January 22, 2020 • 34 mins
You’ve felt the urge to purge, but have you felt the nudge to smudge?
Smudging your home is one of the most effective tools of energy management—cleaning away negative energy and bringing healing, peace, and clarity to your space.
With clear instructions, wisdom and stories, Brenda and Julie guide you through the smudging ritual, answering the Who, What, When, Where, Why and How, so that you can get your smudge on.
Smudging: It’s an eviction notice for Spooks and an aromatherapy bath for the Good Vibes on the Other Side.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, y'all, I'm Julie. Hi there, I'm Brenda. Welcome to
Insider's Guide to the Other Side. Now y'all need to
know that we are obsessed with everything on the other side.
Yes we are, because once you learn to navigate the
energetic or two some the invisible world, life is going
to be more fun and much more serene. Heck, yes
(00:24):
it can, because let's be honest, brand earth school is hard.
In fact, you taught me that. Let's crush Earth School together.
Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of I Heart Radio. Welcome to the Nudge to Smudge.
So this topic smudging is definitely my jam. It is
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my jam because it is where I am the most comfortable,
which sounds crazy and which is fine. Go ahead, say something.
Do you want to say something that you're ruining my
whole intro, but rock on it saying you're talking about
smudging but you haven't defined it. You're like this, We're
almost there. Okay, I'm going to define it. So smudging
is about moving energy, clearing energy in your space. But
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before we jump into all the details of smudging, I
think Brenda, who just so rudely interrupted me, a minute ago, right,
is for you to actually talk a little bit about
what I like to call it kind of the ocean
in which smudging swims, so the bigger picture of what
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we're dealing with. Okay, So this is possibly one of
my favorite top five topics, and it's energy management. I
get really excited to talk about how to build awareness
around your energy in your body, in your field, in
your house, and your workspace, in your car, like just
having a sensitivity to the energetic vibe that's around you. Now,
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you do this every day. You pick where you're going
to sit in a public place, whether it's a meeting,
whether it's a movie theater, Like you sense there's a
part of your unconscious mind that goes like, I'm not
gonna sit there. Nope. One seed over is very specific.
You just kind of fallow like, no, this feels right,
And you may not even do it consciously because it's
so autonomic. You just automatically are processing this information even
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though it's not in your conscious mind. Even if it's
like the phone rings, you're like, oh, I'm not going
to get that one, even if you haven't looked at
your phone, and the next time it rings, you're like, oh,
this one I need to get right. That's that's what
I call below the line sensing. So above the line
is I'm making a conscious choice. Below the line is
I just know this. I don't know how I know this,
I just know it. I don't know how I know
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what I know, but I know that I know. Well,
I think really quickly. Then before we jump into the smudging, is,
why don't we give everybody a story about just the
knowing about what energy management can be, because mine it's
kind of silly because it's about shoes. And I walked
by my shoes one morning and I remember either the
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shoes told me or something where I just got this
sense again energy management of I should probably put those
shoes away or when the dogs are going to get them.
The dogs never ate my shoes, right, So I had
that sense, And then of course I didn't do it,
and I get home and when the dogs ate my shoes,
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and we've all had that, I ignored, right, I ignored
and I overrode it. It's when your conscious mind overrides
what your intuitional in the intuition guidance is actually telling you.
And you've done it too. The smart of bands yes, Oh,
I am not preaching to the choir here like I am.
I am part of the choir. So this is a
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long time ago. I was in Dallas, Texas, and I
was at a Barnes and Nobles with my boyfriend at
the time, and we had a great sort of psychic
connection and would pick up on each other's vibes all
the time. And so I'm sitting in a corner of
Barnes and Nobles, giant, you know, it's in Dallas, so
everything's giant, giant, Barnes and Nobles. And I'm often a
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corner reading and I hear look up and I'm like,
if he wants me, he can come find me. I'm
you know, I go into one of those I just
it's totally roll, right, I'm just gonna sit here. I
just want to finish this chapter of this book. And
you know, maybe two minutes later, I actually look up
and my handbag is gone. It's gone, like it's stolen, gone. Poof,
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you overwrote it. I overrode my intuition. So for issues
are handbags and shoes. So this is we have an
accessory problem in our intuition. But the whole, the whole thing,
why this, these stories. You have experiences of this absolutely
every day. Where something happens, you're like, oh, I knew that.
And it can be a great thing, like a great confirmation.
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It can be like oh I knew better, I should
have done that, and then not so great, But it's
very affirming either way. And the more aware you are
of your energetic surroundings to receive this guidance, to receive
this message, you will know is it time to cleanse
my space? And I will tell you truth be told.
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The first time that I was told to cleanse my
space was from you. It was from you because you
told me that I may have opened a ghost portal
in my backyard like Poltergeist. Now we've talked about how
the movies have ruined everything, um, but in this case,
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it I mean it. I was on alert. I did
not want to be screaming for Carol Anne. I did
not want to be sucked in by the closet. Uh
And and so I started to spide. You said you
need to get some sage and we're going to go
in distructions just a second. And so I became a
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master at smudging and became a master not only at
my own house, but I started truly holing myself out
to the entire city of Los Angeles, shamelessly because I
I thought I was I wanted to learn. So can
you tell share with our listeners how you thought, like,
there's too much going on and I have to clean
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this space. Do you do you remember? Well? Of course
I remember, because I had a bird that had flown
into our kitchen window. And again you told me, God,
it's like, this is like the most affirmation could ever get.
We're in a podcast and it's now recorded for the
history of the world that you were right all the time,
and it just pisces me off. But anyway're gonna keep
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moving on. But birds are messengers, because that's what you
taught me. And we had a lot we started. I
took a picture of the bird, and you, of course
said that the place of the window where the bird
hit left it. It left like a bird stain of
the dust and the oil. You said in your eyes,
my elf, do you not see the spooks in the picture?
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And I'm like, crap. So I had ghosts and I
needed to clear our space. I mean, you got a
little all dramatic with me saying it was a ghost portal,
and I went to Poltergeist. I mean, but it worked.
Scaring me worked, so congratulations. I would have said, just
a portal, but the ghost it sounded that all right. Again.
I worked in movies in Hollywood, so everything they have
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to have to dramatize everything, everything has to be completely
nobly dramatic. So I started clearing our space. I started.
I had a giant like it looks a giant like
cast iron, like you could cook stew in it big pot,
and I would jam it full of sage that I
would buy in bulk on Etsy. I don't know if
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that's the right place to buy sage, but it worked
at the time, and I would walk around the perimeter
of of our lot. What was I think the most
important thing about what was happening was that it was
my intention was the most powerful thing that happened. And
also I learned I didn't open a ghost portal, but
I did clear the heck out of that space. Um.
