January 11, 2023 • 37 mins
What's the difference between faith and trust, and what role does religion play regarding both?
As a leading intuitive, Brenda shares her thoughts on faith, trust, and surrender, as viewed through the lens of Tarot. There's great comfort in the art of surrender and situations where it's the highest form of grace and compassion. Yet you are creating each opportunity in your life through the choices you make every day. This delicate balance is greater than the hands of fate. Brenda also explains how past life experiences and karmic reverb come into play when discerning if you should surrender or fight for what you want and need. We'll also explore the Divine guidance and surrendering that occurs when creativity leads the way.
Join us today for this empowering and insightful episode. Earth School is hard... without the sacred tools of discernment and gut instincts activated by the Other Side.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of My Heart Radio. Hi y'all, I'm Julie. Hi there,
I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side. Now,
y'all need to know that we are obsessed with everything
on the other side. Yes, we are, because once you
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learn to navigate the energetic, or to some the invisible world,
life is going to be more fun and much more serene. Heck,
yes it can. Because, let's be honest, Brian, earth school
is hard. In fact, you taught me that, let's crush
earth School together. Well, hello, my witchy of who, how
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in the hell are you today? I'm doing great, by
hel how are you doing well? I am fantastic. Yeah, yeah,
I'll tell you why. Thanks for asking. I'll tell you why. Um.
I joined a gym, and I have not been to
a gym in about five well since menopause. Really, it's
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it's been quite a while. Um, and I joined a gym.
They have an indoor pool. Oh of course they do, yes,
So it's been fun. I think I'm gonna get a
trainer again. So just a little bit of a reset,
mix it up a bit, you know. I still watch
suki every morning we do our thing. We do about
three to five miles every morning, and then adding this
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on top of it. Um, yeah, so I can hardly
move because I did late the other day and so
walking is not fun right now. Um. But anyway, that's
I'm pretty excited about it. Susan join as well. Yeah
that's yeah. Yeah. Well listen, we're getting old, so we
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gotta like take care of ourselves. Keep moving. Yeah, we
gotta keep moving. Movement is life. So that's awesome. Yeah, welcome,
welcome to your reset. Yeah, thank you. I think it's
a wonderful time of year to reset. So I jumped
and jumping from that line. That's great. You know. So
I've been having some interesting conversations with some of my
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clients and and some of my students. You know, when
I'm teaching to Row specifically, people talk about, you know,
you have to have faith in the cards. I'm like,
mm hmmm, is that the word I've red used? Because
I don't think of it that way. I think of
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it as because I feel like faith is like a
one sided thing, right, Like I have I either have
faith in something because you know, based on my experience,
Like I don't you know, but with the cards, like
I have to put energy into knowing the cards, but
I just I trust them. And so like, what's the
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difference between faith and trust? How many of the how
many of the definition of faith? Because that's what I
was just looking up while you were talking. Okay, I
had your full attention, I can tell well, no, I
was because I was like, let me, I haven't blown
your raspberr in a while. So us sorry, Joey, sorry
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about that. Okay. So it's annun complete trust or confidence
in someone or something. Yeah. The other one, second definition
is strong belief in God or in the doctrines of
a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof. Ah, okay,
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what else did you want to know? I think? And
it's so I think, to me, it's that second one
that faith is when you don't know something right, So
to me, that's kind of how it goes. And so
I thought this was an interesting conversation and an engagement.
You know, I learned so much from my students, Thank goodness,
there's sore very generous. And so when they come to
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me with these conversations, it's it's just an interesting place
to play. And so I do think of faith as
when you don't know in the outcome, like you have
this complete there's there's a blindness to me personally, and
how I think of the word faith, there's a blindness
that says I have faith that this is this is
how it's going to happen, or this is how it
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will unfold it, this will be how it comes back
to me, like I can't see it yet. It's it's
unavailable to me. And I never feel that way in
the cards. It's that yeah, um so, so it's it's
and it's you know, they don't have decades working with
to Row yet, I mean hopefully they will someday and go, yeah,
I trust the cards like I don't have to have
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faith in them because I trust them. They've they've shown
me over and over and over again and and so
that's that's the distinction that I have. And so then
we got into an interesting conversation again about well, what
is you know, how much of life is faded like
how like this is fate, right, this is it's fate
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that we met or its fate that I got this
job or something, and forces our ability to create and
manifest our own path, our own life and how that
was related to how they engaged with faith, because if
it's faded like they if it's you know, this is
the my fate, that they had faith in their fate,
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and I was like, wow, this is a really interesting distinctions, um,
you know, a framework or philosophy for their life because
you know, I feel like we are powerful creators in
every moment. You know, how our energy gets charged, how
our energy gets shut down. We're creating the next opportunity
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or we're shutting down the next opportunity, depending on our choices.
And it's not to say that you should be open
to every possibility because that's like there's no discernment there,
right and so um, So it was just an interesting
place to play. And I thought, I imagine our listeners
have had these same thoughts, are you know, wonderings or ponderings.
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It's I've had them. I think we've talked at times
about this, and I think what's so interesting is and
I'm gonna go for the faded part first, like the fate,
like everything is fate. Um, I'm pretty sure that we
didn't all go through the hassle of being on this
planet to sit back and just to let ship happen
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just I mean, that's just my, that's just my. It's
a little logic actually, I think is really are we
all just like puppets or is it you know all
this predbt. Do I believe that there are big things?
I do. I do believe that there are some things
no matter how how hard you might try to make
something happen or not happen, is going to anyway. But
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they're big. They're not like the everyday kind of things
where you just sit on your ass and you let
it go any let happen. UM. Not to insult those
that do believe in that rut row. If I offended you,
you don't have to deal with it. UM. So it
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just it just doesn't seem to me that especially with
so my my belief, because that's all all I can
really attest to. What my belief is is that UM,
I believe that we are here to ascend, to be better,
to learn our lessons to UM have different ways to
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solve them create and that which is creativity. Right, It's
like you have to think about ways you solve problems
that strategic creative every want to call it UM and
if you just think it's both right, and if you
just think, oh, well, that was supposed to happen to me,
it's like, okay, but what are you to do with it?
You know? And I think that's the part that I
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struggle with, the fate fate fated side of it, is
if you just believe in that you're just gonna let
all stuff happen kind of thing and not learn, because
I think learning is is so much about creativity to
me and changing, shifting and changing with it too. I'm
trying to think of the name of the book. I
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think it's Thermotographer. No, You're welcome. Great. I haven't read
the book, so I um, it's definitely not The Photographer.
