December 4, 2025 • 18 mins
It was an eventful day 4 of the Brian Walshe trial today, with the man who was having an affair with Ana taking the stand. William Fastow testified that neither he nor Ana ever believed that Brian was aware of their relationship. That is significant because the prosecution is trying to prove that Ana's affair with Fastow was the motive behind her murder.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hey, that folks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It is Thursday, December fourth, and day four of the
Brian Walsh trial is in the books, and I believe
Robes this possibly was one of the most highly anticipated
days of the trial, with one of the most highly
anticipated witnesses of the trial with that welcome to this
(00:31):
episode of Amy and TJ. Sorry about my ring tone
there on my phone just going off.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
But Rose, this.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Was a big deal of a day because Brian Walsh,
on trial for murdering his wife Anna Walsh, was involved
in an affair with a man by the name of
William Fastaw. He was on the standday he was, and.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
It was eye opening, fascinating and uncomfortable at times because yes,
he can you imagine he is sitting there in the
trial of the man who police say murdered his lover,
a man who he was sleeping with his wife. I mean,
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I can't even imagine what was going through his head
as he sat there answering questions, not just from obviously
the prosecution, but the cross examination was fairly intense, and
the defense did a pretty dang good job following up
on a couple of.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Items that certainly played into motive.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Look, they did a good job all day. Look again,
we have been talking some legal experts on this case,
and all of them say this is a shitter of
a case for any defense attorney, that just this is
almost impossible. But they keep giving credit to this defense
team and robes just as a casual observer, putting yourself
the position of the jury. They made some points today
(02:04):
that I set up and said, Okay, you're making me
now question motive and the point today a lot of
it was about whether or not Brian Walsh knew his
wife was having an affair, because that goes to what
the prosecution, you would say, is motive, motive for wanting
to get out of the marriage, motive for possibly wanting
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to kill her.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Ropes.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Today, the defense made some points that made me question
whether or not Brian Walsh knew.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, listening to William Fastau say that he never once
heard Anna say that she thought her husband knew about them,
knew about the affair, And maybe even more interesting to
me was that he acknowledged he was not ready to
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go public or be in a open relationship with her
given his situation. He was in the middle of a
he has young sons. They weren't ready for him to
introduce anyone into their lives, so he wasn't pushing for that.
And he even said that he knew Anna loved her
husband and wasn't necessarily looking to leave him or not
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be with him, and he testified to that. I thought
that was incredibly compelling.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Again, he gave us more insights into her, her thinking
and her thinking about her marriage today than I ever
imagined we would have. Like, today was a very busy day,
quite frankly, on the stand. There were a number of
witnesses up and down, a lot of experts dealing with
cell phone data, a general manager of the hotel excuse me,
(03:45):
a parmer complex, where the dumpsters were. There was a
lot just established who Anna Walsh was, where she was,
where she was not, and things like that. So there
was a lot of that stuff. But certainly the star
witness of the day was William fast Out Robes had
struck me. I did not realize. Again, as we're watching
the trial of Brian Walsh, accused of first degree murder
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for killing his wife, he says, and he has admitted
to cutting her up and disposing of her body. He
actually has pled guilty to those charges, but says he
did not kill her. That So this is where we are.
But ropes, I was struck well listening to William fast
Ow at just how involved they were and how much
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they seemed to actually care about each other, even to
the point of talking about a potential future.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Correct, And we learned I didn't know this how they
even met, how they even became involved romantically. But basically
what he knew Brian Walsh and Anna Walsh because he
sold them the town home that she used because she
was working in DC while her family and Brian lived
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and worked in Boston. She would commute, so she he
had regular plane tickets back and forth the DC. So
she needed a place to live while she worked there.
