May 25, 2022 • 31 mins
If you practice meditation, you already know that sometimes the messages and visions you receive take time to present themselves tangibly. You feel it in your body, see it in your peripheral, but aren't quite sure where it's leading you yet.
Today Brenda gives us a glimpse into the magic that occurred when she traveled to the Esalen Institute, located in Big Sur, California, to teach tarot. From visions that occurred where the sacred waters merge, to feeling held and supported by the high vibe of the land and the Esselen Tribe ancestors who call it home—her experience reminds us all that there is great power in the land, water, and skies above you—every day, always.
Earth School is hard... without faith in the natural unfolding.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of My Heart Radio. Hi, y'all, I'm Julie. Hi there,
I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side. Now,
y'all need to know that we're obsessed with everything on
the other side. Yes, we are, because once you learn
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to navigate the energetic, or to some the invisible world,
life is going to be more fun and much more serene. Heck,
yes it can, because, let's be honest, brand earth school
is hard. In fact, you taught me that let's crush
Earth School together. Well, hello, my witchy pooh, are you
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paddling your own canoe? I am trying my very best,
my elf, but I think I think our listeners are
going to need some contexts. I'll be like, what the
hell are you talking about? A sou I well, it's
a little bit. Also, by the way, I think the
theme of this of your story. I have this artwork
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and and the room that says love many, trust few,
always paddle your own canoe. So I just I love it.
I read it every day and I'm like, yeah, that's right,
I can love. I don't have to trust everybody. And
I love my fucking canoe. So and you are definitely
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one who paddles her own canoe. There's no question about that.
I am trying. You definitely paddle your own. So I
think your your latest adventure down the Witchie Pooh rapids
your canoe, is that you were recently. You know, I
got a theme at all, right, this is what I do. Um,
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whatever I can do to get a giggle. Um. You
recently taught at I'm pronouncing it, that's you are. And
I did because I normally don't. You did perfectly. Yes,
I taught for the first time in person in three
years a half years. Yeah, and that crazy. It was
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so fun. Oh my gosh, the tat Tarrow at the
institute and it was magical usually exciting. Where is Lyn.
It's in Big sur, California, so it's three hours south.
I've been there. Defend a second. What the fun, Well,
I've been to Big sir. Okay, um, wow, okay, amazingly.
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That's so cool. So just so all of our our
listeners know, you guys know, Brenn and I talk a
lot and swap stories like life. And she told me
this story about her experience prior to going to Lyn
and what happened when she was there. I'm like, oh, brand, please,
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please please tell our audience this story. Please, oh please,
because the whole time you were telling me, I was
sitting there with my eyes closed and my heart was
exploding with joy. I felt so much peace and calm.
So if you guys are driving, but wait and listen
to it when you're sitting down and the story, because
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it's do not close DRIZ when you're driving, um, please,
unless you're the passenger seat, and then close it all
day long like Susann does when I drive. Um, I
just something she wants to see the road. She's just like, no,
I can't, I can't. I'm gonna act like I'm not here. Um,
because it is to me such a a beautiful story
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about how magical the world still is. And I say
still is because I think that you know we've forgotten that,
you know it has. We're in a we're in a
we're in a tough as time and people are at
their wits ends. We have wars going on overseas, two democracies,
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we have evil motherfucker's, we have them here on our
own country. And um and and COVID was hard on us.
And this story like it all melted away, and so
not to create too big of an expectation, I just did,
You're welcome, but it's amazing. So if you don't the
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World Peace, you can do that or World Peace world piece.
I whip up some World Peace also very popular. Yet
so I love this so much and if you want
to start rock and roll sister, so um, I was,
as you know, I was very excited to be asked
to teach at Lyn from someone who has taken my
troll class and said, Hey, they haven't had Trow here
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in quite a while, so I think it's time, and
I think you would be a great teacher. And so
I met with the you know people on staff and decided, yes,
this was something we're going to try and do. And
you know, I'm not gonna lie. I was nervous because
I had I had never taught to row over five
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days and it has been so long since I taught
in person, and like, I have to work on my
my pacing in person because that you know, the energy
can get really intense. And I knew that I had
heard stories of the sacred land of Eslin where they
have um, they have springs, hot springs, they have fresh
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water streams and they have the salt water from the ocean.
So it's this extraordinary place where all three forms of
water converge on on these sacred lands. Um. So I
was excited and held this place in my heart because Sianna,
my dear friend, has taught there many years, just like
you have to go. You have to promise me you'll go.
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And I was like, okay, sure, I'm observed. You know
you have to promise you anna everything, because she just insisted. Yes.
I have a question about about the waters because we've
talked a lot about the work that Dr Amoto did
with water, right, Um, like the energy and the energy
you put into it. Right, So when you experience these
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three Um okay, you said salt, fresh and hot water
springs spraying, yeah, hot water, would they converge? Did you?
Was your experience and just the water or touching it,
whatever you did or being around it? Was it different?
Like did you feel anything different than what you felt
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before around water? Um, that's a complicated question. I'm going
to table that respectfully, okay, um okay, but um yeah,
I'll try and weave that in as I go. But
it's okay, so big, it's just a big question. Um,
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so once I think the answer is yes, and I
just don't know how yet, So you'll, like, maybe give
us a little bit of that as you move along,
so I will stop asking continue and maybe actually this
is a good time to take a break because we
haven't taken one one yet. All Right, we're gonna break.
Folks will meet right back. Al right, everybody, we are
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back from our sl and break. Uh. And we haven't
gotten very far other than Brenda was exposed to water,
So why don't we continue get to the juicy stuff.
I was just gonna say so as I preparing for
this class of course, meditation is a big part of it.
