October 3, 2025 • 22 mins
Diddy broke down in tears as his children testified on his behalf during his sentencing hearing today. The morning did not go well for the music mogul, with the judge ruling against him on several motions, and the prosecution revealing in a jaw dropping moment that Diddy had already booked speaking engagements in Miami starting next week, calling it “the height of hubris.”
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, folks, it is Friday, October, third sentencing day for Diddy.
They're on a lunch break as we speak, but we
wanted to hop on because it has been a morning
of developments and some of them jaw dropping. Welcome to
this episode of Amy and TJ Romes. We didn't know
how long this thing was going to go. They're taking
a lunch break, coming back at Too Eastern, still expecting
to hear from Diddy. But this morning, things right off
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the bat were not going his way. Right off the jump,
just hearing from the judge, you could tell he lost
a couple of or Diddy at least lost a couple
of arguments, if you will, with his attorneys and things
they were trying to get into the sentencing memo, and
we all kind of and a lot of reporters in
the room that we are grateful for. There was a
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tone to where things weren't going his way well, and.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It's the tone that we've heard from this judge. It
feels like since the onset, and certainly as we've seen
Diddy over the last several months try to eat, get
out on bail, awaiting sentencing, trying to get charges or
convictions thrown out, and the judge has not sided with
him one single time from what I can recall. So
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he's consistent and he's staying on brand today.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
That's a very good point. The judge didn't surprise us
at all with what he did. Off the top, we'll
explain that this start at ten o'clock this morning. All
of Didy's kids are there, his mom is there. He's
described today as somber by some people in the courtroom
from the courtroom observers. But today he dressed very casually.
He's not in his prison uniform he's allowed to wear today,
at least he was allowed to wear street clothes and
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V neck, tan sweater or something like that today. Now,
headline one robes Mia, who testified under that pseudonym Mia
former assistant. She requested to address the court. We found
out immediately ain't happening.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
It ain't happening, and it didn't look good for Diddy
because his lawyers sent a note to the courts, to
the judge asking that she not be allowed to testify
because they claim she is not a victim. Now technically
did he was not convicted on the allegations made by Mia.
But even the judge ruled that the way the tone
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of the letter was that it was inappropriate. The prosecution
said that it was a bullying tactic by Diddy and
his defense team. So by them trying to get Mia
not to testify, which she is not going to, she
sent a letter instead, it didn't make them look good,
sympathetic or in any way despite his apologies that we've
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heard about, that didn't make him feel very sympathetic or
that he had learned anything at least through this court system.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Because the at least in their argument that she shouldn't
be able to testify, it didn't sound like they were
making legal arguments. It sounded very personal, and even the
prosecutor called it unprofessional. They flat out called her a liar.
This is all a show for her. She wants to
come back now and be a part of the show.
And I said to you this morning we were getting read,
I said, man, I wonder if that could be seen
as like like she's not going to show up because
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she might feel intimidated bullied. Yes, sure enough is exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
What happened, which is exactly what we've heard from people
like Cassi event to Refine, who say that's why they
don't want Ditty out because they say, sure, he's putting
on this nice guy show and telling you all these
wonderful things he's done in prison and how he's a
changed man. But when you read or heard about the
tone of that letter and how he didn't want Mia
to be given the opportunity to speak or address the
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court about being a victim of his that was some
insight perhaps into this other diddy that we're hearing about
from Mia, from other witnesses, from his alleged victims.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well, yeah, she did submit her letter, not the same impact,
but she did get a chance to submit a letter. Now,
the things we talked about off top that didn't go
his way Robes This is a big, big deal because
this was a part of the fight the defense was
happening with the prosecutors about what conduct of his should
be considered in his sentencing. His two convictions are for
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transportation to engage in prostitution, essentially for being John. His
defense team argues like, if this is all you're sentencing
him for, then obviously he shouldn't get these big, some
ten to twenty year sentence. Their argument is, yeah, you
saw him beat her on camera, Yes he was a
domestic abuser. Yes, he used drugs. Yeah, he wasn't convicted
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for any of that stuff. Well, now the judge this
morning said, in fact, he is going to consider some
of Ditty's bad behavior in sentencing him.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
This was huge, yes, and this was a big legal
argument because Diddy's attorneys were trying to make the legal argument,
the legal point that that shouldn't be considered. But the
judge made it very clear that he can consider what
they call acquitted conduct, the conduct that he was charged
with but acquitted for, not convicted of by the jury.
So you can, and the judge can certainly take into
account Diddy's actions surrounding those charges that the jury didn't
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find him guilty of, meaning MEA's testimony is going to
be considered by the judge and certainly cassi Ventur refines
testimony is going to be considered by the judge as
he makes his sentencing recommendation.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
All right, So that was one thing, the acquitted conduct
can be considered. The other thing that can be considered
excuse me, not to be considered as a part of
the sentencing report. This pre sentencing report essentially you put
all the information in there and it kind of gives
you an equation for how much time somebody should get. Well.
