May 22, 2025 • 60 mins
This week, with the diddy trail in full swing, Leslie is sharing her interview with Big Homie, ex-bodyguard to Diddy. They talk about his life, the women who raised him, his morality, and much much more.
Hosted by Leslie Dobson. Produced and edited by Liam Billingham. Executive producers are Paul Anderson and Scott McCarthy for Workhouse Media. The views expressed in this podcast episode are solely those of the guest speaker and do not reflect the views of the host or the production company.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Away, you're here.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome back for another episode of Intentionally Disturbing with Doctor Leslie,
and today's guest is.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Big Homie CC.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Now we recorded this episode, I would say about a
year ago, way before the Diddy Trial started, and now
that we are in week two of the Diddy Trial,
Big Homies predictions have come true, which is fascinating to
me that the music industry holly weird. Everyone has really
(00:44):
watched a lot of abuse and horrible things. People were
complicit and no one stopped it after it went on
for years and years and years. So tune in, listen
up because Big Homie has some amazing advice and some
incredible insights, especially around drink spiking and the alcohol you're.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Getting in clubs.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I'm so happy to partner with Note because together we
made a hot Pink drink cover to prevent drink spiking,
and they have made the most incredible drink spiking drug
test kit. It tests over seventeen different common drugs and
those are some of the drugs you'll hear about from
Big Homie and we are seeing in the Ditty Trial.
(01:33):
This is amazing. Tune in.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I can't wait for you to listen.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Allay you're here. Thank you for sitting down and talking
to me.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
It's a pleasure. It's a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Okay, how can I address you?
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Big homie bh bh is good, Big Homi, Big homie
is good.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Big Homy.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Sure, okay, I'm really excited that you are taking the
time to talk to me.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
I'm excited as well. I'm excited. You can't highly recommended.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I may have got a threat to make sure I
didn't miss this, for sure.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
So you've you've spent your life protecting people.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Yeah, the last seventeen years, for sure, is but my
seventeen years.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah, seventeen years.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So my goal is to I want to hear your
story because I think that you are an incredible fucking
human being.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
And although some people may be calling you a snitch right.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Now, we got to tell the story of why you're
coming out and you are bringing justice.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And protection to a scene that's been crazy for a
long time, for sure.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
So first and foremost, yeah, let's just go ahead and
correct the narrative because we got a lot of keyboard
warriors who are now gangsters now, yeah, and they're determining
who's a snitch and who's not, and none of them
have ever done anything at all ever. To be a snitch,
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two people have to commit a crime and one of
them has to agree to testify on the other. I
haven't implicated anybody in any crime. I was speaking my
story from my perspective. So if you're saying I'm a snitch, okay,
well you come tell me I'm a snitch and explain
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to me your logic and I'll disprove you.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm gonna hit you with some hard questions, all right.
And a lot of these.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Questions are coming from what's in the media and what
we're seeing, because what we're fitling me personally is not
what you've seen or experienced.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
So I'm fed this media version of the underworld. But
you've lived it.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You've experienced it definitely, and I want you to break
this narrative.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I want you to.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Give us the truth and I want people to see
because I genuinely respect you, I want your voice to
be heard as the truth and to stop this conspiracy bullshit.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Okay, Okay, can you do that for me? Sure?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Okay, where do we start?
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Well, funny thing is I get asked this question a
lot like why am I speaking out now? Etc.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Et cetera.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Truth is, I have been saying this for years, and
the fact that I stood up for people who couldn't
stand up for their self. Media outlets, powerful people went
out of their way to make sure I couldn't get interviews.
I couldn't get any opportunity to say this. People who
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know me know I have been saying this for years
before there were all of these media platforms on before YouTube.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
So let's break this down. Who are you saying it to?
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Anybody who would listen? Who uh.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Some of the same platforms I'm on now? I was
reaching out two years.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Ago, And who's dampering your voice?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Co conspirators for the in doctrine indoctrinization of oppressing people. Basically,
straight up, I've been saying this for years. I've been
beating dudes up for years with spiking girls drinks. I've
been knocking guys out for years for doing weird things
to other people.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
And you know, when I first started this, no one
is taking a photo of the bodyguard.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
They'll purposely edit you out of all of this type
of stuff. Things have changed, so now people are taking
pictures of me, and people are putting up videos. I'm like, yo,
I remember hearing from this year, from this even they're
posted it on YouTube. You know, for years people will say,
Keith BBH, why are you taking photos of this?
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Like? Why are you?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Because I always had a plan to eventually, you know,
when I did come out full fledged with my story,
I wanted to have certain receipts. And that's why all
my YouTube has been going viral. That's why people have
been real hesitant to come out and challenge the things
that I'm staying saying.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
In my stances. I've been saying this for years.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
My family, anybody who knows me in Chicago, people know
I've been saying this for years. They used to call
me a hater because I would say, yeah, I don't
want to go to this party because yeah, you know
it's gonna be four or five dudes.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
I'll hugging you from the front back. I don't want
to go, yeah, you know, and they would say, you're
a hater.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
People be so enamored by the bright lights, the glitchen glamour. Uh,
you know, they not there. You are a gamoraby, but
you're not there.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I'm a witness when you say people who are the people, Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
The average Joe, the average lady, the person who looks
up to these stars, the people.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Who are keeping up with the who's who.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Uh, the person who's uh living above their means to
live like their favorite celebrity.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Those people.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Okay, absolutely, I've been saying it for years, and I've
been standing on certain business and morals and principles four years.
So that's why you know, you know this footage of
me attacking guys at parties because you know.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
I've had my own drink spike before.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Can you say more?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I was with a with a client at a party.
Uh were in a pretty affluent nightclub and uh, I
distinctly remember at this time was a guy named Trinidad
James's song All Gold. Everything was popping and I'll never
forget it everybody, and I'll do the probably a group
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of sixteen people trust fund kids and stuff like that.
Happened to be my birthday as well, so they said, key,
you should have a drink. One drink and blacked out?
What everybody with us blacked out? But I was able
to go in the auto.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Pilot and what do you mean blackout?
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Like no recollection for how long? From for about six hours,
like you know, we going back to the club the
next day checking camera for this, and all of a
sudden they say, I started demanding and.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
We all leave. I'm escorting people out, no recollection.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Of it at all, But I knew I was. I said,
this is this not right, something's wrong here, And that's
how it goes.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
So you know that's how it goes.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Yeah, it's I always got rules.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
You gotta You're just always ready to be roofeed for sure.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
So you know, whenever, uh, let's say somebody orders a
magnum bottle of gray Goose, Yeah, I'm gonna use my flash, like,
look at the bottom of the bottle immediately, what are
you looking for? Because if suh additives added to that bottle,
it's gonna take a longery of the dissolve in vodka
or kognac or whiskey in champagne before it gets to
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the bottom, it's automatically starting to dissolve. So if they
bring champagne bottles to the table and the corks are
already popped, they.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Gotta take them back of what not gonna take it.
There's rules you gotta follow.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
By, So ordering clear vodka is safer.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
Definitely safer, okay, And you gotta.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And watching it be opened.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
You gotta request that you open your own bottle, definitely
okay and uh And then most times, you know, in nightclubs,
half the time you may think that's great goose, but
it's not the cheaper version of the vodka.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
If it hasn't been opened, or if it's.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Been opened already, I'm willing to say ninety percent of
the time that's not gonna be the exact blaquer in
that bottle.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Facts, I did not even think about that.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
These are facts.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So you're in this life, you're seeing this play out.
You're protecting your principles, yes, and you are speaking out
as much as you can, but you're being dampered and
you're still gonna make money and do your job. How
do you remedy this juxtaposition of there's bad happening, but
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I'm kind of helping the bad perpetuate the bad.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
So here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Whenever is there are exigence circumstances, there's a small group
of people you can call to handle that. So oftentimes
people who didn't like me, I'm on a short list
of people, so they still have to call me they
would just limit what I'll be able to see and
interact with just like that, And like I have never
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set idle by. Why no rapes took place on my watch?
Nobody was taking advantage of all my watch. And I
stand on this. This cannot be tested, contested anything along
the lines. I have never perpetuated in the situations where
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people are forcing evil on others.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
I'm the person people called the deal with evil people.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Absolutely, Yeah, how do you reconcile being a part of
this underworld and getting a paycheck from it even though
you're trying to speak out, you're still in it.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Well, it's not much reconciliation for me, because my track
records speak for itself.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
I've been a protector of women and children in my
entire life. I haven't been compromised, and I firmly believe
that as a man, you gotta make a choice. You know,
some men are artists, Uh, some men are painters, some
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people are uh in the technology and throughout history you
had hunters, you had gatherers, and you had that separate
group who uh that designated job was to come.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Burn your village and uh, even Jesus tore up the
church before Uh, A man who's not dangerous, A man
who's gonna die a thousand deaths.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I'm only gonna die once.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I like that, not too soon, though.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
I don't no situational awareness.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
So is your goal.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
To call out the mom's My goal is to challenge them?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Yeah, you know I've had the humble man in my
whole life, starting as a kid, like with my men
and my family. You know, once I was big enough,
all abuse to the ladies, and I've bet my family.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Started Take me there, take me there. How young are
we talking?
Speaker 6 (13:25):
You know?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I remember being five or six years old seeing things happen,
and I said, you know, when I'm big enough, this
coming to way.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
So you're five or six years old.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
You're in Chicago, Yeah, born and Rai's real south side
Chatham Gresham area, you know, all through the city. I'm
the south side of the got Socks.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And you're witnessing a family life that sounds chaotic.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Yeah. I never really got the chair. So like sitting
to watch Dragon ball Z. He's like most guys. I've
never seen SpongeBob. You feel me From a very young age,
you know, I was immediately immersed into a certain lifestyle
out like my dad. My dad had an illicit trade.