No no, I definitely read that a couple of times.
But I think it's called I think it's called The
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Surrender Experiment. And again, I haven't read this book, but
I have many friends who have. And this person's approach,
the author's approach, was whatever shows up, and I'm just
gonna surrender to it. I'm just gonnacroned. He to it
just to see like how this happens, and his experience
was that things turned out much better than when he efforted,
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Like if someone came in and said, hey, you I'm
giving you that your business. He I think he ran
a business of some sort. I can't remember again the Desais.
I don't read the book, but it in and like,
I'm going to give you guys this great order. And
he's like, oh, this is fantastic. Then they come back
and go, yeah, we're going to return all this and
you know, we're not going to pay for it because
it's not what we wanted sort of thing. And he'd
be like, oh, great, that's excellent. Like it didn't matter
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what happened. He would just say okay, great and um.
You know, over a time of doing this, his life
did expand in positive ways. He found power in it.
So like sometimes, you know, surrendering to what is can
be extraordinary. I think it really has a lot to
do with people's past lives, in their carmra and where
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their sole lesson is. I really think that's what has
to do with I think you're right. I also have
seen over and over again my personal experience, um an
assessment from it from Afar because I don't consider myself
one of the great creatives on the planet, but you
are one of the great psychics on that and I
am now one of the greatest. But I um my, my,
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from where I said, it really looks to me like
when someone's in that creative zone that is truly the
divine spark, that like inspiration that lands within them and
goes and it's like this amazing thing to witness, to
bear witness to. And I just think, how like and
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these people cannot not create. It's always flowing through them
and it can be like I think of all the
versions it's taken for you, whether it's ghost photography or
pottering jewelry or candles or you know, it doesn't matter
whether it like it's everything right, and I can do this,
and I can do this, and I can do this,
like it's just flowing through them in an endless way.
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And so they this ability to create is also like
this divine surrender as well. Right when when you get
this this spark, that means you actually have to abandon
something that you may have thought of or that you
had to do, but you have to surrender that in
the same in the inspirational flow of whatever this creative
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spark is, whether you're a writer or artist or you
know whatever. Like that's what I think. So I don't
mind if the solution is surrender. Personally, I don't think
it's the answer. Every time. I appreciate the story. In fact,
I would like to really read his book and understand that,
because I could probably do that a little more often.
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I mean, I'm gonna die tired because of all this.
I do, I really am. I mean when I go,
when I jump, it's because I'm exhausted. UM. But I
do believe that in the when faced with something, UM,
that there is that ascension and the running through options
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of how to either learn how to deal with it, um,
like inside or external um, and kind of processing the
different options that you have. UM. I think that's creativity.
I even think. And it's gonna sound crazy and you're
gonna be like, oh my god, my elf. Um. Susannah
and I just started watching. Of course has to do
with entertainment. UM, we're very behind on this, but we
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have been watching House of Cards. We now didn't watch
at the beginning. I'm right right before me. Well remember
at the very beginning, I was a Netflix hater. So
there's that. So it was my own bullshit that kept
me from watching it. UM. Anyway, So even how Claire
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and Francis handle all their problems, and they might handle
them all through a lot of lying, they're still creative
about it. Um, you gotta hand it to him, as
I said to Susanne without like, holy sh it, there's
some creative solutions here, right, And and how you define
that creative flow can vary, just just like people, right,
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we vary a lot. So on that happy note, We're
gonna take a break and be right back. Okay, welcome back, everybody.
Apparently no more House of Cards talk. So uh, the
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shadow part is part of our school, right it is,
and that is lately, that is where Claire and Frank.
If you haven't seen the series, excel, no for real,
it is so worth watching because they are to the
most horrid human beings and everything is exquisite, exquisite truly.
Yeah the writing is really tight too, but yeah, oh
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my god. Anyway, yes, go ahead, all right, I'm so
say that I can actually have there's a series I
can talk about fifteen years old. But easy, easy, easy, easy, easy.
It's good. But again, you know this, this idea of
you know, surrendering to the to what you believe is faded.
And there's also a comfort in something if if fate
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playing its hand. There's a comfort that says, well, you
know this, this happened. I took other steps, but this
ultimately happened like it was sort of planned to and
I thought it was going to be different and I
didn't get that, so there must be a reason for it, right,
So there's there's like this comfort I think also to
perhaps our egos or in what we can control. I
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don't know, but I think there's like that that can
be a comforting thing as well. Can we talk about
that a little bit. Yeah, so I hear you and
I have a percentage of agreement. I'm just translating the
conversation I had. Yeah, no, no, No, It's so good though,
because um, because I think sometimes people surrender um as
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a way to make something stop or to get out
of it. I think there's just like like they give
up their own power. They just gave yes that sometimes
I believe, I've That's what I feel. And and I
think what happens is what you have to live with
after that from that surrender, like it creates a whole
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other set of things for you to deal with. And
I and and and I and I have said before
and I've said on the show I'm all into being acquitter.
I am. I am totally utterly into being a quitter. Seriously,
I like, I call into being a quitter. Um and
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but I but I know what I'm doing when I
do it right. And I think that's part of what
it is. Like if there are things that you want
to accept, you want to surrender to. Um. I think
there is. UM. I think there's forethought into it. And
I think that's maybe what I'm getting at is the
forethought of it. It's like being able to deal with
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whatever because you know, you've all you you taught me
not not making decision is a decision. You know, not
doing something is a decision that is like that is
And so when I think about that, like, you know,
do you surrender to a relationship that has gone awry? Sure,
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but understand what you're what you're doing right in that
surrender because a lot of times surrender means stop mhm yeah. Um.
And I just and I'm and I'm all in by
the way I really am. And sometimes you surrender and say,
this isn't the relationship with the marriage that I planned.
I didn't know I was going to go like this.
I'm doing this for the sake of the children, the
sake of the whatever, the business or whatever it is,
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whether it's a boss employee relates like we don't you know,
there's all kinds of or in balance of power somehow,
and you're like, I'm just gonna surrender to it because
in the long run, this is how it's going to pay.
You know, like you think or you like, this is
my vow or whatever it is. There's lots of reasons
to do that. And then there's the other way. That's
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that just says sorry, that says, you know, this isn't
what I intended to be, and I'm going to surrender
to the fact that this failed for me. This is
a fact, absolutely right, so right so, and I'm going
to end it. Right And again, it doesn't matter what
kind of relationship it is, whether it's a marriage or
employment or any sort of partnership out in the world. Right,
that just says this does not work for me, And
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and that is a surrender. It's a surrender of the dream.
