July 3, 2025 • 43 mins
A year into starting her podcasting career, Leslie is feeling sentimental. So she's releasing the first ever episode she made: a conversation with true crime podcasting badass Annie Elise. Annie is a successful woman in the podcasting world with a disturbing backstory, and she's the kind of guest Leslie plans to have going forward: powerful women who have been through disturbing times and came out the other side. We hope you enjoy this week's episode.
Hosted by Leslie Dobson. Produced by Liam Billingham. Executive producers are Paul Anderson and Scott McCarthy for Workhouse Media. The views expressed in this podcast episode are solely those of the guest speaker and do not reflect the views of the host or the production company.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Okay you're here.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome back to Intentionally Disturbing. This week, I get to
speak with Annie Elise. This is actually not a new interview,
but we recorded this as my first ever podcast episode.
We actually recorded it in order to use it to
pitch the show so that someone would pick it up,
and Annie was nice.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Enough to be my trial run.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
But it turned into one of my favorite episodes because
Annie is an extremely successful true crime podcaster. She was
actually in fashion and then decided that this was her
passion and she went for it.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
But what we discussed is.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Actually something extremely disturbing that happened to her.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
In her own life.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So as a professional woman, my plan going forward with
this podcast is to have more people like Annie on
the show. Annie is smart, professional, successful. She is a
take note, bullshit kind of woman like me. You'll be
seeing a lot more guests like this in the future.
I hope you enjoy this blast from the Past episode
(01:18):
for the first time on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Okay you're here.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
My name is doctor Leslie. I'm a forensic psychologist and
I have spent over twenty years working with psychopaths, serial killers, pedophiles,
you name it, and what that has done to me
has given me a low barometer for bullshit. So when
I interview somebody, I want to get straight to it.
I want to hear their quirks, their darkness, and their
(01:48):
disturbing thoughts. This podcast is called Intentionally Disturbing, and I'm
really excited to introduce our guest, Annie Elise. Annie has
a YouTube called ten to Life and a podcast which
I'm going to struggle saying, seriously, everybody, cereal lessly ceiallessly yes,
where Annie talks about murder, true crime and absolutely horrible, dark,
(02:14):
dark things. So what I'm really excited about is that
Annie's never been interviewed before about her life, not these
stories or these cases, and so I'm hoping what we
can do in this conversation is show a part of
you that no one has seen, but also that deep
dark side I know that's hiding in there. Great, can't wait.
(02:34):
I guess let's start with like, how you came to California.
I don't even know how you got here?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Who are you? Where are you from? So because you
reached out on Instagram? Right?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
And then I got to do your show, yeah, and
then I just adore you. And then we go to
crime con I know, So, how did you get to California? Well,
I was born in California, Okay. So I was born
in California in nineteen eighty seven in New Poor Beach.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Oh my god, I'm so old.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
No. I was born and raised in Orange County, and
then I moved to New York in twenty fifteen because
I was in the fashion industry.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
What were you doing? Trend forecasting? Okay?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
So I worked with like all the buyers for different
department stores, different boutiques, things like that, and I would
basically research and tell them what the trends were going
to be in two or three years from now, and
then they would know how to buy their assortment for
the masses. So, like, everything you see in Nordstrum or
whatever right now is something we would have worked on
two years ago with the buying team.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I feel so manipulated.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
It is so manipulative, And now I don't even enjoy
shopping because it's like it was work.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I just whatever pops up on the front page of
Nords Drum, I just buy.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
That's because you are what we like to call an
easy target, Like you are easily influenced. I love people
like you. No, so that's what I did for gosh.
I was in the fashion industry for fifteen years about
oh my gosh. So that's why I moved to New York.
And then I was doing that in New York, and
(04:00):
and then COVID hit. Everything was obviously put on pause.
So then I just had a lot of time at
the house. We needed more space. We were living on
top of each other during COVID because you're not going
to the office, You're just in a tiny New York
apartment in Brooklyn. And then so we decided to move
back to California. So then I moved back in end
of twenty twenty one, end of twenty twenty And then,
(04:20):
of course you focus your life on murder. Yeah, that's
still in New York.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Oh it did. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
But can I ask you, is is BTK your favorite killer.
I don't have a favorite killer because he made clothing, No, No,
out of pop I am fascinated with him for definitely
other reasons, not that.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
No, he made furniture too, yeah, yeah, no, but I am.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Fascinated with him. No, I don't think I have a favorite.
The person that got me into true crime, i'd says
Casey Anthony. I've always been fascinated with true crime since
I was younger, and like, I've watched Dateline sixty Minutes,
all the things. But I remember vividly still exactly where
I was when that verdict was read. I was like
on a vacation, sitting in front of the tube TV,
like old school TV, watching it all go down, and
(05:06):
I remember just feeling like this deep rooted feeling of
rage and just like unjust, and I remember that's just
been the case that all was stuck with me. And
then when I started getting into true crime years and
years and years later, I would say that was probably
one of the cases that was like what spearheaded me,
being like, there's a lot of cases that feel like
(05:26):
they weren't handled properly or that need more awareness, so
I'm going.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
To start talking about them. So that's what I did.
I just started going on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
It's like strictly a hobby, never any intention to monetize anything,
to do anything as a career, nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I didn't even know that there were.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
True crime creators out there at the time, so I
just started talking about these cases, and within a couple weeks,
it was like over two hundred and fifty thousand followers.
They were asking for like longer case deep dives. They
wanted to know more information. So I was like, okay, well,
where can I upload longer cases? My mind, I go
to YouTube because I'm old, and I'm like, that's where
I watch music videos and like Britney Scares videos from
(06:04):
the nineties and all of these things Brittany and for Brittany.
So yeah, so I started doing like ten minute case
three caps, uploading them to YouTube. Hence the channel named
ten to life. It was like a play on a sentence,
but ten minutes that kind of just started spiraling. People
wanted longer deep dives. Factories open back up. I was
juggling the full time job still doing all of that,
and then did that for about two years and then
(06:25):
it just kind of skyrocketed, and so September twenty twenty two,
I quit and I decided to pursue content full time.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
You took a huge risk for me.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I had this senior executive position in this company which
I cannot name, but like a very well known, established
billion dollar company, and had the benefits, had the great salary,
all of these things. So then to walk away from
that and go into this space that not only is unknown,
but also could go away at any given moment. It
was definitely scary, especially with two kids at that point.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yes, so what was the driving force?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I just really had a passion for it, honestly, and
that sounds so cliche and lame, but I felt like
what I was doing was impacting a lot of people.
At that point, I was having a lot of victims'
families reach out to me, thanking me for the awareness,
for the coverage for things like that, wanting their case
heard because nobody was covering it. And I just felt
like this tug in me that that's what I wanted
to be doing. It's something I've been fascinated with my
(07:19):
whole life and been interested in. And so it didn't
you like the right decision?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
You listened to yourself. I did.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Okay, So I want to ask you about the car
accident that you had talked about, okay, because I find
this really interesting. I want to hear more about it, because, yeah,
I had very life threatening surgeries when I was about twenty,
and I signed away my organs.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Oh my god. My parents were like, we said goodbye.
Wait what, Yeah, what was the surgery for? What?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I had a nicked bowel from assist and it was
all these errors. I had it in London, and then
I had it in California because it grew back.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
It was like tumor. I was in a coma and
I had a class to me for a while. Holy shit,
And I.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Was so septic.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
They had all the medical students holding my organs trying
to figure out where the perforations were.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And you twenty, I was twenty. Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
And then I went back to school with staples in
my stomach to Colorado. But you know this, like you
know the feeling of literally life or death, like understanding
the pain of the tragedy and the fucking trauma.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Well, now as a parent, I'm sure you can relate.
Like looking back, you think of like what your parents
were experiencing in those moments, like seeing their kid go
through that and it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So I was sixteen, fifteen, about to turn sixteen. Yeah,
because then I turned sixteen, I couldn't get my license
because of all the seizures. But I was at my
friend's house and we were she had driving school that day,
so her older sister was like, hey, Annie, come with us.
We'll drop her off at like drivers at or whatever
it is. We'll go get breakfast and then we'll pick
her up and you guys can like have the day.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I was like cool.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
It was like nine in the morning, and so I
don't know why I did this, Like I was young,
I was stupid, but like I was still tired that morning.
I think we went out the night before, and so
I was like laying down in the back seat of
the car and didn't have my seat belt on, and
I was like, oh, just like wake me up when
we get there. I'll come to the front seat and
then we'll go get breakfast or get pancakes. Ashley the driver,
there was like a turn in the road and she
didn't have her seatbelt on, so she was turning to
(09:20):
go put her seat belt on, and then as the
turn was going of hitting the brake, she hit the
gas and so she jumped the curb, hit a light pole.
The light pulb came down on us. I was in
the back seat, I could sit down windshield and went
into the front and what kind of the ambulances came
because the car was so crushed by the lighthole, they
brought body bags out. Thinking that it was going to
(09:42):
be fatalities all the way around, which we all survived.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Thank god. I blacked out.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I don't really remember anything. The first thing I remember
is being pulled from the dashboard to the back seat
by a paramedic. I'm assuming it was a paramedic, and
they were like cutting my clothing off in the back seat.
I remember, I like my mouth was full of sun thing.