As I was growing up. I remember the FBI coming
to the house telling them the threat against his life.
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He ended up hiring bodyguards. So that was my first
experience of seeing this profession. So it was two gentlemen. Uh,
these are all Muslim guys.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
One guy in Rossul. One got named throwing Shepherd. That's
a guy named Darnelle McCaskill. These guys were assigned to
me for several years and they would tell me, like,
your dad's a bad dude, so you're gonna have things
happening and we want you to be tough. So you know,
they got me watching uh cartel torture videos.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And cartel torture videos.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Yeah they haven't he as a kid, what are you watching?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
What's this video?
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
People getting big, Uh, guys getting their genitals ight by
pitbulls and uh horrific things. So like my cousin, my
little brother, they wore crying. They would take them out
and they would say, you ain't cry, so you gonna
keep watching with us.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
So yeah, it uh kind of groomed me to be
like this.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
You know, they got me in the before school these
guys are picking me up and they would give me
a twenty two diregor and they would shoot me, teach
me how to shoot cats in the alley and they
would laugh. And this was jovial's experience for them as
a kid. For me, initially, it wasn't really jovial, but
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I was able to understand that. You know, there's no
history without violence.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
How old are you shooting at twenty two?
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Second third grade?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Eight?
Speaker 6 (15:43):
Yeah, around that time.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Nine. Yeah, but you know, we living in the area
high crime. You know, you gotta survival of the citizens.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
You know, you either.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
You either protect your or get victimized. It's a choice
you make. These guys just felt like I was able
to handle certain things. So like earlier to day, but
we are doing our first part of the show. Yeah,
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like those techniques they were teaching me that As a kid,
I was learning that stuff. So about twelve thirteen, you
feel me, I'm six feet tall at twelve years old,
you feel me, I'm two hundred and fifty pounds. So
they teaching me things. I'm able to participate in the
exercises with them, So you know, they got me going
out to Wisconsin doing.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Room clearing drills, firearm drills.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
You know, I didn't been to bodyguard schools in Colorado,
doing body language classes, a lot of things. You feel me. Uh,
you know, I was always in gifted program as a
as a child. I started going to college in fifth grade.
So by the time I got to college age, I
had a lot of college credits already. So I graduated
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school fast.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Eel me.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
I graduated college fast, pursued football dreams, and I always
felt like, I said, you know what, I'm a little
bit sharper than all these guys. Yeah, you know, I'm
not just a jock. So I was like, man, my
body getting tore up, get concussions. You know, you can't
really read books and stuff anymore. You know. I used
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to read encyclopedias as a hobby. So like I decided,
I mean, I'm gonna use my brain and start me
in business. And I knew all of the athletes and
stuff like that, so I'm writing security I already was
doing in the neighborhood, like drug deals and stuff like that.
And then I know, I just started to feel like
when you start to deal with different cultures of people,
you know, like I don't know if I just say
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that I know some guys that are some triad guys, right,
they wouldn't distribute certain products in their own neighborhood.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
And that was a profound to me.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I see my own people doing it, though, So I
learned the importance of being cultured at that point because
my mom's a school teacher, and she used to always say,
it's not a normal kid, Like, how do I handle him?
You feel me because I never had a problem being violent,
but I always had a problem with who it was toward.
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I don't believe I'm picking on the week. I don't
want to fight somebody who can't fight. I don't want
to be I don't get no credit for destroying a
person who can even destroy me.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Tell me more about the things that are so impressive
about you.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
So your dad laid out this landscape.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
For you of who he wanted you to be in
a sense, and you've you've molded that with becoming this strength, this.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Protector, this superior person. How did you do this? How
did you take.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Being eight or nine years old with bodyguards protecting you,
shooting cats and become this Well.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
You would have mentioned a few seconds ago that my
dad laid out a pathway right. The paradox about that
is like my dad was looking like my first enemy.
So and he's no joke. No, this is just a dude,
a tough guy, stangers dude. Like you know, I knew
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it was inspiring to me to be able to build
myself up to be able to one day challenge him.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh motivation, and I knew.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
I knew I better be ready theday.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I would challenge him because his nickname is devil man. Uh.
I wanted to be the opposite of him, cause you know,
I remember being a young guy coming to him about
you know, dating and stuff like that, and I always
aspired to be a husband, and you know he would
disagree with that. But I'm like, you're married to my mom,
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and you don't want me to be a husband, and
you want me to be uh horrormongering per se.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
What's the what's the smirk that comes when you saw
they talk about him?
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Cause you know, I really don't like this guy.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, but you do.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I love him to an extent, but the same time,
I really don't. And sometime I get uncomfortable that I
haven't really been able to Uh he runs when I
when I'm coming if here's.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
I'm coming he please m I I get satisfactory from that.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
So you got your power back.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Absolutely. Most importantly, the ladies of my family got their
power back. Mmm. Yeah, I you know, I'm a pizzart
in my family, like none of my nieces and nephews,
little sister, nobody have a story them being abused. Uh,
nobody was sexually assaulted. Because you know, I'll admit you know,
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I I went out my way to make sure people
feared me at times simply because the only thing that
me and respect is danger.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
So me being like the.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Cavilot people safe. I seen ladies be able to beat
addiction and be able to be matriarchist, and that's what
mattered to me. And every day I get messages from them,
my family, getting my flowers. They tell me that without me,
wouldn't be no family. So that's why I was smarting,
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because it's like.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
How does it feel to say that without you there
wouldn't be a family.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
It's like the highest honor, especially being a African American man,
and the stereotypes that get pushed upon all types of men,
especially in my community, and to know that I'm the
opposite of that and I get my uh, subsequent praises
for it. It's a it's a it's a fulfilling experience.
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This is one thing I smiled about daily.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Who you've become absolutely and what you've done absolutely definitely.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So take me back to school. What were you like
in elementary school?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Elementary school, I was trying to be the smartest man
in the world, like all. I wanted to go to Harvard.
I wanted to be a scientist. You know. I had
the highest test score in Chicago public school history. I
was always in a ninety nine percentile and always tested.
Even in high school. I had a perfect score on ACT.
Didn't even study. But they say I didn't study, But
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I really was studying my whole life, so like, uh,
but nobody cared.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
About that though.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
It wasn't until I said I was a gangster that
people really paid attention to me.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Wait.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Wait, we're talking about education and you get attention as
a gangster.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Yeah, nobody cared that.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I was like my grandmother will always say he's a genius,
he gonna be the one to bring the family up.
So I never got a Whooper, I never got a
spak Am, I barely I never really had no discipline,
nary actions taken toward me. You feel me I was
a Yeah, my mom said I was an anomaly. If
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she lives with me to this day, she said, I'm
living with my son. She said, no one has mistreated
me as my son. I'm in fifteen, So how would
she describe you.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
My mom always says this.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
She says, my youngest son, he might break your nose,
but he'll come to the hospital and pray what you
and pray for you. My oldest son, if he break
your nose, locked the hospital up because he may come
to finish the y'all. My mom says this, Yeah, what
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do you think.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
I like?
Speaker 4 (24:13):
I like it because me being strong gay people in
my family uh something to stand on and build upon,
and they was able to. I'll wake up every day
with like messages from people in my film, some of
the ladies of my family telling me nothing never happened
to us because because of you people was didn't know
why I want to deal with you, so like it
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paid off. It wasn't just for me. It wasn't just
for me because I'm like the last man really left
in the family. So how do you me and my brother?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
How did you find this place in life.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
With everything so immoral around you, and just we're talking gangsters,
we're talking so much violence, incarceration, all of this, and
you carried this threat of honor.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Honestly, my grandmother Jeanette rest in peace, Maha Nina, my
mother Sharon, they kept me in the church. They kept
me in the church. Like without being in church, there's
certainly those principles being instilled in me. I would have
went wayward, for sure, for sure. So like the things
I identified with with, like biblical literature and stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
You know, I've read seven different Bibles.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
I read the Koran, I read the Torah. You know,
I take bits and pieces some different things and applying
to myself, you know, I feel like a man without
rules and without some something to believe in. You know,
your soul could be up and for sale. And I
always felt that my soul won't be for sale. That
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no matter what harm I've done, the policy of that
I've done would be my ticket, you know, to get
to heaven. Sure, that's what I believe in. And just knowing,
you know, they believed in me. They believed in me.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Your family, the women.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Ladies believed in me.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
They won't and they felt safe because.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Of your Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Absolutely, that's that's fucking powerful, because most women don't feel safe.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Fact every minute of every day.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Facts, there's a fact as a fact. You know, it
used to be legal to beat your wife in this country.
Women couldn't vote until the sixties. There are certain countries
where ladies couldn't drive until last year. And this is
the only species on the planet that are gonna carry life.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Suspicious, incredible, and it's time for a break.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
So take me to high school.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
High school, for me, my focus was.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Keep my grades up, get a scholarship to go play football, and.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
Have my way in the street.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Okay, so you're in high school, you're aspiring to be
in football, great grades, dad's in prison, you're the man
of the house, you're running the streets.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
How do you carry both?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I had a team. I always had a crew. I
always had a crew of guys. I'll be having the
same crew of homies for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Okay, I want to challenge you a little bit, talk
me because that's the humble part that I kind of
want to smack. It's not the community entirely, it's you.
So what in you kept you going forward?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
And building your legacy. How did you do it? Where
is your strength?
Speaker 6 (28:05):
My strength.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Is sometimes it being People would say that sometimes I'm
too humble, But you know, I'm kind of a conceited
guy in times because you know, I know, any room
I go in, I'm probably the most dangerous guy there.
