January 24, 2024 • 36 mins
The creative process is not linear; the ideas that flow in and through you are unconfined, coming straight from instinct and the Other Side. The question is: What do you do with them when they arrive?
As difficult as it can be, the answer is to trust yourself and the process. Mentors, muses, and of course your Spirit Guides are all here to assist you when you navigate the creative and innovative path. There is a delicate dance between creativity and faith, and it's a dance you can only learn when you willingly step on the dance floor.
Today we discuss the myriad of ways creativity and innovation take form. You'll see how taking the leap of faith is The Fool card in action and learn how to trust it. Because Earth School is hard, but there are no failures... only steps on the path. The revelations you seek are found nestled between risk and reward, lovingly designed just for you by the Other Side.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of iHeartRadio. Hi, y'all, I'm Julie.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hi there, I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the
Other Side.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Now, y'all need to know that we are obsessed with
everything on the other side.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yes, we are, because once you learn to navigate the energetic,
or to some the invisible world, life is going to
be more fun and much more serene.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Uh heck, yes it can, because let's be honest, br in,
earth school is hard.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
In fact, you taught me that let's crush earth school together.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, hello, my witchy pooh, how is your witchy doll
working for you?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
She is rocking it?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
She bossy, busy and bossy.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well she is creative, so why wouldn't I listen to her?
And how is your mug.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
You know what I have to tell you since we
talked last week, it is I keep doing it and
I've even I'm doing it twice a day now. And
it's so interesting because when I asked Omar about it,
I can't believe I'm spending all this time talking about
mug warts. When I ask Omar about it, I'm like,
why this why mug My. Why mug Warts, And he said,
(01:24):
there's a healing vibration to the physical body that is
just undeniable. And it's a massage, right, It's just a
it's a match.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So when what happens is when there's an injury, our
frequency drops and mug Warts comes in and weaves weaves
it to bring it back up to par right, so
it restores it.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
So it's a perfect Yeah, And I got nothing against
Western medicine, but I will say in this particular case,
for what I'm dealing with personally, I'm not recommending anything
medical to anybody. But what I'm dealing with personally is
that this has made such a huge impact because when
I looked up on doctor Google when I first had
(02:05):
this injury, it had said rice, which is rest ice,
compression and elevation, and that is not what I'm doing now.
And the healing is rapid. I think what I did
before it like delayed, if not made it worse, like
the healing process. And now the healing process is like
on fire. It's fantastic. So you know, just sharing what
(02:27):
I would encourage anybody to do is just to explore,
you know, I'm there's I am no expert in any
of this. I'm so much of a follower and a
student in it, and I'm just sharing it because it
is such a miraculous difference from following what I had
in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, and oftentimes I don't know Omar's training, but oftentimes
an acupuncturist and are you beda specialist? Do you know
these are pathways that would come to this medicine.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
He was trained for twenty years in London, Yeah, and
an acupuncture and a lot of different of the Yeah.
And so he's very well trained and knows what he's
He's great.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Anyway, that's great.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, I'm so happy. So if anybody needs some outcome
to Santa Fe and go see Omaro. Yep, he's amazing.
So we wanted to continue our you know, work for
your work, yeah on.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
The last one. So yeah, it's fun. It's fun to
hear from you.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So, my Wichipu, how would you define because you know,
I call it creativity, some people call it innovation. Some
people think like there's a definition I think we need
to have from you to kind of set the stage
force in this dialogue.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Well, first of all, we're dealing with creativity, so I
would never limit creativity. I just want to go on record.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well, I think that's the I think that's the answer,
is like it is limitless, and it's not just like, oh,
I invented a product that you can use with your
other meant blah blah blah blah blah, Like that's that's
a form of it, right, like innovation like the mof
Lady eons ago. So it's more than stuff and things.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, I think what's really important is that as we're
talking about creativity, people often, you know, and I think
maybe because when we were in school, it's like okay,
now we're in music class, now we're in our class,
now we're in math class, that we categorize it. But
it's not limited. A creative expression isn't just artistic expression, right.
(04:34):
It can be and it's inspiring when it is, and
it's really fun when it is, but that's not what
the only domain that we're talking about. And I think
that's really important because you know, innovation can literally be
when you're you know, key to your office becomes a screwdriver,
(04:56):
that can be innovation. You needed a moment and it worked,
like it can be super small.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I've used it for that for the record, but yes.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, right, yeah, and it's so grateful, like it's like,
oh great, I can make this work, right, that's total creativity,
and it can be also very big, like oh, I
have this brand new idea and we should do it
this way. I know this is I haven't thought about
this in like thirty years. But when I worked in
(05:26):
logistics at the Procter and Gamble company, so.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Crazy that you did that, by the way, but you
know every time you say it, it like just baffles me.
But continue, please, I was really good.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I'm sure you were, but it was I came up
with a new way to work with and track and
use half truckloads like that saved the company so much money,
and like people were so excited, and I was like,
how can it be that I've been here like a
minute and figured this out, but everyone else just did
what they did right, So so I look like a
(05:55):
rock star because I didn't have I wasn't grounded in
all the ways that they had been using it for
twenty years.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Over right, right, yes, because so much of I think
institutions being stuck in their ways is why it's so
important to also bring people from the outside in and
things like that. And I think that's because sometimes just
need clarity and look at things differently. Which is what
(06:22):
I promised everybody last week, was to talk about Deadpool
because because well and here's what if. I think nobody's
going to believe it, Well, hope they believe because it's me.
But we didn't know what we had in our hands, right,
That's that's part of what I think any creative business
(06:45):
is you don't always know. Sometimes you think you have
the moon, but it ends up being a little rock.
You know, sometimes you think you have a little rock,
ends up being the moon. This is the case I
think of what we started kind of feeling and understanding
with dead Pools. We didn't know. You know, we handled it.
You know. The campaign was a great marketing campaign. But
(07:06):
even before all that started. You know, I've talked before
about one of my old bosses named Jim, and Jim
was a co chairman at the studio, and I remember
you talking to me because I said, you know, I
just sometimes I have these this is called intuition, makes
people more comfortable. But like and sometimes the messages I
would receive would be a feeling. Sometimes there would be
(07:29):
actual words like you know, we talked last week about
how the I mean, I had specific language from Jacob
about don't don't give them everything, and sometimes it's a
feeling and I'm like, I remember asking you. I'm like,
what am I supposed to do? And and based on
the relationship, You're like, well just tell them. I'm like, okay,
(07:51):
so you gave me permission. I didn't tell them where
I got it from, because that was loo give me
a little freaky sometimes. But so what happened was so
Jim and I had a real and I love when
I call him Gemini because it was like he was
the Gemini sign. And then and people used to call
him Jim G. And so Suzanne would say, how is
(08:15):
Jim G's assistant? And sound like Jim Jesus, I mean, anyway,
a lot of fun with his name. So Jim and
I had a really great relationship. And I'm just going
to fast forward for when he actually left the company
and he had me come down to his office and
he said, Juels, he goes, I got to tell you something.
