extra motivated all the time. As
a backup, you have to like intrinsically mode avate yourself
to get to that level because you truly are like
one play away, and at that position, it's a little
bit different than others, you know, but like you have
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to be so motivated because if you're not, you're gonna
go in there for three and a half quarters and
you're gonna let your teammates down. Like that was what
always like, I can't let all these other guys down. Look,
you have the ability to like lose games, right, Like
when you win games, it's everybody. But like as a quarterback,
you can individually lose a game, and I've done that.
We played Pitt my senior at threw two picks in
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the fourth quarter, Like that is why we lost the game.
And so like going into a locker room as a
quarterback knowing that you let everybody down and like they're
never gonna get on you, but you know guys talking
like you know there's gonna be some chatter, but like
there's no lonelier feeling, like walking into a locker room
and saying, wow, like I just threw two picks in
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the fourth quarter, and one of them in our end
zone and we lost because of those Like all these
guys that work so hard are now going home with
a sick feeling in their stomach because you didn't do
your job. And so like at the quarterbacks, you gotta
like really really own your preparation, you know. And like
for me, I was never gonna be athletic enough or
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skilled enough just to show up, you know, Like I
couldn't get away with just showing up. So I had
to work at it. And so like that was always
what drove me to work and get better and find
ways to have some success on the field. So I
kind of want to bring up the trans reportal because
you and your experience, like most guys, especially right now,
would be out right if the deal with what you've
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dealt with, so like the portal, Like, but it wasn't it, Like,
so it wasn't there. But do you approach that conversation differently,
Like how do you approach that conversation because it is
different now than when when you play. Yeah, you're talking
about like conversation with guys about the portal. Yeah, like
that conversation with someone like regarding no position like anyone. Yeah,
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I think, Look, I always try to operate well with
honesty first, you know, I think everybody's situations independent to
who they are. Look, I don't ever want to see
people leave our programmers. I think we have great kids.
But in my mind, I can justify certain guys leaving
given their circumstances, you know. And so if that's the case,
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I'm gonna be up front and tell them, like, hey,
I don't I don't want to see you go, but
I can understand the reasons X, Y, and Z what's
leading into this point, and like we can try to
we can try to help you find a landing spot
because you are a great kid, or you might have
a situation that you know you're stuck behind somebody that
you're not going to beat out. You know. We never
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want to lose guys. And I think there are situations
where it's not in your best interest to leave, and
you know, maybe there's other areas where you can grow,
or I think it's important that you to get a degree,
you know, and I'm gonna tell you that. But everybody's
situations unique to them, you know. And like for certain situations,
if you're a guy that's done everything right and you've
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worked hard and you've asked, you've done everything that's asked
with you and you want to go play ball, like
that gives you an opportunity to go play ball, like
you only you're only going to have so many years
to do that. And look, I think we've had a
wide spectrum of guys, you know, on both sides, and
I just try to keep it as real as I
can and tell them what I honestly think, and then
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my only goal is to try to help them. I'm
not trying to skew anyone's decision. Like I've had those
conversations with guys offensively, and it's this is my honest opinion.
You know, if you need help with it, we're here
for you. It's the same thing when guys are trying
to decide whether or not they're gonna go to the draft.
That's the same conversationation, right, Yeah. I mean the recruiting
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stuff too, Like same thing, like I think once we
decided to offer a kid, we're not offer a kid
or need to see more. Like, look what, it doesn't
do anybody any good? Two bullshit with him? You know,
it doesn't do us any good, doesn't do the player
recruit the train like, don't do anybody any good. You know.
