August 31, 2022 • 32 mins
When a recent move prompts Julie to purge items from her home, the bigger and deeper meaning behind the cleansing takes form.
Today we explore the interconnectedness between physical clutter and emotional baggage. Going through your belongings, whether self-inspired or forced by change, is a powerful way to let go of your past. Yes, you will uncover beloved treasures that you'll forever keep, and you'll also have the opportunity to release the stagnant energy that's holding you back. Today we discuss why keeping the energy around you flowing is essential to your well-being, aligning your physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual bodies.
Earth School is hard, and sometimes the house gets messy. So, the Other side is curious to know: what do you need to release to feel free?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of My Heart Radio. Hi, y'all, I'm Julie. Hi there,
I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side. Now,
y'all need to know that we are obsessed with everything
on the other side. Yes, we are, because once you
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learn to navigate the energetic, or to some the invisible world,
life is going to be more fun and much more serene. Heck,
yes it can, because let's be honest, Brian, earth school
is hard. In fact, you taught me that, let's crush
Earth School together. Well, hello, my WITCHI poo. How in
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the hell's bells are you? Oh my elf, I'm doing
just fine. Now the question is how are you? Oh
my god, strung out all the best ways going out?
And you did it to yourself and we did it
to ourselves. And I'm not sure if we've talked about,
but Susanne and I are moving again. We're going to
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Santa Fe. It's such, oh my gosh, it's like bucket
list type of place to live and we're just so
incredibly excited. But we're moving from you know, rather large
home in Arkansas to yeah to it. Yeah, because it's
in Arkansas too, you know, a normal size house and
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Santa Fe So we're going through the purge and that's
so so we're calling this the purchase. Of course. I
just everybody. This is to you listeners, not to you, Brenda.
But I just said something about the purge to Brenda
said you don't have to name things after movies. She's like, oh,
I didn't know that was a movie from you. I
know you guys didn't know. It just makes me love
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you more. But it's so ironic about out this episode
and what I'm actually wearing is I have on a
fifteen year old shitty T shirt from The Gap that
I chose not to purge. This is what's funny. It's like,
we're talking about the purge and I'm wearing I'm sure
that I couldn't pay somebody to take that is awesome.
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It makes no sense. And the truth is you get
to make all the choices, right yeah, um, and you
and I both are going I mean, you've been doing this.
I'm on the other side of it. So you're on
the other side of a purge. Because my mom moved
from my childhood home where she was for fifty two
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years hello into a dow bedroom, a lovely two bedroom
apartment in good size two bedroom apartment, and so it
was the right move for her. She was really excited
to downsize, and she had been literally working like going
through closets and things like that since January, and it's
steadily he's doing, you know. And it was so funny
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because I got there and I said to her, oh, pictures,
Like there was just a stack of photo albums and
pictures and I was so excited to go through. And
she's like, Oh, it's so funny because you're like pictures, yeah,
and have like pictures. Oh God, not more pictures. That's
so funny. So I will be scanning good on Sandy.
I mean, that's a big job. She's something like this extraordinary, extraordinary.
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She's like, I'm doing this so you and Sarah don't
have to. I'm like, oh my god, who does that, right?
I mean, all the all my peers are like, oh
my god, I can't get my parents out of there.
And there's so much crap, and you know, and my
mom's never lived like that, She's never had tons of crap,
but fifty two years in a place, there's just a
lot of stuff. You know, so I love good for Sandy.
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It right, well, and here's you wonder what we talked
about because just everybody knows Brenda of course has to
guiden through life as I go through things like this, um,
and you know, we've talked on the show a lot
about you know, emotional baggage and purging emotional things, and
I think it would be interesting, and we wanted to
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talk about the physical purge because they're not They're there.
They are, they are They're connected, inseparable, right, they are inseparable.
First of all, just we know that when you give
humans more than three choices, it's extra hard. It's exponentially hard,
like if there's a fourth, that there's a fifth, if
there's a seventh's exponentially hard for us to process. And
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the exhaustion factor. I mean, we've mom, and I even
giggled about it the week after the big move when
I was like, Mom, I just need to apologize to you,
because it was like I was two years old again, Mom, Mom, Mom,
like do you want this? What are you gonna do
with this? She's because I'm like I don't want to.
I don't want to mess with her stuff, Like I
don't want to move something or leave something behind that
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she needs. But and so she had to make all
those choices and I'm like, oh god, it's so hard.
So that's hard. That's hard on her, and it's funny
as a kid. This is not part of what I
thought we were going to talk about. But really quickly
is you know when my mom was sick and it
was a ten year illness, right, and I never once
touched her stuff, and it was out of respect. It's like,
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this is my mom and this is her stuff. Except
I can't lie. I mean, I did ask her. I
didn't touch it, but I asked her because she had
cat Fancy and Consumer Reports dating back to the seventies.
I'm like, Mom, can I get rid of these magazines?
Leave my ship alone? When she said to me my
ship alone? And I pulled out of Consumer Reports that
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was literally dated nineteen seventies something, and she goes, I
may need that someday. I'm like, all right, there's your answer.
Well it was. It was also an Alzheimer's answer, but
it was an answer. Nonetheless, that's what happens when you asked,
you know. It was amazing, just my mom's like, what
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is this I'm throwing this out. I'm like, mom, that's cool,
I'm going to take that. She well, I was going
to ask you, did she actually send you packing with
things like get this out of my hair? Or she
just I think she gave me was my high school
graduation portrait? You know, like that was a thing right
back in the day. She's like, hey, this is yours.
Like the subtext was she didn't say this, Hey, this
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is yours was what she said, with the subtexts get
your shirt on my house exactly. I don't. I was like, okay, sure,
I happen to take that. I think it with the
other pictures, but that wasn't the one I was interested in.
That's it's so funny. It's um, it's it's that's I
cannot tell you. I went through days of that like
solid I can't even imagine. I can't even imagine. And
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why don't we take a break and I'm gonna tell
you a few stories when we come back about that
and welcome back. Oh my god, So I just stab
her into high school and prtorit everybody. It is a
sun er. It is it is this. The hair was
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everything classic. Yeah, So let's just because it was that
I could shoot the ship all day about this because
it's all I've done lately. But about the emotional impact,
because you had like it's it's one thing to be
physically exhausting, because exhausted because it is so much physical work.