The defense wanted to include in there that Didty had
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taken responsibility for his actions. The judge said, oh, hell no,
he has not.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That is remarkable because yes, in our earlier episode, we
read for you most of if not all, of Ditty's
letter to the judge that he gave last night to
the court, where he did say he was sorry, where
he did write that he took full responsibility. But the
judge wooh. The judge said, he expressed remorse for some things,
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but said quote Combs has challenged his factual guilt full
throatedly and had done so even after trial.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Ouch, how did she take responsibility if you're sitting here
saying I'm not guilty. That was as simple a plane
as you can make it. So they are not going
to include in this sentencing report that he took responsibility. Also,
the defense was arguing, trying to make sure in this
sentencing report do not call Cassie Jane or those male
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prostitutes victims. Now, I don't know why this was so key,
but it mattered, and they argued about it. Once again.
The je said, on to the defense you're not gonna
win this one.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Either, that's right. The judge is allowing Cassie Jane and
the male prostitutes to be referred to as victims in
this pre sentencing report. So, yes, he has been delivered
blow after blow today.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, this morning did not go well from him. And
then so everything we're telling you led to what we
are about to say now. So the defense Robes asked
for fourteen months based on their calculation. Prosecution said he
should get eleven years and three months based on their calculation.
The judge with this pre sentence of report this morning,
put all that information in there and he came up
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with the actual number that should be considered for how
long did it should be in prison? In Robes, it
is not looking good.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
No, seventy to eighty seven months. That's what the judge's
calculation is based on the pre sentencing report. Everything that
was put in. Is there a formula, an actual mathematic
formula or an algorithm or something that he actually can
put into a computer and it calculates it for him,
or is he doing it in his own math in
his own head.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
You know what. My understanding it is kind of like
a legal like you fill in blanks. Is he, this
is he, this is he, this and it and it's
a standard form. And then after that it pops out
and you go through and look and consider whatever scores
or grades, and you go through and look and say, yep,
this is the range of time he should get. So yeah,
it's like it's like that. It's not literally that, but
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it's like putting numbers in a formula into an equation
and then it spits out how much time you're to have.
And this is what got spit out. So now it's
not a matter that fourteen months and going home being
home by Christmas.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
That's not happening. I think we can say that with
pretty great assurance that he is not going home before
the holidays or even before the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Given this judge. Now after he has said this. So
that's what we're dealing with, is how far below or
above the guidelines does this joke?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So this guidelines is five years and ten months to
seven years and three months, so seventy months to eighty
seven months, that's I mean. So by that calculation minimum
five years and ten months, maximum seven years three months.
Now he can consider, like you said, to go up
or to go down based on what he sees in court,
but based on what we're hearing from the judge in court,
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doesn't seem like he's inclined to go down.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yes, okay, that's a better way to put it. Even
if he doesn't go up, I certainly don't feel like
he's going to go down. It doesn't seem that six
years for Diddy in prison potentially at this point what
we're looking at and indications seem to be fourteen months
so already that means he's an extra four years in
prison possibly, Yes.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And I think you know, you and I had been
talking about it, having followed this trial every single day.
We both kind of privately made our best guesses, and
you and I were both right around five years. We
said that seems like that might be where this is headed,
and could be that's exactly where this is headed or worse.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yes, And so during the day today, this continue this morning.
So this is kind of again we didn't know how
long this is going to go, but it's gone into
what feels like now an almost full day of a hearing.
But the prosecution got to make a presentation, the defense
got to make a presentation as well. Those are through
at least, and the kids got to talk the prosecutors.
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It was interesting. This was the moment of the morning.
I believe Robes that they described as like Diddy's head
even shot up and people, they said, every person in
the room, their mouth dropped open. Because this Robes, if
it is true, I can't believe for a second that
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Diddy would be this stupid.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yes, and because it does not look good. The prosecutor
told the court that Diddy had already booked speaking engagements
in Miami for next week and called it the height
of hubris for him to do that, that he had
such an expectation that he was going to be released
after this sentencing. Hearing that he actually booked speaking engagements
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in Miami.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
What was our reaction to it?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
My jaw actually dropped.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I didn't think it was true.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You actually didn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That can't be true. Nobody's that stupid. Did He's not?
