July 13, 2022 • 30 mins
Word of the Day is back and today we are exploring 'Reverence'.
This high-vibe word is not one that's commonly heard or felt, but when Reverence hits you, it brings you back to your natural state of wonder. It's those moments when you remember you are part of something so much bigger than your self—overcome with gratitude, grace, and humility. It moves your heart to reclaim the space in this world that's full of magical miracles and mystical vibes. In its embrace, you remember what truly matters.
Today we discuss this beautiful state of Reverence: how to allow it, recognize it, cultivate and call it forth.
Earth School is hard, without the feelings that lie deep within a space of Reverence.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of I Heart Radio. Hi y'all, I'm Julie. Hi there,
I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the other Side.
Now you all need to know that we're obsessed with
everything on the other side. Yes we are, because once
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you learn to navigate the energetic, or to some the
invisible world, life is going to be more fun and
much more serene. Heck, yes it can, because let's be honest, Brian,
earth school is hard. In fact, you taught me that
let's crush Earth School together. Well, hello, and you're already
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giggling as you do. Oh yes, boom out of the
gate you are. We're just getting started. How are you.
I'm doing great, Thank you. I'm doing great. And I
just to the listeners know, I'm gonna drop a few things.
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I'm gonna drop the mic a few times on Brenda today,
and I'm very excited about it. Oh gosh, Okay, So
this is effectively my show. Okay, it's a word of
the day. And I know that's always one of your
favorites because of course there was your idea, my creative
out and I differ willingly enthusiastically, So drop the word.
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What do you know? What's will? Our word is reverence
r E v E r e n c E. Reverence
dosn't remind you of a spelling be because it reminds me.
And I just have to say before we actually get
further into reverence, and thank you for giggling, because you
know you're my best audience on the planet is um
will you and Sulky? But you still win UM because
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she's a dog. So Um in fifth grade, I can't,
I can't believe I remember this, but I lost the
seldn B because I misspelled circumstance. I called it C
I R s U M S T A and C.
Now I was ten years old, almost forty three years
ago that I lost in the spelling B. But I
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can't tell you what I had for breakfast today. That's
funny how things stay with you, you stay with us. Yes,
And I'm sure again you are very very capable, elf,
and you are used to exceeding at your endeavors, and
so that things were that didn't happen, I'm sure stand
out very strongly, and some kids are even traumatized by
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that experience. I don't think you were. Now I'm not traumatized,
but I have always spelled that word correctly since no doubt. Yeah,
so since nineteen seventy nine, I had spelled circumstance correctly. Now,
reverence is a word that I did not know then.
In fact, I didn't know it until into my adult hood.
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And I'm actually really excited to talk about it today
because it's probably one of the most powerful words that
has been injected into my own vocabulary. Because you know,
powerful words are those that you can feel them from
a cellular standpoint. You know, it comes from deep within
it does? It does? Um, And if you don't mind,
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I'm going to do a quick Webster's Dictionary definition for everybody,
because hey, listen there, I know there are elves out
there that don't know what this word is, or if
they've heard it, they maybe haven't looked it up. It's
not exactly a popular word. If you go to church
a lot, you might see it on a sign. Um
it's it's it's not. It's such a useful word because
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I feel like saying it it literally vibrates like it
reverberates within you, right, it does like it's just it's
almost like an amount of peda that way, you know,
like it it feels, how it sounds, and how it means,
Like it just brings um, almost a stillness within. Yeah,
and so I think that's why I love it so much.
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It's like it is extraordinary. So okay, we love it. Yeah,
nerdy elf will just a little bit. So, Um, there's
multiple of course, is multiple definitions for every word, right,
but so I'll just give you a little bit of
of what it says. So, I think the most important
part of this definition is the first thing they have
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the first jury for this, which is um to honor
or respect felt or shown. So this is about honoring,
and that's to me the most powerful part of the definition. Respect.
Of course, honoring is not the same as respect. To me,
it's different, it's deeper, it's higher. Maybe is my higher calling.
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It is honor to me is a higher calling. And
I think that's why in this word to me is
a higher calling. Right, I think you absolutely nail it
is a higher calling. So, and it talks about profound, adore, ring,
odd respect, things like that. Um, there are some nouns
that I think would be really useful when you start
looking at some synonyms for it. Um so, honor, homage, um, deference.
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We're going to do a whole difference I think episode
that's another love that word, although we probably could blend
it into this one. Um um from a verb standpoint, revere, um, worship,
a door or some of the words that that they
use for that, and they have sentences in which they
use them, but y'all can look those up. Beyond damn self,
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I'm not exactly practicing reverence in that last statement. Well
inclusivity maybe there you go, there you go, but there's
there's a lot of uses for it. And you know
it was first um. I think when I first saw
the word was actually at a cathedral, and then we
signed when you first signed, when I when I first
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saw the word, it was honest sign in a cathedral
and asking you to practice reverence. And I'm like, oh,
and by the way, if you had to pick a
place right, a place of worship, no matter what worship,
whether it's a cathedral, whether it's a mosque, you know,
whether it's a temple, whether it's your own Actually I thought,
like the woods, it's exactly right where wherever you worship, right,
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I mean, but for real, like it could be wiccan
it could be. It doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.
It is you know, in those places that are sacred.