You have to touch every single thing you put in
that giant house, right, and you did it thoughtfully, like
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you didn't bring it a lot from California like you
guys we did. That's what we learned, actually more than
we thought. And that's the funny thing is that because
I think the thinking was at the time, it's like
such a big house, who cares? Just take it? And
uh huh. So the part that actually took us the
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most time I was dealing with the stuff we brought
from California, but that was also brought to California from Oklahoma, Texas.
So this is what I'm going to talk about. The
emotional part of this thing about literal baggage. It is baggage, right,
it is right there. And it was interesting. It was
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because Susanne and I both had these big boxes of
our childhood, big boxes photographs, lots of photographs. And then also,
and here's here's a rule. Everybody if you want to
embark on this. If you see a photograph and you
recognize you in it, but no one else, get rid
of it. I stumbled upon things. I'm like, I don't
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know who the hell this is. I mean, I literally,
I'm like, I don't I don't know this person. Or
if you can't remember their name, you don't need it.
I also found this is the funniest thing. I have
a picture of it that I will share. Apparently in
I was a registered Republican. I found the voting card Oklahoma.
I'm sure my mother made me do it, Let's be honest.
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I was like nineteen is I think it was the
first time I could vote. And I'm sure my mom.
In fact, odds are she's the one who registered me.
And so I see. I took a picture of it,
and because it's plastic, I decided not to burn it.
If it were paper, I would have burned it. But
I looked at I'm like, well, what do you know
about that? The big Lesbo lib was once a registered Republican.
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It was pretty funny transformation there, right, And I found
I found a fancy document. I took a picture of it,
A fancy document that was apparently sent to me by
the Oklahoma State Legislature congratulating me on all my golf
golfing success. It was unopened. Isn't that hilarious? That is classic? God?
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That was like, I'm like, what is this? And I
don't know if it was in my I think it's
probably mom ship. And then it all got mixed because
like all moms stuff and my stuff got thrown into
these boxes. Oh my god, please frame that, just keep
that from it. It's so damn funny. Isn't that hilarious.
It's like the for that moment in time, the pride
of Oklahoma from the you know, state government. And I
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didn't even know that document existed, didn't even open it. Yeah,
isn't that funny? That's so me though. That's a completely classic, classical. Yeah,
the government needs something from me. I got stuff going on, right,
especially it's seventeen or however old I was. It's like,
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what do I care? I didn't even really understand because again,
Oklahoma educational system. I don't think I really understood, um,
the architecture of our of our globe, of our government.
I probably just didn't care. Oh crazy things right that
that you find. But here's what happened, um, and you
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actually said it like one of the reasons that we
were here was in order for me to let go
of the past. And and letting go is like when
you said, they're intrinsically linked, the physical stuff and the
emotional stuff. So I let go of high school yearbooks.
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I don't need those. I never look at him. Why
the hell am I keeping them? You know. I let
go of a lot of golf memorabilia because that's part
of my past. I don't need all that. I am.
Actually my friend Audre Burke's who I was on the
ou golf team with me. We're still really good friends,
and she and her wife live because of course we're
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half of most of us were gay. Um. She and
her wife live in Springfield, Illinois, and uh Mel is
a huge fan by the way of the show, so
she'll be all excited to hear this part. But Um,
I texted um Audra because I had a lot of
team pictures like my mom. It was just crazy. So
I texted Audre and I was joking and I said, well,
I have my golf ball, I got my hole and
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one do you want it? She's yes, send it to me.
Because I was gonna throw it away. I don't need that,
you know, And I'm sure it's it's she'll throw it
away hopefully one day soon. Um and then um and
and then my my niece Max was interested in some
of my newspaper clipping, so I'm gonna ship that off
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to Max because there's like headlines that say a gift
for golf, like all those like really great articles that
I don't look at. I don't need. And here's the
realization Susanne and I had when her sister Sally passed
when she jumped was Sally, wasn't wasn't married, didn't have kids.
And Susanne remembers walking around her house going, these are
all Sally's memories and nobody wants them and and that
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and Susanne and I are looking at this, going, we
don't have kids, nobody wants this ship of ours. They
just don't what doesn't have a meaning for them? They
did because it's the it's the stories that the ship carries.
Like my mom, My mom had my grandparents photo album
that had all of their European trips and in Alaska
and California, and I mean hours we spent pouring over
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those because let's face it, like, okay, for me, when
I was a kid at their house, everyone was watching football,
well you know, a flatline on sports, right, So I
would spend hours going over and I was so excited
to see that again, right, So it's the it's the
memory of that, like hearing that noise in the background
of the because I was always in the next room,
like nobody's paying attention to me, sort of like I mean,
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you know, I mean with my own little self and
happy as can be looking at that those pictures and like, oh,
my grandmother was so stylish, and you know, it was
just really sweet. It was because you were there, because
meaning to you were party, you were part of the memory,
right right right. And these kids, our nieces and nephews,
they don't give two ships about this stuff. They weren't there.
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They didn't want, you know, it's just not their thing.
And so we are doing in a certain way what
your mom is doing, is that we're sparing those that
will be inheriting one day the hassle and the heartache
of actually having to toss our stuff because there is
heartache attached to it, Like, because that's part of what
I've been dealing with with my mom's stuff. It's like,
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I don't need all of her stuff. And for the record,
she was with me all day and then and the
baby get rid of it. Maybe dump it, honey, you
don't need that baby, baby because she she always called
me baby. She called me baby that whole day. She
was like doing that comforting mom. Things makes me want
to cry thinking about it. And but it's like, you
don't need this well, and you love me, And I
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will say that so often in the moment, like that's
all you have of them is the things that are
left behind. But then eventually what happens is it loses
that spark and then it just becomes stuff that takes
up space. Because you carry them in your heart, you
ca with them and how you live and how the
stories you tell about them. Right, there's the saying, and
I don't know which culture it comes from, it's probably
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many cultures, but that you know, people we die to deaths.
