February 1, 2023 • 30 mins
How do your psychic gifts show up? Do you embrace them, or do you feel uneasy sharing them with your loved ones? Do you share your experiences, or fear others will think you're crazy?
Your personal psychic & spiritual evolution can be surprising, alarming, intentional, and ever-unfolding. Growth can be attained through dreams, meditation, and messengers in both big and subtle ways. This is how the Other Side breaks through, and no two spiritual journeys are exactly the same. But what happens when those closest to you do not agree with or align with your newfound expansion and abilities? Today Brenda Rose discusses how you can keep and create a sacred safe space for both yourself and others by applying the wisdom of grace, kindness and vulnerability in a compassionate, judgement-free way—whether someone confirms your journey... or not.
Earth School is hard, and what some consider 'woo-woo' the Other Side knows is "Whoooohooooo!" So join us today in this safe space, where you are seen, heard, believed, and loved.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of My Heart Radio. Hi y'all, I'm Julie. Hi there,
I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the other Side.
Now you all need to know that we are obsessed
with everything on the other side. Yes we are, because
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once you learn to navigate the energetic, or to some
the invisible world, life is going to be more fun
and much more serene. Heck, yes it can, because let's
be honest, brand Earth School is hard. In fact, you
taught me that. Let's crush Earth School together. Hello and
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welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side. Brenda Rose
filling in for both me and myself. The partnership is
on hold while one partner is downed. So I'm stepping
in to share with you something that has come up
over and over in our d m s. The good
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news is alf it's Julie is getting better and better.
But part of the thing that she's dealing with is
she lost her voice, so it makes podcasting effort so challenging.
So but she's gonna beam things out energetically, so you
can download that episode any time, okay, So in the meantime,
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I'm going to do the talking part of what we
had planned to discuss and share with you today, which
is something you all inspired because you've been sharing stories
with us about how your psychic gifts are showing up
and expanding and sometimes really intentional and longed for ways,
sometimes surprising and disarming ways, and sometimes just straight out
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flat no, I do not want this kind of ways.
So um, what we're going to talk about is not
as much the skills, because obviously they're showing up in
all kinds of ways, whether it's in dreams or meditations,
or sometimes animals are showing up as messengers, sometimes humans
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are showing up as messengers all kinds of ways. The
other side is breaking through in your conscious active earthly
life too. Remind you that one, we're not alone, and
you're not operating in this earth world alone, like you
have all kinds of help from loved ones on the
other sides, to guides on the other side, all kinds
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of support. Right. So um, but we don't really know
because people don't really talk about how to talk about
it what you're experiencing unless you're in really safe company,
like if you're in the other side guide's tribe, you
know that you can share your all kinds of conversations
with people and you will be affirmed. And I have
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that happened to me? Or what's that like? Tell me
more like this. It's an open community for sure about
how things get shared. But when you're outside that frequency
of safety and exploration in knowing that the other side
is real, then what how? What? What do I do?
What do I do when I'm talking to someone and
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like something shows up? Do I share it? Do I
not share it? And how can I do this with grace?
And how can I do it without creating fear or
ridicule or ostracization, Like there's all kinds of things that
can happen if we don't handle this right. So this
is what we're gonna talk about today. I'm going to
do my best to have an engaging conversation with myself
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while I continue to miss uh, my companion, my co host,
my beloved health. So um one of one of the ways.
So obviously we title this. Are you embracing or embarrassed
about your gifts as they're unfolding? I would say for
people who have been on this path for a while,
like most people just over it there like I know
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how to filter. I can I complain next with people
if I have to, and I just move on when
they start bad mouthing, you know, woo people. That's usually
the term that are you all woo woo you know
or something, um, And they don't say it in a
good way. And then other people do say it in
a good way, and that's always fun. But so what
happens is that usually we start sharing our experiences, our
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expansion some would consider our blessings. We start sharing those
usually with our inner circle, right, That's where we start,
That's where we live. So we share it with our
inner circle. And specifically that's the most vulnerable place, right
because if you can voted off the island, Now what
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do I do? Oh my god, my own tribe, my
own family, could be a family of origin, could be
a family you know that you created. Um. They they're
not talking to like there, they won't talk to me
about this, or they don't want to listen to it,
or they're denying it, or they're telling me I'm doing
devil's work. This is a very popular phrase, that you
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are doing the devil's work. Um. And I've been told that.
I'm sure my elf has been told that many times,
and it literally it is how people view the world.
They're trying to make sense of something, so that's what
makes sense for them. Of course, you don't have to
take that on. This literally, literally does not have anything
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to do with you. When someone shares an opinion that
is so far from your frequency, it kind of just
bounces off you, like it's so shocking. You're like, what
was that? That's that's crazy talk like, and you just
have to accommodate. Like, I get that this is fearful
for you. You haven't been on my frequency ten years ago.
I may have been exactly where you are, and so
you just create spaciousness to accommodate the frequency that they
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are embodying. And I get what you just said makes
so much sense to you. Thank you for sharing that.
Now that you've shared that, I know that I'm not
going to share my different frequency. Our frequencies are so
different that they're not going to connect. So I'll just
dial on my back great comfort. But I don't have
to take that on as though it is true for me.