And either way they're grieving, right, there's there's grieving on
either side of those situations. I feel sometimes, which I
was getting to funny, you say that we obviously didn't
practice any of this ahead of time. Everybody, Um, if
they're shot for us and they're like, oh really not
new news, Julie. Um. Um. But I think what's also
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really interesting about surrender is, um, I'm clearly I agree
with it, but I'm obviously not the biggest fan of it.
I know there's times and I understand that, and you
will have to teach me later to surrender more. However,
today my point is that I've I've I have witnessed
throughout my life, especially when there is loss, that there
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is a surrender cause talking about faith, right, because all
started out with this one is faith and um and
agree and believing that oh it was meant to happen.
A lot of people do that because they don't actually
want to deal with the emotions of something like I
have seen that so real and it's like, well, yeah,
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somebody somebody jumped. Um, you had nothing to do with it. Hopefully,
Uh the is day and age you never know. Um.
But but surrendering to the fact of you can't do
anything about it now. It is something that took its
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own course. There could be fate involved, there could be
all of those things. But to to just sit on
that to avoid emotion is where you're where you're cheating yourself.
And I think sometimes surrender people do that so they
don't have to go live in those emotions. Yeah, yeah,
I think that's that's really more denial than surrender. They
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call it surrender though, like they use the surrender. I
surrender to God's will. I surrendered to Yeah, I surrender
because I'm about faith, right, So it's like I certain
like God meant it to be this way. God took
him away, and that's how a lot of people will avoid.
And again that's the grieving. The fate heart brings comfort
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because I can't I can't really wrap my brain around this,
and so it's it's the divine plan. Yeah, so that's
part of my non fan fan chip is that's the case.
I mean. And I would also say, like in that
grieving mode, we do have to accept what is we
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do absolutely but but haven't you but haven't you witnessed that? Though?
What I'm talking about, like, yeah, so that's really what
I was really getting on getting at was more about
um to try. It's like, because there are things that
are absolutely fat and things that you have to learn
to live with and you don't have to write it
off as something and shut down. Um, because that's where
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I've seen it use the most. You know, did I
accept the fact that I've had as we've discussed too
many people in my life into my liking jump, especially
people who started their name started with the letter M
there for a while. Um, And but I accepted it.
But it wasn't a Okay, yeah, it's God's plan. I'm
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gonna go the gym. And grief takes many forms sometimes
at the gym well, but but still have my overall point. Yeah,
but still having to grieve. And I've met so many
people that actually have not grieved any of that because
they went to the surrender place of it's part of
the planned thing, and that's that's my thing. That's I
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just wanted to bring it up. Yeah, And I do
think normally that's a short term coping, but sometimes people
can stay there too long. For sure. Yeah they can, yeah, yeah,
but they can't can They actually can't contain it forever
because it bubbles up, right, The grieving has to come out.
It has, yes, it does, it has to, But I
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think it comes out in ways that is that are unplanned.
You know, Well, I always say it comes out sideways. Yeah,
that's a much better way. It comes outside ways, um
and I and I think that happens a lot. Um.
So it's such a fascinating conversation. So I have to stutter,
um because there's so many things that are running through
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my head about the kind of balance of it all,
you know, because I also think after a while, if
if you if you don't understand the art of surrendering, um,
you're gonna bang yourself up against the wall so many
times You're just gonna leave blood splats everywhere. Right, So
that's the other side of it, A very graphic I understand.
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I clearly have done that once or twice in my life. Um,
because I'm probably obviously more on the other side of
this conversation. The you know, I don't really want to
surrender that much. Yeah, well it's hard. It's it's hard
and um. And you are someone who you may not
surrender easily, but you also embrace the power of creation
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in the face of Sometimes wood feels like insurmountable. Yes,
I mean I have seen you like m that's sure,
how that's going to go? That sure? And then all
of a sudden you will pull out the deck, you know,
and just crank it out, and you're like, got a plan.
It's funny how that works. And you know why is
because what I surrender to, though, is not what people
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would expect. I surrender to the voices in my head.
I surrender to the divide, to the divine. I really
do like because if I am at that point where
my head is about ready to bust open, I remember
sitting in my no I've told the story. I said
at my desk one day and I'm like, okay, I
have to go in and meet with Jeffrey Katzenberg in
fifteen minutes. Please tell me I need an answer, help me,
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I need help. And there it was, and that has
happened so often, and I will, you know, and I was,
we are all made different to like, let's you know,
not every no one's the same. We're all snowflakes, even
though everybody on Twitter likes to use it as an insult,
We're all snowflakes. Were all different and can actions we
we do? You know. I took a U I took
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a i Q test. So now I've talked about this
from my mom's friend Judy, and in one of the
tests she would give you like four pieces, eight pieces,
sixteen pieces, and I solved it different every time because
that's how I'm wired. I'm wired to be creative problem solver.
If you had to do it the same way, you
would be so mad. If I'd be bored, I'd be piste.
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And you know what I do. That's when i'd surrender.
I'd get up and walk away just because I was
bored to death. So we're all different. But that's quitting.
Quitting is not surrendering. Okay, you're right. I have a
good quitter. Like I said, I like quitting. All right,
we're gonna take a break and we will be right back,
so don't quit. Please come back all right, Thanks for
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coming back and not quitting, y'all for surrendering whatever. All right.
So this final piece that we had talked about is
how does religion play into any or all of this? Yeah,
it's funny because when we were we do folks, Just
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so y'all know, we do prep a little bit. Do
we at least try to get a flow to varying degrees? Yeah,
it's just way more fun for all of us involved
if we don't script anything, because good stuff comes out
when it's not scripted. UM. And it's interesting because Brenda,
you're the one who brought this this topic for like,
let's talk about this, because it's something that had been happening,
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like you said, in your groups and students and everything
and your your clients, and UM, I've been having very
different conversations, you know, UM with Susanna and I now
living in Santa Fe. And these conversations, funny enough though,
aren't different than other ones that I've had in my life,
but they seem to be really concentrated and they're about religion.
And that was Lulu Lulu's shaking, so I did purposs Lulu, Hi,
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baby girl, UM and I. And it's funny because, um,
we're making friends now, and so when you make new friends,
you talk about yourself and life, you ask questions, you know,
the whole thing. And this weekend this topic came up
in two different dinners. So that's why I thought it
was really interesting that you brought it up, right, And
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it's well, I actually think kind of it is. And
you know, these are people who have talked about, UM,
they struggle with religion because it's how they were raised, right,
it's what they knew it is. One friend, Um, she
grew up in the Episcopal church. Um, because it's it
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was in the Church of England. Um, she grew up
in England and so um. So she talked about her
experience and there there's no difference between government and religion,
state and religion because it's all yeah, it's it's right
and so important for this country to have a separation
of church exactly right. Yeah, I think that's over now, folks.
