May 14, 2025 • 22 mins
A pool of baby oil. A male escort known only as “The Punisher.” A “freak off” that lasted 4 days. Amy & T.J. go through the shocking testimony heard so far from the prosecution’s star witness, Combs’ ex-girlfriend Cassie Ventura. 38-year-old Ventura - while 8 months pregnant and with her husband in the courtroom — goes into graphic, griping, and at times, heartbreaking detail about those infamous Diddy sex parties and how she lived in constant fear of physical violence.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, they're folks, and welcome to Amy and TJ presents
the Diddy Trial. This is Wednesday, May fourteenth, which represents
day three of testimony in the Diddy trial. In day
two was absolutely captivating roads. There's a lot of people
know there are no cameras being allowed in the courtroom,
so there is a whole bunch of places you can
(00:24):
go and try to pluck and figure out exactly what
happened in court. So we decide we're actually doing this
right here to kind of all put it in one
place and kind of give you the latest, the updates
and maybe what's most important that's come out of the
trial so far.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, it's interesting because you do have to go to
several different sources to piece together what was said in
court because there was so much to go through. Yesterday's
testimony with Ditty's ex girlfriend Cassie Ventura, was you said, captivating.
It was so difficult to hear. It's mind boggling to
(01:00):
hear what she claims happened to her over a ten
year period. But man, does she get into the details
and they are.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Gic, gripping and graphic graphic. Is certainly want to give
your heads up here, folks, A lot of what you're
going to hear hear us describe over the next several
minutes is absolutely gripping. But yes, it is absolutely graphic
detail and descriptions of those infamous free coughs I think robes.
When he was first arrested, in the story first start
coming out, rightly or wrongly, a lot of headlines were
(01:31):
about the salaciousness, if you will, of these freak coughs,
these sex parties and baby oil and all these things.
But she gave us a different type of accounting and
more detailed than we've heard so far.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Probably baby oil, I feel like those were the two
words that everyone was talking about, and how much baby
oil was found in his homes when they were rated
by police. But she certainly talks about how it was
used and how drugs were used, how she didn't sleep
for days, she claims, because she was hopped up on drugs.
(02:04):
And she talks about what the hotel rooms look like
after these freak offs. She said that linen's were stained
with blood and urine and baby oil and just the
destruction that took place in some of these rooms, she claimed.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
So let's get to what was day two? So this
is when, Yes, Cassie Ventura took the stance. She has
absolutely star witnessed in this case. She's the one who
was in a relationship with Ditty for about ten years.
They were on and off, but this is his former girlfriend. Now.
She entered the courtroom yesterday and by all accounts, she
didn't look at him at all. She is thirty eight
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year old woman now who is married, who is about
to have another child, she's eight months pregnant, in the
courtroom testifying well some pretty awful stuff, and they say
she gestured at time and holding her stomach is what
several places were describing.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yes, And in fact, Ditty's lawyers were so concerned about
how that would play for the jury because she had
I think she's eight and a half months pregnant. She
is literally about to give birth, and they were concerned.
Diddy's attorneys were concerned that that might make some of
the jurors more sympathetic and cause problems for Ditty in
terms of just his believability, because people obviously have sympathy
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for what she's saying she went through in addition to
her current her current condition. So they asked that she
be seated. The whole time. They didn't want jurors to
see her standing up, They didn't want to have durors
see her walking in. But yeah, she walked in eight
and a half months pregnant, as you pointed out, didn't
look at him, but by the folks who saw him
in the court and said he turned his head and
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watched her walk all the way up to the witness stands.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
And a reminder her of folks. We call her a
star witness, but I think it's fair, is it not
right Robes that we can say she is the one
who maybe started this snowball going downhill for Diddy when
she was suing him for I think I don't know
if the amount was out at the time, but she
was suing him for millions and millions of dollars for
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how she was treated. He said he wasn't going to settle.
I think did the video come out, and I think
twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Later everything changed, correct, So yeah, she filed a lawsuit
I believe it was back in twenty twenty three, claiming
much of what we're hearing in court today about what
happened to her. And yes, he settled that lawsuit immediately
when that video came out, but that, of course, then
got the attention of federal officials who then started to
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investigate did he And that's when all of this actually
became a legal issue for him.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So thirty million dollars is what she got from him.
But then here come lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuits. So
there have been dozens of lawsuits, as you know, people
coming after him in civil suits having to do with
how they alleged he treated him. But this is now
a criminal case. The federal authorities launched a federal case,
so that is what he's dealing with. Now. Five federal
counts could get life in prison. But their star witness
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took the stand. And we have to remember Robes and
this is something we look at her now. She's adult,
she's composed, she's thirty eight now, but she was nineteen
years old when they met, he signed her. Can you
go back that long, some twenty years and remember just
how on top of the world he was. And for
the idea of a nineteen year old starting out for
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Sean Diddy Combs to sign you and to show you attention.
Your daughter just turned nineteen. And when I put it
in that kind of context, to think of how young,
how immature you are at that point. That struck me.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
You know, I get chills a lot, But as soon
as I heard nineteen, you hit it. I have a
daughter who literally just turned nineteen. She doesn't know anything
about anything.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And yes, easily to be offensive, that's just what it is.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I didn't know anything when I was nineteen, so easily influenced.