I go, what's that? And he goes, I'm just so
shocked and surprised on how well you operate in corporate America.
(08:38):
I go, I don't know whether to take that as
an insult or compliment where you had a Jim Jim
Jesus or Jim and I And he said, well, he goes,
you know, the world needs people like you, business needs
people like you, but sometimes doesn't know what to do
with people like you. I said, what are you talking about?
(08:59):
And he said, well, you're an iconoclast and I'm nodding
my head. Ps didn't know what the hell award meant.
Had to look it up afterward on my on uncle
Google to figure out. I'm like, Oh, they like to
break shit, that's what they do. Oh, I get it,
and usually closely held things.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
So what else likes to do that? You ronest my.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Anus likes to do it too, fantastic, So it all fits.
So so I'm going to backpack. That's when he left,
and he really expressed how he felt, and it was
really lovely and I still to this day have such
huge gratitude and respect for him. And but when we
were we just had a meeting where I went over
(09:45):
the media plan, so where we wanted to invest the
company's money to reach, you know, the potential audiences to
go see Deadpool and Jim wanted to have lunch that day.
So after the meeting, he and I were walking over
to the commissary and we were talking about it, and
he's like, you know, Joel's, I need you to cut
that budget down. I go, what do you mean? He goes,
(10:08):
you know, we're just going to get the fanboys to
go to this movie. And I said, well, interesting, I said,
I felt that way about a month before I wrote
that plan that you just saw. And I said, then
it started feeling so much bigger, I said, because this
is so different. You know, there's Ryan, there's breaking the
(10:29):
fourth wall. There's a level of humor to it that
actually has no bearing on the super you know, like
the Marvel Universe kind of thing. And I looked at
him and I said, I think you're just going to
have to trust me. And he looked at me and
he goes, so I was going to ask you cut
twenty million from it, but now you're asking me to
I said, yeah, I think you need to trust me. Now.
(10:50):
I just also want to make really clear I'm going
to need twenty million more, right, No, I mean, he
we actually spent quite a bit of money because there
was we really like everybody started to kind of feel
this potential, and I felt this like huge potential. But
keep in mind, this was after I had gone to
Jim about about the book Thief, when I wanted to
run two blank pages in the New York Times. And
(11:13):
that's when I looked at him and I said, I'll
pay for it. I'll pay for the ad because you'll
pay for spread in the New York Times. Said yeah,
if you say no, I'll pay for it. That this
is happening God, So yeah, I really would like to
do it. I'll even pay for it. I want to
do it so bad and that so, and he was like, Okay,
we'll pay for it. Let's see what happens. He's so skeptical.
(11:36):
And then once it happened, that's when doctor Jill Biden
like went up to him and said, I loved your movie,
but I loved how you launched your campaign even more.
And he had, I mean, he had like accolades all
over the place for it, and so he already had
a trust in I think the in my instincts of things. Again,
(11:58):
we're gonna came instincts, but I I swear to you
their messages because the book happened from a message coming
down right Deadpool was a message that was coming. It's
like no limits was what I heard. And I told him,
I said, I don't think we should limit this whatsoever.
So fast forward. I think the movie made nine hundred
million dollars and it was people who actually were not
(12:21):
just Marvel fans. It really reached people outside of that.
They love the humor and everybody. How do you not
fall in love with Ryan? But the creativity part? But
the part that I listened to you. And this is
the thing, guys, I don't care how successful anybody's idea,
how they are as a whole in their work. If
you don't listen, you will not be successful. It's just
(12:44):
I think that's just the truth. I'm sure there's exceptions,
but I don't know of any of this moment. But
I listened to you first that who I trust, right,
We established the whole trust part in the last episode.
I trusted you and you said you have to listen.
You have to listen because you have a clear cognizance,
(13:06):
a clear knowledge that you're going to be delivered things
and you need to trust what you're being delivered. Just
trust it and go with it. It's so hard because
you feel like you're crazy and like the money, the
company's money that it felt like I was putting at risk.
It's very real and it's happened many times, and it's
(13:29):
like going down these paths and it can be scary,
but there's a trust and so you said, you have
to trust it. So that's my Deadpole story. It's you know,
and a little bit of a little bit of the
book Thief, but it was trusting and that is innovation.
There is a creativity to it. There's a business strategy
(13:50):
can come from that as well. So the book Thief
was really about a creative execution, right, because the whole
idea was a world without words, you know, and how
do you convince how do you tell somebody? Communicate to
somebody when something's important as you take it away. It's
like when you take your like if you're punishing your
(14:11):
kid and you take their phone away, they realize how
important their phone is because they don't have it kind
of thing. And so that's what we did. We got
to that sole level of what this that movie was
and with Deadpool was actually just trusting that there was
going to be so much love for this and and
it works.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And again both of them weren't because you trust.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
It, because I trust it.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And the whole thing about creativity is you're creating or
acting up on something that doesn't exist. Right, So the
dance between creativity and faith, creativity and trust creativity and
this is the full card in to row. I'm willing
to leap and know that either the ground will rise
(14:55):
up to meet me or I will be taught to fly, right, Like,
that's what that's it's it feels very uncomfortable, not different,
it is different than conflict, but it's still feeling very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
It's feeling very vulnerable, right, So.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, sorry, still being brave enough to go. I know
what I know. I may not know how I always know,
but I know and that has to be enough.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So you said something that I want to leave people
with before we go on this break that we need
to take because it's long. Sorry, Joey is Joe's our producer.
Is the word fly. So keep that word in mind
when we go through another thing that you coach me
through and what to do. Remember the word fly. Operative
(15:46):
word today is fly. Take the note. We'll be right.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Back and welcome back.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Thanks every time, so I believe the operative word was fly.
They just wanted ready to keep that in mind because
it was really interesting and everybody should know by now.
I remember everything, Brenda says.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I apologize.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
It's a really freaky thing. It's all wonderful. But one
of the challenges that I was facing when you were
coaching me was we were doing the marketing and distribution
for dream Works animation for those films, and DreamWorks was
led before he sold it to Universal by Jeffrey Katzenberg,
(16:37):
who is an incredibly brilliant man. He is considered a,
you know, only second to Walt Disney for his creativity
in his business acumen and so much respect. And the
thing is, you know, sometimes leaders can be hard, and
they can be hard because they have really high expectations.