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I hate to break it to you, but it looks
like it's gone. Um um. And then a m and
then another friend that we met was talking about how
um she grew up like she went to um, I
think Catholic school. She went to church camp, she ended
up She was like a what is that when you
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lead the church camp thing? Um, you're see, I'm thinking
about songs in my head. She worked as a counselor there,
big word, Julie Um and she worked as a counselor.
And but here's what she's struggling with. Is she struggling with?
And both I've heard from both of our new sets
of friends, is um how strict the dogma is and
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how U how they believe in their life? Like so
one of our friends, her name is Catherine, was talking
about she has a niece that was born a nephew
and um and how their church or her sister's church
kick them out because of this. Uh right, Yeah, I
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think they're Southern Baptist, is what? Because I asked, I'm like,
well what religion? You know where they go when she's
a Southern Baptist. I kept all my remarks to myself,
you've been so proud, um, And because I grew up
a very religious town, so um U. Our preacher used
to make fun of the Baptist, so that's I can
blame it on him. Um. He used to let us
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go early so we could make it to lunch and
not have to wait behind the Baptist. He would say, Um,
you've got to appreciate religious humor, I guess. Uh so.
So the conversation that where they both went was really
interesting because because they say, well how about you? You know,
because they bring up the conversation how about you? What
do you believe in? And you know, these people don't
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owe me like y'all know me, and so they actually asked, yeah, well,
my god, I'm gonna talk about it again. And uh
so what I talk about is and you and I've
talked about this on the show and privately, which is
I'm not a big joiner because you own the karma
um of your group and I have enough of my own.
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I don't need any extra. So I start with that,
and you know, it's really funny at that moment their
eyes light up and they're like, I know where you're
going with this. I understand. It was the craziest thing
happened two nights in a row. I know where you're headed.
And I said, I very much believe in God. I said,
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there was times that I didn't because I was angry. Um,
I said, but I very much believe. And I said,
but I'm not a religious person. I live much more
like a spiritualist. I don't actually park my car in
anybody's lot. And I said, there are aspects of every
religion I think is interesting and that that is good. Um,
I don't live my life by being so concer strained.
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And that also that word constrained really um lit up
with them as well, And I said, I don't claim
any religion at all. Actually, if somebody put a gun
up to my head, which would piss me off, but
if they said, pick a religion, I would probably say,
can you somehow combine Buddhism and Episcopalians? I don't know
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if that's possible. Is that like making a a mating
a giraffe and a mule. I don't know. But is
there something else? Yeah? Right, you've never seen one. That's
what I'm saying. Um, But I said, I prefer not
to choose. I prefer to live my life with the
idea that we're all equal and we're all awesome and
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um and to and to live and pursue my life
like that and still very much believe and God and
the and the other side. And I go into all
of that and it's like, I go, I have proof
that there is something beyond what you see right now
with your own eyeballs. I've lived it, I've heard it,
I've seen it. I even have photographs of it. It's like,
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how could I not believe a god? It? Where do
you think I got like these gifts from? How could
I ever deny that? But what I can deny is
um all the dogma. And it was interesting. They were
It's like after they were all real it's like they
were relieved because they didn't want's join that. It's such
a beautiful combination of faith and creation, right, Like, that's
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that's your path. That's yeah, and and and yes, very
much so. Um and and they and they work so
well hand in hand because so much of my creativity
comes from that faith. Yeah. You know, it's like when
I started my journey with you. Frankly, it all comes
back to you. Oh my god, look at that. It
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all comes back to you. My tepoo got a new rhyme. Um.
I mean, even though I was grieving, struggling all of
those things, when I when I kind of that that
it just clicked for me. Um, everything got better. Yeah, everything.
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I started creating like a mad woman because my belief
was where it was. I didn't feel like I wasn't
you know, I wasn't tied down to anything in particular. Um.
But I have the good sense for me to have
a compass up to know what I think is right
and what is wrong. And I do believe a lot
of the teachings are wrong. I don't think gay people
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are bad by the way gay was Homosexual isn't the
Bible to the fifties, you know. Um, I think people
want to make their own decisions about who they marry.
I think people can make that, you know, all those
things nuts um, But it's like, but it's all attached though,
And that's the part that people struggle with, and that's
the religion just part. And you know, there are people
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who can still who still attend different churches or synagogues, wherever,
the temples, wherever they may go, and they can actually
have the sense to filter a lot of that themselves.
I choose not to participate, so I don't have to
filter already know, but I and I'm not against people.
I have lots of people in this world that I
love very dearly that are a part of churches or
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temples or synagogues and they get to choose, and I
think that is what the most important part is. But
for me, when it comes to having those conversations, I
just try to open it up for folks, whether they
still want to attend or not attend. It's more about
it's what is it that you want to get out
of it, how constrained you want to be. And it
always comes down to dog with because nobody agrees fully
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with any of these teachings, it really is. And again,
I think, you know, our our point in the invitation
into this conversation today is just to consider, like so
many times we join, it's yourn is that you're joining um,
but really to peel it back and go, wait, what
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what is my faith? What do I feel is my
accountability and responsibility to create out of that faith? How
can these two coexist within me and not feel drained
or taxed or conflicted? A right that the conflict is fine.
I think it's an interesting place to to look. It's
an interesting place to discuss because out of there comes
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growth and clarity. And so I don't be afraid if
it's not clear, is my point. Yeah, and also just
to give everybody hope. I'm a member of three things,
Amazon Prime, then the Gym, and I'm an Oscar voter.
That is, I am not a member of even Triple A.