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But it was the fact that I would walk around
with my dog Homer, and I would talk to my
mom who had passed by that time, and asking her
to protect our home and asking her to make sure
that we were safe, like it. It started a really
interesting ritual in my life about asking for help from
the spiritual world. And this was a time when you
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weren't doing that regularly. I wasn't doing it at all.
I mean, that was a really nice way of you
saying you weren't doing it regularly. I wasn't doing it
at all, and I was grieving. Like that's the other
part of it, is said I. It was a time
that I got like reconnected to my mother in a
different form and in a different way because I was
asking her to protect us. I was even I asked
her to do some crazy stuff. I actually I have
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all my ghosts. I assigned them jobs now. And my
mom's job at that time was to protect our home
and my wife and our little fur babies. She had
a hell of a job too, I mean, like, congratulations, Mom.
And you also had lots of spirits around you that
you photographed regularly. Well that's why I called myself the
ghost photographer, and that's how they all started. But I'm saying,
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with all that spiritual activity around you, and I think
you did open a portal. But but you know, Margaret
did her job. She did she closed it. Then she's
a good ghost momp. Let's be honest. So through this,
I um discovered so much about myself in my own intuition.
But before we go into some of the stories that
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we experienced, I would love we got some really good stories. Um.
I would love, Brenda if you would actually talk to
our listeners about really what the fundamentals are the rules,
because there are rules I think to smudging that people
should follow. There are the dues and the don'ts, and
I think be great if you would share that with
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everyone then we can kind of jump into some stories. Absolutely,
So I'll just go through like the technical steps of smudging.
I think your point about the intention is super critical
and it's the first step that says what do I
want to do, whether it's an annual energetic cleansing of
my space or it's I just had a bunch of people,
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Like we had contractors that were in the house for
about two and a half months, and after the last
you know, nail was driven in and thing painted, like,
everybody was gone. That's when we smudged, Like, and the
intention was now that we hated our contractors. We didn't.
They were fantastic. You never hear people say that, but
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It was literally about I'm going to release all the
activity that happened in this house that wasn't mine and
wasn't necessarily in harmony with what I'm trying to create
my home and release and cleanse that out so that
I can re establish my own energy patterns in my space.
Because there's two things, I think two reasons why we
do this. One is to move that energy, like you're
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talking about, and the other is sometimes you got ghosts
and you need to bust. Yes, that's true, right, I mean,
sometimes you to bust some ghosts, and sometimes you just
need to move some energy because everything is energy. Everything
is energy, and it sometimes you just a clean, clear
stale I want to get it out of there. Like,
those are the two reasons. It's not just because something's haunted, right,
and just don't word about that haunting thing, because I
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feel like when people come and share their ghost stories
with me a lot, it is sometimes a spirit that
was in the space before they moved in. And sometimes
the other way it can happen is if someone brings
a spirit in, like if you have a house guest, Like, yeah,
it's like a hitchhiker. Yeah, like a hitchhiker they'll come
and they'll say, this is nice, I'll stay here. So
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those are typically the ways people get spirits moving into
spaces where they don't aren't normally, and so that's when
you would want to smudge. But sometimes it's just a
matter of hey, I just closed out, like my office
is in my home, and so when I close out
a big project, I like to smudge. I like to
release that project so that I am literally creating space
for something new to come in, because if your energy
is all filled up with other things, it's harder to
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create something new. It's kind of full at the end, right,
and important because I've run across this a lot. I
see people that they just moved into place and they
got a sage bundle and they lit it and they
waved it around, and they thought that was smudging. That's
not smudging, people, that's just waving a little dried weed around.
You are not smudging, which people do every day they do, right,
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they do, But in this case, you're not going to
move energy by doing that. So that again we're harping
on this whole intention thing. Because when you become a
pro like myself and like yourself, I I don't need
the tools. I don't need the lit weeds to walk
around and to clear a space. I can clear it
without that because my intention is so strong, and because
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you smudged half of l A, because I swudge half
of l A and part of Arkansas now right. And
practice makes the master, and so this is one of
those times where it truly practice makes the master. And
so the more you practice, the just stronger you'll get
and being able to sense the energy. So ABC s
O smudging set your intention? Am I clearing space just
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to do a great clearing and my clearing space because
I need to close this down and create new opportunities.
And my clearing specific entities or energies or spirits because
I've been invaded in some way or I'm ready to
move these spirits on, even if they've been there for
a while. So that's the first thing you do. Then
you would do a prayer of protection, and the prayer
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of protection we recorded in our last session, but you
can also find it online with us. It's or you
can use any prayer. If you don't have a prayer
for yourself, you can use our prayer of protection. You
want to do something to seal your space, your personal
space because as you're moving through, it's it's like putting
on rubber gloves or tying your hair back in a
bandana or something. If you're going to go through and
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kick up a lot of dust, you don't want it
to get it all over you. And that's what a
prayer protection will do. Um Any prayer will do anything
that you are connected to. It raises your vibration and
low vibrations can't move into a high vibration space. So
prayer will do that high vibration thing for you. And
that's really important. Do you mind if I jump in
really quick and the prayer combo. What I discovered when
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I started doing this type of work is I would
jump into the Lord's prayer. I was raised the Piscopalian
in rural Oklahoma, and boy do I know that prayer.
So I would start with the Lord's prayer, our father,
who are in heaven? How to be that name? And
all of a sudden I started to sense if the
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energy was good or bad in certain errors because I
would either forget or I would jumble the words to
the prayer. And that was my trigger to know that
that's my spot to go to. So it was used
as like as a divining rod in a way, but
it was also used to protect because that is a
very high vibrational prayer. Now, if you don't know the prayer,
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if you were not raised in the Piscopal Church of MoMA, Oklahoma,
you do not have to do it. But if if
you do, it's a really helpful one as well in
it and it serves the purpose. Of course, I like
to do an aramaic a boon to bush my nick.
I do not know what the hell you just said.
I just said, our father, who are happened? Did you realize?
All right, continue with your instructions, and so we got
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the high vibe going on. Right, you get your intention,
you get your high vibe. Now you're ready to start clearing.
So you typically start if you are doing a clearing,
you use sage. Dried sage. You can buy them and
bundles at A and e A book stores. You can
get them loose, you can do them bundled. If you
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buy them bundled, you want to take the sage um
wand and crush it in your hands a little bit
to open it up because it will burn better. They
wrap them so tightly it's hard to it won't stay
lit because the no oxygen gets in. So you break
it up a little bit, super helpful, and then you
get a container that the embers from the sage stick
or from or that you'll burn the sage indirectly if
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it's loosely, and you can use a cast iron, it
can be a pan, it can be a bowl. I
have a little cauldron like thing that I like to use,
and for me, I also have a collection of sacred
feathers and wands, feather wands that I use to direct
the smoke, because you don't like just walk into a
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room and kind of wave a rag in the air
and go, okay, this place is dusted, right, You literally
direct you know, whether it's the wax that you're putting
on the on the wood you like. You you are
intentional in how you're cleansing and clearing in the same
with the smoke and your feather wand. You can use
a piece of cardboard, it really doesn't matter. Use what
you got right, use what your mama gave you. You
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can use this feather wand to direct the smoke. And
you start in the basement or the lowest level of
wherever you are, so it doesn't have to be a basement.