And so William Fastau sold the Walshes this town home,
and that is how they became connected. But yes, they
started out as friends and it developed from there. But
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clearly they cared about each other, and clearly they thought
they said he said, they didn't get specific about a
future that it was absolutely on the table.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So as we're as he's recounting all of this, folks,
if you haven't been watching, sitting thirty feet away from
him is Brian Walsh, the man who is accused of
killing and chopping up the woman that he cared about, right,
(05:50):
and then you have Brian Walsh sitting about thirty feet
away from the man who was involved in a very intimate, personal, loving,
even relationship with his wife. The point is that was.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
A very tense courtroom today.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, I was trying to imagine being in either of
those shoes, and it's fairly unthinkable because I was really
surprised at the cross examination of fast Out and what
Brian Walsh's defense team was able to get from him.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
And basically my takeaway, I walked.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Away believing that Brian Walsh didn't necessarily know or have
any reason to believe that William Fastau was involved romantically
with his wife.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Now, there were.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Some searches and some other evidence that came out that
might that could make me question it, but hearing directly
from Fastau himself, he did not believe that Brian knew
anything about their relationship.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And why is that important? Because you're trying to get
this jury to believe this man kill the woman in
a way you can't explain and put her body somewhere
that you can't find, So okay, so you have a
high bar and so I need to believe he had
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a good reason for killing this woman. One of those
reasons is because she was having affair. You've just put
doubt in my mind about whether or not he knew
this was legit.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Today there was doubt. There is doubt.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
There's absolute doubt that he knew, and I thought it
was really When Brian Walsh's defense attorney was following up
and following through, he said, or she said, excuse me,
when she was cross examining fast Out. He has a
couple of defense attorneys, one of them a female, one
of them a male. But she asked him, did you
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believe that Anna might end up staying with Brian? And
he said very much so, and she even went so
far as to say she made it very clear that
she did not want Brian to find out about this
relationship with him, and that if there ever came a
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point in which he needed to find out, because she
wanted to leave him and she wanted to spend her
life with William Fastau.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
She said very clearly that she wanted.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
To be the one who told him, and he made
it very clear that she not only loved her husband,
but cared about him and cared about how he felt
about what she was doing and the relationship she was having.
That was really remarkable to me. This didn't seem like
some broken marriage where she hated her husband. She hated
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her She was wanting to do anything to get away
from him. Look, you could have painted that picture because
Brian Walsh, her husband, was about to go to prison.
He was on house arrest for doing something. He was
convicted of selling off this fake art, trying to paint
it off as what was it?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
War Hall Andy Warhol.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
He was convicted, he was It cost them financially significantly.
He was owing upwards of almost half a million dollars
in restitution, so this was crippling them financially. He was
potentially about to go away to prison for several years,
leaving her alone with two three young, rambunctious boys.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
We heard them on the.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Audio tape, so I can say that with pretty decent
amount of confidence this was a They were a handful,
as three young boys might be at two, four and six.
That is my brother and my sister in law dealt
with that. I saw it from afar. That is not easy.
She was a hard working, full time working woman who
had a very important job that was in a different city,
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so you could see where she might have checked out
from her life, checked out from her husband, checked out
from her family, wanted a new life. That was not
the picture that William Fastau painted. He painted a picture
of a woman who loved her children, who loved her husband.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
But maybe she was lonely. Maybe this was I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
It was very different than what I thought it might be,
given how it ended, given how she ended up sadly, dismembered,
discarded in trash bags, and it seemed like by a
monster of a husband. And you could absolutely buy into
this narrative that he hated her, she hated him. They
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had no way out, and this is how it ended.
That's not the picture her lover painted. And that was
very shocking to me.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And there is no better in this trial insight. We're
going to get into what Anna Walsh was thinking.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Than this guy.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
He knew her, I won't say better, but at least
in a different and more intimate way than even her
closest friends, because she was confiding in him, she had
a secret. They had a life together, and if anybody
was going to know that she had any inclination that
her husband thought she was having an affair. It would
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be William fast out to hear him say so emphatically. Nope,
she never not a peep of Maybe he knew. That
is convincing today robes to put enough doubt. So that's
one check for the defense. At least I can take
this off the table as a possible motive. This is
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just a step by step thing and ropes. I don't know.
I look forward to talking to our next legal expert,
because how could you not say that the defense scored today?
Speaker 4 (11:39):
They did?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Because my other as a juror, as a human Again,
the judge asked these jurors, as they often do, to
use their common sense. I'm thinking to myself here listening
to William Fastau on the stand, thinking he must be angry.