The first is when the physical body gives way, and
the second is when someone speaks our name or tells
our story for the last time, right, right, And so
when you get to speak of your loved ones, that's
keeping them alive. That's honoring them. Of course, there are
things that have meaning for us, but you know, it's
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just that that thing. So I and God knows, I
have both my parents roaming my house, so it's not
like they're here. And not everybody has that luxury, but
it is, but I do have that luxury. And so
out of probably three or four rather sizable boxes, I
walked away of my mom's stuff with a handful exactly
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fits in the palm of my hand. And one was
remember those tiny watches from like oh, Gosha forties fifties,
you know, like I mean, I don't even know how
they it was, yeah, and it had like the metal
elastic band, you know, kind of thing. So I kept
moms so I have hers. And then she also wore
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I'm going to call it a gold letter M. I'm
not sure it was gold, but we're going to call
it that for now. It could have been spray paint,
it doesn't matter, but it's it was an M that
she wore and that I would were the mum and
my will stand for motherfucker. But I just I have
a handful of this these things. And but there were
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things that mattered. They were like and they hold energy,
because I'm going to tell you I had him. I
was holding into my left hand walking from the garage
back to my office where I have like this little
box of moms things because I have a few other
things in there that are hers. And the entire time,
she's showing me videos of her when she had that
watch on. And I actually think that the best times
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in her life were actually when she wore that watch.
I think I think she loved having kids, but I
think the best time of her life was not the
kids part. I mean the fun part of her life.
It was a different you know, and I can totally
cop to them. It doesn't hurt my feelings, but I
think I think it was the best time for her.
And she was showing me all of these scenes and
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and it wasn't the letter m it was the watch,
and so it was like it was the watch and
so um, and that holds energy. I mean that holds energy.
It's psychometry, right. Any time any metal that we wear
over and over, whether it's a wedding ring or a
watch or whatever it is, you know, favorite whatever it
takes on our energy. For sure. That's well, that's what
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Tyler Henry reads from yeah, that's how much. I mean
he reads from objects, you know, which is it's cool, right,
but apparently I can do that. Now wait a minute,
you may have Nita Margaret assist with that, but yeah,
I still did. That's awesome. I know how to feel
the word. The word I want to call say it's
a pyromaniac, but that's not the words. Close. And with
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that close, we'll take a break and welcome back. Thank
you to myself and all our listeners. You know, it's
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uh And I think what was so incredible about it,
and this is what you really surfaced for me the
other day was being able to do this home or
close enough to home, and and it's yeah, neighboring because
it was you know, I was able to sit there
with these things and on our mom because this is
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a big mom thing for me. It was such a
big mom thing. It was, you know, with this, this
this move here was able was allowed me to just
come to peace, you know, whether it was taking her
ashes to the Episcopal church and Miama on my last birthday,
you know, and on this birthday, for the most part,
I'm purging all of this stuff and to do it
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here is um it couldn't have happened anyplace else, like
it had to happen here. And and it's so funny
because I also know there are people that don't have
relationships with either their mom or their dad like I
did with my mom, And so I understand that I
am probably something very dramatic to some people. But the relationship,
the bond that I have with her deserves the drama.
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I mean, yeah, I wrote a book about losing her.
It was so devastating to me. I mean, it's just
it's uh so to those that might sound dramatic, just
please bear with me, because it feels that way. I
mean it is, yeah, soul mates, like this is definitely
not our first round and will not be her last,
it feels sure, but it was this is the right
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place to do it. And then I and then I ink.
The other part of it that is so amazing is
I feel so free and I feel like I just
made space for what's to come next, whatever it may be. Well,
and and this is so extraordinary, like it's such an
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important element. Like not everyone's moving right now, even though
I literally have like five people who are really close
to me moving like really core. That weird. Yeah, it's
very strange. And then so what for me whatever, What
I find over and over in the decades of running
my own business is that granted, we've all went through
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the pandemic differently, and how I went through it is
I didn't take a day off for two years. Don't
recommend it. But so I was just so aware. I
had one closet, particularly where I would take the like
what I call the production like the lights and the
cameras and the microphones. Let you know that I would
use for all the web you know, webcasting and teaching
virtually and everything like on a closet, and so all
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this stuff got piled in as I used different microphones
or different lights are different, you know. So one it's
a pretty good sized closet, but it I couldn't even
get into it anymore. I was like, I have got
to get this is making me crazy. Of course, I'm
totally drafting Alpha Sandy's you know, like open House, Avery House,
even though I hadn't been there yet. It could feel
I feel I'm like, I'm going to use Sandy's my inspiration.
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I'm doing this. And I cleaned out this closet and
it took four days, like I emptied the entire closet
into the office and went down to my office in
the basement. So I went down to the concrete, like
and scrub the concrete and you know, and and then
put stuff back. And now it's so orderly and and
the energy moves and the spaciousness, and I'm just so
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proud of my little closet and it just it just
it it brings joy and ease to the entire nervous system.
Just like it created tension, like I couldn't get to it.
I couldn't get to it, and it was making me crazy.
And and energy can flow. It's just so supportive and
so essential to our well being to have that energetic
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emotional and mental and physical alignment with who we are
and who we are preparing to become. Like that's what
it does. It it lays down that energetic plat path
of clarity that says, keep unfolding, keep expanding, keep exploring
your expression of your spirit here embodied in your school.
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Like that's what clearing out those corners does. It's amazing,
it's amazing, and it's exactly what that feels like. And
Susan and I have kept talking about it's like, you know,
there's those stupid fucking books that try to tell you
how to get rid of stuff and hold it to
your heart. Da da dada da da da. By the way,
I wouldn't have slept for a month if I take
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every object and do something stupid to me. But it's
it's more about we called things our greatest hits. Let's
pick our greatest hits. Everything else. Oh, I love that
because you've had so many great hits. Why would you
have anything less than that in your house? Exactly right,
So let's pick our greatest hits. And even if it,
you know, because people have been well, this that has value,
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I'm like, you're talking monetary man. Take it. It's like
this is not I'm not looking for that. I'm looking
for the things that represent us and who we are
and where we are today and where and again where
we want to be and all of those things. So
obviously the crystals uh first by me because nobody's love
to put their paws on it, But it's also who
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we are. In fact, we're turning one of our rooms
in our new house once. It's because we bought a house.