(16:59):
And Jeffy with somebody who I'm sure still does have
really high expectations, And even though it's difficult, this is
still a love letter to him, because I think the
ones like Ed Tom Rothman that I worked for at
a really high expectation. So those higher expectations you rise,
right So you're the ground rising, I think in some cases,
(17:20):
and it is real. And I remember we were doing
the we were and I talked to you, like, I
think our call was. I think it was the same
day as the meeting we had with Jeffrey, and I
think I had an hour in between our call. In
the meeting with Jeffrey, it was on a Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I remember that. I don't remember the Tuesday part, but Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And I'm like, Brin, I'm really freaked out. And You're like,
why are you so freaked out? And I said, you know,
Jeffrey has a really high standard and the last meeting
we had with marketing, you know, we all let him
down because so many of the ideas were just recycled
from other movies, other things other people had done, and
he was looking for something original. And you said, my elf,
(18:05):
when we hang up, you're going to sit at your desk.
You're not going to move from where you're sitting right now,
and you are going to close your eyes and you
are going to surrender. I'm like, okay, So I surrendered,
and within minutes a creative idea like a lightning bolt
(18:26):
was given to me. And this is another thing. I
want to be really clear. Now, you don't have to
do it publicly and tell everybody where you got your
idea from But I know when something is mine and
something isn't mine, I know what I kind of doce
and figure something out, like an algebra equation that's mine.
When you're sitting there in this like kind of boom happens,
(18:49):
it's like immediate is first I write it down. Then
it's you know, massive gratitude to the other side. So
this idea came and I'm like, oh my god, this
could be great. Now I'm going to tell everybody it
never happened in the real world, not what this is about.
Because sometimes you can only have the idea. So I
(19:12):
guess about fifteen twenty minutes we got off the call,
I start rallying people because and at that time, I
mean I said, we have a new idea, Like we
were all trying to figure out, like what do we do?
What do we do? What we do? Not only is
this a beloved franchise, it's the second one, right, and
so you got to do something new. Pressure is on,
(19:33):
pressure is on, yeah, And so I'm rallying people. I'm taught,
I mean, like I'm doing warp speed at trying to collaborate, right,
because I also don't want to be the one that
shows up into says some them like they're talking out
of their ass, because that's never good either. So I
get prepared to get everything ready. So we have the meeting.
(19:53):
And this is also, by the way, when I was
teaching at USC so I had to call you on
my drive there to tell you about it. So we're
in this meeting, and you know, the whole dream Worse
Animation team was, I don't know, I don't think. I
think they had very low expectations because of what we
had delivered prior to this. And so my boss had said,
(20:14):
you know what, Julie has an idea, you're up.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
So no pressure though, no pressure.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
So I got up and presented this idea, and the
whole idea, I won't do the whole thing because we
don't have enough time for me to do the whole thing.
But not but the whole genesis of the idea was
if those who have watched How to Train Your Dragon,
which I love, by the way, too, listed dragon, I'm like,
(20:45):
we should we should talk to an airline or multiple
airlines and come up with see if we could wrap
planes and call it Dragon Air and and so people
when they go on to their airplane it's like and
I even have ads inside an airport about dragon air
like it's a real thing, and they're like, you know,
the wrap like toothlist the dragon, which everybody loved. And
(21:07):
the reason everybody loved toothless Dragon, by the way, is
because they modeled him after a dog. His behavior. That's
why we all love him, because Toothles would roll around
and snuggle and like a dog is phenomenally brilliant, belly up,
belly up, the whole thing. And the response from the
team was like, oh my god, this is amazing. Here's
(21:28):
the thing. It didn't happen. We didn't have enough time,
but it wasn't the point. The point sometimes with creativity
is just to be able to work as a team,
figure out if you can or can't do it, and
make sure those that you're speaking to actually have trust
and faith. Because the value in what that day, with
that two hours from talking to you, doing what you
(21:49):
told me to do, listening, writing it down, getting it
is that there was a team that felt more connected
and then there was the ones on the other side
of the table that actually built trust, and that was
worth more than the idea coming together.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I love that, and you know, to me, the universal
axiom that's true is that no energy is lost, no
is ever, it's never wasted.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So you had an idea that didn't get actualized and
it's still paid off.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yes it did.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And you have no idea literally where that idea planted
other seeds that did get executed. So I think that's
a really important thing for people to embrace around creativity
that says, okay, so you had to do seventeen versions
of something until you got to the eighteenth that is
the one you needed. But every one of those eighteen
(22:49):
tries created, added and added and added. They weren't failures.
That was the path that took you to the eighteenth
thing that you wanted, right, and how to embrace that
sort of thing in a culture that doesn't usually honor.
The path was want the end result, right, which is
(23:09):
how you get well.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
And what it led to was, uh, there's there's a camaraderie, right,
So because you had taught me before, even if it's yours,
don't go act like it's all yours like, because you
can't do anything without a team, right. So there was
the team part of it that was really critical. And
and and then there was a we relied on what
(23:32):
another versus I think so often in so many workplaces
and spaces that there's the individual contribution tends to matter
more than the team contribution. And in this case we
moved from where we once were an individual at least
a departmental level contribution to a whole team contribution, and
that again was worth more than gold.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
That's so great.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It was worth it. Yeah, thank you, but it was.
It's it's you know, all of them are less right.
And there's also for me personally, there was there was
a confidence of of what I what I get right.
This is where that that psychic part of who we
are to trust that. You know, I have a friend
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who she's going through her kind of spiritual journey and
she has been in that place of not trusting what
comes through to her, and so she tests a lot
of things on me, and by the way, she's really
getting good. And this is this is mal of course,
and I mean really getting good. And so trusting is
such an important thing. And that's what you said to me.
(24:39):
You have to trust it, you just have to trust.
I trusted it with the book Thief. I trusted it
with Deadpool. I trusted it with even though those two
things happened. I trusted it with you know, how to
train your dragon, and it was just trust, just trust,
not distrust, just trust, and and again trust the process
(25:01):
as well, because I think you had said, you know,
last week about even if you feel blocked, sometimes you
go sideways.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Right, It's exactly right, it's exactly right. And we'll talk
about that when we come back from this quick break.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Quick quick, Okay, we are back, and I think we
need to listen to our wichipoo because I might have
the stories and the fun and the name title dropping
and shit, but none of it could happen without you know,
(25:36):
the wisdom and insight and you know your your your
gifts to help. It's you know, really unwrap mine.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Oh you're so sweet, thank you for that. You know.