I had knocked out my teeth and not all of them,
but like two of them on the bottom. So they
rush us to the hospital. They're asking me all these questions,
(10:07):
and the ambulance of like where do you live? We
want to contact your parents. Now was before cell phones
really anything like that, so it took them a very
long time to what felt like forever to find my
mom and get in touch with her. She of course,
then rushes to the emergency room. They show me a mirror,
which was like the scariest thing I've ever seen because
I was so swollen, I was bruised. I was like
(10:27):
black and blue, missing teeth, like horrible. But we still
didn't know that anything was like wrong internally at that point.
So they end up taking me home. I like am
recovering and I go for a follow up appointment with
my pediatrician because I still at a pediatrician.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
At the time. Yeah, and sixteen fifteen fifteen, Oh my god.
So she's like just.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Doing these like normal tests like look up, look down,
and I start sniffling a lot, and she's like, she's like,
have you been sniffling a lot? I was like, I
think I have a cold. Like at this point it
had been like a week and a half or something.
Something must have raised alarm bells with her, which I
don't even know how, but she's like, I want you
to go to Chalk Hospital right now, and I want
you to get this fluid that's coming out of your
(11:10):
nose tested.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
It was cerebral yeo, holy shits. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
And so I go to Chalk that night. Again, I
don't really understand the severity of it. My mom is
and she's I think, trying to calm me down and
like not tell me how serious it is. So we
go into the emergency room and they put these like
cotton pledgets all the way up like through my nose
into like my forehead almost to where them like they're
attached to threads, and they like taped the threads on
(11:34):
the side of my face, so I looked like I
had like whiskers, It's like, but they had to like
put those in there because then they gave me a
spinal tap and in that had like a colored dye.
And basically the thought process was and again I don't
know the medical term, but once they removed those the
following day or two days later, if there was die
on the pledge its, then I had openings and that's
(11:54):
how the fluid was escaping.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
So they remove them.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
It tests positive for that. And so that was on
a Friday, and they said that Monday I had.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
To have emergency brain surgery, and.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
So I went into Saint Joe's and chalk that Monday.
Shaved the head, not the whole head, but about here,
shaved my head, opened me from ear to ear, pulled
everything down with my face patched all of this, pulled
me back up, sewed me, and stapled me shut and
going to high school with a half shaved head with
like went back to school, I will after it took
(12:26):
me quite a while to recover from the surgery itself,
but then eventually I had to go back because I
had to complete my ear and that's when I turned sixteen,
I couldn't get my driver's license because I had had
seizures in the hospital and I had that was now
on medication for that. I was on dilantin, and so
they're like, you can't get your driver's license. So I
had to wait for that. But when I went back
to school, it was like my head was half shaved.
(12:48):
I had like this gnarly aid decision that was like
horrifying to look at. And the people at the school,
the administration, said you can't. You have to cover that
because it's distracting. And like so I'd wear like bandanas
and bean and it was like springtime, summertime in California,
and like I remember one day being in class and
like my head was itching because of like the beanie.
My hair grew up trying to grow back all these things.
(13:09):
I was like, fuck it, and I like just ripped
it off and then I got in trouble and got
up to the office. Yeah, and I'm like you motherfuckers, like,
but yeah, it was it was rough. Okay, holy shit,
that was a long story.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Sorry, no, but I can recognize it because when people
ask for my story about the cost to me, I
can just tell it.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, and they feel the impact. I don't feel the
impact anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But I'm always wondering, like where did the impact go,
because it's somewhere in I.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I don't know, it's probably somewhere compartmentalized with the rest
of my shit. Or I think I'm just like numb
like everywhere. I don't know, Like I don't know, you're
not now, I don't know. Well, I guess not. I
cried on stage right.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, I find you to be very poised. Thank you
and professional. I like that word. Let's go with that.
Thank you and graceful, thank you. I love all of that.
I just keep talking.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I mean, I think it's amazing though, because what you
talk about is like heavy, heavy stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Maybe that's my outlet talking about other people's lives like these,
like not like the victims, but like the perpetrators, and
like how awful they are, and maybe that makes.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Me feel better. I don't know, I can see that.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Maybe I'm just I just made it up, so I
don't know if it's true or not.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I can see that, Okay, I probably do that too,
like living the emotions out in other people's stories.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah, I know, I don't know. Okay, do you ever
have any dark or disturbing thoughts? Yeah, all the time.
Oh my God, tell me some Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I mean, I just I had like a really rough
couple relationships when I was younger, my first experience with anything.
I lost my virginity when I was seventeen to a
twenty seven year old, and I thought it was totally normal.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Now I realize it was not normal. These are like
the legal legal cases I take on.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah, yeah, my dad, we found out he wanted to
call the police, and I like of course begged him.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I'm like, please don't, please don't, please don't.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Then I like romanticized the idea of like, oh, I'll
end up with the guy lost my virginity too. So
then like years later, when I was twenty three, we
like rekindled something, and I realized again how toxic that
was because he wanted ultimate control over me. He didn't
even want me working.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
It was just like, Okay, how did he get to
you when you were seventeen?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I was in cosmetology school and so was he, which, hello,
that should have been likely. I read flog number one. Yeah, like,
and he like introduced me to drugs and when I
was seventeen, like drinking all of these things, kind of drugs, coke,
and like I didn't do it all the time, but
like enough with him to wear it just became a
bad dynamic. Like it was just a very unhealthy relationship.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And so a twenty seven year old is giving coke
to a seventeen year old taking your virginity. Man, he was,
he was manipulating you.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, it's very bad. Fuck. So how did it end? Well?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
He was like sex with everybody else at the time too,
and like I was just like an idiot, and like obviously,
like he's gaslighting me. I hate eat that word, but
that's really what was happening. Yeah, And I forget how
it ended. I think it just kind of fizzled out
after a while. And then I jumped into another relationship
which was not only equally unhealthy, probably worse. And he
(16:21):
was I was a little bit older at this point.
I was nineteen. He was twenty six, still a little
too old in my opinion to be with a nineteen
year old, but I was an adult. But he was
like a whole.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Different level of toxic and abusive and not good.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
And I just kind of had this pattern of going
to like unhealthy relationship on a healthy relationship, and then
finally I started to just like move away from that.
And I think that's probably a reason why I talk
about a lot of the things I talk about too,
because I feel like if I could tell my younger
self a lot of things and like things to look
out for, I wish I could, you know, I wonder
(16:58):
if it is linked to the accident and the trauma.
Maybe maybe it's like a healing because it's mechanism.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So quick, so quick after, Like I wonder, I'm curious
about the link.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I definitely think it could have stemmed from that in
my mind, and I don't know clinically like how all
of that works. You would know better than me. I
feel like my interest in true crime may have stemmed
from that, But I also think, like my passion for
it and my reason for talking about cases, some of
the cases I should say that I do is more
of like my past relationship history that has affected me,
(17:31):
and that I wish like I could talk to myself
that version of myself, or like educate and warn other people,
and not that that not that I was ever murdered
or like attempted to be killed, not quite but like,
I don't know, I just feel like awareness in general
about sensitive topics like that is why I'm drawn to
true crime, if that makes sense. If there's like a
link there, maybe Yeah, and then he marry someone younger, younger,
(17:57):
Which how did that happen? I know I've always dated older,
either healthy or not, but older and married somebody younger.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, when did you get married? Twenty seventeen? Okay, did
you have like a big wedding? It was pretty big.
There were like two hundred people.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
It was in like the San Diego area, and we
were the first ones in our families to get married,
so a lot of it I think, like a lot
of the stuff that was involved wasn't for us or
like by our choice as much as it was to
like make the family happy, so like a lot of
their friends invited rather than like things like that.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
But it was great. It was a beautiful wedding. We
eloped that smart. We didn't tell anyone. We went to Kwai.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
So if I were doing it over again, I think
I would either do like something like that where we
would elope, or it would be a much smaller wedding
where it's like it's destination twenty people are invited, come
or don't, and like that's it.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
My issue was that it became so much more about
everyone who was invited exactly us.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, and it goes by like that to where it's
like you don't even know why you're doing.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
This and it's so expensive, so expense.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Like looking back at how much quoting I mean, how
much was yours?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Oh should I not ask? I don't remember exact amount.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
My dad fortunately helped out quite a bit, but it
was definitely like up there, I mean it was it
was under six fig years, but it was up there.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Mine was three hundred dollars. See.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I am way more on board with that.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
But we had the awkwardness of the night before going
for a walk and me being like, I'm not sure
I want to marry you, but I don't have anyone
else else to.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Talk to you.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
What like, you know, I got cold feet. Oh see
I didn't have cold feet.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I had total cold And I was like, Wes that,
since there's nobody else here and I'm not going to
talk to a waiter, I'm just going to tell you
I don't know if I want to marry you anymore.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And he was like, well, I feel the same way.
We can just get divorced. Oh that's fair. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
And so we got married and then it's been like
fifteen years or something. I still really like him. I mean,
I think that's great. You could always do a post
up if you need. Yeah, who cares. Sometimes it just
works out. Yeah, And like you said.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
There's always divorce. There's always divorced, Always divorced. Don't murder somebody,
just divorce them.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
We're going to take a quick break and we'll be
right back.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I had a really good question for you. Okay, hit
me mary, fuck kill? Who would you marry? Fuck or kill? Okay? Fuck? Okay,
here are your options? Okay. Drew Peterson okay. Chris Watts okay.
