September 27, 2025 • 25 mins
In the middle of another hectic news week, Amy and T.J. go back to the University of Arkansas to see old friends and cheer on the Razorbacks. T.J. takes some time out to speak to our next generation of journalists, and Amy took plenty of notes!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome everyone to this Saturday Morning run. It is Saturday,
September twenty seventh. I'm Amy Roebuck alongside TJ. Holmes, and
this is our recovery run where we go over the
ways in which we tried to recover from yet another
busy news week. It was really NonStop this week, from
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Jimmy Kimmel getting back on the air to another politically
motivated shooting at that ice facility in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
A government shutdown.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Is looming next week. Have we had a break from
ominous news?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It seems in the last time.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I was hoping this was going to be it, But
here you go right off the top mention and all
this crap we were trying to get away from. So
it put me out. Was kind of upbeat because we're
excited right now. We're sitting in Arkansas and all this
fun stuff is happening around us, and you just took
me back to a place I was trying to get
away from. So how you want to do this now here?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Sarcasm is noted.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
But I was laying on pretty thick you were.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
It was very thick, very thick, like the bacon the
way you like it.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
But it is something worth noting that I just feel
like we need to acknowledge that. And even for those
of us who have been in the news business for
three decades and counting, this has seemed particularly heavy, like
week after week after week, hoping this cycle ends soon
and we can all get a little lighter.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
But there are.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Always, and we have been trying to point them out
throughout the week, silver linings, lessons to be learned, ways forward,
where we can actually learn from some of these difficult times.
And I think that is the point sometimes at difficult times,
is that we still have a lot to learn, and
through all of that, we also still have to try
to find ways to unwind, to relax, to enjoy, to
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let it go, to not be so in our heads
and worried about the future, but just truly enjoying the now.
And we are in Arkansas, babe, We are in a
can sell babe.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yes, we get back once a year. This is you know.
And I probably I do end up adding stress to
the trip here to my alma mater here in northwest
Arkarsas on Fairville, because I only get back and now
we have past three years once a year, and so
I try to take advantage and make myself available and
I want to see as many people as possible and
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engagees my journalism department. And that ends up with a
very full schedule because since we've been here, we haven't
stopped working, and so we have a professional schedule and
then we throw a personal schedule on top of that.
And maybe we've been off a little more than week
at CHEW and that was my fault.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But you know what, No, but I also look at
it as I love learning more about you. And part
of a recovery run is you're still running. You're still active.
You're just slowing down a bit, you're letting your muscles breathe,
but you're still active. It's not like you're sitting on
the couch and rotting, as my daughter likes to call it.
But you're still moving and you're just moving at a
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slightly different pace and you're more intentional. It's not about
the sweat, it's not about the speed, It's about just
the intention. And so I do think I just I
got to witness this week you back in a classroom.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
And being very, very professorial, and it.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Was actually really inspirational to see you connecting with all
of these young, bright eyed, bushy tailed stars in their eyes,
enthusiastic kids.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Who delusional, completely delusional about their futures.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yes, but you were really, really great up there with them.
You were nurturing, you were authentic, you were transparent. In fact,
you start I love this. You start your sessions with
these groups with a disclaimer. You want to tell our
listeners what your disclaimer is.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Well, it's I tell them. Everything I say in this
classroom is off the record. And I do that because
I want to make sure they understand they can ask
me anything. I don't want to think that man if
something I say in here can end up getting out
and again, what am I? I just want to make
sure they understand you can ask me anything, and I
will be honest with you, you all in particular because this
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is my university and this is stuff you all are
asking about and maybe need to know. I don't want
to mince words in here. So that's why I do that,
and it's worked for me. And look, there are some
reality checks that these kids need to hear. But I
always love engaging I do anytime I come here, you
all need anything. I think there might have been one
year they.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Said, nah TJ we good was that twenty twenty three, Actually.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It was before that. But other than that, yeah, always
you should always give it back. Sometimes financially you can
write a check, but man, it means a lot to
show up to this place to know I was one
of those kids, and I would love, would have loved
to have access to an alumni that did all the
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things I want to do now. So yes, I make
myself available. I hand out my email address and tell
them I am available anytime.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
And you don't hand out your email address or your
contact deformation to anyone that.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I don't think they do though.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I don't think they realized how special that moment was,
that you were actually offering access to your personal email.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I was actually a little bit thrown by it because.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You've known me. Oh, we haven't been You've known me
a decade. You do not. I do not. I've been places,
You've seen people. Hey, you gotta get you know her.