I'm from the Midwest. We have basements, so we were
too poor to have a basement. Go ahead, so not
everyone has basements. Started the lowest level of wherever the
spaces that you're clearing, and you work your way up,
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so you enter the room. I recommend opening the windows
if it's climately pleasing, weather dependent, weather dependent, right, you
can open the windows as you begin to cleanse that room.
And you start and then you move counterclockwise through the room.
So for each while the room, you would trace the
smoke wall to wall, across the top of the wall,
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wall to ceiling, down the opposite wall, wall to wall,
and then the floor, or if it's easier for you, you
you can do the floor and reverse that. It doesn't
matter which direction if you do the floor first of
the ceiling first, but what is important and direction of
this is one of my favorite things is moving counter
clockwise moves things out, moves energy out. Yes, and just
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think about it, like if you spend something kind of clockwise,
it moves it out. If you spend clockwise, it moves
it moves it in. So if you are moving clockwise
in your space and you're talking to ghosts, you may
bring some in. So this is a Wharton distinction about
counter clockwise versus clockwise. Thank you for it is my
clockwise pleasure or counter clockwise my counter pleasure. So you
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would move through. You would move through the room in
this way, paying attention to doorways. You would trace the
seam of the doorways. When you have windows, you trace
all four seams of the windows or circle windows, or
whatever shape of window you have, you just trace the
seam of it. Then when you are finished with the
entire room, you've done all four walls or however many walls, right,
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because some rooms have many many walls. And then you
would stand at the place where you entered the room,
so you're about to exit the room, and you would say,
anything that is not aligned to our highest good or
my highest good, leave now. And then you give it
a beat as the energy of the room clears, and
you can wait, or you can think about it um
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and feel into it. Just know that you with your
inten clear and strong, the energy will move out relatively quickly.
You don't have to wait three hours before you close
the windows. It can literally be just a matter of minutes.
And then you move into the hallway, and you do
the hallway, you do each room like that. I'm paying
attention also to mirrors, sinks, toilets, showers, bathtubs, any drains
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you would want to do. I'd like to do an
Infinity sign over those spaces. If you're a ricky person,
you can do the first reiky symbol and then on
the tops of um and through bookshelves or some people
have kitchen cabinets that only go part way up and
there's a space between the top of the cabinet and
the ceiling. You would want to energetically with the feather
and send the smoke up with an Infinity sign to
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move the energy in places that the energy gets stuck.
So in situations like this, it's typically out of spirit
that's been caught there. But energies doesn't flow as smoothly
in tight corners or underneath stairs or things like that,
So you just want to pay a little bit of
extra attention to those space. That's why so many sacred
buildings are around, because energy cannot get stuck right gets
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the energy gets stuck in the corners. Another interesting area
that I found, Brenda in your instructions is I started
to discover a lot of activity around electrical panels and homes,
especially as the electrical use and you know, just the
high tech in the homes gets super sticky. Right. So
I I started doing the infinity symbol and the areas
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where there are electric panels, and because I get I
like this stuff, I would go take photographs of people's
electrical panels and always saw a little ghosts there it is,
it's it's a ghost magnet. Those areas, yes, super super
charged and televisions to you again, you would do the
community sign yes, yeah, okay. So the instructions super helpful.
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So this is how I think the baseline of where
we start. Now here's the other thing that happens is
this is the baseline. I wish there were a set
of instructions that we could give you to tell you
what to do when you encounter certain things. The reality
is sometimes you never know what you're gonna find. So
one of the times that I went out and was
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literally whring myself to everyone in town to go clear
their home. It was for my friend Alex and his
wife Dawn, and I was following Brenna's instructions. I was
moving counterclockwise in the home. I was. The rooms were
count of clockwise. We get to a guess bathroom and
and Susanne is with me as my trustee smudging assistant wife,
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and so we get to this bathroom. I walk in
there and I look over at them. I'm like, what
in the world is going on here? Because my little
spidy sensor, whichie vibe, was telling me something was really
active in this area. I just want to interrupt for
me because this was not your first smudging, now it was.
I just want to point that out. It wasn't my first,
but it was earlier in the smudging, so only fair so.
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But because I was I was very in tune to
the energy and reading the energy and knew someone's going on.
And I also noticed that their little dog, Anna, who
was by the way, has just passed recently, so godless
little Anna that she would never go into that bathroom.
I walk into the bathroom standing there and I lost
I even lost my balance, like that's how big that
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energy was. And I'm like, this isn't good. And so
I'm looking at them going, was there something you guys
need to tell me about this room? And Alex kind
of being a douche bag, he was about at the
time says, well, you know, I just didn't know if
you're the real deal, and I just wanted to test you.
I said, oh you did, did you? And all the
things I went through my head with a lot of expletives.
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He's like, yeah, you know, when we leave in the morning,
you know that door is open, but when we come
home it's closed and locked. I go, really, you didn't
bother telling me that. So what was really interesting that
happened is that I went into this mode of had
to have been some sort of channeling mode where I
looked at Donna's wife, I said, don't get me a
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a little a little bowl that you don't mind saying
goodbye too, because this is not going to You're gonna
bury this when we're done. So I have everybody running
around doing little errands for me to prepare this space.
Of course, I had blessed um salt, I had holy water.
Oh yeah, that place was a mess by the time
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I was done. But I also had this it says St.
Michael's oil. Again. I got it from Etsy, but it worked,
and I put it in the bowl and I looked
at Donna said you'll know when this needs to go,
and She's like, what do you mean. I said, I
don't know, but you'll just know. So all these things happen,
right the series of events, everybody's like getting me the
all my my tools that I need. And what's interesting
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is a few days later I called them, I said, so, guys,
how's it going in your haunted bathroom? And they're like,
it's weird, it's fine, and they're like, how did you
know to do that? I'm like, I don't know. There
was no instruction booklet for this one. I have no
idea how I knew to do this. It was just instinctual.
It was I was being guided, whatever you want to
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call it. And again, those two opening steps of setting
clear intention and keeping your vibe high allows for that
intuition to be amplified in those moments where you needed
the most super critical Yeah, and I needed it. Then
I needed it again when I was clearing her friend's
home and her ghost jumped on my back, and instead
of panicking because I felt the weight of this ghost
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and the son the first time, unfortunately that's happened since
then at least um or the only time it's happened.
