December 20, 2025 • 25 mins
Miss Finland 2025 has been stripped of her title after a photo was posted of her pulling her eyes and smiling with the caption “Eating with a Chinese." But the controversy grew even bigger when several members of the Finnish Parliament recreated their own, exceptionally racist photos and posted them online in solidarity with Miss Finland. The Prime Minister has apologized to Asian nations, but now there is talk of a tourism boycott and an even larger conversation about racism in this world.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
A there, folks, it is Saturday, December twentieth, and we
are shaking our heads and our mouths are dropped at
an absolutely ridiculous story. Out of all places, Finland the country,
the leader has had to apologize to Asian countries essentially
all of them. Why because there's something a beauty pageant
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contestant did.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy A TJ. Rodes.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
You pointed this story out to me and I didn't
think it was that big of a deal, but this
is this is nuts, folks. To explain what's going on.
A Miss Finland lost her title because of a social
media post.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Fair to say, yes, she was Miss Finland.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Her name is Sarah joff I'm trying to figure how
to say it's job se okay joff Set, Let's go with.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
It, Sarah joff Set.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
But we'll just refer to her as the former Miss
Finlay and from now on. But it's one thing to
read about what she did in the social media post
and to hear her I'm sorry lame defense of why.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
She says, oh, let's give her a break.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
But when you look at the photo that was posted,
and then you look at what happened afterwards. It actually
is something you have to see to believe, because you
can't believe, at least I can't in twenty twenty five,
knowing that you are a international figure now representing your
country and you felt perfectly fine putting that photo up,
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and then you're defended.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
So sh wait. A couple things.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
She won Miss Finland, she did okay, and she participated
in the Miss Universe. She did pagine right, okay, So
this is who we're talking about, folks, and she has
lost her title because.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Controversy one was the fact that she posted, excuse me,
a picture got out that was posted on social media
of her pulling the corners of her eyes, and the
caption to remind me said.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
What eat like a Chinese? Yes, eat with the Chinese?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Sorry, eating with the Chinese. There it is, eating with
the Chinese, is what it said. Now you can put
together from the description I just gave about the picture
what they were trying to do and how they thought
they were being funny. Now, Robes, this is a twenty
two year old woman. She this is how she explained,
at least for a moment. We'll explain how she explained
what happened. She says she was at dinner with a
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friend and she had a headache and she was pulling
or gesturing at the corner of her eyes, kind of
trying to relieve the headache, if you will. The friend
took the picture and then put the picture up with
that caption, and the beauty contestant says she had nothing
to do with it, but that thing went around and
went viral. Now that's not why the Finnish Prime Minister
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is apologizing. He's having to do that because some people
came to her defense Robes after she lost her title
in a huge racism controversy. Correct, some came to her defense,
Some leaders came to her defense, and the controversy continues
because of how they chose to show their support.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yes, several members of parliament, they've been described as right
leaning members of parliament.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Let's going far right, far right, okay, far right members
of parliament. And I saw at least four of them.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I don't have an exact number, but I've seen, and
you've seen four different pictures of lawmakers elected officials in
the country of Finland decided in solidarity in support of
Miss Finland and they were upset that she lost her crown.
They too posted pictures of themselves on social media, pulling
the corners of their eyes and in one of the
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photos even making a very racist facial expression, trying to
imitate someone who is of Asian descent. It is actually
it's insane to see that they felt totally comfortable and
perfectly justified putting the photos out.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
They yeah, they didn't get caught doing They intentionally did
this to show, what they say, support for her. But
how do you show support for her when she's even
apologizing for what she's doing as being racist.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It's weird because you had Miss Finland say that basically
wasn't me.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I had nothing to do with this.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I didn't mean for it to look like I was
imitating an Asian person.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
My friend did it.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
But then she did apologize, so at least there's that
in a very public way at a press conference.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yes, her quotes here, one of the most important things
for me is respect for people their background and differences.
I take responsibility for my actions and we'll learn from this. Now, Robes,
let's take a couple of things here. You know what
you listened to it, I wasn't paying as close of attention.
But now we know the controversy. But you went back
and looked and heard her explain. She was asked a question,
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how why would you why should you be Miss Universe?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Correct?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
So this is in the days leading up, and we
watched the Miss Universe pageant actually, and it was it
was wildly entertaining.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
We actually saw it all in Spanish and still oh yeah,
enjoyed our school. It was in telemovie who was putting
it out?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, but I watched a pre pageant day interview with
her with some of the members of Asian Press. I
mean they were in an Asian country. They were in Bangkok. Yes,
they were in Thailand. So you can hear the Asian
reporters asking her questions. They were all doing it in English,
obviously that was their way to communicate. But she talked
about the reason why she should be Miss Universe as
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Miss Finland because she's somebody who is a kind person,
who is warm hearted, and the only thing she wants
is peace and love for the world. So I just
found that very oh so a generic but be ironic
given what she did days after the pageant.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Okay, let's go into her explanation, right, she has, and
she fully apologized, and they took the title from her,
took the crown. Fine, but we've seen the picture. Is
there any way we can buy What she's saying is
that I had a headache and I was just gesturing,
you know, trying to relieve it the corners of my
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almost saying her temples. We've all done that before. But
given what we saw, do you buy? Should we leave
some room that maybe that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Here's my guess. I'm listening, and this to me makes
the most sense. It may have.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I think when people lie, or when they're trying to
defend themselves, they'll take.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
A morsel of truth. So my guess is maybe.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
At that dinner, they had had a little bit to drink,
so they were a little loose and happy and laughing
and being silly like girls are sometimes, and she might
have had a headache and she might have been doing that,
and her friend might have made a comment like, oh
my god, you look whatever, and then took a picture
of it. Because she's laughing, so she's she's pulling her
She's not touching the temples of her head anymore. She
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is I am a headache, offfer I know what you
do when you have a throbbing headache.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
You hit the temples. You're not pulling your eyes.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
And she has a huge smile on her face. Yes,
I am looking at the same photo.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Anyone who's listening to us, if you have not looked
at these photos, please do so because you will be
able to make your own assessment and then make sure
you look at the lawmakers who then because those pictures
are significantly worse at least one of them.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Is what is this here that this part of your
eye that she's touching will be considered.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
That's an eyelid.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
That's your eyelid.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Nobody has a headache and grab your eyelid. She's pulling
the eyelids.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
She's not pushing against her temples.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Big smile and she's not pulling.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yes, if you have a headache and you're suffering and
you're trying to relieve pain, you're not smiling.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
So my guess is she.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Might have been doing that, and in doing so, her
friend might have come, oh wow, you look whatever, and
then they might have made a joke about it, and
that's why her friend posted it thinking it was funny.