I'm thinking he must be pissed that this man took
away this woman who he I don't know that he
loved her, but he cared deeply for her.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
He was potentially planning a future with her.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
He was already divorced, like he was in the throes
of a divorce, so he had.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Been separated, separate.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
He had been separated from his wife before they actually
became romantic. For at least a couple of months, I believe,
So he was technically free to do as he pleased,
free to be.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
In a relationship with someone else.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So to be staring down the man who has been
accused of violently taking her life and violently disposing of
her body, you would think that even just out of anger,
he would not do anything to help his defense. And
yet I would say today William Fastau's testimony absolutely helped
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Brian Walsh's defense, And that's surprising to me.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Look, he was a prosecution witness.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Look that he was there to do his thing for them,
but that the defense, look, we have been impressed. Look,
I don't know what to say. It's a low bar,
but I'm saying it was such a difficult case that
any little nugget or score that the defense has seeds
may be really impressive. But so I am really amazed
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because on day two we were like, how is he
going to get past these messages, these internet searches, And
now I'm sitting here looking and they have raised if
it raised it to us, there is some genuine doubt
about this one very important point. But yes, we've talked
about rods in this case so much has happened while
testimony in the actual trial is going on, But also
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a lot has happened when the jury is out of
the room. And it happened again today a very important
moment and the judge making a decision about sentencing for
Brian Walsh that could impact this case. Stay here, all right, folks,
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we continue now talking Day four of the Brian Ross's
trial robes a big question on this trial or hanging over.
I mean, he's on trial for first degree murder. He
was supposed to be on trial for first deary murder,
dismemberment and lying to police. He pled guilty to dismembering
or however the conveyance of a body or house some legal.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Term, basically acknowledging that he dismembered and disposed of his
wife's body.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
There it is, and he played guilty to that, and
he played guilty to lying to investigators. Now he's supposed
to be sentenced on those two charges. The judge has
been debating about whether to let the jury know one
that he pled guilty and two whether or not to
sentence him now. And she's still debating about it. And
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that debate was going on today after the jury left
the room and she still doesn't know what she's going
to do.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
That's surprising to me that she doesn't know if she
hasn't ruled, it's surprising to me that she doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
She claims she has. She says she hasn't.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Because one day prior it seemed as though she was
leaning towards not letting the jury know. What would be
the benefit in letting the jury know?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
It seems as though there.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Are only legal potential potholes where the defense could claim
a mistrial, or they could use it for an appeal process,
if somehow they could say the jury was tainted because
they found out about prior bad acts or some sort
of acknowledgment of another offense that swayed them into finding
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him guilty of first during murder.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Why would you want to.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Say yes to something that isn't necessary if it could
possibly taint the reasoning behind the outcome. It makes no
sense to me why she's even grappling with this.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
You know what it's You make a good point.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
The prosecution is requesting, and this is a debate they're
going back and forth about it. You make a very
very good point. What is the benefit, what how is
it hurting the prosecution's case that they can't tell the
jury this guy's planned guilty to these other things. You
make a very good point. She's saying as well, that
how can I sentence him for these other things because
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they're kind of tied to this other thing first to
re murder. So depending on the outcome and the judgment
of that is going to have an impact on how
I rule or what the sentencing could be for this.
They couldn't negate it to some degree or could enhance it,
so there is no yet. Enhancement is what they keep using.
So it sounds like she's leaning against them knowing and
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leaning against the sentencing before the end.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Of this trial.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
That would make the most sense to me.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I actually don't understand the argument to do anything but
that from Again, no legal mind here, I was not
I got my Bachelor of Arts in journalism. I am
not a legal scholar in any way, shape or form,
but just common sense. Again, I don't understand how that
would make any sense for her to go ahead and
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sentence Brian Walsh for those two charges he pleaded guilty
to and then let the jury in on that.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
That is going to sway the jury you can't on
hear that?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
All right, Well, folks, we will start up again tomorrow morning.
They will be back at at day five of the
Brian Walsh trial. Testimony starts up again at nine a m.
If you all are interested, we'll let you know it is.