I guess, right is where I think the obvious place
where this word can emerge and feel very fitting right
to that, to that location. I'll tell you why after
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this break. On a little uh, little uh footnote on
why I think deservings Brennan. I tried to record this
episode yesterday, but we had technical difficulties. We did, and
getting very generous by saying we it was me, Well
it was we were too. And where you go? I
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go and man, because I don't have a choice. But um,
I always find that when those things happened like that,
there's always a reason. We just never know at the
moment why. And when we come back, I will tell
you why. So we're gonna take a quick break. We'll
be right back. Cliffhanger, all right, and welcome back. Thanks
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So every time they get you, every time, it's so easy.
I love you so much, You're so easy. I am
in that way, but not in the technology way. So
I'm curious, why why do you think that my end
of the thing up blown up yesterday? Do you think
your technology failed and yesterday because interestingly enough, Um, Susanne
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and I have a guest house guest right now, okay,
and Um, I just said, prior to the break of
for me personally, where I first saw the word, right,
I will tell you in my life when I first
felt the word, but I didn't have the word and
it was actually for um. So our guest is Melissa
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mcnamair here at the house. And Melissa is the women's
golf coach at Auburn University. And Melissa's from Oklahoma and
she and I were competitors when we were young. And
her mother is was the women's golf coach at Tulsa University,
and she paved the way for anybody, any woman that
has played golfer is playing golfer their kids. You can
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thank Dale McNamara for that because she literally fought for
girls to have a place on the golf course. She
fought for girls to have a place in college to
be able to play their sport. So that's Dale. Dale
was the one who um and it all started. Actually
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she recruited Nancy Lopez. And for those that no don't
know about golf, Nancy Lopez. So if if you're under fifty,
you might not it is worth looking up. But Nancy
Lopez is actually the professional woman, very much a pioneer. Well,
so Dale was the pioneer that pioneered Nancy right, and
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not just Nancy, I mean Dale has impacted so many
young women's lives that she'll never meet. And and Dale
is still living. She actually lives in Tulsa. And the
reason why why it dawned on me the importance of
this is that I was actually talking to List in
the kitchen and I said, you know, I have always
felt such great reverence to you and your mother, and
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it is all about honor, and it is all about
respect and that high vibe honor because I saw them
treat everyone the same. I saw them be so kind
and so respectful and so open to all. I told
Melissa the story of when her mother came up and
taught me how to put in under five minutes. Whoah, yeah,
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she stood up. And so those at golf, I'm gonna
tell you what it is. So you know, sin treeb
on on Insider's God to the other side is a
little ball, sometimes sometimes this side and sometimes this side.
Um is. She told me to hold the putter like
a baby bird. Um, and to never move my head.
She goes, Julie, I promise you you're not going to
lose the ball, so don't move your head. Just let it,
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just hit it, and just stay still. And she said,
visualize it going before you hit it. Before you strike
the ball, visualize it going into the hole and then
coming back out at you. So it was like double visualization.
From that moment on, I had the greatest putting game
and I still have a really good putting game, right.
And here's the thing. Dale didn't have to do that.
It wasn't required of her, It wasn't required of any
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of them. And was it is grace. They are grace,
And how I feel about their grace is reverence. That
is how my honor them right, to honor them back
for not just how they treated me, but they treated
me way better than they really ever needed to or
should have, um, but how they treated everybody so right.
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And so I think the reason was because I actually
have this, this word, this emotion is is right here
in front of me and my home. And I think
that's why is that. I think it was a story, right,
you needed this story, that everybody needed the story. And
we start enough to surrender and not restart my computer
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in the moment. And because my advice was my tech
advice was turned your computer off, Hi tech, turned it off.
But I think that because I think that when we
talk about these different words UM, to have context around
them and our experiences around them and what and and
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to tell a story about how how it makes us feel. UM,
I think it's helpful for for people to understand it
and to think about that themselves. Right, And so when
I think about this word, I just gave you the
example of how I feel about you know, Melissa and
her mom. But then you want to turn it around
and be like, how can I be in the world
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well where other people will see me that way? Why?
How can? And the best way to to really pay
homage to honor is to pay it forward? And right
you're paying it forward right in the way someone did
that for you. So I love that to live live
your life almost like a challenge to find those opportunities.
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You know, it's interesting, um, Like compared to you, I
don't have a lot of words, but like in general,
I have a lot of words. You know, mercury rules
my chart in astrology. But when I think about those
moments of reverence. I don't have words like it's it's
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so deep within and it's such a sacred space I
don't have. It can bring tears. I just I just don't.
It can't it can because it's so big. It is
truly one of the greatest words to me in the
English language. Yeah, it's it's um. It's it's beyond verbal
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and it's just like I can make all kinds of
motions around my heart for the expansion and the overwhelm
and the gratitude UM and the just the sacred space
and being in awe. But that's it. That's how I got.
But I think what you're saying so and I actually
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love that because you are rarely, let's be honest, speechless,
because you're really not. I mean, I'm a talker, but
you're I've never actually seeing you respond to something like
this like I am right now, and that I hope
let's everybody in the audience know how powerful that this
word is, and especially if you allow it to be powerful,
because I think the thing is allowing this in your
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life and to think about this, honoring this, having reverence
for something is um. It doesn't just have to be
a place of worship or like childhood idols um and
and their moms. But it's you know, really to work
on this is to look at someone else's life and
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how they be and who they are and have reverence
for their path, have reverence for who they are. Differences
and when you know how hard someone has worked and
to see them show up with such grace, it really is.