It needs to be renovated. By the way, that's built
around nineteen on the old Santa Fe Trail. Yeah, it
like has a significant historic representation is a town, and
it's gonna be amazing and it's going to be like
this spiritual center. It is going to hold so much
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space for so many people. And that's what we want
to do. That's the that's what that's your standard that
you're making those choices against. That's exactly right. And this
is not about well so and so that I haven't
seen in twenty years. Gave me this little glass from
the hula huh, which was awesome in the moment and
by and I get to release it, right, And it's
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all about making space for the grace. Right. That that's
the mantra, right, and making space for the grace. And
I don't have to know exactly what's going to unfold
or what I like, you have a vision exactly for
how this renovation and your living dynamic will hold the
space for the community and visitors. We don't always have
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to have that vision knowing exactly what it's going to bring.
Making space for the grace and trust and faith in
the divine and in your spiritual practices will be laying
down the frequency that is perfect for your next unfoldment.
Like that's what that's not for nothing. We're going to
have labradorite countertops in our bathroom. We're going to have
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Amazon night um howers. Oh yes, your elf has found
it and can source it. And when the house closes,
because it hasn't closed yet it will in days. That
is when I hit the order button. I mean, it's
we're we're about a vibe, like our house is going
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to be. It's about a vibe. It's like walk into
our kitchen and it literally will sparkle with So now
I'm wondering, you know, will the vibes store expand it's offering. Well,
it's funny you say that. Yes, that's my plan. Actually,
so we might do some have a business to business
side of what we're doing. And I think I might
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be the right because I think the next place where
we all need to get to is how do we
build this into our home? You know, do not just
set something on a counter, but how about that count
be something that holds a great one. You know how
they have those little circles or whatever that you can
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charge your iPhone or you know, whatever device, so you
can just lay it on in charge, so like all
your food you prepare on your kitchen counters gets totally charged. Right,
it's exactly right, It's exactly right. And then also like
the reason I want to have Amazonite in the bathroom,
it's all about going with the flow. And it's the
water energy because it's called Amazonite because the color of
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the of of what the Amazon once was. Um, I
don't know if it's the same color now, but like
it's like all the all the choices are very intentional
with the stones we want to use. Susanne of course
once wherose courts in our bathroom, so I will adhere
to her request. Um, you get figure out a way
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to do something in the bedroom. I'm just saying, yeah,
that's well, yes, yes, well every Sue's her favorite thing
is rose courts. It was everything regarding that whole area
of the house will all be rose courts. But we're
really excited in the closets in it. Oh my god.
Oh well here's the other thing is so imagine I
can't believe now we're talking about home design, but imagine
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like even a shower floor, right, and you could actually
anybody could do this. You could just you could just
get tumbled rose cords and you can use mortar and
you can actually make that the floor of your shower.
You don't have to get these other pieces, um, and
so it's all possible. That's so fun. That's so fun,
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and you get to bathe and love every day. It's
so great. Exactly right. Who would be mad at that?
Nobody and so evil people would be mad at that,
which is why you want it. And we're gonna put
black turtling in our walls, so even though they're because
they have to rewire the house. Yeah, well the thing
is there adobe walls, so you don't really take those down,
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but to reward you have to kind of cut into it.
So I'm gonna put some in there when they cut
into it. Oh yeah, yes, I might even had a
black trimline garden in the front. You never know. My god,
Oh my god, this is gonna I cannot wait to
visit this place. See, this is what the purge does though, right,
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also a T shirt I'm wearing. And it also creates
space for creativity. Right, you can't create when you're maxed out, right,
you can't create. You can't build something more when you
are literally energetically or physically maxed out with all your stuff.
You have to create space to create more to right,
to create the opportunity, the potential to hold what more
you can create in your life. So if you're looking
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to manifest perch, if you're looking to heel perche right,
if you're looking to love more purge, It's very true though,
because I feel free, I feel space, like likeness and shoulders.
The energy flows, right. It was so good. Congratulations, my
own thank you the purge. And apparently I you know,
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let's recap here. I apparently was a Republican once in
my life docup from Oklahoma state government I didn't know existed.
I get rid of a lot of photos and then
we have Brenda's high school picture that I get to see.
I saw pictures I've never seen like, and you know,
the photos I kept were really just, I mean primarily
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we're just my family, you know. They were like pictures
of mom and dad and my crazy aunt Marlene, A boy,
she was busy to ps um. You know, I kept those.
I I just it's that's the only thing. I mean.
I went from boxes to literally you guys can't see this,
but I'm holding up my hands about Yeah, about six
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inches and that is all I kept. Yeah, it's perfect.
Susanne did the same thing, so free the bags of clothes. Yeah,
greatest hits. It's all about the greatest hits. I did
the same with jewelry, did the same. I mean everything,
just kept the greatest hits. Congratulations, thank you, and so
all of you. I wouldn't repeat where you just said, Brenda,
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if you want to make some room, if you want
to heal in a different way that maybe didn't think
was possible, because I'm telling you it was healing. Getting
rid of things did not take anybody further away from me.
It brought them closer to me. It doesn't diminish anything, right, Yeah,
and someone else gets to love it, right if you
if you passed it off to people you know, or
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to take it to a resource that redistributes things like
it's Brenda. I've had We've had two people at Uhles
to come take some of our stuff that we gave them.
We've had you holes and they love everything. And Nanna,
Sanna made out like a bandit. And and I gave
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her one of my favorite pieces of art because I
don't have room for it. But I know that she'll
love it like it's where it belongs. It's perfect, and
that's exactly what happens. Yes, yeah, but you know you're
in trouble when your friends were at you holes. I
mean that's a very les me and joke in there somewhere.