I know, I'm a pretty intelligent person. You know, anytime
I go into a room, I got a plan to
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kill everybody just in case, you know, not maliciously.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
So you have this intellectual capacity to run a room,
you can carry it. You have the emotional capacity to
calm yourself and be present for sure.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
You never, as a man, should ever make an emotional decision.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
So you're running through Hay School, You're running the streets.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, you have your community, but you are growing as
a man definitely, So who's the man after high school?
Speaker 6 (29:03):
After high school?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
My purpose I was like, you know what, it's time
to become a millionaire. Because when you're doing bodyguard work
for people, and like you see the confidence that like
rich dudes have.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
And there's something real.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
That's be the question I say, without this money, would
you have the same confidence. So, like people always say
that they can't tell if I got a hundred dollars
or a hundred thousand dollars, Like that's like the true
measure of a man in me, like calm, collective leader
at all times. You know, sometimes you gotta be wild,
most times you gotta be stoic. And I'll just try
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to live by that.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
How did you change when you started this, becoming a
part of this industry, getting paychecks, being amongst such wealth.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Truth is, I didn't change, And that's what really led
to me to be here, because about what have changed?
Then I'm gonna be a participant in this lascivious activity
that people got going on, and I'm looking down on
these guys. Once I found myself looking down on the
people that everybody was worshiper, I knew at that point, like,
you know what, Keith, you a little bit different, and
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you should just stay your course because you know, it's
just no amount of money that you can give me
for you to put me in a compromising position for
the thought of having a position as some record label.
Have you ever heard of an internship to be a
police officer? You ever heard of an internship to be
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a plumber or a doctor.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
No, this is the only industry where.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
People come and work for free for the thought to
be in the gliss and glamour strange.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
So to me, that's grooming, that's abusive authority.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Same thing absolutely her percent right.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
So at what point does that take over someone's mindset, vision, desire,
ability to see who.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
They really are?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Oftentimes I heard the term that you don't know who
you are until you have some money, right, And then
I would see people get money and now they're delving
off on the things they normally wouldn't do. And then
you see the guy who gets a big bag of
money and he's still in his hand deciding you that's me, Yeah,
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cause you know I'll get money, but I got the
same outfit two hundred times.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, but you diamonds.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Absolutely, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
And then like people will say, all your diamond's real,
I'm like, buddy, I was getting four hure thousand dollars
checks in twenty twelve and my wardrobe is not sitting
in my closet.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
So you know, so.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
We're jumping into kind of industry talk.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Let's jump.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Can I ask you who are the good guys?
Speaker 6 (32:09):
Well, before I answered this, you gotta cheer some GULEI
with him.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I don't want to fuck up the microphone and the
cup placement. Cheers to the good guys.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
The good fight has no beginning date and no end date.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
How many cliches do you want to use?
Speaker 4 (32:29):
As many if necessary?
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Do you have PTSD?
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I did the traumatizer. I'm not traumatized.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Do you have nightmares?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Nope?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Really?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Who are?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
But you do?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
You do guard even when you're not on guard?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Absolutely, definitely. Your husband mentioned that they said this is
just what you do. Yeah, absolutely, he.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Does it too. He's got PTSD.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Maybe he's just a man.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I don't know. Then you're seeing a lot of men
are just straight up pussy's.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Most men are because certain guys wouldn't get celebrated if
all men were created equal.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Future goals.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I have a project going on right now called the Colony.
As a website called the Colony that Life. We purchased
a large swathes land. I have a project where five
hundred families are donating two thousand dollars to create a
colony of people, like minded people to have a self
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sustaining community, that is that is governed by a board
of like minded people, where people can live peacefully amongst
each other.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
It sounds like a colt.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
A colt usually has a disillusioned leader, not a board
of people that get voted in.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Where is this? How much is it? What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (34:17):
So? Per household is two thousand bucks. The land is
located in Texas. Your two thousand dollars get you a
container home, a certain amount of square feet on the land.
Gonna have a f uh solar power station, the power
of farms and the dig a well, build a lake,
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build a little bunker just in case natural disasters, and uh.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Justlea will there be freak offfs.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Uh freak coffs will not be allowed on the property
due to the fact that, uh, if we see any
loads of baby oil getting shipped in, you gonna get
voted off the premises. You might even get a slap
or two cause we're gonna have children there.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, okay, I love your integrity. I worry about your
public perception, your public persona, now that you're speaking out.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
The other day at the grocery store, a little old
lady about seventy walked up and hugged me, And I'm like,
why is this lady grabbing me? You feel me?
Speaker 6 (35:23):
Because you know I let nobody get close to me
like that.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
But the way she walked up and she grabbed me,
and then she put out her phone and said, I
was watching you, young man, and you're a big handsome fella,
and she just walked away that right there. You know.
Always told my mom, you know, pray for me, but
also pray for my enemies though, because my mom, I'm
not gonna cry.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
I'm real good at what I do, so I smiled.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Mostly.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I believe you than you can I be in this
inner circle.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Now, absolutely absolutely, you can't highly recommended to are You're
really genuinely cool? Though?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
That's nice.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
You a shark.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I'm straightforward.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
Yeah, most women should be straightforward.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
But I've also been fucked in life. So Bill's character
so big question.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Sure, how do you explain this to the kids in
our world growing up and wanting to be in this industry?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
What do you say to my daughter who's.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Seven years old and wants to be an actress and
a musician.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I would tell her parents to homeschool her and remove
the high pad and iPhone.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Really yeah, I wouldn't tell.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
The kid that, really, yeah, children are being raised by devices. Now,
parents got to work. Parents, gotta have a life. If
they raise is by technology. You know they're banning social
media in certain countries and states, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
And censoring it.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah, even world we live in.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
So how do you explain, Honey?
Speaker 2 (37:20):
You could be you could be an incredible singer, but
this is the culture you'd be entering into.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
That's why I'm thirty six years old, never had anybody pregnant,
only had one relationship, never had any children.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
You don't want kids.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I don't believe I can keep my children safe.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Really no, I don't because of the world, absolutely, and
I don't want to have small children in case certain
things that are.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
The United States military just said soldiers to secure the
Alaskan border. There are Russian warships sixty miles outside of Florida.
China has a plan to be the superpower by twenty fifty.
They're harassing every ship in the China Sea. They have
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extermination vans. Execution vans. You violate the law and you
have a low social credit score. They send this van
in your house, execute you into that you don't go
back to your apartment.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
So if you could give a commencement speech to college undergrads,
what would it be?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Leave college now get a trade, start a business, and
vote to abolish all political parties.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
But they just graduated.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Yeah. I just paid off my mom's student loan. She's
been a teacher fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, that's incredible.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Just two loans was one hundred and thirty thousand. Should
never make that much in a year.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
No, So, in a sense, you're saying, find yourself in
who you are and not be influenced or impact by
the media or the world.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
And where, especially in America, we're pushing people.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Most of the things we eat in this country are
illegal everywhere else. I would tell people, find your cause,
enricher family, don't seek so much validations for strangers. Be
as good of a human as you can be, but
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be prepared to be a dark form of yourself to
keep you on yourself safe. No matter how good of
a person you are, there are things that do go
bump in the night. The boogeyman comes in several forms.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I completely agree.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I think we all have a dark side, a psychopath
in us that we call upon, and if he's present
too often, that's bad. But we need to know he's there,
and we have to name him.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Bingo, what's yours called.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Gordo, Gordo why uh so, well, let me correct something.
My nickname most of my life was always killer. And
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you gotta know that you're capable of being darker than
the darkest force if you want to live. If you're
using this darkness as a tool to win, you're not
really being dark. You're adapting to win. But then you
got to be able to pull yourself back out because
if you stay there now you all let people down
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and love you choose peace, choose low, but be prepared
to be vicious.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
So where's Gordo stay?
Speaker 6 (41:19):
And once you come out, he's always out.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
And if he stays, I'm not outside home And how
a drink and goulett.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Yeah, but Joe, thank you for doing this with me.
Speaker 6 (41:51):
Thank you for thank you e for reaching out so quick.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
You know, growing up, everyone told me that I wasn't
allowed to be the conscience for the community, and I
told them all the funk off.
Speaker 6 (42:02):
You know what that is?
Speaker 4 (42:05):
You got gump shore, So do you and a lot
of places most people don't really like a lady who's
gonna look you in the eyes and tell you you're
full of ship.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
I'm looking at my own reflection.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
That's that's that's something that's going on because you know,
you know one shock and recognize another.
Speaker 6 (42:29):
I like this all black, you got on too. I
gotta salute you. You might be a real Google gang member.
Now we'll have to get you inducted.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
So I call my dark side the panther.
Speaker 6 (42:41):
Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
She seeks vengeance and she will ruin you until October.
Speaker 6 (42:51):
So so what you say you got a mean streak.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
I don't forgive.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
Ever, what's innocent about that is I always live by
a term God forgives. I don't because I'm just a man.
I never wanted to take on that pressure to forgive somebody.
And I know they're wrong, they know they're wrong. If
I forgive them, I'm opening up of space for them
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to do it to me again.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
You're perpetuating the bad behavior being goal which you're stopping.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
And your life goal is just that, which is fucking incredible.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Hey, you know there were times where I said, you know, what,
is it really worth it? But after the last five
or six months, it was worth it. It's like people
in my inbox saying because of you, I got courage
to speak out because of you. Now, how I feel
safer because of you doing this. Like, it's a lot
of people in my inbox with really interesting testimonies, and
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I seen evil things, and seeing those type of things
really give me a good feeling because most days I
don't really feel much, so I get to feel something
that's cool. Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
You're changing the world, and it's time to stop changing
the world one by one.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
It's time to start on a bigger platform.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
My mom told me I was changing the world this morning.
So for you to say that right now, it's pretty profound.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah. Can I take her out for dinner like Applebee's?
What is she like?
Speaker 6 (44:41):
Right? So?
Speaker 4 (44:42):
You know my mom?