That is how I would. So she's saying, oh, I
was doing it because I had a headache. Maybe it
did start off like that. I would give her that,
but then obviously it went further and they did.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
That's not releaving a headache.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Pulling your eyelids, that's the part. If she had a headache,
I don't give a damn. If she had a migraine,
you cannot. This is don't talk to me like I'm stupid.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I'm looking at the picture exactly. Okay, So just own it.
If you're going to own it, yes, but don't tell
me I don't. Yeah, y'all, just don't get it. I
had a headache. Folks, if you see this picture, it's
almost comical that she went with that.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Excuse me, I'm embarrassed for her.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, no way that that's what that picture depicts. And
to then throw your friend under the boss and say,
I mean and all of that might be somewhat true.
Like I said, I think there's always like some morsel
of truth when people tell stories or when they're defending
themselves to try and justify.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
What they did.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
And I do give her credit that at least she
did ultimately apologize, but it was certainly lessened by the
fact that she tried to throw her friend under the
buss and deny the intention of making fun of Asian people.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And again it rises to a level when you have politicians. Again,
I don't know anything about finished politics, obviously we don't
keep up with that, but this is it happening everywhere?
Do you have these folks everywhere politicians? Do you have
leaders who just don't give a damn and can make
obviously clearly racist gestures and not worried about not even consequences,
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but how it comes off.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
My supporters don't give a damn.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
They did this with not being necessarily worried or what's
going to come.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
No, it's one thing to if someone asks you about
it and you say something you regret, or you react
in a way that you didn't have time to prepare for.
This was a staged plan thing where they deliberately went
to their desks, took a picture of themselves that was
wildly racist, and then posted it for all to se
So that was a choice, and they had time to
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think about it, and they yes, did not fear any
sort of impunity.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
They feared zero consequences.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
There could be some consequences, robes. I didn't realize they
had such a huge Asian tourism business going over there
in Finland. So this is now folks are throwing around
the word boycott. Yes, so hey this could cost the country.
Don't get me wrong, it's not a huge country. I'm
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sure tourism is not overwhelming. But still they would like
to keep what they have. So this could have now
financial consequences or is this just going to go away.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I don't know what we learn other than this young lady,
she's twenty two years old. Maybe she learned something from this.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
But the problem is you can't just dismiss this as
child childish behavior.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
That's what I think a lot of folks are upset about.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
This isn't something that's funny or childish or immature.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
This is racism.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
And so I think a lot of I mean a
lot of folks who are Asian living in Finland are
talking about, Hey, this exists all the time in this
country and it's just accepted.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
It's not even considered racism. And that's their point.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
This isn't funny, this isn't childish, This isn't a stupid mistake,
This is blatant racism, and they want it labeled as such.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
That's what is the And I bring this up. I
can't remember the movie you told me about. I haven't
seen it where they had the Asian character and everybody
thought it was funny.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Back then it's sixteen Candles, okay, so and it was
long Duck Dong and he comes as a foreign exchange
student to live in the home of Molly Ringle, or
he came with her grandparents who adopted him.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Okay, this is the eighties.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Maybe in the eighties, there is zero chance you could
do that today, zero right chance.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Every time he spoke there would be like, you know
this like Gong Likeng.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
It was everything stereotypical you could think.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
About, with the accent, with some of the phraseology that
people then repeated that was very now looking back, of course,
incredibly racist and overgeneralizing the Asian accent and all of that.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
But yes, everyone laughed, everyone laughed.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
But you think about I'm seeing what these politicians are doing.
It's obviously unacceptable at any time. But the thing in
twenty twenty five, somewhere anywhere on the planet that leaders
like not just one or two or random they actually
got together and had this effort to poke fun and
to send a racist message out. That's incredible to me.
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I say, times are different, Times change, do they?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
And I'm curious.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
I always think like, okay, so you can feel totally
comfortable and don't fear any consequences doing this and making
this unbelievable gesture, racist gesture depicting Asian folks.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Could you do that? What would happen if you did
that to other cultures? To others? Like, I'm curious, is
there a line? Is there a boundary?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Or would they just is this an equal opportunity country
where they don't feel any concern about making fun of
someone who doesn't look like.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Them because it's overwhelmingly white, one color white.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
It's a very look all of the Nordic countries, the
Scandinavian countries, they are very.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Homogeneous, right, we are being very kind.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Why are we not saying just a bunch of white folks? Okay?