It's like the quicker, you can cut through all that
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and get to the facts of the situation. I think
it just helps clear everything up. So speaking about NERD
name itself you already, Can I answer that? One more
thing on that, Like, I feel like players sometimes don't
always trust the coaches, you know, like everybody thinks, hey,
they're just saying this because they only care about the program,
or they only want us here because they're Like I
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would tell you, in my experience working with the guys upstairs,
like very very very rarely have I ever thought anybody's
intentions were like selfish, you know, Like I truly believe that,
and I would encourage like when guys have things like that,
like we're gonna try to help you, and we're gonna
try to give you the honest truth. You know, that's
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part of our job too, you know, like we know
we're helping guys try to reach goals and stuff, and
it's it's very rare that you find people that are
more selfish and and I just think, you know, we're
all in this thing together, and we've all, you know,
got through times together, and we were trying to help
everybody find their own path. You spoke a lot about
football and ordain how is Notre Dame as a collective
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university outside of football? From while you were here? Yeah,
I did a bad job, man, I lived in a
bubble when I was here, you know, and like part
of it's my fault, you know, I know that part
of it is I had a tough experience at times,
and so um, like, if I could do something over again,
I wish I would have allowed this place to like
really jump into the culture and the community and done
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more and like experience more and interacted with other you know,
sports and student body, like just had a better relationship
with everyone else. Even without this groupiny that you've been through. Like, uh,
I don't think any of us have been to it,
to the depths that you have been to it. We
still put up blinder just because of the mundane life
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that we live. And this weekend with quote Freeman, what
he did, I had a blind eye to a lot
of stuff that you're mentioning, But this week it was
great and it opened up my third eye to noor
Dain and Nordame community and what Notre Dame has to offer. Yeah,
Like the guys that were back this weekend, Like you know,
there's a handful of guys I played with for a
lot of people I've known or met through the years,
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Like they were so grateful just to have the opportunity
to be back and to reconnect and like reconnect with
each other, but also just like reconnect within the program,
Like you go look on Twitter, like the former players
that are sending stuff out, Like there's a certain feeling
you have, you know, in the stadium with your boys,
like and you lose that as time goes on, and
to be able to like recapture that and remind yourself
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with these relationships that meant so much to you, you know,
like ten years from now, you guys are gonna sit
around and yeah you'll text and you'll talk every once
in a while, but it's not gonna be like it
is now, you know, and then you have an opportunity
to get back together. It's the truth, though, you know,
Like I lived with the same four guys for three years,
and you know we see each other, you know, once
or twice a year. Now, you know, we try, like heck,
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you know, a bunch of them have kids, and you know,
it just gets away from you. And if you have
that opportunity, I'll get back together. Like it's really valuable
and so like for free to do that, you know,
and forbid to set it up. It was It was
really a cool weekend. Definitely, How do you like, what's
the best advice to maintain these relationships because shoot, we
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we talked about having this podcast were the same state. Look,
I think it's easy now with like the way phones
and meet in social media and the way people can
stay connected. You know, I would say, like, don't allow
petty stuff to get in the way. You know, like
you lose touch with guys over like the dumbest ship,
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you know, and then before you know what, you can't
reconnect that bro. I can think about. It's Tommy and
Cold taking each other's doors off the hinges. There was
a little April foods fighting here. Yeah, yeah, like that
be the only thing. Like the four guys that lived,
we all still talk almost, you know, a couple of
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times a week and all that, but you know, we
don't get to see each other, but you know, and
then we've had some things, you know between us that
have created some distance, but you know, we've found ways
to get through it. And I would just you know,
not allow petty stuff to kind of build up. And
you know, if you don't, you know, that's something that
you can keep it strong. And like the other thing,
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it's unfortunate We've had a lot of guys from like
our era passed away in the last couple of years,
and so like the other thing too, is like checking
on people and talking to people and keeping things alive,
like you never really know what someone might be having.
And you know, we talked about as a group, like
you know, we'll be there for each other. And there's
so many people that care about you because if like
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the special relationship you form in a locker room that
you know, it's unfortunate to see that. But I think
you know, some of those situations have happened, which has
allowed us to kind of restrengthen and reconnect and make
sure that we're all there for each other. So we're
gonna um go to Upside the Garage right now, a
segment that we do where our fans family friends, they
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send us questions via Twitter email and we basically answered him.
So this week's question comes from Connor Davidson and he says,
dinner with three people that are alive. Who would you pick?
And you gotta start us off dinner with three people
that are alive. Yeah, that's tough. You know, I've never
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met my uh my grandfather, so that'd be one of them. Jfka.
I probably throw my buddy Mitch in there. Yeah, he's
just a buddy of mine, Like he's been my best
friends as a little kid, So him and I would
have a good you know, we'd be able to kind
of feed off each other with the conversation. It's a
tough three people. Three. I think I'm gonna go with
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Michael Jackson. Um, I was gonna say my grandpa as well,
but I'll switch it up Elon Musk and An maybe
how always use for these questions and maybe cl Honestly,
I don't know you got Connor. J Cole is one
of them. Um, I would really I want to redo mine. Um,
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this is not gonna be great. Okay, I'm gonna do
J Cole, Allen Everson, Hey, she's I'm okay, you did
steal one of mine. We always talked. Musk is one
of them. I'm gonna say, you Musk, you're taking call
you out of mind and putting Lawrence Taylor. M hm,
Lawrence Taylor. Yes, Yeah, that's the most random, Like I
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need it. I need to have that conversation Taylor. John
Daily type, Oh John Daly, can I REDU mine? Yeah?
Go ahead, go ahead, Paul McCartney, Okay, my grandfather and JFK. Okay,
that's money, Mitchy, Mitch, I can't. Um, I'm saying, m okay,
(37:00):
I really want to. I want to say my grand Dacks.
I've never ever met him. Um, that's a hard ask question.