But because I was I'm prepared for anything. Now, literally,
I'm prepared for anything that I'm very calm in those
situations because the most important thing of this episode is
for everybody to understand that you are in charge. You
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are in charge over any disembodied spirit and the minute
if you are dealing with something that won't be scary,
the it they sniff that fair on you, they will
take advantage of that. But as long as you I'm
in charge, You're going to boss them around. Because I
do call myself a ghost boss. I do, and I
really call myself that in my head until today. But
I will boss those things around. I'll give them jobs
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for the good ghost and I will tell the bad
ones to leave because they are They're not in charge.
I am in charge. And that is the most important
thing people need to know is that they are in
charge and not to be afraid because you are in charge.
The confidence and the clarity in knowing that, because if
you are faking it, they will know. Oh they so
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they smell it. They do, they literally do. They totally
smell it. But you have You've had some doozies. The
one I wanted to share with you is actually the
first time I was asked to smudge someone's house identity
in my own home. But I had a friend who
had a friend you know that goes right, And she's like,
I have this friend and they have some weird things
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going on, and I can't think of anyone else I
trust but you, And I was like, I don't know,
because they had light bulbs exploding and things flying across
the room and kids getting kicked out of bed in
the night. I mean, it was God. I wish I
would have done you and called me, so I couldn't
do that. It was it was not like, hey, I
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want to create a new business, can we clear my house?
It was like, we'd like to survive a night in
this house. And it was really intense and I didn't
know what to do. So I prayed about it and
meditate on it, and one night I had a dream
that showed me very clearly that I don't need to
be afraid no ghosts not to say that. So I
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had this dream that I woke up knowing that I
had to do this, that this was part of my assignment,
even though I would have been quite happy to pass.
But didn't happen. So my whole thing was if my
friends and my girlfriend Kathy got me into this. She
was coming with me. That was number one. Number two
was the entire family had to be there. It was
none of this the wife's going to do this while
the husband's gone. I'm like, oh no, no, no no, everybody, kids, mom, dad,
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everybody in the house, because right this is happening family wide.
Everybody has to be all bought in. And then because
I was terrified, I literally wore like a pair of
sweats that I with a change of clothes in the
car because I didn't want those clothes coming back into
my house. I was like, I was totally like, let's
lock it down. I was new, I was new, I
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was cautious, and I was glad. I was um. So
when I got there, I had, you know, I had
them repeat the prayer protection from me. Had everyone just
set their intention, and then off we go. We started
in the basement and I said to my friend Kathy,
I want you to smudge that solid wall, like there's
windows in the top row of it. And the woman
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of the house, the wife of the house said there
are actually windows behind that wall, Like why would you
cover up windows? That wasn't the point, but you just
feel like and where there was any opening. So I
totally guided totally. And then we go upstairs and I
want you to smudge the center of this room, like
there's a wall right here. She's like, there used to
be a wall right here. Like this went on at
every point. I'm like, what happened here? Oh yeah, this
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came flying out of the register, so that happened here,
Like it was every floor we went to. There was
like extraordinary confirmation that I was reading the energy right,
that it was helpful, and that when we got to
the pinnacle of the activity upstairs in one of the
children's room, I looked out the back window and I
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said to her, what's going on back there at the
edge of the lot line And she said, well, there's
a river there, I said, or a creek And I said, well,
I can see that, but what's on the other side
of that? And she said, oh, there's a graveyard over there.
I'm like, are you kidding me? Like you couldn't have
told me that before I started this. What is people
not telling us things important information about doors being locked
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in graveyards? And so when we walked the entire perimeter
to with the smudge, and you know, all of us
all at once. When we got over there, you could
literally see that the graveyard was sliding into the the river.
It was it was crazy. It was like I would
so sell this house. Well, what's in the water now,
Like can you bottle that up and it can be
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like spook water. Why would you do that? I don't know,
but it seemed like a good idea at the moment.
It's not a good idea. It's not a good idea
at all. It all worked in the family stayed there.
The happiest can be lived there, you know, decades later. Well,
because you also did some advanced things which you set
up protection barriers for them. And that's the other thing.
And we'll get more advanced, I think, as we continue
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through our journey with everybody here. But that is certainly
sitting at protection helps. One thing that's also really important
in the smunging process that Brendan I both love to
do is that when you're done with your sage stick
or with the left of your bundle, is to put
it into a fireproof container. Because we're all fire safety here.
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We all like smoking the bearer outside the front of
your door. Because for Brenda, it's more of a it's
a symbol clarity that says, this is the boundary. Don't
even think about it me. I'm flipping then the bird,
which is, don't you dare think about coming into this
house a again? Be ever, But I think that's important
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for for the because again that's part of the intention.
And the other thing that I think it's important for
folks to know is and things I've encountered through my
literally hundreds of smudging experiences that I've had, is where
I have found most activity. I'm gonna call it activity.
Probably the best term to use is around objects in
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the home. So whether it is and sometimes it's it's
it's good energy, right. I around pieces of art that
were gifted from uncles who have passed, get things like
that regularly, But it's antiques. Antiques is the number one
category of objects that I have encountered that has more activity,
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and sometimes there have been full on ghosts activity in it.
Sometimes it's residual energy because when we talk about again
the two, we're trying to move stale old energy. But
this whole idea, and of what Brenda talks about energy
management is because you know, energy is everything and everywhere
that if somebody owned an object before you, and maybe
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they hated the object. That energy goes with it. You
also know if they loved it, you also know you
know that that object like they we leave our our
energetic fingerprint imprint on objects things that we own. And
if you're buying something like that and taking it into
your home, yea better clear it. Yeah. And that's not
to say you can't have amazing state jewelry or antique art.
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Just clear it, clear it up. So smudging is certainly
can take you know, the same the same instructions that
you gave us Brenda about seems and going moving into
counterclockwise way and with your intention. I personally am a
big fan of salt, So if there are smaller objects,
I like to use salt because salt will just zap
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the whatever little ghost boogers you might have. It will
just zap them right off of that object in no time.
It just flicks them off right, just flicks them off
the object. Salt is great. Don't eat salt. It's bad
for your cholesterol, but it's fantastic for for ghosts or
is it blood pressure? Blood pressure? Blood pressure? I think
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it's bad. Cholesterol is fat. That's a Twinkies bad for
your blood pressure podcast different podcast right, that's we're getting
the food Brenda. I think we may have covered off
a lot of the most important I think issues surrounding smudging.
What to smudge, how to smudge? Moving energy around? Is
there anything that we've forgotten in this smudge away smudge
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away that is your just to be clear, it is
smudge away well, to be clear, to be click forgive me.