I'm not remember but actually sold, but it is um,
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I've I am. I choose and I'm very picky about
what I join. I'm very picky of groups to be
a part of, whether it's religio us, whether it's cultural
or whatever it may be. Yeah, and and again just
bringing it back to how you create your faith, how
you create your life and just explore a little bit
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because you're worth it. You're worth it figuring it out
and not just doing it by default. And an answer
can be different over time, and in fact, I hope
it is. You know, my answer ten years ago is
different than it was today, than it was ten years
part of that, than ten years part of that, than
tenear is part of that, you know. So we all
also get the ability to evolve in this. We have
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the ability to make different choices because we can learn
from it and decide something different, or we might feel
like we're missing out on something. You want to be
back a part of it. It's all again choices right
without a doubt. So thanks for listening, everybody, Thanks for
engaging in the conversation within yourself and maybe with some
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Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of My Heart Radio. Hi y'all, I'm Julie. Hi there,
I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side. Now,
y'all need to know that we are obsessed with everything
on the other side. Yes, we are, because once you
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learn to navigate the energetic, or to some the invisible world,
life is going to be more fun and much more serene. Heck,
yes it can. Because, let's be honest, Brian, earth school
is hard. In fact, you taught me that, let's crush
earth School together. Well, hello, my witchy of who, how
(00:45):
in the hell are you today? I'm doing great, by
hel how are you doing well? I am fantastic. Yeah, yeah,
I'll tell you why. Thanks for asking. I'll tell you why. Um.
I joined a gym, and I have not been to
a gym in about five well since menopause. Really, it's
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it's been quite a while. Um, and I joined a gym.
They have an indoor pool. Oh of course they do, yes,
So it's been fun. I think I'm gonna get a
trainer again. So just a little bit of a reset,
mix it up a bit, you know. I still watch
suki every morning we do our thing. We do about
three to five miles every morning, and then adding this
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on top of it. Um, yeah, so I can hardly
move because I did late the other day and so
walking is not fun right now. Um. But anyway, that's
I'm pretty excited about it. Susan join as well. Yeah
that's yeah. Yeah. Well listen, we're getting old, so we
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gotta like take care of ourselves. Keep moving. Yeah, we
gotta keep moving. Movement is life. So that's awesome. Yeah, welcome,
welcome to your reset. Yeah, thank you. I think it's
a wonderful time of year to reset. So I jumped
and jumping from that line. That's great. You know. So
I've been having some interesting conversations with some of my
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clients and and some of my students. You know, when
I'm teaching to Row specifically, people talk about, you know,
you have to have faith in the cards. I'm like,
mm hmmm, is that the word I've red used? Because
I don't think of it that way. I think of
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it as because I feel like faith is like a
one sided thing, right, Like I have I either have
faith in something because you know, based on my experience,
Like I don't you know, but with the cards, like
I have to put energy into knowing the cards, but
I just I trust them. And so like, what's the
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difference between faith and trust? How many of the how
many of the definition of faith? Because that's what I
was just looking up while you were talking. Okay, I
had your full attention, I can tell well, no, I
was because I was like, let me, I haven't blown
your raspberr in a while. So us sorry, Joey, sorry
(03:13):
about that. Okay. So it's annun complete trust or confidence
in someone or something. Yeah. The other one, second definition
is strong belief in God or in the doctrines of
a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof. Ah, okay,
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what else did you want to know? I think? And
it's so I think, to me, it's that second one
that faith is when you don't know something right, So
to me, that's kind of how it goes. And so
I thought this was an interesting conversation and an engagement.
You know, I learned so much from my students, Thank goodness,
there's sore very generous. And so when they come to
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me with these conversations, it's it's just an interesting place
to play. And so I do think of faith as
when you don't know in the outcome, like you have
this complete there's there's a blindness to me personally, and
how I think of the word faith, there's a blindness
that says I have faith that this is this is
how it's going to happen, or this is how it
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will unfold it, this will be how it comes back
to me, like I can't see it yet. It's it's
unavailable to me. And I never feel that way in
the cards. It's that yeah, um so, so it's it's
and it's you know, they don't have decades working with
to Row yet, I mean hopefully they will someday and go, yeah,
I trust the cards like I don't have to have
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faith in them because I trust them. They've they've shown
me over and over and over again and and so
that's that's the distinction that I have. And so then
we got into an interesting conversation again about well, what
is you know, how much of life is faded like
how like this is fate, right, this is it's fate
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that we met or its fate that I got this
job or something, and forces our ability to create and
manifest our own path, our own life and how that
was related to how they engaged with faith, because if
it's faded like they if it's you know, this is
the my fate, that they had faith in their fate,
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and I was like, wow, this is a really interesting distinctions, um,
you know, a framework or philosophy for their life because
you know, I feel like we are powerful creators in
every moment. You know, how our energy gets charged, how
our energy gets shut down. We're creating the next opportunity
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or we're shutting down the next opportunity, depending on our choices.
And it's not to say that you should be open
to every possibility because that's like there's no discernment there,
right and so um, So it was just an interesting
place to play. And I thought, I imagine our listeners
have had these same thoughts, are you know, wonderings or ponderings.
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It's I've had them. I think we've talked at times
about this, and I think what's so interesting is and
I'm gonna go for the faded part first, like the fate,
like everything is fate. Um, I'm pretty sure that we
didn't all go through the hassle of being on this
planet to sit back and just to let ship happen
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just I mean, that's just my, that's just my. It's
a little logic actually, I think is really are we
all just like puppets or is it you know all
this predbt. Do I believe that there are big things?
I do. I do believe that there are some things
no matter how how hard you might try to make
something happen or not happen, is going to anyway. But
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they're big. They're not like the everyday kind of things
where you just sit on your ass and you let
it go any let happen. UM. Not to insult those
that do believe in that rut row. If I offended you,
you don't have to deal with it. UM. So it
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just it just doesn't seem to me that especially with
so my my belief, because that's all all I can
really attest to. What my belief is is that UM,
I believe that we are here to ascend, to be better,
to learn our lessons to UM have different ways to
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solve them create and that which is creativity. Right, It's
like you have to think about ways you solve problems
that strategic creative every want to call it UM and
if you just think it's both right, and if you
just think, oh, well, that was supposed to happen to me,
it's like, okay, but what are you to do with it?
You know? And I think that's the part that I
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struggle with, the fate fate fated side of it, is
if you just believe in that you're just gonna let
all stuff happen kind of thing and not learn, because
I think learning is is so much about creativity to
me and changing, shifting and changing with it too. I'm
trying to think of the name of the book. I
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think it's Thermotographer. No, You're welcome. Great. I haven't read
the book, so I um, it's definitely not The Photographer.
No no, I definitely read that a couple of times.
But I think it's called I think it's called The
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Surrender Experiment. And again, I haven't read this book, but
I have many friends who have. And this person's approach,
the author's approach, was whatever shows up, and I'm just
gonna surrender to it. I'm just gonnacroned. He to it
just to see like how this happens, and his experience
was that things turned out much better than when he efforted,
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Like if someone came in and said, hey, you I'm
giving you that your business. He I think he ran
a business of some sort. I can't remember again the Desais.