Court TV is covering this thing. If you want to
up there are probably some other places will tell you
what we're using.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Court TV.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
They have a live feed it's uninterrupted that you can
watch and we'll keep an eye. If you don't keep
an eye on that, you can just on your Apple
podcast app top right corner of the screen. On our
show page, it says follow click that and you'll get
our updates and we will have them every day for
you in this Brian Welsh trial.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Yeah, tomorrow is a kind of a half day. I guess.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
It's nine am to one pm tomorrow Eastern time. It's
a Friday. We don't know exactly why, but we have
been riveted. We hope you are too, because this is
some fascinating stuff. And again, to just see Brian Walsh
in court with all that's been said and all that
he's accused of, it is it's hard to keep your
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eye off of that.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Courtroom just outside of Austin.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
But we are watching it for you in case you
don't have the time to do that, and we thank
you for listening to us.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
We always appreciate that. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes,
and we will talk to you soon
Hey, that folks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It is Thursday, December fourth, and day four of the
Brian Walsh trial is in the books, and I believe
Robes this possibly was one of the most highly anticipated
days of the trial, with one of the most highly
anticipated witnesses of the trial with that welcome to this
(00:31):
episode of Amy and TJ. Sorry about my ring tone
there on my phone just going off.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
But Rose, this.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Was a big deal of a day because Brian Walsh,
on trial for murdering his wife Anna Walsh, was involved
in an affair with a man by the name of
William Fastaw. He was on the standday he was, and.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
It was eye opening, fascinating and uncomfortable at times because yes,
he can you imagine he is sitting there in the
trial of the man who police say murdered his lover,
a man who he was sleeping with his wife. I mean,
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I can't even imagine what was going through his head
as he sat there answering questions, not just from obviously
the prosecution, but the cross examination was fairly intense, and
the defense did a pretty dang good job following up
on a couple of.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Items that certainly played into motive.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Look, they did a good job all day. Look again,
we have been talking some legal experts on this case,
and all of them say this is a shitter of
a case for any defense attorney, that just this is
almost impossible. But they keep giving credit to this defense
team and robes just as a casual observer, putting yourself
the position of the jury. They made some points today
(02:04):
that I set up and said, Okay, you're making me
now question motive and the point today a lot of
it was about whether or not Brian Walsh knew his
wife was having an affair, because that goes to what
the prosecution, you would say, is motive, motive for wanting
to get out of the marriage, motive for possibly wanting
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to kill her.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Ropes.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Today, the defense made some points that made me question
whether or not Brian Walsh knew.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, listening to William Fastau say that he never once
heard Anna say that she thought her husband knew about them,
knew about the affair, And maybe even more interesting to
me was that he acknowledged he was not ready to
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go public or be in a open relationship with her
given his situation. He was in the middle of a
he has young sons. They weren't ready for him to
introduce anyone into their lives, so he wasn't pushing for that.
And he even said that he knew Anna loved her
husband and wasn't necessarily looking to leave him or not
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be with him, and he testified to that. I thought
that was incredibly compelling.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Again, he gave us more insights into her, her thinking
and her thinking about her marriage today than I ever
imagined we would have. Like, today was a very busy day,
quite frankly, on the stand. There were a number of
witnesses up and down, a lot of experts dealing with
cell phone data, a general manager of the hotel excuse me,
(03:45):
a parmer complex, where the dumpsters were. There was a
lot just established who Anna Walsh was, where she was,
where she was not, and things like that. So there
was a lot of that stuff. But certainly the star
witness of the day was William fast Out Robes had
struck me. I did not realize. Again, as we're watching
the trial of Brian Walsh, accused of first degree murder
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for killing his wife, he says, and he has admitted
to cutting her up and disposing of her body. He
actually has pled guilty to those charges, but says he
did not kill her. That So this is where we are.
But ropes, I was struck well listening to William fast
Ow at just how involved they were and how much
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they seemed to actually care about each other, even to
the point of talking about a potential future.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Correct, And we learned I didn't know this how they
even met, how they even became involved romantically. But basically
what he knew Brian Walsh and Anna Walsh because he
sold them the town home that she used because she
was working in DC while her family and Brian lived
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and worked in Boston. She would commute, so she he
had regular plane tickets back and forth the DC. So
she needed a place to live while she worked there.