I love being the guide on the side. Right, that's
that's my play, that's my creativity to dance, so to speak.
But I just I want to remind people from last
week's episode how you know, frustrated you were because you
were confined to swim in a lane instead of playing
(26:10):
the whole pool, and without your abundance of creativity and
your actual self knowledge an awareness that I'm a creative person,
you would not have sought out things that were literally
outside your lane.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Right, like data strategy.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I mean, like like this thing that you're like, well,
this is interesting because you you had maxed out where
you were and you know, because you couldn't play any
further or an expanded way that you were used to.
So you're like, well, what's going on over there? And
what if we did this? And what if we turned
it sideways? You know, that's kind of what you did
creating this whole new thing. You know, like I said before,
(26:54):
like your creativity spilled out sideways in a very different way.
It was like when I worked at Procter and Game
and they could only go as I was in a
system where they could only go so fast. It wasn't
even that I was contained, as like the whole P
and system couldn't go as fast as my ideas came in.
So I started studying at Chesterfield, you know, and so
(27:16):
you know, all these things that can feel like limitations
and constraints can really serve us if we're listening, if
we're paying attention and dropping in on a regular basis,
and if we bothered.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
To spend more time understanding who we are. Yeah, truly, Brenda,
because that is like number one. Like I said, I
think again it was last week. Sorry to keep referring
to last week. I'll but we listened. But I but
like I went through the individualism part of it first.
(27:54):
You know, I went through you taught me trow you know,
I learned medium hip. I took also all the practical
tests everybody else takes, like you know, the Colby or
the idiogram or you know, even did the disc test.
I did everything to understand more about who I was.
(28:16):
And when I understood, I knew what to run toward,
not away from, but toward.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, I whole leverage and accommodate any you know blind
spots that you have lots of those, Well then that's
where the team concept comes it does, right, nobody has
it all right, So yeah, super important, super important.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
And so then when I was being blocked, I still
knew where to run. And I might have been running
sideways like a crab, but but I was still running.
And that's the thing. Like for people like me, I
can't just stop and tracks like I still have to
have progress to keep doing more things in my brain.
(28:57):
And again we're all different, right, but I know me now,
and so I found So I took this right hand
turn down a path. By the way, not only nobody
at Fox had gone down, but nobody in the industry
had gone down.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Well, that's your sweet spot.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Totally my sweet spot. And because part of what I
learned about myself is that I'm also very earnest. You know,
I wake up every morning wanting to do the right thing.
You know, I've had people try to say, oh, but
you know your creative, you're authentic, You're all these things,
lovely things. But really, in the core of who I
am is I am very authentic because I want to
do the right thing, and because I want to do
(29:34):
the right thing for the company, for my management, for
the films, the filmmakers, for all of that. At that time,
that was my when I obviously at Fox, is that
I went sideways because that was another way I could
express the creativity writing on the back of being earnest.
(29:54):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, And I would also say, there was no one
there to to check you. There's no one there to
go oh no, no, that's not Elaine. They didn't even know
what the hell you were doing. Like they couldn't even
drop their brains around it, right, So when even when
you told them about it, they just kind of tilted
their head like, I wonder why she's doing that, but whatever,
you know, right, And so that's the beauty of it.
(30:17):
That's the beauty of it.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
And here's the thing. It was dropped down by the
other side. To me, I just flat out it was
dropped down. And that's the beauty of listening. I mean
totally yes.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Having that meditation practice and having they have so many
experiences and informations that your guidance is real. Pay attention,
pay attention, don't we say? Haven't we said that a lot?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Like pay attention? Because my life was very different before
I paid attention. I started paying attention. It's like everything
was technicolor. It was. It's phenomenal when you start doing that.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
And things just get dialed in in the sweetest way.
And if something doesn't turn out the way you thought,
you're like, it's okay, it's not done. That's right, it's
still going to un There's more, there's more to be
revealed here. I just have to be patient. Right. Yes,
it's totally different energy, totally different vibe.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
There we have it creativity. Innovation comes in a lot
of different shapes and sizes, which was I think the
reason we wanted to do this. It is not just
again one thing, especially come from marketing. It's not like
a marketing idea that's going to come to life. Sometimes
you're going to have ideas and they're not going to
be in the physical world. But it does so much
more like people like I've had all these ideas but
(31:35):
we haven't done it, and it's like.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, but keep going, keep going because you can.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
You know, whether it is figuring out what to do
with trucks that were half loaded, or figuring out to
do with data, or figuring out to do you know,
it's all in the same vibration.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
And also just remember like we wanted to do this
little mini series at the beginning of the year when
you're figuring out how can I really bring my best right?
That's why we do New Year's resolutions or just review.
It's not even you know, we're not even asking you
to do resolutions, but to review, like where do I
(32:11):
get stuck? What's my ownership of that? And if I
am feeling stuck in some other ways? And I understand
it's a systemic thing. It's bigger than me. Where can
I find my lane to play right? Where can I
cultivate my own creativity? Because each of us, as human beings,
we are creative.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
And the other thing brand. Nobody needs me to actually
guide them on what your resolution new year's resolution should be,
because I'm the dipshit that had one one year that
was I wanted to be sarcastic and make people believe
it was true. That was my resolution, and I nailed it.
By the way, it was fantastic. Understand I don't know,
(32:54):
but I would tell them afterwards. I was giving them shit.
But my whole thing was like, it is a believability thing.
So you don't nobody wants me to teach them a resolution?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Just FYI good to know.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, No, we will never have a resolution episode with
me on It might be one that you might do
on your own.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Well, hopefully we've just given you some ground you like
a latching pad for your twenty twenty four in a
way that it gives you some things to reflect upon.
