July 1, 2025 • 17 mins
There has been no shortage of activity ever since the jury began deliberating Monday. Amy and T.J. discuss the latest note from the jurors who are asking for specific testimony from two key witnesses. Meanwhile Diddy and his mom have a sweet exchange in court this morning as the anticipation grows for a verdict.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, that folks. It is Tuesday, July first, and the
first full day of deliberations is underway in the Ditty trial.
And sure enough, this morning, within an hour we heard
from the jury once again, welcome to this did he
update episode of Amy and TJ Robes it is? This
jury keeps it interesting. But they've sent another note. We'll
(00:23):
get the details about. There at least three notes they've
sent with some kind of either problem or question. Right,
but what do we Isn't this a good sign that
they're taking this seriously?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yes, And I love that they're inquisitive and asking questions
because it shows they want to make sure that they're
understanding things clearly and fully. And so yes, three notes
with questions, two notes with just letting the judge know
who the four person was and when they wanted to
end the day. But yeah, five notes total, three with
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questions in just what six and a half seven hours of.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Deliberation so far.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
So that is a pretty active jury who is engaging
directly with the judge quite often.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, they and again it's like yesterday we got a
note within an hour. Today or in about an hour today,
we actually got the note within an hour And this
just I was just struck by Wow. They've only been
there chatting it up for a short time. They came
with the very specific things that they wanted this morning.
But before any of that either had it could even
take place, we did, Like we say, usually there's some
(01:29):
housekeeping in the courtroom before the jury actually gets going.
We had that again. But it was interesting today. A
couple of notes from the folks in the courtroom that
we keep up with. On a personal note from Diddy
having to do with his family, the lack of family,
and frankly, what sounds like a sweet moment with his mom.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, he told her he liked her outfit, did he not?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
He said he loved what she was wearing. It's a
green and white zebra looking outfit. But yeah, he was
able to whisper in her ear and he told her basically,
it's I'm gonna be okay.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It's gonna be okay.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, he sounded it sounded sweet, it sounded reassured. Look,
we're only doing it. We can only do this by
reading comments from reporters in the room, but a couple
of them took note that he had more of an
interaction with his mom. However, he only has his mom
was the only one in the courtroom today at first,
I believe his sister, right.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Or his sister has now just shown up with his
mom to for this reading of this latest note that
the jury said, So they came back. They had been
hanging out in the cafeteria, I believe, and so they
came up to be there with him. But yet we
actually went by the courthouse earlier this morning, and it
is active outside. Folks are waiting anxiously, it seems, outside
(02:44):
of the courtroom. So yeah, it's been it's been an
active day. But the courtroom itself, they say a fewer
people are inside the actual courtroom today, understandably.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So yeah, I mean, it's supposed to be boring because
it's supposed to be no action in court. The judge
comes in, he gallbols everybody to order, welcome to the jury,
go do your work, and then we wait. So all
we're doing is sitting and waiting. All did he is
doing is sitting and waiting at the courthouse and a
holding cell with his books that he's allowed to have.
But this is a waiting game. Now, the back and
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forth with the lawyers to answer the questions Roode's other
point here, before we get into these, before we get
into the notes that they did send, this seems to
be taking time, like it's drawing deliberations that we're all
already expected to not go that quickly. It seems like
we're losing a lot of time on notes already.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
But honestly, you and I have talked about it. We
looked at as much as we could, we read the
judge's instructions.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
To the jury.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
This is a complicated case. This is not did he
do it, did he not do it? This is so
much more than that, and each charge is very specific
and hard to grasp what is what, So the language
they're having issue with some of the at least that
was the question that they gave the judge before they
broke deliberations yesterday, and it was the question that they
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had to answer this morning first thing, and it was
about what it means to distribute drugs. I mean, it's
it is a little unclear.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So that's yes, that's how the days started. They sent
a note yesterday, Yes, because we debated right here about it. Right,
if I go get drugs from this person and then
they're from my personal use and then I'm hanging out
with somebody else and said, hey, you want one of
my pills and give it to that person. Am I
a drug distributor? The prosecutors essentially are saying, hell yeah.