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And what shifted in my meditations is that I was
aware of extra spirits what I'm going to call extra
spirits in my meditation, which isn't dramatically unusual. But I
didn't recognize them. I didn't. They weren't like in the
category of these are future clients that you'll be reading for.
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I was just like, I acknowledge you. I don't know
who you are, but I acknowledge you what I distance.
They were at a distance. They were outside my three
inner rings, and they were in a forest, that's what
that's what I saw. But you know, I grew up
in Wisconsin around forest all the time, so that nothing
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about that made me uncomfortable or was unfamiliar. I was
just like, it wasn't an elf. You live in trees,
and there were no there were no elve present. They
were actually much taller than elves. But um, so I
didn't notice that. So as I'm meditating, you know, I'm
just noting them that they're showing up and that's new.
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And I'm very patient, you know, I let the spirits
come to me, and so I'm focused on the teachings.
And so we provide to San Francisco and then spend
a night in San France, just go then drive up
the next day. And as we're driving to Sland, so
it's me and my three assistants who are I'm like,
we have the A team. It's so exciting. And so
we're driving up and you can just feel the energy build.
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You're driving along. There's a couple of ways to get there,
but we were driving along the ocean and you can
just feel the energy build, and you can feel the
energy build and you're like, like we'd pull over to
take pictures and to see and the Justin is the
man who invited me to teach there, who's on the
board there, and he is just giggling at us, so
excited to be seeing the ocean and to feel the
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high vibe. And he's like, just wait, just wait, he
kept saying, just wait, just wait. I'm like, I'm not
waiting at all. I'm so happy. What are you talking
about it? This is just such a And then we
get on the Sland property eventually and I'm like, oh,
for the love of God, my head like explodes, Like
the vibe is so incredible, such an incredible blessing. You
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can just feel the energy move in your cells and
move through you, and it's it's such a blessing, it's
such a healing, it's extraordinary. So I don't know if
that helps like dimensionalize what it's like to be in
this place, on these sacred lands. And so the Sland
tribe used these sacred lands for, you know, to live,
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to do ceremony to you know, um, to honor these
these water sources and and the beauty and the power
and the forest and the land in the air, and
that all of it is just so magically charged. And
so I start teaching class and classes extraordinary UM. And
you know people come, you know, people come to to
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Row class for all kinds of reasons, some which have
no linked to Row at all. You know, they're just like, oh,
they just needed to be there for whatever reason. And
of course everyone falls in love with to Row because
they're having their own experience and get to know thar
Row and weaving through UM. And what happened is that
when I was doing my I'm gonna back up from it.
When I was doing my meditations, what came to me
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is that I needed to offer spirit messages while I
was on compuss, which would be easy to do for class.
So I would just say, hey, let's meet after dinner
one night and we'll just do this. But I didn't.
It was my first time teaching there, so I didn't
know if that was like allowed or if they were
you know, there's rooms were used for other things, all
kinds of administrative things. I wanted to be respectful, obviously,
and so not you, by the way. That's the other thing.
It's so not you, you are not the one. But
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they showed me in meditation, hey you need spirit messages.
But I listened, right, I listened, and so I asked,
Justin Hayes, is cool to do? You know? Can I
can I offer this? She's like, absolutely, do this, But
we didn't get connected with the person who would okay
and even like this during the week, and so we
didn't get connected, and I was like, okay, let it go.
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Like I tried, like I want my guides to know
I tried and excited. That's important for me to get
credit for. Right, So so I'm working well with others,
but it just didn't happen. And then it just happened.
I literally ran into this director of education in the
cafeteria and she's like, hey, that thing you were going
to offer, let's do that on Thursday. Like obviously the
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only answer is yes, of course, right because right So
so now I'm like, okay, it's Tuesday. I've got a
lot of classes teaching and I have to do a
lot of meditation to get ready for Thursday. And Justin's like, hey,
remember I told you I wanted to take you to
this show you this special place on campus. Like yeah,
he goes, you want to do that at the Today's
break And I said, well, you know sure, I just
I have to make sure you get into meditation because
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we can meditate there. Now I'm all in. I'm like, great,
you got I'm totally as long as I can meditate
wherever we're going. I'm totally excited. Right, So we go meditate.
Andre we go to this place and he's already's taking me.
Is this extraordinary grove with a stream, and I am
so overwhelmed by the joy in this forest, by the
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energy that's bubbling from the earth, and in playing with
the water and the freshness of the scent of the
trees in the air. Everything is so ignited and alive.
And I am jumping up and down like a six
year old, Like I'm like a three year old, like
I'm so excited. I'm like, I have to put my
hands in that water. I have to put my hands
in that water. He's like, okay, you go put your
hands in the water, and of course, take off my backpack.
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I run down to this dream and I put my
hands in it, and in that moment, everything it was
like a portal. And it shows me because because they
had had forests, they had a forest fire there right.
This is in California, right where they've had so many fires,
and showed me in an instant how the fires actually
served the land and created balance and create an environment
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that could be restored in proper balance, and the destruction
leads to renewal, like it was this cycle and it
was all connected, and it was created possibilities, not just destruction.
And how the trees held the earth you know that
was scorched, and how it worked in tandem, and it
was this extraordinary weaving together of the elements telling me
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this story. It was. It was be such a blessing,
so be itful and such a blessing. And then we
did this meditation and I was so grateful to have
this experience. And then I went back to my room
um to to do another meditation before class. And when
I fell into meditation, those figures in the outer circles
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and of of my meditation stepped forward and said to
me quite very directly, because you connected with us, because
you put your hands in the water, you can now
do the spear messages. Because I was like, oh my god, yes,
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you're the Slin tribe. Like I could. I could see
it clearly. And they never spoke to me before. They
had never approached me, They never spoke to me. They
kept their distance, and so it was they were checking out,
you were checking me out like I had to prove,
you know, my metal as as it as it goes,
so um. So I suddenly, you know, I had been
a little nervous about the spirit message because as we
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I'm not the best medium in the world. But I
I didn't um, you know, and I hadn't done this
in like three years since I've done a spirit messages,
And and suddenly all that fear just went away, and
I knew they were going to hold me, and I
knew they were going to support me and and welcome me,
and it just that And I didn't know. I mean,
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obviously it would be a little bit nervous, but I
was all that anxiety just melted and it was, um.