Speaker 6 (44:44):
My mom is sixty three.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Oh my god, she's young.
Speaker 6 (44:47):
Yeah, yeah, you know, school teacher.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Right now, she's been shopping all day at the Third Store,
her little dog. She put Melly in the stroller and
they get to moving around. So she had liked that.
Speaker 6 (44:59):
She like cheese. She's like wearing like the heels and
stuff you get on. Yeah, she'll she will indulge in
that for sure.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Are you adore her?
Speaker 6 (45:14):
Absolutely? Absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
You know, I seen my mom getting mistreated and I've
seen her raising two little boys alone. I've seen her
escape poverty. I've seen her work two jobs. I've seen
her be a lifelong educator. I've seen her on a
fixed income. You know, I was wearing the size fifteen
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shoes in sixth grade, and I got a little brother
who's just as big as me. I've seen her make
the impossible happen alone. And I told her, as soon
as I'm big enough, nobody will ever play with you again.
So when I hear her on the phone, I hear
her co worker saying, Sharon, why are you always so smiling?
Why you're so happy? Because ain't nobody mistreated me? My
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son is scared everybody a way. That means a lot
to me, because when I couldn't defend myself, she defended me.
She's the one, you know. She raised King call.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
Sure, and the way he was looking for that white lady,
That's how I'm became. I'm looking for her. You play
on my mama.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Sure everyone needs a Gordo.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
That's a good shirt, right then, yes, sir, and y'all
heard the doctor say that, not me. Jack.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
You've been in a lot of situations that are life
or death.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
But when did morality come into play?
Speaker 4 (46:55):
I always operated with a certain amount of moral compass
or due to the fact that the principles that my
mom and that the ladies and my family instilled into me.
But this question has certain amount of significance for me
because I was in a shootout before and a buddy
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of mine lost his eye. I lost my front royal teeth,
and I'll take these out like this sashed.
Speaker 6 (47:35):
There was an altercasion that took place.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
There was some gentlemen who had pulled an act on
a young lady and there was a retaliation.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
For that and the fact that we stuck up for
this young lady.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
There was a group of guys who didn't appreciate that,
so they took it upon themselves to take part in
my demise, and uh, unfortunately for them.
Speaker 6 (48:10):
They just wasn't on the same level.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Because it's not violence that separates men, it's the distance
that those men are willing to go that separate men.
So oh, there was opportunities that we could have took
action upon people who were far removed from the situation,
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because the people that was really in the crosshairs were
actively hiding. So your more was coming to place. When
you see somebody who was directly connected to somebody you
want to really get your hands on. But this is
a woman with childre there's rules of engagement. You either
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bye by these things or you're no longer a pillar.
Now you're a monster. And that's really where morality morality
came to a head for me personally. I've seen my
own blood. Me and my team have had several bloody days.
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This is this is the bloodiest one. And I'll send
you footage of this. I'll send you photos and stuff
like that.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
You know, I was eating a slice of pizza and
I've seen this part right here where I got a
skin graph right here, seen a chuck of.
Speaker 6 (49:37):
My arm fly off, and I'm like, damn, they're shooting in.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
We get to the car now it's a little chase
going on. It's exchange of gun fire in traffic ends
up being a car crash. I'll send you the footage.
I got eyepatch and my you know, I couldn't go
to relate to the hospital. We had first say kids.
We passed ourselves up. One of my buddies, we had
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to all anty up for him to get plastic surgery
because he lost his eye. His nose was hanging off
his face. A two two, three bullets went across his face,
and I was real angry for about thirty seconds. All
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best was off my moral compass that got tucked away,
And I said, no, how how would my grandmother feel?
Because you know I was I scrutinized people for not
helping her across the street before.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Did your moral compass get tucked away? Or did did
justice become more clear?
Speaker 6 (50:52):
Wasn't it? You know, justice is.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
The right thing. But talionis means eye for an eye,
and I was more along that line.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 4 (51:07):
Uh huh. I never harmed anybody who didn't deserve it,
and at that point in time, people didn't deserve it.
What's on the radar? So I had to untug it
real quick. But okay, DoD, if you do this, you
just like these pieces of garbage and everything you did
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right now gets wiped away. People start flooding the phone, like, look,
his baby mother is here, she does here, here's auntie
works here because there was a woman who got shot. Well,
it's my homie shot top Google. You know, when his
baby mother got shot? Women and kids should never be
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involved in this type of dark activity.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
So are you saying you broke your moral compass in
that moment?
Speaker 4 (51:56):
I felt like I broke it and I kind of
let myself down at that time, but I was able to.
Speaker 6 (52:04):
Circumvent that immediately.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
That was a moment where you you realized.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
We almost became on the ninety seven percent of bad
people that.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
So you had insight and you took that and you
became you.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
Yeah, because you know my name getting mentioned with reverence,
I get a heroes welcome a lot of places where
I go. That all goes away the moment you pull
an act that is not honorable. I was always cogressant
that thanks to man, Granny and my mom.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
So you had seconds of losing the honor thirty seconds.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
Get yourself back because I got a group of guys
looking at me. They ain't going me to make the
calls a big bro say this. We were going off
the deep end and I stopped. Someone of them resented before.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
I'd rather have that and never again. I just want
to touch on too, like you look good.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
You look like you're not a fucking war battled scart
up shot up guy.
Speaker 6 (53:19):
I definitely got scars, but you're.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
You got scars? Like what's happened to your body through
all this?
Speaker 6 (53:30):
Uh take off the hat.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
You lost your hair?
Speaker 6 (53:35):
You see this? You see this line on my forehead.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
I've had my uh my head got busted.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Uh yeah, I get from what.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
Mhm uh. Some guys wanted the vitality against me. They
set up a little hand bushed aside of a nightclub.
Hit me with a bottle, stab.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Me and uh stabbed you with a bottle.
Speaker 6 (54:04):
No, hit me with a bottle and I got stabbed
in my side with a knife.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Okay, so you got stab wounds.
Speaker 6 (54:09):
Yeah, I got stab wones.
Speaker 4 (54:10):
I got bullet wounds I got I've had several surgeries.
I've had torn meniscus, I got a torn a c
L and m c L. Right now, I just don't
identify being weak. You know, I'm not gonna reveal no
weaknesses to you. I want a limp, but I'm not
gonna limp. I'm not gonna reveal no weaknesses at all.
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You know, I'll just grimace on the inside. That's cool.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Uh, I think you're incredible.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
I mean, like before we got together today, I cut
my toe and I've been limping all that.
Speaker 6 (54:40):
And right right, and you know sometime you got a limp.
Speaker 4 (54:49):
But you know I got to torn mcl m cl
and this need right here, and uh man, I.
Speaker 6 (54:58):
Was, I was on crutes and stuff like that. But
like if you can't, man, you just you make a choice.
Speaker 4 (55:06):
Yeah, either you gonna be a mountain or a pebble
that will get picked up and skipped across the water.
Speaker 6 (55:14):
Can't move that mountain. I'd rather be a mountain.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
So you're incredible.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Likewise, No, seriously, I what your upbringing in the streets,
and your life usually turns into.
Speaker 4 (55:36):
My mom says, it's the same thing you're you're about
to say.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
Is somebody who's worked in prisons and hospitals, in jails
for up to twenty years.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
I can't. I don't know one person who chose.
Speaker 4 (55:50):
Morality, because morality is never the easy choice.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
And it doesn't pay, no, don't.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
I used to sell myself and said, you know what,
bro some days, you know, I don't even know this
is worth it. People used to call me Captain saber
Hoo because I wouldn't let a lady get killed by
a man. Sometimes it was women who said this to me.
These same women would later call me when they getting
when somebody coming home showing up, what the rockets cooking?
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And they're like, oh my god, I gotta call BH.
I got footage of women police officers calling me because
our boyfriend is beating them.
Speaker 6 (56:41):
Won't leave their house. They calling me. Dudes, can hear
my name?
Speaker 4 (56:47):
They say all fuck no, no, no no they had
doguard name. Oh no, no, no, we'll they want to see food.
All we just gonna leave my baby's sister. This boy
acts like he don't want to leave my house. What
he heard he was coming? Never mind, he just left.
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It pays to rule with an iron fist because if
people know you got that iron fist, most times you
don't gotta swing.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
Last question, sure, how do you differentiate between fear and empowerment?
Speaker 4 (57:31):
I can honestly say I don't know where fear he
is and empowerment is a duty. Ah. I feel like
fear and respect sometime can be the same thing. But
at the same time, I fear no man, I fear
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no circumstance because with proper preparedness, preparewareness, and where adequate
situational awareness, you can prevent most tragedies. So if there
is a crisis. The confidence that you build is gonna
help you get through that crisis.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
So it starts on the inside.
Speaker 6 (58:18):
Yeah, it's got to be in you. It's got to
be in you.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
And then you build it and you learn and you
educate with your community.
Speaker 5 (58:26):
And your skills absolutely and all your training absolutely for sure.
Speaker 4 (58:32):
The training is definitely important because you know you gotta
be leaked to with your as. If people call weapons,
I call them tools. You know that bag over there
is full of tools. Some will call them weapons where
it's full of tools. I'm never any place that I'm
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not armed. And if I pull out a firearm, if
you see me, I'm not gonna just brandish a gun.
I'm not gonna brandish a night. I don't want you
to know I have this. So if I'm pulling it out,
I'm gonna use it now. So you know, no one
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is scared of the guy that's always waving his gun
around because he's not using his gun. They scared of
that gun going off. People are afraid of the guy
they know these dudes are killers. They always calm and
they always polite, But the most dangerous guys, they gonna smile, drink,
Gulai with you. The mama doesn't try the danger, though
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things get shown. Cheers to death, cheers.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Thank you for listening to another episode of intentionally Disturbing.