(04:35):
But the jury asked that question, and this morning, before
things got started, the judge did give the official response,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, it's funny you say that, because the prosecution asked
that the judge just simply respond to that question with
a yes.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
The defense not so much.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
They wanted to refer the jury back to a full
set of instructions and other parts of the charge, kind
of confusing. The judge said, okay, here's what I'm going
to do.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So he told the.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Jury to refer back to page thirty seven, lines one
through three of its jury charge, and then he quoted
the language from the instruction.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So here is what they said. This is what the
judge told the jury.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
The word distribution means actual, constructive, or attempted transfer. To
distribute simply means to deliver, to pass over, or to
hand over something to another person, or cause it to
be delivered, passed on, or handed over to another. Distribution
does not require a sale.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I thought that was really interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Okay, yeah, once you got to the end. I was
confused up to that, Like what does all that mean?
And they're having to figure this out. I don't know
I could fig it word for word actual constructive or
attempted transfer?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Like even if if I try to give you a pill,
that still counts as me being a distributor, even if
you didn't take it or if you didn't want it.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Fine, what's a constructive transfer?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
It actually was something that happened.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
There was there was a there was something that happened
from the transfer. You actually received the pill. That would
be how I read that.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
What if I caused it to be passed on?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Doing you told someone else, hey give If I told
a friend of mine, hey give this pill to TJ.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Okay, here's my next question I would send if I
was sitting the jerk, Can we ask this, Am I
a distributor if I never touched the drug? If I
tell my guy go pick up these drugs, he comes
back to the room with the stuff and then he
gives a pill, that would be my next question.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
The way I read it, the answer is yes to that,
because you are causing it to be delivered, passed on,
or handed over to another, not necessarily directly by your hand,
but you've caused the transfer to happen.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
You've ordered or asked for the transfer to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And this is what they're trying to figure out. Yeah,
and to the possibly send this man to jail for
the rest of his life. They're having to figure that out. Now.
It's feeling weightier and weightier that it comes down to
nuance and legalese and one pill and my understanding and
comprehension of the law and your understanding and comprehension. And
you're a deli clerk and I'm a molecular biologist. And
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the guy down at the end there is a retired banker,
and this one over here as an analyst. And you're
from Westchester and I'm from the Bronx. This is what
you're trying to get on the same page about this. Yes, so,
mar you've been my best friend for five years. You
and I are not gonna see eye to eye on
this quest. I'm saying, even sitting here with you, we
can't come to Oh, okay, I get it. Oh that
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Oh I see now, it seems just it seems ridiculous
when you think about how many times in your life.
If you even just put it to like alcohol or
something else you're giving someone, Suddenly now you're committing some
racketeering charge that could put you away for the rest
of your life because you handed something to someone or
you told someone to give someone something that may or
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may not be illegal. That's something that a lot of
folks will take to heart and probably personalize and humanize.
And so I know they're not supposed to do that.
This is supposed to be about the law, but that
law is not something that I think most people are
familiar with. It is a law that just seems like
the punishment is fairly intense given what the alleged crime is.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Oh, so we answered that question for the jury this
morning when they first got started. Sends them back to
deliberate and what was it forty five minutes I believe.
Later they give another note and they were very specific
about what they wanted in the note. So this is
the fresh note now that we got from the jury
today about forty five minutes into deliberations, and they wanted
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to hear ropes from two people in particular.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yes, they are asking for key testimony transcripts.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yes, this happened around ten fifteen this morning.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
It's taken a while for it to all take place
in court because they had to bring Diddy back into court,
his mother, his sister, and by the way, his youngest
daughter I just saw is back in court today with
them as well, so he's got three members of his family,
but everyone had to get seated again, the defense and
the prosecution. So finally, this is what the jury said.