Smudging is a tool your energetic management. Building awareness is
the number one step and this key tool that we
are going to come back to when we've round and
play with and increase your ways so that you can
energetically create the life that supports you, a life that
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Hi, y'all, I'm Julie. Hi there, I'm Brenda. Welcome to
Insider's Guide to the Other Side. Now y'all need to
know that we are obsessed with everything on the other side.
Yes we are, because once you learn to navigate the
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to be more fun and much more serene. Heck, yes
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it can, because let's be honest, brand earth school is hard.
In fact, you taught me that. Let's crush Earth School together.
Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of I Heart Radio. Welcome to the Nudge to Smudge.
So this topic smudging is definitely my jam. It is
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my jam because it is where I am the most comfortable,
which sounds crazy and which is fine. Go ahead, say something.
Do you want to say something that you're ruining my
whole intro, but rock on it saying you're talking about
smudging but you haven't defined it. You're like this, We're
almost there. Okay, I'm going to define it. So smudging
is about moving energy, clearing energy in your space. But
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before we jump into all the details of smudging, I
think Brenda, who just so rudely interrupted me, a minute ago, right,
is for you to actually talk a little bit about
what I like to call it kind of the ocean
in which smudging swims, so the bigger picture of what
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we're dealing with. Okay, So this is possibly one of
my favorite top five topics, and it's energy management. I
get really excited to talk about how to build awareness
around your energy in your body, in your field, in
your house, and your workspace, in your car, like just
having a sensitivity to the energetic vibe that's around you. Now,
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you do this every day. You pick where you're going
to sit in a public place, whether it's a meeting,
whether it's a movie theater, Like you sense there's a
part of your unconscious mind that goes like, I'm not
gonna sit there. Nope. One seed over is very specific.
You just kind of fallow like, no, this feels right,
And you may not even do it consciously because it's
so autonomic. You just automatically are processing this information even
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though it's not in your conscious mind. Even if it's
like the phone rings, you're like, oh, I'm not going
to get that one, even if you haven't looked at
your phone, and the next time it rings, you're like, oh,
this one I need to get right. That's that's what
I call below the line sensing. So above the line
is I'm making a conscious choice. Below the line is
I just know this. I don't know how I know this,
I just know it. I don't know how I know
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what I know, but I know that I know. Well,
I think really quickly. Then before we jump into the smudging, is,
why don't we give everybody a story about just the
knowing about what energy management can be, because mine it's
kind of silly because it's about shoes. And I walked
by my shoes one morning and I remember either the
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shoes told me or something where I just got this
sense again energy management of I should probably put those
shoes away or when the dogs are going to get them.
The dogs never ate my shoes, right, So I had
that sense, And then of course I didn't do it,
and I get home and when the dogs ate my shoes,
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and we've all had that, I ignored, right, I ignored
and I overrode it. It's when your conscious mind overrides
what your intuitional in the intuition guidance is actually telling you.
And you've done it too. The smart of bands yes, Oh,
I am not preaching to the choir here like I am.
I am part of the choir. So this is a
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long time ago. I was in Dallas, Texas, and I
was at a Barnes and Nobles with my boyfriend at
the time, and we had a great sort of psychic
connection and would pick up on each other's vibes all
the time. And so I'm sitting in a corner of
Barnes and Nobles, giant, you know, it's in Dallas, so
everything's giant, giant, Barnes and Nobles. And I'm often a
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corner reading and I hear look up and I'm like,
if he wants me, he can come find me. I'm
you know, I go into one of those I just
it's totally roll, right, I'm just gonna sit here. I
just want to finish this chapter of this book. And
you know, maybe two minutes later, I actually look up
and my handbag is gone. It's gone, like it's stolen, gone. Poof,
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you overwrote it. I overrode my intuition. So for issues
are handbags and shoes. So this is we have an
accessory problem in our intuition. But the whole, the whole thing,
why this, these stories. You have experiences of this absolutely
every day. Where something happens, you're like, oh, I knew that.
And it can be a great thing, like a great confirmation.
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It can be like oh I knew better, I should
have done that, and then not so great, But it's
very affirming either way. And the more aware you are
of your energetic surroundings to receive this guidance, to receive
this message, you will know is it time to cleanse
my space? And I will tell you truth be told.
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The first time that I was told to cleanse my
space was from you. It was from you because you
told me that I may have opened a ghost portal
in my backyard like Poltergeist. Now we've talked about how
the movies have ruined everything, um, but in this case,
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it I mean it. I was on alert. I did
not want to be screaming for Carol Anne. I did
not want to be sucked in by the closet. Uh
And and so I started to spide. You said you
need to get some sage and we're going to go
in distructions just a second. And so I became a
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master at smudging and became a master not only at
my own house, but I started truly holing myself out
to the entire city of Los Angeles, shamelessly because I
I thought I was I wanted to learn. So can
you tell share with our listeners how you thought, like,
there's too much going on and I have to clean
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this space. Do you do you remember? Well? Of course
I remember, because I had a bird that had flown
into our kitchen window. And again you told me, God,
it's like, this is like the most affirmation could ever get.
We're in a podcast and it's now recorded for the
history of the world that you were right all the time,
and it just pisces me off. But anyway're gonna keep
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moving on. But birds are messengers, because that's what you
taught me. And we had a lot we started. I
took a picture of the bird, and you, of course
said that the place of the window where the bird
hit left it. It left like a bird stain of
the dust and the oil. You said in your eyes,
my elf, do you not see the spooks in the picture?
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And I'm like, crap. So I had ghosts and I
needed to clear our space. I mean, you got a
little all dramatic with me saying it was a ghost portal,
and I went to Poltergeist. I mean, but it worked.
Scaring me worked, so congratulations. I would have said, just
a portal, but the ghost it sounded that all right. Again.
I worked in movies in Hollywood, so everything they have
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to have to dramatize everything, everything has to be completely
nobly dramatic. So I started clearing our space. I started.
I had a giant like it looks a giant like
cast iron, like you could cook stew in it big pot,
and I would jam it full of sage that I
would buy in bulk on Etsy. I don't know if
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that's the right place to buy sage, but it worked
at the time, and I would walk around the perimeter
of of our lot. What was I think the most
important thing about what was happening was that it was
my intention was the most powerful thing that happened. And
also I learned I didn't open a ghost portal, but
I did clear the heck out of that space. Um.
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But it was the fact that I would walk around
with my dog Homer, and I would talk to my
mom who had passed by that time, and asking her
to protect our home and asking her to make sure
that we were safe, like it. It started a really
interesting ritual in my life about asking for help from
the spiritual world. And this was a time when you
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weren't doing that regularly. I wasn't doing it at all.