See where you can activate these solutions, these openings. How
you get to be the solution and you get to
cultivate your own creativity and doing it with faith, dropping
in listening and listening deeply to your body cues, to
(33:33):
your emotional cues, to your messages from your guide, all
of it, because it's all available to you. And so
that's what we really wanted to create for you with
this always a couple episodes, So with that.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
And I hope it helped you all because I'm telling
you it was life changing. And again I just I
know you want to close this episode because we've so
gone over. Sorry Joey again, but don't forget Brenda. What
she said, not don't get Brenda. Don't forget what Brenda
said is you bring you everywhere you go, and and
(34:07):
that is that was so powerful. And I didn't want
to be somebody different. I don't want to, you know
because people are like, oh, well I'm different when I'm
not at work. I'm like, I'm sorry. So just remember
you bring you, take yourself wherever you go. So anyway,
now you can close the episode, Brenda, I wonder tomind
everybody make it chut the hell up?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Thank you, milf, so thanks for listening, everybody. I remember
her schools hard without your WICHI pooh, thank y'all. And
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Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of iHeartRadio. Hi, y'all, I'm Julie.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hi there, I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the
Other Side.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Now, y'all need to know that we are obsessed with
everything on the other side.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yes, we are, because once you learn to navigate the energetic,
or to some the invisible world, life is going to
be more fun and much more serene.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Uh heck, yes it can, because let's be honest, br in,
earth school is hard.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
In fact, you taught me that let's crush earth school together.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, hello, my witchy pooh, how is your witchy doll
working for you?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
She is rocking it?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
She bossy, busy and bossy.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well she is creative, so why wouldn't I listen to her?
And how is your mug.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
You know what I have to tell you since we
talked last week, it is I keep doing it and
I've even I'm doing it twice a day now. And
it's so interesting because when I asked Omar about it,
I can't believe I'm spending all this time talking about
mug warts. When I ask Omar about it, I'm like,
why this why mug My. Why mug Warts, And he said,
(01:24):
there's a healing vibration to the physical body that is
just undeniable. And it's a massage, right, It's just a
it's a match.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So when what happens is when there's an injury, our
frequency drops and mug Warts comes in and weaves weaves
it to bring it back up to par right, so
it restores it.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
So it's a perfect Yeah, And I got nothing against
Western medicine, but I will say in this particular case,
for what I'm dealing with personally, I'm not recommending anything
medical to anybody. But what I'm dealing with personally is
that this has made such a huge impact because when
I looked up on doctor Google when I first had
(02:05):
this injury, it had said rice, which is rest ice,
compression and elevation, and that is not what I'm doing now.
And the healing is rapid. I think what I did
before it like delayed, if not made it worse, like
the healing process. And now the healing process is like
on fire. It's fantastic. So you know, just sharing what
(02:27):
I would encourage anybody to do is just to explore,
you know, I'm there's I am no expert in any
of this. I'm so much of a follower and a
student in it, and I'm just sharing it because it
is such a miraculous difference from following what I had
in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, and oftentimes I don't know Omar's training, but oftentimes
an acupuncturist and are you beda specialist? Do you know
these are pathways that would come to this medicine.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
He was trained for twenty years in London, Yeah, and
an acupuncture and a lot of different of the Yeah.
And so he's very well trained and knows what he's
He's great.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Anyway, that's great.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, I'm so happy. So if anybody needs some outcome
to Santa Fe and go see Omaro. Yep, he's amazing.
So we wanted to continue our you know, work for
your work, yeah on.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
The last one. So yeah, it's fun. It's fun to
hear from you.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So, my Wichipu, how would you define because you know,
I call it creativity, some people call it innovation. Some
people think like there's a definition I think we need
to have from you to kind of set the stage
force in this dialogue.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Well, first of all, we're dealing with creativity, so I
would never limit creativity. I just want to go on record.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well, I think that's the I think that's the answer,
is like it is limitless, and it's not just like, oh,
I invented a product that you can use with your
other meant blah blah blah blah blah, Like that's that's
a form of it, right, like innovation like the mof
Lady eons ago. So it's more than stuff and things.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, I think what's really important is that as we're
talking about creativity, people often, you know, and I think
maybe because when we were in school, it's like okay,
now we're in music class, now we're in our class,
now we're in math class, that we categorize it. But
it's not limited. A creative expression isn't just artistic expression, right.
(04:34):
It can be and it's inspiring when it is, and
it's really fun when it is, but that's not what
the only domain that we're talking about. And I think
that's really important because you know, innovation can literally be
when you're you know, key to your office becomes a screwdriver,
(04:56):
that can be innovation. You needed a moment and it worked,
like it can be super small.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I've used it for that for the record, but yes.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, right, yeah, and it's so grateful, like it's like,
oh great, I can make this work, right, that's total creativity,
and it can be also very big, like oh, I
have this brand new idea and we should do it
this way. I know this is I haven't thought about
this in like thirty years. But when I worked in
(05:26):
logistics at the Procter and Gamble company, so.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Crazy that you did that, by the way, but you
know every time you say it, it like just baffles me.
But continue, please, I was really good.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I'm sure you were, but it was I came up
with a new way to work with and track and
use half truckloads like that saved the company so much money,
and like people were so excited, and I was like,
how can it be that I've been here like a
minute and figured this out, but everyone else just did
what they did right, So so I look like a
(05:55):
rock star because I didn't have I wasn't grounded in
all the ways that they had been using it for
twenty years.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Over right, right, yes, because so much of I think
institutions being stuck in their ways is why it's so
important to also bring people from the outside in and
things like that. And I think that's because sometimes just
need clarity and look at things differently. Which is what
(06:22):
I promised everybody last week, was to talk about Deadpool
because because well and here's what if. I think nobody's
going to believe it, Well, hope they believe because it's me.
But we didn't know what we had in our hands, right,
That's that's part of what I think any creative business
(06:45):
is you don't always know. Sometimes you think you have
the moon, but it ends up being a little rock.
You know, sometimes you think you have a little rock,
ends up being the moon. This is the case I
think of what we started kind of feeling and understanding
with dead Pools. We didn't know. You know, we handled it.
You know. The campaign was a great marketing campaign. But
(07:06):
even before all that started. You know, I've talked before
about one of my old bosses named Jim, and Jim
was a co chairman at the studio, and I remember
you talking to me because I said, you know, I
just sometimes I have these this is called intuition, makes
people more comfortable. But like and sometimes the messages I
would receive would be a feeling. Sometimes there would be
(07:29):
actual words like you know, we talked last week about
how the I mean, I had specific language from Jacob
about don't don't give them everything, and sometimes it's a
feeling and I'm like, I remember asking you. I'm like,
what am I supposed to do? And and based on
the relationship, You're like, well just tell them. I'm like, okay,
(07:51):
so you gave me permission. I didn't tell them where
I got it from, because that was loo give me
a little freaky sometimes. But so what happened was so
Jim and I had a real and I love when
I call him Gemini because it was like he was
the Gemini sign. And then and people used to call
him Jim G. And so Suzanne would say, how is
(08:15):
Jim G's assistant? And sound like Jim Jesus, I mean, anyway,
a lot of fun with his name. So Jim and
I had a really great relationship. And I'm just going
to fast forward for when he actually left the company
and he had me come down to his office and
he said, Juels, he goes, I got to tell you something.