Why are we okay?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
We get it.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Well, I've been in Norway, We've been to Sweden.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yes, you know what you're getting when you go to
those countries. Yes, it's very.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
White, so too, I'm answering you're addressing your point, there's
not enough of a population to push back.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
So then you have other Asian countries who are now saying,
our only way to make our anger and our our
position known is to fight back financially. I mean that
is what people end up doing anyway. So yes, to
boycott Finland as a tourist destination will hurt the country.
There are already businesses saying they've had cancelations.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
They're feeling the heat of this.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
That Asian tour groups are saying, no, thank you, we're
not coming to Finland.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And I get that. That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You're in a place that you don't feel welcome, right
of course, not now because of the controversial excuse me
at what the politicians did?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Do you buy this statement here?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
That I mean the finished Prime Minister had to come
out and say something because he knows these fools have
put them in a difficult position, possibly in Finland, when
you're talking about losing possible tourism dollars and it just
looks bad on your country.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I think it's important the Prime Minister had to say something,
and he needed to say something.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Does it go far enough? Is the question? He may
believe everything he's saying in this statement, But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
If if I were from the outside looking in and
seeing the pictures and photos I saw, I would say, yeah,
that might be how you feel, but a lot of
folks in your country do not agree with you.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
We're good statement. I mean, it was standard stuff, right.
The Finnish government takes racial discrimination seriously and is committed
to addressing it. I mean the standard wasn't overwhelming, wasn't powerful,
and wasn't convincing.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Racism and discrimination have no place in finished society. YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA,
YadA YadA.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
That's fine. You put out what you have to.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
But folks, there is at least one way I will
try to make an attempt to defend this young lady
who has now made this awful mistake, and it has
to do with her age and Love Island.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Stay here, Welcome back, everybody to this episode of Amy
and TJ. Rose.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
We prepped, and we were ready and we were gonna
put this episode out, and we were getting ourselves ready,
and then we looked at some of these pictures and
our jaws were dropping, and I just reached over and
hit the button record and just started getting reaction. This
is an unbelievable story when you see the pictures. But yes,
we've been talking about Miss Finland. Former Miss Finland now
lost her crown after a social media post in which
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she had pulled the corners of her eyes and a
caption went with that post that said eating with the Chinese.
She's apologized, but robes Her reasoning was that she had
a headache and she was just trying to relieve it
by i don't know, massaging the corners of her eyes,
and her friend took a picture.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, and if you look at the picture, there's no
way you're that. You're no way you're buying that. And
then when you go and look at what these politicians
put up, it was significantly worse than what she did,
and it was one in particular dude even did like
an overbite that just really trying to basically mimic your
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stereotypical older Asian man.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
It's terrible. I actually feel sick.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Look, I mean, you don't know whether or not because
you almost want to laugh because it's so offensive.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
You don't even know.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
How to like emotionally respond to it. That's how that's
what that picture of oaks.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
It's just over the top and what I cannot believe.
I don't care who you are in society. I can't
imagine anybody owning that and putting it out on their own.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yes, I could see.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Someone getting drunk and with like a best friend who
you're joking with. Maybe you feel okay doing that. I'm
not saying it is okay, fine.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
But putting it in a photo and putting it on
social media.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
While you while you're a leader of your country, you
are a politician. You are someone who is supposed to
be upholding a certain standard, being an example to the
people in your country. You have a whole other heightened
sense of responsibilities when you are a leader. Now, look,
we could look at our own government and say similar things.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
But this, actually, we have talked about all of this
in our country. We have obviously a ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Amount of racial issues in our country. We get that,
But I have you seen anything this blatant and this
just there's zero concern about any question. Yes, that is
what blows my mind.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
But there's also a human decency.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I can't imagine being that mean to an entire group
of people. You're literally just making fun of them. Based
on just culture and how certain people look different. And look,
I don't know that guy from a Man on the Moon.
Maybe he thinks he's a stunningly handsome individual, But we
have individual looks, we have certain character rasis as black folks,
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white folks, Nordic folks, right from all over people look.
But to just take a whole group and you're just
you think it's funny the way some people look.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And he was over the top with his character.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
It's an old, old, lazy, even caricature if you will,
of Asian folks.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
This was tired, it was lazy.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
It's tired and lazy. That I totally agree with that.
And look, this is Finland did the right thing, and
the Miss Finland pageant organization did the right thing by
removing her title. That was I applaud that that was
the right thing to do. But then to have the
reaction in the country that they did to her actually
getting the punishment she deserved for her actions, that's what's scary,
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all right.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
So we haven't talked about this ahead of time, so
I'll throw this out. We haven't discussed, so I don't
know what your reaction is if I go, if I
were to defend this young lady in some way, I
would start with age.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Does that make any sense? Yes, she's twenty two years old.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yes, And I am surprised, even shocked sometimes at how
little folks in that age range. No, I'm not to
be offensive, but to not know that that would be awful.
To not know that, even in private, you shouldn't do that.
To not know that is surprising to me. And we
go back to Love Island this past season. In the
first two episodes, two people got kicked off.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Was that right?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yes, you are right, and it had to do with
some racial slur some thing. Both of them did different situations.