Jody Arias Okay.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
First of all, I am beyond Annoyd right now, kill kill, kill,
let me think.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Jody Arius killed her boyfriend, stabbed him twenty seven times
his head was kind of hanging off, and then shot.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Him in the head, took pictures of him, and.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Then chuckedcidentally accidentally, and then chucked it in the washer.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Chris Watts murdered his two young children and his wife
and stuffed their bodies in was it an oil tank?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
And what I heard from you was that it was
an eight inch opening, that he had the stuff with
the kids he.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Buried in the shallow grave, and then he stuffed his
two daughters in an eight inch diameter opening of.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
An oil Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
So one of the most gruesome crimes I've ever Hedanan
was pregnant and Shenan was pregnant, So three children.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Andrew Peterson was not successful with winning a date with Drew,
one of our most notorious narcissistic killers killing his wives.
One is still missing, uh and just absolutely in love
with himself. Loves and a police officer.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Very can't let me think.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
There's no way in how I could ever fucked her Peterson,
So it's got to be something else. And I don't
want to marry him because he kills all his wives,
So let's put him on.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
The kill list.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Okay, although I would like to kill Chris Watts because
of what he did, but okay, we're let's think. Uh,
Jody Arius, I'd marry her because I feel like she
would like paint me some nice pictures, sing me some songs,
like she would take care of me, she'd cook for me,
I just would never betray her because then she would
kill me.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So i'd marry her, and you.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I mean, you'd watch her knives because she stabbed him
twenty seven times and then decapitated him.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
And showed him in She wouldn't be allowed in the
kitchen or the laundry room or the bathroom, yeah, anywhere.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Okay, Well, she's life in prison. Actually that'd be a
good marriage because she's.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Like, oh yeah, okay, okay, But then that leaves me
fucking Chris Watson.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I don't know how I feel about that too.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
So you'd rather I killed Drew Peterson over Chris Watts,
because I just because I can't ever imagine having sex
with Drew Peterson. Not that I can imagine having sex
with Chris Watts, but like, I don't know. I like,
if I could kill Chris Watts, I think i'd take
one to the team and do Drew.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
That's a good way of looking at it.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yeah, okay, I'm gonna read you my answer, Okay, And
then I would marry Drew Peterson because he's in prison
for the rest of his life anyway, so I never
have to see his face. And I would just fuck
Jodi Arius and her little girl on girl action.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
That's fine, okay, yeah, I mean something exciting. I'm sure
she gets what are they called those visits conjugal conjugals. Yeah,
that's great.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
She's probably got the worst question because now I want
to change my answers like four different times.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
So could we never play that game again? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Okay, I want to hear like funny stories about the
kids that the kids.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, well okay, well maybe like about flying with the kids. Well,
I refuse to fly with my children now I've done it,
and I will never make that mistake again. Absolutely not.
My son is finally a normal human being. But my daughter,
we literally gave her the nickname baby Dinosaur because she
is just chaotic. I will never fly with them. It's horrible,
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it's excruciating.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Do you feel like if the nanny sits in the
back of the plane and you're in first class with
your husband that that's wrong?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Well, so when I flew, I didn't have a nanny
and I was a coach, so it want to be
when I grow up. But I feel like that would
be more pleasant, Yes.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I think so, right, but no, but I'm such.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
A crazy person that like, if the baby's crying in
the back, whether they're with the nanny, the grandparents, whoever
you're in that sit switch with, I would still like,
you know that like innate, like pit in your stomach.
You get towards like not that you feel like you're
called because you want to sue them, you want to
be a great mother, but you're like, I need to
get this kid to just like quite the fuck down,
and like that's I wouldn't be able to even relax,
even if I was even though I was on a
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private jet adjacent to them in the sky, I wouldn't
be able to relax. Yeah, so I now I just
don't do it. I love this dance, I just won't.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I won't.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
My son is finally like normal now, so he would
be fine. He's five, or he's gonna be five on Saturday,
so he'll be normal.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
But like Emmy, no way, it's too much.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
It's way too much, and she has gotten attitude on
her now.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
One of my last flights, my son shit his pants
and like full blowout, you know, but.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
He's too tall for the changing tables on the airplane.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Right because like to get down and dirty in it.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well, so I was trying to distract him until we landed,
so I give him a really big, like king sized
kick cab bar.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
So then he was covered in chocolate, so I cleaned up.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Why you would do that, I honestly don't know, because
that's all melt right.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I didn't really think it through because I was like
having a panic attack. Give him your phone. He didn't
want it.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
He wanted like he knew there was chocolate, So I
cleaned up all the chocolate. But by then, like the
airplane stunk like shit. Well, and I'm like, what's the difference,
you see shit and chocolate. It's all the sameactly.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
So he started throwing the wipes at people.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And they immediately were like, this is shit on me,
that's horrible. We had to go around and like get
the wipes and be like, I'm sorry, it's not shit.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
It's a kick cat bar, although it's music. Shit that
is hori. That was the last time I flew with them.
For What airline were you on? I'm just curious. I
think it was America, say Frontier. I'm just kidding. It's
way worse. I don't know that Doctor's fly spirit No
fair fair, Sorry.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
What's something just horrendous that they've done.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Let me think THEO is actually an angel. He's like
and I know every mom says that, but he is.
He's like the smartest little angel he does. He's five
years old. He's been doing division since he's three years old,
in multiplication. Like he's like literally a little genius. So
he's very well behaved. He's great. Emmy is not. We
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have nicknames for her. If she's being cute that day,
we call her Emmy Lou. If she's being a beast,
we call her Emmy Sue. And she's more times than
not Emmy Sue.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Well, you showed me that picture of her like gnawing
on a chicken nugget.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Oh, this girl she was got but tight like nobody's
business like. She looks like she is just yeah out
and belongs with like the hills have eyes people. But no,
she I mean, she's cute and sweet, but she's just
like a beast and chaotic. And both kids sleep in
bed with us. They refuse to sleep in their own beds.
We also have our dog who sleeps in our bed.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
And you know how it is. It's just chaos.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah, like you're never having an easy day. Yeah, yeah,
how do you unwind, wine took wine and reality TV. Yes, yeah,
what's your favorite wine?
Speaker 1 (26:56):
And show? What's the best combo? Anything? Not anything on Bravo.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
If I'm watching Bravo, it has to be like vander
Pump or right Now the Valley. But right now I'm
on a very big kick. Love Island is about to start.
So Love Island and I like that because it's like
new episodes every single day. So it's like, get my
red wine, get my trash food that I'm going to order,
and let me just like, don't talk to me, ignore me,
just pretend I'm deceased.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, vander Pump is very good. It's very good.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
It's kind of gotten boring the last two seasons, but
it's still very good.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I mean, Ariana, I think it's a rock star. But
also it's crazy how she has u.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Well, she's now the new host of Love Island.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yes, it's pretty amazing what has happened. I know she
came out of for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
So there's an actual scientific study that says that the
dumber the TV show, the better to calm down a
female brain. Great, because we have overactive brains. That makes
me feel way better.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
It used to be Dateline that I would watch down Wine,
but now I'm like, I'm living this all day long.
I need something else. So now it's trash TV.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
So Bravo is scientifically a healthy coping skill for a woman.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Can we get that printed on like a bumper stick? Thure?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Honestly, I'm the article.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I just feel like more people need to be aware
of that. Yes, I love that for me.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah. For what airline were you on? I'm just curious.
I think it was America. I was say Frontier. I'm
just kidding.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Okay, so you said you were watching true crime at fourteen?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, fourteen or fifteen?
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Okay, how do you feel about your kids? Like, how
how are you going to introduce them into this world
of crime?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I think the first way I'm going to be able
to introduce them is probably I would imagine when they're
maybe and I don't know, maybe this is not the
right age, but like ten years old, I would imagine
they're going to ask me like what do you do
for work, especially for like career day with your parents?
And I'm going to have to explain, like, okay, so
mommy tries to do this to try to help people
or try to raise awareness, and I think that will
probably be the initial point of like introducing them into
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that world before they start like seeing things on the
news or watching things on their own once they're much older.
But I think a big part of the reason too,
like which goes hand in hand with that of why
I do this, is because so many of these kids
weren't protected. They were either exploited, they were murdered, they
were abused by their parents. And as a mom, I
of course feel like all I want to do is
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protect my children. So if these children, who unfortunately are
victims in these cases, weren't even protected by their own families,
I feel like I can almost like by proxy, protect
them in a way by having their voices carry on,
their stories be told, hopefully educate other people on warning
signs to look for if children are being abused or exploited,
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and like protect them post mortem, if that makes sense.
And I don't think that I am necessarily doing that,
I think in my mind that's kind of the hope.
And I feel like, Okay, I want to protect my children.
I wish these children were protected. Here's how I can
by proxy, And I think that I try to do
that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
It's going to be hard, yes, right, I think about
it too, like how do you gauge the nuance of
too much information?