I will give them my producer's number, producer's email. But
here it's different. And one kiddy Jacks were hanging out
with yesterday. Jack's has already emailed good job, young fellow.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
You told them what the subject line had to be
for you to recognize it has to be all.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Bold University of Arkansas, and that'll get my tea. I
tell them the same thing.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well, can I tell you this as your partner?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
It?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You know, what is so fun to be able to watch.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
The person you love do what they love and do
it well and inspire other folks, Like it was really
fun for me to watch you do something that you're
so passionate about it, and you were so good, You
really were so inspi. I can't even imagine what it
would have been like had I been a student and
had the access or the ability to see someone like
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you be really really open and vulnerable and humble and
even at times you said this is an arrogant but
you you were able to explain your success in a
way that made sense to these kids who think sometimes
maybe it just happens overnight or you just get a
lucky break, and to actually speak to what it takes
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was very cool to listen to, you know, And.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's nice to I don't reflect on my own journey,
my own career, and sometimes I hear things and go, wow,
I forgot about that, And actually it's a sense of
prime like wow, I overcame that I remember Oh yeah,
I did that thing. I did that thing. It's a
it's good to reflect and it's fun. It's always good
to be home. I never felt I never feel like
no matter what success I had, I never feel like
a star when I come here. I'm just TJ or
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Lutilius or I'm just one of them. I'm just the
family member, nothing less, nothing more. I love that feeling
to never be treated like anything other than the TJ.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
We knew when you're on campus and you always treat
each one of these kids and all the faculty.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You asked them.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yes, you're up there and it's a Q and a
session with you, but you always turn the tables and
ask each person about themselves. What's your name, where are
you from, what do you want to do? And that's
really cool. You don't often see that with speakers who
come up there. They're so excited to tell you all
about their fame and their success and how they made it.
You are so good at making sure every person in
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that room felt like they were a part of the
conversation in a personal way.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well, thank you. I don't think that much about it.
I mean, I don't know. Just my mama taught me
that that's the only way I know to be And
so this was great. Thank you to the University of Arkansas,
Professor Foley, Professor Lebetter, and the whole crew and everybody
that was great in Ashanti Jack's and Sophia Immigrace Grace,
we leve us some imm grace, but we met a
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bunch of good kids. It was a really good time.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It's nice to know that in an industry that is
really transitioning right now and uncertain, frankly, to think that
these kids are entering this, this profession that we loved
that you and I went to school for, like we
both had a mission. We knew what we wanted to do.
We majored in broadcast journalism. And to see these kids
walking into a very different landscape than we are. They're bold,
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they're courageous, and maybe it's good they don't know what
they don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, but I said to them plenty, I said, you
all have more skills and more opportunity than I did,
but you also have bigger challenges than I did wanting
to get into this industry. So they will figure it out.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
They will, They certainly will. Well. So this is the
day of the week.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
On the morning morn where we talk about yes, our
intentional downtime, our fun time, our schedule, old us time.
And I know we can get into what happened this week,
but I am so excited about what will happen later today.
Are you nervous or are you excited? We are going
to see the Razorbacks play?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Notre dame.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I speak for all Razorback fans when I say we're nervous.
We're nervous every weekend because we are we have what
they Isn't there a saying? Now? Where did I get that?
Get used to disappointment? That's from Princess Briane?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Remember that?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Oh my goodness, good use to disappointment. I feel like.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Much of life's most important sayings and truths are in
that movie.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Oh they hit them all. Whatever you got going on
in life, Princess Princess.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It's one of the movies we first connected.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
When we first met, we talked about what our favorite
movies were, and when you listed Princess Bride, ah man,
you had me at Princess bry.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
It's probably two things, you know what my deal breakers?
But I could never date someone who smokes, and probably
could never date someone one who said they don't like
Princess Briane.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
We're just not compatible exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
If you don't love Princess Buttercup, if you don't say
as you wish just for the fun of it.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
You're not a friend of mine.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
What was the question?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Really, the question was today, how are you feeling about
your Razorbacks?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
About your hogs?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I can sum it up with that picture I showed you.
My sister sends to me all the time. There's a
razorback T shirt and the shirt says, we almost always
almost win. That is the That is what it's like
to be a razorback football fan. Has been a really
brutal two weeks and I think this first time Notre
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Dame has come to town. So is this, I guess,
one of the most story programs in all the football
arguably being in Fayebville is a very very big weekend.
I'm excited to see everybody, and oh my god, this
is gonna be great. Early game, early start, early tailgate.
That's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yes, there's nothing like you know, a breakfast beer at
seven am, but that looks like what is probably gonna
be happening tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Now when we first got I just.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Before we get into the early part of the week,
I have to talk about what we did when we
first got here, because look, we live in Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You know, we have our restaurants that we go to.
But we got to.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
The Marriott that we're staying at, and right across the
street was I've never heard of it before.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Maybe this is a big chain, but it's a Benny
Hannah knockoff. Is the best Kobe steakhouse? Is that what
it's called?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Maybe Bennie Hanna stole it from them?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Maybe never know, maybe, but you and I on our
first night the two of us together, was this the
first night we went out to dinner together?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I think the whole week we didn't have time.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
We normally tried to at least have one date night
just the two of us out, so this was our first.
It's not a date night, fine, but are We try
to have one dinner out together just you and me
every week, and we usually are pretty successful at that.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
We have lots of meals out, We have lots of
days and.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Lunches, yes, but they're usually wrapped around and in between.