But Sierra or Tega, you remember that young lady. It
was an old post in which she threw out a
word and describing how when she smiles, her eyes can
get a certain way, and she used a certain word
that was a slur. And we came and we asked
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your daughters about it. We asked to being about it.
I don't know what that means. And I didn't know
that was offensive.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yep, they didn't even they hadn't even heard the word before,
because in a way, it was such an outdated racist
term that it isn't used often, so they didn't know
that it was something that would be considered racist and offensive.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
So, yes, I do think age has something to do
with it.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
I also think that, and I'm not defending the politicians
at all because they're old enough to know better. But
this twenty two year old, and yes you're talking about
Sierra or Tega, and I have daughters around the same age.
They think they know so much because of social media.
They have this false sense of security that they somehow
are with it and they know and they are woke,
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but they don't know what they One of the number
one things I say to my daughter probably an always
the hell out of her, but I say, you don't
know what you don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
That's hard to accept because they are engaged constantly.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
At least they feel.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yes, they feel like they have more information than anyone
did ever before in their generation. And that is true,
but it's filtered information, it's curated information. It's built on algorithms.
You don't actually get to see and.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Take in everything.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
And you might have this false sense that you are
but you're actually only getting a slice, a sliver of
what reality is.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Because yeah, because even your TikTok is curated for stuff
just you want. You're not getting a second opinion you've heard,
but you might.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Think you are. That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
You think you're you're looking at everything and hearing from everyone,
but you're actually you're actually the product of an algorithm.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
And obviously these are incredible tools that have been wonderful
and they do. It's wonderful they have more access to information,
but sometimes we worry about the information they have access
too and if they are looking at the stuff they
should be looking at. And again, what that is just
a diversity sometimes and a diversity of information. Look, if
this story can help bring it to somebody else's attention,
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like oh I didn't know people would offended by that,
or oh I didn't know that word was a bad word,
than fine. But we have to keep speaking on it,
not being angry and just talking this out when it comes.
But this is one you brought to my attention. And
when I first heard it, Miss Finland, I don't care
anything about Miss Finland. And then you told me the
next detail, and then the next detail like oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
And then we looked at the pictures and then it
was like holy, holy Moly, this is insane.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
But you know it's funny.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I was looking at some of the comments on some
of the social media posts, and a lot of people
are defending it, saying the world's gone mad, no one
can joke and have fun anymore. I used to make
my eyes bigger to mak the round eyed whites. So
some of the Asian folks are even saying, hey, we
even do this in our own photos.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Yes, obviously people, but there are still maybe even younger
I don't know who.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Say you explain that you do this all the time.
You tell me this all the time, And it's exactly
right to make some comparison that a minority group or
an underserved group is just as racist because they made
fun of a white person. It doesn't, It doesn't land
We have to accept it's not equal. This is not
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equal footing we're on. This is an underserved group. And
if you're telling me a white person making their eyes
more round, excuse me, an Asian person trying to make
their eyes more around is racist to white people.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's a cultural appropriation.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
If you have eyelid surgery to make your eyes look
more Caucasian, you're culturally appropriate.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
No, it's not the same.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
You cannot reverse it and the whole idea of reverse racism. Sorry,
but when you are white, you have privileges, You are
on a different you are on a different footing than
everyone else.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
You just are.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
It's okay, we're gonna historically speaking, we can all just
accept that. But some of the I just kind of
imagine anybody else you read through any other ways.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
They defended.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Some people.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Well, someone said they're finished. I did see that, but
actually they're not. They're going to be just fine. All
those politicians are keeping their job, so they're not finished.
Someone said, we used to do that all the time
when we were kids and where there were no snowflakes
in the neighborhood. So okay, ooh she made a Chinese face.
Oh no, so what my god? She was just acting silly,
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and so it's strange many Europeans do not know this
gesture is an insult to most Asians. Someone else said,
guess you would qualify to work in the Trump cabinet.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
So yeah, you know, people, people are going.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
We almost got through an episode without the Trump damn it.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yes, ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
She is not racist for joking and We must be
able to joke about everything. Life should be fun. Don't
be so serious and grumpy all the time. This is
from a guy named Peter Jacobson. So with the two
s is so clearly he is finish and I can
see his picture. He's white, said ridiculous. She is not
racist for joking, and we must be able to joke
about everything. Life should be fun. Don't be so serious
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and grumpy all the time.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Okay, I'm not calling this young lady racist, but she
made a racist gesture exactly. And what she did is
pushed racism in what she's doing and made it more
mainstream and more Okay, not calling her a racist, but
to say this behavior is okay, I'm going to have
a difficult time with. And to say this is just joking.
We can do this and insult anybody anytime, Well, no
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you can't, because the people who always get made fun
of are what non white?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
This is what.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
So, yes, everybody's screaming, hey, take a joke, when you're
the one making the goddamn joke exactly.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
It's easy for It's easy for us to say.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
It's easy for someone who looks like she does and
who operates in the world like she does and doesn't
even understand how different that world is.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
It's a different world than it is.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
And I just there's a lot of folks who I've
been reading, like, especially young folks who are Asian living
in Finland, and really this is broken open. Maybe it
creates a conversation that hasn't been had yet, and maybe that's.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
A good thing.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Right, well, we will leave it at that, and Miss Universe,
they should just shut this patch down.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
This is this was an insane year. Everything went wrong,
like everything, this.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Is just a cherry on top. Oh that's been a
mess at least, Miss West Mexico one.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Right, Yeah, that was a.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Nice That was actually a really nice full circle moment
how it began and how it ended.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
All right, folks, Well, as always, I appreciate you spending
some time with Oz. Hope your Christmas shopping is going
well and almost done.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
But now I'm DJ Holme, the behalf of my dear
Amy Robot will talk the alson
A there, folks, it is Saturday, December twentieth, and we
are shaking our heads and our mouths are dropped at
an absolutely ridiculous story. Out of all places, Finland the country,
the leader has had to apologize to Asian countries essentially
all of them. Why because there's something a beauty pageant
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contestant did.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy A TJ. Rodes.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
You pointed this story out to me and I didn't
think it was that big of a deal, but this
is this is nuts, folks. To explain what's going on.