It was such a blessing. And the spirit messages was
hysterical like these, the funniest spirits came through. People were
laughing so hard it was it was truly like I
was channeling a stand up stand up spirits. They were
so funny. Didn't you have a young child that showed
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up like a younger child that showed up, the child
who um, who showed up and spoke to his older
sister and and you know, they had their exchange and
who talked about their mom and meaningfulness and tenderness. And
then on his way out, he's like, hey, my my
younger brother doesn't talk about me. She doesn't know, he
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doesn't tie. He didn't like talking about you. He shies
away from it. And and his kid says in the
in the snarkiest, the most hysterical ways, like it doesn't matter,
I'm gonna I hunt him anyhow. So that was just
one example, but they were like, there were so many
funny funnies. I'm sorry that that is my kind of kid,
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because you know that is my all you people, I'm
gonna be haunting your asses, like every look out, your
clock is going to just flash on one, two, three,
four forever, and well we will know it's you and
you can reset it as many times as you were
keep going back. That's a good one too. So um,
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And it was funny because after spare messages we had
there was a bonfire and it was a guitar music
and singing. It was so fund and two women who
came to the Spear mess and she said, thank you
so much for this evening. We wanted to come but
we didn't want to come because we didn't want to
be sad. But it wasn't sad at all. It was
funny and they actually said, you know, it was filled
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with so much compassion and empathy. It was light like
we didn't think it would be anything like that. So anyhow,
so I'm glad that now have you. I have to
ask you about your experience with this and with that moment,
because you've done lots of spirit messages for all sizes
of groups over the years. Had you experienced one quite
like this before. Well, they're all different, I mean all
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of them different, I would say, I have to say,
because it was just so clear how they ushered me in.
It was interesting because someone was was someone was planning
to come walk me because it was like I have
almost a half my walk to to the to the
place where the event was because after being de meditation,
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you know, it's nice to have a guide. But something
happened in that person wasn't able to do it. I didn't.
I didn't even know she was planning to do it,
but um, it was perfect that I didn't, because I
felt like they walked me to the event, like I
was so supported and when I got there, I almost
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forgot to do an introduction because they were just so ready.
Everything was so ready to go, Everything was so super charged,
and it was it was It just flowed the whole thing.
It was almost effortless, which usually like I have to
really raise my spirit a lot, like raise my frequency
a lot to make it go. But it was just yeah,
it was really it was great. But maybe it was
different like it was for you. It was a very
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not dressed I mean, listen, I don't I don't want
to be a drama queen with this. But there are
differences because I've heard you talk about spirit messages before
and the ones I haven't attended. Sometimes there's a lot
of work, like especially sometimes like people don't want message,
isn't that's the hardest part. And there was one woman
who's like, why is he why is he hunting? Like
why why is he talking to me? I don't want
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to talk to me anymore. I'm like, well, maybe if
you listen to him, you won't. We will let you know,
he'll let you go. So even when she gave oh
my god, he was mad that her dad was talking
to her, I'm like, like, you gotta you have to
receive his message, Like that's part of the thing. You
have to be able to receive it in order for
him to stop when she's like he's waking me up
at night and like you're still not listening to him
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like hilarious messages. But yeah, but it was good. But
I do think the high vibe of the land is
just extraordinary. So with that, we should take another break. Yes,
I oh gosh, that was Gregg got a little terry.
I can't lie. It's so beautiful when you were talking
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about to put your hands in the stream. Yeah, good,
Wait are we still? Are we in a break or not?
Because I'm just telling how much I still love this story.
Going on a break right now? We're gonna break now,
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all right, we are back from I think I rambled
before the last break. But what as um and in
the theme of water is kind of funny. Actually I
didn't think about that till now. Uh, you awesome water
story in addition to the awesome one you just had
so hit his sister the great story. So when truffened
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is Um one night after dinner and I was kind
of walking around because my students were so terrific. They
were doing terror readings right after dinner for some people
just on campus, some their classmates, like and just walking
around and just talking to them and carrying around my
small bottle of water that has it's it's from a
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couple of years ago, but it's a white bottle with
love written all over it. So cool, and and it
just disappeared. And I just assumed, oh, I left in
the cafeteria. I'll find it the next morning. Not a
big deal. So I get up the next morning, wander
on down to the cafeteria. Hey didn't want to turn
a small bottle. No, you can check at the front desk.
And so we'll go to the front desk. No, check
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it out the class Hey didn't want see this. No.
I was like, Okay, well someone's gonna be really happy
or somewhere it'll show up, like you because they have
a new water bottle or somewhere. Just gonna show up somewhere,
right and so so after so that, so it was
missing for like two days. And then after the spirit messages,
I had put my backpack down in the corner and
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put my mic on, and so when I went back
to the corner to take off my mic, next my
backpack is my small water bottle. It's just sitting there,
and I'm like, justin because he had his guitar there,
and he had his iPad because her phone, he hello,
what's entry man? He had his phone because he was
playing music. But where I arrived and as he was
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picking up his things, He's like, I have I've been
using that corner all week to put my stuff and
I've not seen that water bottle, Like, oh, where did
that come from. I'm like, I don't know. It's just gone.