Where so this we do have, we do have I
think at least one night where I feel like we
can just kind of cut up.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
And be us.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Well, anyway, we ended up the only two people you know,
at Benny Hannas. They have the big tables with the
big metal cooking area whatever.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Oh yes, they put everybody around that thing, and there's
another family over there. There's another couple there.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, it's communal. You gotta so. Because we went at
five pm, nobody in the play, the only two people.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Cook all to ourselves.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
We had a Have you ever had that experience?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yes, because as you can guess, I usually go exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
What places open five pm because I.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Don't want to share the space with anybody.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
So we just just the two of us sitting around.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
This big, huge hibachi table and we had the meal
of our lives.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
The guy doing the whole show bang bang boom bing bang.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Bang, the whole thing flames.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Oh yeah, train the vulcan. I know, we got the
whole thing. He didn't do the egg in the hat.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Though, No he didn't. You're right, and he's that he could.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
He could read us. We weren't interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
He knew we didn't really care about all of his
hat tricks.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
We could see before it was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
It was so good so that we had a blast.
So that was one of the really fun things we
did this week. But we also we also got to
see some dear friends, and I feel like that's something
we don't often get a lot of time to do
because of our busy schedules, especially if I don't know,
is it the older you get you just seem to
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not be able to find the time for whatever reason.
When you're younger, you're always making time for your friends
and prioritizing it, but sometimes it takes going home for
that to happen.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
We got parenting to do, we have work, we have
people all we got so much going on. And I
think a part of it too is some of your
dearest and some of your closest folks, and you got
the most time and years invested in Maybe not maybe
don't live down the street, Maybe they also have busy lives,
maybe they're also successful, and then you don't end up
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spending that kind of time. But then now we have
gotten it back, and even my sister just reconnecting with well,
I talk to mys dedamned every day, but I don't
get to sit down with her and share a meal
and the three of us together, and then Betsy, oh
my god, our dear Betsy here. She's my handler, if
you will, in Fayeteville, and she's been taking care of
us for years and years and years. And Chase as well,
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another good good friend of yours for many, many years
that you don't get to see as often. But to
sit down with those three and to have a group
of five and the closes and I can share anything
with that group. We don't get that enough. Only have
a handful of folks like that in New York, and
it's nice to have that.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It honestly, it is something that I just feel warmed
my soul in a way I wasn't expecting. So it
reminds me that with all the craziness of this world,
it is and it does take some times those moments
where you just make a decision to reconnect, reconnect with
your neighbor, with your friend, with your whatever, because especially
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in these times when the news is as heavy as
it is, we all do realize how quickly time passes
and how unexpected things can be, and so just to
kind of take the news cycle as it is and
use it as a catalyst to make different choices.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Have it right. We were in there two two and
a half hours that lunch, the five of us, and
where'll be with them at the game today as well?
Is there. I cannot remember a single issue or news
story or politics or anything that came up in any
of our conversation, Not anything about it, anything that negative
has been in the news cycle. Nothing.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Politics were not on the table.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
We talked about nothing but catching up with each other, dating, lives,
all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Can I tell you, from Chase to Betsy to your sister,
I have no idea politically, we're any of them stand
and we're in a part of the country where it's
anyone's guests and I have no idea, and I don't
care because it doesn't matter. You know what we talked about, relationships.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
That is what we talked about.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And that actually, if you think about it, what is
the thing that most often determines your mood, your happiness,
your joy. It is the quality or the status or
the state of your relationships. And that's not what we're
seeing on the news. That's not what we see that
we're bombarded with on a lot of social media, at
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least in these past few months.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
It feels like it's just all about the.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
State of the world, the of the Union, the state of.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Politics in general. It's nice not to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I didn't realize until this moment, but that was the
one conversation probably I've had outside of you that wasn't heavy. Right,
everybody I've dealt with outside of our home, there's somebody
wants to mention the shooting in Dallas or something in
the news that was happening to Charlie Kirk or something
in DC. This was the one time we had a
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completely issued news, politics free conversation, and I didn't realize
how much I needed that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, going home is good, is it not?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Well? When we come back, we'll talk about the one
thing we did do on our own before we headed
to Arkansas that also just gave us a moment, a
moment to step away from all the chaos. Welcome back
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to our Saturday morning recovery run, where we just went
over our current trip back to TJ's home of Northwest Arkansas.
But before we headed this way, in the midst of
all the chaos of the world, we actually we got
so you know, there's been so much negativity and we've
been talking about it, not just in what we're seeing
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in politics and all the political violence and the finger pointing,
but just in the world. And everyone loves to jump
on a negative bandwagon and to cancel people and cut
people down and say the worst of the worst. And
so we were noticing, you know, we love horror movies,
all of this negativity, crazy negative reviews about a movie
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that we were kind of on the fence about seeing.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
It's called Him and Jordan.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Are we on the fence?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
We were on the fence because it.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Didn't look like a traditional horror movie toss. It was
a horror thriller kind of thing. Jordan Peele was behind it,
so we were curious. We'd seen plenty of previews. It
was intriguing, but it wasn't one on our radar to.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Run out right.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
We love the supernatural, We love you know, like ooh,
it was scarce. It didn't look like it was going
to be a jump scare kind of a movie, which
we typically gravitate towards. But when we started seeing all
the negative reviews and mean spirited ones, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
We said, we ought to give this a try.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
We ought to see if it's just as bad as
they say it is, and if it is, okay, still
don't think you have to be mean about it. But
we wanted to see it for ourselves, so you and
I carved out some time. Sabine actually came with us.