And so William Fastau sold the Walshes this town home,
and that is how they became connected. But yes, they
started out as friends and it developed from there. But
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clearly they cared about each other, and clearly they thought
they said he said, they didn't get specific about a
future that it was absolutely on the table.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So as we're as he's recounting all of this, folks,
if you haven't been watching, sitting thirty feet away from
him is Brian Walsh, the man who is accused of
killing and chopping up the woman that he cared about, right,
(05:50):
and then you have Brian Walsh sitting about thirty feet
away from the man who was involved in a very intimate, personal, loving,
even relationship with his wife. The point is that was.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
A very tense courtroom today.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, I was trying to imagine being in either of
those shoes, and it's fairly unthinkable because I was really
surprised at the cross examination of fast Out and what
Brian Walsh's defense team was able to get from him.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
And basically my takeaway, I walked.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Away believing that Brian Walsh didn't necessarily know or have
any reason to believe that William Fastau was involved romantically
with his wife.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Now, there were.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Some searches and some other evidence that came out that
might that could make me question it, but hearing directly
from Fastau himself, he did not believe that Brian knew
anything about their relationship.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And why is that important? Because you're trying to get
this jury to believe this man kill the woman in
a way you can't explain and put her body somewhere
that you can't find, So okay, so you have a
high bar and so I need to believe he had
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a good reason for killing this woman. One of those
reasons is because she was having affair. You've just put
doubt in my mind about whether or not he knew
this was legit.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Today there was doubt. There is doubt.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
There's absolute doubt that he knew, and I thought it
was really When Brian Walsh's defense attorney was following up
and following through, he said, or she said, excuse me,
when she was cross examining fast Out. He has a
couple of defense attorneys, one of them a female, one
of them a male. But she asked him, did you
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believe that Anna might end up staying with Brian? And
he said very much so, and she even went so
far as to say she made it very clear that
she did not want Brian to find out about this
relationship with him, and that if there ever came a
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point in which he needed to find out, because she
wanted to leave him and she wanted to spend her
life with William Fastau.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
She said very clearly that she wanted.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
To be the one who told him, and he made
it very clear that she not only loved her husband,
but cared about him and cared about how he felt
about what she was doing and the relationship she was having.
That was really remarkable to me. This didn't seem like
some broken marriage where she hated her husband. She hated
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her She was wanting to do anything to get away
from him. Look, you could have painted that picture because
Brian Walsh, her husband, was about to go to prison.
He was on house arrest for doing something. He was
convicted of selling off this fake art, trying to paint
it off as what was it?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
War Hall Andy Warhol.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
He was convicted, he was It cost them financially significantly.
He was owing upwards of almost half a million dollars
in restitution, so this was crippling them financially. He was
potentially about to go away to prison for several years,
leaving her alone with two three young, rambunctious boys.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
We heard them on the.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Audio tape, so I can say that with pretty decent
amount of confidence this was a They were a handful,
as three young boys might be at two, four and six.
That is my brother and my sister in law dealt
with that. I saw it from afar. That is not easy.
She was a hard working, full time working woman who
had a very important job that was in a different city,
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so you could see where she might have checked out
from her life, checked out from her husband, checked out
from her family, wanted a new life. That was not
the picture that William Fastau painted. He painted a picture
of a woman who loved her children, who loved her husband.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
But maybe she was lonely. Maybe this was I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
It was very different than what I thought it might be,
given how it ended, given how she ended up sadly, dismembered,
discarded in trash bags, and it seemed like by a
monster of a husband. And you could absolutely buy into
this narrative that he hated her, she hated him. They
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had no way out, and this is how it ended.
That's not the picture her lover painted. And that was
very shocking to me.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And there is no better in this trial insight. We're
going to get into what Anna Walsh was thinking.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Than this guy.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
He knew her, I won't say better, but at least
in a different and more intimate way than even her
closest friends, because she was confiding in him, she had
a secret. They had a life together, and if anybody
was going to know that she had any inclination that
her husband thought she was having an affair. It would
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be William fast out to hear him say so emphatically. Nope,
she never not a peep of Maybe he knew. That
is convincing today robes to put enough doubt. So that's
one check for the defense. At least I can take
this off the table as a possible motive. This is
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just a step by step thing and ropes. I don't know.
I look forward to talking to our next legal expert,
because how could you not say that the defense scored today?
Speaker 4 (11:39):
They did?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Because my other as a juror, as a human Again,
the judge asked these jurors, as they often do, to
use their common sense. I'm thinking to myself here listening
to William Fastau on the stand, thinking he must be angry.