I mean, that was a really nice way of you
saying you weren't doing it regularly. I wasn't doing it
at all, and I was grieving. Like that's the other
part of it, is said I. It was a time
that I got like reconnected to my mother in a
different form and in a different way because I was
asking her to protect us. I was even I asked
her to do some crazy stuff. I actually I have
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all my ghosts. I assigned them jobs now. And my
mom's job at that time was to protect our home
and my wife and our little fur babies. She had
a hell of a job too, I mean, like, congratulations, Mom.
And you also had lots of spirits around you that
you photographed regularly. Well that's why I called myself the
ghost photographer, and that's how they all started. But I'm saying,
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with all that spiritual activity around you, and I think
you did open a portal. But but you know, Margaret
did her job. She did she closed it. Then she's
a good ghost momp. Let's be honest. So through this,
I um discovered so much about myself in my own intuition.
But before we go into some of the stories that
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we experienced, I would love we got some really good stories. Um.
I would love, Brenda if you would actually talk to
our listeners about really what the fundamentals are the rules,
because there are rules I think to smudging that people
should follow. There are the dues and the don'ts, and
I think be great if you would share that with
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everyone then we can kind of jump into some stories. Absolutely,
So I'll just go through like the technical steps of smudging.
I think your point about the intention is super critical
and it's the first step that says what do I
want to do, whether it's an annual energetic cleansing of
my space or it's I just had a bunch of people,
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Like we had contractors that were in the house for
about two and a half months, and after the last
you know, nail was driven in and thing painted, like,
everybody was gone. That's when we smudged, Like, and the
intention was now that we hated our contractors. We didn't.
They were fantastic. You never hear people say that, but
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It was literally about I'm going to release all the
activity that happened in this house that wasn't mine and
wasn't necessarily in harmony with what I'm trying to create
my home and release and cleanse that out so that
I can re establish my own energy patterns in my space.
Because there's two things, I think two reasons why we
do this. One is to move that energy, like you're
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talking about, and the other is sometimes you got ghosts
and you need to bust. Yes, that's true, right, I mean,
sometimes you to bust some ghosts, and sometimes you just
need to move some energy because everything is energy. Everything
is energy, and it sometimes you just a clean, clear
stale I want to get it out of there. Like,
those are the two reasons. It's not just because something's haunted, right,
and just don't word about that haunting thing, because I
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feel like when people come and share their ghost stories
with me a lot, it is sometimes a spirit that
was in the space before they moved in. And sometimes
the other way it can happen is if someone brings
a spirit in, like if you have a house guest, Like, yeah,
it's like a hitchhiker. Yeah, like a hitchhiker they'll come
and they'll say, this is nice, I'll stay here. So
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those are typically the ways people get spirits moving into
spaces where they don't aren't normally, and so that's when
you would want to smudge. But sometimes it's just a
matter of hey, I just closed out, like my office
is in my home, and so when I close out
a big project, I like to smudge. I like to
release that project so that I am literally creating space
for something new to come in, because if your energy
is all filled up with other things, it's harder to
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create something new. It's kind of full at the end, right,
and important because I've run across this a lot. I
see people that they just moved into place and they
got a sage bundle and they lit it and they
waved it around, and they thought that was smudging. That's
not smudging, people, that's just waving a little dried weed around.
You are not smudging, which people do every day they do, right,
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they do, But in this case, you're not going to
move energy by doing that. So that again we're harping
on this whole intention thing. Because when you become a
pro like myself and like yourself, I I don't need
the tools. I don't need the lit weeds to walk
around and to clear a space. I can clear it
without that because my intention is so strong, and because
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you smudged half of l A, because I swudge half
of l A and part of Arkansas now right. And
practice makes the master, and so this is one of
those times where it truly practice makes the master. And
so the more you practice, the just stronger you'll get
and being able to sense the energy. So ABC s
O smudging set your intention? Am I clearing space just
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to do a great clearing and my clearing space because
I need to close this down and create new opportunities.
And my clearing specific entities or energies or spirits because
I've been invaded in some way or I'm ready to
move these spirits on, even if they've been there for
a while. So that's the first thing you do. Then
you would do a prayer of protection, and the prayer
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of protection we recorded in our last session, but you
can also find it online with us. It's or you
can use any prayer. If you don't have a prayer
for yourself, you can use our prayer of protection. You
want to do something to seal your space, your personal
space because as you're moving through, it's it's like putting
on rubber gloves or tying your hair back in a
bandana or something. If you're going to go through and
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kick up a lot of dust, you don't want it
to get it all over you. And that's what a
prayer protection will do. Um Any prayer will do anything
that you are connected to. It raises your vibration and
low vibrations can't move into a high vibration space. So
prayer will do that high vibration thing for you. And
that's really important. Do you mind if I jump in
really quick and the prayer combo. What I discovered when
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I started doing this type of work is I would
jump into the Lord's prayer. I was raised the Piscopalian
in rural Oklahoma, and boy do I know that prayer.
So I would start with the Lord's prayer, our father,
who are in heaven? How to be that name? And
all of a sudden I started to sense if the
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energy was good or bad in certain errors because I
would either forget or I would jumble the words to
the prayer. And that was my trigger to know that
that's my spot to go to. So it was used
as like as a divining rod in a way, but
it was also used to protect because that is a
very high vibrational prayer. Now, if you don't know the prayer,
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if you were not raised in the Piscopal Church of MoMA, Oklahoma,
you do not have to do it. But if if
you do, it's a really helpful one as well in
it and it serves the purpose. Of course, I like
to do an aramaic a boon to bush my nick.
I do not know what the hell you just said.
I just said, our father, who are happened? Did you realize?
All right, continue with your instructions, and so we got
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the high vibe going on. Right, you get your intention,
you get your high vibe. Now you're ready to start clearing.
So you typically start if you are doing a clearing,
you use sage. Dried sage. You can buy them and
bundles at A and e A book stores. You can
get them loose, you can do them bundled. If you
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buy them bundled, you want to take the sage um
wand and crush it in your hands a little bit
to open it up because it will burn better. They
wrap them so tightly it's hard to it won't stay
lit because the no oxygen gets in. So you break
it up a little bit, super helpful, and then you
get a container that the embers from the sage stick
or from or that you'll burn the sage indirectly if
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it's loosely, and you can use a cast iron, it
can be a pan, it can be a bowl. I
have a little cauldron like thing that I like to use,
and for me, I also have a collection of sacred
feathers and wands, feather wands that I use to direct
the smoke, because you don't like just walk into a
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room and kind of wave a rag in the air
and go, okay, this place is dusted, right, You literally
direct you know, whether it's the wax that you're putting
on the on the wood you like. You you are
intentional in how you're cleansing and clearing in the same
with the smoke and your feather wand. You can use
a piece of cardboard, it really doesn't matter. Use what
you got right, use what your mama gave you. You
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can use this feather wand to direct the smoke. And
you start in the basement or the lowest level of
wherever you are, so it doesn't have to be a basement.
