November 15, 2023 • 31 mins
Trigger Warning: today's podcast contains sensitive subject matter: child mortality.
After her infant son jumped the planet, listener Hailey writes in to ask: Is an untimely death always planned as part of someone's soul contract?
Children bring such gentleness and innocence to our world, and we innately want to protect them from harm or suffering. In a world where children often die way too soon, we as individuals and as a collective feel a form of unimaginable grief that is nearly impossible to define or understand. We ask the hardest of questions: Why them? Why now? What is the purpose and meaning behind this form of senseless cruelty and pain?
So often, the body may be young, but the soul is old and wise. So many past lives are bundled into a tiny human; many who are born with a big mission attached to a short lifespan. Does this justify their passing? Absolutely not. Yet, awareness of the brevity of life and of our emotions is critical. The love and purpose children bring to our world are the very things we need to keep a hold of when we deeply grieve senseless tragedies.
Because Earth School is hard, and sometimes the world doesn't make sense. That's when the Other Side can bring comfort to our weary hearts and minds.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of iHeartRadio. Hi, y'all, I'm Julie.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hi there, I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the
Other Side.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Now, y'all need to know that we are obsessed with
everything on the other side.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yes, we are, because once you learn to navigate the energetic,
or to some the invisible world, life is going to
be more fun and much more serene.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Uh heck, yes it can. Because let's be honest, br in,
earth school is hard. In fact, you taught me.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
That let's crush Earth School together.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, hello, my witchy open, what is up with you?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh? My olf? So much, so very much? Right, Yeah,
a lot going on. You got a busy witch. How
about you?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
What are you up to?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You know?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I in fact, I'm going to actually share You don't
know this yet, but I'm going to share something because
I've getten. I've getten. I've gotten a lot of like DMS,
text messages, all this kind of stuff because they're all
so many peoples are like, oh, I'm starting to do
ginger shots because of you. I get the My high
school boyfriend John had to call me and have all
(01:23):
these questions about kachava and so it's just a funny thing.
So I just, you know, wanted to add one more
thing that that I feel has been really great for
my health, and I just thought i'd share it. Listen,
if I were anybody, if I had half if I
were anybody but myself and had half a brain, I
would not follow any health information I give anybody, because
(01:43):
I've struggled my entire life with this shit. But every
once in a while I stumble on something good. So
the latest that I love and I've always loved it,
but it's like I'm on a pretty good regimen with
it is Kombuchah.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, you gotta watch it though, because sometimes there's less sugar.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
In those correct you do. I'm also because of course
I live in the land of artistes, yes, and and
a lot of potters, and they make these like things
you can make your own kombucha, which I'm telling Susanna,
I'm like, I want to make my own kombucha when
we move into our house. I'm so excited. Anyway, So
(02:20):
that's my newest thing. So just fyi, everybody, that's fun.
Yeah it is, but you're right, the sugar can get
and so I don't drink it late, but just one
serving is like fifty calories. Like if you get the
KT kombucha, just say it's not my thing, but I
love it. Yeah, it's bubbly and it makes me feel alive.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh my god, I'm not ready for you to be
more alive.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I don't know, right, Oh my god, have exhausting for
everybody involved. But it's it's but it's part of that
whole you know, it's that gut health, right, So it's
that gut health and it's like the gut brain connection.
So you know, better late than never. Anyway, that's awesome,
Good for you, that's what's up.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well done.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Thanks, So today we are gonna yeah our episode which
we are so enamored and so dearly and deeply love
our listeners and love to actually dedicate shows to them
because they asked such very thoughtful questions that we need
to really take the whole show for most of a
(03:29):
show to address. And this one we're calling Whyatt's Mom
And so we'll get to Wyatt's Mom in just a second.
But there was something else that another listener sent to us,
And of course I love this ship because they're ghost photos.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
This is your lane.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It is so my lane. So I thought this was
really fantastic, and the message came through and she had
said she is. It's obviously a picture of a picture,
so the detail is a little faint. She says. In
the original picture, their h their wisp of smoke behind
(04:13):
the girl in the photo, which is her daughter. There's
also a faint outline of a head and shoulder. So
my only response is, uh, yep, you're right, and nothing's wrong.
I think that's the other thing. People send stuff because
they're so worried. Their word is like, oh, we're being haunted.
(04:34):
And by the way, I get it. Remember, Hollywood fucked
everything up for everybody when it comes to ghost, and
they really did, like everything's bad and evil. Have you
ever watched it with the exception of the movie Ghost,
Have you ever watched the show or movie where ghosts?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It was?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Okay, no you haven't. They went all horror on us.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Casper, Casper, he was exception right, we.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Need to reboot Casper. So the answer is yes, and
please everybody send them, keep sending them, because I will
tell you if something does look nefarious, you know, not friendly,
happy to tell, you know, just but this was just
kind of playful. So it's kind of fun anyway.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, and it was fun that she was able someone
was able to capture it right in the shower, right,
because that that can be fun. And really, when when
you get sensitive about energy, it can be fun just
to set your camp, your phone camera off and just
to you know, take a bunch of pictures right and
see what you capture.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Right. Yes, somebody I know has done that. And you're
looking at her gray headband and still wet hair and all.
At least I showered before I got on here with you.