Obviously not. Of course, you wouldn't do that. That's and
yet and yet it appears he did. However, there is
more to that story. There has been a letter, a
briefing that has been filed and put on file. They
were the court from a non profit organization in Miami
that deals with incarcerated individuals who are making a transition
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back into society. He did, He, according to this letter
from this group, is signed up to speak at that
organization on October fourteenth, seventeenth, twenty third, twenty fifth, and
twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And look, you asked me if it made a difference
in my reaction to know that he was speaking to
a nonprofit group, and my answer is not really, because
he's still putting on his hero cape. Look at me,
I'm reformed. Let me help you do the same. Let
me tell he's still And even in the letter he
sent to the judge, he had he was looking at
everything through his own philanthropy and his own ability to
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overcome and his heroism. That it's too soon for that.
It's way too soon for that. He's just apologized yesterday
for all of this, and now he's going to be
this motivational speaker. I'm sorry if that makes me feel
actually like physically ill in some shape. It doesn't sit right.
It's not the right timing. And certainly, yeah, that is
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some ego there to think that you actually were gonna
be able to go and stand in front of a
crowd and be hailed some good guy who's turned his
life around, who's gonna help other people do the same.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I want to hear more about this. I still cannot
believe anyone who would be this. That's not even arrogance,
that's pure stupidity. You know, if somebody's gonna find out
about it, it's gonna this looks terrible.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
The reports in the room, I know you said people like,
I don't know if you specified it was his head
shot off. They said like he couldn't believe that, almost
as if because we don't know, but it seemed as
if he was shocked that they knew that he had
a speaking Hey, he had several speaking engagements lined up.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
This that this one makes no sense. I actually am
reserving of my opinion on this one until I hear
cause I just can't believe that anyone would do this.
I don't care what it is, A dentist appointment, I
don't give a damn. How are you gonna make plans
for next week? You're essentially telling the judge, yeah, I
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know what he gonna do. I'm out of here. The
judge might give him nine years.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I mean, in all seriousness, yes.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yes, okay, So the defense got to go up and
make their presentation as well, and Rogues actually had two
lawyers go up, and the second one Nicole Westmoreland, a
black woman, who spoke for a little bit. She got
quite emotional up there. Reports are she was crying and
tearing up in there, but telling the story of what
he has meant to the community and how much it
was a big deal to see someone from where he's
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from succeed in the way he did. He built himself,
he built an industry, he built a company, and I think, yes,
that is all true, and he did contribute so much
and his success story is a brilliant one. Today a
presentation see someone crying on his behalf again reading the
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room today, the timing of the video and the speaking engaged.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Can we talk about the video?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
We haven't talked about it. Was it twelve fifteen minutes?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Whether it is yes, but it it was basically a
highly produced, well lit video that showed did he running
the New York City Marathon for a philanthropic cause, his
playing with his young children, being a good dad, having
people talk about what a phenomenal member of the community
he's been. I'm sorry, but it's for me. That was
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just my initial reaction was and I have had moments
where I have felt sorry for him in the sense
that he had everything thrown at him and was facing
charges that I don't even believe he necessarily should have
been facing because he is who he was. And yet
when that video, when we heard and saw some of
the snippets, I just felt like it was manipulative. I
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felt like he thinks we're stupid, that somehow we just
think he's this great guy. Now, it just it didn't.
Not only did it not make me want to rally
behind him or root for him, or hope that he
gets a lighter sentence, it actually made me feel the opposite.
That he was using his money, his wealth, his power
to try and influence and the fact that he thinks
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we're so dumb that we're gonna fall for it.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
We've had a lot of feelings about this story, just
as human beings watching this story. This is the one
thing I couldn't believe how much of this video irked you.
It really really did, and you see it. Dead timing
is everything. This is the most I've seen you probably
get annoyed.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Obviously he's behavior was atrocies and things we saw. But
this set you off.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
It did today, it did. It did not sit well
with me, and I can't imagine it sat well with
the judge. But you know what, I don't know. That's
just my personal reaction having listened to everything he's accused
of having listened to these women, sob up there on
the witness stand and talk about decades of abuse, and
he's put together this shiny package of how great of
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a guy he is. It's tough, it's trying.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
He's trying to remind the judge what they call these
mitigation factors, what they call well, yeah, he's trying to
mitigate just how much his sentence will be by reminding
that I was and I have contributed to society in
a positive way in some way. I think that's all
he's trying to do, Just show himself and remind the
judge that hey, I've done some good stuff. Was as
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simple as that. It didn't work for me, But it
just seems like a show at this time, like obviously
we know what you're doing. And I think that's all
you see when.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
You see that yes, yes, exactly, and know what you're
trying to do, yes, and I think everyone's aware of
some of the contributions he made. I mean, he was
on his way to becoming a billionaire and he yes.
I think in that sense, when you have that kind
of a platform, there is a level of responsibility to
do good and to be good. So I don't even
give him that many kudos for what he did.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Okay, I didn't think about it that way. But also
in the courtroom this morning, folks reportedly did he was
in tears? Did he was in tears in court? We
will explain who was standing at that podium when did
he started to cry. We continue now with Diddy. We
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are on standby as we speak. They are on a
lunch break for his sentencing. Hearing going to start back
up at two o'clock Eastern time. After that, we expect
to hear from Diddy. We expect to hear from the judge.