It was just gone and now it's back. So we're
all very happy. So I will sening about these spirits.
They had a very once they engaged with me. They
had a sort of playful kind of trickster energy to them,
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um and you know, in a giggling way, and so
I felt like this was kind of their signature move,
just leaving me some love. Literally, Oh I love that.
I just think it's amazing, especially like to me, being
able to do that to somebody like you is awesome
because because you're the one is you're the one who
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likes to use the cloak of invisibility on some people.
So I love that story because I'm like, yes, thank you, tribe.
Eslin tribe for actually getting her back for me, I
appreciate that hav ingcouraged bad behavior. But that's fun though,
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like just and for you, because I don't hear you
talk about things that disappear and reappear. I don't you do?
You really? Like I rarely I've heard you talk about
some things. I hear more about how your lightbulbs blow out,
your batteries will run dead, like in seconds. And I've
also been at your house when I've been to and
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heard the kitchen cabinets banging, like I hear that stuff. Yeah,
so those are the things that I'm used to, But
things like disappearing and reappearing not what I hear from you.
So I love that so much. I do. I mean,
it does happen, but I actually rarely worry about it
because they I don't really lose things that they go
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into another I like to think of it as does
they go into another dimension, but they usually come back. Yeah,
I can't the whole water bottle. That's kind of big. Oh,
that's really good. You've surprise some things that come back. Yeah,
you know, I gotta I gotta be honest. I took
my god daughter to Disney World a couple of days ago,
and I could have sworn that happen to my jeep,
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but I'm not sure. But it's sure the ship felt
like it because I wanted out of there so bad.
I can believe that. I can believe that, baby do
what big spring break? Right? Oh, for the love of
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Holy I just needed to get out of that um
and and but I did. I did get over like
twenty steps, so I did. There was a bright side.
Every light has a shadow, every shadow has a light. Yeah,
every step I'll probably cost me a dollar by the way,
from expensive. Everything is there, but still the place of
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my god daughter. So what. I loved everything, every single
thing about your experience there, um and would really like
to go. Actually, but one thing that I thought was
amazing teaching heads in the fall you can come. Okay,
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I'm there. I would love that. I would I would
like that. It would be great, excellent, I'm I'm there.
I literally in September. Hell yes, um. What I love
for our listeners and and of course I'm pedestrian myself,
so I liked it for myself. Is is it's it's funny,
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it's um, it's when you said you saw them. I
think about four to six weeks before you went in
a meditation and that outer third ring. I didn't know
you had rings, by the way, but um, of course
you do. You have everything orbits around you. So why
the hell um so so out in your third ring?
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Um that you didn't force it like you weren't all
obsessive about I need to find out who that is,
blue Star, go check it out. Da da da dada.
You were just like, okay, I'll know what I need
to know. And I think that's such an amazing thing
for people, everybody who has any type of practice like this,
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to know that that's okay, Like it doesn't have to
happen right then things can develop, whether it's events need
to happen, time needs to go by, whatever it is
for you to actually understand who they were and what
they were. Thank you for putting that out. I do
think even when you know, we get a lot of
d ms like this happened in my house. Who do
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you think it is? Why do you care? Like you know,
ask them these are some things I think about. But
because they were in in you know, on the outer
edge of my meditations, I wasn't overly concerned. There's a
lot of things in the outer you know world that
you become more sensitive too when you're in meditation. And
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so that's sort of you know, I'm not going to
concern myself or distract myself in meditation from that. And
I know that if it's something that I need to know,
my kids will present it to me and make the connection.
And um, yeah, So I just happened to be lucky
enough to have this extraordinary guide in the form of
Justin who took me to make this connection with the
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land in this sacred place that I don't know what
would have happened without it, Like I would it would
have been a lot more work, it would have been
a lot right. And and just to be patient and
then listen when when you when you don't know, listen
and say is this something for me? Is this something
that needs my attention right now? And you can feel
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it and you don't go on whether it comes close
or it goes away, it removes away, But I feel like,
is this like you feel it in your heart. Some
people will feel it in their heart space, some people
will feel it in the in the third chakra. Some
people might even notice in the sixth chakra. But usually
the fourth or third chakolras will will guide you in
a very tangible, embodied kind of way. So that's why
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I pay attention to I love that, and I just
think that's such a powerful message because you know, we
have so many of our listeners who we love that
reach out to us together separately. You know, I get
the ghost people, you get the calm piece and love
folks um and uh, you guys identify yourself by the
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way on who you talk to um and and I
think that that allowing right, like to not be in
a hurry and to be in a rush and be like, oh, well,
let's see what happens next kind of thing versus like
who is that? What is that? Who? I? You know,
like that twenty questions kind of thing, Like you're a detective,
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you're not a detective in this work. Well, and there's
just a natural unfolding, like an energetic evolution that happens,
and sometimes it takes a long time. I mean I
saw Blue Star for decades and didn't I didn't know.
I didn't know until I knew until it was time
to actually meet her, Like it's you know, and it
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wasn't like I felt bad about those decades, right, I
was a kid. I didn't know. It's like it was
perfect when it happened. And so there's there's an allowing
that happens. Yeah. I had to meet Jacob when he
saved my life. I mean, you know, just and his
big old manly voice. Yeah, somebody that story what it's
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on the wheel right, yeah, hands on the wheel. Um.
Uh I just told somebody that story. Um, not long ago,
and uh I was talking about his big, booming manly voice.
It was good. Um. So, Brenda, I love the story
so much, and I what I love more than anything
is that you actually got to have that experience and
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sharing it with us and also sharing it with your
stud that we're there, and I just I it just
it made me feel very much that magic is still
possible for us in times when it doesn't feel that way.