It is such an honor to be in their presence. Yes, right,
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it's like, wow, oh are you kidding to when I
was a kid, and again you know, how formed do
we become as children, right, like our childhood adolescence, It
really molds much of who we are. Um, and you're
really grateful for all of it because it's who you are, right,
it's you like glove your journey because it blames you
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and I and you were actually you know, I was
kind of joking about the spelling bee and how I
remember that word right, because and I didn't, Like I
didn't lose very much. It's just I didn't and mainly
because I did things that I wouldn't lose. That because
I was sporty and there you go, um HANDI cornation
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which my nieces found out how good for Max throwing,
but um, sarahs it's it's it's really weird. It is
a gift. But I remember a number of times that
I would come up against Melissa, like because we used
to play um, whether it was lowest score, whether it
was a match play, I came up against her match
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play and a number of big, big tournaments, and I remember,
and this is what reverences I was the best loser
you've ever met. That reference still to this day, I
talked about it. In fact, I told her, I, did
you know how much I and my honored losing to you?
It was an honor to lose to you. It was,
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And that to me, it's like that's when I first
I didn't know the word, but I knew it was
something and I knew I was different when I was
in that space. And if there's ever right, but if
there's ever even today, and I'm so glad that we
talk about these different words. I do. I do love
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word of the day, or technically the word of the week,
but um, word of the the day sounds more fun, uh,
it sounds more urgent. Um that that it also reminds me.
And so since we've been talking about doing this episode,
I've been kind of swimming in the reverence, right, I've
been swimming in it and reminding myself of it, and
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I because I know how it felt before and it's
I felt it multiple times. It was just the kind
of the the or it's my Iron Man stories, my
my reference origin story, right, it is my origin story
with this word. But to remember it because again it's
not a word we hear. In fact, I rarely hear
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this word rarely. Mm hmm. I think it shows up
in my world a little bit more frequently, probably, yeah,
just and and sometimes it's it's really an invitation or
almost a challenge in my regular conversation is like where
will you cultivate your reverence? And sometimes it's for yourself,
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like people don't have and understand and activate and their
thoughts in their words and their actions reverence for even
their life. Like you said, own your worry, right, it
makes your ship show, but it's your ship show, you know,
like own it and love your journey simply because it's
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yours and people you know so like. But to really
know that it's something you can cultivate, right if you
don't have that relationship or it wasn't instinctual or it
wasn't you know, um, whatever it is, you know, like
you can reach for it and develop a relationship and
develop something. You know, I really I think about being
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in the garden, like just things that are so small
and so extraordinary, um that it brings me so much
joy and like for no reason, this amazing bloom happens
just like I lose my mind. It is um with
so much gratitude. I feel that when I see a
dolphin jump in the water, don't think it I mean,
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I mean that is like it's the best. It's majestic.
It is it is, you know. And and again we
can have other words that we describe, but what you
feel about it is reverence. You don't feel majestic about that.
You feel reverence for it. And and I think it's
a place of And tell me if I'm right on this,
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because I know you will. An invitation is for you
to correct me. But it feels humble. There's there's an
element for me. I completely understand what you mean, because
for me, there's this element that says there's something so
much bigger than me that's part of me. And and
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just so grateful for this example, for this inspiration, for
this experience, to be in the to be in the presence,
Like that's just what I keep thinking. So I have
these crazy lilac bushes, and um that they remind me
of Wisconsin. We have like giant giant hedges like rose
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like go on forever hedges of Lila. It's one of
the things that just moved my heart, you know. And
how sense tweaks our memory so much like in a
good way. And in my you know, energy studies, they
would say every single bloom, in every branch of lilacs
has its own spirit that has studied for millennial to
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know exactly for the peak openness, and so to to
celebrate and and whole in reverence all the energy that
went to de light for you know, maybe two weeks
if we're lucky, you know, like it's it's such an
extraordinary thing. So you do you remember? Um, Actually, we
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didn't take another break. I was going to say, I
think I would take another quick break, and I'm going
to do do they do you remember again? Okay, we'll
be right back. Hopefully I'll remember remember to come back. Okay,
and welcome back. Oh my god, I wish you guys
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could hear what just went on it was insanity, very funny.
Oh my god, Okay, so what I was gonna say? Um,
And for those that read my book, if you can
remember when the last stories that I tell that actually
took me months to write the last page of the book,
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but it was about there was a bee that landed
in the pool and I wanted to assure the be
out to save the b right, like I was doing
the whole b thing. And I remember, and I just
dawned on me as we're talking about this how I
felt in that moment because I didn't actually express this
part in the book. I think I was being more
sarkat or being funny in the book at the time.
But I remember looking at at be and thinking, my
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what you have gone through. Don't go down like this?