Oh yeah, and and in fact, we did a whole
movie review. If you're curious, well, if you really want
to get into the to the weeds of what we
saw and what we witnessed and what we experienced it.
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Speaker 2 (19:29):
I don't know how many back.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
It is now, but if you scroll down our feed
you will see our him I think we said F
the Critics is the title.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
You said it, and then I was like, I'm writing it.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I don't think you thought I was actually going to
make that the title, but I thought it was really
catchy F the Critics. So anyway, if you want to
go check out our whole review, you can do that.
But I wanted to point out that sometimes it's fun
to challenge what people say.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Something is.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
So, even if it's talking about another person, a friend,
a relative, whatever, we all tend to gravitate toward that
negative gossip or that negative review, and we want to
belong so we jump in.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
And say yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
But I felt like this is maybe the opportunity. We
went to go see it, and we actually genuinely disagreed
with the critics, genuinely, but you can see how group
think happens. You want to belong, you want to be
a part of it, and suddenly you are influenced. Your
mind is influenced by what you read from other people,
and then you think yeah, and you look at it
through that lens. So I just think it was an
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interesting challenge to take away the lens and to actually
be really aware of it and say I'm not going
to look through that and judge for myself and that
movie this week for me was kind of an AHA
moment and it just became bigger, maybe than even the movie,
but more about what we're seeing in the world.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I hope that movie does well. I hope folks do
go see and these critics they are I don't know
how they're training, what they're experience. But even Marlon Wayans,
who we have a great affinity for, came out and
addressed the criticism you're talking about, and I thought he
did in a very classy way respect to the credics.
Critics but your opinion is not always everybody's opinion. Just
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go see the movie. Check it out. Maybe the movie
is ahead of its time and understanding the art. I
just we see bad movie reviews. I don't know why
folks seem to take this one and just want to
beat it down in a personal way, not taking on
the acting, not taking on even a lot of the
writing or cinematography. It was more of a can't believe
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I wasted my time. I can't believe I got on
the train. I can't believe it seemed mean to me,
and it didn't seem critical.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
It was just like I didn't like it, and I'm
pissed I saw it that.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
That doesn't sound like professional critique. I know some people
want to be snarky and maybe how creative and how
they write. But I didn't walk away from those reviews
necessarily thinking I'm gonna see bad acting or gonna be
horrible writing, or the cinematography is going to be bad.
I walked away thinking, man, who are these jerks talking
about this movie like this?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
And this is not and Roby is a very This
is a very good exercise for us, because you're the
one all the time that says, Uh, sometimes when I
see terrible reviews by critics, there's some of my favorite movies.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
It's so true because we're.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Looking at it differently. They're looking maybe a critical way.
I want to sit here and enjoy my experience. Thank
you Marlon and crew for what you gave us this week.
I loved that movie genuinely, not just as a contrarian
to these reviews. We are horror movie watchers and fans.
We liked that movie.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Oh when it streams, I will absolutely watch it again.
That's how much I liked it. You know. You know
my friend Joe, when I first met him, we were
just making small talk and I said to him, I said,
what's your favorite movie? I mean, it's just something that
comes up. And he said anything that scores fifteen percent
or below on Rotten Tomatoes. And I laughed so hard
because I get that, you know, the critics don't always
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know everything, and I think that just I'm not trying
to be cheesy here, but I do.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Think that applies to life.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And I just felt like some of the moments we
took out for us this week, including that movie, including
going and Yeah and having that fun Q and A
with those students and hearing all of their opinions and
taking them in and seeing their enthusiasm. I actually felt
inspired by almost everything we did this week, and we
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weren't setting out to be or to be inspired or
to get inspired. But I do think if you start
looking at your downtime and your free time, and if
you really start analyzing it, if you can man if
you can look back and reflect and say I learned
something and I was inspired by something, and I kept
my heart open to other points of view and I
didn't jump to conclusions. Just practicing that in our downtime
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I think will help us all deal with some of
well other people's choices to not do so in the
public eye. But I just think we can all be
more intentional about taking that in and recognizing the opportunities
to learn and to stay open.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah, and we did. This was not planned. I think
at some point I was either stressed about or it
might have even complained about the itinerary and how busy
things ended up here in Fayeville. And what did we
get is the highlight probably of the week was talking
to those kids. So it was yes, I stress about
the itinerary, the schedule and ripping and running and not
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in kind of lost sight of the value and what
I was ultimately supposed to be here and supposed to
be doing. So thank you Arkansas, thank you Robes for
being complimentary and just being here.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's it could be a lot, I you know what,
And I will say this. I don't know if I
can say. I'm always going to say go dogs, because
of course my dogs are playing Alabama today as well,
But okay, go.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Hawks, yeah, and go Dogs. We're not laying this weekend.
I would rather have a happy home, So I hope
they do end.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
We'll let you know how they do and how we
are afterwards. But thank you for listening to us on
this Saturday morning recovery run.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Everyone. Hope you have a wonderful weekend.