And so thank you personally for that. And I would
like to think I'm going to speak on behalf of
every single one of our listeners. They thank you as well.
Thank you for listening, everybody, and remember their school is
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Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of My Heart Radio. Hi, y'all, I'm Julie. Hi there,
I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side. Now,
y'all need to know that we're obsessed with everything on
the other side. Yes, we are, because once you learn
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to navigate the energetic, or to some the invisible world,
life is going to be more fun and much more serene. Heck,
yes it can, because, let's be honest, brand earth school
is hard. In fact, you taught me that let's crush
Earth School together. Well, hello, my witchy pooh, are you
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paddling your own canoe? I am trying my very best,
my elf, but I think I think our listeners are
going to need some contexts. I'll be like, what the
hell are you talking about? A sou I well, it's
a little bit. Also, by the way, I think the
theme of this of your story. I have this artwork
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and and the room that says love many, trust few,
always paddle your own canoe. So I just I love it.
I read it every day and I'm like, yeah, that's right,
I can love. I don't have to trust everybody. And
I love my fucking canoe. So and you are definitely
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one who paddles her own canoe. There's no question about that.
I am trying. You definitely paddle your own. So I
think your your latest adventure down the Witchie Pooh rapids
your canoe, is that you were recently. You know, I
got a theme at all, right, this is what I do. Um,
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whatever I can do to get a giggle. Um. You
recently taught at I'm pronouncing it, that's you are. And
I did because I normally don't. You did perfectly. Yes,
I taught for the first time in person in three
years a half years. Yeah, and that crazy. It was
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so fun. Oh my gosh, the tat Tarrow at the
institute and it was magical usually exciting. Where is Lyn.
It's in Big sur, California, so it's three hours south.
I've been there. Defend a second. What the fun, Well,
I've been to Big sir. Okay, um, wow, okay, amazingly.
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That's so cool. So just so all of our our
listeners know, you guys know, Brenn and I talk a
lot and swap stories like life. And she told me
this story about her experience prior to going to Lyn
and what happened when she was there. I'm like, oh, brand, please,
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please please tell our audience this story. Please, oh please,
because the whole time you were telling me, I was
sitting there with my eyes closed and my heart was
exploding with joy. I felt so much peace and calm.
So if you guys are driving, but wait and listen
to it when you're sitting down and the story, because
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it's do not close DRIZ when you're driving, um, please,
unless you're the passenger seat, and then close it all
day long like Susann does when I drive. Um, I
just something she wants to see the road. She's just like, no,
I can't, I can't. I'm gonna act like I'm not here. Um,
because it is to me such a a beautiful story
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about how magical the world still is. And I say
still is because I think that you know we've forgotten that,
you know it has. We're in a we're in a
we're in a tough as time and people are at
their wits ends. We have wars going on overseas, two democracies,
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we have evil motherfucker's, we have them here on our
own country. And um and and COVID was hard on us.
And this story like it all melted away, and so
not to create too big of an expectation, I just did,
You're welcome, but it's amazing. So if you don't the
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World Peace, you can do that or World Peace world piece.
I whip up some World Peace also very popular. Yet
so I love this so much and if you want
to start rock and roll sister, so um, I was,
as you know, I was very excited to be asked
to teach at Lyn from someone who has taken my
troll class and said, Hey, they haven't had Trow here
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in quite a while, so I think it's time, and
I think you would be a great teacher. And so
I met with the you know people on staff and decided, yes,
this was something we're going to try and do. And
you know, I'm not gonna lie. I was nervous because
I had I had never taught to row over five
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days and it has been so long since I taught
in person, and like, I have to work on my
my pacing in person because that you know, the energy
can get really intense. And I knew that I had
heard stories of the sacred land of Eslin where they
have um, they have springs, hot springs, they have fresh
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water streams and they have the salt water from the ocean.
So it's this extraordinary place where all three forms of
water converge on on these sacred lands. Um. So I
was excited and held this place in my heart because Sianna,
my dear friend, has taught there many years, just like
you have to go. You have to promise me you'll go.
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And I was like, okay, sure, I'm observed. You know
you have to promise you anna everything, because she just insisted. Yes.
I have a question about about the waters because we've
talked a lot about the work that Dr Amoto did
with water, right, Um, like the energy and the energy
you put into it. Right, So when you experience these
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three Um okay, you said salt, fresh and hot water
springs spraying, yeah, hot water, would they converge? Did you?
Was your experience and just the water or touching it,
whatever you did or being around it? Was it different?
Like did you feel anything different than what you felt
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before around water? Um, that's a complicated question. I'm going
to table that respectfully, okay, um okay, but um yeah,
I'll try and weave that in as I go. But
it's okay, so big, it's just a big question. Um,
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so once I think the answer is yes, and I
just don't know how yet, So you'll, like, maybe give
us a little bit of that as you move along,
so I will stop asking continue and maybe actually this
is a good time to take a break because we
haven't taken one one yet. All Right, we're gonna break.
Folks will meet right back. Al right, everybody, we are
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back from our sl and break. Uh. And we haven't
gotten very far other than Brenda was exposed to water,
So why don't we continue get to the juicy stuff.
I was just gonna say so as I preparing for
this class of course, meditation is a big part of it.
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And what shifted in my meditations is that I was
aware of extra spirits what I'm going to call extra
spirits in my meditation, which isn't dramatically unusual. But I
didn't recognize them. I didn't. They weren't like in the
category of these are future clients that you'll be reading for.
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I was just like, I acknowledge you. I don't know
who you are, but I acknowledge you what I distance.