We expect to hear from his pastor as well. But
we don't know how much longer this might go. But
we will find out today how much time did he
will get in prison. The judge has now set the
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guideline somewhere between roughly six and seven years, which is
much higher than what the defense was asking for now
robes his kid's guide up to speak. Six he's a
six adult children got up to speak, and this was
the moment they described in court that Diddy actually was
absolutely in tears. Yeah, and his six kids got and
we wondered where they are all going to speak individually, but
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they went up there as a group, and I bet
that was a hell of a scene to see.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Oh yeah, and that to me, so here we have
now to me something that's real, something that I understand
and I can relate to as a parent, as a human,
no matter what you've done with your life, when your
children get up there and speak on your behalf, that
is an emotional, real moment that doesn't feel performative in
any way. And so this is where I felt differently
about what I've seen in the courtroom today, because if
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there was more of that, if there was more contrition,
if there was more humility, I would feel a lot
differently about what I've seen so far. This was a
moment where there was those things. And so it was
his daughter, I believe, who talked about watching him nurture her.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Talking about this. So he has a two year old,
so as the adult kids and then a little one
two year old named loved name. So an older kid
was talking about the two year old.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Ana, So his daughter said, watching him nurture her, even
from a distance, has been unexpectedly healing. I can see
glimpses of the father he was to us as babies,
But it also breaks my heart because my sister deserves
so much more than this. I mean that, yes, but
I also I don't know. Did to jump out to
you that? She said, she can start to see glimpses
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of the fire he was to us his babies, meaning
he still has a lot more work to do.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, I mean, but he's been in prison for a year.
How much parenting in there? He said, worse two years
of his life. You know, the past year was the hardest,
probably the time he spent at prison. I'm not sure
what kind of a guy, what kind of a father,
what kind of a light? What kind of inspiration can
he be to his kids? Behind a sell So, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, and so she went on to say this, and
this was definitely going to pull at everyone's heart strings.
We know he isn't perfect, and he has made many mistakes,
and we aren't here to excuse any of those mistakes,
but your honor, he is still our dad and we
still need him present in our lives.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I get that.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And the kids who have lost who lost their moms.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
This is their only parent, so she said, our two
year old sisters asking where dad is, the same way
we grew up motherless. It's a hole that can't be filled.
We are tired of being strong. We have already lost
so much, our mother, our father. Please give us the
chance to heal together and move forward together.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I don't know what judges do. Well, that's just yes
that your heart breaks for those kids.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Your heart breaks for those victims, for those women. It's hard.
You would have to let your heart break a little
bit for Diddy to give him leniency. You would have to,
don't You have to have something that mercy? Yes? Is
the judge going to give him any iota of mercy? I?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
You know, I wonder because again, I don't want to
come off as harsh about my reaction to the video
into the letter that he wrote the judge, But I
guess I just feel like seeing his kids, seeing him humbled,
see him seeing him cry, seeing the real emotion between
him and his children. That is what moves you. And
if he had said less done less, just said he
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was sorry and didn't go into how horrible his conditions
are in prison and you know all of that. But
if he just kept it simple and just said, I
am sorry, I have no excuses, I am learning, I
want to do better. I will accept whatever punishment you
give me because I deserve that and more. Thank you
for even considering what I had to say and leave
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it at that. Don't sit there and tell everybody how
great you are, how wonderful you are, how much you've learned,
how much you deserve a second chance. See, that's when
you lose me. I want to see real humility and
real heart, and I just for me, And maybe I
am wrong, but it didn't feel it didn't feel like
it came from the right place. It came from a
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place of survival and self preservation.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
And I get that. That is. Yes, he is trying
to get that out of prison and throwing everything out.
Would it make a difference, we don't know. And also
will it make a difference whatever he actually says in court. Yes, folks,
as we sit here, they're coming back from lunch break
in just a little bit but he is expected to
address the court this afternoon. How well scripted, how well
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rehearsed will he come off versus how authentic is what
you said. We have not had an opportunity in the
past year to see him as a human being until
maybe this moment. We didn't even see it, but him
crying because his kids were standing up there. That's a
human moment that comes through even reading about what's happening
in the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I just hope we see more humility and less hubris.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
All right, but folks, we will hop back on again,
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kom standing by waiting to see how long he is
going to stay in prison. The judge has now said
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the guidelines say it should be anywhere from about six
to seven years. Always appreciate you listening to us. We'll
hop back on AM TJ here, talk to you soon.
Hey, folks, it is Friday, October, third sentencing day for Diddy.