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Because yeah, I don't want to share with my kids
how evil the world is and like fear monger, but
I also definitely want them to be aware. And we
have our passwords for if somebody ever comes to the
school saying they're picking you up. I don't put any
sort of names or initials on their backpacks, their clothing
anything like that. I have other secret little techniques I
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use for how I would track them and do.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Things like that.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
So it's like I don't want to instill fear in them,
But I also it's not the same day and age
where when I was younger, I could go outside, ride
my bike all around the city until the street lights
come on, or go door to door at my neighbor's houses.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
You can't do that anymore.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
You can't even have sleepovers anymore without something happening and
the dad putting Roofi's in your friend's smoothie so that
he can touch them when you.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
All fall asleep, you know exactly, And.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Luckily that's not the standard and the norm, but it's
moving that direction, and so I don't know what that
conversation's going to look like yet.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
But I do feel like we can teach them a
lot about what we do while empowering them absolutely, And
I think that's it's going to be hard. So my
daughter is, my daughter's seven now, and she's asking, and
she's asking about death, what happens to your body? So
many questions, yeah, and trying to explain them because I
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don't know about you, Like I've never really known a
seven year old before.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
No, I haven't known nanny now.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
No, Like I don't know children like I had my
kids and I was like, you're gonna let me take
this home.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I know, all right, but I hope I'm doing a
good enough job.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I'm sure you're doing a great job. But it's horrible
learning as we go.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, Like, and how much how much do we share, yeah,
of the reality of this world without scaring the shit
out of them?
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I feel like, luckily there are a lot of books
out there, like not books for us, but like even
children's books that help them know what to look for
or what is a problem and identify such as like
a good touch, a bad touch, and things like that,
which you have to start talking about as young as
like five even now, which is horrifying, especially with what
goes on in the daycares and things like that. But
it's like you have to have these important conversations because
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you don't want to miss something and you don't want
them to feel like they can't come to you if
something feels wrong.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
So how does your awareness of all of these crimes
play into your protectiveness of the kids, And maybe in
comparison to the other moms, who are you know, tweedled
the and tweetled them.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
I don't know. I don't really know the answer to that.
I feel like I am hyper aware.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I'm not going to let them just go over to
strangers houses or do things like that. I mean, they
don't really, They're pretty much with me as it is,
and I've been very lucky so far.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Knock on wood.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
The two preschools that my kids have been in, they
know what I do for a living. So I don't
know if that would deter them from anything, but like
they're very well aware of what I do, and so
hopefully that is reflected in you know, decision making. But
I think there are great schools. We've added them very carefully.
But I am more aware. I am always looking around.
If my son, if we're in the bath and he
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like says something hurts, or if I see that there's
a mark, I don't overreact, but I'll ask a question
and say, like, hey, so, like, does anybody ever like
when you're going to the bathroom, does anybody ever like
come and.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Assist you or help you?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
And I just like try to ask little questions to
where he wouldn't feel like he couldn't tell me the
truth and he would say something, or if like he
says something that does raise a red flag for me,
I'll like probe a little further and ask more questions
just to get a little bit more clarity. And I've
reinforced with my oldest my son who's now gonna be five.
I always tell him like we have the words he's
not allowed to say, and like bad words, But I
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a will say, if you're telling mommy a story, if
you're telling me something that happened, you can always say
whatever words you want to say. And so like he'll
tell me ahead of time, me like, Mommy, I'm gonna
tell a story. Can I say a bad word? I'm
like sure, And so he'll like tell me like I
was here and this guy, this kid said he was
gonna kill me or like something like that because they
were just like playing on the playground. And he'll like
tell me because I told him kills a bad word,
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and so he'll tell me these things. And so I think,
just like, the more conversations we can have with them, yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
The open communication.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, and you you're not judgmental, no, right, so they
can come to you.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I mean I'm definitely judging in private, and I'm like, okay,
you're never fucking hanging out with that little kid again.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
But yes, I mean sometimes I tell my daughter a
little bit like stay clear of her, but okay, I
like that. So it's informing your experience, is informing your parenting,
but not fear mongering or scaring them. And there is
a level of empowerment and independence that you're building on them.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I'm trying because I believe the more information they have,
the better decisions they will be able to make. Yeah. Yeah,
even as they're tiny little humans. Oh but at five,
I mean they say they're impressionable. Yeah, and they retain information.
And my son is so smart and retains so much information.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
So it's like, I definitely need to be having those conversations, Now,
how do.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
You feel about them being old enough to see you
on YouTube?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
And it's kind of weird.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
He so he has all of the kids settings on
his tablet, so he only gets YouTube kids, which he
obviously then can't see my content. But there's been times
where we have YouTube on the smart TV in the
house and like, because it's in our feed or our
account that we're signed in, like mine will come up
as a suggested video, so we like, Mommy, look you're
on TV, and like, I don't think he quite understands
what that is yet. And then there's been a couple
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of times where he's come by the studio and he
just thinks it's fun. He'll like jump up, sit and
talk in the mic and like he just plays with it.
But he only watched kids watch his kids shows obviously,
so I don't know if he fully understands that yet.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Like when they're twenty years old and they're like, oh, well.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
By then they're gonna be like, okay, mom, YouTube's like archaic,
You're such a boomer, what like what were you doing?
They're gonna be like, my mom is a badass. Hopefully
we'll see I think so the chery's out.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
We'll see oops commercial time. I have a different game.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Great, okay, since we're talking about killing people, let's build
a crime scene. Okay, okay, I'm gonna say a sentence
and then you say one, and we'll go back and
forth until we finish our crime.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Oh we're building like the actual crime.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Okay, all right, knowing we aren't going to get caught, okay, okay,
so I'll start.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I did something bad. It was to my husband. He
wasn't expecting it, but the motherfucker was cheating. HM. I
used something surprising.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I found it in my kitchen.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
It was from Loew's.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
And it had a greater edge.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
It should have been in the yard. So I bashed
his head with it and he fell to the ground
and I literally smiled, and his last words were, I'm sorry,
I fucked up. You did so then, so then I
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had to do something.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I knew I needed to hide the body.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I had a plan. I was going to get away
with this.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I decided to hide the body at the house in
this very precise location.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
So I used one of those drill bits on the driveway.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
And no one noticed. I said I was doing a remodel.
It was really hard to get the body out into
the hole. But then I started mixing up the fresh pavement.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
And I realized I had to chop up the body
because I couldn't carry it. So then I put all
the pieces in the torn up driveway, covered it up
with the fresh pavement, And now I feel excited every
time I park my car in the driveway.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Oh, this is epic. We're gonna our husbands won't be
scared for life.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
They better be wandering eye. No thank you, no thank you.
I'll chop it right off. So if you could go.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Back and talk to fifteen year old Annie, what would
you say?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Just like, oh, like overall, what I would tell myself, Yeah,
like this just happened at seventeen, You're going to be
in a relationship with a fucking knew it.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah, And now you coming in as your adult self
and mom with all your experience, what would you tell
her as she's recovering from brain surgery.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I would say, don't worry about fitting in with crowds.
Don't worry about trying to like make friends and fit
in with people and impress them, and like you know,
throw your standards and values a way to try to
impress them or try to like make somebody like you
or want to be around you, like stay strong in
who you are. And I would also encourage myself to
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go to go a way to school to like broaden
my horizons, like meet new people, live dorm life, do
things like that. I really want that for my kids.
But yeah, it would mainly have like don't sacrifice your
own values, don't let people influence what your decisions are.
If something doesn't feel right, it probably is not right.
And the right person who actually cares about you isn't
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going to force you to do drugs, have sex, physically
hurt you, put you into other situations that you should
not be in because they don't care about Like I
would just try to really drive that idea home.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
I love that. Yeah. Thanks.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
If it doesn't feel right, it's not right, and no
one's going to put you. No good person should be
putting you in a situation now that is high risk
or uncomfortable or dangerous, or where.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
You're questioning yourself or do I need to do this
to make this person like me? Or if I say no,
what's going to happen? Absolutely not. There should never be
any sort of questioning like that.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Fuck the judgment. Fuck the judgment. Fuck the judgment doesn't matter. Yeah,
that's amazing. Thanks, I put that on a bumper sticker.
Fuck the judgment. But you have this beautiful thread of confidence,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I mean, stemming from understanding the true crime as a
kid to gaining mastery over this horrific accident and then
carrying through with shitty relationships and just being this powerhouse
of a woman.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
I definitely don't feel like I've come out on the
other end yet. I feel like I'm definitely still going
through stuff, but hopefully it's getting better and better as
we go.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
It is.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, Yeah, and you never I mean I personally, I
don't really know anybody who feels mastery in life.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
No, when the kids are this young.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
No, I feel like it's normal to kind of like
look back at the last few years and be like, oh,
I wish I would have done that differently, or I
wish I would have changed my opinion or mind about
something a lot sooner, and things like that. So you're
always learning. I think, Yeah, I really appreciate you doing this. Yeah,
it was my pleasure. I had fun talking with you.
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, I know you spend most of your life on
the other side.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
It's nice to be on the side for a change.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yes, and I find you to be so interesting. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
And I know you focus so much on other people
and other crimes and people are drawn to you. But
I hope it's helpful to them to now.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
See more of you.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Hopefully hopefully doesn't scare them away or hopefully cancel. Culture
isn't still a thing. I don't know, we'll see. I
think it really great.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
I think showing more of you will make your your
narrative for your podcasts and your show even stronger.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Great, I hope so hopefully they get to know me
a little bit better. Thank you for having me and
allowing me to share more of my life.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yes. Next up is drinking wine and walking kids. Amen. Okay,
I'm me strength, wine and sit yeah? Can we? Yeah?
Can we? And I get the babysitter. I thank you.