They would like to see the.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Specific transscripts up.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Number one, they want to see Cassie Ventura's testimony regarding
the Intercontinental incident, that, of course is the surveillance video
that we've all seen. Number two, they want to see
Cassie Ventura's testimony concerns about the events at Cannes and
the immediate and.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
What happened afterwards.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
So they want to hear what she testified to about
what happened when she and Diddy went to can They
also want venturas testimony regarding interactions and freak offs, specifically
with the male escort Daniel Phillip. And they want Daniel
phillips testimony regarding the Essex Hotel incident with Ventur because
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I believe that is the moment in which he said
she didn't want to continue the freak off he heard,
he claims, he testified, did he slapping her around? There
was some beating going on, and then he told her
to get back in and continue the freak off. And
that's when Daniel Phillips said he couldn't actually perform because
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of what he witnessed. He just wasn't able to get
heart basically.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So I don't know why. I mean, just it's just
fascinating to think of what's happening in the jury room
that they are focused on this particular guy.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It's racketeering still, I believe because they're trying to this
is either kidnapping or this is sex trafficking within the
racketeering charge because that those are two of the or
coersion forced labor is another one of the crimes that
could fit the racketeer. So it could be any of
those things.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And it is fair to say, I mean, we don't
know how they are working in there, but does it
makes sense that they would do this one at a
time right right now? It's all racketeering, right right. We
haven't gotten to the other four. It seems again we
don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It seems like they're checking off the racketeering charges to
see if there's enough to fit right, so the drug charges,
whether it's forced labor or sex trafficking, a corrosion, one
of those things, because I had to go back and
look what happened in Can. But there were two parts
to her testimony about Can. One, she talked about getting
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kicked off the yacht without shoes and without her passport
because she and Diddy got into a fight over her.
He claimed she stole drugs from him. But then there
was also something she spoke about in the flight on
the way home from Can where she claimed that she
saw him watching videos of a freak off with her
that she thought he had deleted and showing them to
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other people in a way that made her feel intimidated.
So it could be either one or both of that
part of her testimony.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Again reminder, he's they have to prove. They have to
be convinced that he committed crimes that he's actually not
charged with. That sounds crazy, but to be convicted of racketeering,
they have to be convinced you committed at least two
of this long list of other crimes. And so they're
having to go through and check off did he do kidnapping, arsery, arson, bribery,
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forced labor transportation, to engage in prostitution, possession with the
intent to distribute, witness tampering. They have to go through
he said he did he do at least two of
these with one other person. If so, he's guilty of
racketeering and he could possibly go to jail the rest
of his life.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Right, And that is the other key.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
He had to conspire with someone in any of those
crimes you just listed off. He couldn't have done it
on his own because that wouldn't be racketeering. He has
to do it with someone within his enterprise, as the
prosecution has called it. So that's even more confusing. Even
if you could say, okay, we think he did one
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or two or several of these things.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
It wouldn't matter.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
They have to actually believe and see that he did
it with a co conspirator.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
That's wild to me.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
That's why that specific charge, which again carries the longest
prison term life in prison up to life in prison,
is a bizarre crime that I don't think a lot
of us understand because it almost feels like a trumped
up charge or and I know it's a charge that
they use in mob bosses and other but it just
isn't one that I think many of us are very
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familiar with.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
We hear about it, right, I hear about it plenty,
and nobody could ever a rico case of Sean Diddy Colmbs.
It's just this is what they're trying to piece get. Look,
the law is law, and they have used this before
in ways that this rico statue that has nothing to
do with Maha barses prosecutors have been using. Hey R.
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Kelly is sitting in jail right now with a racketeering charge,
so they have used it before. It's it's hard and
it's fascinating here to try to piece together. This all
has come about today after yesterday's I don't want to
call it rocky. It was a little bizarre, but I
don't know what to make of it. But it seems
everything is calmed down. We haven't heard anything more about
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JURR number twenty five.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah, we have not gotten an update.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
It seems as though I guess this is one of
those moments where you just figure no news is good news,
that somehow they figured it out, because right away there
must have just been a turbulent start or juring number
twenty five for whatever reason, the other jurors felt like
he was not willing to play nice, or he wasn't
willing to deliberate, or he wasn't willing to participate in
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what they believed was what the judge told them to do,
which was to actually sit down and try to work
things out, and maybe he had already made up his mind.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
That was our best guess.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I can't wait to hear one of the jurors come
out and explain what exactly was going on with jur
number twenty five, because I cannot think of another explanation
other than he had just already made up his mind
and did not want to have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
The judge, you know, send them back, said you all
keep doing your thing, and they have continued to do so.