What you know? It was a I actually had reverence
for that be's life where it was like, you've gone
through so much and you do so much. Let me
do this so you can continue you your work. Because
I had so much admiration and honored the bucking b Yeah,
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which are amazing, right, they are amazing, But but it's
like you can feel this from you know, people from
your child humans from your childhood. You can feel it
from the earth, from lilacs, be a yourself, like it's
not limited, I think, is why I wanted to bring
up the b part of it. It's like, it doesn't
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it doesn't have to be grand. And that's the beauty
of reverence. It doesn't require you to be grand. It's
not asking you to be grand, it's asking you to honor. Yeah. Yeah,
And I just think it's it's it's such a touchstone
in my life. You know, when I get too busy,
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or I get overwhelmed, or you know, take your version
of the story, you know, whatever stresses you out, and
then just like wait a minute, you know I have
I have these regular conversations and then wait a minute,
I got carried away and I have to remember what
matters to me right right, and what and what do
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you honor? You know, like what do you honor? What
isn't what is important to you? Because the thing is
what we all have reverence for is different, right, and
it should be. It's not the same, it's not everyone's
not not required to have the same list or the
same stories. And that's part of the beauty that makes
us all different. And if I'm not mistaken and if
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you wouldn't mind sharing. When I talked about my origin
story of understanding the word, what was it that happened
that made you almost fall out of your chair? So
you said you had a house guest, right, Melissa McNamara,
And I'm entertaining a house guests this evening, Michelle McNamara
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from aaracter And it's just like, what are you talking about?
I mean, how great? Right? These are those moments like
I love these and I'm thank you for sharing that
because I know this is a friend I actually did.
I I saw permission, I asked. I asked Melissa if
I could talk about her on the show today and
she said yes. Um. And what I love about this
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is these are those moments that make me just look
up at the sky and say thank you. See I
think of those moments and I go pop Tart. Well,
I can talk part too, And those that don't know
go read that chapter. But it is really, but it
is it's a very much a pop Tart moment. It's
these moments of like synchronous Yeah, it is. It's like
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the universe is there's magic out there, folks, And it's
just an affirmation like it's just the the universe winking
at you like we're all in on the joke, and
it's you know, it's it's magic. The world's magic world.
The world is especially in what I love about this
and what we're talking about. None of what we're talking
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about has anything to do with the current events nothing.
It has nothing to do with that. It has nothing
to do with, you know, anything bad happening in the world.
This is a conversation really because when you feel reverence,
and if you haven't felt it that, it feels like magic.
And the in the in the synchronicity that we just
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had feels like magic. This is the Remember the world
is magic people all the time, And if we had
recorded yesterday, none of this would have come up right.
It's just it's these little things and it doesn't matter
how educated you are, how healthy you are, how much
money you make. When you live like it doesn't it
is available literally in every moment. And remember it's reverence.
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R E V E R July the spelling ben. I
see what you did there that be things? Thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you, and it rhynd I
mean the whole thing works um so I um I
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you know I would love if if everybody was was
really up for it. Um, you know, take a look
at the definition or if you know, if it's something
that is you know, part of your life. It's definitely
been brend a part of your life for a long time.
It's been a part of mine for a while. Um,
you know, tell us your stories about reverence, like what
is it that you feel reverence for? And I would
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I would love to know and happy to read those
things on a on an episode if if you guys
want to tell us about it. Yeah, so just go
go to the other side guys on Instagram and let
us know what are those things that you feel reverence for?
And if you don't have words, you can tell us
how it helps you feel. Absolutely, thank you? Yes, correct, yeah, correct, Yeah.
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If there's a feeling you have and it's a color,
tell us what that color is that you guys know
how you feel? Like what? How what you choose? Right?
You know, I go down the word route because you know,
you got a lot of them and a lot of
them and uh, even I just geminized my moon anyway,
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I talk a lot. Even I remember as a young
child in church choir and you know, not even double digits,
but being inquiring and feeling that and not having you know,
and just in that frequency, in that um you know,
they make word that would be atmosphere like that's the
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word they would just here in the atmosphere of the divine.
And yeah, such I felt that way when I grew
up in the Piscopal Church and I was an acolyte.
And then when when the old guys asked who's that
little boy carrying the cross? What it was? And that
was clearly my cross. The bear was a boy, Seriously
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it was. Yeah, but there was something about the the rhythm,
the the ritual of the ceremony was I I think
I very much felt reverence at that time too. Yeah,
it's really nice. Um And again I have felt it
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in a forest, I have felt it in an ocean. Um.
And but but it's a really beautiful thing. And I'm
so glad that we're able to actually share this. After
these years we've been doing this show, we've never actually
talked about reverence. And I couldn't be in more reverence
for talking about reverence. It is. It's a gift that
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keeps giving. It just spirals you up the best time.
It says, it does indeed, so thank you my help
for bringing this word forward for us to share and discussion,
discuss and swim around in because it's really lovely. Thank you,
Thank you, my Witchy Pooh. And I have a tremendous
amount of reverence for you, and I always will and
I have in past lives. I feel sure and it
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will continue. It will continue through whatever it is that
that happens after this one. There is no doubt our
connection is solid. We must have been witches in the
in the witch Trials, I think so. Thanks for listening, everybody,
and remember her school is hard without reverence and the
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and a special thanks to our producer Joey pat and
our executive producer Maya Cole Howard, who guides us well.