That's a plan actually bourbon? Okay, perfect? Even better?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Okay, thank you for tuning in to intentionally disturbing. I
had a wonderful time interviewing Annie. We covered so many
topics like true crime, parenting, our little rascals, and some
of the trauma that's happened in her life. And what
I love the most is that Annie is a badass
and it's a lesson for all of us to learn
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that no matter what happens in our life, whatever takes
us down, we can carry that thread of our bad
assy through life and we can be empowered strong people.
Thanks for listening to my comment coversation with Annie Elise.
I'll see you next time.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
H
Okay you're here.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome back to Intentionally Disturbing. This week, I get to
speak with Annie Elise. This is actually not a new interview,
but we recorded this as my first ever podcast episode.
We actually recorded it in order to use it to
pitch the show so that someone would pick it up,
and Annie was nice.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Enough to be my trial run.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
But it turned into one of my favorite episodes because
Annie is an extremely successful true crime podcaster. She was
actually in fashion and then decided that this was her
passion and she went for it.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
But what we discussed is.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Actually something extremely disturbing that happened to her.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
In her own life.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So as a professional woman, my plan going forward with
this podcast is to have more people like Annie on
the show. Annie is smart, professional, successful. She is a
take note, bullshit kind of woman like me. You'll be
seeing a lot more guests like this in the future.
I hope you enjoy this blast from the Past episode
(01:18):
for the first time on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Okay you're here.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
My name is doctor Leslie. I'm a forensic psychologist and
I have spent over twenty years working with psychopaths, serial killers, pedophiles,
you name it, and what that has done to me
has given me a low barometer for bullshit. So when
I interview somebody, I want to get straight to it.
I want to hear their quirks, their darkness, and their
(01:48):
disturbing thoughts. This podcast is called Intentionally Disturbing, and I'm
really excited to introduce our guest, Annie Elise. Annie has
a YouTube called ten to Life and a podcast which
I'm going to struggle saying, seriously, everybody, cereal lessly ceiallessly yes,
where Annie talks about murder, true crime and absolutely horrible, dark,
(02:14):
dark things. So what I'm really excited about is that
Annie's never been interviewed before about her life, not these
stories or these cases, and so I'm hoping what we
can do in this conversation is show a part of
you that no one has seen, but also that deep
dark side I know that's hiding in there. Great, can't wait.
(02:34):
I guess let's start with like, how you came to California.
I don't even know how you got here?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Who are you? Where are you from? So because you
reached out on Instagram? Right?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
And then I got to do your show, yeah, and
then I just adore you. And then we go to
crime con I know, So, how did you get to California? Well,
I was born in California, Okay. So I was born
in California in nineteen eighty seven in New Poor Beach.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Oh my god, I'm so old.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
No. I was born and raised in Orange County, and
then I moved to New York in twenty fifteen because
I was in the fashion industry.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
What were you doing? Trend forecasting? Okay?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
So I worked with like all the buyers for different
department stores, different boutiques, things like that, and I would
basically research and tell them what the trends were going
to be in two or three years from now, and
then they would know how to buy their assortment for
the masses. So, like, everything you see in Nordstrum or
whatever right now is something we would have worked on
two years ago with the buying team.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I feel so manipulated.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
It is so manipulative, And now I don't even enjoy
shopping because it's like it was work.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I just whatever pops up on the front page of
Nords Drum, I just buy.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
That's because you are what we like to call an
easy target, Like you are easily influenced. I love people
like you. No, so that's what I did for gosh.
I was in the fashion industry for fifteen years about
oh my gosh. So that's why I moved to New York.
And then I was doing that in New York, and
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and then COVID hit. Everything was obviously put on pause.
So then I just had a lot of time at
the house. We needed more space. We were living on
top of each other during COVID because you're not going
to the office, You're just in a tiny New York
apartment in Brooklyn. And then so we decided to move
back to California. So then I moved back in end
of twenty twenty one, end of twenty twenty And then,
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of course you focus your life on murder. Yeah, that's
still in New York.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Oh it did. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
But can I ask you, is is BTK your favorite killer.
I don't have a favorite killer because he made clothing, No, No,
out of pop I am fascinated with him for definitely
other reasons, not that.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
No, he made furniture too, yeah, yeah, no, but I am.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Fascinated with him. No, I don't think I have a favorite.
The person that got me into true crime, i'd says
Casey Anthony. I've always been fascinated with true crime since
I was younger, and like, I've watched Dateline sixty Minutes,
all the things. But I remember vividly still exactly where
I was when that verdict was read. I was like
on a vacation, sitting in front of the tube TV,
like old school TV, watching it all go down, and
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I remember just feeling like this deep rooted feeling of
rage and just like unjust, and I remember that's just
been the case that all was stuck with me. And
then when I started getting into true crime years and
years and years later, I would say that was probably
one of the cases that was like what spearheaded me,
being like, there's a lot of cases that feel like
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they weren't handled properly or that need more awareness, so
I'm going.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
To start talking about them. So that's what I did.
I just started going on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
It's like strictly a hobby, never any intention to monetize anything,
to do anything as a career, nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I didn't even know that there were.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
True crime creators out there at the time, so I
just started talking about these cases, and within a couple weeks,
it was like over two hundred and fifty thousand followers.
They were asking for like longer case deep dives. They
wanted to know more information. So I was like, okay, well,
where can I upload longer cases? My mind, I go
to YouTube because I'm old, and I'm like, that's where
I watch music videos and like Britney Scares videos from
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the nineties and all of these things Brittany and for Brittany.
So yeah, so I started doing like ten minute case
three caps, uploading them to YouTube. Hence the channel named
ten to life. It was like a play on a sentence,
but ten minutes that kind of just started spiraling. People
wanted longer deep dives. Factories open back up. I was
juggling the full time job still doing all of that,
and then did that for about two years and then
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it just kind of skyrocketed, and so September twenty twenty two,
I quit and I decided to pursue content full time.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
You took a huge risk for me.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I had this senior executive position in this company which
I cannot name, but like a very well known, established
billion dollar company, and had the benefits, had the great salary,
all of these things. So then to walk away from
that and go into this space that not only is unknown,
but also could go away at any given moment. It
was definitely scary, especially with two kids at that point.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yes, so what was the driving force?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I just really had a passion for it, honestly, and
that sounds so cliche and lame, but I felt like
what I was doing was impacting a lot of people.
At that point, I was having a lot of victims'
families reach out to me, thanking me for the awareness,
for the coverage for things like that, wanting their case
heard because nobody was covering it. And I just felt
like this tug in me that that's what I wanted
to be doing. It's something I've been fascinated with my
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whole life and been interested in. And so it didn't
you like the right decision?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
You listened to yourself. I did.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Okay, So I want to ask you about the car
accident that you had talked about, okay, because I find
this really interesting. I want to hear more about it, because, yeah,
I had very life threatening surgeries when I was about twenty,
and I signed away my organs.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Oh my god. My parents were like, we said goodbye.
Wait what, Yeah, what was the surgery for? What?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I had a nicked bowel from assist and it was
all these errors. I had it in London, and then
I had it in California because it grew back.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
It was like tumor. I was in a coma and
I had a class to me for a while. Holy shit,
And I.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Was so septic.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
They had all the medical students holding my organs trying
to figure out where the perforations were.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And you twenty, I was twenty. Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
And then I went back to school with staples in
my stomach to Colorado. But you know this, like you
know the feeling of literally life or death, like understanding
the pain of the tragedy and the fucking trauma.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Well, now as a parent, I'm sure you can relate.
Like looking back, you think of like what your parents
were experiencing in those moments, like seeing their kid go
through that and it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So I was sixteen, fifteen, about to turn sixteen. Yeah,
because then I turned sixteen, I couldn't get my license
because of all the seizures. But I was at my
friend's house and we were she had driving school that day,
so her older sister was like, hey, Annie, come with us.
We'll drop her off at like drivers at or whatever
it is. We'll go get breakfast and then we'll pick
her up and you guys can like have the day.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I was like cool.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
It was like nine in the morning, and so I
don't know why I did this, Like I was young,
I was stupid, but like I was still tired that morning.
I think we went out the night before, and so
I was like laying down in the back seat of
the car and didn't have my seat belt on, and
I was like, oh, just like wake me up when
we get there. I'll come to the front seat and
then we'll go get breakfast or get pancakes. Ashley the driver,
there was like a turn in the road and she
didn't have her seatbelt on, so she was turning to
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go put her seat belt on, and then as the
turn was going of hitting the brake, she hit the
gas and so she jumped the curb, hit a light pole.
The light pulb came down on us. I was in
the back seat, I could sit down windshield and went
into the front and what kind of the ambulances came
because the car was so crushed by the lighthole, they
brought body bags out. Thinking that it was going to
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be fatalities all the way around, which we all survived.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Thank god. I blacked out.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I don't really remember anything. The first thing I remember
is being pulled from the dashboard to the back seat
by a paramedic. I'm assuming it was a paramedic, and
they were like cutting my clothing off in the back seat.
I remember, I like my mouth was full of sun thing.
I had knocked out my teeth and not all of them,
but like two of them on the bottom. So they
rush us to the hospital. They're asking me all these questions,
(10:07):
and the ambulance of like where do you live? We
want to contact your parents. Now was before cell phones
really anything like that, so it took them a very
long time to what felt like forever to find my
mom and get in touch with her. She of course,
then rushes to the emergency room. They show me a mirror,
which was like the scariest thing I've ever seen because
I was so swollen, I was bruised. I was like
(10:27):
black and blue, missing teeth, like horrible. But we still
didn't know that anything was like wrong internally at that point.