I'm from the Midwest. We have basements, so we were
too poor to have a basement. Go ahead, so not
everyone has basements. Started the lowest level of wherever the
spaces that you're clearing, and you work your way up,
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so you enter the room. I recommend opening the windows
if it's climately pleasing, weather dependent, weather dependent, right, you
can open the windows as you begin to cleanse that room.
And you start and then you move counterclockwise through the room.
So for each while the room, you would trace the
smoke wall to wall, across the top of the wall,
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wall to ceiling, down the opposite wall, wall to wall,
and then the floor, or if it's easier for you, you
you can do the floor and reverse that. It doesn't
matter which direction if you do the floor first of
the ceiling first, but what is important and direction of
this is one of my favorite things is moving counter
clockwise moves things out, moves energy out. Yes, and just
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think about it, like if you spend something kind of clockwise,
it moves it out. If you spend clockwise, it moves
it moves it in. So if you are moving clockwise
in your space and you're talking to ghosts, you may
bring some in. So this is a Wharton distinction about
counter clockwise versus clockwise. Thank you for it is my
clockwise pleasure or counter clockwise my counter pleasure. So you
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would move through. You would move through the room in
this way, paying attention to doorways. You would trace the
seam of the doorways. When you have windows, you trace
all four seams of the windows or circle windows, or
whatever shape of window you have, you just trace the
seam of it. Then when you are finished with the
entire room, you've done all four walls or however many walls, right,
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because some rooms have many many walls. And then you
would stand at the place where you entered the room,
so you're about to exit the room, and you would say,
anything that is not aligned to our highest good or
my highest good, leave now. And then you give it
a beat as the energy of the room clears, and
you can wait, or you can think about it um
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and feel into it. Just know that you with your
inten clear and strong, the energy will move out relatively quickly.
You don't have to wait three hours before you close
the windows. It can literally be just a matter of minutes.
And then you move into the hallway, and you do
the hallway, you do each room like that. I'm paying
attention also to mirrors, sinks, toilets, showers, bathtubs, any drains
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you would want to do. I'd like to do an
Infinity sign over those spaces. If you're a ricky person,
you can do the first reiky symbol and then on
the tops of um and through bookshelves or some people
have kitchen cabinets that only go part way up and
there's a space between the top of the cabinet and
the ceiling. You would want to energetically with the feather
and send the smoke up with an Infinity sign to
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move the energy in places that the energy gets stuck.
So in situations like this, it's typically out of spirit
that's been caught there. But energies doesn't flow as smoothly
in tight corners or underneath stairs or things like that,
So you just want to pay a little bit of
extra attention to those space. That's why so many sacred
buildings are around, because energy cannot get stuck right gets
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the energy gets stuck in the corners. Another interesting area
that I found, Brenda in your instructions is I started
to discover a lot of activity around electrical panels and homes,
especially as the electrical use and you know, just the
high tech in the homes gets super sticky. Right. So
I I started doing the infinity symbol and the areas
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where there are electric panels, and because I get I
like this stuff, I would go take photographs of people's
electrical panels and always saw a little ghosts there it is,
it's it's a ghost magnet. Those areas, yes, super super
charged and televisions to you again, you would do the
community sign yes, yeah, okay. So the instructions super helpful.
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So this is how I think the baseline of where
we start. Now here's the other thing that happens is
this is the baseline. I wish there were a set
of instructions that we could give you to tell you
what to do when you encounter certain things. The reality
is sometimes you never know what you're gonna find. So
one of the times that I went out and was
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literally whring myself to everyone in town to go clear
their home. It was for my friend Alex and his
wife Dawn, and I was following Brenna's instructions. I was
moving counterclockwise in the home. I was. The rooms were
count of clockwise. We get to a guess bathroom and
and Susanne is with me as my trustee smudging assistant wife,
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and so we get to this bathroom. I walk in
there and I look over at them. I'm like, what
in the world is going on here? Because my little
spidy sensor, whichie vibe, was telling me something was really
active in this area. I just want to interrupt for
me because this was not your first smudging, now it was.
I just want to point that out. It wasn't my first,
but it was earlier in the smudging, so only fair so.
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But because I was I was very in tune to
the energy and reading the energy and knew someone's going on.
And I also noticed that their little dog, Anna, who
was by the way, has just passed recently, so godless
little Anna that she would never go into that bathroom.
I walk into the bathroom standing there and I lost
I even lost my balance, like that's how big that
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energy was. And I'm like, this isn't good. And so
I'm looking at them going, was there something you guys
need to tell me about this room? And Alex kind
of being a douche bag, he was about at the
time says, well, you know, I just didn't know if
you're the real deal, and I just wanted to test you.
I said, oh you did, did you? And all the
things I went through my head with a lot of expletives.
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He's like, yeah, you know, when we leave in the morning,
you know that door is open, but when we come
home it's closed and locked. I go, really, you didn't
bother telling me that. So what was really interesting that
happened is that I went into this mode of had
to have been some sort of channeling mode where I
looked at Donna's wife, I said, don't get me a
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a little a little bowl that you don't mind saying
goodbye too, because this is not going to You're gonna
bury this when we're done. So I have everybody running
around doing little errands for me to prepare this space.
Of course, I had blessed um salt, I had holy water.
Oh yeah, that place was a mess by the time
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I was done. But I also had this it says St.
Michael's oil. Again. I got it from Etsy, but it worked,
and I put it in the bowl and I looked
at Donna said you'll know when this needs to go,
and She's like, what do you mean. I said, I
don't know, but you'll just know. So all these things happen,
right the series of events, everybody's like getting me the
all my my tools that I need. And what's interesting
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is a few days later I called them, I said, so, guys,
how's it going in your haunted bathroom? And they're like,
it's weird, it's fine, and they're like, how did you
know to do that? I'm like, I don't know. There
was no instruction booklet for this one. I have no
idea how I knew to do this. It was just instinctual.
It was I was being guided, whatever you want to
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call it. And again, those two opening steps of setting
clear intention and keeping your vibe high allows for that
intuition to be amplified in those moments where you needed
the most super critical Yeah, and I needed it. Then
I needed it again when I was clearing her friend's
home and her ghost jumped on my back, and instead
of panicking because I felt the weight of this ghost
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and the son the first time, unfortunately that's happened since
then at least um or the only time it's happened.