Justephy everybody's welcome.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But again there, I don't think that's what they were
necessarily going for when they took the picture, but maybe
I don't know. Because the spirit Yeah, but the spirits
are pretty focused in the in the shot, the pretty
centered in the shot.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
So yeah, and it's so cute because like the little
girl is looking right at it, and this the other
thing is she may have seen it before they took
a picture, and they're looking right back, and they're looking
right the heck back. So much fun, you know, it is,
and we've talked about this before, but you know, with
all the ring cameras, you know, with even the digital
you know, we walk around twenty four hours well and
(06:31):
some people do sleep, but we have we have a
camera with us all the time. Yeah, you know, and
sometimes it can be bad that we have a camera
all the time, and sometimes it could be good that
we have a camera all the time. And you know this,
the the mounds and mounds of photographs that are surfacing
or videos are pretty incredible. They have shows like Susanna.
(06:51):
I just found some show I don't know, maybe on
Netflix or something about the unexplained and tried to explain
the unexplained. But it's all from what people pick up.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, which is it's fun. Yeah, yeah, good.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So anyway, that is not why it's mom, but that
it's been paper by the way, everybody hears, so you know,
that was just a quickie that somebody sent and wanted
to acknowledge, and uh, you know, we all good. Okay,
do you want me to start with why it's Mom's
who's Haley? I know, but I like call people the
(07:26):
other kids, you know, yeah, like my mom was Julie's mom.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Oh yeah, that's so nice, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Didn't your mom go by Brenda's mom?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I don't think so that she just went by saying
she had.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Her own identity did. So we'll read the question and
then I think we'll come back and talk more about it.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Sounds great, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Okay, So but before I go, before I go on
with this, I just want to explain to everybody that
the reason why we want to focus on this so
much is that what Haley was asking about, it's so
big and she is very personal to her, but it's
a really big topic. So all right, here's what she says.
(08:15):
She goes, loving your podcast. I found it after attending
Brenda your June Essalyn workshop on Spirit Guide Connection. So
look at you bringing us listeners. Bren She continues, she goes,
I've been studying the soul's journey and contracts and listen
(08:38):
to your podcast on that topic, and wanted to ask,
is an untimely death always planned and part of their contract?
Such a great question. Now I'm going to add the
second part to this dis serve and understands the context
of the question, which you have already actually addressed with her.
(09:01):
But she goes, I asked because my infant son Wyat
crossed over earlier this year at four and a half
months old and through processing deep grief, I'm trying to
learn more about what his contract and soul's plan might
have been. Then she adds Brenda actually interacted with Wyatt.
(09:23):
He came through in a group reading during that week
and it was healing and wonderful to hear from my
sweet baby. And then she just talks about how much
she appreciates our podcasts and our episodes on grief, you know,
because I mean, let's be honest, if you don't grieve
in this live you ain't doing it right. You're also
missing out on something really magical.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah. I would also offer that grieving is hard, and.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
If you don't seek help and support in the process,
it's easy to try and bypass it. Right, means it's
gonna come out sideways, right because you can't skip the steps, right,
You can't skip the steps. It will it will take you, know,
it'll find you. It will hunt you down and take
(10:10):
you down to makes you make sure, make sure you
get this this necessary part of life. It's to grieve
is exhausting, and it's really hard work and it is
sacred rarefied air when it's done well.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So why don't we take a quick break then on
rarefied Air, because I love when you say that. I
think it's a good stopping places rarefied Air. And we'll
be right back.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Everybody, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I mean, come the fuck on. We're like talking about souls,
journeys and contracts and we're giggling because life.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I mean, it's so quirky and funny and humans are
so weird. And you know, this little baby Wyatt, his
soul isn't little baby. You know, he's completely fine. He's
completely at peace with what happened right.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So well, Like, I think one of the reasons we
really wanted to dive a little deeper into that and
into this question is and not in again, you've already
talked to Mama about you know, you've already talked to
Wyatt for Mama. But I what I love about the
question is in our world today, you know, we see
(11:43):
so many children that are honestly being killed. You know,
we look at Israel Palestine, all the children that are
dying in that war. The Ukrainian there's the Ukrainian children
that are dying as well. There are children died.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Of of uh.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I mean, the number one death of children in the
United States is now guns because and it really makes
you wonder, what the hell. You know, I think that
we went from a time, you know, during COVID and
I'll call it fear in silence, right because we were
(12:23):
all so kind of within ourselves and afraid, and now
we have fear and noise. And the noise that is
happening is the war, the weapons, all of these types
of things, and you're and it makes you wonder, like,
what the hell is going on? You know, what the
hell is going on with the kids? Because kids are
(12:44):
these like sacred creatures to us. You know, they are
at least their their their birthday suit, their older souls,
but they're still sacred because they're still learning, right, they're
new to the world, and they're usually innocent, unless you know,
it's like Damien in that movie, Okay, do I need
(13:06):
to be bringing that ship up to you? You don't even
know what they've been talking about, do you? Or they're possessed,
you know, like possessed, but they're not. But really, it's
like children are so critical in our gentleness, are kindness
of who we are as creatures. And now we're seeing
that all these children being taken away.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And I think the thing is what you were saying
and what people should we hope they understand is their
body might be young, but their soul isn't right right
and bye way, everybody forgive them. I have a dog
running back and forth talking. Last time it was Luli.
(13:47):
I know, I know, this time it's Sickie. We'll let
your ass down.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Late snap in a penalty box. But I do think
this this concept of you know, before we were isolated,
not knowing what was going to get us, or not
knowing the state of the world or how we were
going to come out of COVID versus you know, so
that it took us everyone inside. It took everyone you know,
(14:16):
to separate and be isolated to experience the fear individually
versus now it's global, external loud in front of us.