So they end up taking me home. I like am
recovering and I go for a follow up appointment with
my pediatrician because I still at a pediatrician.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
At the time. Yeah, and sixteen fifteen fifteen, Oh my god.
So she's like just.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Doing these like normal tests like look up, look down,
and I start sniffling a lot, and she's like, she's like,
have you been sniffling a lot? I was like, I
think I have a cold. Like at this point it
had been like a week and a half or something.
Something must have raised alarm bells with her, which I
don't even know how, but she's like, I want you
to go to Chalk Hospital right now, and I want
you to get this fluid that's coming out of your
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nose tested.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
It was cerebral yeo, holy shits. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
And so I go to Chalk that night. Again, I
don't really understand the severity of it. My mom is
and she's I think, trying to calm me down and
like not tell me how serious it is. So we
go into the emergency room and they put these like
cotton pledgets all the way up like through my nose
into like my forehead almost to where them like they're
attached to threads, and they like taped the threads on
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the side of my face, so I looked like I
had like whiskers, It's like, but they had to like
put those in there because then they gave me a
spinal tap and in that had like a colored dye.
And basically the thought process was and again I don't
know the medical term, but once they removed those the
following day or two days later, if there was die
on the pledge its, then I had openings and that's
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how the fluid was escaping.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
So they remove them.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
It tests positive for that. And so that was on
a Friday, and they said that Monday I had.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
To have emergency brain surgery, and.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
So I went into Saint Joe's and chalk that Monday.
Shaved the head, not the whole head, but about here,
shaved my head, opened me from ear to ear, pulled
everything down with my face patched all of this, pulled
me back up, sewed me, and stapled me shut and
going to high school with a half shaved head with
like went back to school, I will after it took
(12:26):
me quite a while to recover from the surgery itself,
but then eventually I had to go back because I
had to complete my ear and that's when I turned sixteen,
I couldn't get my driver's license because I had had
seizures in the hospital and I had that was now
on medication for that. I was on dilantin, and so
they're like, you can't get your driver's license. So I
had to wait for that. But when I went back
to school, it was like my head was half shaved.
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I had like this gnarly aid decision that was like
horrifying to look at. And the people at the school,
the administration, said you can't. You have to cover that
because it's distracting. And like so I'd wear like bandanas
and bean and it was like springtime, summertime in California,
and like I remember one day being in class and
like my head was itching because of like the beanie.
My hair grew up trying to grow back all these things.
(13:09):
I was like, fuck it, and I like just ripped
it off and then I got in trouble and got
up to the office. Yeah, and I'm like you motherfuckers, like,
but yeah, it was it was rough. Okay, holy shit,
that was a long story.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Sorry, no, but I can recognize it because when people
ask for my story about the cost to me, I
can just tell it.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, and they feel the impact. I don't feel the
impact anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But I'm always wondering, like where did the impact go,
because it's somewhere in I.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I don't know, it's probably somewhere compartmentalized with the rest
of my shit. Or I think I'm just like numb
like everywhere. I don't know, Like I don't know, you're
not now, I don't know. Well, I guess not. I
cried on stage right.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, I find you to be very poised. Thank you
and professional. I like that word. Let's go with that.
Thank you and graceful, thank you. I love all of that.
I just keep talking.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I mean, I think it's amazing though, because what you
talk about is like heavy, heavy stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Maybe that's my outlet talking about other people's lives like these,
like not like the victims, but like the perpetrators, and
like how awful they are, and maybe that makes.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Me feel better. I don't know, I can see that.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Maybe I'm just I just made it up, so I
don't know if it's true or not.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I can see that, Okay, I probably do that too,
like living the emotions out in other people's stories.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah, I know, I don't know. Okay, do you ever
have any dark or disturbing thoughts? Yeah, all the time.
Oh my God, tell me some Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I mean, I just I had like a really rough
couple relationships when I was younger, my first experience with anything.
I lost my virginity when I was seventeen to a
twenty seven year old, and I thought it was totally normal.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Now I realize it was not normal. These are like
the legal legal cases I take on.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah, yeah, my dad, we found out he wanted to
call the police, and I like of course begged him.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I'm like, please don't, please don't, please don't.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Then I like romanticized the idea of like, oh, I'll
end up with the guy lost my virginity too. So
then like years later, when I was twenty three, we
like rekindled something, and I realized again how toxic that
was because he wanted ultimate control over me. He didn't
even want me working.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
It was just like, Okay, how did he get to
you when you were seventeen?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I was in cosmetology school and so was he, which, hello,
that should have been likely. I read flog number one. Yeah, like,
and he like introduced me to drugs and when I
was seventeen, like drinking all of these things, kind of drugs, coke,
and like I didn't do it all the time, but
like enough with him to wear it just became a
bad dynamic. Like it was just a very unhealthy relationship.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And so a twenty seven year old is giving coke
to a seventeen year old taking your virginity. Man, he was,
he was manipulating you.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, it's very bad. Fuck. So how did it end? Well?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
He was like sex with everybody else at the time too,
and like I was just like an idiot, and like obviously,
like he's gaslighting me. I hate eat that word, but
that's really what was happening. Yeah, And I forget how
it ended. I think it just kind of fizzled out
after a while. And then I jumped into another relationship
which was not only equally unhealthy, probably worse. And he
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was I was a little bit older at this point.
I was nineteen. He was twenty six, still a little
too old in my opinion to be with a nineteen
year old, but I was an adult. But he was
like a whole.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Different level of toxic and abusive and not good.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
And I just kind of had this pattern of going
to like unhealthy relationship on a healthy relationship, and then
finally I started to just like move away from that.
And I think that's probably a reason why I talk
about a lot of the things I talk about too,
because I feel like if I could tell my younger
self a lot of things and like things to look
out for, I wish I could, you know, I wonder
(16:58):
if it is linked to the accident and the trauma.
Maybe maybe it's like a healing because it's mechanism.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So quick, so quick after, Like I wonder, I'm curious
about the link.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I definitely think it could have stemmed from that in
my mind, and I don't know clinically like how all
of that works. You would know better than me. I
feel like my interest in true crime may have stemmed
from that, But I also think, like my passion for
it and my reason for talking about cases, some of
the cases I should say that I do is more
of like my past relationship history that has affected me,
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and that I wish like I could talk to myself
that version of myself, or like educate and warn other people,
and not that that not that I was ever murdered
or like attempted to be killed, not quite but like,
I don't know, I just feel like awareness in general
about sensitive topics like that is why I'm drawn to
true crime, if that makes sense. If there's like a
link there, maybe Yeah, and then he marry someone younger, younger,
(17:57):
Which how did that happen? I know I've always dated older,
either healthy or not, but older and married somebody younger.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, when did you get married? Twenty seventeen? Okay, did
you have like a big wedding? It was pretty big.
There were like two hundred people.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
It was in like the San Diego area, and we
were the first ones in our families to get married,
so a lot of it I think, like a lot
of the stuff that was involved wasn't for us or
like by our choice as much as it was to
like make the family happy, so like a lot of
their friends invited rather than like things like that.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
But it was great. It was a beautiful wedding. We
eloped that smart. We didn't tell anyone. We went to Kwai.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
So if I were doing it over again, I think
I would either do like something like that where we
would elope, or it would be a much smaller wedding
where it's like it's destination twenty people are invited, come
or don't, and like that's it.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
My issue was that it became so much more about
everyone who was invited exactly us.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, and it goes by like that to where it's
like you don't even know why you're doing.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
This and it's so expensive, so expense.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Like looking back at how much quoting I mean, how
much was yours?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Oh should I not ask? I don't remember exact amount.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
My dad fortunately helped out quite a bit, but it
was definitely like up there, I mean it was it
was under six fig years, but it was up there.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Mine was three hundred dollars. See.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I am way more on board with that.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
But we had the awkwardness of the night before going
for a walk and me being like, I'm not sure
I want to marry you, but I don't have anyone
else else to.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Talk to you.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
What like, you know, I got cold feet. Oh see
I didn't have cold feet.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I had total cold And I was like, Wes that,
since there's nobody else here and I'm not going to
talk to a waiter, I'm just going to tell you
I don't know if I want to marry you anymore.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And he was like, well, I feel the same way.
We can just get divorced. Oh that's fair. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
And so we got married and then it's been like
fifteen years or something. I still really like him. I mean,
I think that's great. You could always do a post
up if you need. Yeah, who cares. Sometimes it just
works out. Yeah, And like you said.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
There's always divorce. There's always divorced, Always divorced. Don't murder somebody,
just divorce them.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
We're going to take a quick break and we'll be
right back.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I had a really good question for you. Okay, hit
me mary, fuck kill? Who would you marry? Fuck or kill? Okay? Fuck? Okay,
here are your options? Okay. Drew Peterson okay. Chris Watts okay.
Jody Arias Okay.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
First of all, I am beyond Annoyd right now, kill kill, kill,
let me think.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Jody Arius killed her boyfriend, stabbed him twenty seven times
his head was kind of hanging off, and then shot.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Him in the head, took pictures of him, and.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Then chuckedcidentally accidentally, and then chucked it in the washer.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Chris Watts murdered his two young children and his wife
and stuffed their bodies in was it an oil tank?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
And what I heard from you was that it was
an eight inch opening, that he had the stuff with
the kids he.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Buried in the shallow grave, and then he stuffed his
two daughters in an eight inch diameter opening of.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
An oil Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
So one of the most gruesome crimes I've ever Hedanan
was pregnant and Shenan was pregnant, So three children.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Andrew Peterson was not successful with winning a date with Drew,
one of our most notorious narcissistic killers killing his wives.