I go, what's that? And he goes, I'm just so
shocked and surprised on how well you operate in corporate America.
(08:38):
I go, I don't know whether to take that as
an insult or compliment where you had a Jim Jim
Jesus or Jim and I And he said, well, he goes,
you know, the world needs people like you, business needs
people like you, but sometimes doesn't know what to do
with people like you. I said, what are you talking about?
(08:59):
And he said, well, you're an iconoclast and I'm nodding
my head. Ps didn't know what the hell award meant.
Had to look it up afterward on my on uncle
Google to figure out. I'm like, Oh, they like to
break shit, that's what they do. Oh, I get it,
and usually closely held things.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
So what else likes to do that? You ronest my.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Anus likes to do it too, fantastic, So it all fits.
So so I'm going to backpack. That's when he left,
and he really expressed how he felt, and it was
really lovely and I still to this day have such
huge gratitude and respect for him. And but when we
were we just had a meeting where I went over
(09:45):
the media plan, so where we wanted to invest the
company's money to reach, you know, the potential audiences to
go see Deadpool and Jim wanted to have lunch that day.
So after the meeting, he and I were walking over
to the commissary and we were talking about it, and
he's like, you know, Joel's, I need you to cut
that budget down. I go, what do you mean? He goes,
(10:08):
you know, we're just going to get the fanboys to
go to this movie. And I said, well, interesting, I said,
I felt that way about a month before I wrote
that plan that you just saw. And I said, then
it started feeling so much bigger, I said, because this
is so different. You know, there's Ryan, there's breaking the
(10:29):
fourth wall. There's a level of humor to it that
actually has no bearing on the super you know, like
the Marvel Universe kind of thing. And I looked at
him and I said, I think you're just going to
have to trust me. And he looked at me and
he goes, so I was going to ask you cut
twenty million from it, but now you're asking me to
I said, yeah, I think you need to trust me. Now.
(10:50):
I just also want to make really clear I'm going
to need twenty million more, right, No, I mean, he
we actually spent quite a bit of money because there
was we really like everybody started to kind of feel
this potential, and I felt this like huge potential. But
keep in mind, this was after I had gone to
Jim about about the book Thief, when I wanted to
run two blank pages in the New York Times. And
(11:13):
that's when I looked at him and I said, I'll
pay for it. I'll pay for the ad because you'll
pay for spread in the New York Times. Said yeah,
if you say no, I'll pay for it. That this
is happening God, So yeah, I really would like to
do it. I'll even pay for it. I want to
do it so bad and that so, and he was like, Okay,
we'll pay for it. Let's see what happens. He's so skeptical.
(11:36):
And then once it happened, that's when doctor Jill Biden
like went up to him and said, I loved your movie,
but I loved how you launched your campaign even more.
And he had, I mean, he had like accolades all
over the place for it, and so he already had
a trust in I think the in my instincts of things. Again,
(11:58):
we're gonna came instincts, but I I swear to you
their messages because the book happened from a message coming
down right Deadpool was a message that was coming. It's
like no limits was what I heard. And I told him,
I said, I don't think we should limit this whatsoever.
So fast forward. I think the movie made nine hundred
million dollars and it was people who actually were not
(12:21):
just Marvel fans. It really reached people outside of that.
They love the humor and everybody. How do you not
fall in love with Ryan? But the creativity part? But
the part that I listened to you. And this is
the thing, guys, I don't care how successful anybody's idea,
how they are as a whole in their work. If
you don't listen, you will not be successful. It's just
(12:44):
I think that's just the truth. I'm sure there's exceptions,
but I don't know of any of this moment. But
I listened to you first that who I trust, right,
We established the whole trust part in the last episode.
I trusted you and you said you have to listen.
You have to listen because you have a clear cognizance,
(13:06):
a clear knowledge that you're going to be delivered things
and you need to trust what you're being delivered. Just
trust it and go with it. It's so hard because
you feel like you're crazy and like the money, the
company's money that it felt like I was putting at risk.
It's very real and it's happened many times, and it's
(13:29):
like going down these paths and it can be scary,
but there's a trust and so you said, you have
to trust it. So that's my Deadpole story. It's you know,
and a little bit of a little bit of the
book Thief, but it was trusting and that is innovation.
There is a creativity to it. There's a business strategy
(13:50):
can come from that as well. So the book Thief
was really about a creative execution, right, because the whole
idea was a world without words, you know, and how
do you convince how do you tell somebody? Communicate to
somebody when something's important as you take it away. It's
like when you take your like if you're punishing your
(14:11):
kid and you take their phone away, they realize how
important their phone is because they don't have it kind
of thing. And so that's what we did. We got
to that sole level of what this that movie was
and with Deadpool was actually just trusting that there was
going to be so much love for this and and
it works.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And again both of them weren't because you trust.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
It, because I trust it.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And the whole thing about creativity is you're creating or
acting up on something that doesn't exist. Right, So the
dance between creativity and faith, creativity and trust creativity and
this is the full card in to row. I'm willing
to leap and know that either the ground will rise
(14:55):
up to meet me or I will be taught to fly, right, Like,
that's what that's it's it feels very uncomfortable, not different,
it is different than conflict, but it's still feeling very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
It's feeling very vulnerable, right, So.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, sorry, still being brave enough to go. I know
what I know. I may not know how I always know,
but I know and that has to be enough.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So you said something that I want to leave people
with before we go on this break that we need
to take because it's long. Sorry, Joey is Joe's our producer.
Is the word fly. So keep that word in mind
when we go through another thing that you coach me
through and what to do. Remember the word fly. Operative
(15:46):
word today is fly. Take the note. We'll be right.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Back and welcome back.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Thanks every time, so I believe the operative word was fly.
They just wanted ready to keep that in mind because
it was really interesting and everybody should know by now.
I remember everything, Brenda says.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I apologize.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
It's a really freaky thing. It's all wonderful. But one
of the challenges that I was facing when you were
coaching me was we were doing the marketing and distribution
for dream Works animation for those films, and DreamWorks was
led before he sold it to Universal by Jeffrey Katzenberg,
(16:37):
who is an incredibly brilliant man. He is considered a,
you know, only second to Walt Disney for his creativity
in his business acumen and so much respect. And the
thing is, you know, sometimes leaders can be hard, and
they can be hard because they have really high expectations.