We can't tune into any kind of updates without seeing something.
And and what do we do? How do we experience it?
(14:37):
How can we even hold that in context of what's happening?
And you know, what am I supposed to do with that?
And you know, being overwhelmed or having anxiety or you know,
sometimes just crying, like just being so sad and when
faced with overwhelming fear and vulnerability and heartache for people
(14:59):
you never knew. But I can't imagine the catastrophes and
horror of.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
War, right because it's the pain of losing the kid.
But you know, you can see the pain in the
family's eyes, you know, and it's like and by the way,
just see if anybody's like a big you know, Second
Amendment person, This is not what this show's about. It's
just a fact. This is just a fact. We're not
This is not political. It is literally just a fact.
That is the number one, number one cause of death
(15:29):
and kids. And when I was a kid, it was
car accidents. And that's when mothers against drunk drivers, I
mean right, because a lot of it were drunk drivers.
And seat belts, you know, were upon time we didn't
wear seat belts. We didn't have come right, I mean,
oh hell no, are you kidding? I would threw us
in the back of the woody wagon.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I mean yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Gave us a McDonald's apple pie and said shut up, children.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Time for kids to be quiet, right. But I also
I think you know, first of all, being aware of
the emotions you're feeling is an important step like just acknowledge,
like I can't check in today or I I you know,
I can't get I can't get the updates today. I'm
so overwhelmed. I don't I can't process at all, or
(16:17):
I've got to focus on what I have to deliver
today or you know, be present for But you know,
it's just it's it's too much, like give yourself that
break when you need it. It's super important.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
So I think I yes, agreed and must take lots
of breaks. Trust me, I feel like I feel like
I'm a kidnaps take recess a lot. And the way
that the world is today. But let's go back to
the soul contract thing, because what it feels like to me,
and please, and I know you'll tell me I'm wrong,
(16:50):
but it's my open invitation to tell me how wrong
I am. But it kind of feels. Actually I'm gonna
I'm gonna give you an example. First, If you remember
when I had my vision quest one night with the
dragons in the Dragon Realm on the Dragon Planet. For
(17:11):
those who've listened to our show, you all know what
I'm talking about. And I remember telling you about it
and you're like, well, yeah, it had to be a dragon,
otherwise you wouldn't listen. If it were a kitty cat,
you would not have paid attention. Isn't it weird? I
remember almost everything you say to me, taking the stuff
I don't want to hear. Right, it's crazy. Right, So
here's what it makes me feel like about what's going on.
(17:34):
It's like, I don't think we pay attention unless it's children, right,
Like we didn't pay attention to safety and automobiles or
people drink driving until it affected children. And I wonder
if one of the things that's happening again, this isn't
about Wyatt, Why does a whole like we just wanted
to have this conversation about soul's journey and children is
(17:56):
I wondered, because we wouldn't pay attention if it wasn't
kids about the issues with wars and weapons and all
the things that are happened. I think it's one of
the reasons why there's so much discourse about the Israeli
Hamas war is because there's so many children involved. I
think the reason there's more discourse when it comes to
(18:17):
guns is because it's more children.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, and again, I want to be clear, my impression
and experience is not that a soul comes with a
contract that says I'm going to sacrifice for the sake
of gun control or I'm going to sacrifice. That doesn't
mean that they don't come with a big mission to
(18:42):
be accomplished in a short amount of time, right, right,
to bring attention to something like this, because that is
often very clear contract. Right. The rest of the rest
of us require decades to deliver our contract.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, no kidding, yeah no, but I totally agree. I
don't see it as a direct relationship, but I see
it as a mission, right, you know, like whatever that
big thing is, and this is the big thing. And
you know, I also don't think that everything has been
pre written.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Oh gosh, No, Well, I mean, you know, things that
are set up to be activated that the soul gets
the option to activate or pass on.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Right, right, So I think that this, but I think
there's a there's a relationship to a soul's contract, a
soul's journey for what we just talked about. Like it
might not be a direct directly written Like if somebody
thinks about a contract I've ever seen, it's not like
it's directly written. Yeah, it's like, Okay, you're going to
(19:44):
go on the planet for six and a half years,
and this is what's going to happen. That is not
what we're saying. So it's gonna be really clear with
everybody because people look for answers, they look for the
people want to know the why, so desperately, Well, you know,
why did I lose my son? Why did I lose
my daughter? Why is a whole generation in the Middle
(20:09):
East being wiped out?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Why? Right? And we want certainty in the face of chaos,
And it's actually it's actually not possible, right, because we're
so uncomfortable with like, Okay, well this is what's happening,
and just being with what is actually unfolding, it's very uncomfortable.
It makes you feel out of control. So I need certainty.
(20:31):
I need to know there's a purpose to this, right
that I as a human can understand, you know, not
on a soul level that gets played out over in lifetimes,
but that's the truth of the matter. That's how things
do unfold, righty.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I totally agree. It's like, how could I am so
clear even though I don't know all the details, I
am so clear that the life I've led so far
was exactly what it was supposed to be right, didn't
have the details, didn't have a fine sprint, yep, didn't
(21:06):
have asterisks, but it was this is what your goal
was to do here, and whether it's for fifty four
years or six and a half years or whatever, it is,
because time is our little construct anyway, because there are
people who've accomplished more in six and a half years
than anybody ever has in fifty four right, So there's
(21:28):
that is another aspect of it, that is part of
that I think the contract part right.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yep, yep, exactly. All right, let's take a break and
we'll be right back. Head, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Oh my god, I just realized how much fun I
can have with a camera.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
That so why did it take me this many years
to know how playful I could be on a video call?