They were at a distance. They were outside my three
inner rings, and they were in a forest, that's what
that's what I saw. But you know, I grew up
in Wisconsin around forest all the time, so that nothing
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about that made me uncomfortable or was unfamiliar. I was
just like, it wasn't an elf. You live in trees,
and there were no there were no elve present. They
were actually much taller than elves. But um, so I
didn't notice that. So as I'm meditating, you know, I'm
just noting them that they're showing up and that's new.
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And I'm very patient, you know, I let the spirits
come to me, and so I'm focused on the teachings.
And so we provide to San Francisco and then spend
a night in San France, just go then drive up
the next day. And as we're driving to Sland, so
it's me and my three assistants who are I'm like,
we have the A team. It's so exciting. And so
we're driving up and you can just feel the energy build.
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You're driving along. There's a couple of ways to get there,
but we were driving along the ocean and you can
just feel the energy build, and you can feel the
energy build and you're like, like we'd pull over to
take pictures and to see and the Justin is the
man who invited me to teach there, who's on the
board there, and he is just giggling at us, so
excited to be seeing the ocean and to feel the
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high vibe. And he's like, just wait, just wait, he
kept saying, just wait, just wait. I'm like, I'm not
waiting at all. I'm so happy. What are you talking
about it? This is just such a And then we
get on the Sland property eventually and I'm like, oh,
for the love of God, my head like explodes, Like
the vibe is so incredible, such an incredible blessing. You
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can just feel the energy move in your cells and
move through you, and it's it's such a blessing, it's
such a healing, it's extraordinary. So I don't know if
that helps like dimensionalize what it's like to be in
this place, on these sacred lands. And so the Sland
tribe used these sacred lands for, you know, to live,
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to do ceremony to you know, um, to honor these
these water sources and and the beauty and the power
and the forest and the land in the air, and
that all of it is just so magically charged. And
so I start teaching class and classes extraordinary UM. And
you know people come, you know, people come to to
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Row class for all kinds of reasons, some which have
no linked to Row at all. You know, they're just like, oh,
they just needed to be there for whatever reason. And
of course everyone falls in love with to Row because
they're having their own experience and get to know thar
Row and weaving through UM. And what happened is that
when I was doing my I'm gonna back up from it.
When I was doing my meditations, what came to me
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is that I needed to offer spirit messages while I
was on compuss, which would be easy to do for class.
So I would just say, hey, let's meet after dinner
one night and we'll just do this. But I didn't.
It was my first time teaching there, so I didn't
know if that was like allowed or if they were
you know, there's rooms were used for other things, all
kinds of administrative things. I wanted to be respectful, obviously,
and so not you, by the way. That's the other thing.
It's so not you, you are not the one. But
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they showed me in meditation, hey you need spirit messages.
But I listened, right, I listened, and so I asked,
Justin Hayes, is cool to do? You know? Can I
can I offer this? She's like, absolutely, do this, But
we didn't get connected with the person who would okay
and even like this during the week, and so we
didn't get connected, and I was like, okay, let it go.
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Like I tried, like I want my guides to know
I tried and excited. That's important for me to get
credit for. Right, So so I'm working well with others,
but it just didn't happen. And then it just happened.
I literally ran into this director of education in the
cafeteria and she's like, hey, that thing you were going
to offer, let's do that on Thursday. Like obviously the
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only answer is yes, of course, right because right So
so now I'm like, okay, it's Tuesday. I've got a
lot of classes teaching and I have to do a
lot of meditation to get ready for Thursday. And Justin's like, hey,
remember I told you I wanted to take you to
this show you this special place on campus. Like yeah,
he goes, you want to do that at the Today's
break And I said, well, you know sure, I just
I have to make sure you get into meditation because
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we can meditate there. Now I'm all in. I'm like, great,
you got I'm totally as long as I can meditate
wherever we're going. I'm totally excited. Right, So we go meditate.
Andre we go to this place and he's already's taking me.
Is this extraordinary grove with a stream, and I am
so overwhelmed by the joy in this forest, by the
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energy that's bubbling from the earth, and in playing with
the water and the freshness of the scent of the
trees in the air. Everything is so ignited and alive.
And I am jumping up and down like a six
year old, Like I'm like a three year old, like
I'm so excited. I'm like, I have to put my
hands in that water. I have to put my hands
in that water. He's like, okay, you go put your
hands in the water, and of course, take off my backpack.
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I run down to this dream and I put my
hands in it, and in that moment, everything it was
like a portal. And it shows me because because they
had had forests, they had a forest fire there right.
This is in California, right where they've had so many fires,
and showed me in an instant how the fires actually
served the land and created balance and create an environment
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that could be restored in proper balance, and the destruction
leads to renewal, like it was this cycle and it
was all connected, and it was created possibilities, not just destruction.
And how the trees held the earth you know that
was scorched, and how it worked in tandem, and it
was this extraordinary weaving together of the elements telling me
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this story. It was. It was be such a blessing,
so be itful and such a blessing. And then we
did this meditation and I was so grateful to have
this experience. And then I went back to my room
um to to do another meditation before class. And when
I fell into meditation, those figures in the outer circles
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and of of my meditation stepped forward and said to
me quite very directly, because you connected with us, because
you put your hands in the water, you can now
do the spear messages. Because I was like, oh my god, yes,
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you're the Slin tribe. Like I could. I could see
it clearly. And they never spoke to me before. They
had never approached me, They never spoke to me. They
kept their distance, and so it was they were checking out,
you were checking me out like I had to prove,
you know, my metal as as it as it goes,
so um. So I suddenly, you know, I had been
a little nervous about the spirit message because as we
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I'm not the best medium in the world. But I
I didn't um, you know, and I hadn't done this
in like three years since I've done a spirit messages,
And and suddenly all that fear just went away, and
I knew they were going to hold me, and I
knew they were going to support me and and welcome me,
and it just that And I didn't know. I mean,
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obviously it would be a little bit nervous, but I
was all that anxiety just melted and it was, um.