But we I don't know. I'm holding my breath, it
seems because a verdict could come any moment in this trial,
any moment. But then every note that I've seen so far,
like wow, they're nowhere closes It almost aems like they're
just getting started. I know, well they kind of are,
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but yesterday with the jury issue and then today with
these some of these questions they are. I do not
envy this group. So this is all civic duty. We're
all supposed to do. This is a responsibility, and they
are serving right now.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
They certainly are.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And I can't help but wonder what the Diddy defense
team is thinking right now, because everyone always tries to
read the tea leaves about where the jurors are with
the questions they ask or the transcripts they want to see.
And I don't know if this feels scary to them,
if this is reassuring to them. I can't even imagine
what this Every single little bit of information that comes
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down has to just be so jarring for the team,
for Diddy, for his mother. Even that's why he said,
you know, calm down, it's gonna be all right. But
I just can't imagine what that would be like when
your life is on the line.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
All right, well, folk, we are keeping a very close
eye on it. A reminder of the jury yesterday left
at five. That was their their choice, but the judge
said he was going to leave it up to them
when they wanted to and how they wanted to work
during the day, so we could expect them possibly to
keep bankers hours they're going to work nine to five,
it seems every single day. But man fourth of July
(16:43):
is coming, and that's got to be a motivating factor
for this group.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
It has to be. It certainly has to be.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
But we of course will keep our eye on that
Manhattan Courthouse and we will jump in jump back on
your feet if there are any updates to give you.
But until then, I want to thank you for listening
to us. I am robot on behalf of my partner T. J. Holmes.
Hope you'll have a great day.
Hey, that folks. It is Tuesday, July first, and the
first full day of deliberations is underway in the Ditty trial.
And sure enough, this morning, within an hour we heard
from the jury once again, welcome to this did he
update episode of Amy and TJ Robes it is? This
jury keeps it interesting. But they've sent another note. We'll
(00:23):
get the details about. There at least three notes they've
sent with some kind of either problem or question. Right,
but what do we Isn't this a good sign that
they're taking this seriously?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yes, And I love that they're inquisitive and asking questions
because it shows they want to make sure that they're
understanding things clearly and fully. And so yes, three notes
with questions, two notes with just letting the judge know
who the four person was and when they wanted to
end the day. But yeah, five notes total, three with
(00:54):
questions in just what six and a half seven hours of.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Deliberation so far.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
So that is a pretty active jury who is engaging
directly with the judge quite often.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, they and again it's like yesterday we got a
note within an hour. Today or in about an hour today,
we actually got the note within an hour And this
just I was just struck by Wow. They've only been
there chatting it up for a short time. They came
with the very specific things that they wanted this morning.
But before any of that either had it could even
take place, we did, Like we say, usually there's some
(01:29):
housekeeping in the courtroom before the jury actually gets going.