They're on a lunch break as we speak, but we
wanted to hop on because it has been a morning
of developments and some of them jaw dropping. Welcome to
this episode of Amy and TJ Romes. We didn't know
how long this thing was going to go. They're taking
a lunch break, coming back at Too Eastern, still expecting
to hear from Diddy. But this morning, things right off
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the bat were not going his way. Right off the jump,
just hearing from the judge, you could tell he lost
a couple of or Diddy at least lost a couple
of arguments, if you will, with his attorneys and things
they were trying to get into the sentencing memo, and
we all kind of and a lot of reporters in
the room that we are grateful for. There was a
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tone to where things weren't going his way well, and.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It's the tone that we've heard from this judge. It
feels like since the onset, and certainly as we've seen
Diddy over the last several months try to eat, get
out on bail, awaiting sentencing, trying to get charges or
convictions thrown out, and the judge has not sided with
him one single time from what I can recall. So
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he's consistent and he's staying on brand today.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
That's a very good point. The judge didn't surprise us
at all with what he did. Off the top, we'll
explain that this start at ten o'clock this morning. All
of Didy's kids are there, his mom is there. He's
described today as somber by some people in the courtroom
from the courtroom observers. But today he dressed very casually.
He's not in his prison uniform he's allowed to wear today,
at least he was allowed to wear street clothes and
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V neck, tan sweater or something like that today. Now,
headline one robes Mia, who testified under that pseudonym Mia
former assistant. She requested to address the court. We found
out immediately ain't happening.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
It ain't happening, and it didn't look good for Diddy
because his lawyers sent a note to the courts, to
the judge asking that she not be allowed to testify
because they claim she is not a victim. Now technically
did he was not convicted on the allegations made by Mia.
But even the judge ruled that the way the tone
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of the letter was that it was inappropriate. The prosecution
said that it was a bullying tactic by Diddy and
his defense team. So by them trying to get Mia
not to testify, which she is not going to, she
sent a letter instead, it didn't make them look good,
sympathetic or in any way despite his apologies that we've
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heard about, that didn't make him feel very sympathetic or
that he had learned anything at least through this court system.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Because the at least in their argument that she shouldn't
be able to testify, it didn't sound like they were
making legal arguments. It sounded very personal, and even the
prosecutor called it unprofessional. They flat out called her a liar.
This is all a show for her. She wants to
come back now and be a part of the show.
And I said to you this morning we were getting read,
I said, man, I wonder if that could be seen
as like like she's not going to show up because
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she might feel intimidated bullied. Yes, sure enough is exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
What happened, which is exactly what we've heard from people
like Cassi event to Refine, who say that's why they
don't want Ditty out because they say, sure, he's putting
on this nice guy show and telling you all these
wonderful things he's done in prison and how he's a
changed man. But when you read or heard about the
tone of that letter and how he didn't want Mia
to be given the opportunity to speak or address the
(03:22):
court about being a victim of his that was some
insight perhaps into this other diddy that we're hearing about
from Mia, from other witnesses, from his alleged victims.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well, yeah, she did submit her letter, not the same impact,
but she did get a chance to submit a letter. Now,
the things we talked about off top that didn't go
his way Robes This is a big, big deal because
this was a part of the fight the defense was
happening with the prosecutors about what conduct of his should
be considered in his sentencing. His two convictions are for
(03:56):
transportation to engage in prostitution, essentially for being John. His
defense team argues like, if this is all you're sentencing
him for, then obviously he shouldn't get these big, some
ten to twenty year sentence. Their argument is, yeah, you
saw him beat her on camera, Yes he was a
domestic abuser. Yes, he used drugs. Yeah, he wasn't convicted
(04:17):
for any of that stuff. Well, now the judge this
morning said, in fact, he is going to consider some
of Ditty's bad behavior in sentencing him.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
This was huge, yes, and this was a big legal
argument because Diddy's attorneys were trying to make the legal argument,
the legal point that that shouldn't be considered. But the
judge made it very clear that he can consider what
they call acquitted conduct, the conduct that he was charged
with but acquitted for, not convicted of by the jury.
So you can, and the judge can certainly take into
account Diddy's actions surrounding those charges that the jury didn't
(04:52):
find him guilty of, meaning MEA's testimony is going to
be considered by the judge and certainly cassi Ventur refines
testimony is going to be considered by the judge as
he makes his sentencing recommendation.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
All right, So that was one thing, the acquitted conduct
can be considered. The other thing that can be considered
excuse me, not to be considered as a part of
the sentencing report. This pre sentencing report essentially you put
all the information in there and it kind of gives
you an equation for how much time somebody should get. Well.