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I know it is true for you. I don't have
to fight what is so I can simply just dial
mine back and go, oh, thank you for sharing exactly
who you are. Right, that's how I would choose to
do that. As you know, my elf may take a
different stance because she moved through the life, through the
world in a very different way than I do. UM,
So we will have to chat with her about how
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that shows up. But what's so interesting to me is
oftentimes when someone shows up really strong, sort of you
know you are dangerous, you are bad. When they show
up that way, it's literally it can happen years later,
decades later, where those same people will show up asking
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for your help at a different point in time. And
it's so interesting to me when that happens, because when
it does, I'm really First of all, I'm like, oh,
I'm so glad I didn't burn this bridge when it
showed up, Right, I'm really glad I I tried to
stay neutral. I'm not saying I'm always loving light. I
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do try and you know, take the highest path available
available to me in the moment. But you know, I
didn't like torch them or didn't judge them as much
as I'm literally searching for a place to be where
we can co exist in the same space. Um. Even
though we don't have to be connected, like that's what
I'm trying to do. But by doing that, you actually
keep the road open, the energetic road open, so that
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they can return to you. Should they have a question,
should they have an inquiry, should they come to a
space in their journey where they're like, you know, I
used to trust this person. I know this person. Maybe
I could ask her this question you like you want to.
For me, I would want to stay open in this way,
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to hold that grace whenever it shows up, whether it's
lifetimes from now or ten months from now or ten
minutes from now, like you just never know. So that's
how I think of it. And it's really hard because
it can be hurtful when someone judges work that you
hold as sacred that you're like studying and curious about
and open hearted about. And you can just step it
down into a neutral space that says, Okay, that's where
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you are. That's fine. We're on different journeys. We don't
have to agree on everything, and we can disagree on
a lot of things and still be friends. Although I
will say many people when it comes to the spiritual
path will will judge you harshly and not feel safe
enough to be with you. So these are just things
to consider options, you know, instead of going directly at
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them and making them wrong, because that doesn't do any good, right,
I mean, you're just, all of a sudden, you jumped
in the mud with them, right, and by being low vibration, right,
it's like I don't I don't have to fight to
convince you of my belief system. I've come through this
step by step, right is I always say it's a
dial on, not a switch all of a sudden, and
you know, oh gosh, I understand how the world works. Now.
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It's like I've figured out to take a step. I
figured out again, right, And they're on their own path.
They're figuring out different things that I probably haven't even considered.
So like just it's it's a nice place to stay
in the space of grace. Um. Now, of course, this
is when I'm thinking, like it's your inner tribe, people
that you know, and it can take a minute to adjust,
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but holding that graciousness for later connection is really helpful.
But when this comes to your romantic partner, then it
gets a little different. And this is often the things
I hear about and the things I see about I
see in and many of my readings that I do.
So we're going to talk about that when we come
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back and welcome back, Okay, so let's dive into it.
When our spiritual expansion, our curiosity, our support system takes
us to moving from what we believed before into believing
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something else, sometimes the people closest to us don't move
with us. They don't understand, they don't have the curiosity.
They may be fearful, they may be judging, they may
simply be disinterested or expanding in different ways. And you
know that happens. But I like the analogy that relationships
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go through thick and thin times, Like you know, thick
when you're just intertwined with each other, completely aligned, just
firing an all symbol and all cylinders and like moving
you know, as one and and you know, totally connected.
And then those thin times where those connection places are
few and far between, and you're like, why did we
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even decide to do this? Like who are you? You know?
Said sometimes, but if pulsations, you know what pulses, it's
like a wave um, And so sometimes in those thin
times when you get into different sort of currents during
different frequencies, different areas of expansion or curiosity, and where
you get judged or you start judging, like, what's wrong
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with you? Why can't you support me in the way
that I need? Why can't you UM be curious about this?
How can you not care about this? This means so
much to me. These are all kinds of things that happen. Um,
just like someone saying, look, I'm worried about your soul.
I think you're doing dangerous things. They're responsible things. This
makes no sense to me, and it's not how we
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started this journey. So you're the one who's blowing things up.
These are things I hear about all the time. They
come up in readings, And so the important thing to
remember is that nobody's spiritual journey is the same no one.
We may share similar experiences, we may share very different
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experiences that point to the same spiritual truth or two
perennial wisdom or something like understanding of how the world
works that but everyone gets there their own way, right,
So like just knowing that and understanding like I chose
a path, or I chose to respond to an invitation
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from the universe from a friend who knows where it
came from. They said I'm going to study drill right,
I shared last week. So what or how does it
happen that we who have committed to each other, have
been together for years or sometimes decades, have decided to
see the world so differently. So instead of making it
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about the other person, like they're doing something wrong or
they're doing something to offend you or hurt you, even
though you may be offended and you may be hurt.
Those things may be true, but that doesn't mean that
what they're saying is intended to do that. Listen for
their fear, Listen for their love, because sometimes their fears
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I'm afraid for you, you don't have to be afraid
for me. I'm studying. I'm learning things to learn how
to keep myself safe and to keep myself aligned to
my personal principles right, or I wouldn't be continuing on
this journey like reassure that that person that they trust,
who at one point they trusted your judgment right, is
still here and you're you're just taking those principles of
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how you move through the world in a different direction.