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you learn to navigate the energetic, or to some the
invisible world, life is going to be more fun and
much more serene. Heck, yes it can, because let's be honest, Brian,
earth school is hard. In fact, you taught me that
let's crush Earth School together. Well, hello, and you're already
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giggling as you do. Oh yes, boom out of the
gate you are. We're just getting started. How are you.
I'm doing great, Thank you. I'm doing great. And I
just to the listeners know, I'm gonna drop a few things.
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I'm gonna drop the mic a few times on Brenda today,
and I'm very excited about it. Oh gosh, Okay, So
this is effectively my show. Okay, it's a word of
the day. And I know that's always one of your
favorites because of course there was your idea, my creative
out and I differ willingly enthusiastically, So drop the word.
(01:29):
What do you know? What's will? Our word is reverence
r E v E r e n c E. Reverence
dosn't remind you of a spelling be because it reminds me.
And I just have to say before we actually get
further into reverence, and thank you for giggling, because you
know you're my best audience on the planet is um
will you and Sulky? But you still win UM because
(01:52):
she's a dog. So Um in fifth grade, I can't,
I can't believe I remember this, but I lost the
seldn B because I misspelled circumstance. I called it C
I R s U M S T A and C.
Now I was ten years old, almost forty three years
ago that I lost in the spelling B. But I
(02:15):
can't tell you what I had for breakfast today. That's
funny how things stay with you, you stay with us. Yes,
And I'm sure again you are very very capable, elf,
and you are used to exceeding at your endeavors, and
so that things were that didn't happen, I'm sure stand
out very strongly, and some kids are even traumatized by
(02:38):
that experience. I don't think you were. Now I'm not traumatized,
but I have always spelled that word correctly since no doubt. Yeah,
so since nineteen seventy nine, I had spelled circumstance correctly. Now,
reverence is a word that I did not know then.
In fact, I didn't know it until into my adult hood.
(03:01):
And I'm actually really excited to talk about it today
because it's probably one of the most powerful words that
has been injected into my own vocabulary. Because you know,
powerful words are those that you can feel them from
a cellular standpoint. You know, it comes from deep within
it does? It does? Um, And if you don't mind,
(03:23):
I'm going to do a quick Webster's Dictionary definition for everybody,
because hey, listen there, I know there are elves out
there that don't know what this word is, or if
they've heard it, they maybe haven't looked it up. It's
not exactly a popular word. If you go to church
a lot, you might see it on a sign. Um
it's it's it's not. It's such a useful word because
(03:44):
I feel like saying it it literally vibrates like it
reverberates within you, right, it does like it's just it's
almost like an amount of peda that way, you know,
like it it feels, how it sounds, and how it means,
Like it just brings um, almost a stillness within. Yeah,
and so I think that's why I love it so much.
(04:04):
It's like it is extraordinary. So okay, we love it. Yeah,
nerdy elf will just a little bit. So, Um, there's
multiple of course, is multiple definitions for every word, right,
but so I'll just give you a little bit of
of what it says. So, I think the most important
part of this definition is the first thing they have
(04:25):
the first jury for this, which is um to honor
or respect felt or shown. So this is about honoring,
and that's to me the most powerful part of the definition. Respect.
Of course, honoring is not the same as respect. To me,
it's different, it's deeper, it's higher. Maybe is my higher calling.
(04:49):
It is honor to me is a higher calling. And
I think that's why in this word to me is
a higher calling. Right, I think you absolutely nail it
is a higher calling. So, and it talks about profound, adore, ring,
odd respect, things like that. Um, there are some nouns
that I think would be really useful when you start
looking at some synonyms for it. Um so, honor, homage, um, deference.
(05:14):
We're going to do a whole difference I think episode
that's another love that word, although we probably could blend
it into this one. Um um from a verb standpoint, revere, um, worship,
a door or some of the words that that they
use for that, and they have sentences in which they
use them, but y'all can look those up. Beyond damn self,
(05:36):
I'm not exactly practicing reverence in that last statement. Well
inclusivity maybe there you go, there you go, but there's
there's a lot of uses for it. And you know
it was first um. I think when I first saw
the word was actually at a cathedral, and then we
signed when you first signed, when I when I first
(05:58):
saw the word, it was honest sign in a cathedral
and asking you to practice reverence. And I'm like, oh,
and by the way, if you had to pick a
place right, a place of worship, no matter what worship,
whether it's a cathedral, whether it's a mosque, you know,
whether it's a temple, whether it's your own Actually I thought,
like the woods, it's exactly right where wherever you worship, right,
(06:20):
I mean, but for real, like it could be wiccan
it could be. It doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.
It is you know, in those places that are sacred.
I guess, right is where I think the obvious place
where this word can emerge and feel very fitting right
to that, to that location. I'll tell you why after
(06:41):
this break. On a little uh, little uh footnote on
why I think deservings Brennan. I tried to record this
episode yesterday, but we had technical difficulties. We did, and
getting very generous by saying we it was me, Well
it was we were too. And where you go? I
(07:02):
go and man, because I don't have a choice. But um,
I always find that when those things happened like that,
there's always a reason. We just never know at the
moment why. And when we come back, I will tell
you why. So we're gonna take a quick break. We'll
be right back. Cliffhanger, all right, and welcome back. Thanks
(07:33):
So every time they get you, every time, it's so easy.