Speaker 1 (59:56):
I've got to run and get back to reading about
this diddy K
Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
See you next time.
Away, you're here.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome back for another episode of Intentionally Disturbing with Doctor Leslie,
and today's guest is.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Big Homie CC.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Now we recorded this episode, I would say about a
year ago, way before the Diddy Trial started, and now
that we are in week two of the Diddy Trial,
Big Homies predictions have come true, which is fascinating to
me that the music industry holly weird. Everyone has really
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watched a lot of abuse and horrible things. People were
complicit and no one stopped it after it went on
for years and years and years. So tune in, listen
up because Big Homie has some amazing advice and some
incredible insights, especially around drink spiking and the alcohol you're.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Getting in clubs.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I'm so happy to partner with Note because together we
made a hot Pink drink cover to prevent drink spiking,
and they have made the most incredible drink spiking drug
test kit. It tests over seventeen different common drugs and
those are some of the drugs you'll hear about from
Big Homie and we are seeing in the Ditty Trial.
(01:33):
This is amazing. Tune in.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I can't wait for you to listen.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Allay you're here. Thank you for sitting down and talking
to me.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
It's a pleasure. It's a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Okay, how can I address you?
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Big homie bh bh is good, Big Homi, Big homie
is good.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Big Homy.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Sure, okay, I'm really excited that you are taking the
time to talk to me.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
I'm excited as well. I'm excited. You can't highly recommended.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I may have got a threat to make sure I
didn't miss this, for sure.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
So you've you've spent your life protecting people.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Yeah, the last seventeen years, for sure, is but my
seventeen years.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah, seventeen years.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So my goal is to I want to hear your
story because I think that you are an incredible fucking
human being.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
And although some people may be calling you a snitch right.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Now, we got to tell the story of why you're
coming out and you are bringing justice.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And protection to a scene that's been crazy for a
long time, for sure.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
So first and foremost, yeah, let's just go ahead and
correct the narrative because we got a lot of keyboard
warriors who are now gangsters now, yeah, and they're determining
who's a snitch and who's not, and none of them
have ever done anything at all ever. To be a snitch,
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two people have to commit a crime and one of
them has to agree to testify on the other. I
haven't implicated anybody in any crime. I was speaking my
story from my perspective. So if you're saying I'm a snitch, okay,
well you come tell me I'm a snitch and explain
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to me your logic and I'll disprove you.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm gonna hit you with some hard questions, all right.
And a lot of these.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Questions are coming from what's in the media and what
we're seeing, because what we're fitling me personally is not
what you've seen or experienced.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
So I'm fed this media version of the underworld. But
you've lived it.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You've experienced it definitely, and I want you to break
this narrative.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I want you to.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Give us the truth and I want people to see
because I genuinely respect you, I want your voice to
be heard as the truth and to stop this conspiracy bullshit.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Okay, Okay, can you do that for me? Sure?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Okay, where do we start?
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Well, funny thing is I get asked this question a
lot like why am I speaking out now? Etc.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Et cetera.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Truth is, I have been saying this for years, and
the fact that I stood up for people who couldn't
stand up for their self. Media outlets, powerful people went
out of their way to make sure I couldn't get interviews.
I couldn't get any opportunity to say this. People who
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know me know I have been saying this for years
before there were all of these media platforms on before YouTube.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
So let's break this down. Who are you saying it to?
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Anybody who would listen? Who uh.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Some of the same platforms I'm on now? I was
reaching out two years.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Ago, And who's dampering your voice?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Co conspirators for the in doctrine indoctrinization of oppressing people. Basically,
straight up, I've been saying this for years. I've been
beating dudes up for years with spiking girls drinks. I've
been knocking guys out for years for doing weird things
to other people.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
And you know, when I first started this, no one
is taking a photo of the bodyguard.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
They'll purposely edit you out of all of this type
of stuff. Things have changed, so now people are taking
pictures of me, and people are putting up videos. I'm like, yo,
I remember hearing from this year, from this even they're
posted it on YouTube. You know, for years people will say,
Keith BBH, why are you taking photos of this?
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Like? Why are you?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Because I always had a plan to eventually, you know,
when I did come out full fledged with my story,
I wanted to have certain receipts. And that's why all
my YouTube has been going viral. That's why people have
been real hesitant to come out and challenge the things
that I'm staying saying.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
In my stances. I've been saying this for years.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
My family, anybody who knows me in Chicago, people know
I've been saying this for years. They used to call
me a hater because I would say, yeah, I don't
want to go to this party because yeah, you know
it's gonna be four or five dudes.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
I'll hugging you from the front back. I don't want
to go, yeah, you know, and they would say, you're
a hater.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
People be so enamored by the bright lights, the glitchen glamour. Uh,
you know, they not there. You are a gamoraby, but
you're not there.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I'm a witness when you say people who are the people, Uh.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
The average Joe, the average lady, the person who looks
up to these stars, the people.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Who are keeping up with the who's who.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Uh, the person who's uh living above their means to
live like their favorite celebrity.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Those people.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Okay, absolutely, I've been saying it for years, and I've
been standing on certain business and morals and principles four years.
So that's why you know, you know this footage of
me attacking guys at parties because you know.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
I've had my own drink spike before.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Can you say more?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I was with a with a client at a party.
Uh were in a pretty affluent nightclub and uh, I
distinctly remember at this time was a guy named Trinidad
James's song All Gold. Everything was popping and I'll never
forget it everybody, and I'll do the probably a group
(08:10):
of sixteen people trust fund kids and stuff like that.
Happened to be my birthday as well, so they said, key,
you should have a drink. One drink and blacked out?
What everybody with us blacked out? But I was able
to go in the auto.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Pilot and what do you mean blackout?
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Like no recollection for how long? From for about six hours,
like you know, we going back to the club the
next day checking camera for this, and all of a
sudden they say, I started demanding and.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
We all leave. I'm escorting people out, no recollection.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Of it at all, But I knew I was. I said,
this is this not right, something's wrong here, And that's
how it goes.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
So you know that's how it goes.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Yeah, it's I always got rules.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
You gotta You're just always ready to be roofeed for sure.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
So you know, whenever, uh, let's say somebody orders a
magnum bottle of gray Goose, Yeah, I'm gonna use my flash, like,
look at the bottom of the bottle immediately, what are
you looking for? Because if suh additives added to that bottle,
it's gonna take a longery of the dissolve in vodka
or kognac or whiskey in champagne before it gets to
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the bottom, it's automatically starting to dissolve. So if they
bring champagne bottles to the table and the corks are
already popped, they.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Gotta take them back of what not gonna take it.
There's rules you gotta follow.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
By, So ordering clear vodka is safer.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
Definitely safer, okay, And you gotta.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And watching it be opened.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
You gotta request that you open your own bottle, definitely
okay and uh And then most times, you know, in nightclubs,
half the time you may think that's great goose, but
it's not the cheaper version of the vodka.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
If it hasn't been opened, or if it's.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Been opened already, I'm willing to say ninety percent of
the time that's not gonna be the exact blaquer in
that bottle.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Facts, I did not even think about that.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
These are facts.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So you're in this life, you're seeing this play out.
You're protecting your principles, yes, and you are speaking out
as much as you can, but you're being dampered and
you're still gonna make money and do your job. How
do you remedy this juxtaposition of there's bad happening, but
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I'm kind of helping the bad perpetuate the bad.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
So here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Whenever is there are exigence circumstances, there's a small group
of people you can call to handle that. So oftentimes
people who didn't like me, I'm on a short list
of people, so they still have to call me they
would just limit what I'll be able to see and
interact with just like that, And like I have never
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set idle by. Why no rapes took place on my watch?
Nobody was taking advantage of all my watch. And I
stand on this. This cannot be tested, contested anything along
the lines. I have never perpetuated in the situations where
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people are forcing evil on others.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
I'm the person people called the deal with evil people.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Absolutely, Yeah, how do you reconcile being a part of
this underworld and getting a paycheck from it even though
you're trying to speak out, you're still in it.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Well, it's not much reconciliation for me, because my track
records speak for itself.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
I've been a protector of women and children in my
entire life. I haven't been compromised, and I firmly believe
that as a man, you gotta make a choice. You know,
some men are artists, Uh, some men are painters, some
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people are uh in the technology and throughout history you
had hunters, you had gatherers, and you had that separate
group who uh that designated job was to come.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Burn your village and uh, even Jesus tore up the
church before Uh, A man who's not dangerous, A man
who's gonna die a thousand deaths.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I'm only gonna die once.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I like that, not too soon, though.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
I don't no situational awareness.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
So is your goal.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
To call out the mom's My goal is to challenge them?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Yeah, you know I've had the humble man in my
whole life, starting as a kid, like with my men
and my family. You know, once I was big enough,
all abuse to the ladies, and I've bet my family.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Started Take me there, take me there. How young are
we talking?
Speaker 6 (13:25):
You know?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I remember being five or six years old seeing things happen,
and I said, you know, when I'm big enough, this
coming to way.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
So you're five or six years old.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
You're in Chicago, Yeah, born and Rai's real south side
Chatham Gresham area, you know, all through the city. I'm
the south side of the got Socks.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And you're witnessing a family life that sounds chaotic.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Yeah. I never really got the chair. So like sitting
to watch Dragon ball Z. He's like most guys. I've
never seen SpongeBob. You feel me From a very young age,
you know, I was immediately immersed into a certain lifestyle
out like my dad. My dad had an illicit trade.
As I was growing up. I remember the FBI coming
to the house telling them the threat against his life.