It was such a blessing. And the spirit messages was
hysterical like these, the funniest spirits came through. People were
laughing so hard it was it was truly like I
was channeling a stand up stand up spirits. They were
so funny. Didn't you have a young child that showed
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up like a younger child that showed up, the child
who um, who showed up and spoke to his older
sister and and you know, they had their exchange and
who talked about their mom and meaningfulness and tenderness. And
then on his way out, he's like, hey, my my
younger brother doesn't talk about me. She doesn't know, he
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doesn't tie. He didn't like talking about you. He shies
away from it. And and his kid says in the
in the snarkiest, the most hysterical ways, like it doesn't matter,
I'm gonna I hunt him anyhow. So that was just
one example, but they were like, there were so many
funny funnies. I'm sorry that that is my kind of kid,
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because you know that is my all you people, I'm
gonna be haunting your asses, like every look out, your
clock is going to just flash on one, two, three,
four forever, and well we will know it's you and
you can reset it as many times as you were
keep going back. That's a good one too. So um,
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And it was funny because after spare messages we had
there was a bonfire and it was a guitar music
and singing. It was so fund and two women who
came to the Spear mess and she said, thank you
so much for this evening. We wanted to come but
we didn't want to come because we didn't want to
be sad. But it wasn't sad at all. It was
funny and they actually said, you know, it was filled
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with so much compassion and empathy. It was light like
we didn't think it would be anything like that. So anyhow,
so I'm glad that now have you. I have to
ask you about your experience with this and with that moment,
because you've done lots of spirit messages for all sizes
of groups over the years. Had you experienced one quite
like this before. Well, they're all different, I mean all
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of them different, I would say, I have to say,
because it was just so clear how they ushered me in.
It was interesting because someone was was someone was planning
to come walk me because it was like I have
almost a half my walk to to the to the
place where the event was because after being de meditation,
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you know, it's nice to have a guide. But something
happened in that person wasn't able to do it. I didn't.
I didn't even know she was planning to do it,
but um, it was perfect that I didn't, because I
felt like they walked me to the event, like I
was so supported and when I got there, I almost
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forgot to do an introduction because they were just so ready.
Everything was so ready to go, Everything was so super charged,
and it was it was It just flowed the whole thing.
It was almost effortless, which usually like I have to
really raise my spirit a lot, like raise my frequency
a lot to make it go. But it was just yeah,
it was really it was great. But maybe it was
different like it was for you. It was a very
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not dressed I mean, listen, I don't I don't want
to be a drama queen with this. But there are
differences because I've heard you talk about spirit messages before
and the ones I haven't attended. Sometimes there's a lot
of work, like especially sometimes like people don't want message,
isn't that's the hardest part. And there was one woman
who's like, why is he why is he hunting? Like
why why is he talking to me? I don't want
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to talk to me anymore. I'm like, well, maybe if
you listen to him, you won't. We will let you know,
he'll let you go. So even when she gave oh
my god, he was mad that her dad was talking
to her, I'm like, like, you gotta you have to
receive his message, Like that's part of the thing. You
have to be able to receive it in order for
him to stop when she's like he's waking me up
at night and like you're still not listening to him
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like hilarious messages. But yeah, but it was good. But
I do think the high vibe of the land is
just extraordinary. So with that, we should take another break. Yes,
I oh gosh, that was Gregg got a little terry.
I can't lie. It's so beautiful when you were talking
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about to put your hands in the stream. Yeah, good,
Wait are we still? Are we in a break or not?
Because I'm just telling how much I still love this story.
Going on a break right now? We're gonna break now,
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all right, we are back from I think I rambled
before the last break. But what as um and in
the theme of water is kind of funny. Actually I
didn't think about that till now. Uh, you awesome water
story in addition to the awesome one you just had
so hit his sister the great story. So when truffened
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is Um one night after dinner and I was kind
of walking around because my students were so terrific. They
were doing terror readings right after dinner for some people
just on campus, some their classmates, like and just walking
around and just talking to them and carrying around my
small bottle of water that has it's it's from a
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couple of years ago, but it's a white bottle with
love written all over it. So cool, and and it
just disappeared. And I just assumed, oh, I left in
the cafeteria. I'll find it the next morning. Not a
big deal. So I get up the next morning, wander
on down to the cafeteria. Hey didn't want to turn
a small bottle. No, you can check at the front desk.
And so we'll go to the front desk. No, check
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it out the class Hey didn't want see this. No.
I was like, Okay, well someone's gonna be really happy
or somewhere it'll show up, like you because they have
a new water bottle or somewhere. Just gonna show up somewhere,
right and so so after so that, so it was
missing for like two days. And then after the spirit messages,
I had put my backpack down in the corner and
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put my mic on, and so when I went back
to the corner to take off my mic, next my
backpack is my small water bottle. It's just sitting there,
and I'm like, justin because he had his guitar there,
and he had his iPad because her phone, he hello,
what's entry man? He had his phone because he was
playing music. But where I arrived and as he was
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picking up his things, He's like, I have I've been
using that corner all week to put my stuff and
I've not seen that water bottle, Like, oh, where did
that come from. I'm like, I don't know. It's just gone.
It was just gone and now it's back. So we're
all very happy. So I will sening about these spirits.
They had a very once they engaged with me. They
had a sort of playful kind of trickster energy to them,
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um and you know, in a giggling way, and so
I felt like this was kind of their signature move,
just leaving me some love. Literally, Oh I love that.
I just think it's amazing, especially like to me, being
able to do that to somebody like you is awesome
because because you're the one is you're the one who
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likes to use the cloak of invisibility on some people.
So I love that story because I'm like, yes, thank you, tribe.