Welcome everyone to this Saturday Morning run. It is Saturday,
September twenty seventh. I'm Amy Roebuck alongside TJ. Holmes, and
this is our recovery run where we go over the
ways in which we tried to recover from yet another
busy news week. It was really NonStop this week, from
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Jimmy Kimmel getting back on the air to another politically
motivated shooting at that ice facility in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
A government shutdown.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Is looming next week. Have we had a break from
ominous news?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It seems in the last time.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I was hoping this was going to be it, But
here you go right off the top mention and all
this crap we were trying to get away from. So
it put me out. Was kind of upbeat because we're
excited right now. We're sitting in Arkansas and all this
fun stuff is happening around us, and you just took
me back to a place I was trying to get
away from. So how you want to do this now here?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Sarcasm is noted.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
But I was laying on pretty thick you were.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
It was very thick, very thick, like the bacon the
way you like it.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
But it is something worth noting that I just feel
like we need to acknowledge that. And even for those
of us who have been in the news business for
three decades and counting, this has seemed particularly heavy, like
week after week after week, hoping this cycle ends soon
and we can all get a little lighter.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
But there are.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Always, and we have been trying to point them out
throughout the week, silver linings, lessons to be learned, ways forward,
where we can actually learn from some of these difficult times.
And I think that is the point sometimes at difficult times,
is that we still have a lot to learn, and
through all of that, we also still have to try
to find ways to unwind, to relax, to enjoy, to
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let it go, to not be so in our heads
and worried about the future, but just truly enjoying the now.
And we are in Arkansas, babe, We are in a
can sell babe.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yes, we get back once a year. This is you know.
And I probably I do end up adding stress to
the trip here to my alma mater here in northwest
Arkarsas on Fairville, because I only get back and now
we have past three years once a year, and so
I try to take advantage and make myself available and
I want to see as many people as possible and
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engagees my journalism department. And that ends up with a
very full schedule because since we've been here, we haven't
stopped working, and so we have a professional schedule and
then we throw a personal schedule on top of that.
And maybe we've been off a little more than week
at CHEW and that was my fault.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But you know what, No, but I also look at
it as I love learning more about you. And part
of a recovery run is you're still running. You're still active.
You're just slowing down a bit, you're letting your muscles breathe,
but you're still active. It's not like you're sitting on
the couch and rotting, as my daughter likes to call it.
But you're still moving and you're just moving at a
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slightly different pace and you're more intentional. It's not about
the sweat, it's not about the speed, It's about just
the intention. And so I do think I just I
got to witness this week you back in a classroom.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
And being very, very professorial, and it.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Was actually really inspirational to see you connecting with all
of these young, bright eyed, bushy tailed stars in their eyes,
enthusiastic kids.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Who delusional, completely delusional about their futures.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yes, but you were really, really great up there with them.
You were nurturing, you were authentic, you were transparent. In fact,
you start I love this. You start your sessions with
these groups with a disclaimer. You want to tell our
listeners what your disclaimer is.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Well, it's I tell them. Everything I say in this
classroom is off the record. And I do that because
I want to make sure they understand they can ask
me anything. I don't want to think that man if
something I say in here can end up getting out
and again, what am I? I just want to make
sure they understand you can ask me anything, and I
will be honest with you, you all in particular because this
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is my university and this is stuff you all are
asking about and maybe need to know. I don't want
to mince words in here. So that's why I do that,
and it's worked for me. And look, there are some
reality checks that these kids need to hear. But I
always love engaging I do anytime I come here, you
all need anything. I think there might have been one
year they.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Said, nah TJ we good was that twenty twenty three, Actually.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It was before that. But other than that, yeah, always
you should always give it back. Sometimes financially you can
write a check, but man, it means a lot to
show up to this place to know I was one
of those kids, and I would love, would have loved
to have access to an alumni that did all the
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things I want to do now. So yes, I make
myself available. I hand out my email address and tell
them I am available anytime.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
And you don't hand out your email address or your
contact deformation to anyone that.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I don't think they do though.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I don't think they realized how special that moment was,
that you were actually offering access to your personal email.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I was actually a little bit thrown by it because.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You've known me. Oh, we haven't been You've known me
a decade. You do not. I do not. I've been places,
You've seen people. Hey, you gotta get you know her.