I'm gonna say, Albert Einstein, I got interesting, you'd be
hard hard. We got another segment called rapid Questions, will
be just try to answer you as fast as possible,
right off the right top of you had whatever the
first thought is. So the first question is, um, mahomes
(37:22):
are Rogers Rogers, country of the city, city movies or
TV shows? TV shows? Four passing tudes or two rushing touchdowns?
For me? Yeah, rushing. I only had one of my
the Midwest of the West Coast Homer away games as
(37:43):
a player or coach, or and do do a player
and a coach as a player away games as a coach?
Home game so I can go home after cake or
ice cream? Ice cream? It's your favorite pizza Toppy pepper
on it, it's your favorite golf course he's ever played
on Baba Link in Chicago. Would you rather have Calvin
(38:06):
Johnson Brady Moss on your team, each your lake. Okay,
hold on, never mind, sorry, like CDJs are olds, definitely
CJ is not even close. Uh favorite Halloween costume as
a kid, I mean I went as like, uh, like
a football player every year. So uh, Kanye Drake, Kanye,
(38:31):
it's the last thing you cooked. I just made uh
rice and barbecue for our quarterbacks. A big dog or
a small dog? Big dog? That's your favorite holiday? Christmas?
Sky diving, a parasailing sky diving, breakfast or dinner breakfast,
favorite spot on Indie's campus, Grotto m Golf and Florida.
(38:54):
Kelly Calli, in your opinion, was the most underrated football
player ever, just ever ever. Steve Young. Steve Young, Yeah,
quarterback from right now? Alright that okay now theoretic underrated,
not the best that the running back. Yeah like running back.
He played slot earlier and we moved them back to
(39:16):
running back his last year he played running back in
the league. Okay, yeah theo yeah, alright, one more, always
add him one more. But if you could give advice
to younger coaches or not younger high school coaches of
keeping their room tight, because you have a really tight
room in the quarterback, So all love each other, what
would it be like. I think what we've had that's
(39:37):
been really cool is that we've had just a bunch
of guys that have been really authentic, you know, and look,
I try to treat them all the same, you know,
And like I think the biggest thing is you got
to coach them hard and you gotta no one to
get on them, but you also got to have like
the ability to have a relationship with them outside of football.
And I think that's where our strengths been is that
(39:58):
those guys know, like it's not only football, right, Like
we'll talk about whatever, you know, They'll come up to
the office and talk about whatever, like they have. You've
been able to build a lot of trust in the
room that like whatever is going on, like we can
it's kind of a safe place for him. And I
think it's probably because like I've gone through it and
I was here and I played, and I'm still young
(40:19):
enough to know like what it what it feels like.
But I think you just have to have like a
relationship with him that isn't only centered on one thing,
and when you can like treat them like a person
and not just like an athlete or a player. And
like they're going to have more buying and they're gonna
want to be a part of the group. Yeah. So,
and we've had great I mean, the kids have been unbelievable.
(40:42):
You know, they're just good. That does it. Well, that
was very well said, kid. Go ahead the next time
of the the release. I appreciate you a good ship. Well,
thank you coach for coming on. Thank everybody for listening.
We uh this upcoming week. The fourth member of the crew,
it was, are taking NFL Draft Vegas. Cheer them on.
(41:06):
I thought we had a lift Thursday. I don't have
any We're making it up. Gave us a pass. Yeah,
listen to this making up tuesday morning, tomorrow morning, and
then we're working out on Saturday. Are you guys doing
a pod from Vegas? It's TVD. Will you guys be
at the table? No, no, no, I don't know yet.
(41:29):
Like the hotel. Yeah, somewhere somewhere. It'll be so quiet,
so yeah, quietly sitting there and you guys have no
fun that night. I'll tell you what. Like some of
my favorite memories with like my buddies, Like I had
two roommates that our first round picks, Zach and Tyler
both taking in the first round. Those like Thursday, I
(41:49):
think they were both Thursday nights still the draft for
both of them. We didn't go to the draft, but
we had like draft parties for him, like probably two
of the most fun nights I had in college. Like
I mean one, there's so much emotion and like excitement
and happiness that goes into it, like those those two nights,
like probably, like seriously, two of the most fun nights
(42:12):
I ever had in college. Where were the parties that
they were both at their houses? So Ty was from
four Wayne. You can ask Griff about that night. Wait,
so that's even like they were like they were at
home too. They were still one of the those fun
nights they just had. Yeah, there was like a hundred
I mean there were so many people there and soon
they're watching the draft and they get taken. Those nights,
you guys will have a blast. I mean I'm serious,
because you're so happy, you know, like you're just so
(42:33):
pumped for your boy and like for that happening that
like it's hard not to have a great time. Well,
that looks like we'll be taking a little bit of
a hiatus after this Thursday, So thanks again. Coach coming on.
You gotta thanks for having listening. Thank y'all, See you
next time. M.
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