Not what we were going to talk about in this
last part of the of the show, but what what
what I think is really important for people, And it's
actually what Wyatt's mom, Slash Haley, had said. And I
(22:16):
want to suddress this is because part of her question
in the middle of it was is an untimely death
always planned and part of their contract? So let's be
really clear. I think this idea of untimely death for me,
(22:37):
anybody I love who has died has felt untimely to me.
But it's actually not untimely. It just sucks.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Well, it's it's inconvenient. It's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yes, it's like what I have picked for my mom
to live longer. Yeah, I wish she was here right now.
I mean she is right here right now, but not
her body right you know. I wish my dad didn't
jump forty years ago. I wish Mona was not that
car accident. I wish doctor Cindy Ray wasn't in another
(23:11):
vehicle incident on the side of a highway in Detroit, Michigan.
Do I wish that there? Of course I do. But
untimely's not the right word. They're all timely, they're every perfect.
Everything's everything's purposeful, and everything's perfect, even though it's not
what we desire, it's not what we can even comprehend. Like,
(23:36):
you know, we're in Scorpio season right This is people
are jumping a lot right now at this opening of
Scorpio season, and it's because it's the season of transition
and death is the maha, the ultimate transition and so
like he's worth a Maha maha. That was that was
a cocktail with some produce.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
No, it sounds good for great grand elevated. It's the biggest,
it's the biggest transition, right, so, uh, you know it's
it's so it's unexpected, as like I said, it's uncomfortable,
it's inconvenient, but it's not untimely. It's it's perfect right, right,
(24:19):
I mean you talked about how every step of your
life is exactly as it should be, including all those transitions,
exactly right right this morning, thinking about I've been as
I have lived as long with my brother as I
have without. Yeah, right, crazy, it's so crazy to even
(24:40):
think of that. I cannot wrap my brain around that
because that's not how it is in my heart, you know.
But so it's unusual and it's unforeseen perhaps or unprepared,
but not untimely.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Or wanted that's a fair word. Oh, it's definitely unwanted, right,
and you know that's very undesired, unwanted. I mean, why
it's mom, it's like you know, a half months, four
and a half months, and you know what it also
reminds me of and I'm pretty sure we've talked about
this before. When we talked, you had introduced me to
Jay Luna. You he practices the Astyrian astrology, which is how.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Many signs that twenty six, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
And he had you had had a reading from him,
and so I'm like, well, I want one, because that's
what an elf does. It's like, well, if you're gonna
do it, I want to do it too. Just don't
jump off a bridge. I'm afraid I'll be red buying Jacko.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
And I think you're in good shape. I think you're
in good shape, thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
And I think uh. And I remember one of my
past lives was I was married to a man. We
had we lived in Uh. I was a woman and
we lived in Italy and he had what some would
call it and i'm time or inconvenient passing. And what
(26:06):
I did in that lifetime is that instead of dealing
with it, I just went into solitude. I went by
myself to the coast and lived out a very lonely,
miserable life. And I think that is also part of
the lesson that when we deal with these inconvenient untime
whatever words people want to use for this, is that
(26:27):
it's also looking at who were you? Because people look
at the other like why did they go? Why did
they go? It's like, well you have to look at you.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Well? I think it's a matter of establishing a new normal.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yes, right, but not like running away, not you know,
it's like still still being able to function in society,
still being able to find value in your life, to find,
to give, to receive, to teach, to learn all of
those things. Right. I think that was a lesson that
(27:02):
I got from that message from Jade, And that is
a lesson that I really feel is important to pass
on to everybody else today. Is in these inconvenient, unwonted
times when we lose people that we love from their
birthday suits that I think part of the goal, part
of the mission is to keep going well.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And again, I do think to the point we opened with,
taking time to grief is important, yes, And whatever that
looks like and whatever form that takes. Sometimes you really
can't even begin to feel again for a year, yes, right,
and then you can start actively four or five right. Right,
Sometimes it's like that, you know, and so it's okay
(27:48):
to take the time or to not know or to
feel numb, right to not understand and be able to
incorporate and process and re engage. So if it takes year,
if it takes five years, like take the time, and
then when you're ready, continue living fully. Right. It's the
best way you can honor someone who's not.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Here exactly right. And that's what I think. Back that
story that passed one of my five past lives, karmac lives,
I think that's what he was saying, yeah, right, And
I think it was since, you know, because in our
soul's journey sometimes so clearly I had done that and
the whole idea was not to do that again, right,
(28:33):
you did not? I did not know. And I think
that's why it's so profound in this conversation. And I
hope that Hayley, here's that piece of it. And that's
really what I feel like I can offer to her
today is that story of Jade and past lives and
(28:53):
you know, and it sounds like she is definitely searching
for her path. She does.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, She's incorporating so much spiritual information in a very
short amount of time and doing it with integrity and
practicing and authenticity is so impressive. It's so impressive. And
if she were doing that to numb out or neglect
her grieving, it'd be one thing. But she's not.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
She's actually she's active. She's active, right.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
And and Suki's supporting her.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And Sookie supports it. So on Sukie's note, her very
loud note this season a scorpion for you little third Okay,
So on this note, thank you Hayley, Thank you Hailey.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
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our listeners and inviting you to pay attention to where
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your new normal. Whatever may be triggering you or getting
your attention, or are you losing energy, take care and
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bring your healing because remember, our school is hard.