But because I was I'm prepared for anything. Now, literally,
I'm prepared for anything that I'm very calm in those
situations because the most important thing of this episode is
for everybody to understand that you are in charge. You
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are in charge over any disembodied spirit and the minute
if you are dealing with something that won't be scary,
the it they sniff that fair on you, they will
take advantage of that. But as long as you I'm
in charge, You're going to boss them around. Because I
do call myself a ghost boss. I do, and I
really call myself that in my head until today. But
I will boss those things around. I'll give them jobs
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for the good ghost and I will tell the bad
ones to leave because they are They're not in charge.
I am in charge. And that is the most important
thing people need to know is that they are in
charge and not to be afraid because you are in charge.
The confidence and the clarity in knowing that, because if
you are faking it, they will know. Oh they so
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they smell it. They do, they literally do. They totally
smell it. But you have You've had some doozies. The
one I wanted to share with you is actually the
first time I was asked to smudge someone's house identity
in my own home. But I had a friend who
had a friend you know that goes right, And she's like,
I have this friend and they have some weird things
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going on, and I can't think of anyone else I
trust but you, And I was like, I don't know,
because they had light bulbs exploding and things flying across
the room and kids getting kicked out of bed in
the night. I mean, it was God. I wish I
would have done you and called me, so I couldn't
do that. It was it was not like, hey, I
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want to create a new business, can we clear my house?
It was like, we'd like to survive a night in
this house. And it was really intense and I didn't
know what to do. So I prayed about it and
meditate on it, and one night I had a dream
that showed me very clearly that I don't need to
be afraid no ghosts not to say that. So I
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had this dream that I woke up knowing that I
had to do this, that this was part of my assignment,
even though I would have been quite happy to pass.
But didn't happen. So my whole thing was if my
friends and my girlfriend Kathy got me into this. She
was coming with me. That was number one. Number two
was the entire family had to be there. It was
none of this the wife's going to do this while
the husband's gone. I'm like, oh no, no, no no, everybody, kids, mom, dad,
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everybody in the house, because right this is happening family wide.
Everybody has to be all bought in. And then because
I was terrified, I literally wore like a pair of
sweats that I with a change of clothes in the
car because I didn't want those clothes coming back into
my house. I was like, I was totally like, let's
lock it down. I was new, I was new, I
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was cautious, and I was glad. I was um. So
when I got there, I had, you know, I had
them repeat the prayer protection from me. Had everyone just
set their intention, and then off we go. We started
in the basement and I said to my friend Kathy,
I want you to smudge that solid wall, like there's
windows in the top row of it. And the woman
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of the house, the wife of the house said there
are actually windows behind that wall, Like why would you
cover up windows? That wasn't the point, but you just
feel like and where there was any opening. So I
totally guided totally. And then we go upstairs and I
want you to smudge the center of this room, like
there's a wall right here. She's like, there used to
be a wall right here. Like this went on at
every point. I'm like, what happened here? Oh yeah, this
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came flying out of the register, so that happened here,
Like it was every floor we went to. There was
like extraordinary confirmation that I was reading the energy right,
that it was helpful, and that when we got to
the pinnacle of the activity upstairs in one of the
children's room, I looked out the back window and I
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said to her, what's going on back there at the
edge of the lot line And she said, well, there's
a river there, I said, or a creek And I said, well,
I can see that, but what's on the other side
of that? And she said, oh, there's a graveyard over there.
I'm like, are you kidding me? Like you couldn't have
told me that before I started this. What is people
not telling us things important information about doors being locked
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in graveyards? And so when we walked the entire perimeter
to with the smudge, and you know, all of us
all at once. When we got over there, you could
literally see that the graveyard was sliding into the the river.
It was it was crazy. It was like I would
so sell this house. Well, what's in the water now,
Like can you bottle that up and it can be
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like spook water. Why would you do that? I don't know,
but it seemed like a good idea at the moment.
It's not a good idea. It's not a good idea
at all. It all worked in the family stayed there.
The happiest can be lived there, you know, decades later. Well,
because you also did some advanced things which you set
up protection barriers for them. And that's the other thing.
And we'll get more advanced, I think, as we continue
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through our journey with everybody here. But that is certainly
sitting at protection helps. One thing that's also really important
in the smunging process that Brendan I both love to
do is that when you're done with your sage stick
or with the left of your bundle, is to put
it into a fireproof container. Because we're all fire safety here.
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We all like smoking the bearer outside the front of
your door. Because for Brenda, it's more of a it's
a symbol clarity that says, this is the boundary. Don't
even think about it me. I'm flipping then the bird,
which is, don't you dare think about coming into this
house a again? Be ever, But I think that's important
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for for the because again that's part of the intention.
And the other thing that I think it's important for
folks to know is and things I've encountered through my
literally hundreds of smudging experiences that I've had, is where
I have found most activity. I'm gonna call it activity.
Probably the best term to use is around objects in
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the home. So whether it is and sometimes it's it's
it's good energy, right. I around pieces of art that
were gifted from uncles who have passed, get things like
that regularly, But it's antiques. Antiques is the number one
category of objects that I have encountered that has more activity,
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and sometimes there have been full on ghosts activity in it.
Sometimes it's residual energy because when we talk about again
the two, we're trying to move stale old energy. But
this whole idea, and of what Brenda talks about energy
management is because you know, energy is everything and everywhere
that if somebody owned an object before you, and maybe
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they hated the object. That energy goes with it. You
also know if they loved it, you also know you
know that that object like they we leave our our
energetic fingerprint imprint on objects things that we own. And
if you're buying something like that and taking it into
your home, yea better clear it. Yeah. And that's not
to say you can't have amazing state jewelry or antique art.
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Just clear it, clear it up. So smudging is certainly
can take you know, the same the same instructions that
you gave us Brenda about seems and going moving into
counterclockwise way and with your intention. I personally am a
big fan of salt, So if there are smaller objects,
I like to use salt because salt will just zap
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the whatever little ghost boogers you might have. It will
just zap them right off of that object in no time.
It just flicks them off right, just flicks them off
the object. Salt is great. Don't eat salt. It's bad
for your cholesterol, but it's fantastic for for ghosts or
is it blood pressure? Blood pressure? Blood pressure? I think
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it's bad. Cholesterol is fat. That's a Twinkies bad for
your blood pressure podcast different podcast right, that's we're getting
the food Brenda. I think we may have covered off
a lot of the most important I think issues surrounding smudging.
What to smudge, how to smudge? Moving energy around? Is
there anything that we've forgotten in this smudge away smudge
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away that is your just to be clear, it is
smudge away well, to be clear, to be click forgive me.
Smudging is a tool your energetic management. Building awareness is
the number one step and this key tool that we
are going to come back to when we've round and
play with and increase your ways so that you can
energetically create the life that supports you, a life that
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you love and that is your home. And that's why
we started there exactly. M M. Thanks for joining us, everyone,
and a special thanks to our producer May Cole, who
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