I mean, we just Candida. These gays cannot escape escape
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you holes up here. But yeah, we've had two. It's awesome. Well,
thanks for listening, everyone, and we hope we've inspired you
to consider new ways to engage your life and remember
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Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of My Heart Radio. Hi, y'all, I'm Julie. Hi there,
I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side. Now,
y'all need to know that we are obsessed with everything
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learn to navigate the energetic, or to some the invisible world,
life is going to be more fun and much more serene. Heck,
yes it can, because let's be honest, Brian, earth school
is hard. In fact, you taught me that, let's crush
Earth School together. Well, hello, my WITCHI poo. How in
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the hell's bells are you? Oh my elf, I'm doing
just fine. Now the question is how are you? Oh
my god, strung out all the best ways going out?
And you did it to yourself and we did it
to ourselves. And I'm not sure if we've talked about,
but Susanne and I are moving again. We're going to
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Santa Fe. It's such, oh my gosh, it's like bucket
list type of place to live and we're just so
incredibly excited. But we're moving from you know, rather large
home in Arkansas to yeah to it. Yeah, because it's
in Arkansas too, you know, a normal size house and
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Santa Fe So we're going through the purge and that's
so so we're calling this the purchase. Of course. I
just everybody. This is to you listeners, not to you, Brenda.
But I just said something about the purge to Brenda
said you don't have to name things after movies. She's like, oh,
I didn't know that was a movie from you. I
know you guys didn't know. It just makes me love
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you more. But it's so ironic about out this episode
and what I'm actually wearing is I have on a
fifteen year old shitty T shirt from The Gap that
I chose not to purge. This is what's funny. It's like,
we're talking about the purge and I'm wearing I'm sure
that I couldn't pay somebody to take that is awesome.
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It makes no sense. And the truth is you get
to make all the choices, right yeah, um, and you
and I both are going I mean, you've been doing this.
I'm on the other side of it. So you're on
the other side of a purge. Because my mom moved
from my childhood home where she was for fifty two
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years hello into a dow bedroom, a lovely two bedroom
apartment in good size two bedroom apartment, and so it
was the right move for her. She was really excited
to downsize, and she had been literally working like going
through closets and things like that since January, and it's
steadily he's doing, you know. And it was so funny
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because I got there and I said to her, oh, pictures,
Like there was just a stack of photo albums and
pictures and I was so excited to go through. And
she's like, Oh, it's so funny because you're like pictures, yeah,
and have like pictures. Oh God, not more pictures. That's
so funny. So I will be scanning good on Sandy.
I mean, that's a big job. She's something like this extraordinary, extraordinary.
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She's like, I'm doing this so you and Sarah don't
have to. I'm like, oh my god, who does that, right?
I mean, all the all my peers are like, oh
my god, I can't get my parents out of there.
And there's so much crap, and you know, and my
mom's never lived like that, She's never had tons of crap,
but fifty two years in a place, there's just a
lot of stuff. You know, so I love good for Sandy.
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It right, well, and here's you wonder what we talked
about because just everybody knows Brenda of course has to
guiden through life as I go through things like this, um,
and you know, we've talked on the show a lot
about you know, emotional baggage and purging emotional things, and
I think it would be interesting, and we wanted to
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talk about the physical purge because they're not They're there.
They are, they are They're connected, inseparable, right, they are inseparable.
First of all, just we know that when you give
humans more than three choices, it's extra hard. It's exponentially hard,
like if there's a fourth, that there's a fifth, if
there's a seventh's exponentially hard for us to process. And
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the exhaustion factor. I mean, we've mom, and I even
giggled about it the week after the big move when
I was like, Mom, I just need to apologize to you,
because it was like I was two years old again, Mom, Mom, Mom,
like do you want this? What are you gonna do
with this? She's because I'm like I don't want to.
I don't want to mess with her stuff, Like I
don't want to move something or leave something behind that
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she needs. But and so she had to make all
those choices and I'm like, oh god, it's so hard.
So that's hard. That's hard on her, and it's funny
as a kid. This is not part of what I
thought we were going to talk about. But really quickly
is you know when my mom was sick and it
was a ten year illness, right, and I never once
touched her stuff, and it was out of respect. It's like,
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this is my mom and this is her stuff. Except
I can't lie. I mean, I did ask her. I
didn't touch it, but I asked her because she had
cat Fancy and Consumer Reports dating back to the seventies.
I'm like, Mom, can I get rid of these magazines?
Leave my ship alone? When she said to me my
ship alone? And I pulled out of Consumer Reports that
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was literally dated nineteen seventies something, and she goes, I
may need that someday. I'm like, all right, there's your answer.
Well it was. It was also an Alzheimer's answer, but
it was an answer. Nonetheless, that's what happens when you asked,
you know. It was amazing, just my mom's like, what
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is this I'm throwing this out. I'm like, mom, that's cool,
I'm going to take that. She well, I was going
to ask you, did she actually send you packing with
things like get this out of my hair? Or she
just I think she gave me was my high school
graduation portrait? You know, like that was a thing right
back in the day. She's like, hey, this is yours.
Like the subtext was she didn't say this, Hey, this
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is yours was what she said, with the subtexts get
your shirt on my house exactly. I don't. I was like, okay, sure,
I happen to take that. I think it with the
other pictures, but that wasn't the one I was interested in.
That's it's so funny. It's um, it's it's that's I
cannot tell you. I went through days of that like
solid I can't even imagine. I can't even imagine. And
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why don't we take a break and I'm gonna tell
you a few stories when we come back about that
and welcome back. Oh my god, So I just stab
her into high school and prtorit everybody. It is a
sun er. It is it is this. The hair was
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everything classic. Yeah, So let's just because it was that
I could shoot the ship all day about this because
it's all I've done lately. But about the emotional impact,
because you had like it's it's one thing to be
physically exhausting, because exhausted because it is so much physical work.