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Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of iHeartRadio. Hi, y'all, I'm Julie.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hi there, I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the
Other Side.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Now, y'all need to know that we are obsessed with
everything on the other side.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yes, we are, because once you learn to navigate the energetic,
or to some the invisible world, life is going to
be more fun and much more serene.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Uh heck, yes it can. Because let's be honest, br in,
earth school is hard. In fact, you taught me.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
That let's crush Earth School together.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, hello, my witchy open, what is up with you?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh? My olf? So much, so very much? Right, Yeah,
a lot going on. You got a busy witch. How
about you?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
What are you up to?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You know?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I in fact, I'm going to actually share You don't
know this yet, but I'm going to share something because
I've getten. I've getten. I've gotten a lot of like DMS,
text messages, all this kind of stuff because they're all
so many peoples are like, oh, I'm starting to do
ginger shots because of you. I get the My high
school boyfriend John had to call me and have all
(01:23):
these questions about kachava and so it's just a funny thing.
So I just, you know, wanted to add one more
thing that that I feel has been really great for
my health, and I just thought i'd share it. Listen,
if I were anybody, if I had half if I
were anybody but myself and had half a brain, I
would not follow any health information I give anybody, because
(01:43):
I've struggled my entire life with this shit. But every
once in a while I stumble on something good. So
the latest that I love and I've always loved it,
but it's like I'm on a pretty good regimen with
it is Kombuchah.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, you gotta watch it though, because sometimes there's less sugar.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
In those correct you do. I'm also because of course
I live in the land of artistes, yes, and and
a lot of potters, and they make these like things
you can make your own kombucha, which I'm telling Susanna,
I'm like, I want to make my own kombucha when
we move into our house. I'm so excited. Anyway, So
(02:20):
that's my newest thing. So just fyi, everybody, that's fun.
Yeah it is, but you're right, the sugar can get
and so I don't drink it late, but just one
serving is like fifty calories. Like if you get the
KT kombucha, just say it's not my thing, but I
love it. Yeah, it's bubbly and it makes me feel alive.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh my god, I'm not ready for you to be
more alive.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I don't know, right, Oh my god, have exhausting for
everybody involved. But it's it's but it's part of that
whole you know, it's that gut health, right, So it's
that gut health and it's like the gut brain connection.
So you know, better late than never. Anyway, that's awesome,
Good for you, that's what's up.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well done.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Thanks, So today we are gonna yeah our episode which
we are so enamored and so dearly and deeply love
our listeners and love to actually dedicate shows to them
because they asked such very thoughtful questions that we need
to really take the whole show for most of a
(03:29):
show to address. And this one we're calling Whyatt's Mom
And so we'll get to Wyatt's Mom in just a second.
But there was something else that another listener sent to us,
And of course I love this ship because they're ghost photos.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
This is your lane.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It is so my lane. So I thought this was
really fantastic, and the message came through and she had
said she is. It's obviously a picture of a picture,
so the detail is a little faint. She says. In
the original picture, their h their wisp of smoke behind
(04:13):
the girl in the photo, which is her daughter. There's
also a faint outline of a head and shoulder. So
my only response is, uh, yep, you're right, and nothing's wrong.
I think that's the other thing. People send stuff because
they're so worried. Their word is like, oh, we're being haunted.
(04:34):
And by the way, I get it. Remember, Hollywood fucked
everything up for everybody when it comes to ghost, and
they really did, like everything's bad and evil. Have you
ever watched it with the exception of the movie Ghost,
Have you ever watched the show or movie where ghosts?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It was?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Okay, no you haven't. They went all horror on us.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Casper, Casper, he was exception right, we.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Need to reboot Casper. So the answer is yes, and
please everybody send them, keep sending them, because I will
tell you if something does look nefarious, you know, not friendly,
happy to tell, you know, just but this was just
kind of playful. So it's kind of fun anyway.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, and it was fun that she was able someone
was able to capture it right in the shower, right,
because that that can be fun. And really, when when
you get sensitive about energy, it can be fun just
to set your camp, your phone camera off and just
to you know, take a bunch of pictures right and
see what you capture.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Right. Yes, somebody I know has done that. And you're
looking at her gray headband and still wet hair and all.
At least I showered before I got on here with you.
Justephy everybody's welcome.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But again there, I don't think that's what they were
necessarily going for when they took the picture, but maybe
I don't know. Because the spirit Yeah, but the spirits
are pretty focused in the in the shot, the pretty
centered in the shot.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
So yeah, and it's so cute because like the little
girl is looking right at it, and this the other
thing is she may have seen it before they took
a picture, and they're looking right back, and they're looking
right the heck back. So much fun, you know, it is,
and we've talked about this before, but you know, with
all the ring cameras, you know, with even the digital
you know, we walk around twenty four hours well and
(06:31):
some people do sleep, but we have we have a
camera with us all the time. Yeah, you know, and
sometimes it can be bad that we have a camera
all the time, and sometimes it could be good that
we have a camera all the time. And you know this,
the the mounds and mounds of photographs that are surfacing
or videos are pretty incredible. They have shows like Susanna.