I don't read the book, but it in and like,
I'm going to give you guys this great order. And
he's like, oh, this is fantastic. Then they come back
and go, yeah, we're going to return all this and
you know, we're not going to pay for it because
it's not what we wanted sort of thing. And he'd
be like, oh, great, that's excellent. Like it didn't matter
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what happened. He would just say okay, great and um.
You know, over a time of doing this, his life
did expand in positive ways. He found power in it.
So like sometimes, you know, surrendering to what is can
be extraordinary. I think it really has a lot to
do with people's past lives, in their carmra and where
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their sole lesson is. I really think that's what has
to do with I think you're right. I also have
seen over and over again my personal experience, um an
assessment from it from Afar because I don't consider myself
one of the great creatives on the planet, but you
are one of the great psychics on that and I
am now one of the greatest. But I um my, my,
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from where I said, it really looks to me like
when someone's in that creative zone that is truly the
divine spark, that like inspiration that lands within them and
goes and it's like this amazing thing to witness, to
bear witness to. And I just think, how like and
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these people cannot not create. It's always flowing through them
and it can be like I think of all the
versions it's taken for you, whether it's ghost photography or
pottering jewelry or candles or you know, it doesn't matter
whether it like it's everything right, and I can do this,
and I can do this, and I can do this,
like it's just flowing through them in an endless way.
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And so they this ability to create is also like
this divine surrender as well. Right when when you get
this this spark, that means you actually have to abandon
something that you may have thought of or that you
had to do, but you have to surrender that in
the same in the inspirational flow of whatever this creative
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spark is, whether you're a writer or artist or you
know whatever. Like that's what I think. So I don't
mind if the solution is surrender. Personally, I don't think
it's the answer. Every time. I appreciate the story. In fact,
I would like to really read his book and understand that,
because I could probably do that a little more often.
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I mean, I'm gonna die tired because of all this.
I do, I really am. I mean when I go,
when I jump, it's because I'm exhausted. UM. But I
do believe that in the when faced with something, UM,
that there is that ascension and the running through options
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of how to either learn how to deal with it, um,
like inside or external um, and kind of processing the
different options that you have. UM. I think that's creativity.
I even think. And it's gonna sound crazy and you're
gonna be like, oh my god, my elf. Um. Susannah
and I just started watching. Of course has to do
with entertainment. UM, we're very behind on this, but we
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have been watching House of Cards. We now didn't watch
at the beginning. I'm right right before me. Well remember
at the very beginning, I was a Netflix hater. So
there's that. So it was my own bullshit that kept
me from watching it. UM. Anyway, So even how Claire
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and Francis handle all their problems, and they might handle
them all through a lot of lying, they're still creative
about it. Um, you gotta hand it to him, as
I said to Susanne without like, holy sh it, there's
some creative solutions here, right, And and how you define
that creative flow can vary, just just like people, right,
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we vary a lot. So on that happy note, We're
gonna take a break and be right back. Okay, welcome back, everybody.
Apparently no more House of Cards talk. So uh, the
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shadow part is part of our school, right it is,
and that is lately, that is where Claire and Frank.
If you haven't seen the series, excel, no for real,
it is so worth watching because they are to the
most horrid human beings and everything is exquisite, exquisite truly.
Yeah the writing is really tight too, but yeah, oh
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my god. Anyway, yes, go ahead, all right, I'm so
say that I can actually have there's a series I
can talk about fifteen years old. But easy, easy, easy, easy, easy.
It's good. But again, you know this, this idea of
you know, surrendering to the to what you believe is faded.
And there's also a comfort in something if if fate
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playing its hand. There's a comfort that says, well, you
know this, this happened. I took other steps, but this
ultimately happened like it was sort of planned to and
I thought it was going to be different and I
didn't get that, so there must be a reason for it, right,
So there's there's like this comfort I think also to
perhaps our egos or in what we can control. I
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don't know, but I think there's like that that can
be a comforting thing as well. Can we talk about
that a little bit. Yeah, so I hear you and
I have a percentage of agreement. I'm just translating the
conversation I had. Yeah, no, no, No, It's so good though,
because um, because I think sometimes people surrender um as
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a way to make something stop or to get out
of it. I think there's just like like they give
up their own power. They just gave yes that sometimes
I believe, I've That's what I feel. And and I
think what happens is what you have to live with
after that from that surrender, like it creates a whole
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other set of things for you to deal with. And
I and and and I and I have said before
and I've said on the show I'm all into being acquitter.
I am. I am totally utterly into being a quitter. Seriously,
I like, I call into being a quitter. Um and
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but I but I know what I'm doing when I
do it right. And I think that's part of what
it is. Like if there are things that you want
to accept, you want to surrender to. Um. I think
there is. UM. I think there's forethought into it. And
I think that's maybe what I'm getting at is the
forethought of it. It's like being able to deal with
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whatever because you know, you've all you you taught me
not not making decision is a decision. You know, not
doing something is a decision that is like that is
And so when I think about that, like, you know,
do you surrender to a relationship that has gone awry? Sure,
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but understand what you're what you're doing right in that
surrender because a lot of times surrender means stop mhm yeah. Um.
And I just and I'm and I'm all in by
the way I really am. And sometimes you surrender and say,
this isn't the relationship with the marriage that I planned.
I didn't know I was going to go like this.
I'm doing this for the sake of the children, the
sake of the whatever, the business or whatever it is,
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whether it's a boss employee relates like we don't you know,
there's all kinds of or in balance of power somehow,
and you're like, I'm just gonna surrender to it because
in the long run, this is how it's going to pay.
You know, like you think or you like, this is
my vow or whatever it is. There's lots of reasons
to do that. And then there's the other way. That's
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that just says sorry, that says, you know, this isn't
what I intended to be, and I'm going to surrender
to the fact that this failed for me. This is
a fact, absolutely right, so right so, and I'm going
to end it. Right And again, it doesn't matter what
kind of relationship it is, whether it's a marriage or
employment or any sort of partnership out in the world. Right,
that just says this does not work for me, And
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and that is a surrender. It's a surrender of the dream.
And either way they're grieving, right, there's there's grieving on
either side of those situations. I feel sometimes, which I
was getting to funny, you say that we obviously didn't
practice any of this ahead of time. Everybody, Um, if
they're shot for us and they're like, oh really not
new news, Julie. Um. Um. But I think what's also
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really interesting about surrender is, um, I'm clearly I agree
with it, but I'm obviously not the biggest fan of it.