We had that again. But it was interesting today. A
couple of notes from the folks in the courtroom that
we keep up with. On a personal note from Diddy
having to do with his family, the lack of family,
and frankly, what sounds like a sweet moment with his mom.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, he told her he liked her outfit, did he not?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
He said he loved what she was wearing. It's a
green and white zebra looking outfit. But yeah, he was
able to whisper in her ear and he told her basically,
it's I'm gonna be okay.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It's gonna be okay.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, he sounded it sounded sweet, it sounded reassured. Look,
we're only doing it. We can only do this by
reading comments from reporters in the room, but a couple
of them took note that he had more of an
interaction with his mom. However, he only has his mom
was the only one in the courtroom today at first,
I believe his sister, right.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Or his sister has now just shown up with his
mom to for this reading of this latest note that
the jury said, So they came back. They had been
hanging out in the cafeteria, I believe, and so they
came up to be there with him. But yet we
actually went by the courthouse earlier this morning, and it
is active outside. Folks are waiting anxiously, it seems, outside
(02:44):
of the courtroom. So yeah, it's been it's been an
active day. But the courtroom itself, they say a fewer
people are inside the actual courtroom today, understandably.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So yeah, I mean, it's supposed to be boring because
it's supposed to be no action in court. The judge
comes in, he gallbols everybody to order, welcome to the jury,
go do your work, and then we wait. So all
we're doing is sitting and waiting. All did he is
doing is sitting and waiting at the courthouse and a
holding cell with his books that he's allowed to have.
But this is a waiting game. Now, the back and
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forth with the lawyers to answer the questions Roode's other
point here, before we get into these, before we get
into the notes that they did send, this seems to
be taking time, like it's drawing deliberations that we're all
already expected to not go that quickly. It seems like
we're losing a lot of time on notes already.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
But honestly, you and I have talked about it. We
looked at as much as we could, we read the
judge's instructions.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
To the jury.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
This is a complicated case. This is not did he
do it, did he not do it? This is so
much more than that, and each charge is very specific
and hard to grasp what is what, So the language
they're having issue with some of the at least that
was the question that they gave the judge before they
broke deliberations yesterday, and it was the question that they
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had to answer this morning first thing, and it was
about what it means to distribute drugs. I mean, it's
it is a little unclear.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So that's yes, that's how the days started. They sent
a note yesterday, Yes, because we debated right here about it. Right,
if I go get drugs from this person and then
they're from my personal use and then I'm hanging out
with somebody else and said, hey, you want one of
my pills and give it to that person. Am I
a drug distributor? The prosecutors essentially are saying, hell yeah.
(04:35):
But the jury asked that question, and this morning, before
things got started, the judge did give the official response,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, it's funny you say that, because the prosecution asked
that the judge just simply respond to that question with
a yes.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
The defense not so much.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
They wanted to refer the jury back to a full
set of instructions and other parts of the charge, kind
of confusing. The judge said, okay, here's what I'm going
to do.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So he told the.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Jury to refer back to page thirty seven, lines one
through three of its jury charge, and then he quoted
the language from the instruction.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So here is what they said. This is what the
judge told the jury.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
The word distribution means actual, constructive, or attempted transfer. To
distribute simply means to deliver, to pass over, or to
hand over something to another person, or cause it to
be delivered, passed on, or handed over to another. Distribution
does not require a sale.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I thought that was really interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Okay, yeah, once you got to the end. I was
confused up to that, Like what does all that mean?
And they're having to figure this out. I don't know
I could fig it word for word actual constructive or
attempted transfer?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Like even if if I try to give you a pill,
that still counts as me being a distributor, even if
you didn't take it or if you didn't want it.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Fine, what's a constructive transfer?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
It actually was something that happened.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
There was there was a there was something that happened
from the transfer. You actually received the pill. That would
be how I read that.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
What if I caused it to be passed on?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Doing you told someone else, hey give If I told
a friend of mine, hey give this pill to TJ.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Okay, here's my next question I would send if I
was sitting the jerk, Can we ask this, Am I
a distributor if I never touched the drug? If I
tell my guy go pick up these drugs, he comes
back to the room with the stuff and then he
gives a pill, that would be my next question.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
The way I read it, the answer is yes to that,
because you are causing it to be delivered, passed on,
or handed over to another, not necessarily directly by your hand,
but you've caused the transfer to happen.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
You've ordered or asked for the transfer to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And this is what they're trying to figure out. Yeah,
and to the possibly send this man to jail for
the rest of his life. They're having to figure that out. Now.