(06:51):
I just found some show I don't know, maybe on
Netflix or something about the unexplained and tried to explain
the unexplained. But it's all from what people pick up.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, which is it's fun. Yeah, yeah, good.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So anyway, that is not why it's mom, but that
it's been paper by the way, everybody hears, so you know,
that was just a quickie that somebody sent and wanted
to acknowledge, and uh, you know, we all good. Okay,
do you want me to start with why it's Mom's
who's Haley? I know, but I like call people the
(07:26):
other kids, you know, yeah, like my mom was Julie's mom.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Oh yeah, that's so nice, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Didn't your mom go by Brenda's mom?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I don't think so that she just went by saying
she had.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Her own identity did. So we'll read the question and
then I think we'll come back and talk more about it.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Sounds great, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Okay, So but before I go, before I go on
with this, I just want to explain to everybody that
the reason why we want to focus on this so
much is that what Haley was asking about, it's so
big and she is very personal to her, but it's
a really big topic. So all right, here's what she says.
(08:15):
She goes, loving your podcast. I found it after attending
Brenda your June Essalyn workshop on Spirit Guide Connection. So
look at you bringing us listeners. Bren She continues, she goes,
I've been studying the soul's journey and contracts and listen
(08:38):
to your podcast on that topic, and wanted to ask,
is an untimely death always planned and part of their contract?
Such a great question. Now I'm going to add the
second part to this dis serve and understands the context
of the question, which you have already actually addressed with her.
(09:01):
But she goes, I asked because my infant son Wyat
crossed over earlier this year at four and a half
months old and through processing deep grief, I'm trying to
learn more about what his contract and soul's plan might
have been. Then she adds Brenda actually interacted with Wyatt.
(09:23):
He came through in a group reading during that week
and it was healing and wonderful to hear from my
sweet baby. And then she just talks about how much
she appreciates our podcasts and our episodes on grief, you know,
because I mean, let's be honest, if you don't grieve
in this live you ain't doing it right. You're also
missing out on something really magical.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah. I would also offer that grieving is hard, and.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
If you don't seek help and support in the process,
it's easy to try and bypass it. Right, means it's
gonna come out sideways, right because you can't skip the steps, right,
You can't skip the steps. It will it will take you, know,
it'll find you. It will hunt you down and take
(10:10):
you down to makes you make sure, make sure you
get this this necessary part of life. It's to grieve
is exhausting, and it's really hard work and it is
sacred rarefied air when it's done well.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So why don't we take a quick break then on
rarefied Air, because I love when you say that. I
think it's a good stopping places rarefied Air. And we'll
be right back.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Everybody, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I mean, come the fuck on. We're like talking about souls,
journeys and contracts and we're giggling because life.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I mean, it's so quirky and funny and humans are
so weird. And you know, this little baby Wyatt, his
soul isn't little baby. You know, he's completely fine. He's
completely at peace with what happened right.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So well, Like, I think one of the reasons we
really wanted to dive a little deeper into that and
into this question is and not in again, you've already
talked to Mama about you know, you've already talked to
Wyatt for Mama. But I what I love about the
question is in our world today, you know, we see
(11:43):
so many children that are honestly being killed. You know,
we look at Israel Palestine, all the children that are
dying in that war. The Ukrainian there's the Ukrainian children
that are dying as well. There are children died.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Of of uh.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I mean, the number one death of children in the
United States is now guns because and it really makes
you wonder, what the hell. You know, I think that
we went from a time, you know, during COVID and
I'll call it fear in silence, right because we were
(12:23):
all so kind of within ourselves and afraid, and now
we have fear and noise. And the noise that is
happening is the war, the weapons, all of these types
of things, and you're and it makes you wonder, like,
what the hell is going on? You know, what the
hell is going on with the kids? Because kids are
(12:44):
these like sacred creatures to us. You know, they are
at least their their their birthday suit, their older souls,
but they're still sacred because they're still learning, right, they're
new to the world, and they're usually innocent, unless you know,
it's like Damien in that movie, Okay, do I need
(13:06):
to be bringing that ship up to you? You don't even
know what they've been talking about, do you? Or they're possessed,
you know, like possessed, but they're not. But really, it's
like children are so critical in our gentleness, are kindness
of who we are as creatures. And now we're seeing
that all these children being taken away.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And I think the thing is what you were saying
and what people should we hope they understand is their
body might be young, but their soul isn't right right
and bye way, everybody forgive them. I have a dog
running back and forth talking. Last time it was Luli.
(13:47):
I know, I know, this time it's Sickie. We'll let
your ass down.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Late snap in a penalty box. But I do think
this this concept of you know, before we were isolated,
not knowing what was going to get us, or not
knowing the state of the world or how we were
going to come out of COVID versus you know, so
that it took us everyone inside. It took everyone you know,
(14:16):
to separate and be isolated to experience the fear individually
versus now it's global, external loud in front of us.
We can't tune into any kind of updates without seeing something.
And and what do we do? How do we experience it?
(14:37):
How can we even hold that in context of what's happening?
And you know, what am I supposed to do with that?
And you know, being overwhelmed or having anxiety or you know,
sometimes just crying, like just being so sad and when
faced with overwhelming fear and vulnerability and heartache for people
(14:59):
you never knew. But I can't imagine the catastrophes and
horror of.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
War, right because it's the pain of losing the kid.