I'm thinking he must be pissed that this man took
away this woman who he I don't know that he
loved her, but he cared deeply for her.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
He was potentially planning a future with her.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
He was already divorced, like he was in the throes
of a divorce, so he had.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Been separated, separate.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
He had been separated from his wife before they actually
became romantic. For at least a couple of months, I believe,
So he was technically free to do as he pleased,
free to be.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
In a relationship with someone else.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So to be staring down the man who has been
accused of violently taking her life and violently disposing of
her body, you would think that even just out of anger,
he would not do anything to help his defense. And
yet I would say today William Fastau's testimony absolutely helped
(12:45):
Brian Walsh's defense, And that's surprising to me.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Look, he was a prosecution witness.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Look that he was there to do his thing for them,
but that the defense, look, we have been impressed. Look,
I don't know what to say. It's a low bar,
but I'm saying it was such a difficult case that
any little nugget or score that the defense has seeds
may be really impressive. But so I am really amazed
(13:11):
because on day two we were like, how is he
going to get past these messages, these internet searches, And
now I'm sitting here looking and they have raised if
it raised it to us, there is some genuine doubt
about this one very important point. But yes, we've talked
about rods in this case so much has happened while
testimony in the actual trial is going on, But also
(13:32):
a lot has happened when the jury is out of
the room. And it happened again today a very important
moment and the judge making a decision about sentencing for
Brian Walsh that could impact this case. Stay here, all right, folks,
(13:58):
we continue now talking Day four of the Brian Ross's
trial robes a big question on this trial or hanging over.
I mean, he's on trial for first degree murder. He
was supposed to be on trial for first deary murder,
dismemberment and lying to police. He pled guilty to dismembering
or however the conveyance of a body or house some legal.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Term, basically acknowledging that he dismembered and disposed of his
wife's body.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
There it is, and he played guilty to that, and
he played guilty to lying to investigators. Now he's supposed
to be sentenced on those two charges. The judge has
been debating about whether to let the jury know one
that he pled guilty and two whether or not to
sentence him now. And she's still debating about it. And
(14:49):
that debate was going on today after the jury left
the room and she still doesn't know what she's going
to do.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
That's surprising to me that she doesn't know if she
hasn't ruled, it's surprising to me that she doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
She claims she has. She says she hasn't.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Because one day prior it seemed as though she was
leaning towards not letting the jury know. What would be
the benefit in letting the jury know?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
It seems as though there.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Are only legal potential potholes where the defense could claim
a mistrial, or they could use it for an appeal process,
if somehow they could say the jury was tainted because
they found out about prior bad acts or some sort
of acknowledgment of another offense that swayed them into finding
(15:35):
him guilty of first during murder.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Why would you want to.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Say yes to something that isn't necessary if it could
possibly taint the reasoning behind the outcome. It makes no
sense to me why she's even grappling with this.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
You know what it's You make a good point.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
The prosecution is requesting, and this is a debate they're
going back and forth about it. You make a very
very good point. What is the benefit, what how is
it hurting the prosecution's case that they can't tell the
jury this guy's planned guilty to these other things. You
make a very good point. She's saying as well, that
how can I sentence him for these other things because
(16:15):
they're kind of tied to this other thing first to
re murder. So depending on the outcome and the judgment
of that is going to have an impact on how
I rule or what the sentencing could be for this.
They couldn't negate it to some degree or could enhance it,
so there is no yet. Enhancement is what they keep using.
So it sounds like she's leaning against them knowing and
(16:36):
leaning against the sentencing before the end.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Of this trial.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
That would make the most sense to me.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I actually don't understand the argument to do anything but
that from Again, no legal mind here, I was not
I got my Bachelor of Arts in journalism. I am
not a legal scholar in any way, shape or form,
but just common sense. Again, I don't understand how that
would make any sense for her to go ahead and
(17:04):
sentence Brian Walsh for those two charges he pleaded guilty
to and then let the jury in on that.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
That is going to sway the jury you can't on
hear that?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
All right, Well, folks, we will start up again tomorrow morning.
They will be back at at day five of the
Brian Walsh trial. Testimony starts up again at nine a m.
If you all are interested, we'll let you know it is.
Court TV is covering this thing. If you want to
up there are probably some other places will tell you
what we're using.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Court TV.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
They have a live feed it's uninterrupted that you can
watch and we'll keep an eye. If you don't keep
an eye on that, you can just on your Apple
podcast app top right corner of the screen. On our
show page, it says follow click that and you'll get
our updates and we will have them every day for
you in this Brian Welsh trial.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Yeah, tomorrow is a kind of a half day. I guess.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
It's nine am to one pm tomorrow Eastern time. It's
a Friday. We don't know exactly why, but we have
been riveted. We hope you are too, because this is
some fascinating stuff. And again, to just see Brian Walsh
in court with all that's been said and all that
he's accused of, it is it's hard to keep your
(18:12):
eye off of that.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Courtroom just outside of Austin.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
But we are watching it for you in case you
don't have the time to do that, and we thank
you for listening to us.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
We always appreciate that. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes,
and we will talk to you soon
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