The defense wanted to include in there that Didty had
(05:27):
taken responsibility for his actions. The judge said, oh, hell no,
he has not.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That is remarkable because yes, in our earlier episode, we
read for you most of if not all, of Ditty's
letter to the judge that he gave last night to
the court, where he did say he was sorry, where
he did write that he took full responsibility. But the
judge wooh. The judge said, he expressed remorse for some things,
(05:55):
but said quote Combs has challenged his factual guilt full
throatedly and had done so even after trial.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Ouch, how did she take responsibility if you're sitting here
saying I'm not guilty. That was as simple a plane
as you can make it. So they are not going
to include in this sentencing report that he took responsibility. Also,
the defense was arguing, trying to make sure in this
sentencing report do not call Cassie Jane or those male
(06:25):
prostitutes victims. Now, I don't know why this was so key,
but it mattered, and they argued about it. Once again.
The je said, on to the defense you're not gonna
win this one.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Either, that's right. The judge is allowing Cassie Jane and
the male prostitutes to be referred to as victims in
this pre sentencing report. So, yes, he has been delivered
blow after blow today.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, this morning did not go well from him. And
then so everything we're telling you led to what we
are about to say now. So the defense Robes asked
for fourteen months based on their calculation. Prosecution said he
should get eleven years and three months based on their calculation.
The judge with this pre sentence of report this morning,
put all that information in there and he came up
(07:07):
with the actual number that should be considered for how
long did it should be in prison? In Robes, it
is not looking good.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
No, seventy to eighty seven months. That's what the judge's
calculation is based on the pre sentencing report. Everything that
was put in. Is there a formula, an actual mathematic
formula or an algorithm or something that he actually can
put into a computer and it calculates it for him,
or is he doing it in his own math in
his own head.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
You know what. My understanding it is kind of like
a legal like you fill in blanks. Is he, this
is he, this is he, this and it and it's
a standard form. And then after that it pops out
and you go through and look and consider whatever scores
or grades, and you go through and look and say, yep,
this is the range of time he should get. So yeah,
it's like it's like that. It's not literally that, but
(07:55):
it's like putting numbers in a formula into an equation
and then it spits out how much time you're to have.
And this is what got spit out. So now it's
not a matter that fourteen months and going home being
home by Christmas.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
That's not happening. I think we can say that with
pretty great assurance that he is not going home before
the holidays or even before the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Given this judge. Now after he has said this. So
that's what we're dealing with, is how far below or
above the guidelines does this joke?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So this guidelines is five years and ten months to
seven years and three months, so seventy months to eighty
seven months, that's I mean. So by that calculation minimum
five years and ten months, maximum seven years three months.
Now he can consider, like you said, to go up
or to go down based on what he sees in court,
but based on what we're hearing from the judge in court,
(08:44):
doesn't seem like he's inclined to go down.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yes, okay, that's a better way to put it. Even
if he doesn't go up, I certainly don't feel like
he's going to go down. It doesn't seem that six
years for Diddy in prison potentially at this point what
we're looking at and indications seem to be fourteen months
so already that means he's an extra four years in
prison possibly, Yes.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And I think you know, you and I had been
talking about it, having followed this trial every single day.
We both kind of privately made our best guesses, and
you and I were both right around five years. We
said that seems like that might be where this is headed,
and could be that's exactly where this is headed or worse.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yes, And so during the day today, this continue this morning.
So this is kind of again we didn't know how
long this is going to go, but it's gone into
what feels like now an almost full day of a hearing.
But the prosecution got to make a presentation, the defense
got to make a presentation as well. Those are through
at least, and the kids got to talk the prosecutors.
(09:40):
It was interesting. This was the moment of the morning.
I believe Robes that they described as like Diddy's head
even shot up and people, they said, every person in
the room, their mouth dropped open. Because this Robes, if
it is true, I can't believe for a second that
(10:01):
Diddy would be this stupid.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yes, and because it does not look good. The prosecutor
told the court that Diddy had already booked speaking engagements
in Miami for next week and called it the height
of hubris for him to do that, that he had
such an expectation that he was going to be released
after this sentencing. Hearing that he actually booked speaking engagements
(10:26):
in Miami.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
What was our reaction to it?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
My jaw actually dropped.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I didn't think it was true.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You actually didn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That can't be true. Nobody's that stupid. Did He's not?
Obviously not. Of course, you wouldn't do that. That's and
yet and yet it appears he did. However, there is
more to that story. There has been a letter, a
briefing that has been filed and put on file. They
were the court from a non profit organization in Miami
that deals with incarcerated individuals who are making a transition
(10:56):
back into society. He did, He, according to this letter
from this group, is signed up to speak at that
organization on October fourteenth, seventeenth, twenty third, twenty fifth, and
twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And look, you asked me if it made a difference
in my reaction to know that he was speaking to
a nonprofit group, and my answer is not really, because
he's still putting on his hero cape. Look at me,
I'm reformed. Let me help you do the same. Let
me tell he's still And even in the letter he
sent to the judge, he had he was looking at
everything through his own philanthropy and his own ability to
(11:35):
overcome and his heroism. That it's too soon for that.