But you know, you can see the pain in the
family's eyes, you know, and it's like and by the way,
just see if anybody's like a big you know, Second
Amendment person, This is not what this show's about. It's
just a fact. This is just a fact. We're not
This is not political. It is literally just a fact.
That is the number one, number one cause of death
(15:29):
and kids. And when I was a kid, it was
car accidents. And that's when mothers against drunk drivers, I
mean right, because a lot of it were drunk drivers.
And seat belts, you know, were upon time we didn't
wear seat belts. We didn't have come right, I mean,
oh hell no, are you kidding? I would threw us
in the back of the woody wagon.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I mean yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Gave us a McDonald's apple pie and said shut up, children.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Time for kids to be quiet, right. But I also
I think you know, first of all, being aware of
the emotions you're feeling is an important step like just acknowledge,
like I can't check in today or I I you know,
I can't get I can't get the updates today. I'm
so overwhelmed. I don't I can't process at all, or
(16:17):
I've got to focus on what I have to deliver
today or you know, be present for But you know,
it's just it's it's too much, like give yourself that
break when you need it. It's super important.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
So I think I yes, agreed and must take lots
of breaks. Trust me, I feel like I feel like
I'm a kidnaps take recess a lot. And the way
that the world is today. But let's go back to
the soul contract thing, because what it feels like to me,
and please, and I know you'll tell me I'm wrong,
(16:50):
but it's my open invitation to tell me how wrong
I am. But it kind of feels. Actually I'm gonna
I'm gonna give you an example. First, If you remember
when I had my vision quest one night with the
dragons in the Dragon Realm on the Dragon Planet. For
(17:11):
those who've listened to our show, you all know what
I'm talking about. And I remember telling you about it
and you're like, well, yeah, it had to be a dragon,
otherwise you wouldn't listen. If it were a kitty cat,
you would not have paid attention. Isn't it weird? I
remember almost everything you say to me, taking the stuff
I don't want to hear. Right, it's crazy. Right, So
here's what it makes me feel like about what's going on.
(17:34):
It's like, I don't think we pay attention unless it's children, right,
Like we didn't pay attention to safety and automobiles or
people drink driving until it affected children. And I wonder
if one of the things that's happening again, this isn't
about Wyatt, Why does a whole like we just wanted
to have this conversation about soul's journey and children is
(17:56):
I wondered, because we wouldn't pay attention if it wasn't
kids about the issues with wars and weapons and all
the things that are happened. I think it's one of
the reasons why there's so much discourse about the Israeli
Hamas war is because there's so many children involved. I
think the reason there's more discourse when it comes to
(18:17):
guns is because it's more children.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, and again, I want to be clear, my impression
and experience is not that a soul comes with a
contract that says I'm going to sacrifice for the sake
of gun control or I'm going to sacrifice. That doesn't
mean that they don't come with a big mission to
(18:42):
be accomplished in a short amount of time, right, right,
to bring attention to something like this, because that is
often very clear contract. Right. The rest of the rest
of us require decades to deliver our contract.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, no kidding, yeah no, but I totally agree. I
don't see it as a direct relationship, but I see
it as a mission, right, you know, like whatever that
big thing is, and this is the big thing. And
you know, I also don't think that everything has been
pre written.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Oh gosh, No, Well, I mean, you know, things that
are set up to be activated that the soul gets
the option to activate or pass on.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Right, right, So I think that this, but I think
there's a there's a relationship to a soul's contract, a
soul's journey for what we just talked about. Like it
might not be a direct directly written Like if somebody
thinks about a contract I've ever seen, it's not like
it's directly written. Yeah, it's like, Okay, you're going to
(19:44):
go on the planet for six and a half years,
and this is what's going to happen. That is not
what we're saying. So it's gonna be really clear with
everybody because people look for answers, they look for the
people want to know the why, so desperately, Well, you know,
why did I lose my son? Why did I lose
my daughter? Why is a whole generation in the Middle
(20:09):
East being wiped out?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Why? Right? And we want certainty in the face of chaos,
And it's actually it's actually not possible, right, because we're
so uncomfortable with like, Okay, well this is what's happening,
and just being with what is actually unfolding, it's very uncomfortable.
It makes you feel out of control. So I need certainty.
(20:31):
I need to know there's a purpose to this, right
that I as a human can understand, you know, not
on a soul level that gets played out over in lifetimes,
but that's the truth of the matter. That's how things
do unfold, righty.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I totally agree. It's like, how could I am so
clear even though I don't know all the details, I
am so clear that the life I've led so far
was exactly what it was supposed to be right, didn't
have the details, didn't have a fine sprint, yep, didn't
(21:06):
have asterisks, but it was this is what your goal
was to do here, and whether it's for fifty four
years or six and a half years or whatever, it is,
because time is our little construct anyway, because there are
people who've accomplished more in six and a half years
than anybody ever has in fifty four right, So there's
(21:28):
that is another aspect of it, that is part of
that I think the contract part right.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yep, yep, exactly. All right, let's take a break and
we'll be right back. Head, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Oh my god, I just realized how much fun I
can have with a camera.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
That so why did it take me this many years
to know how playful I could be on a video call?
Not what we were going to talk about in this
last part of the of the show, but what what
what I think is really important for people, And it's
actually what Wyatt's mom, Slash Haley, had said. And I
(22:16):
want to suddress this is because part of her question
in the middle of it was is an untimely death
always planned and part of their contract? So let's be
really clear. I think this idea of untimely death for me,
(22:37):
anybody I love who has died has felt untimely to me.