A Miss Finland lost her title because of a social
media post.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Fair to say, yes, she was Miss Finland.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Her name is Sarah joff I'm trying to figure how
to say it's job se okay joff Set, Let's go with.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
It, Sarah joff Set.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
But we'll just refer to her as the former Miss
Finlay and from now on. But it's one thing to
read about what she did in the social media post
and to hear her I'm sorry lame defense of why.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
She says, oh, let's give her a break.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
But when you look at the photo that was posted,
and then you look at what happened afterwards. It actually
is something you have to see to believe, because you
can't believe, at least I can't in twenty twenty five,
knowing that you are a international figure now representing your
country and you felt perfectly fine putting that photo up,
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and then you're defended.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
So sh wait. A couple things.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
She won Miss Finland, she did okay, and she participated
in the Miss Universe. She did pagine right, okay, So
this is who we're talking about, folks, and she has
lost her title because.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Controversy one was the fact that she posted, excuse me,
a picture got out that was posted on social media
of her pulling the corners of her eyes, and the
caption to remind me said.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
What eat like a Chinese? Yes, eat with the Chinese?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Sorry, eating with the Chinese. There it is, eating with
the Chinese, is what it said. Now you can put
together from the description I just gave about the picture
what they were trying to do and how they thought
they were being funny. Now, Robes, this is a twenty
two year old woman. She this is how she explained,
at least for a moment. We'll explain how she explained
what happened. She says she was at dinner with a
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friend and she had a headache and she was pulling
or gesturing at the corner of her eyes, kind of
trying to relieve the headache, if you will. The friend
took the picture and then put the picture up with
that caption, and the beauty contestant says she had nothing
to do with it, but that thing went around and
went viral. Now that's not why the Finnish Prime Minister
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is apologizing. He's having to do that because some people
came to her defense Robes after she lost her title
in a huge racism controversy. Correct, some came to her defense,
Some leaders came to her defense, and the controversy continues
because of how they chose to show their support.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yes, several members of parliament, they've been described as right
leaning members of parliament.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Let's going far right, far right, okay, far right members
of parliament. And I saw at least four of them.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I don't have an exact number, but I've seen, and
you've seen four different pictures of lawmakers elected officials in
the country of Finland decided in solidarity in support of
Miss Finland and they were upset that she lost her crown.
They too posted pictures of themselves on social media, pulling
the corners of their eyes and in one of the
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photos even making a very racist facial expression, trying to
imitate someone who is of Asian descent. It is actually
it's insane to see that they felt totally comfortable and
perfectly justified putting the photos out.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
They yeah, they didn't get caught doing They intentionally did
this to show, what they say, support for her. But
how do you show support for her when she's even
apologizing for what she's doing as being racist.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It's weird because you had Miss Finland say that basically
wasn't me.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I had nothing to do with this.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I didn't mean for it to look like I was
imitating an Asian person.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
My friend did it.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
But then she did apologize, so at least there's that
in a very public way at a press conference.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yes, her quotes here, one of the most important things
for me is respect for people their background and differences.
I take responsibility for my actions and we'll learn from this. Now, Robes,
let's take a couple of things here. You know what
you listened to it, I wasn't paying as close of attention.
But now we know the controversy. But you went back
and looked and heard her explain. She was asked a question,
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how why would you why should you be Miss Universe?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Correct?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
So this is in the days leading up, and we
watched the Miss Universe pageant actually, and it was it
was wildly entertaining.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
We actually saw it all in Spanish and still oh yeah,
enjoyed our school. It was in telemovie who was putting
it out?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, but I watched a pre pageant day interview with
her with some of the members of Asian Press. I
mean they were in an Asian country. They were in Bangkok. Yes,
they were in Thailand. So you can hear the Asian
reporters asking her questions. They were all doing it in English,
obviously that was their way to communicate. But she talked
about the reason why she should be Miss Universe as
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Miss Finland because she's somebody who is a kind person,
who is warm hearted, and the only thing she wants
is peace and love for the world. So I just
found that very oh so a generic but be ironic
given what she did days after the pageant.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Okay, let's go into her explanation, right, she has, and
she fully apologized, and they took the title from her,
took the crown. Fine, but we've seen the picture. Is
there any way we can buy What she's saying is
that I had a headache and I was just gesturing,
you know, trying to relieve it the corners of my
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almost saying her temples. We've all done that before. But
given what we saw, do you buy? Should we leave
some room that maybe that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Here's my guess. I'm listening, and this to me makes
the most sense. It may have.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I think when people lie, or when they're trying to
defend themselves, they'll take.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
A morsel of truth. So my guess is maybe.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
At that dinner, they had had a little bit to drink,
so they were a little loose and happy and laughing
and being silly like girls are sometimes, and she might
have had a headache and she might have been doing that,
and her friend might have made a comment like, oh
my god, you look whatever, and then took a picture
of it. Because she's laughing, so she's she's pulling her
She's not touching the temples of her head anymore. She
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is I am a headache, offfer I know what you
do when you have a throbbing headache.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
You hit the temples. You're not pulling your eyes.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
And she has a huge smile on her face. Yes,
I am looking at the same photo.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Anyone who's listening to us, if you have not looked
at these photos, please do so because you will be
able to make your own assessment and then make sure
you look at the lawmakers who then because those pictures
are significantly worse at least one of them.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Is what is this here that this part of your
eye that she's touching will be considered.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
That's an eyelid.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
That's your eyelid.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Nobody has a headache and grab your eyelid. She's pulling
the eyelids.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
She's not pushing against her temples.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Big smile and she's not pulling.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yes, if you have a headache and you're suffering and
you're trying to relieve pain, you're not smiling.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
So my guess is she.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Might have been doing that, and in doing so, her
friend might have come, oh wow, you look whatever, and
then they might have made a joke about it, and
that's why her friend posted it thinking it was funny.