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He ended up hiring bodyguards. So that was my first
experience of seeing this profession. So it was two gentlemen. Uh,
these are all Muslim guys.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
One guy in Rossul. One got named throwing Shepherd. That's
a guy named Darnelle McCaskill. These guys were assigned to
me for several years and they would tell me, like,
your dad's a bad dude, so you're gonna have things
happening and we want you to be tough. So you know,
they got me watching uh cartel torture videos.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And cartel torture videos.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Yeah they haven't he as a kid, what are you watching?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
What's this video?
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
People getting big, Uh, guys getting their genitals ight by
pitbulls and uh horrific things. So like my cousin, my
little brother, they wore crying. They would take them out
and they would say, you ain't cry, so you gonna
keep watching with us.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
So yeah, it uh kind of groomed me to be
like this.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
You know, they got me in the before school these
guys are picking me up and they would give me
a twenty two diregor and they would shoot me, teach
me how to shoot cats in the alley and they
would laugh. And this was jovial's experience for them as
a kid. For me, initially, it wasn't really jovial, but
(15:28):
I was able to understand that. You know, there's no
history without violence.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
How old are you shooting at twenty two?
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Second third grade?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Eight?
Speaker 6 (15:43):
Yeah, around that time.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Nine. Yeah, but you know, we living in the area
high crime. You know, you gotta survival of the citizens.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
You know, you either.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
You either protect your or get victimized. It's a choice
you make. These guys just felt like I was able
to handle certain things. So like earlier to day, but
we are doing our first part of the show. Yeah,
(16:19):
like those techniques they were teaching me that As a kid,
I was learning that stuff. So about twelve thirteen, you
feel me, I'm six feet tall at twelve years old,
you feel me, I'm two hundred and fifty pounds. So
they teaching me things. I'm able to participate in the
exercises with them, So you know, they got me going
out to Wisconsin doing.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Room clearing drills, firearm drills.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
You know, I didn't been to bodyguard schools in Colorado,
doing body language classes, a lot of things. You feel me. Uh,
you know, I was always in gifted program as a
as a child. I started going to college in fifth grade.
So by the time I got to college age, I
had a lot of college credits already. So I graduated
(17:03):
school fast.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Eel me.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
I graduated college fast, pursued football dreams, and I always
felt like, I said, you know what, I'm a little
bit sharper than all these guys. Yeah, you know, I'm
not just a jock. So I was like, man, my
body getting tore up, get concussions. You know, you can't
really read books and stuff anymore. You know. I used
(17:25):
to read encyclopedias as a hobby. So like I decided,
I mean, I'm gonna use my brain and start me
in business. And I knew all of the athletes and
stuff like that, so I'm writing security I already was
doing in the neighborhood, like drug deals and stuff like that.
And then I know, I just started to feel like
when you start to deal with different cultures of people,
you know, like I don't know if I just say
(17:47):
that I know some guys that are some triad guys, right,
they wouldn't distribute certain products in their own neighborhood.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
And that was a profound to me.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I see my own people doing it, though, So I
learned the importance of being cultured at that point because
my mom's a school teacher, and she used to always say,
it's not a normal kid, Like, how do I handle him?
You feel me because I never had a problem being violent,
but I always had a problem with who it was toward.
(18:25):
I don't believe I'm picking on the week. I don't
want to fight somebody who can't fight. I don't want
to be I don't get no credit for destroying a
person who can even destroy me.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Tell me more about the things that are so impressive
about you.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
So your dad laid out this landscape.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
For you of who he wanted you to be in
a sense, and you've you've molded that with becoming this strength, this.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Protector, this superior person. How did you do this? How
did you take.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Being eight or nine years old with bodyguards protecting you,
shooting cats and become this Well.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
You would have mentioned a few seconds ago that my
dad laid out a pathway right. The paradox about that
is like my dad was looking like my first enemy.
So and he's no joke. No, this is just a dude,
a tough guy, stangers dude. Like you know, I knew
(19:40):
it was inspiring to me to be able to build
myself up to be able to one day challenge him.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh motivation, and I knew.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
I knew I better be ready theday.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I would challenge him because his nickname is devil man. Uh.
I wanted to be the opposite of him, cause you know,
I remember being a young guy coming to him about
you know, dating and stuff like that, and I always
aspired to be a husband, and you know he would
disagree with that. But I'm like, you're married to my mom,
(20:15):
and you don't want me to be a husband, and
you want me to be uh horrormongering per se.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
What's the what's the smirk that comes when you saw
they talk about him?
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Cause you know, I really don't like this guy.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, but you do.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I love him to an extent, but the same time,
I really don't. And sometime I get uncomfortable that I
haven't really been able to Uh he runs when I
when I'm coming if here's.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
I'm coming he please m I I get satisfactory from that.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
So you got your power back.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Absolutely. Most importantly, the ladies of my family got their
power back. Mmm. Yeah, I you know, I'm a pizzart
in my family, like none of my nieces and nephews,
little sister, nobody have a story them being abused. Uh,
nobody was sexually assaulted. Because you know, I'll admit you know,
(21:17):
I I went out my way to make sure people
feared me at times simply because the only thing that
me and respect is danger.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
So me being like the.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Cavilot people safe. I seen ladies be able to beat
addiction and be able to be matriarchist, and that's what
mattered to me. And every day I get messages from them,
my family, getting my flowers. They tell me that without me,
wouldn't be no family. So that's why I was smarting,
(21:50):
because it's like.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
How does it feel to say that without you there
wouldn't be a family.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
It's like the highest honor, especially being a African American man,
and the stereotypes that get pushed upon all types of men,
especially in my community, and to know that I'm the
opposite of that and I get my uh, subsequent praises
for it. It's a it's a it's a fulfilling experience.
(22:18):
This is one thing I smiled about daily.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Who you've become absolutely and what you've done absolutely definitely.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So take me back to school. What were you like
in elementary school?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Elementary school, I was trying to be the smartest man
in the world, like all. I wanted to go to Harvard.
I wanted to be a scientist. You know. I had
the highest test score in Chicago public school history. I
was always in a ninety nine percentile and always tested.
Even in high school. I had a perfect score on ACT.
Didn't even study. But they say I didn't study, But
(22:53):
I really was studying my whole life, so like, uh,
but nobody cared.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
About that though.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
It wasn't until I said I was a gangster that
people really paid attention to me.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Wait.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Wait, we're talking about education and you get attention as
a gangster.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Yeah, nobody cared that.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I was like my grandmother will always say he's a genius,
he gonna be the one to bring the family up.
So I never got a Whooper, I never got a
spak Am, I barely I never really had no discipline,
nary actions taken toward me. You feel me I was
a Yeah, my mom said I was an anomaly. If
(23:30):
she lives with me to this day, she said, I'm
living with my son. She said, no one has mistreated
me as my son. I'm in fifteen, So how would
she describe you.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
My mom always says this.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
She says, my youngest son, he might break your nose,
but he'll come to the hospital and pray what you
and pray for you. My oldest son, if he break
your nose, locked the hospital up because he may come
to finish the y'all. My mom says this, Yeah, what
(24:08):
do you think.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
I like?
Speaker 4 (24:13):
I like it because me being strong gay people in
my family uh something to stand on and build upon,
and they was able to. I'll wake up every day
with like messages from people in my film, some of
the ladies of my family telling me nothing never happened
to us because because of you people was didn't know
why I want to deal with you, so like it
(24:36):
paid off. It wasn't just for me. It wasn't just
for me because I'm like the last man really left
in the family. So how do you me and my brother?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
How did you find this place in life.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
With everything so immoral around you, and just we're talking gangsters,
we're talking so much violence, incarceration, all of this, and
you carried this threat of honor.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Honestly, my grandmother Jeanette rest in peace, Maha Nina, my
mother Sharon, they kept me in the church. They kept
me in the church. Like without being in church, there's
certainly those principles being instilled in me. I would have
went wayward, for sure, for sure. So like the things
I identified with with, like biblical literature and stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
You know, I've read seven different Bibles.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
I read the Koran, I read the Torah. You know,
I take bits and pieces some different things and applying
to myself, you know, I feel like a man without
rules and without some something to believe in. You know,
your soul could be up and for sale. And I
always felt that my soul won't be for sale. That
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no matter what harm I've done, the policy of that
I've done would be my ticket, you know, to get
to heaven. Sure, that's what I believe in. And just knowing,
you know, they believed in me. They believed in me.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Your family, the women.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Ladies believed in me.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
They won't and they felt safe because.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Of your Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Absolutely, that's that's fucking powerful, because most women don't feel safe.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Fact every minute of every day.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Facts, there's a fact as a fact. You know, it
used to be legal to beat your wife in this country.
Women couldn't vote until the sixties. There are certain countries
where ladies couldn't drive until last year. And this is
the only species on the planet that are gonna carry life.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Suspicious, incredible, and it's time for a break.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
So take me to high school.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
High school, for me, my focus was.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Keep my grades up, get a scholarship to go play football, and.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
Have my way in the street.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Okay, so you're in high school, you're aspiring to be
in football, great grades, dad's in prison, you're the man
of the house, you're running the streets.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
How do you carry both?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I had a team. I always had a crew. I
always had a crew of guys. I'll be having the
same crew of homies for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Okay, I want to challenge you a little bit, talk
me because that's the humble part that I kind of
want to smack. It's not the community entirely, it's you.
So what in you kept you going forward?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
And building your legacy. How did you do it? Where
is your strength?
Speaker 6 (28:05):
My strength.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Is sometimes it being People would say that sometimes I'm
too humble, But you know, I'm kind of a conceited
guy in times because you know, I know, any room
I go in, I'm probably the most dangerous guy there.
I know, I'm a pretty intelligent person. You know, anytime
I go into a room, I got a plan to
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kill everybody just in case, you know, not maliciously.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
So you have this intellectual capacity to run a room,
you can carry it. You have the emotional capacity to
calm yourself and be present for sure.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
You never, as a man, should ever make an emotional decision.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
So you're running through Hay School, You're running the streets.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, you have your community, but you are growing as
a man definitely, So who's the man after high school?