But it's actually not untimely. It just sucks.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Well, it's it's inconvenient. It's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yes, it's like what I have picked for my mom
to live longer. Yeah, I wish she was here right now.
I mean she is right here right now, but not
her body right you know. I wish my dad didn't
jump forty years ago. I wish Mona was not that
car accident. I wish doctor Cindy Ray wasn't in another
(23:11):
vehicle incident on the side of a highway in Detroit, Michigan.
Do I wish that there? Of course I do. But
untimely's not the right word. They're all timely, they're every perfect.
Everything's everything's purposeful, and everything's perfect, even though it's not
what we desire, it's not what we can even comprehend. Like,
(23:36):
you know, we're in Scorpio season right This is people
are jumping a lot right now at this opening of
Scorpio season, and it's because it's the season of transition
and death is the maha, the ultimate transition and so
like he's worth a Maha maha. That was that was
a cocktail with some produce.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
No, it sounds good for great grand elevated. It's the biggest,
it's the biggest transition, right, so, uh, you know it's
it's so it's unexpected, as like I said, it's uncomfortable,
it's inconvenient, but it's not untimely. It's it's perfect right, right,
(24:19):
I mean you talked about how every step of your
life is exactly as it should be, including all those transitions,
exactly right right this morning, thinking about I've been as
I have lived as long with my brother as I
have without. Yeah, right, crazy, it's so crazy to even
(24:40):
think of that. I cannot wrap my brain around that
because that's not how it is in my heart, you know.
But so it's unusual and it's unforeseen perhaps or unprepared,
but not untimely.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Or wanted that's a fair word. Oh, it's definitely unwanted, right,
and you know that's very undesired, unwanted. I mean, why
it's mom, it's like you know, a half months, four
and a half months, and you know what it also
reminds me of and I'm pretty sure we've talked about
this before. When we talked, you had introduced me to
Jay Luna. You he practices the Astyrian astrology, which is how.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Many signs that twenty six, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
And he had you had had a reading from him,
and so I'm like, well, I want one, because that's
what an elf does. It's like, well, if you're gonna
do it, I want to do it too. Just don't
jump off a bridge. I'm afraid I'll be red buying Jacko.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
And I think you're in good shape. I think you're
in good shape, thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
And I think uh. And I remember one of my
past lives was I was married to a man. We
had we lived in Uh. I was a woman and
we lived in Italy and he had what some would
call it and i'm time or inconvenient passing. And what
(26:06):
I did in that lifetime is that instead of dealing
with it, I just went into solitude. I went by
myself to the coast and lived out a very lonely,
miserable life. And I think that is also part of
the lesson that when we deal with these inconvenient untime
whatever words people want to use for this, is that
(26:27):
it's also looking at who were you? Because people look
at the other like why did they go? Why did
they go? It's like, well you have to look at you.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Well? I think it's a matter of establishing a new normal.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yes, right, but not like running away, not you know,
it's like still still being able to function in society,
still being able to find value in your life, to find,
to give, to receive, to teach, to learn all of
those things. Right. I think that was a lesson that
(27:02):
I got from that message from Jade, And that is
a lesson that I really feel is important to pass
on to everybody else today. Is in these inconvenient, unwonted
times when we lose people that we love from their
birthday suits that I think part of the goal, part
of the mission is to keep going well.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And again, I do think to the point we opened with,
taking time to grief is important, yes, And whatever that
looks like and whatever form that takes. Sometimes you really
can't even begin to feel again for a year, yes, right,
and then you can start actively four or five right. Right,
Sometimes it's like that, you know, and so it's okay
(27:48):
to take the time or to not know or to
feel numb, right to not understand and be able to
incorporate and process and re engage. So if it takes year,
if it takes five years, like take the time, and
then when you're ready, continue living fully. Right. It's the
best way you can honor someone who's not.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Here exactly right. And that's what I think. Back that
story that passed one of my five past lives, karmac lives,
I think that's what he was saying, yeah, right, And
I think it was since, you know, because in our
soul's journey sometimes so clearly I had done that and
the whole idea was not to do that again, right,
(28:33):
you did not? I did not know. And I think
that's why it's so profound in this conversation. And I
hope that Hayley, here's that piece of it. And that's
really what I feel like I can offer to her
today is that story of Jade and past lives and
(28:53):
you know, and it sounds like she is definitely searching
for her path. She does.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, She's incorporating so much spiritual information in a very
short amount of time and doing it with integrity and
practicing and authenticity is so impressive. It's so impressive. And
if she were doing that to numb out or neglect
her grieving, it'd be one thing. But she's not.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
She's actually she's active. She's active, right.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
And and Suki's supporting her.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And Sookie supports it. So on Sukie's note, her very
loud note this season a scorpion for you little third Okay,
So on this note, thank you Hayley, Thank you Hailey.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
And thank you Wyatt. And we want to thank all
our listeners and inviting you to pay attention to where
you can grieve, where you can incorporate your re establishing
your new normal. Whatever may be triggering you or getting
your attention, or are you losing energy, take care and
when you're ready, re engage and bring your wisdom and
bring your healing because remember, our school is hard.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Without the other side. Thank you all, Thank.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
You for joining us everyone, and a special thanks to
our producer Joey Patt and our executive producer Maya Cole Howard,
who guides us while we guide you.
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Speaker 2 (30:37):
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and remember our school is.
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