I love you so much, You're so easy. I am
in that way, but not in the technology way. So
I'm curious, why why do you think that my end
of the thing up blown up yesterday? Do you think
your technology failed and yesterday because interestingly enough, Um, Susanne
(07:57):
and I have a guest house guest right now, okay,
and Um, I just said, prior to the break of
for me personally, where I first saw the word, right,
I will tell you in my life when I first
felt the word, but I didn't have the word and
it was actually for um. So our guest is Melissa
(08:17):
mcnamair here at the house. And Melissa is the women's
golf coach at Auburn University. And Melissa's from Oklahoma and
she and I were competitors when we were young. And
her mother is was the women's golf coach at Tulsa University,
and she paved the way for anybody, any woman that
has played golfer is playing golfer their kids. You can
(08:39):
thank Dale McNamara for that because she literally fought for
girls to have a place on the golf course. She
fought for girls to have a place in college to
be able to play their sport. So that's Dale. Dale
was the one who um and it all started. Actually
(09:00):
she recruited Nancy Lopez. And for those that no don't
know about golf, Nancy Lopez. So if if you're under fifty,
you might not it is worth looking up. But Nancy
Lopez is actually the professional woman, very much a pioneer. Well,
so Dale was the pioneer that pioneered Nancy right, and
(09:21):
not just Nancy, I mean Dale has impacted so many
young women's lives that she'll never meet. And and Dale
is still living. She actually lives in Tulsa. And the
reason why why it dawned on me the importance of
this is that I was actually talking to List in
the kitchen and I said, you know, I have always
felt such great reverence to you and your mother, and
(09:42):
it is all about honor, and it is all about
respect and that high vibe honor because I saw them
treat everyone the same. I saw them be so kind
and so respectful and so open to all. I told
Melissa the story of when her mother came up and
taught me how to put in under five minutes. Whoah, yeah,
(10:06):
she stood up. And so those at golf, I'm gonna
tell you what it is. So you know, sin treeb
on on Insider's God to the other side is a
little ball, sometimes sometimes this side and sometimes this side.
Um is. She told me to hold the putter like
a baby bird. Um, and to never move my head.
She goes, Julie, I promise you you're not going to
lose the ball, so don't move your head. Just let it,
(10:29):
just hit it, and just stay still. And she said,
visualize it going before you hit it. Before you strike
the ball, visualize it going into the hole and then
coming back out at you. So it was like double visualization.
From that moment on, I had the greatest putting game
and I still have a really good putting game, right.
And here's the thing. Dale didn't have to do that.
It wasn't required of her, It wasn't required of any
(10:51):
of them. And was it is grace. They are grace,
And how I feel about their grace is reverence. That
is how my honor them right, to honor them back
for not just how they treated me, but they treated
me way better than they really ever needed to or
should have, um, but how they treated everybody so right.
(11:12):
And so I think the reason was because I actually
have this, this word, this emotion is is right here
in front of me and my home. And I think
that's why is that. I think it was a story, right,
you needed this story, that everybody needed the story. And
we start enough to surrender and not restart my computer
(11:33):
in the moment. And because my advice was my tech
advice was turned your computer off, Hi tech, turned it off.
But I think that because I think that when we
talk about these different words UM, to have context around
them and our experiences around them and what and and
(11:55):
to tell a story about how how it makes us feel. UM,
I think it's helpful for for people to understand it
and to think about that themselves. Right, And so when
I think about this word, I just gave you the
example of how I feel about you know, Melissa and
her mom. But then you want to turn it around
and be like, how can I be in the world
(12:16):
well where other people will see me that way? Why?
How can? And the best way to to really pay
homage to honor is to pay it forward? And right
you're paying it forward right in the way someone did
that for you. So I love that to live live
your life almost like a challenge to find those opportunities.
(12:37):
You know, it's interesting, um, Like compared to you, I
don't have a lot of words, but like in general,
I have a lot of words. You know, mercury rules
my chart in astrology. But when I think about those
moments of reverence. I don't have words like it's it's
(12:59):
so deep within and it's such a sacred space I
don't have. It can bring tears. I just I just don't.
It can't it can because it's so big. It is
truly one of the greatest words to me in the
English language. Yeah, it's it's um. It's it's beyond verbal
(13:20):
and it's just like I can make all kinds of
motions around my heart for the expansion and the overwhelm
and the gratitude UM and the just the sacred space
and being in awe. But that's it. That's how I got.
But I think what you're saying so and I actually
(13:42):
love that because you are rarely, let's be honest, speechless,
because you're really not. I mean, I'm a talker, but
you're I've never actually seeing you respond to something like
this like I am right now, and that I hope
let's everybody in the audience know how powerful that this
word is, and especially if you allow it to be powerful,
because I think the thing is allowing this in your
(14:04):
life and to think about this, honoring this, having reverence
for something is um. It doesn't just have to be
a place of worship or like childhood idols um and
and their moms. But it's you know, really to work
on this is to look at someone else's life and
(14:27):
how they be and who they are and have reverence
for their path, have reverence for who they are. Differences
and when you know how hard someone has worked and
to see them show up with such grace, it really is.