That is how I would. So she's saying, oh, I
was doing it because I had a headache. Maybe it
did start off like that. I would give her that,
but then obviously it went further and they did.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
That's not releaving a headache.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Pulling your eyelids, that's the part. If she had a headache,
I don't give a damn. If she had a migraine,
you cannot. This is don't talk to me like I'm stupid.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I'm looking at the picture exactly. Okay, So just own it.
If you're going to own it, yes, but don't tell
me I don't. Yeah, y'all, just don't get it. I
had a headache. Folks, if you see this picture, it's
almost comical that she went with that.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Excuse me, I'm embarrassed for her.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, no way that that's what that picture depicts. And
to then throw your friend under the boss and say,
I mean and all of that might be somewhat true.
Like I said, I think there's always like some morsel
of truth when people tell stories or when they're defending
themselves to try and justify.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
What they did.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
And I do give her credit that at least she
did ultimately apologize, but it was certainly lessened by the
fact that she tried to throw her friend under the
buss and deny the intention of making fun of Asian people.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And again it rises to a level when you have politicians. Again,
I don't know anything about finished politics, obviously we don't
keep up with that, but this is it happening everywhere?
Do you have these folks everywhere politicians? Do you have
leaders who just don't give a damn and can make
obviously clearly racist gestures and not worried about not even consequences,
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but how it comes off.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
My supporters don't give a damn.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
They did this with not being necessarily worried or what's
going to come.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
No, it's one thing to if someone asks you about
it and you say something you regret, or you react
in a way that you didn't have time to prepare for.
This was a staged plan thing where they deliberately went
to their desks, took a picture of themselves that was
wildly racist, and then posted it for all to se
So that was a choice, and they had time to
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think about it, and they yes, did not fear any
sort of impunity.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
They feared zero consequences.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
There could be some consequences, robes. I didn't realize they
had such a huge Asian tourism business going over there
in Finland. So this is now folks are throwing around
the word boycott. Yes, so hey this could cost the country.
Don't get me wrong, it's not a huge country. I'm
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sure tourism is not overwhelming. But still they would like
to keep what they have. So this could have now
financial consequences or is this just going to go away.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I don't know what we learn other than this young lady,
she's twenty two years old. Maybe she learned something from this.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
But the problem is you can't just dismiss this as
child childish behavior.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
That's what I think a lot of folks are upset about.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
This isn't something that's funny or childish or immature.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
This is racism.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
And so I think a lot of I mean a
lot of folks who are Asian living in Finland are
talking about, Hey, this exists all the time in this
country and it's just accepted.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
It's not even considered racism. And that's their point.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
This isn't funny, this isn't childish, This isn't a stupid mistake,
This is blatant racism, and they want it labeled as such.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
That's what is the And I bring this up. I
can't remember the movie you told me about. I haven't
seen it where they had the Asian character and everybody
thought it was funny.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Back then it's sixteen Candles, okay, so and it was
long Duck Dong and he comes as a foreign exchange
student to live in the home of Molly Ringle, or
he came with her grandparents who adopted him.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Okay, this is the eighties.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Maybe in the eighties, there is zero chance you could
do that today, zero right chance.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Every time he spoke there would be like, you know
this like Gong Likeng.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
It was everything stereotypical you could think.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
About, with the accent, with some of the phraseology that
people then repeated that was very now looking back, of course,
incredibly racist and overgeneralizing the Asian accent and all of that.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
But yes, everyone laughed, everyone laughed.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
But you think about I'm seeing what these politicians are doing.
It's obviously unacceptable at any time. But the thing in
twenty twenty five, somewhere anywhere on the planet that leaders
like not just one or two or random they actually
got together and had this effort to poke fun and
to send a racist message out. That's incredible to me.
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I say, times are different, Times change, do they?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
And I'm curious.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
I always think like, okay, so you can feel totally
comfortable and don't fear any consequences doing this and making
this unbelievable gesture, racist gesture depicting Asian folks.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Could you do that? What would happen if you did
that to other cultures? To others? Like, I'm curious, is
there a line? Is there a boundary?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Or would they just is this an equal opportunity country
where they don't feel any concern about making fun of
someone who doesn't look like.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Them because it's overwhelmingly white, one color white.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
It's a very look all of the Nordic countries, the
Scandinavian countries, they are very.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Homogeneous, right, we are being very kind.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Why are we not saying just a bunch of white folks? Okay?