I will give them my producer's number, producer's email. But
here it's different. And one kiddy Jacks were hanging out
with yesterday. Jack's has already emailed good job, young fellow.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
You told them what the subject line had to be
for you to recognize it has to be all.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Bold University of Arkansas, and that'll get my tea. I
tell them the same thing.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well, can I tell you this as your partner?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
It?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You know, what is so fun to be able to watch.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
The person you love do what they love and do
it well and inspire other folks, Like it was really
fun for me to watch you do something that you're
so passionate about it, and you were so good, You
really were so inspi. I can't even imagine what it
would have been like had I been a student and
had the access or the ability to see someone like
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you be really really open and vulnerable and humble and
even at times you said this is an arrogant but
you you were able to explain your success in a
way that made sense to these kids who think sometimes
maybe it just happens overnight or you just get a
lucky break, and to actually speak to what it takes
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was very cool to listen to, you know, And.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's nice to I don't reflect on my own journey,
my own career, and sometimes I hear things and go, wow,
I forgot about that, And actually it's a sense of
prime like wow, I overcame that I remember Oh yeah,
I did that thing. I did that thing. It's a
it's good to reflect and it's fun. It's always good
to be home. I never felt I never feel like
no matter what success I had, I never feel like
a star when I come here. I'm just TJ or
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Lutilius or I'm just one of them. I'm just the
family member, nothing less, nothing more. I love that feeling
to never be treated like anything other than the TJ.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
We knew when you're on campus and you always treat
each one of these kids and all the faculty.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You asked them.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yes, you're up there and it's a Q and a
session with you, but you always turn the tables and
ask each person about themselves. What's your name, where are
you from, what do you want to do? And that's
really cool. You don't often see that with speakers who
come up there. They're so excited to tell you all
about their fame and their success and how they made it.
You are so good at making sure every person in
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that room felt like they were a part of the
conversation in a personal way.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well, thank you. I don't think that much about it.
I mean, I don't know. Just my mama taught me
that that's the only way I know to be And
so this was great. Thank you to the University of Arkansas,
Professor Foley, Professor Lebetter, and the whole crew and everybody
that was great in Ashanti Jack's and Sophia Immigrace Grace,
we leve us some imm grace, but we met a
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bunch of good kids. It was a really good time.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It's nice to know that in an industry that is
really transitioning right now and uncertain, frankly, to think that
these kids are entering this, this profession that we loved
that you and I went to school for, like we
both had a mission. We knew what we wanted to do.
We majored in broadcast journalism. And to see these kids
walking into a very different landscape than we are. They're bold,
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they're courageous, and maybe it's good they don't know what
they don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, but I said to them plenty, I said, you
all have more skills and more opportunity than I did,
but you also have bigger challenges than I did wanting
to get into this industry. So they will figure it out.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
They will, They certainly will. Well. So this is the
day of the week.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
On the morning morn where we talk about yes, our
intentional downtime, our fun time, our schedule, old us time.
And I know we can get into what happened this week,
but I am so excited about what will happen later today.
Are you nervous or are you excited? We are going
to see the Razorbacks play?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Notre dame.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I speak for all Razorback fans when I say we're nervous.
We're nervous every weekend because we are we have what
they Isn't there a saying? Now? Where did I get that?
Get used to disappointment? That's from Princess Briane?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Remember that?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Oh my goodness, good use to disappointment. I feel like.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Much of life's most important sayings and truths are in
that movie.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Oh they hit them all. Whatever you got going on
in life, Princess Princess.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It's one of the movies we first connected.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
When we first met, we talked about what our favorite
movies were, and when you listed Princess Bride, ah man,
you had me at Princess bry.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
It's probably two things, you know what my deal breakers?
But I could never date someone who smokes, and probably
could never date someone one who said they don't like
Princess Briane.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
We're just not compatible exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
If you don't love Princess Buttercup, if you don't say
as you wish just for the fun of it.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
You're not a friend of mine.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
What was the question?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Really, the question was today, how are you feeling about
your Razorbacks?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
About your hogs?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I can sum it up with that picture I showed you.
My sister sends to me all the time. There's a
razorback T shirt and the shirt says, we almost always
almost win. That is the That is what it's like
to be a razorback football fan. Has been a really
brutal two weeks and I think this first time Notre
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Dame has come to town. So is this, I guess,
one of the most story programs in all the football
arguably being in Fayebville is a very very big weekend.
I'm excited to see everybody, and oh my god, this
is gonna be great. Early game, early start, early tailgate.
That's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yes, there's nothing like you know, a breakfast beer at
seven am, but that looks like what is probably gonna
be happening tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Now when we first got I just.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Before we get into the early part of the week,
I have to talk about what we did when we
first got here, because look, we live in Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You know, we have our restaurants that we go to.
But we got to.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
The Marriott that we're staying at, and right across the
street was I've never heard of it before.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Maybe this is a big chain, but it's a Benny
Hannah knockoff. Is the best Kobe steakhouse? Is that what
it's called?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Maybe Bennie Hanna stole it from them?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Maybe never know, maybe, but you and I on our
first night the two of us together, was this the
first night we went out to dinner together?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I think the whole week we didn't have time.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
We normally tried to at least have one date night
just the two of us out, so this was our first.
It's not a date night, fine, but are We try
to have one dinner out together just you and me
every week, and we usually are pretty successful at that.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
We have lots of meals out, We have lots of
days and.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Lunches, yes, but they're usually wrapped around and in between.