Speaker 6 (29:03):
After high school?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
My purpose I was like, you know what, it's time
to become a millionaire. Because when you're doing bodyguard work
for people, and like you see the confidence that like
rich dudes have.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
And there's something real.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
That's be the question I say, without this money, would
you have the same confidence. So, like people always say
that they can't tell if I got a hundred dollars
or a hundred thousand dollars, Like that's like the true
measure of a man in me, like calm, collective leader
at all times. You know, sometimes you gotta be wild,
most times you gotta be stoic. And I'll just try
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to live by that.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
How did you change when you started this, becoming a
part of this industry, getting paychecks, being amongst such wealth.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Truth is, I didn't change, And that's what really led
to me to be here, because about what have changed?
Then I'm gonna be a participant in this lascivious activity
that people got going on, and I'm looking down on
these guys. Once I found myself looking down on the
people that everybody was worshiper, I knew at that point, like,
you know what, Keith, you a little bit different, and
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you should just stay your course because you know, it's
just no amount of money that you can give me
for you to put me in a compromising position for
the thought of having a position as some record label.
Have you ever heard of an internship to be a
police officer? You ever heard of an internship to be
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a plumber or a doctor.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
No, this is the only industry where.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
People come and work for free for the thought to
be in the gliss and glamour strange.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
So to me, that's grooming, that's abusive authority.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Same thing absolutely her percent right.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
So at what point does that take over someone's mindset, vision, desire,
ability to see who.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
They really are?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Oftentimes I heard the term that you don't know who
you are until you have some money, right, And then
I would see people get money and now they're delving
off on the things they normally wouldn't do. And then
you see the guy who gets a big bag of
money and he's still in his hand deciding you that's me, Yeah,
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cause you know I'll get money, but I got the
same outfit two hundred times.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, but you diamonds.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Absolutely, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
And then like people will say, all your diamond's real,
I'm like, buddy, I was getting four hure thousand dollars
checks in twenty twelve and my wardrobe is not sitting
in my closet.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
So you know, so.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
We're jumping into kind of industry talk.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Let's jump.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Can I ask you who are the good guys?
Speaker 6 (32:09):
Well, before I answered this, you gotta cheer some GULEI
with him.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I don't want to fuck up the microphone and the
cup placement. Cheers to the good guys.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
The good fight has no beginning date and no end date.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
How many cliches do you want to use?
Speaker 4 (32:29):
As many if necessary?
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Do you have PTSD?
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I did the traumatizer. I'm not traumatized.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Do you have nightmares?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Nope?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Really?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Who are?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
But you do?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
You do guard even when you're not on guard?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Absolutely, definitely. Your husband mentioned that they said this is
just what you do. Yeah, absolutely, he.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Does it too. He's got PTSD.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Maybe he's just a man.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I don't know. Then you're seeing a lot of men
are just straight up pussy's.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Most men are because certain guys wouldn't get celebrated if
all men were created equal.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Future goals.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I have a project going on right now called the Colony.
As a website called the Colony that Life. We purchased
a large swathes land. I have a project where five
hundred families are donating two thousand dollars to create a
colony of people, like minded people to have a self
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sustaining community, that is that is governed by a board
of like minded people, where people can live peacefully amongst
each other.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
It sounds like a colt.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
A colt usually has a disillusioned leader, not a board
of people that get voted in.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Where is this? How much is it? What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (34:17):
So? Per household is two thousand bucks. The land is
located in Texas. Your two thousand dollars get you a
container home, a certain amount of square feet on the land.
Gonna have a f uh solar power station, the power
of farms and the dig a well, build a lake,
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build a little bunker just in case natural disasters, and uh.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Justlea will there be freak offfs.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Uh freak coffs will not be allowed on the property
due to the fact that, uh, if we see any
loads of baby oil getting shipped in, you gonna get
voted off the premises. You might even get a slap
or two cause we're gonna have children there.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, okay, I love your integrity. I worry about your
public perception, your public persona, now that you're speaking out.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
The other day at the grocery store, a little old
lady about seventy walked up and hugged me, And I'm like,
why is this lady grabbing me? You feel me?
Speaker 6 (35:23):
Because you know I let nobody get close to me
like that.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
But the way she walked up and she grabbed me,
and then she put out her phone and said, I
was watching you, young man, and you're a big handsome fella,
and she just walked away that right there. You know.
Always told my mom, you know, pray for me, but
also pray for my enemies though, because my mom, I'm
not gonna cry.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
I'm real good at what I do, so I smiled.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Mostly.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I believe you than you can I be in this
inner circle.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Now, absolutely absolutely, you can't highly recommended to are You're
really genuinely cool? Though?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
That's nice.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
You a shark.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I'm straightforward.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
Yeah, most women should be straightforward.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
But I've also been fucked in life. So Bill's character
so big question.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Sure, how do you explain this to the kids in
our world growing up and wanting to be in this industry?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
What do you say to my daughter who's.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Seven years old and wants to be an actress and
a musician.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I would tell her parents to homeschool her and remove
the high pad and iPhone.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Really yeah, I wouldn't tell.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
The kid that, really, yeah, children are being raised by devices. Now,
parents got to work. Parents, gotta have a life. If
they raise is by technology. You know they're banning social
media in certain countries and states, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
And censoring it.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah, even world we live in.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
So how do you explain, Honey?
Speaker 2 (37:20):
You could be you could be an incredible singer, but
this is the culture you'd be entering into.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
That's why I'm thirty six years old, never had anybody pregnant,
only had one relationship, never had any children.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
You don't want kids.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I don't believe I can keep my children safe.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Really no, I don't because of the world, absolutely, and
I don't want to have small children in case certain
things that are.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
The United States military just said soldiers to secure the
Alaskan border. There are Russian warships sixty miles outside of Florida.
China has a plan to be the superpower by twenty fifty.
They're harassing every ship in the China Sea. They have
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extermination vans. Execution vans. You violate the law and you
have a low social credit score. They send this van
in your house, execute you into that you don't go
back to your apartment.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
So if you could give a commencement speech to college undergrads,
what would it be?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Leave college now get a trade, start a business, and
vote to abolish all political parties.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
But they just graduated.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Yeah. I just paid off my mom's student loan. She's
been a teacher fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, that's incredible.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Just two loans was one hundred and thirty thousand. Should
never make that much in a year.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
No, So, in a sense, you're saying, find yourself in
who you are and not be influenced or impact by
the media or the world.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
And where, especially in America, we're pushing people.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Most of the things we eat in this country are
illegal everywhere else. I would tell people, find your cause,
enricher family, don't seek so much validations for strangers. Be
as good of a human as you can be, but
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be prepared to be a dark form of yourself to
keep you on yourself safe. No matter how good of
a person you are, there are things that do go
bump in the night. The boogeyman comes in several forms.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I completely agree.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I think we all have a dark side, a psychopath
in us that we call upon, and if he's present
too often, that's bad. But we need to know he's there,
and we have to name him.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Bingo, what's yours called.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Gordo, Gordo why uh so, well, let me correct something.
My nickname most of my life was always killer. And
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you gotta know that you're capable of being darker than
the darkest force if you want to live. If you're
using this darkness as a tool to win, you're not
really being dark. You're adapting to win. But then you
got to be able to pull yourself back out because
if you stay there now you all let people down
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and love you choose peace, choose low, but be prepared
to be vicious.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
So where's Gordo stay?
Speaker 6 (41:19):
And once you come out, he's always out.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
And if he stays, I'm not outside home And how
a drink and goulett.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Yeah, but Joe, thank you for doing this with me.
Speaker 6 (41:51):
Thank you for thank you e for reaching out so quick.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
You know, growing up, everyone told me that I wasn't
allowed to be the conscience for the community, and I
told them all the funk off.
Speaker 6 (42:02):
You know what that is?
Speaker 4 (42:05):
You got gump shore, So do you and a lot
of places most people don't really like a lady who's
gonna look you in the eyes and tell you you're
full of ship.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
I'm looking at my own reflection.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
That's that's that's something that's going on because you know,
you know one shock and recognize another.
Speaker 6 (42:29):
I like this all black, you got on too. I
gotta salute you. You might be a real Google gang member.
Now we'll have to get you inducted.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
So I call my dark side the panther.
Speaker 6 (42:41):
Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
She seeks vengeance and she will ruin you until October.
Speaker 6 (42:51):
So so what you say you got a mean streak.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
I don't forgive.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
Ever, what's innocent about that is I always live by
a term God forgives. I don't because I'm just a man.
I never wanted to take on that pressure to forgive somebody.
And I know they're wrong, they know they're wrong. If
I forgive them, I'm opening up of space for them
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to do it to me again.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
You're perpetuating the bad behavior being goal which you're stopping.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
And your life goal is just that, which is fucking incredible.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Hey, you know there were times where I said, you know, what,
is it really worth it? But after the last five
or six months, it was worth it. It's like people
in my inbox saying because of you, I got courage
to speak out because of you. Now, how I feel
safer because of you doing this. Like, it's a lot
of people in my inbox with really interesting testimonies, and
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I seen evil things, and seeing those type of things
really give me a good feeling because most days I
don't really feel much, so I get to feel something
that's cool. Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
You're changing the world, and it's time to stop changing
the world one by one.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
It's time to start on a bigger platform.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
My mom told me I was changing the world this morning.
So for you to say that right now, it's pretty profound.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah. Can I take her out for dinner like Applebee's?
What is she like?
Speaker 6 (44:41):
Right? So?
Speaker 4 (44:42):
You know my mom?
Speaker 6 (44:44):
My mom is sixty three.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Oh my god, she's young.