Why are we okay?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
We get it.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Well, I've been in Norway, We've been to Sweden.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yes, you know what you're getting when you go to
those countries. Yes, it's very.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
White, so too, I'm answering you're addressing your point, there's
not enough of a population to push back.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
So then you have other Asian countries who are now saying,
our only way to make our anger and our our
position known is to fight back financially. I mean that
is what people end up doing anyway. So yes, to
boycott Finland as a tourist destination will hurt the country.
There are already businesses saying they've had cancelations.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
They're feeling the heat of this.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
That Asian tour groups are saying, no, thank you, we're
not coming to Finland.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And I get that. That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You're in a place that you don't feel welcome, right
of course, not now because of the controversial excuse me
at what the politicians did?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Do you buy this statement here?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
That I mean the finished Prime Minister had to come
out and say something because he knows these fools have
put them in a difficult position, possibly in Finland, when
you're talking about losing possible tourism dollars and it just
looks bad on your country.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I think it's important the Prime Minister had to say something,
and he needed to say something.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Does it go far enough? Is the question? He may
believe everything he's saying in this statement, But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
If if I were from the outside looking in and
seeing the pictures and photos I saw, I would say, yeah,
that might be how you feel, but a lot of
folks in your country do not agree with you.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
We're good statement. I mean, it was standard stuff, right.
The Finnish government takes racial discrimination seriously and is committed
to addressing it. I mean the standard wasn't overwhelming, wasn't powerful,
and wasn't convincing.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Racism and discrimination have no place in finished society. YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA,
YadA YadA.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
That's fine. You put out what you have to.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
But folks, there is at least one way I will
try to make an attempt to defend this young lady
who has now made this awful mistake, and it has
to do with her age and Love Island.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Stay here, Welcome back, everybody to this episode of Amy
and TJ. Rose.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
We prepped, and we were ready and we were gonna
put this episode out, and we were getting ourselves ready,
and then we looked at some of these pictures and
our jaws were dropping, and I just reached over and
hit the button record and just started getting reaction. This
is an unbelievable story when you see the pictures. But yes,
we've been talking about Miss Finland. Former Miss Finland now
lost her crown after a social media post in which
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she had pulled the corners of her eyes and a
caption went with that post that said eating with the Chinese.
She's apologized, but robes Her reasoning was that she had
a headache and she was just trying to relieve it
by i don't know, massaging the corners of her eyes,
and her friend took a picture.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, and if you look at the picture, there's no
way you're that. You're no way you're buying that. And
then when you go and look at what these politicians
put up, it was significantly worse than what she did,
and it was one in particular dude even did like
an overbite that just really trying to basically mimic your
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stereotypical older Asian man.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
It's terrible. I actually feel sick.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Look, I mean, you don't know whether or not because
you almost want to laugh because it's so offensive.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
You don't even know.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
How to like emotionally respond to it. That's how that's
what that picture of oaks.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
It's just over the top and what I cannot believe.
I don't care who you are in society. I can't
imagine anybody owning that and putting it out on their own.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yes, I could see.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Someone getting drunk and with like a best friend who
you're joking with. Maybe you feel okay doing that. I'm
not saying it is okay, fine.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
But putting it in a photo and putting it on
social media.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
While you while you're a leader of your country, you
are a politician. You are someone who is supposed to
be upholding a certain standard, being an example to the
people in your country. You have a whole other heightened
sense of responsibilities when you are a leader. Now, look,
we could look at our own government and say similar things.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
But this, actually, we have talked about all of this
in our country. We have obviously a ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Amount of racial issues in our country. We get that,
But I have you seen anything this blatant and this
just there's zero concern about any question. Yes, that is
what blows my mind.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
But there's also a human decency.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I can't imagine being that mean to an entire group
of people. You're literally just making fun of them. Based
on just culture and how certain people look different. And look,
I don't know that guy from a Man on the Moon.
Maybe he thinks he's a stunningly handsome individual, But we
have individual looks, we have certain character rasis as black folks,
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white folks, Nordic folks, right from all over people look.
But to just take a whole group and you're just
you think it's funny the way some people look.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And he was over the top with his character.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
It's an old, old, lazy, even caricature if you will,
of Asian folks.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
This was tired, it was lazy.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
It's tired and lazy. That I totally agree with that.
And look, this is Finland did the right thing, and
the Miss Finland pageant organization did the right thing by
removing her title. That was I applaud that that was
the right thing to do. But then to have the
reaction in the country that they did to her actually
getting the punishment she deserved for her actions, that's what's scary,
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all right.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
So we haven't talked about this ahead of time, so
I'll throw this out. We haven't discussed, so I don't
know what your reaction is if I go, if I
were to defend this young lady in some way, I
would start with age.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Does that make any sense? Yes, she's twenty two years old.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yes, And I am surprised, even shocked sometimes at how
little folks in that age range. No, I'm not to
be offensive, but to not know that that would be awful.
To not know that, even in private, you shouldn't do that.
To not know that is surprising to me. And we
go back to Love Island this past season. In the
first two episodes, two people got kicked off.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Was that right?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yes, you are right, and it had to do with
some racial slur some thing. Both of them did different situations.
But Sierra or Tega, you remember that young lady. It
was an old post in which she threw out a
word and describing how when she smiles, her eyes can
get a certain way, and she used a certain word
that was a slur. And we came and we asked
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your daughters about it. We asked to being about it.