You're exploring, and then look also at yourself that is
curious or at least willing to take a look and
take responsibility for how you may be judging them. How
did I make them less than for not taking that
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class with me or not being curious about my class.
Do they need to be curious about your class in
order for the class to be meaningful you meaningful to you?
I don't think so. I don't think that's how it works.
And yeah, it's really exciting when thanks started opening it up.
It's really amazing when you offer someone a message or
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reading or an insight from the spiritual world that you
get confirmed, it's really like it's life changing and says,
oh my gosh, that landed. Thank you so much for
that confirmation. That means everything to me. And I'm telling
you that for me personally, like that never gets old.
It never gets old. When I give someone a message
and they're like that happened, I'm like, that's awesome, thanks,
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thanks for sharing that, right, It's it's just exciting. It's
it's a thrill that never gets old. The world is magic, right,
that the other side is here all the time, it
never gets old. So the fact that that someone is
not on that journey with you shouldn't matter. You're not
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doing this for them. You're not leading the path for them,
You're doing it for you. You're doing it so that
something that inspired you is getting responded to, Like you're
taking care of your curiosity and ignition in your own spirit,
in your own instinct, in your own intuition. You're responding
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to that, you're answering it, and that's enough, and you
can have the conversation with your partner that says, Okay,
this is my journey, it's not yours, and this journey
may take me to a different place than we've shared before,
but that doesn't mean that it has to separate our
journey together. It's just a different part of my journey.
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I'm still available to you, I'm still connect to you,
and we'll just figure out new ways to connect. We
do that all the time, right whether it's a new
restaurant that you love and I hate, Like, we can
negotiate this, So stay connected and make it safe, your
expansion safe for them. Now, that doesn't mean that you
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can't leave the relationship. Of course, you always have that choice,
but your spiritual expansion doesn't have to be the foundation
for it, because a spiritual experience is really it's not
that you can't share it of course you can share it,
but it's not required that the other person be on
the exact same path. Because how your spiritual expansion, your
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spiritual beliefs get expressed in the daily world, is through
very mundane actions. Operating with grace, operating with forgiveness, operating
with kindness, operating with a trust that your angels are
with you. Like that all gets expressed through driving the
kids to school, like in the most mundane ways. And
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it's extraordinary, right, It's what makes the mundane sacred, and
that's available to you at any moment, whether someone affirms
your journey or not. So I just offer that as consideration, um.
And the other thing that just underlining here I've already
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said it, but you should never compare your spiritual journey
to anyone because there's always going to be someone who's
further there on the journey than you are. And that's okay, right,
It doesn't matter you're behind someone and you're ahead of
someone all the time. That's just life. That's not just
for spiritual journeys, but that's just life. And you know, um,
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as my friend Katie always says, you know, compared and despair, right,
the comparison keeps you separate from someone, the shame I'm
not as far as you, or the arrogance I'm better
than you. But it's it's it's separate. It's you from
someone instead of creating the ability to connect with them.
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And the most sacred thing you can do and in
this human journey is to connect deeply with each other. Right,
the spiritual path should be about connection and support and caring.
Um like, that's that's one of the that's the golden rule,
right that the golden rule exists in religions all over
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the world, and so like how compassionate can be, how
available I to connect with others is a foundation of many, many,
many spiritual practices all over the globe. So when you compare,
you separate. Whether you're doing it up or down the
food chain, it's still a separation, and it's not supportive
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for your own spiritual foundation, for your ability to feel
whole and sacred and supported in you're a school journey.
So I just invite like those foundational elements into the
conversation of how you partner with someone who isn't on
a spiritual expansion right now, and you never know when
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it might come in, Just like when we're talked to
the first one you're your inner tribe is like, don't
do that, You're mad. In case this happens in your
personal relationship, also understand that keeping that door, keeping it alive,
keeping it, keeping communication authentic, and you know, taking it
slow and spacious for each of you to have your
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own experience. And then as you look to others who
are either ahead of you in the journey or behind you,
not as much up and down. It's not The spiritual
journey isn't hierarchical. It's just an expansive one. So think
about that. All right, We'll be right back with more
ways to think about how you're embracing or embarrassed about
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your spiritual gifts. Welcome back. So in this wrap up,
when I think about, you know, expanding into this spiritual
domain and thinking about the world in energetic ways, and
thinking about guides and angels and crystals and all this
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vibrational information that's available and support that's available to us,
like embracing that it's one thing to carry crystals in
your pocket, it's another thing to hand them out to everyone,
you know, like I know some of our listeners do,
which I love, um, but you know in this way
that how you hold this your this spaciousness and expansion
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yourself will affect how other people respond to you. So
if you're embarrassed, people will pick up on that frequency,
They will pick up on that vibration. So I just
want to remind you of that. And I think back
to the day's when I was an employee of Proctor
and Gamble and very few, very very few people knew
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that I did readings. But the people that knew, they
all knew each other, right because they you know, frequency, right,
they're attracted to each other, so they find each other,
they hang out, and then they passed my name around
right in that way. Um, And at one point somebody
I was I was with a group maybe it was
a team that was leading a whole group through a
training session, and the final day we were doing this
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big presentation out you know, the facilitating a presentation with
the people who came through the workshop and really presenting
something out to leadership, and I was kind of looking
around the room for one specific leader who should have
been there, like who had people in who went through
the workshop with us? And I pulled over one of
the participants, I said, hey, you know and there was
your leaders out here for the morning session. You know,
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is she coming? And she's like, no, she's not coming.