It is such an honor to be in their presence. Yes, right,
(14:51):
it's like, wow, oh are you kidding to when I
was a kid, and again you know, how formed do
we become as children, right, like our childhood adolescence, It
really molds much of who we are. Um, and you're
really grateful for all of it because it's who you are, right,
it's you like glove your journey because it blames you
(15:12):
and I and you were actually you know, I was
kind of joking about the spelling bee and how I
remember that word right, because and I didn't, Like I
didn't lose very much. It's just I didn't and mainly
because I did things that I wouldn't lose. That because
I was sporty and there you go, um HANDI cornation
(15:33):
which my nieces found out how good for Max throwing,
but um, sarahs it's it's it's really weird. It is
a gift. But I remember a number of times that
I would come up against Melissa, like because we used
to play um, whether it was lowest score, whether it
was a match play, I came up against her match
(15:55):
play and a number of big, big tournaments, and I remember,
and this is what reverences I was the best loser
you've ever met. That reference still to this day, I
talked about it. In fact, I told her, I, did
you know how much I and my honored losing to you?
It was an honor to lose to you. It was,
(16:17):
And that to me, it's like that's when I first
I didn't know the word, but I knew it was
something and I knew I was different when I was
in that space. And if there's ever right, but if
there's ever even today, and I'm so glad that we
talk about these different words. I do. I do love
(16:39):
word of the day, or technically the word of the week,
but um, word of the the day sounds more fun, uh,
it sounds more urgent. Um that that it also reminds me.
And so since we've been talking about doing this episode,
I've been kind of swimming in the reverence, right, I've
been swimming in it and reminding myself of it, and
(17:01):
I because I know how it felt before and it's
I felt it multiple times. It was just the kind
of the the or it's my Iron Man stories, my
my reference origin story, right, it is my origin story
with this word. But to remember it because again it's
not a word we hear. In fact, I rarely hear
(17:24):
this word rarely. Mm hmm. I think it shows up
in my world a little bit more frequently, probably, yeah,
just and and sometimes it's it's really an invitation or
almost a challenge in my regular conversation is like where
will you cultivate your reverence? And sometimes it's for yourself,
(17:48):
like people don't have and understand and activate and their
thoughts in their words and their actions reverence for even
their life. Like you said, own your worry, right, it
makes your ship show, but it's your ship show, you know,
like own it and love your journey simply because it's
(18:08):
yours and people you know so like. But to really
know that it's something you can cultivate, right if you
don't have that relationship or it wasn't instinctual or it
wasn't you know, um, whatever it is, you know, like
you can reach for it and develop a relationship and
develop something. You know, I really I think about being
(18:32):
in the garden, like just things that are so small
and so extraordinary, um that it brings me so much
joy and like for no reason, this amazing bloom happens
just like I lose my mind. It is um with
so much gratitude. I feel that when I see a
dolphin jump in the water, don't think it I mean,
(18:54):
I mean that is like it's the best. It's majestic.
It is it is, you know. And and again we
can have other words that we describe, but what you
feel about it is reverence. You don't feel majestic about that.
You feel reverence for it. And and I think it's
a place of And tell me if I'm right on this,
(19:14):
because I know you will. An invitation is for you
to correct me. But it feels humble. There's there's an
element for me. I completely understand what you mean, because
for me, there's this element that says there's something so
much bigger than me that's part of me. And and
(19:36):
just so grateful for this example, for this inspiration, for
this experience, to be in the to be in the presence,
Like that's just what I keep thinking. So I have
these crazy lilac bushes, and um that they remind me
of Wisconsin. We have like giant giant hedges like rose
(19:57):
like go on forever hedges of Lila. It's one of
the things that just moved my heart, you know. And
how sense tweaks our memory so much like in a
good way. And in my you know, energy studies, they
would say every single bloom, in every branch of lilacs
has its own spirit that has studied for millennial to
(20:18):
know exactly for the peak openness, and so to to
celebrate and and whole in reverence all the energy that
went to de light for you know, maybe two weeks
if we're lucky, you know, like it's it's such an
extraordinary thing. So you do you remember? Um, Actually, we
(20:42):
didn't take another break. I was going to say, I
think I would take another quick break, and I'm going
to do do they do you remember again? Okay, we'll
be right back. Hopefully I'll remember remember to come back. Okay,
and welcome back. Oh my god, I wish you guys
(21:02):
could hear what just went on it was insanity, very funny.
Oh my god, Okay, so what I was gonna say? Um,
And for those that read my book, if you can
remember when the last stories that I tell that actually
took me months to write the last page of the book,
(21:22):
but it was about there was a bee that landed
in the pool and I wanted to assure the be
out to save the b right, like I was doing
the whole b thing. And I remember, and I just
dawned on me as we're talking about this how I
felt in that moment because I didn't actually express this
part in the book. I think I was being more
sarkat or being funny in the book at the time.
But I remember looking at at be and thinking, my
(21:45):
what you have gone through. Don't go down like this?