It's way too soon for that. He's just apologized yesterday
for all of this, and now he's going to be
this motivational speaker. I'm sorry if that makes me feel
actually like physically ill in some shape. It doesn't sit right.
It's not the right timing. And certainly, yeah, that is
(11:58):
some ego there to think that you actually were gonna
be able to go and stand in front of a
crowd and be hailed some good guy who's turned his
life around, who's gonna help other people do the same.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I want to hear more about this. I still cannot
believe anyone who would be this. That's not even arrogance,
that's pure stupidity. You know, if somebody's gonna find out
about it, it's gonna this looks terrible.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
The reports in the room, I know you said people like,
I don't know if you specified it was his head
shot off. They said like he couldn't believe that, almost
as if because we don't know, but it seemed as
if he was shocked that they knew that he had
a speaking Hey, he had several speaking engagements lined up.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
This that this one makes no sense. I actually am
reserving of my opinion on this one until I hear
cause I just can't believe that anyone would do this.
I don't care what it is, A dentist appointment, I
don't give a damn. How are you gonna make plans
for next week? You're essentially telling the judge, yeah, I
(12:58):
know what he gonna do. I'm out of here. The
judge might give him nine years.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I mean, in all seriousness, yes.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yes, okay, So the defense got to go up and
make their presentation as well, and Rogues actually had two
lawyers go up, and the second one Nicole Westmoreland, a
black woman, who spoke for a little bit. She got
quite emotional up there. Reports are she was crying and
tearing up in there, but telling the story of what
he has meant to the community and how much it
was a big deal to see someone from where he's
(13:28):
from succeed in the way he did. He built himself,
he built an industry, he built a company, and I think, yes,
that is all true, and he did contribute so much
and his success story is a brilliant one. Today a
presentation see someone crying on his behalf again reading the
(13:50):
room today, the timing of the video and the speaking engaged.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Can we talk about the video?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
We haven't talked about it. Was it twelve fifteen minutes?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Whether it is yes, but it it was basically a
highly produced, well lit video that showed did he running
the New York City Marathon for a philanthropic cause, his
playing with his young children, being a good dad, having
people talk about what a phenomenal member of the community
he's been. I'm sorry, but it's for me. That was
(14:22):
just my initial reaction was and I have had moments
where I have felt sorry for him in the sense
that he had everything thrown at him and was facing
charges that I don't even believe he necessarily should have
been facing because he is who he was. And yet
when that video, when we heard and saw some of
the snippets, I just felt like it was manipulative. I
(14:42):
felt like he thinks we're stupid, that somehow we just
think he's this great guy. Now, it just it didn't.
Not only did it not make me want to rally
behind him or root for him, or hope that he
gets a lighter sentence, it actually made me feel the opposite.
That he was using his money, his wealth, his power
to try and influence and the fact that he thinks
(15:05):
we're so dumb that we're gonna fall for it.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
We've had a lot of feelings about this story, just
as human beings watching this story. This is the one
thing I couldn't believe how much of this video irked you.
It really really did, and you see it. Dead timing
is everything. This is the most I've seen you probably
get annoyed.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Obviously he's behavior was atrocies and things we saw. But
this set you off.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
It did today, it did. It did not sit well
with me, and I can't imagine it sat well with
the judge. But you know what, I don't know. That's
just my personal reaction having listened to everything he's accused
of having listened to these women, sob up there on
the witness stand and talk about decades of abuse, and
he's put together this shiny package of how great of
(15:49):
a guy he is. It's tough, it's trying.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
He's trying to remind the judge what they call these
mitigation factors, what they call well, yeah, he's trying to
mitigate just how much his sentence will be by reminding
that I was and I have contributed to society in
a positive way in some way. I think that's all
he's trying to do, Just show himself and remind the
judge that hey, I've done some good stuff. Was as
(16:11):
simple as that. It didn't work for me, But it
just seems like a show at this time, like obviously
we know what you're doing. And I think that's all
you see when.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
You see that yes, yes, exactly, and know what you're
trying to do, yes, and I think everyone's aware of
some of the contributions he made. I mean, he was
on his way to becoming a billionaire and he yes.
I think in that sense, when you have that kind
of a platform, there is a level of responsibility to
do good and to be good. So I don't even
give him that many kudos for what he did.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Okay, I didn't think about it that way. But also
in the courtroom this morning, folks reportedly did he was
in tears? Did he was in tears in court? We
will explain who was standing at that podium when did
he started to cry. We continue now with Diddy. We
(17:09):
are on standby as we speak. They are on a
lunch break for his sentencing. Hearing going to start back
up at two o'clock Eastern time. After that, we expect
to hear from Diddy. We expect to hear from the judge.