Eslin tribe for actually getting her back for me, I
appreciate that hav ingcouraged bad behavior. But that's fun though,
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like just and for you, because I don't hear you
talk about things that disappear and reappear. I don't you do?
You really? Like I rarely I've heard you talk about
some things. I hear more about how your lightbulbs blow out,
your batteries will run dead, like in seconds. And I've
also been at your house when I've been to and
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heard the kitchen cabinets banging, like I hear that stuff. Yeah,
so those are the things that I'm used to, But
things like disappearing and reappearing not what I hear from you.
So I love that so much. I do. I mean,
it does happen, but I actually rarely worry about it
because they I don't really lose things that they go
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into another I like to think of it as does
they go into another dimension, but they usually come back. Yeah,
I can't the whole water bottle. That's kind of big. Oh,
that's really good. You've surprise some things that come back. Yeah,
you know, I gotta I gotta be honest. I took
my god daughter to Disney World a couple of days ago,
and I could have sworn that happen to my jeep,
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but I'm not sure. But it's sure the ship felt
like it because I wanted out of there so bad.
I can believe that. I can believe that, baby do
what big spring break? Right? Oh, for the love of
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Holy I just needed to get out of that um
and and but I did. I did get over like
twenty steps, so I did. There was a bright side.
Every light has a shadow, every shadow has a light. Yeah,
every step I'll probably cost me a dollar by the way,
from expensive. Everything is there, but still the place of
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my god daughter. So what. I loved everything, every single
thing about your experience there, um and would really like
to go. Actually, but one thing that I thought was
amazing teaching heads in the fall you can come. Okay,
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I'm there. I would love that. I would I would
like that. It would be great, excellent, I'm I'm there.
I literally in September. Hell yes, um. What I love
for our listeners and and of course I'm pedestrian myself,
so I liked it for myself. Is is it's it's funny,
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it's um, it's when you said you saw them. I
think about four to six weeks before you went in
a meditation and that outer third ring. I didn't know
you had rings, by the way, but um, of course
you do. You have everything orbits around you. So why
the hell um so so out in your third ring?
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Um that you didn't force it like you weren't all
obsessive about I need to find out who that is,
blue Star, go check it out. Da da da dada.
You were just like, okay, I'll know what I need
to know. And I think that's such an amazing thing
for people, everybody who has any type of practice like this,
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to know that that's okay, Like it doesn't have to
happen right then things can develop, whether it's events need
to happen, time needs to go by, whatever it is
for you to actually understand who they were and what
they were. Thank you for putting that out. I do
think even when you know, we get a lot of
d ms like this happened in my house. Who do
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you think it is? Why do you care? Like you know,
ask them these are some things I think about. But
because they were in in you know, on the outer
edge of my meditations, I wasn't overly concerned. There's a
lot of things in the outer you know world that
you become more sensitive too when you're in meditation. And
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so that's sort of you know, I'm not going to
concern myself or distract myself in meditation from that. And
I know that if it's something that I need to know,
my kids will present it to me and make the connection.
And um, yeah, So I just happened to be lucky
enough to have this extraordinary guide in the form of
Justin who took me to make this connection with the
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land in this sacred place that I don't know what
would have happened without it, Like I would it would
have been a lot more work, it would have been
a lot right. And and just to be patient and
then listen when when you when you don't know, listen
and say is this something for me? Is this something
that needs my attention right now? And you can feel
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it and you don't go on whether it comes close
or it goes away, it removes away, But I feel like,
is this like you feel it in your heart. Some
people will feel it in their heart space, some people
will feel it in the in the third chakra. Some
people might even notice in the sixth chakra. But usually
the fourth or third chakolras will will guide you in
a very tangible, embodied kind of way. So that's why
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I pay attention to I love that, and I just
think that's such a powerful message because you know, we
have so many of our listeners who we love that
reach out to us together separately. You know, I get
the ghost people, you get the calm piece and love
folks um and uh, you guys identify yourself by the
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way on who you talk to um and and I
think that that allowing right, like to not be in
a hurry and to be in a rush and be like, oh, well,
let's see what happens next kind of thing versus like
who is that? What is that? Who? I? You know,
like that twenty questions kind of thing, Like you're a detective,
(28:48):
you're not a detective in this work. Well, and there's
just a natural unfolding, like an energetic evolution that happens,
and sometimes it takes a long time. I mean I
saw Blue Star for decades and didn't I didn't know.
I didn't know until I knew until it was time
to actually meet her, Like it's you know, and it
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wasn't like I felt bad about those decades, right, I
was a kid. I didn't know. It's like it was
perfect when it happened. And so there's there's an allowing
that happens. Yeah. I had to meet Jacob when he
saved my life. I mean, you know, just and his
big old manly voice. Yeah, somebody that story what it's
(29:35):
on the wheel right, yeah, hands on the wheel. Um.
Uh I just told somebody that story. Um, not long ago,
and uh I was talking about his big, booming manly voice.
It was good. Um. So, Brenda, I love the story
so much, and I what I love more than anything
is that you actually got to have that experience and
(29:57):
sharing it with us and also sharing it with your
stud that we're there, and I just I it just
it made me feel very much that magic is still
possible for us in times when it doesn't feel that way.
And so thank you personally for that. And I would
like to think I'm going to speak on behalf of
every single one of our listeners. They thank you as well.
Thank you for listening, everybody, and remember their school is
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hard without Witchie Pooh that paddles her own canoe and
the other side. Thank you, my el thanks everybody, Thank
you for joining us everyone, and a special thanks to
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our producer Joey pat and our executive producer Maya Cole Howard,
who guides us well we guide you. Hit us up
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want to know what you think, We want to know
what you know, and we want to hear your stories.
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