One is still missing, uh and just absolutely in love
with himself. Loves and a police officer.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Very can't let me think.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
There's no way in how I could ever fucked her Peterson,
So it's got to be something else. And I don't
want to marry him because he kills all his wives,
So let's put him on.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
The kill list.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Okay, although I would like to kill Chris Watts because
of what he did, but okay, we're let's think. Uh,
Jody Arius, I'd marry her because I feel like she
would like paint me some nice pictures, sing me some songs,
like she would take care of me, she'd cook for me,
I just would never betray her because then she would
kill me.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So i'd marry her, and you.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I mean, you'd watch her knives because she stabbed him
twenty seven times and then decapitated him.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
And showed him in She wouldn't be allowed in the
kitchen or the laundry room or the bathroom, yeah, anywhere.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Okay, Well, she's life in prison. Actually that'd be a
good marriage because she's.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Like, oh yeah, okay, okay, But then that leaves me
fucking Chris Watson.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I don't know how I feel about that too.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
So you'd rather I killed Drew Peterson over Chris Watts,
because I just because I can't ever imagine having sex
with Drew Peterson. Not that I can imagine having sex
with Chris Watts, but like, I don't know. I like,
if I could kill Chris Watts, I think i'd take
one to the team and do Drew.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
That's a good way of looking at it.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yeah, okay, I'm gonna read you my answer, Okay, And
then I would marry Drew Peterson because he's in prison
for the rest of his life anyway, so I never
have to see his face. And I would just fuck
Jodi Arius and her little girl on girl action.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
That's fine, okay, yeah, I mean something exciting. I'm sure
she gets what are they called those visits conjugal conjugals. Yeah,
that's great.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
She's probably got the worst question because now I want
to change my answers like four different times.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
So could we never play that game again? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Okay, I want to hear like funny stories about the
kids that the kids.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, well okay, well maybe like about flying with the kids. Well,
I refuse to fly with my children now I've done it,
and I will never make that mistake again. Absolutely not.
My son is finally a normal human being. But my daughter,
we literally gave her the nickname baby Dinosaur because she
is just chaotic. I will never fly with them. It's horrible,
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it's excruciating.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Do you feel like if the nanny sits in the
back of the plane and you're in first class with
your husband that that's wrong?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Well, so when I flew, I didn't have a nanny
and I was a coach, so it want to be
when I grow up. But I feel like that would
be more pleasant, Yes.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I think so, right, but no, but I'm such.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
A crazy person that like, if the baby's crying in
the back, whether they're with the nanny, the grandparents, whoever
you're in that sit switch with, I would still like,
you know that like innate, like pit in your stomach.
You get towards like not that you feel like you're
called because you want to sue them, you want to
be a great mother, but you're like, I need to
get this kid to just like quite the fuck down,
and like that's I wouldn't be able to even relax,
even if I was even though I was on a
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private jet adjacent to them in the sky, I wouldn't
be able to relax. Yeah, so I now I just
don't do it. I love this dance, I just won't.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I won't.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
My son is finally like normal now, so he would
be fine. He's five, or he's gonna be five on Saturday,
so he'll be normal.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
But like Emmy, no way, it's too much.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
It's way too much, and she has gotten attitude on
her now.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
One of my last flights, my son shit his pants
and like full blowout, you know, but.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
He's too tall for the changing tables on the airplane.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Right because like to get down and dirty in it.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well, so I was trying to distract him until we landed,
so I give him a really big, like king sized
kick cab bar.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
So then he was covered in chocolate, so I cleaned up.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Why you would do that, I honestly don't know, because
that's all melt right.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I didn't really think it through because I was like
having a panic attack. Give him your phone. He didn't
want it.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
He wanted like he knew there was chocolate, So I
cleaned up all the chocolate. But by then, like the
airplane stunk like shit. Well, and I'm like, what's the difference,
you see shit and chocolate. It's all the sameactly.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
So he started throwing the wipes at people.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And they immediately were like, this is shit on me,
that's horrible. We had to go around and like get
the wipes and be like, I'm sorry, it's not shit.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
It's a kick cat bar, although it's music. Shit that
is hori. That was the last time I flew with them.
For What airline were you on? I'm just curious. I
think it was America, say Frontier. I'm just kidding. It's
way worse. I don't know that Doctor's fly spirit No
fair fair, Sorry.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
What's something just horrendous that they've done.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Let me think THEO is actually an angel. He's like
and I know every mom says that, but he is.
He's like the smartest little angel he does. He's five
years old. He's been doing division since he's three years old,
in multiplication. Like he's like literally a little genius. So
he's very well behaved. He's great. Emmy is not. We
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have nicknames for her. If she's being cute that day,
we call her Emmy Lou. If she's being a beast,
we call her Emmy Sue. And she's more times than
not Emmy Sue.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Well, you showed me that picture of her like gnawing
on a chicken nugget.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Oh, this girl she was got but tight like nobody's
business like. She looks like she is just yeah out
and belongs with like the hills have eyes people. But no,
she I mean, she's cute and sweet, but she's just
like a beast and chaotic. And both kids sleep in
bed with us. They refuse to sleep in their own beds.
We also have our dog who sleeps in our bed.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
And you know how it is. It's just chaos.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah, like you're never having an easy day. Yeah, yeah,
how do you unwind, wine took wine and reality TV. Yes, yeah,
what's your favorite wine?
Speaker 1 (26:56):
And show? What's the best combo? Anything? Not anything on Bravo.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
If I'm watching Bravo, it has to be like vander
Pump or right Now the Valley. But right now I'm
on a very big kick. Love Island is about to start.
So Love Island and I like that because it's like
new episodes every single day. So it's like, get my
red wine, get my trash food that I'm going to order,
and let me just like, don't talk to me, ignore me,
just pretend I'm deceased.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, vander Pump is very good. It's very good.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
It's kind of gotten boring the last two seasons, but
it's still very good.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I mean, Ariana, I think it's a rock star. But
also it's crazy how she has u.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Well, she's now the new host of Love Island.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yes, it's pretty amazing what has happened. I know she
came out of for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
So there's an actual scientific study that says that the
dumber the TV show, the better to calm down a
female brain. Great, because we have overactive brains. That makes
me feel way better.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
It used to be Dateline that I would watch down Wine,
but now I'm like, I'm living this all day long.
I need something else. So now it's trash TV.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
So Bravo is scientifically a healthy coping skill for a woman.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Can we get that printed on like a bumper stick? Thure?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Honestly, I'm the article.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I just feel like more people need to be aware
of that. Yes, I love that for me.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah. For what airline were you on? I'm just curious.
I think it was America. I was say Frontier. I'm
just kidding.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Okay, so you said you were watching true crime at fourteen?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, fourteen or fifteen?
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Okay, how do you feel about your kids? Like, how
how are you going to introduce them into this world
of crime?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I think the first way I'm going to be able
to introduce them is probably I would imagine when they're
maybe and I don't know, maybe this is not the
right age, but like ten years old, I would imagine
they're going to ask me like what do you do
for work, especially for like career day with your parents?
And I'm going to have to explain, like, okay, so
mommy tries to do this to try to help people
or try to raise awareness, and I think that will
probably be the initial point of like introducing them into
(28:50):
that world before they start like seeing things on the
news or watching things on their own once they're much older.
But I think a big part of the reason too,
like which goes hand in hand with that of why
I do this, is because so many of these kids
weren't protected. They were either exploited, they were murdered, they
were abused by their parents. And as a mom, I
of course feel like all I want to do is
(29:10):
protect my children. So if these children, who unfortunately are
victims in these cases, weren't even protected by their own families,
I feel like I can almost like by proxy, protect
them in a way by having their voices carry on,
their stories be told, hopefully educate other people on warning
signs to look for if children are being abused or exploited,
(29:31):
and like protect them post mortem, if that makes sense.
And I don't think that I am necessarily doing that,
I think in my mind that's kind of the hope.
And I feel like, Okay, I want to protect my children.
I wish these children were protected. Here's how I can
by proxy, And I think that I try to do
that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
It's going to be hard, yes, right, I think about
it too, like how do you gauge the nuance of
too much information?
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Because yeah, I don't want to share with my kids
how evil the world is and like fear monger, but
I also definitely want them to be aware. And we
have our passwords for if somebody ever comes to the
school saying they're picking you up. I don't put any
sort of names or initials on their backpacks, their clothing
anything like that. I have other secret little techniques I
(30:20):
use for how I would track them and do.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Things like that.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
So it's like I don't want to instill fear in them,
But I also it's not the same day and age
where when I was younger, I could go outside, ride
my bike all around the city until the street lights
come on, or go door to door at my neighbor's houses.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
You can't do that anymore.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
You can't even have sleepovers anymore without something happening and
the dad putting Roofi's in your friend's smoothie so that
he can touch them when you.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
All fall asleep, you know exactly, And.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Luckily that's not the standard and the norm, but it's
moving that direction, and so I don't know what that
conversation's going to look like yet.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
But I do feel like we can teach them a
lot about what we do while empowering them absolutely, And
I think that's it's going to be hard. So my
daughter is, my daughter's seven now, and she's asking, and
she's asking about death, what happens to your body? So
many questions, yeah, and trying to explain them because I
(31:18):
don't know about you, Like I've never really known a
seven year old before.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
No, I haven't known nanny now.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
No, Like I don't know children like I had my
kids and I was like, you're gonna let me take
this home.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I know, all right, but I hope I'm doing a
good enough job.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I'm sure you're doing a great job. But it's horrible
learning as we go.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, Like, and how much how much do we share, yeah,
of the reality of this world without scaring the shit
out of them?