And I said, okay, I'm sure there was a conflict.
She's like, no, she she won't come when you're there.
I'm like, excuse me. It's like, well, it's because I
don't I don't mean to to hurt your feelings, but
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she doesn't want to be in the same room with you. Like, WHOA,
that's super intense. Like I didn't say that part out loud,
but in my mind, I'm like, wow, that's super intense.
That is obviously completely her choice. It's probably the best,
absolute best choice for her that's available to her if
she's nervous. But I'm thinking, wow, there is no way
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that I am you know, like, first of all, I'm
not running the session. I'm I facilitated during the week.
I'm doing you know, introducing people along the way. But
it's it's not like I am all powerful in control,
Like I don't know what she thought in my head
was going to spin around like I don't even know
what was going to happen. But she literally took herself
out of uh A present A leadership presentation because I
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was in a room of probably I don't know, maybe
fifty sixty people. It was unbelievable to me. And obviously
this is many years ago, and I still remember, like,
that's a lot of fear. That is just a whole
lot of fear. And it really made me sad because
she was not in the inner circle. She obviously knows
people who I know that you know, knew about my
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readings in some way. I don't know how much this
participant knew because we never discussed it would have been
I wasn't interested in having that conversation in the moment.
This is my first like, okay, people know about this.
But my point is like I didn't know enough to
be embarrassed because I didn't think anyone knew about this.
But I didn't also hide it. I wasn't thrown out
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in people's faces, but I didn't hide it that you know,
I do these these readings, and but it got out
and people will edit themselves out, which is completely fine,
like you have to let people make their choices. Now.
On the other hand, I did have someone wants called
me and say, hey, I was wondering if you are
coming to this party that they were holding because I
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had an r swope. I didn't know it was actually
an rswoope thing. And I don't think it was like
I don't think the invite or the email that went
out had the r swope. And I said, yeah, I
was funny, I'm coming. I'm sorry. I didn't realize I
was supposed to respond, and she said, oh, not everyone
has to respond. But there's someone on the list who
was invited, but she didn't want to come. If you
were coming, Oh my god. I'm telling these like within
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a few minutes of each other, but they were years apart. Okay,
so like it's not like it's it happens all the time,
but it did. It does happen, and you know, when
this happens, it's okay. And you can tell people you
you know, whatever you would want to tell them. I could.
I did say I'm not bringing my cards, I'm not
doing readings. I promised not to, you know, look at
her side eye or something, you know what. Whatever. I
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don't know what you thought I was gonna do, but um,
you know, and I won't speak to her if if
you want to invite her to this event, like it's
it's not a problem. I will make myself scarce if,
of course you never showed right, because people have their experiences.
But how you hold it also, like I don't hold
that is I'm doing something wrong or people hate me.
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If they hate me, they pretty much have to tell
me otherwise. I just assume people are more consumed about
what's going on in their life than me, and you
know they're making their choices for them, Like that's sort
of my default. I encourage you to raise that because
it saves me a lot of energy along the way.
But this whole thing about what people will think, you
can't do anything about that. The only thing you can
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do is double down on what you know to be true.
I know I would never do a job by reading
for for really anyone, right, That's just not how it works.
I know that I would never force what I believe
on someone like this is what I know, And that
doesn't mean people are going to be comfortable. But it's
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not your job to make people comfortable. It's what your
job is to know where your boundaries are, where your
limits and are, and how you successfully navigate your spiritual expansion.
So that's why I want to say about that. The
only other thing I'd say, is when your gifts are new,
when you're expanding into territory Like mm hmm. This doesn't
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always happen, but I'm I'm it's happening. I can access it.
More like, whether it's giving messages or having insights or
whatever it is. If it's a new gift, don't be
um out in the world with it in a way
that keeps you at risk, or puts you at risk
or could energetically exhaust you. So this is what I'm
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talking about, not like like someone's gonna um I don't know,
insult you or something, but more like energetically you don't
want to exhaust yourself. So do it in a way
that is very exigent, very efficient, and do practice your
your new gifts diligently. Like it's not unusual to have
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to do healing sessions before you understand how your new
healing technique works. It's not unusual too, when when you've
studied mediumship with someone to do a year long apprentice practice. Right,
That's how much we we cultivate and and create confidence
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and dependable results that we have confidence in in our ability.
It's not that the other side that we're testing, right,
it's us like I can do in my trusting um,
So that would just be mindful of tender new gifts,
to take care of them diligently with devotion and care,
and create your own connection, because when you go out
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into the world, people don't understand how to be careful
with these kind of gifts. And some people will be
and they will support you and celebrate you, and some
people really will not be. And you don't want to
set yourself up in that way, So please be gentle,
be conscientious, be devoted to your own practices, and know
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that how other people respond is completely up to them.