Where so this we do have, we do have I
think at least one night where I feel like we
can just kind of cut up.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
And be us.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Well, anyway, we ended up the only two people you know,
at Benny Hannas. They have the big tables with the
big metal cooking area whatever.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Oh yes, they put everybody around that thing, and there's
another family over there. There's another couple there.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, it's communal. You gotta so. Because we went at
five pm, nobody in the play, the only two people.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Cook all to ourselves.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
We had a Have you ever had that experience?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yes, because as you can guess, I usually go exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
What places open five pm because I.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Don't want to share the space with anybody.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
So we just just the two of us sitting around.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
This big, huge hibachi table and we had the meal
of our lives.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
The guy doing the whole show bang bang boom bing bang.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Bang, the whole thing flames.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Oh yeah, train the vulcan. I know, we got the
whole thing. He didn't do the egg in the hat.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Though, No he didn't. You're right, and he's that he could.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
He could read us. We weren't interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
He knew we didn't really care about all of his
hat tricks.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
We could see before it was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
It was so good so that we had a blast.
So that was one of the really fun things we
did this week. But we also we also got to
see some dear friends, and I feel like that's something
we don't often get a lot of time to do
because of our busy schedules, especially if I don't know,
is it the older you get you just seem to
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not be able to find the time for whatever reason.
When you're younger, you're always making time for your friends
and prioritizing it, but sometimes it takes going home for
that to happen.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
We got parenting to do, we have work, we have
people all we got so much going on. And I
think a part of it too is some of your
dearest and some of your closest folks, and you got
the most time and years invested in Maybe not maybe
don't live down the street, Maybe they also have busy lives,
maybe they're also successful, and then you don't end up
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spending that kind of time. But then now we have
gotten it back, and even my sister just reconnecting with well,
I talk to mys dedamned every day, but I don't
get to sit down with her and share a meal
and the three of us together, and then Betsy, oh
my god, our dear Betsy here. She's my handler, if
you will, in Fayeteville, and she's been taking care of
us for years and years and years. And Chase as well,
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another good good friend of yours for many, many years
that you don't get to see as often. But to
sit down with those three and to have a group
of five and the closes and I can share anything
with that group. We don't get that enough. Only have
a handful of folks like that in New York, and
it's nice to have that.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It honestly, it is something that I just feel warmed
my soul in a way I wasn't expecting. So it
reminds me that with all the craziness of this world,
it is and it does take some times those moments
where you just make a decision to reconnect, reconnect with
your neighbor, with your friend, with your whatever, because especially
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in these times when the news is as heavy as
it is, we all do realize how quickly time passes
and how unexpected things can be, and so just to
kind of take the news cycle as it is and
use it as a catalyst to make different choices.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Have it right. We were in there two two and
a half hours that lunch, the five of us, and
where'll be with them at the game today as well?
Is there. I cannot remember a single issue or news
story or politics or anything that came up in any
of our conversation, Not anything about it, anything that negative
has been in the news cycle. Nothing.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Politics were not on the table.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
We talked about nothing but catching up with each other, dating, lives,
all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Can I tell you, from Chase to Betsy to your sister,
I have no idea politically, we're any of them stand
and we're in a part of the country where it's
anyone's guests and I have no idea, and I don't
care because it doesn't matter. You know what we talked about, relationships.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
That is what we talked about.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And that actually, if you think about it, what is
the thing that most often determines your mood, your happiness,
your joy. It is the quality or the status or
the state of your relationships. And that's not what we're
seeing on the news. That's not what we see that
we're bombarded with on a lot of social media, at
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least in these past few months.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
It feels like it's just all about the.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
State of the world, the of the Union, the state of.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Politics in general. It's nice not to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I didn't realize until this moment, but that was the
one conversation probably I've had outside of you that wasn't heavy. Right,
everybody I've dealt with outside of our home, there's somebody
wants to mention the shooting in Dallas or something in
the news that was happening to Charlie Kirk or something
in DC. This was the one time we had a
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completely issued news, politics free conversation, and I didn't realize
how much I needed that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, going home is good, is it not?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Well? When we come back, we'll talk about the one
thing we did do on our own before we headed
to Arkansas that also just gave us a moment, a
moment to step away from all the chaos. Welcome back
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to our Saturday morning recovery run, where we just went
over our current trip back to TJ's home of Northwest Arkansas.
But before we headed this way, in the midst of
all the chaos of the world, we actually we got
so you know, there's been so much negativity and we've
been talking about it, not just in what we're seeing
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in politics and all the political violence and the finger pointing,
but just in the world. And everyone loves to jump
on a negative bandwagon and to cancel people and cut
people down and say the worst of the worst. And
so we were noticing, you know, we love horror movies,
all of this negativity, crazy negative reviews about a movie
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that we were kind of on the fence about seeing.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
It's called Him and Jordan.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Are we on the fence?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
We were on the fence because it.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Didn't look like a traditional horror movie toss. It was
a horror thriller kind of thing. Jordan Peele was behind it,
so we were curious. We'd seen plenty of previews. It
was intriguing, but it wasn't one on our radar to.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Run out right.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
We love the supernatural, We love you know, like ooh,
it was scarce. It didn't look like it was going
to be a jump scare kind of a movie, which
we typically gravitate towards. But when we started seeing all
the negative reviews and mean spirited ones, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
We said, we ought to give this a try.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
We ought to see if it's just as bad as
they say it is, and if it is, okay, still
don't think you have to be mean about it. But
we wanted to see it for ourselves, so you and
I carved out some time. Sabine actually came with us.