You have to touch every single thing you put in
that giant house, right, and you did it thoughtfully, like
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you didn't bring it a lot from California like you
guys we did. That's what we learned, actually more than
we thought. And that's the funny thing is that because
I think the thinking was at the time, it's like
such a big house, who cares? Just take it? And
uh huh. So the part that actually took us the
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most time I was dealing with the stuff we brought
from California, but that was also brought to California from Oklahoma, Texas.
So this is what I'm going to talk about. The
emotional part of this thing about literal baggage. It is baggage, right,
it is right there. And it was interesting. It was
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because Susanne and I both had these big boxes of
our childhood, big boxes photographs, lots of photographs. And then also,
and here's here's a rule. Everybody if you want to
embark on this. If you see a photograph and you
recognize you in it, but no one else, get rid
of it. I stumbled upon things. I'm like, I don't
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know who the hell this is. I mean, I literally,
I'm like, I don't I don't know this person. Or
if you can't remember their name, you don't need it.
I also found this is the funniest thing. I have
a picture of it that I will share. Apparently in
I was a registered Republican. I found the voting card Oklahoma.
I'm sure my mother made me do it, Let's be honest.
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I was like nineteen is I think it was the
first time I could vote. And I'm sure my mom.
In fact, odds are she's the one who registered me.
And so I see. I took a picture of it,
and because it's plastic, I decided not to burn it.
If it were paper, I would have burned it. But
I looked at I'm like, well, what do you know
about that? The big Lesbo lib was once a registered Republican.
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It was pretty funny transformation there, right, And I found
I found a fancy document. I took a picture of it,
A fancy document that was apparently sent to me by
the Oklahoma State Legislature congratulating me on all my golf
golfing success. It was unopened. Isn't that hilarious? That is classic? God?
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That was like, I'm like, what is this? And I
don't know if it was in my I think it's
probably mom ship. And then it all got mixed because
like all moms stuff and my stuff got thrown into
these boxes. Oh my god, please frame that, just keep
that from it. It's so damn funny. Isn't that hilarious.
It's like the for that moment in time, the pride
of Oklahoma from the you know, state government. And I
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didn't even know that document existed, didn't even open it. Yeah,
isn't that funny? That's so me though. That's a completely classic, classical. Yeah,
the government needs something from me. I got stuff going on, right,
especially it's seventeen or however old I was. It's like,
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what do I care? I didn't even really understand because again,
Oklahoma educational system. I don't think I really understood, um,
the architecture of our of our globe, of our government.
I probably just didn't care. Oh crazy things right that
that you find. But here's what happened, um, and you
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actually said it like one of the reasons that we
were here was in order for me to let go
of the past. And and letting go is like when
you said, they're intrinsically linked, the physical stuff and the
emotional stuff. So I let go of high school yearbooks.
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I don't need those. I never look at him. Why
the hell am I keeping them? You know. I let
go of a lot of golf memorabilia because that's part
of my past. I don't need all that. I am.
Actually my friend Audre Burke's who I was on the
ou golf team with me. We're still really good friends,
and she and her wife live because of course we're
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half of most of us were gay. Um. She and
her wife live in Springfield, Illinois, and uh Mel is
a huge fan by the way of the show, so
she'll be all excited to hear this part. But Um,
I texted um Audra because I had a lot of
team pictures like my mom. It was just crazy. So
I texted Audre and I was joking and I said, well,
I have my golf ball, I got my hole and
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one do you want it? She's yes, send it to me.
Because I was gonna throw it away. I don't need that,
you know, And I'm sure it's it's she'll throw it
away hopefully one day soon. Um and then um and
and then my my niece Max was interested in some
of my newspaper clipping, so I'm gonna ship that off
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to Max because there's like headlines that say a gift
for golf, like all those like really great articles that
I don't look at. I don't need. And here's the
realization Susanne and I had when her sister Sally passed
when she jumped was Sally, wasn't wasn't married, didn't have kids.
And Susanne remembers walking around her house going, these are
all Sally's memories and nobody wants them and and that
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and Susanne and I are looking at this, going, we
don't have kids, nobody wants this ship of ours. They
just don't what doesn't have a meaning for them? They
did because it's the it's the stories that the ship carries.
Like my mom, My mom had my grandparents photo album
that had all of their European trips and in Alaska
and California, and I mean hours we spent pouring over
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those because let's face it, like, okay, for me, when
I was a kid at their house, everyone was watching football,
well you know, a flatline on sports, right, So I
would spend hours going over and I was so excited
to see that again, right, So it's the it's the
memory of that, like hearing that noise in the background
of the because I was always in the next room,
like nobody's paying attention to me, sort of like I mean,
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you know, I mean with my own little self and
happy as can be looking at that those pictures and like, oh,
my grandmother was so stylish, and you know, it was
just really sweet. It was because you were there, because
meaning to you were party, you were part of the memory,
right right right. And these kids, our nieces and nephews,
they don't give two ships about this stuff. They weren't there.
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They didn't want, you know, it's just not their thing.
And so we are doing in a certain way what
your mom is doing, is that we're sparing those that
will be inheriting one day the hassle and the heartache
of actually having to toss our stuff because there is
heartache attached to it, Like, because that's part of what
I've been dealing with with my mom's stuff. It's like,
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I don't need all of her stuff. And for the record,
she was with me all day and then and the
baby get rid of it. Maybe dump it, honey, you
don't need that baby, baby because she she always called
me baby. She called me baby that whole day. She
was like doing that comforting mom. Things makes me want
to cry thinking about it. And but it's like, you
don't need this well, and you love me, And I
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will say that so often in the moment, like that's
all you have of them is the things that are
left behind. But then eventually what happens is it loses
that spark and then it just becomes stuff that takes
up space. Because you carry them in your heart, you
ca with them and how you live and how the
stories you tell about them. Right, there's the saying, and
I don't know which culture it comes from, it's probably
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many cultures, but that you know, people we die to deaths.