Take care of your own house first. So that's what
I wanted to talk about today. I'm sure my alf
alway in and have many insightful things and incredible stories
to share. Hopefully probably not, because no one would uninvite
Julie to a party. So that's what I know, all right,
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So thank you for listening. I hope this help, and
remember our school is hard without the other side and
tending to your gifts. Thanks everybody, Thank you for joining us. Everyone,
and a special thanks to our producer Joey pat and
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Now you all need to know that we are obsessed
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once you learn to navigate the energetic, or to some
the invisible world, life is going to be more fun
and much more serene. Heck, yes it can, because let's
be honest, brand Earth School is hard. In fact, you
taught me that. Let's crush Earth School together. Hello and
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welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side. Brenda Rose
filling in for both me and myself. The partnership is
on hold while one partner is downed. So I'm stepping
in to share with you something that has come up
over and over in our d m s. The good
(01:05):
news is alf it's Julie is getting better and better.
But part of the thing that she's dealing with is
she lost her voice, so it makes podcasting effort so challenging.
So but she's gonna beam things out energetically, so you
can download that episode any time, okay, So in the meantime,
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I'm going to do the talking part of what we
had planned to discuss and share with you today, which
is something you all inspired because you've been sharing stories
with us about how your psychic gifts are showing up
and expanding and sometimes really intentional and longed for ways,
sometimes surprising and disarming ways, and sometimes just straight out
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flat no, I do not want this kind of ways.
So um, what we're going to talk about is not
as much the skills, because obviously they're showing up in
all kinds of ways, whether it's in dreams or meditations,
or sometimes animals are showing up as messengers, sometimes humans
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are showing up as messengers all kinds of ways. The
other side is breaking through in your conscious active earthly
life too. Remind you that one, we're not alone, and
you're not operating in this earth world alone, like you
have all kinds of help from loved ones on the
other sides, to guides on the other side, all kinds
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of support. Right. So um, but we don't really know
because people don't really talk about how to talk about
it what you're experiencing unless you're in really safe company,
like if you're in the other side guide's tribe, you
know that you can share your all kinds of conversations
with people and you will be affirmed. And I have
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that happened to me? Or what's that like? Tell me
more like this. It's an open community for sure about
how things get shared. But when you're outside that frequency
of safety and exploration in knowing that the other side
is real, then what how? What? What do I do?
What do I do when I'm talking to someone and
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like something shows up? Do I share it? Do I
not share it? And how can I do this with grace?
And how can I do it without creating fear or
ridicule or ostracization, Like there's all kinds of things that
can happen if we don't handle this right. So this
is what we're gonna talk about today. I'm going to
do my best to have an engaging conversation with myself
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while I continue to miss uh, my companion, my co host,
my beloved health. So um one of one of the ways.
So obviously we title this. Are you embracing or embarrassed
about your gifts as they're unfolding? I would say for
people who have been on this path for a while,
like most people just over it there like I know
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how to filter. I can I complain next with people
if I have to, and I just move on when
they start bad mouthing, you know, woo people. That's usually
the term that are you all woo woo you know
or something, um, And they don't say it in a
good way. And then other people do say it in
a good way, and that's always fun. But so what
happens is that usually we start sharing our experiences, our
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expansion some would consider our blessings. We start sharing those
usually with our inner circle, right, That's where we start,
That's where we live. So we share it with our
inner circle. And specifically that's the most vulnerable place, right
because if you can voted off the island, Now what
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do I do? Oh my god, my own tribe, my
own family, could be a family of origin, could be
a family you know that you created. Um. They they're
not talking to like there, they won't talk to me
about this, or they don't want to listen to it,
or they're denying it, or they're telling me I'm doing
devil's work. This is a very popular phrase, that you
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are doing the devil's work. Um. And I've been told that.
I'm sure my elf has been told that many times,
and it literally it is how people view the world.
They're trying to make sense of something, so that's what
makes sense for them. Of course, you don't have to
take that on. This literally, literally does not have anything
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to do with you. When someone shares an opinion that
is so far from your frequency, it kind of just
bounces off you, like it's so shocking. You're like, what
was that? That's that's crazy talk like, and you just
have to accommodate. Like, I get that this is fearful
for you. You haven't been on my frequency ten years ago.
I may have been exactly where you are, and so
you just create spaciousness to accommodate the frequency that they
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are embodying. And I get what you just said makes
so much sense to you. Thank you for sharing that.
Now that you've shared that, I know that I'm not
going to share my different frequency. Our frequencies are so
different that they're not going to connect. So I'll just
dial on my back great comfort. But I don't have
to take that on as though it is true for me.