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I feel like, luckily there are a lot of books
out there, like not books for us, but like even
children's books that help them know what to look for
or what is a problem and identify such as like
a good touch, a bad touch, and things like that,
which you have to start talking about as young as
like five even now, which is horrifying, especially with what
goes on in the daycares and things like that. But
it's like you have to have these important conversations because
(32:09):
you don't want to miss something and you don't want
them to feel like they can't come to you if
something feels wrong.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
So how does your awareness of all of these crimes
play into your protectiveness of the kids, And maybe in
comparison to the other moms, who are you know, tweedled
the and tweetled them.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
I don't know. I don't really know the answer to that.
I feel like I am hyper aware.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I'm not going to let them just go over to
strangers houses or do things like that. I mean, they
don't really, They're pretty much with me as it is,
and I've been very lucky so far.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Knock on wood.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
The two preschools that my kids have been in, they
know what I do for a living. So I don't
know if that would deter them from anything, but like
they're very well aware of what I do, and so
hopefully that is reflected in you know, decision making. But
I think there are great schools. We've added them very carefully.
But I am more aware. I am always looking around.
If my son, if we're in the bath and he
(33:01):
like says something hurts, or if I see that there's
a mark, I don't overreact, but I'll ask a question
and say, like, hey, so, like, does anybody ever like
when you're going to the bathroom, does anybody ever like
come and.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Assist you or help you?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
And I just like try to ask little questions to
where he wouldn't feel like he couldn't tell me the
truth and he would say something, or if like he
says something that does raise a red flag for me,
I'll like probe a little further and ask more questions
just to get a little bit more clarity. And I've
reinforced with my oldest my son who's now gonna be five.
I always tell him like we have the words he's
not allowed to say, and like bad words, But I
(33:33):
a will say, if you're telling mommy a story, if
you're telling me something that happened, you can always say
whatever words you want to say. And so like he'll
tell me ahead of time, me like, Mommy, I'm gonna
tell a story. Can I say a bad word? I'm
like sure, And so he'll like tell me like I
was here and this guy, this kid said he was
gonna kill me or like something like that because they
were just like playing on the playground. And he'll like
tell me because I told him kills a bad word,
(33:55):
and so he'll tell me these things. And so I think,
just like, the more conversations we can have with them, yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
The open communication.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, and you you're not judgmental, no, right, so they
can come to you.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I mean I'm definitely judging in private, and I'm like, okay,
you're never fucking hanging out with that little kid again.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
But yes, I mean sometimes I tell my daughter a
little bit like stay clear of her, but okay, I
like that. So it's informing your experience, is informing your parenting,
but not fear mongering or scaring them. And there is
a level of empowerment and independence that you're building on them.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I'm trying because I believe the more information they have,
the better decisions they will be able to make. Yeah. Yeah,
even as they're tiny little humans. Oh but at five,
I mean they say they're impressionable. Yeah, and they retain information.
And my son is so smart and retains so much information.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
So it's like, I definitely need to be having those conversations, Now,
how do.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
You feel about them being old enough to see you
on YouTube?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
And it's kind of weird.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
He so he has all of the kids settings on
his tablet, so he only gets YouTube kids, which he
obviously then can't see my content. But there's been times
where we have YouTube on the smart TV in the
house and like, because it's in our feed or our
account that we're signed in, like mine will come up
as a suggested video, so we like, Mommy, look you're
on TV, and like, I don't think he quite understands
what that is yet. And then there's been a couple
(35:17):
of times where he's come by the studio and he
just thinks it's fun. He'll like jump up, sit and
talk in the mic and like he just plays with it.
But he only watched kids watch his kids shows obviously,
so I don't know if he fully understands that yet.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Like when they're twenty years old and they're like, oh, well.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
By then they're gonna be like, okay, mom, YouTube's like archaic,
You're such a boomer, what like what were you doing?
They're gonna be like, my mom is a badass. Hopefully
we'll see I think so the chery's out.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
We'll see oops commercial time. I have a different game.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Great, okay, since we're talking about killing people, let's build
a crime scene. Okay, okay, I'm gonna say a sentence
and then you say one, and we'll go back and
forth until we finish our crime.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Oh we're building like the actual crime.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Okay, all right, knowing we aren't going to get caught, okay, okay,
so I'll start.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I did something bad. It was to my husband. He
wasn't expecting it, but the motherfucker was cheating. HM. I
used something surprising.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I found it in my kitchen.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
It was from Loew's.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
And it had a greater edge.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
It should have been in the yard. So I bashed
his head with it and he fell to the ground
and I literally smiled, and his last words were, I'm sorry,
I fucked up. You did so then, so then I
(37:08):
had to do something.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I knew I needed to hide the body.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I had a plan. I was going to get away
with this.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I decided to hide the body at the house in
this very precise location.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
So I used one of those drill bits on the driveway.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
And no one noticed. I said I was doing a remodel.
It was really hard to get the body out into
the hole. But then I started mixing up the fresh pavement.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
And I realized I had to chop up the body
because I couldn't carry it. So then I put all
the pieces in the torn up driveway, covered it up
with the fresh pavement, And now I feel excited every
time I park my car in the driveway.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Oh, this is epic. We're gonna our husbands won't be
scared for life.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
They better be wandering eye. No thank you, no thank you.
I'll chop it right off. So if you could go.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Back and talk to fifteen year old Annie, what would
you say?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Just like, oh, like overall, what I would tell myself, Yeah,
like this just happened at seventeen, You're going to be
in a relationship with a fucking knew it.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah, And now you coming in as your adult self
and mom with all your experience, what would you tell
her as she's recovering from brain surgery.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I would say, don't worry about fitting in with crowds.
Don't worry about trying to like make friends and fit
in with people and impress them, and like you know,
throw your standards and values a way to try to
impress them or try to like make somebody like you
or want to be around you, like stay strong in
who you are. And I would also encourage myself to
(39:12):
go to go a way to school to like broaden
my horizons, like meet new people, live dorm life, do
things like that. I really want that for my kids.
But yeah, it would mainly have like don't sacrifice your
own values, don't let people influence what your decisions are.
If something doesn't feel right, it probably is not right.
And the right person who actually cares about you isn't
(39:33):
going to force you to do drugs, have sex, physically
hurt you, put you into other situations that you should
not be in because they don't care about Like I
would just try to really drive that idea home.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
I love that. Yeah. Thanks.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
If it doesn't feel right, it's not right, and no
one's going to put you. No good person should be
putting you in a situation now that is high risk
or uncomfortable or dangerous, or where.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
You're questioning yourself or do I need to do this
to make this person like me? Or if I say no,
what's going to happen? Absolutely not. There should never be
any sort of questioning like that.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Fuck the judgment. Fuck the judgment. Fuck the judgment doesn't matter. Yeah,
that's amazing. Thanks, I put that on a bumper sticker.
Fuck the judgment. But you have this beautiful thread of confidence,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I mean, stemming from understanding the true crime as a
kid to gaining mastery over this horrific accident and then
carrying through with shitty relationships and just being this powerhouse
of a woman.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
I definitely don't feel like I've come out on the
other end yet. I feel like I'm definitely still going
through stuff, but hopefully it's getting better and better as
we go.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
It is.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, Yeah, and you never I mean I personally, I
don't really know anybody who feels mastery in life.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
No, when the kids are this young.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
No, I feel like it's normal to kind of like
look back at the last few years and be like, oh,
I wish I would have done that differently, or I
wish I would have changed my opinion or mind about
something a lot sooner, and things like that. So you're
always learning. I think, Yeah, I really appreciate you doing this. Yeah,
it was my pleasure. I had fun talking with you.
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, I know you spend most of your life on
the other side.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
It's nice to be on the side for a change.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yes, and I find you to be so interesting. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
And I know you focus so much on other people
and other crimes and people are drawn to you. But
I hope it's helpful to them to now.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
See more of you.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Hopefully hopefully doesn't scare them away or hopefully cancel. Culture
isn't still a thing. I don't know, we'll see. I
think it really great.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
I think showing more of you will make your your
narrative for your podcasts and your show even stronger.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Great, I hope so hopefully they get to know me
a little bit better. Thank you for having me and
allowing me to share more of my life.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yes. Next up is drinking wine and walking kids. Amen. Okay,
I'm me strength, wine and sit yeah? Can we? Yeah?
Can we? And I get the babysitter. I thank you.
That's a plan actually bourbon? Okay, perfect? Even better?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Okay, thank you for tuning in to intentionally disturbing. I
had a wonderful time interviewing Annie. We covered so many
topics like true crime, parenting, our little rascals, and some
of the trauma that's happened in her life. And what
I love the most is that Annie is a badass
and it's a lesson for all of us to learn
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that no matter what happens in our life, whatever takes
us down, we can carry that thread of our bad
assy through life and we can be empowered strong people.
Thanks for listening to my comment coversation with Annie Elise.
I'll see you next time.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
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