The first is when the physical body gives way, and
the second is when someone speaks our name or tells
our story for the last time, right, right, And so
when you get to speak of your loved ones, that's
keeping them alive. That's honoring them. Of course, there are
things that have meaning for us, but you know, it's
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just that that thing. So I and God knows, I
have both my parents roaming my house, so it's not
like they're here. And not everybody has that luxury, but
it is, but I do have that luxury. And so
out of probably three or four rather sizable boxes, I
walked away of my mom's stuff with a handful exactly
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fits in the palm of my hand. And one was
remember those tiny watches from like oh, Gosha forties fifties,
you know, like I mean, I don't even know how
they it was, yeah, and it had like the metal
elastic band, you know, kind of thing. So I kept
moms so I have hers. And then she also wore
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I'm going to call it a gold letter M. I'm
not sure it was gold, but we're going to call
it that for now. It could have been spray paint,
it doesn't matter, but it's it was an M that
she wore and that I would were the mum and
my will stand for motherfucker. But I just I have
a handful of this these things. And but there were
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things that mattered. They were like and they hold energy,
because I'm going to tell you I had him. I
was holding into my left hand walking from the garage
back to my office where I have like this little
box of moms things because I have a few other
things in there that are hers. And the entire time,
she's showing me videos of her when she had that
watch on. And I actually think that the best times
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in her life were actually when she wore that watch.
I think I think she loved having kids, but I
think the best time of her life was not the
kids part. I mean the fun part of her life.
It was a different you know, and I can totally
cop to them. It doesn't hurt my feelings, but I
think I think it was the best time for her.
And she was showing me all of these scenes and
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and it wasn't the letter m it was the watch,
and so it was like it was the watch and
so um, and that holds energy. I mean that holds energy.
It's psychometry, right. Any time any metal that we wear
over and over, whether it's a wedding ring or a
watch or whatever it is, you know, favorite whatever it
takes on our energy. For sure. That's well, that's what
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Tyler Henry reads from yeah, that's how much. I mean
he reads from objects, you know, which is it's cool, right,
but apparently I can do that. Now wait a minute,
you may have Nita Margaret assist with that, but yeah,
I still did. That's awesome. I know how to feel
the word. The word I want to call say it's
a pyromaniac, but that's not the words. Close. And with
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that close, we'll take a break and welcome back. Thank
you to myself and all our listeners. You know, it's
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uh And I think what was so incredible about it,
and this is what you really surfaced for me the
other day was being able to do this home or
close enough to home, and and it's yeah, neighboring because
it was you know, I was able to sit there
with these things and on our mom because this is
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a big mom thing for me. It was such a
big mom thing. It was, you know, with this, this
this move here was able was allowed me to just
come to peace, you know, whether it was taking her
ashes to the Episcopal church and Miama on my last birthday,
you know, and on this birthday, for the most part,
I'm purging all of this stuff and to do it
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here is um it couldn't have happened anyplace else, like
it had to happen here. And and it's so funny
because I also know there are people that don't have
relationships with either their mom or their dad like I
did with my mom, And so I understand that I
am probably something very dramatic to some people. But the relationship,
the bond that I have with her deserves the drama.
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I mean, yeah, I wrote a book about losing her.
It was so devastating to me. I mean, it's just
it's uh so to those that might sound dramatic, just
please bear with me, because it feels that way. I
mean it is, yeah, soul mates, like this is definitely
not our first round and will not be her last,
it feels sure, but it was this is the right
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place to do it. And then I and then I ink.
The other part of it that is so amazing is
I feel so free and I feel like I just
made space for what's to come next, whatever it may be. Well,
and and this is so extraordinary, like it's such an
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important element. Like not everyone's moving right now, even though
I literally have like five people who are really close
to me moving like really core. That weird. Yeah, it's
very strange. And then so what for me whatever, What
I find over and over in the decades of running
my own business is that granted, we've all went through
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the pandemic differently, and how I went through it is
I didn't take a day off for two years. Don't
recommend it. But so I was just so aware. I
had one closet, particularly where I would take the like
what I call the production like the lights and the
cameras and the microphones. Let you know that I would
use for all the web you know, webcasting and teaching
virtually and everything like on a closet, and so all
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this stuff got piled in as I used different microphones
or different lights are different, you know. So one it's
a pretty good sized closet, but it I couldn't even
get into it anymore. I was like, I have got
to get this is making me crazy. Of course, I'm
totally drafting Alpha Sandy's you know, like open House, Avery House,
even though I hadn't been there yet. It could feel
I feel I'm like, I'm going to use Sandy's my inspiration.
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I'm doing this. And I cleaned out this closet and
it took four days, like I emptied the entire closet
into the office and went down to my office in
the basement. So I went down to the concrete, like
and scrub the concrete and you know, and and then
put stuff back. And now it's so orderly and and
the energy moves and the spaciousness, and I'm just so
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proud of my little closet and it just it just
it it brings joy and ease to the entire nervous system.
Just like it created tension, like I couldn't get to it.
I couldn't get to it, and it was making me crazy.
And and energy can flow. It's just so supportive and
so essential to our well being to have that energetic
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emotional and mental and physical alignment with who we are
and who we are preparing to become. Like that's what
it does. It it lays down that energetic plat path
of clarity that says, keep unfolding, keep expanding, keep exploring
your expression of your spirit here embodied in your school.
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Like that's what clearing out those corners does. It's amazing,
it's amazing, and it's exactly what that feels like. And
Susan and I have kept talking about it's like, you know,
there's those stupid fucking books that try to tell you
how to get rid of stuff and hold it to
your heart. Da da dada da da da. By the way,
I wouldn't have slept for a month if I take
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every object and do something stupid to me. But it's
it's more about we called things our greatest hits. Let's
pick our greatest hits. Everything else. Oh, I love that
because you've had so many great hits. Why would you
have anything less than that in your house? Exactly right,
So let's pick our greatest hits. And even if it,
you know, because people have been well, this that has value,
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I'm like, you're talking monetary man. Take it. It's like
this is not I'm not looking for that. I'm looking
for the things that represent us and who we are
and where we are today and where and again where
we want to be and all of those things. So
obviously the crystals uh first by me because nobody's love
to put their paws on it, But it's also who
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we are. In fact, we're turning one of our rooms
in our new house once. It's because we bought a house.