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I know it is true for you. I don't have
to fight what is so I can simply just dial
mine back and go, oh, thank you for sharing exactly
who you are. Right, that's how I would choose to
do that. As you know, my elf may take a
different stance because she moved through the life, through the
world in a very different way than I do. UM,
So we will have to chat with her about how
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that shows up. But what's so interesting to me is
oftentimes when someone shows up really strong, sort of you
know you are dangerous, you are bad. When they show
up that way, it's literally it can happen years later,
decades later, where those same people will show up asking
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for your help at a different point in time. And
it's so interesting to me when that happens, because when
it does, I'm really First of all, I'm like, oh,
I'm so glad I didn't burn this bridge when it
showed up, Right, I'm really glad I I tried to
stay neutral. I'm not saying I'm always loving light. I
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do try and you know, take the highest path available
available to me in the moment. But you know, I
didn't like torch them or didn't judge them as much
as I'm literally searching for a place to be where
we can co exist in the same space. Um. Even
though we don't have to be connected, like that's what
I'm trying to do. But by doing that, you actually
keep the road open, the energetic road open, so that
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they can return to you. Should they have a question,
should they have an inquiry, should they come to a
space in their journey where they're like, you know, I
used to trust this person. I know this person. Maybe
I could ask her this question you like you want to.
For me, I would want to stay open in this way,
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to hold that grace whenever it shows up, whether it's
lifetimes from now or ten months from now or ten
minutes from now, like you just never know. So that's
how I think of it. And it's really hard because
it can be hurtful when someone judges work that you
hold as sacred that you're like studying and curious about
and open hearted about. And you can just step it
down into a neutral space that says, Okay, that's where
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you are. That's fine. We're on different journeys. We don't
have to agree on everything, and we can disagree on
a lot of things and still be friends. Although I
will say many people when it comes to the spiritual
path will will judge you harshly and not feel safe
enough to be with you. So these are just things
to consider options, you know, instead of going directly at
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them and making them wrong, because that doesn't do any good, right,
I mean, you're just, all of a sudden, you jumped
in the mud with them, right, and by being low vibration, right,
it's like I don't I don't have to fight to
convince you of my belief system. I've come through this
step by step, right is I always say it's a
dial on, not a switch all of a sudden, and
you know, oh gosh, I understand how the world works. Now.
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It's like I've figured out to take a step. I
figured out again, right, And they're on their own path.
They're figuring out different things that I probably haven't even considered.
So like just it's it's a nice place to stay
in the space of grace. Um. Now, of course, this
is when I'm thinking, like it's your inner tribe, people
that you know, and it can take a minute to adjust,
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but holding that graciousness for later connection is really helpful.
But when this comes to your romantic partner, then it
gets a little different. And this is often the things
I hear about and the things I see about I
see in and many of my readings that I do.
So we're going to talk about that when we come
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back and welcome back, Okay, so let's dive into it.
When our spiritual expansion, our curiosity, our support system takes
us to moving from what we believed before into believing
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something else, sometimes the people closest to us don't move
with us. They don't understand, they don't have the curiosity.
They may be fearful, they may be judging, they may
simply be disinterested or expanding in different ways. And you
know that happens. But I like the analogy that relationships
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go through thick and thin times, Like you know, thick
when you're just intertwined with each other, completely aligned, just
firing an all symbol and all cylinders and like moving
you know, as one and and you know, totally connected.
And then those thin times where those connection places are
few and far between, and you're like, why did we
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even decide to do this? Like who are you? You know?
Said sometimes, but if pulsations, you know what pulses, it's
like a wave um, And so sometimes in those thin
times when you get into different sort of currents during
different frequencies, different areas of expansion or curiosity, and where
you get judged or you start judging, like, what's wrong
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with you? Why can't you support me in the way
that I need? Why can't you UM be curious about this?
How can you not care about this? This means so
much to me. These are all kinds of things that happen. Um,
just like someone saying, look, I'm worried about your soul.
I think you're doing dangerous things. They're responsible things. This
makes no sense to me, and it's not how we
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started this journey. So you're the one who's blowing things up.
These are things I hear about all the time. They
come up in readings, And so the important thing to
remember is that nobody's spiritual journey is the same no one.
We may share similar experiences, we may share very different
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experiences that point to the same spiritual truth or two
perennial wisdom or something like understanding of how the world
works that but everyone gets there their own way, right,
So like just knowing that and understanding like I chose
a path, or I chose to respond to an invitation
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from the universe from a friend who knows where it
came from. They said I'm going to study drill right,
I shared last week. So what or how does it
happen that we who have committed to each other, have
been together for years or sometimes decades, have decided to
see the world so differently. So instead of making it
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about the other person, like they're doing something wrong or
they're doing something to offend you or hurt you, even
though you may be offended and you may be hurt.
Those things may be true, but that doesn't mean that
what they're saying is intended to do that. Listen for
their fear, Listen for their love, because sometimes their fears
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I'm afraid for you, you don't have to be afraid
for me. I'm studying. I'm learning things to learn how
to keep myself safe and to keep myself aligned to
my personal principles right, or I wouldn't be continuing on
this journey like reassure that that person that they trust,
who at one point they trusted your judgment right, is
still here and you're you're just taking those principles of
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how you move through the world in a different direction.
You're exploring, and then look also at yourself that is
curious or at least willing to take a look and
take responsibility for how you may be judging them. How
did I make them less than for not taking that
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class with me or not being curious about my class.
Do they need to be curious about your class in
order for the class to be meaningful you meaningful to you?
I don't think so. I don't think that's how it works.
And yeah, it's really exciting when thanks started opening it up.