I don't know what that means. And I didn't know
that was offensive.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yep, they didn't even they hadn't even heard the word before,
because in a way, it was such an outdated racist
term that it isn't used often, so they didn't know
that it was something that would be considered racist and offensive.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
So, yes, I do think age has something to do
with it.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
I also think that, and I'm not defending the politicians
at all because they're old enough to know better. But
this twenty two year old, and yes you're talking about
Sierra or Tega, and I have daughters around the same age.
They think they know so much because of social media.
They have this false sense of security that they somehow
are with it and they know and they are woke,
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but they don't know what they One of the number
one things I say to my daughter probably an always
the hell out of her, but I say, you don't
know what you don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
That's hard to accept because they are engaged constantly.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
At least they feel.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yes, they feel like they have more information than anyone
did ever before in their generation. And that is true,
but it's filtered information, it's curated information. It's built on algorithms.
You don't actually get to see and.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Take in everything.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
And you might have this false sense that you are
but you're actually only getting a slice, a sliver of
what reality is.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Because yeah, because even your TikTok is curated for stuff
just you want. You're not getting a second opinion you've heard,
but you might.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Think you are. That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
You think you're you're looking at everything and hearing from everyone,
but you're actually you're actually the product of an algorithm.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
And obviously these are incredible tools that have been wonderful
and they do. It's wonderful they have more access to information,
but sometimes we worry about the information they have access
too and if they are looking at the stuff they
should be looking at. And again, what that is just
a diversity sometimes and a diversity of information. Look, if
this story can help bring it to somebody else's attention,
(21:16):
like oh I didn't know people would offended by that,
or oh I didn't know that word was a bad word,
than fine. But we have to keep speaking on it,
not being angry and just talking this out when it comes.
But this is one you brought to my attention. And
when I first heard it, Miss Finland, I don't care
anything about Miss Finland. And then you told me the
next detail, and then the next detail like oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
And then we looked at the pictures and then it
was like holy, holy Moly, this is insane.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
But you know it's funny.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I was looking at some of the comments on some
of the social media posts, and a lot of people
are defending it, saying the world's gone mad, no one
can joke and have fun anymore. I used to make
my eyes bigger to mak the round eyed whites. So
some of the Asian folks are even saying, hey, we
even do this in our own photos.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Yes, obviously people, but there are still maybe even younger
I don't know who.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Say you explain that you do this all the time.
You tell me this all the time, And it's exactly
right to make some comparison that a minority group or
an underserved group is just as racist because they made
fun of a white person. It doesn't, It doesn't land
We have to accept it's not equal. This is not
(22:26):
equal footing we're on. This is an underserved group. And
if you're telling me a white person making their eyes
more round, excuse me, an Asian person trying to make
their eyes more around is racist to white people.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's a cultural appropriation.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
If you have eyelid surgery to make your eyes look
more Caucasian, you're culturally appropriate.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
No, it's not the same.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
You cannot reverse it and the whole idea of reverse racism. Sorry,
but when you are white, you have privileges, You are
on a different you are on a different footing than
everyone else.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
You just are.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
It's okay, we're gonna historically speaking, we can all just
accept that. But some of the I just kind of
imagine anybody else you read through any other ways.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
They defended.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Some people.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Well, someone said they're finished. I did see that, but
actually they're not. They're going to be just fine. All
those politicians are keeping their job, so they're not finished.
Someone said, we used to do that all the time
when we were kids and where there were no snowflakes
in the neighborhood. So okay, ooh she made a Chinese face.
Oh no, so what my god? She was just acting silly,
(23:29):
and so it's strange many Europeans do not know this
gesture is an insult to most Asians. Someone else said,
guess you would qualify to work in the Trump cabinet.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
So yeah, you know, people, people are going.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
We almost got through an episode without the Trump damn it.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yes, ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
She is not racist for joking and We must be
able to joke about everything. Life should be fun. Don't
be so serious and grumpy all the time. This is
from a guy named Peter Jacobson. So with the two
s is so clearly he is finish and I can
see his picture. He's white, said ridiculous. She is not
racist for joking, and we must be able to joke
about everything. Life should be fun. Don't be so serious
(24:08):
and grumpy all the time.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Okay, I'm not calling this young lady racist, but she
made a racist gesture exactly. And what she did is
pushed racism in what she's doing and made it more
mainstream and more Okay, not calling her a racist, but
to say this behavior is okay, I'm going to have
a difficult time with. And to say this is just joking.
We can do this and insult anybody anytime, Well, no
(24:30):
you can't, because the people who always get made fun
of are what non white?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
This is what.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
So, yes, everybody's screaming, hey, take a joke, when you're
the one making the goddamn joke exactly.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
It's easy for It's easy for us to say.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
It's easy for someone who looks like she does and
who operates in the world like she does and doesn't
even understand how different that world is.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
It's a different world than it is.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
And I just there's a lot of folks who I've
been reading, like, especially young folks who are Asian living
in Finland, and really this is broken open. Maybe it
creates a conversation that hasn't been had yet, and maybe that's.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
A good thing.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Right, well, we will leave it at that, and Miss Universe,
they should just shut this patch down.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
This is this was an insane year. Everything went wrong,
like everything, this.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Is just a cherry on top. Oh that's been a
mess at least, Miss West Mexico one.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Right, Yeah, that was a.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Nice That was actually a really nice full circle moment
how it began and how it ended.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
All right, folks, Well, as always, I appreciate you spending
some time with Oz. Hope your Christmas shopping is going
well and almost done.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
But now I'm DJ Holme, the behalf of my dear
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