It needs to be renovated. By the way, that's built
around nineteen on the old Santa Fe Trail. Yeah, it
like has a significant historic representation is a town, and
it's gonna be amazing and it's going to be like
this spiritual center. It is going to hold so much
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space for so many people. And that's what we want
to do. That's the that's what that's your standard that
you're making those choices against. That's exactly right. And this
is not about well so and so that I haven't
seen in twenty years. Gave me this little glass from
the hula huh, which was awesome in the moment and
by and I get to release it, right, And it's
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all about making space for the grace. Right. That that's
the mantra, right, and making space for the grace. And
I don't have to know exactly what's going to unfold
or what I like, you have a vision exactly for
how this renovation and your living dynamic will hold the
space for the community and visitors. We don't always have
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to have that vision knowing exactly what it's going to bring.
Making space for the grace and trust and faith in
the divine and in your spiritual practices will be laying
down the frequency that is perfect for your next unfoldment.
Like that's what that's not for nothing. We're going to
have labradorite countertops in our bathroom. We're going to have
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Amazon night um howers. Oh yes, your elf has found
it and can source it. And when the house closes,
because it hasn't closed yet it will in days. That
is when I hit the order button. I mean, it's
we're we're about a vibe, like our house is going
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to be. It's about a vibe. It's like walk into
our kitchen and it literally will sparkle with So now
I'm wondering, you know, will the vibes store expand it's offering. Well,
it's funny you say that. Yes, that's my plan. Actually,
so we might do some have a business to business
side of what we're doing. And I think I might
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be the right because I think the next place where
we all need to get to is how do we
build this into our home? You know, do not just
set something on a counter, but how about that count
be something that holds a great one. You know how
they have those little circles or whatever that you can
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charge your iPhone or you know, whatever device, so you
can just lay it on in charge, so like all
your food you prepare on your kitchen counters gets totally charged. Right,
it's exactly right, It's exactly right. And then also like
the reason I want to have Amazonite in the bathroom,
it's all about going with the flow. And it's the
water energy because it's called Amazonite because the color of
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the of of what the Amazon once was. Um, I
don't know if it's the same color now, but like
it's like all the all the choices are very intentional
with the stones we want to use. Susanne of course
once wherose courts in our bathroom, so I will adhere
to her request. Um, you get figure out a way
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to do something in the bedroom. I'm just saying, yeah,
that's well, yes, yes, well every Sue's her favorite thing
is rose courts. It was everything regarding that whole area
of the house will all be rose courts. But we're
really excited in the closets in it. Oh my god.
Oh well here's the other thing is so imagine I
can't believe now we're talking about home design, but imagine
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like even a shower floor, right, and you could actually
anybody could do this. You could just you could just
get tumbled rose cords and you can use mortar and
you can actually make that the floor of your shower.
You don't have to get these other pieces, um, and
so it's all possible. That's so fun. That's so fun,
(27:30):
and you get to bathe and love every day. It's
so great. Exactly right. Who would be mad at that?
Nobody and so evil people would be mad at that,
which is why you want it. And we're gonna put
black turtling in our walls, so even though they're because
they have to rewire the house. Yeah, well the thing
is there adobe walls, so you don't really take those down,
(27:51):
but to reward you have to kind of cut into it.
So I'm gonna put some in there when they cut
into it. Oh yeah, yes, I might even had a
black trimline garden in the front. You never know. My god,
Oh my god, this is gonna I cannot wait to
visit this place. See, this is what the purge does though, right,
(28:12):
also a T shirt I'm wearing. And it also creates
space for creativity. Right, you can't create when you're maxed out, right,
you can't create. You can't build something more when you
are literally energetically or physically maxed out with all your stuff.
You have to create space to create more to right,
to create the opportunity, the potential to hold what more
you can create in your life. So if you're looking
(28:33):
to manifest perch, if you're looking to heel perche right,
if you're looking to love more purge, It's very true though,
because I feel free, I feel space, like likeness and shoulders.
The energy flows, right. It was so good. Congratulations, my
own thank you the purge. And apparently I you know,
(28:55):
let's recap here. I apparently was a Republican once in
my life docup from Oklahoma state government I didn't know existed.
I get rid of a lot of photos and then
we have Brenda's high school picture that I get to see.
I saw pictures I've never seen like, and you know,
the photos I kept were really just, I mean primarily
(29:16):
we're just my family, you know. They were like pictures
of mom and dad and my crazy aunt Marlene, A boy,
she was busy to ps um. You know, I kept those.
I I just it's that's the only thing. I mean.
I went from boxes to literally you guys can't see this,
but I'm holding up my hands about Yeah, about six
(29:38):
inches and that is all I kept. Yeah, it's perfect.
Susanne did the same thing, so free the bags of clothes. Yeah,
greatest hits. It's all about the greatest hits. I did
the same with jewelry, did the same. I mean everything,
just kept the greatest hits. Congratulations, thank you, and so
all of you. I wouldn't repeat where you just said, Brenda,
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if you want to make some room, if you want
to heal in a different way that maybe didn't think
was possible, because I'm telling you it was healing. Getting
rid of things did not take anybody further away from me.
It brought them closer to me. It doesn't diminish anything, right, Yeah,
and someone else gets to love it, right if you
if you passed it off to people you know, or
(30:22):
to take it to a resource that redistributes things like
it's Brenda. I've had We've had two people at Uhles
to come take some of our stuff that we gave them.
We've had you holes and they love everything. And Nanna,
Sanna made out like a bandit. And and I gave
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her one of my favorite pieces of art because I
don't have room for it. But I know that she'll
love it like it's where it belongs. It's perfect, and
that's exactly what happens. Yes, yeah, but you know you're
in trouble when your friends were at you holes. I
mean that's a very les me and joke in there somewhere.
I mean, we just Candida. These gays cannot escape escape
(31:05):
you holes up here. But yeah, we've had two. It's awesome. Well,
thanks for listening, everyone, and we hope we've inspired you
to consider new ways to engage your life and remember
our school is hard without the purge and the other Side.
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Thanks everybody, everybody, Thank you for joining us. Everyone, and
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