It's really amazing when you offer someone a message or
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reading or an insight from the spiritual world that you
get confirmed, it's really like it's life changing and says,
oh my gosh, that landed. Thank you so much for
that confirmation. That means everything to me. And I'm telling
you that for me personally, like that never gets old.
It never gets old. When I give someone a message
and they're like that happened, I'm like, that's awesome, thanks,
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thanks for sharing that, right, It's it's just exciting. It's
it's a thrill that never gets old. The world is magic, right,
that the other side is here all the time, it
never gets old. So the fact that that someone is
not on that journey with you shouldn't matter. You're not
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doing this for them. You're not leading the path for them,
You're doing it for you. You're doing it so that
something that inspired you is getting responded to, Like you're
taking care of your curiosity and ignition in your own spirit,
in your own instinct, in your own intuition. You're responding
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to that, you're answering it, and that's enough, and you
can have the conversation with your partner that says, Okay,
this is my journey, it's not yours, and this journey
may take me to a different place than we've shared before,
but that doesn't mean that it has to separate our
journey together. It's just a different part of my journey.
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I'm still available to you, I'm still connect to you,
and we'll just figure out new ways to connect. We
do that all the time, right whether it's a new
restaurant that you love and I hate, Like, we can
negotiate this, So stay connected and make it safe, your
expansion safe for them. Now, that doesn't mean that you
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can't leave the relationship. Of course, you always have that choice,
but your spiritual expansion doesn't have to be the foundation
for it, because a spiritual experience is really it's not
that you can't share it of course you can share it,
but it's not required that the other person be on
the exact same path. Because how your spiritual expansion, your
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spiritual beliefs get expressed in the daily world, is through
very mundane actions. Operating with grace, operating with forgiveness, operating
with kindness, operating with a trust that your angels are
with you. Like that all gets expressed through driving the
kids to school, like in the most mundane ways. And
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it's extraordinary, right, It's what makes the mundane sacred, and
that's available to you at any moment, whether someone affirms
your journey or not. So I just offer that as consideration, um.
And the other thing that just underlining here I've already
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said it, but you should never compare your spiritual journey
to anyone because there's always going to be someone who's
further there on the journey than you are. And that's okay, right,
It doesn't matter you're behind someone and you're ahead of
someone all the time. That's just life. That's not just
for spiritual journeys, but that's just life. And you know, um,
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as my friend Katie always says, you know, compared and despair, right,
the comparison keeps you separate from someone, the shame I'm
not as far as you, or the arrogance I'm better
than you. But it's it's it's separate. It's you from
someone instead of creating the ability to connect with them.
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And the most sacred thing you can do and in
this human journey is to connect deeply with each other. Right,
the spiritual path should be about connection and support and caring.
Um like, that's that's one of the that's the golden rule,
right that the golden rule exists in religions all over
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the world, and so like how compassionate can be, how
available I to connect with others is a foundation of many, many,
many spiritual practices all over the globe. So when you compare,
you separate. Whether you're doing it up or down the
food chain, it's still a separation, and it's not supportive
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for your own spiritual foundation, for your ability to feel
whole and sacred and supported in you're a school journey.
So I just invite like those foundational elements into the
conversation of how you partner with someone who isn't on
a spiritual expansion right now, and you never know when
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it might come in, Just like when we're talked to
the first one you're your inner tribe is like, don't
do that, You're mad. In case this happens in your
personal relationship, also understand that keeping that door, keeping it alive,
keeping it, keeping communication authentic, and you know, taking it
slow and spacious for each of you to have your
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own experience. And then as you look to others who
are either ahead of you in the journey or behind you,
not as much up and down. It's not The spiritual
journey isn't hierarchical. It's just an expansive one. So think
about that. All right, We'll be right back with more
ways to think about how you're embracing or embarrassed about
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your spiritual gifts. Welcome back. So in this wrap up,
when I think about, you know, expanding into this spiritual
domain and thinking about the world in energetic ways, and
thinking about guides and angels and crystals and all this
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vibrational information that's available and support that's available to us,
like embracing that it's one thing to carry crystals in
your pocket, it's another thing to hand them out to everyone,
you know, like I know some of our listeners do,
which I love, um, but you know in this way
that how you hold this your this spaciousness and expansion
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yourself will affect how other people respond to you. So
if you're embarrassed, people will pick up on that frequency,
They will pick up on that vibration. So I just
want to remind you of that. And I think back
to the day's when I was an employee of Proctor
and Gamble and very few, very very few people knew
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that I did readings. But the people that knew, they
all knew each other, right because they you know, frequency, right,
they're attracted to each other, so they find each other,
they hang out, and then they passed my name around
right in that way. Um, And at one point somebody
I was I was with a group maybe it was
a team that was leading a whole group through a
training session, and the final day we were doing this
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big presentation out you know, the facilitating a presentation with
the people who came through the workshop and really presenting
something out to leadership, and I was kind of looking
around the room for one specific leader who should have
been there, like who had people in who went through
the workshop with us? And I pulled over one of
the participants, I said, hey, you know and there was
your leaders out here for the morning session. You know,
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is she coming? And she's like, no, she's not coming.
And I said, okay, I'm sure there was a conflict.