It's feeling weightier and weightier that it comes down to
nuance and legalese and one pill and my understanding and
comprehension of the law and your understanding and comprehension. And
you're a deli clerk and I'm a molecular biologist. And
(07:18):
the guy down at the end there is a retired banker,
and this one over here as an analyst. And you're
from Westchester and I'm from the Bronx. This is what
you're trying to get on the same page about this. Yes, so,
mar you've been my best friend for five years. You
and I are not gonna see eye to eye on
this quest. I'm saying, even sitting here with you, we
can't come to Oh, okay, I get it. Oh that
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Oh I see now, it seems just it seems ridiculous
when you think about how many times in your life.
If you even just put it to like alcohol or
something else you're giving someone, Suddenly now you're committing some
racketeering charge that could put you away for the rest
of your life because you handed something to someone or
you told someone to give someone something that may or
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may not be illegal. That's something that a lot of
folks will take to heart and probably personalize and humanize.
And so I know they're not supposed to do that.
This is supposed to be about the law, but that
law is not something that I think most people are
familiar with. It is a law that just seems like
the punishment is fairly intense given what the alleged crime is.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Oh, so we answered that question for the jury this
morning when they first got started. Sends them back to
deliberate and what was it forty five minutes I believe.
Later they give another note and they were very specific
about what they wanted in the note. So this is
the fresh note now that we got from the jury
today about forty five minutes into deliberations, and they wanted
(08:53):
to hear ropes from two people in particular.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yes, they are asking for key testimony transcripts.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yes, this happened around ten fifteen this morning.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
It's taken a while for it to all take place
in court because they had to bring Diddy back into court,
his mother, his sister, and by the way, his youngest
daughter I just saw is back in court today with
them as well, so he's got three members of his family,
but everyone had to get seated again, the defense and
the prosecution. So finally, this is what the jury said.
They would like to see the.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Specific transscripts up.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Number one, they want to see Cassie Ventura's testimony regarding
the Intercontinental incident, that, of course is the surveillance video
that we've all seen. Number two, they want to see
Cassie Ventura's testimony concerns about the events at Cannes and
the immediate and.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
What happened afterwards.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
So they want to hear what she testified to about
what happened when she and Diddy went to can They
also want venturas testimony regarding interactions and freak offs, specifically
with the male escort Daniel Phillip. And they want Daniel
phillips testimony regarding the Essex Hotel incident with Ventur because
(10:06):
I believe that is the moment in which he said
she didn't want to continue the freak off he heard,
he claims, he testified, did he slapping her around? There
was some beating going on, and then he told her
to get back in and continue the freak off. And
that's when Daniel Phillips said he couldn't actually perform because
(10:29):
of what he witnessed. He just wasn't able to get
heart basically.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So I don't know why. I mean, just it's just
fascinating to think of what's happening in the jury room
that they are focused on this particular guy.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It's racketeering still, I believe because they're trying to this
is either kidnapping or this is sex trafficking within the
racketeering charge because that those are two of the or
coersion forced labor is another one of the crimes that
could fit the racketeer. So it could be any of
those things.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And it is fair to say, I mean, we don't
know how they are working in there, but does it
makes sense that they would do this one at a
time right right now? It's all racketeering, right right. We
haven't gotten to the other four. It seems again we
don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It seems like they're checking off the racketeering charges to
see if there's enough to fit right, so the drug charges,
whether it's forced labor or sex trafficking, a corrosion, one
of those things, because I had to go back and
look what happened in Can. But there were two parts
to her testimony about Can. One, she talked about getting
(11:37):
kicked off the yacht without shoes and without her passport
because she and Diddy got into a fight over her.
He claimed she stole drugs from him. But then there
was also something she spoke about in the flight on
the way home from Can where she claimed that she
saw him watching videos of a freak off with her
that she thought he had deleted and showing them to
(11:58):
other people in a way that made her feel intimidated.