Oh yeah, and and in fact, we did a whole
movie review. If you're curious, well, if you really want
to get into the to the weeds of what we
saw and what we witnessed and what we experienced it.
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By the way, we highly recommend but please check out
a podcast.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I don't know how many back.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
It is now, but if you scroll down our feed
you will see our him I think we said F
the Critics is the title.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
You said it, and then I was like, I'm writing it.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I don't think you thought I was actually going to
make that the title, but I thought it was really
catchy F the Critics. So anyway, if you want to
go check out our whole review, you can do that.
But I wanted to point out that sometimes it's fun
to challenge what people say.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Something is.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
So, even if it's talking about another person, a friend,
a relative, whatever, we all tend to gravitate toward that
negative gossip or that negative review, and we want to
belong so we jump in.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
And say yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
But I felt like this is maybe the opportunity. We
went to go see it, and we actually genuinely disagreed
with the critics, genuinely, but you can see how group
think happens. You want to belong, you want to be
a part of it, and suddenly you are influenced. Your
mind is influenced by what you read from other people,
and then you think yeah, and you look at it
through that lens. So I just think it was an
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interesting challenge to take away the lens and to actually
be really aware of it and say I'm not going
to look through that and judge for myself and that
movie this week for me was kind of an AHA
moment and it just became bigger, maybe than even the movie,
but more about what we're seeing in the world.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I hope that movie does well. I hope folks do
go see and these critics they are I don't know
how they're training, what they're experience. But even Marlon Wayans,
who we have a great affinity for, came out and
addressed the criticism you're talking about, and I thought he
did in a very classy way respect to the credics.
Critics but your opinion is not always everybody's opinion. Just
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go see the movie. Check it out. Maybe the movie
is ahead of its time and understanding the art. I
just we see bad movie reviews. I don't know why
folks seem to take this one and just want to
beat it down in a personal way, not taking on
the acting, not taking on even a lot of the
writing or cinematography. It was more of a can't believe
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I wasted my time. I can't believe I got on
the train. I can't believe it seemed mean to me,
and it didn't seem critical.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
It was just like I didn't like it, and I'm
pissed I saw it that.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
That doesn't sound like professional critique. I know some people
want to be snarky and maybe how creative and how
they write. But I didn't walk away from those reviews
necessarily thinking I'm gonna see bad acting or gonna be
horrible writing, or the cinematography is going to be bad.
I walked away thinking, man, who are these jerks talking
about this movie like this?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
And this is not and Roby is a very This
is a very good exercise for us, because you're the
one all the time that says, Uh, sometimes when I
see terrible reviews by critics, there's some of my favorite movies.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
It's so true because we're.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Looking at it differently. They're looking maybe a critical way.
I want to sit here and enjoy my experience. Thank
you Marlon and crew for what you gave us this week.
I loved that movie genuinely, not just as a contrarian
to these reviews. We are horror movie watchers and fans.
We liked that movie.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Oh when it streams, I will absolutely watch it again.
That's how much I liked it. You know. You know
my friend Joe, when I first met him, we were
just making small talk and I said to him, I said,
what's your favorite movie? I mean, it's just something that
comes up. And he said anything that scores fifteen percent
or below on Rotten Tomatoes. And I laughed so hard
because I get that, you know, the critics don't always
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know everything, and I think that just I'm not trying
to be cheesy here, but I do.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Think that applies to life.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And I just felt like some of the moments we
took out for us this week, including that movie, including
going and Yeah and having that fun Q and A
with those students and hearing all of their opinions and
taking them in and seeing their enthusiasm. I actually felt
inspired by almost everything we did this week, and we
(23:31):
weren't setting out to be or to be inspired or
to get inspired. But I do think if you start
looking at your downtime and your free time, and if
you really start analyzing it, if you can man if
you can look back and reflect and say I learned
something and I was inspired by something, and I kept
my heart open to other points of view and I
didn't jump to conclusions. Just practicing that in our downtime
(23:55):
I think will help us all deal with some of
well other people's choices to not do so in the
public eye. But I just think we can all be
more intentional about taking that in and recognizing the opportunities
to learn and to stay open.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah, and we did. This was not planned. I think
at some point I was either stressed about or it
might have even complained about the itinerary and how busy
things ended up here in Fayeville. And what did we
get is the highlight probably of the week was talking
to those kids. So it was yes, I stress about
the itinerary, the schedule and ripping and running and not
(24:34):
in kind of lost sight of the value and what
I was ultimately supposed to be here and supposed to
be doing. So thank you Arkansas, thank you Robes for
being complimentary and just being here.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's it could be a lot, I you know what,
And I will say this. I don't know if I
can say. I'm always going to say go dogs, because
of course my dogs are playing Alabama today as well,
But okay, go.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Hawks, yeah, and go Dogs. We're not laying this weekend.
I would rather have a happy home, So I hope
they do end.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
We'll let you know how they do and how we
are afterwards. But thank you for listening to us on
this Saturday morning recovery run.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Everyone. Hope you have a wonderful weekend.
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