Speaker 6 (44:47):
Yeah, yeah, you know, school teacher.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Right now, she's been shopping all day at the Third Store,
her little dog. She put Melly in the stroller and
they get to moving around. So she had liked that.
Speaker 6 (44:59):
She like cheese. She's like wearing like the heels and
stuff you get on. Yeah, she'll she will indulge in
that for sure.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Are you adore her?
Speaker 6 (45:14):
Absolutely? Absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
You know, I seen my mom getting mistreated and I've
seen her raising two little boys alone. I've seen her
escape poverty. I've seen her work two jobs. I've seen
her be a lifelong educator. I've seen her on a
fixed income. You know, I was wearing the size fifteen
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shoes in sixth grade, and I got a little brother
who's just as big as me. I've seen her make
the impossible happen alone. And I told her, as soon
as I'm big enough, nobody will ever play with you again.
So when I hear her on the phone, I hear
her co worker saying, Sharon, why are you always so smiling?
Why you're so happy? Because ain't nobody mistreated me? My
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son is scared everybody a way. That means a lot
to me, because when I couldn't defend myself, she defended me.
She's the one, you know. She raised King call.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
Sure, and the way he was looking for that white lady,
That's how I'm became. I'm looking for her. You play
on my mama.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Sure everyone needs a Gordo.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
That's a good shirt, right then, yes, sir, and y'all
heard the doctor say that, not me. Jack.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
You've been in a lot of situations that are life
or death.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
But when did morality come into play?
Speaker 4 (46:55):
I always operated with a certain amount of moral compass
or due to the fact that the principles that my
mom and that the ladies and my family instilled into me.
But this question has certain amount of significance for me
because I was in a shootout before and a buddy
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of mine lost his eye. I lost my front royal teeth,
and I'll take these out like this sashed.
Speaker 6 (47:35):
There was an altercasion that took place.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
There was some gentlemen who had pulled an act on
a young lady and there was a retaliation.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
For that and the fact that we stuck up for
this young lady.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
There was a group of guys who didn't appreciate that,
so they took it upon themselves to take part in
my demise, and uh, unfortunately for them.
Speaker 6 (48:10):
They just wasn't on the same level.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Because it's not violence that separates men, it's the distance
that those men are willing to go that separate men.
So oh, there was opportunities that we could have took
action upon people who were far removed from the situation,
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because the people that was really in the crosshairs were
actively hiding. So your more was coming to place. When
you see somebody who was directly connected to somebody you
want to really get your hands on. But this is
a woman with childre there's rules of engagement. You either
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bye by these things or you're no longer a pillar.
Now you're a monster. And that's really where morality morality
came to a head for me personally. I've seen my
own blood. Me and my team have had several bloody days.
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This is this is the bloodiest one. And I'll send
you footage of this. I'll send you photos and stuff
like that.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
You know, I was eating a slice of pizza and
I've seen this part right here where I got a
skin graph right here, seen a chuck of.
Speaker 6 (49:37):
My arm fly off, and I'm like, damn, they're shooting in.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
We get to the car now it's a little chase
going on. It's exchange of gun fire in traffic ends
up being a car crash. I'll send you the footage.
I got eyepatch and my you know, I couldn't go
to relate to the hospital. We had first say kids.
We passed ourselves up. One of my buddies, we had
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to all anty up for him to get plastic surgery
because he lost his eye. His nose was hanging off
his face. A two two, three bullets went across his face,
and I was real angry for about thirty seconds. All
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best was off my moral compass that got tucked away,
And I said, no, how how would my grandmother feel?
Because you know I was I scrutinized people for not
helping her across the street before.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Did your moral compass get tucked away? Or did did
justice become more clear?
Speaker 6 (50:52):
Wasn't it? You know, justice is.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
The right thing. But talionis means eye for an eye,
and I was more along that line.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 4 (51:07):
Uh huh. I never harmed anybody who didn't deserve it,
and at that point in time, people didn't deserve it.
What's on the radar? So I had to untug it
real quick. But okay, DoD, if you do this, you
just like these pieces of garbage and everything you did
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right now gets wiped away. People start flooding the phone, like, look,
his baby mother is here, she does here, here's auntie
works here because there was a woman who got shot. Well,
it's my homie shot top Google. You know, when his
baby mother got shot? Women and kids should never be
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involved in this type of dark activity.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
So are you saying you broke your moral compass in
that moment?
Speaker 4 (51:56):
I felt like I broke it and I kind of
let myself down at that time, but I was able to.
Speaker 6 (52:04):
Circumvent that immediately.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
That was a moment where you you realized.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
We almost became on the ninety seven percent of bad
people that.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
So you had insight and you took that and you
became you.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
Yeah, because you know my name getting mentioned with reverence,
I get a heroes welcome a lot of places where
I go. That all goes away the moment you pull
an act that is not honorable. I was always cogressant
that thanks to man, Granny and my mom.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
So you had seconds of losing the honor thirty seconds.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
Get yourself back because I got a group of guys
looking at me. They ain't going me to make the
calls a big bro say this. We were going off
the deep end and I stopped. Someone of them resented before.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
I'd rather have that and never again. I just want
to touch on too, like you look good.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
You look like you're not a fucking war battled scart
up shot up guy.
Speaker 6 (53:19):
I definitely got scars, but you're.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
You got scars? Like what's happened to your body through
all this?
Speaker 6 (53:30):
Uh take off the hat.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
You lost your hair?
Speaker 6 (53:35):
You see this? You see this line on my forehead.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
I've had my uh my head got busted.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Uh yeah, I get from what.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
Mhm uh. Some guys wanted the vitality against me. They
set up a little hand bushed aside of a nightclub.
Hit me with a bottle, stab.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Me and uh stabbed you with a bottle.
Speaker 6 (54:04):
No, hit me with a bottle and I got stabbed
in my side with a knife.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Okay, so you got stab wounds.
Speaker 6 (54:09):
Yeah, I got stab wones.
Speaker 4 (54:10):
I got bullet wounds I got I've had several surgeries.
I've had torn meniscus, I got a torn a c
L and m c L. Right now, I just don't
identify being weak. You know, I'm not gonna reveal no
weaknesses to you. I want a limp, but I'm not
gonna limp. I'm not gonna reveal no weaknesses at all.
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You know, I'll just grimace on the inside. That's cool.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Uh, I think you're incredible.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
I mean, like before we got together today, I cut
my toe and I've been limping all that.
Speaker 6 (54:40):
And right right, and you know sometime you got a limp.
Speaker 4 (54:49):
But you know I got to torn mcl m cl
and this need right here, and uh man, I.
Speaker 6 (54:58):
Was, I was on crutes and stuff like that. But
like if you can't, man, you just you make a choice.
Speaker 4 (55:06):
Yeah, either you gonna be a mountain or a pebble
that will get picked up and skipped across the water.
Speaker 6 (55:14):
Can't move that mountain. I'd rather be a mountain.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
So you're incredible.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Likewise, No, seriously, I what your upbringing in the streets,
and your life usually turns into.
Speaker 4 (55:36):
My mom says, it's the same thing you're you're about
to say.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
Is somebody who's worked in prisons and hospitals, in jails
for up to twenty years.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
I can't. I don't know one person who chose.
Speaker 4 (55:50):
Morality, because morality is never the easy choice.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
And it doesn't pay, no, don't.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
I used to sell myself and said, you know what,
bro some days, you know, I don't even know this
is worth it. People used to call me Captain saber
Hoo because I wouldn't let a lady get killed by
a man. Sometimes it was women who said this to me.
These same women would later call me when they getting
when somebody coming home showing up, what the rockets cooking?
(56:27):
And they're like, oh my god, I gotta call BH.
I got footage of women police officers calling me because
our boyfriend is beating them.
Speaker 6 (56:41):
Won't leave their house. They calling me. Dudes, can hear
my name?
Speaker 4 (56:47):
They say all fuck no, no, no no they had
doguard name. Oh no, no, no, we'll they want to see food.
All we just gonna leave my baby's sister. This boy
acts like he don't want to leave my house. What
he heard he was coming? Never mind, he just left.
(57:12):
It pays to rule with an iron fist because if
people know you got that iron fist, most times you
don't gotta swing.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
Last question, sure, how do you differentiate between fear and empowerment?
Speaker 4 (57:31):
I can honestly say I don't know where fear he
is and empowerment is a duty. Ah. I feel like
fear and respect sometime can be the same thing. But
at the same time, I fear no man, I fear
(57:54):
no circumstance because with proper preparedness, preparewareness, and where adequate
situational awareness, you can prevent most tragedies. So if there
is a crisis. The confidence that you build is gonna
help you get through that crisis.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
So it starts on the inside.
Speaker 6 (58:18):
Yeah, it's got to be in you. It's got to
be in you.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
And then you build it and you learn and you
educate with your community.
Speaker 5 (58:26):
And your skills absolutely and all your training absolutely for sure.
Speaker 4 (58:32):
The training is definitely important because you know you gotta
be leaked to with your as. If people call weapons,
I call them tools. You know that bag over there
is full of tools. Some will call them weapons where
it's full of tools. I'm never any place that I'm
(58:54):
not armed. And if I pull out a firearm, if
you see me, I'm not gonna just brandish a gun.
I'm not gonna brandish a night. I don't want you
to know I have this. So if I'm pulling it out,
I'm gonna use it now. So you know, no one
(59:16):
is scared of the guy that's always waving his gun
around because he's not using his gun. They scared of
that gun going off. People are afraid of the guy
they know these dudes are killers. They always calm and
they always polite, But the most dangerous guys, they gonna smile, drink,
Gulai with you. The mama doesn't try the danger, though
(59:42):
things get shown. Cheers to death, cheers.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Thank you for listening to another episode of intentionally Disturbing.
Speaker 1 (59:56):
I've got to run and get back to reading about
this diddy K
Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
See you next time.
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