(16:59):
And Jeffy with somebody who I'm sure still does have
really high expectations, And even though it's difficult, this is
still a love letter to him, because I think the
ones like Ed Tom Rothman that I worked for at
a really high expectation. So those higher expectations you rise,
right So you're the ground rising, I think in some cases,
(17:20):
and it is real. And I remember we were doing
the we were and I talked to you, like, I
think our call was. I think it was the same
day as the meeting we had with Jeffrey, and I
think I had an hour in between our call. In
the meeting with Jeffrey, it was on a Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I remember that. I don't remember the Tuesday part, but Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And I'm like, Brin, I'm really freaked out. And You're like,
why are you so freaked out? And I said, you know,
Jeffrey has a really high standard and the last meeting
we had with marketing, you know, we all let him
down because so many of the ideas were just recycled
from other movies, other things other people had done, and
he was looking for something original. And you said, my elf,
(18:05):
when we hang up, you're going to sit at your desk.
You're not going to move from where you're sitting right now,
and you are going to close your eyes and you
are going to surrender. I'm like, okay, So I surrendered,
and within minutes a creative idea like a lightning bolt
(18:26):
was given to me. And this is another thing. I
want to be really clear. Now, you don't have to
do it publicly and tell everybody where you got your
idea from But I know when something is mine and
something isn't mine, I know what I kind of doce
and figure something out, like an algebra equation that's mine.
When you're sitting there in this like kind of boom happens,
(18:49):
it's like immediate is first I write it down. Then
it's you know, massive gratitude to the other side. So
this idea came and I'm like, oh my god, this
could be great. Now I'm going to tell everybody it
never happened in the real world, not what this is about.
Because sometimes you can only have the idea. So I
(19:12):
guess about fifteen twenty minutes we got off the call,
I start rallying people because and at that time, I
mean I said, we have a new idea, Like we
were all trying to figure out, like what do we do?
What do we do? What we do? Not only is
this a beloved franchise, it's the second one, right, and
so you got to do something new. Pressure is on,
(19:33):
pressure is on, yeah, And so I'm rallying people. I'm taught,
I mean, like I'm doing warp speed at trying to collaborate, right,
because I also don't want to be the one that
shows up into says some them like they're talking out
of their ass, because that's never good either. So I
get prepared to get everything ready. So we have the meeting.
(19:53):
And this is also, by the way, when I was
teaching at USC so I had to call you on
my drive there to tell you about it. So we're
in this meeting, and you know, the whole dream Worse
Animation team was, I don't know, I don't think. I
think they had very low expectations because of what we
had delivered prior to this. And so my boss had said,
(20:14):
you know what, Julie has an idea, you're up.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
So no pressure though, no pressure.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
So I got up and presented this idea, and the
whole idea, I won't do the whole thing because we
don't have enough time for me to do the whole thing.
But not but the whole genesis of the idea was
if those who have watched How to Train Your Dragon,
which I love, by the way, too, listed dragon, I'm like,
(20:45):
we should we should talk to an airline or multiple
airlines and come up with see if we could wrap
planes and call it Dragon Air and and so people
when they go on to their airplane it's like and
I even have ads inside an airport about dragon air
like it's a real thing, and they're like, you know,
the wrap like toothlist the dragon, which everybody loved. And
(21:07):
the reason everybody loved toothless Dragon, by the way, is
because they modeled him after a dog. His behavior. That's
why we all love him, because Toothles would roll around
and snuggle and like a dog is phenomenally brilliant, belly up,
belly up, the whole thing. And the response from the
team was like, oh my god, this is amazing. Here's
(21:28):
the thing. It didn't happen. We didn't have enough time,
but it wasn't the point. The point sometimes with creativity
is just to be able to work as a team,
figure out if you can or can't do it, and
make sure those that you're speaking to actually have trust
and faith. Because the value in what that day, with
that two hours from talking to you, doing what you
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told me to do, listening, writing it down, getting it
is that there was a team that felt more connected
and then there was the ones on the other side
of the table that actually built trust, and that was
worth more than the idea coming together.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I love that, and you know, to me, the universal
axiom that's true is that no energy is lost, no
is ever, it's never wasted.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So you had an idea that didn't get actualized and
it's still paid off.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yes it did.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And you have no idea literally where that idea planted
other seeds that did get executed. So I think that's
a really important thing for people to embrace around creativity
that says, okay, so you had to do seventeen versions
of something until you got to the eighteenth that is
the one you needed. But every one of those eighteen
(22:49):
tries created, added and added and added. They weren't failures.
That was the path that took you to the eighteenth
thing that you wanted, right, and how to embrace that
sort of thing in a culture that doesn't usually honor.
The path was want the end result, right, which is
(23:09):
how you get well.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
And what it led to was, uh, there's there's a camaraderie, right,
So because you had taught me before, even if it's yours,
don't go act like it's all yours like, because you
can't do anything without a team, right. So there was
the team part of it that was really critical. And
and and then there was a we relied on what
(23:32):
another versus I think so often in so many workplaces
and spaces that there's the individual contribution tends to matter
more than the team contribution. And in this case we
moved from where we once were an individual at least
a departmental level contribution to a whole team contribution, and
that again was worth more than gold.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
That's so great.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It was worth it. Yeah, thank you, but it was.
It's it's you know, all of them are less right.
And there's also for me personally, there was there was
a confidence of of what I what I get right.
This is where that that psychic part of who we
are to trust that. You know, I have a friend
(24:17):
who she's going through her kind of spiritual journey and
she has been in that place of not trusting what
comes through to her, and so she tests a lot
of things on me, and by the way, she's really
getting good. And this is this is mal of course,
and I mean really getting good. And so trusting is
such an important thing. And that's what you said to me.
(24:39):
You have to trust it, you just have to trust.
I trusted it with the book Thief. I trusted it
with Deadpool. I trusted it with even though those two
things happened. I trusted it with you know, how to
train your dragon, and it was just trust, just trust,
not distrust, just trust, and and again trust the process
(25:01):
as well, because I think you had said, you know,
last week about even if you feel blocked, sometimes you
go sideways.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Right, It's exactly right, it's exactly right. And we'll talk
about that when we come back from this quick break.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Quick quick, Okay, we are back, and I think we
need to listen to our wichipoo because I might have
the stories and the fun and the name title dropping
and shit, but none of it could happen without you know,
(25:36):
the wisdom and insight and you know your your your
gifts to help. It's you know, really unwrap mine.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Oh you're so sweet, thank you for that. You know.
I love being the guide on the side. Right, that's
that's my play, that's my creativity to dance, so to speak.
But I just I want to remind people from last
week's episode how you know, frustrated you were because you
were confined to swim in a lane instead of playing
(26:10):
the whole pool, and without your abundance of creativity and
your actual self knowledge an awareness that I'm a creative person,
you would not have sought out things that were literally
outside your lane.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Right, like data strategy.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I mean, like like this thing that you're like, well,
this is interesting because you you had maxed out where
you were and you know, because you couldn't play any
further or an expanded way that you were used to.