I know there's times and I understand that, and you
will have to teach me later to surrender more. However,
today my point is that I've I've I have witnessed
throughout my life, especially when there is loss, that there
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is a surrender cause talking about faith, right, because all
started out with this one is faith and um and
agree and believing that oh it was meant to happen.
A lot of people do that because they don't actually
want to deal with the emotions of something like I
have seen that so real and it's like, well, yeah,
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somebody somebody jumped. Um, you had nothing to do with it. Hopefully,
Uh the is day and age you never know. Um.
But but surrendering to the fact of you can't do
anything about it now. It is something that took its
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own course. There could be fate involved, there could be
all of those things. But to to just sit on
that to avoid emotion is where you're where you're cheating yourself.
And I think sometimes surrender people do that so they
don't have to go live in those emotions. Yeah, yeah,
I think that's that's really more denial than surrender. They
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call it surrender though, like they use the surrender. I
surrender to God's will. I surrendered to Yeah, I surrender
because I'm about faith, right, So it's like I certain
like God meant it to be this way. God took
him away, and that's how a lot of people will avoid.
And again that's the grieving. The fate heart brings comfort
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because I can't I can't really wrap my brain around this,
and so it's it's the divine plan. Yeah, so that's
part of my non fan fan chip is that's the case.
I mean. And I would also say, like in that
grieving mode, we do have to accept what is we
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do absolutely but but haven't you but haven't you witnessed that? Though?
What I'm talking about, like, yeah, so that's really what
I was really getting on getting at was more about
um to try. It's like, because there are things that
are absolutely fat and things that you have to learn
to live with and you don't have to write it
off as something and shut down. Um, because that's where
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I've seen it use the most. You know, did I
accept the fact that I've had as we've discussed too
many people in my life into my liking jump, especially
people who started their name started with the letter M
there for a while. Um, And but I accepted it.
But it wasn't a Okay, yeah, it's God's plan. I'm
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gonna go the gym. And grief takes many forms sometimes
at the gym well, but but still have my overall point. Yeah,
but still having to grieve. And I've met so many
people that actually have not grieved any of that because
they went to the surrender place of it's part of
the planned thing, and that's that's my thing. That's I
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just wanted to bring it up. Yeah, And I do
think normally that's a short term coping, but sometimes people
can stay there too long. For sure. Yeah they can, yeah, yeah,
but they can't can They actually can't contain it forever
because it bubbles up, right, The grieving has to come out.
It has, yes, it does, it has to, But I
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think it comes out in ways that is that are unplanned.
You know, Well, I always say it comes out sideways. Yeah,
that's a much better way. It comes outside ways, um
and I and I think that happens a lot. Um.
So it's such a fascinating conversation. So I have to stutter,
um because there's so many things that are running through
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my head about the kind of balance of it all,
you know, because I also think after a while, if
if you if you don't understand the art of surrendering, um,
you're gonna bang yourself up against the wall so many
times You're just gonna leave blood splats everywhere. Right, So
that's the other side of it, A very graphic I understand.
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I clearly have done that once or twice in my life. Um,
because I'm probably obviously more on the other side of
this conversation. The you know, I don't really want to
surrender that much. Yeah, well it's hard. It's it's hard
and um. And you are someone who you may not
surrender easily, but you also embrace the power of creation
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in the face of Sometimes wood feels like insurmountable. Yes,
I mean I have seen you like m that's sure,
how that's going to go? That sure? And then all
of a sudden you will pull out the deck, you know,
and just crank it out, and you're like, got a plan.
It's funny how that works. And you know why is
because what I surrender to, though, is not what people
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would expect. I surrender to the voices in my head.
I surrender to the divide, to the divine. I really
do like because if I am at that point where
my head is about ready to bust open, I remember
sitting in my no I've told the story. I said
at my desk one day and I'm like, okay, I
have to go in and meet with Jeffrey Katzenberg in
fifteen minutes. Please tell me I need an answer, help me,
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I need help. And there it was, and that has
happened so often, and I will, you know, and I was,
we are all made different to like, let's you know,
not every no one's the same. We're all snowflakes, even
though everybody on Twitter likes to use it as an insult,
We're all snowflakes. Were all different and can actions we
we do? You know. I took a U I took
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a i Q test. So now I've talked about this
from my mom's friend Judy, and in one of the
tests she would give you like four pieces, eight pieces,
sixteen pieces, and I solved it different every time because
that's how I'm wired. I'm wired to be creative problem solver.
If you had to do it the same way, you
would be so mad. If I'd be bored, I'd be piste.
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And you know what I do. That's when i'd surrender.
I'd get up and walk away just because I was
bored to death. So we're all different. But that's quitting.
Quitting is not surrendering. Okay, you're right. I have a
good quitter. Like I said, I like quitting. All right,
we're gonna take a break and we will be right back,
so don't quit. Please come back all right, Thanks for
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coming back and not quitting, y'all for surrendering whatever. All right.
So this final piece that we had talked about is
how does religion play into any or all of this? Yeah,
it's funny because when we were we do folks, Just
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so y'all know, we do prep a little bit. Do
we at least try to get a flow to varying degrees? Yeah,
it's just way more fun for all of us involved
if we don't script anything, because good stuff comes out
when it's not scripted. UM. And it's interesting because Brenda,
you're the one who brought this this topic for like,
let's talk about this, because it's something that had been happening,
(25:37):
like you said, in your groups and students and everything
and your your clients, and UM, I've been having very
different conversations, you know, UM with Susanna and I now
living in Santa Fe. And these conversations, funny enough though,
aren't different than other ones that I've had in my life,
but they seem to be really concentrated and they're about religion.
And that was Lulu Lulu's shaking, so I did purposs Lulu, Hi,
(26:01):
baby girl, UM and I. And it's funny because, um,
we're making friends now, and so when you make new friends,
you talk about yourself and life, you ask questions, you know,
the whole thing. And this weekend this topic came up
in two different dinners. So that's why I thought it
was really interesting that you brought it up, right, And
(26:24):
it's well, I actually think kind of it is. And
you know, these are people who have talked about, UM,
they struggle with religion because it's how they were raised, right,
it's what they knew it is. One friend, Um, she
grew up in the Episcopal church. Um, because it's it
(26:44):
was in the Church of England. Um, she grew up
in England and so um. So she talked about her
experience and there there's no difference between government and religion,
state and religion because it's all yeah, it's it's right
and so important for this country to have a separation
of church exactly right. Yeah, I think that's over now, folks.