We expect to hear from his pastor as well. But
we don't know how much longer this might go. But
we will find out today how much time did he
will get in prison. The judge has now set the
(17:30):
guideline somewhere between roughly six and seven years, which is
much higher than what the defense was asking for now
robes his kid's guide up to speak. Six he's a
six adult children got up to speak, and this was
the moment they described in court that Diddy actually was
absolutely in tears. Yeah, and his six kids got and
we wondered where they are all going to speak individually, but
(17:52):
they went up there as a group, and I bet
that was a hell of a scene to see.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Oh yeah, and that to me, so here we have
now to me something that's real, something that I understand
and I can relate to as a parent, as a human,
no matter what you've done with your life, when your
children get up there and speak on your behalf, that
is an emotional, real moment that doesn't feel performative in
any way. And so this is where I felt differently
about what I've seen in the courtroom today, because if
(18:16):
there was more of that, if there was more contrition,
if there was more humility, I would feel a lot
differently about what I've seen so far. This was a
moment where there was those things. And so it was
his daughter, I believe, who talked about watching him nurture her.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Talking about this. So he has a two year old,
so as the adult kids and then a little one
two year old named loved name. So an older kid
was talking about the two year old.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Ana, So his daughter said, watching him nurture her, even
from a distance, has been unexpectedly healing. I can see
glimpses of the father he was to us as babies,
But it also breaks my heart because my sister deserves
so much more than this. I mean that, yes, but
I also I don't know. Did to jump out to
you that? She said, she can start to see glimpses
(18:59):
of the fire he was to us his babies, meaning
he still has a lot more work to do.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, I mean, but he's been in prison for a year.
How much parenting in there? He said, worse two years
of his life. You know, the past year was the hardest,
probably the time he spent at prison. I'm not sure
what kind of a guy, what kind of a father,
what kind of a light? What kind of inspiration can
he be to his kids? Behind a sell So, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, and so she went on to say this, and
this was definitely going to pull at everyone's heart strings.
We know he isn't perfect, and he has made many mistakes,
and we aren't here to excuse any of those mistakes,
but your honor, he is still our dad and we
still need him present in our lives.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I get that.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And the kids who have lost who lost their moms.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
This is their only parent, so she said, our two
year old sisters asking where dad is, the same way
we grew up motherless. It's a hole that can't be filled.
We are tired of being strong. We have already lost
so much, our mother, our father. Please give us the
chance to heal together and move forward together.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I don't know what judges do. Well, that's just yes
that your heart breaks for those kids.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Your heart breaks for those victims, for those women. It's hard.
You would have to let your heart break a little
bit for Diddy to give him leniency. You would have to,
don't You have to have something that mercy? Yes? Is
the judge going to give him any iota of mercy? I?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
You know, I wonder because again, I don't want to
come off as harsh about my reaction to the video
into the letter that he wrote the judge, But I
guess I just feel like seeing his kids, seeing him humbled,
see him seeing him cry, seeing the real emotion between
him and his children. That is what moves you. And
if he had said less done less, just said he
(20:45):
was sorry and didn't go into how horrible his conditions
are in prison and you know all of that. But
if he just kept it simple and just said, I
am sorry, I have no excuses, I am learning, I
want to do better. I will accept whatever punishment you
give me because I deserve that and more. Thank you
for even considering what I had to say and leave
(21:06):
it at that. Don't sit there and tell everybody how
great you are, how wonderful you are, how much you've learned,
how much you deserve a second chance. See, that's when
you lose me. I want to see real humility and
real heart, and I just for me, And maybe I
am wrong, but it didn't feel it didn't feel like
it came from the right place. It came from a
(21:26):
place of survival and self preservation.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
And I get that. That is. Yes, he is trying
to get that out of prison and throwing everything out.
Would it make a difference, we don't know. And also
will it make a difference whatever he actually says in court. Yes, folks,
as we sit here, they're coming back from lunch break
in just a little bit but he is expected to
address the court this afternoon. How well scripted, how well
(21:51):
rehearsed will he come off versus how authentic is what
you said. We have not had an opportunity in the
past year to see him as a human being until
maybe this moment. We didn't even see it, but him
crying because his kids were standing up there. That's a
human moment that comes through even reading about what's happening
in the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I just hope we see more humility and less hubris.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
All right, but folks, we will hop back on again,
and reminder, if you want to keep up, there's a
lot going on top right corner of your Apple podcast screen.
There it says follow Just click that and you can
get the updates coming to you from us. And there
will be another one today for sure about Sean Diddy
kom standing by waiting to see how long he is
going to stay in prison. The judge has now said
(22:36):
the guidelines say it should be anywhere from about six
to seven years. Always appreciate you listening to us. We'll
hop back on AM TJ here, talk to you soon.
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