What you know? It was a I actually had reverence
for that be's life where it was like, you've gone
through so much and you do so much. Let me
do this so you can continue you your work. Because
I had so much admiration and honored the bucking b Yeah,
(22:07):
which are amazing, right, they are amazing, But but it's
like you can feel this from you know, people from
your child humans from your childhood. You can feel it
from the earth, from lilacs, be a yourself, like it's
not limited, I think, is why I wanted to bring
up the b part of it. It's like, it doesn't
(22:28):
it doesn't have to be grand. And that's the beauty
of reverence. It doesn't require you to be grand. It's
not asking you to be grand, it's asking you to honor. Yeah. Yeah,
And I just think it's it's it's such a touchstone
in my life. You know, when I get too busy,
(22:53):
or I get overwhelmed, or you know, take your version
of the story, you know, whatever stresses you out, and
then just like wait a minute, you know I have
I have these regular conversations and then wait a minute,
I got carried away and I have to remember what
matters to me right right, and what and what do
(23:14):
you honor? You know, like what do you honor? What
isn't what is important to you? Because the thing is
what we all have reverence for is different, right, and
it should be. It's not the same, it's not everyone's
not not required to have the same list or the
same stories. And that's part of the beauty that makes
us all different. And if I'm not mistaken and if
(23:36):
you wouldn't mind sharing. When I talked about my origin
story of understanding the word, what was it that happened
that made you almost fall out of your chair? So
you said you had a house guest, right, Melissa McNamara,
And I'm entertaining a house guests this evening, Michelle McNamara
(24:00):
from aaracter And it's just like, what are you talking about?
I mean, how great? Right? These are those moments like
I love these and I'm thank you for sharing that
because I know this is a friend I actually did.
I I saw permission, I asked. I asked Melissa if
I could talk about her on the show today and
she said yes. Um. And what I love about this
(24:20):
is these are those moments that make me just look
up at the sky and say thank you. See I
think of those moments and I go pop Tart. Well,
I can talk part too, And those that don't know
go read that chapter. But it is really, but it
is it's a very much a pop Tart moment. It's
these moments of like synchronous Yeah, it is. It's like
(24:40):
the universe is there's magic out there, folks, And it's
just an affirmation like it's just the the universe winking
at you like we're all in on the joke, and
it's you know, it's it's magic. The world's magic world.
The world is especially in what I love about this
and what we're talking about. None of what we're talking
(25:01):
about has anything to do with the current events nothing.
It has nothing to do with that. It has nothing
to do with, you know, anything bad happening in the world.
This is a conversation really because when you feel reverence,
and if you haven't felt it that, it feels like magic.
And the in the in the synchronicity that we just
(25:22):
had feels like magic. This is the Remember the world
is magic people all the time, And if we had
recorded yesterday, none of this would have come up right.
It's just it's these little things and it doesn't matter
how educated you are, how healthy you are, how much
money you make. When you live like it doesn't it
is available literally in every moment. And remember it's reverence.
(25:46):
R E V E R July the spelling ben. I
see what you did there that be things? Thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you, and it rhynd I
mean the whole thing works um so I um I
(26:09):
you know I would love if if everybody was was
really up for it. Um, you know, take a look
at the definition or if you know, if it's something
that is you know, part of your life. It's definitely
been brend a part of your life for a long time.
It's been a part of mine for a while. Um,
you know, tell us your stories about reverence, like what
is it that you feel reverence for? And I would
(26:33):
I would love to know and happy to read those
things on a on an episode if if you guys
want to tell us about it. Yeah, so just go
go to the other side guys on Instagram and let
us know what are those things that you feel reverence for?
And if you don't have words, you can tell us
how it helps you feel. Absolutely, thank you? Yes, correct, yeah, correct, Yeah.
(27:00):
If there's a feeling you have and it's a color,
tell us what that color is that you guys know
how you feel? Like what? How what you choose? Right?
You know, I go down the word route because you know,
you got a lot of them and a lot of
them and uh, even I just geminized my moon anyway,
(27:20):
I talk a lot. Even I remember as a young
child in church choir and you know, not even double digits,
but being inquiring and feeling that and not having you know,
and just in that frequency, in that um you know,
they make word that would be atmosphere like that's the
(27:41):
word they would just here in the atmosphere of the divine.
And yeah, such I felt that way when I grew
up in the Piscopal Church and I was an acolyte.
And then when when the old guys asked who's that
little boy carrying the cross? What it was? And that
was clearly my cross. The bear was a boy, Seriously
(28:02):
it was. Yeah, but there was something about the the rhythm,
the the ritual of the ceremony was I I think
I very much felt reverence at that time too. Yeah,
it's really nice. Um And again I have felt it
(28:23):
in a forest, I have felt it in an ocean. Um.
And but but it's a really beautiful thing. And I'm
so glad that we're able to actually share this. After
these years we've been doing this show, we've never actually
talked about reverence. And I couldn't be in more reverence
for talking about reverence. It is. It's a gift that
(28:45):
keeps giving. It just spirals you up the best time.
It says, it does indeed, so thank you my help
for bringing this word forward for us to share and discussion,
discuss and swim around in because it's really lovely. Thank you,
Thank you, my Witchy Pooh. And I have a tremendous
amount of reverence for you, and I always will and
I have in past lives. I feel sure and it
(29:07):
will continue. It will continue through whatever it is that
that happens after this one. There is no doubt our
connection is solid. We must have been witches in the
in the witch Trials, I think so. Thanks for listening, everybody,
and remember her school is hard without reverence and the
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and a special thanks to our producer Joey pat and
our executive producer Maya Cole Howard, who guides us well.
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