She's like, no, she she won't come when you're there.
I'm like, excuse me. It's like, well, it's because I
don't I don't mean to to hurt your feelings, but
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she doesn't want to be in the same room with you. Like, WHOA,
that's super intense. Like I didn't say that part out loud,
but in my mind, I'm like, wow, that's super intense.
That is obviously completely her choice. It's probably the best,
absolute best choice for her that's available to her if
she's nervous. But I'm thinking, wow, there is no way
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that I am you know, like, first of all, I'm
not running the session. I'm I facilitated during the week.
I'm doing you know, introducing people along the way. But
it's it's not like I am all powerful in control,
Like I don't know what she thought in my head
was going to spin around like I don't even know
what was going to happen. But she literally took herself
out of uh A present A leadership presentation because I
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was in a room of probably I don't know, maybe
fifty sixty people. It was unbelievable to me. And obviously
this is many years ago, and I still remember, like,
that's a lot of fear. That is just a whole
lot of fear. And it really made me sad because
she was not in the inner circle. She obviously knows
people who I know that you know, knew about my
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readings in some way. I don't know how much this
participant knew because we never discussed it would have been
I wasn't interested in having that conversation in the moment.
This is my first like, okay, people know about this.
But my point is like I didn't know enough to
be embarrassed because I didn't think anyone knew about this.
But I didn't also hide it. I wasn't thrown out
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in people's faces, but I didn't hide it that you know,
I do these these readings, and but it got out
and people will edit themselves out, which is completely fine,
like you have to let people make their choices. Now.
On the other hand, I did have someone wants called
me and say, hey, I was wondering if you are
coming to this party that they were holding because I
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had an r swope. I didn't know it was actually
an rswoope thing. And I don't think it was like
I don't think the invite or the email that went
out had the r swope. And I said, yeah, I
was funny, I'm coming. I'm sorry. I didn't realize I
was supposed to respond, and she said, oh, not everyone
has to respond. But there's someone on the list who
was invited, but she didn't want to come. If you
were coming, Oh my god. I'm telling these like within
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a few minutes of each other, but they were years apart. Okay,
so like it's not like it's it happens all the time,
but it did. It does happen, and you know, when
this happens, it's okay. And you can tell people you
you know, whatever you would want to tell them. I could.
I did say I'm not bringing my cards, I'm not
doing readings. I promised not to, you know, look at
her side eye or something, you know what. Whatever. I
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don't know what you thought I was gonna do, but um,
you know, and I won't speak to her if if
you want to invite her to this event, like it's
it's not a problem. I will make myself scarce if,
of course you never showed right, because people have their experiences.
But how you hold it also, like I don't hold
that is I'm doing something wrong or people hate me.
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If they hate me, they pretty much have to tell
me otherwise. I just assume people are more consumed about
what's going on in their life than me, and you
know they're making their choices for them, Like that's sort
of my default. I encourage you to raise that because
it saves me a lot of energy along the way.
But this whole thing about what people will think, you
can't do anything about that. The only thing you can
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do is double down on what you know to be true.
I know I would never do a job by reading
for for really anyone, right, That's just not how it works.
I know that I would never force what I believe
on someone like this is what I know, And that
doesn't mean people are going to be comfortable. But it's
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not your job to make people comfortable. It's what your
job is to know where your boundaries are, where your
limits and are, and how you successfully navigate your spiritual expansion.
So that's why I want to say about that. The
only other thing I'd say, is when your gifts are new,
when you're expanding into territory Like mm hmm. This doesn't
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always happen, but I'm I'm it's happening. I can access it.
More like, whether it's giving messages or having insights or
whatever it is. If it's a new gift, don't be
um out in the world with it in a way
that keeps you at risk, or puts you at risk
or could energetically exhaust you. So this is what I'm
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talking about, not like like someone's gonna um I don't know,
insult you or something, but more like energetically you don't
want to exhaust yourself. So do it in a way
that is very exigent, very efficient, and do practice your
your new gifts diligently. Like it's not unusual to have
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to do healing sessions before you understand how your new
healing technique works. It's not unusual too, when when you've
studied mediumship with someone to do a year long apprentice practice. Right,
That's how much we we cultivate and and create confidence
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and dependable results that we have confidence in in our ability.
It's not that the other side that we're testing, right,
it's us like I can do in my trusting um,
So that would just be mindful of tender new gifts,
to take care of them diligently with devotion and care,
and create your own connection, because when you go out
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into the world, people don't understand how to be careful
with these kind of gifts. And some people will be
and they will support you and celebrate you, and some
people really will not be. And you don't want to
set yourself up in that way, So please be gentle,
be conscientious, be devoted to your own practices, and know
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that how other people respond is completely up to them.
Take care of your own house first. So that's what
I wanted to talk about today. I'm sure my alf
alway in and have many insightful things and incredible stories
to share. Hopefully probably not, because no one would uninvite
Julie to a party. So that's what I know, all right,
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So thank you for listening. I hope this help, and
remember our school is hard without the other side and
tending to your gifts. Thanks everybody, Thank you for joining us. Everyone,
and a special thanks to our producer Joey pat and
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our executive producer Maya Cole Howard who guides us well
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