So you're like, well, what's going on over there? And
what if we did this? And what if we turned
it sideways? You know, that's kind of what you did
creating this whole new thing. You know, like I said before,
(26:54):
like your creativity spilled out sideways in a very different way.
It was like when I worked at Procter and Game
and they could only go as I was in a
system where they could only go so fast. It wasn't
even that I was contained, as like the whole P
and system couldn't go as fast as my ideas came in.
So I started studying at Chesterfield, you know, and so
(27:16):
you know, all these things that can feel like limitations
and constraints can really serve us if we're listening, if
we're paying attention and dropping in on a regular basis,
and if we bothered.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
To spend more time understanding who we are. Yeah, truly, Brenda,
because that is like number one. Like I said, I
think again it was last week. Sorry to keep referring
to last week. I'll but we listened. But I but
like I went through the individualism part of it first.
(27:54):
You know, I went through you taught me trow you know,
I learned medium hip. I took also all the practical
tests everybody else takes, like you know, the Colby or
the idiogram or you know, even did the disc test.
I did everything to understand more about who I was.
(28:16):
And when I understood, I knew what to run toward,
not away from, but toward.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, I whole leverage and accommodate any you know blind
spots that you have lots of those, Well then that's
where the team concept comes it does, right, nobody has
it all right, So yeah, super important, super important.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
And so then when I was being blocked, I still
knew where to run. And I might have been running
sideways like a crab, but but I was still running.
And that's the thing. Like for people like me, I
can't just stop and tracks like I still have to
have progress to keep doing more things in my brain.
(28:57):
And again we're all different, right, but I know me now,
and so I found So I took this right hand
turn down a path. By the way, not only nobody
at Fox had gone down, but nobody in the industry
had gone down.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Well, that's your sweet spot.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Totally my sweet spot. And because part of what I
learned about myself is that I'm also very earnest. You know,
I wake up every morning wanting to do the right thing.
You know, I've had people try to say, oh, but
you know your creative, you're authentic, You're all these things,
lovely things. But really, in the core of who I
am is I am very authentic because I want to
do the right thing, and because I want to do
(29:34):
the right thing for the company, for my management, for
the films, the filmmakers, for all of that. At that time,
that was my when I obviously at Fox, is that
I went sideways because that was another way I could
express the creativity writing on the back of being earnest.
(29:54):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, And I would also say, there was no one
there to to check you. There's no one there to
go oh no, no, that's not Elaine. They didn't even know
what the hell you were doing. Like they couldn't even
drop their brains around it, right, So when even when
you told them about it, they just kind of tilted
their head like, I wonder why she's doing that, but whatever,
you know, right, And so that's the beauty of it.
(30:17):
That's the beauty of it.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
And here's the thing. It was dropped down by the
other side. To me, I just flat out it was
dropped down. And that's the beauty of listening. I mean
totally yes.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Having that meditation practice and having they have so many
experiences and informations that your guidance is real. Pay attention,
pay attention, don't we say? Haven't we said that a lot?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Like pay attention? Because my life was very different before
I paid attention. I started paying attention. It's like everything
was technicolor. It was. It's phenomenal when you start doing that.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
And things just get dialed in in the sweetest way.
And if something doesn't turn out the way you thought,
you're like, it's okay, it's not done. That's right, it's
still going to un There's more, there's more to be
revealed here. I just have to be patient. Right. Yes,
it's totally different energy, totally different vibe.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
There we have it creativity. Innovation comes in a lot
of different shapes and sizes, which was I think the
reason we wanted to do this. It is not just
again one thing, especially come from marketing. It's not like
a marketing idea that's going to come to life. Sometimes
you're going to have ideas and they're not going to
be in the physical world. But it does so much
more like people like I've had all these ideas but
(31:35):
we haven't done it, and it's like.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, but keep going, keep going because you can.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
You know, whether it is figuring out what to do
with trucks that were half loaded, or figuring out to
do with data, or figuring out to do you know,
it's all in the same vibration.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
And also just remember like we wanted to do this
little mini series at the beginning of the year when
you're figuring out how can I really bring my best right?
That's why we do New Year's resolutions or just review.
It's not even you know, we're not even asking you
to do resolutions, but to review, like where do I
(32:11):
get stuck? What's my ownership of that? And if I
am feeling stuck in some other ways? And I understand
it's a systemic thing. It's bigger than me. Where can
I find my lane to play right? Where can I
cultivate my own creativity? Because each of us, as human beings,
we are creative.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
And the other thing brand. Nobody needs me to actually
guide them on what your resolution new year's resolution should be,
because I'm the dipshit that had one one year that
was I wanted to be sarcastic and make people believe
it was true. That was my resolution, and I nailed it.
By the way, it was fantastic. Understand I don't know,
(32:54):
but I would tell them afterwards. I was giving them shit.
But my whole thing was like, it is a believability thing.
So you don't nobody wants me to teach them a resolution?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Just FYI good to know.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, No, we will never have a resolution episode with
me on It might be one that you might do
on your own.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Well, hopefully we've just given you some ground you like
a latching pad for your twenty twenty four in a
way that it gives you some things to reflect upon.
See where you can activate these solutions, these openings. How
you get to be the solution and you get to
cultivate your own creativity and doing it with faith, dropping
in listening and listening deeply to your body cues, to
(33:33):
your emotional cues, to your messages from your guide, all
of it, because it's all available to you. And so
that's what we really wanted to create for you with
this always a couple episodes, So with that.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
And I hope it helped you all because I'm telling
you it was life changing. And again I just I
know you want to close this episode because we've so
gone over. Sorry Joey again, but don't forget Brenda. What
she said, not don't get Brenda. Don't forget what Brenda
said is you bring you everywhere you go, and and
(34:07):
that is that was so powerful. And I didn't want
to be somebody different. I don't want to, you know
because people are like, oh, well I'm different when I'm
not at work. I'm like, I'm sorry. So just remember
you bring you, take yourself wherever you go. So anyway,
now you can close the episode, Brenda, I wonder tomind
everybody make it chut the hell up?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Thank you, milf, so thanks for listening, everybody. I remember
her schools hard without your WICHI pooh, thank y'all. And
the other side and.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Somebody's here.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Thank you for joining us, everyone, and a special thanks
to our producer Joey Patt and our executive producer Maya
Cole Howard, who guides us well we guide you.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
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Speaker 2 (35:03):
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