So it could be either one or both of that
part of her testimony.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Again reminder, he's they have to prove. They have to
be convinced that he committed crimes that he's actually not
charged with. That sounds crazy, but to be convicted of racketeering,
they have to be convinced you committed at least two
of this long list of other crimes. And so they're
having to go through and check off did he do kidnapping, arsery, arson, bribery,
(12:32):
forced labor transportation, to engage in prostitution, possession with the
intent to distribute, witness tampering. They have to go through
he said he did he do at least two of
these with one other person. If so, he's guilty of
racketeering and he could possibly go to jail the rest
of his life.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Right, And that is the other key.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
He had to conspire with someone in any of those
crimes you just listed off. He couldn't have done it
on his own because that wouldn't be racketeering. He has
to do it with someone within his enterprise, as the
prosecution has called it. So that's even more confusing. Even
if you could say, okay, we think he did one
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or two or several of these things.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
It wouldn't matter.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
They have to actually believe and see that he did
it with a co conspirator.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
That's wild to me.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
That's why that specific charge, which again carries the longest
prison term life in prison up to life in prison,
is a bizarre crime that I don't think a lot
of us understand because it almost feels like a trumped
up charge or and I know it's a charge that
they use in mob bosses and other but it just
isn't one that I think many of us are very
(13:42):
familiar with.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
We hear about it, right, I hear about it plenty,
and nobody could ever a rico case of Sean Diddy Colmbs.
It's just this is what they're trying to piece get. Look,
the law is law, and they have used this before
in ways that this rico statue that has nothing to
do with Maha barses prosecutors have been using. Hey R.
(14:05):
Kelly is sitting in jail right now with a racketeering charge,
so they have used it before. It's it's hard and
it's fascinating here to try to piece together. This all
has come about today after yesterday's I don't want to
call it rocky. It was a little bizarre, but I
don't know what to make of it. But it seems
everything is calmed down. We haven't heard anything more about
(14:26):
JURR number twenty five.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah, we have not gotten an update.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
It seems as though I guess this is one of
those moments where you just figure no news is good news,
that somehow they figured it out, because right away there
must have just been a turbulent start or juring number
twenty five for whatever reason, the other jurors felt like
he was not willing to play nice, or he wasn't
willing to deliberate, or he wasn't willing to participate in
(14:49):
what they believed was what the judge told them to do,
which was to actually sit down and try to work
things out, and maybe he had already made up his mind.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
That was our best guess.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I can't wait to hear one of the jurors come
out and explain what exactly was going on with jur
number twenty five, because I cannot think of another explanation
other than he had just already made up his mind
and did not want to have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
The judge, you know, send them back, said you all
keep doing your thing, and they have continued to do so.
But we I don't know. I'm holding my breath, it
seems because a verdict could come any moment in this trial,
any moment. But then every note that I've seen so far,
like wow, they're nowhere closes It almost aems like they're
just getting started. I know, well they kind of are,
(15:31):
but yesterday with the jury issue and then today with
these some of these questions they are. I do not
envy this group. So this is all civic duty. We're
all supposed to do. This is a responsibility, and they
are serving right now.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
They certainly are.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And I can't help but wonder what the Diddy defense
team is thinking right now, because everyone always tries to
read the tea leaves about where the jurors are with
the questions they ask or the transcripts they want to see.
And I don't know if this feels scary to them,
if this is reassuring to them. I can't even imagine
what this Every single little bit of information that comes
(16:09):
down has to just be so jarring for the team,
for Diddy, for his mother. Even that's why he said,
you know, calm down, it's gonna be all right. But
I just can't imagine what that would be like when
your life is on the line.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
All right, well, folk, we are keeping a very close
eye on it. A reminder of the jury yesterday left
at five. That was their their choice, but the judge
said he was going to leave it up to them
when they wanted to and how they wanted to work
during the day, so we could expect them possibly to
keep bankers hours they're going to work nine to five,
it seems every single day. But man fourth of July
(16:43):
is coming, and that's got to be a motivating factor
for this group.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
It has to be. It certainly has to be.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
But we of course will keep our eye on that
Manhattan Courthouse and we will jump in jump back on
your feet if there are any updates to give you.
But until then, I want to thank you for listening
to us. I am robot on behalf of my partner T. J. Holmes.
Hope you'll have a great day.
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