(27:07):
I hate to break it to you, but it looks
like it's gone. Um um. And then a m and
then another friend that we met was talking about how
um she grew up like she went to um, I
think Catholic school. She went to church camp, she ended
up She was like a what is that when you
(27:29):
lead the church camp thing? Um, you're see, I'm thinking
about songs in my head. She worked as a counselor there,
big word, Julie Um and she worked as a counselor.
And but here's what she's struggling with. Is she struggling with?
And both I've heard from both of our new sets
of friends, is um how strict the dogma is and
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how U how they believe in their life? Like so
one of our friends, her name is Catherine, was talking
about she has a niece that was born a nephew
and um and how their church or her sister's church
kick them out because of this. Uh right, Yeah, I
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think they're Southern Baptist, is what? Because I asked, I'm like,
well what religion? You know where they go when she's
a Southern Baptist. I kept all my remarks to myself,
you've been so proud, um, And because I grew up
a very religious town, so um U. Our preacher used
to make fun of the Baptist, so that's I can
blame it on him. Um. He used to let us
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go early so we could make it to lunch and
not have to wait behind the Baptist. He would say, Um,
you've got to appreciate religious humor, I guess. Uh so.
So the conversation that where they both went was really
interesting because because they say, well how about you? You know,
because they bring up the conversation how about you? What
do you believe in? And you know, these people don't
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owe me like y'all know me, and so they actually asked, yeah, well,
my god, I'm gonna talk about it again. And uh
so what I talk about is and you and I've
talked about this on the show and privately, which is
I'm not a big joiner because you own the karma
um of your group and I have enough of my own.
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I don't need any extra. So I start with that,
and you know, it's really funny at that moment their
eyes light up and they're like, I know where you're
going with this. I understand. It was the craziest thing
happened two nights in a row. I know where you're headed.
And I said, I very much believe in God. I said,
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there was times that I didn't because I was angry. Um,
I said, but I very much believe. And I said,
but I'm not a religious person. I live much more
like a spiritualist. I don't actually park my car in
anybody's lot. And I said, there are aspects of every
religion I think is interesting and that that is good. Um,
I don't live my life by being so concer strained.
(30:00):
And that also that word constrained really um lit up
with them as well, And I said, I don't claim
any religion at all. Actually, if somebody put a gun
up to my head, which would piss me off, but
if they said, pick a religion, I would probably say,
can you somehow combine Buddhism and Episcopalians? I don't know
(30:22):
if that's possible. Is that like making a a mating
a giraffe and a mule. I don't know. But is
there something else? Yeah? Right, you've never seen one. That's
what I'm saying. Um, But I said, I prefer not
to choose. I prefer to live my life with the
idea that we're all equal and we're all awesome and
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um and to and to live and pursue my life
like that and still very much believe and God and
the and the other side. And I go into all
of that and it's like, I go, I have proof
that there is something beyond what you see right now
with your own eyeballs. I've lived it, I've heard it,
I've seen it. I even have photographs of it. It's like,
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how could I not believe a god? It? Where do
you think I got like these gifts from? How could
I ever deny that? But what I can deny is
um all the dogma. And it was interesting. They were
It's like after they were all real it's like they
were relieved because they didn't want's join that. It's such
a beautiful combination of faith and creation, right, Like, that's
(31:36):
that's your path. That's yeah, and and and yes, very
much so. Um and and they and they work so
well hand in hand because so much of my creativity
comes from that faith. Yeah. You know, it's like when
I started my journey with you. Frankly, it all comes
back to you. Oh my god, look at that. It
(31:58):
all comes back to you. My tepoo got a new rhyme. Um.
I mean, even though I was grieving, struggling all of
those things, when I when I kind of that that
it just clicked for me. Um, everything got better. Yeah, everything.
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I started creating like a mad woman because my belief
was where it was. I didn't feel like I wasn't
you know, I wasn't tied down to anything in particular. Um.
But I have the good sense for me to have
a compass up to know what I think is right
and what is wrong. And I do believe a lot
of the teachings are wrong. I don't think gay people
(32:40):
are bad by the way gay was Homosexual isn't the
Bible to the fifties, you know. Um, I think people
want to make their own decisions about who they marry.
I think people can make that, you know, all those
things nuts um, But it's like, but it's all attached though,
And that's the part that people struggle with, and that's
the religion just part. And you know, there are people
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who can still who still attend different churches or synagogues, wherever,
the temples, wherever they may go, and they can actually
have the sense to filter a lot of that themselves.
I choose not to participate, so I don't have to
filter already know, but I and I'm not against people.
I have lots of people in this world that I
love very dearly that are a part of churches or
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temples or synagogues and they get to choose, and I
think that is what the most important part is. But
for me, when it comes to having those conversations, I
just try to open it up for folks, whether they
still want to attend or not attend. It's more about
it's what is it that you want to get out
of it, how constrained you want to be. And it
always comes down to dog with because nobody agrees fully
(33:43):
with any of these teachings, it really is. And again,
I think, you know, our our point in the invitation
into this conversation today is just to consider, like so
many times we join, it's yourn is that you're joining um,
but really to peel it back and go, wait, what
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what is my faith? What do I feel is my
accountability and responsibility to create out of that faith? How
can these two coexist within me and not feel drained
or taxed or conflicted? A right that the conflict is fine.
I think it's an interesting place to to look. It's
an interesting place to discuss because out of there comes
(34:28):
growth and clarity. And so I don't be afraid if
it's not clear, is my point. Yeah, and also just
to give everybody hope. I'm a member of three things,
Amazon Prime, then the Gym, and I'm an Oscar voter.
That is, I am not a member of even Triple A.
I'm not remember but actually sold, but it is um,
(34:51):
I've I am. I choose and I'm very picky about
what I join. I'm very picky of groups to be
a part of, whether it's religio us, whether it's cultural
or whatever it may be. Yeah, and and again just
bringing it back to how you create your faith, how
you create your life and just explore a little bit
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because you're worth it. You're worth it figuring it out
and not just doing it by default. And an answer
can be different over time, and in fact, I hope
it is. You know, my answer ten years ago is
different than it was today, than it was ten years
part of that, than ten years part of that, than
tenear is part of that, you know. So we all
also get the ability to evolve in this. We have
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the ability to make different choices because we can learn
from it and decide something different, or we might feel
like we're missing out on something. You want to be
back a part of it. It's all again choices right
without a doubt. So thanks for listening, everybody, Thanks for
engaging in the conversation within yourself and maybe with some
of your loved ones into all of my Amazon Prime people.
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