You have big stars in your eyes. You actually think
the best of people, not the worst. You don't know
to think that, You don't think anything like that could
happen to you. And so, yes, she's nineteen, she's starstruck,
and now he's paying her attention. After he signs her
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to his label, he literally has control over her career.
I believe he signed her to a ten year album deal.
She revealed in court that she made ten albums but
only one got released because he had control over everything
in her life.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
And again, I can't imagine how star struck you would
be at that point. This is the guy that can
make all of your dreams come true, and he's telling
you how wonderful you are. So they met or she
signed at nineteen, but they didn't start dating immediately, she
says in her testimony, she didn't want to date him
and wasn't interested in him in that way, but twenty
first birthday party, he kisses her unexpectedly and unwanted, and
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she said it took her a little while to get
comfortable with the idea of dating him, because that's not
just something that was on her mind at the time.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, and she says that within that first year of
dating him, they weren't public, but he had just mentioned
voyeurism to her, that it was a fantasy of his
to watch other men have sex with her. So it
didn't happen right away. Obviously, they had an intimate relationship
where it was just the two of them, at least
that's what she thought until he brings up this idea.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And she mentioned as well, I mean this was the start,
the first time they had again. She describes all this
on the stand. The first time they had sex was
on a boat, I believe in Miami. She says she
was hopped up on ecstasy at the time that he
had given her. So from the very beginning of an
intimate relationship, he's feeding her and she's still she's an
adult at this point, but feeding her drugs. This is
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kind of I guess set the stage for what their
relationship was going to be. And you think, well, why
would she do this, why would she participate? Why would
she stick around? She didn't think she had a choice.
This is the guy, like you just said, had control
of what.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Her career and her life and her money and her
and her opportunity. And I think that's a huge thing.
When you're that young, you're thinking about what you're wanting,
and then once you realize you're in bed literally with
a man who has total control over your career and
has power like no one else truly in that community,
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in that music community. He was the guy. So you're
going to go against him, You're going to tell him
no when he can literally make or break your career.
This is what she describes. And so when he asked
her to have sex with other men while he watched,
she said she felt like she couldn't turn him down
because she wanted to make him happy. She says she
was in love with him, and then she went on
to give incredibly graphic details about what happened during those
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sex parties.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And those sex parties, she's again, it was a year
into them dating until he first mentioned that, and she said,
she yes, she went along with this first one, the
first couple, but then they became weekly occurrences. This was
happening every single week, she said, in every single one
of them robes, she was high as she could be.
She was on whatever drug that he gave her, or
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she could be on, and she wanted to be because,
in her words, she needed a buffer to dissociate from
the experience.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Awful makes sense, I mean, I get that. She says
she was on mushrooms, ecstasy, cocaine, marijuana, any drug that
was available, and she said there were always drugs available.
She talked about having to look up the male escorts
and then show did He the pictures of them to
make sure he approved. They had to be black males,
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and she said she didn't know many of them by
their names, but she talked about one that was referred
to as and this is disturbing the punisher. And that's
when she says did he would watch and pleasure himself
while she had sex with other men. Sometimes he was
in the corner in the room. The rooms were dark.
He had the lighting the way he wanted it, she claimed.
Sometimes it was candle light, sometimes it was lighting like
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you'd see in a music video, but he'd if he
wasn't in the room. She says, he would watch on
FaceTime and he would direct, as if he was directing
a porno or a movie, what he wanted them to
do and how long he wanted.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Them to do it. So what she's describing now on
the stand, and she was on the stand for six
hours yesterday, but what she was describing became her job, right.
This is a young woman who nineteen twenty twenty one,
twenty two years old. She thinks her career was about
to take off, and instead her main job and focus
of her life became pleasuring this guy with this fantasy
that she said that he had. And yeah, she got
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into a lot. You said he directed robes. One of
the big things she said he directed was how much
and even the temperature of the baby oil?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah with U. And she said that she would have
to reapply the baby oil as often as every five minutes,
because she said that he wanted their bodies to be glistening.
That's the word she used. And she said that they
would use up to ten bottles per sex session. That's
hard to get your head around. She said. One time
they even filled up a blow up pool in a
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hotel room that was just full of heated baby oil,
and she was told to get in with her shoes
and her outfit on so again that she would glisten.
I think one of the most disgusting parts, I mean,
this is all hard to digest, but is when she
described what she was forced to do. She claims with
the male escort, which involved urination.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And it looks it's awful. She and we say this,
we are talking about an adult, a grown woman who's
about to have another child. Her husband is sitting in
the courtroom having to hear this crap. And you give
her credit for she has to face this guy in court. Yes,
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innocent until proven guilty, and this is what we have
a trial for. But this is what she described that
there were times that the male escort and Combs would
actually urinate on her. She said she did, she felt
disgusted and humiliated, but she continued to go along with
these parties and the humiliation, all for the sake of
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trying to make this man happy.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
What struck me too is when she was describing one
of those moments, she said she actually would start choking
where she actually thought she couldn't breathe, and she'd have
to lift up her hands to get ditty. She says,
to allow it to stop. I mean that I cannot.
It makes I mean, it just makes any woman or
anyone want to cry even thinking about being in that position,
(12:28):
or being put in that position, or feeling like you
couldn't get out of that position. And so you think
about what's happening. What she says is happening, And she
says they went on for days, sometimes as little as
thirty six hours, sometimes as long as four days, she says,
with no sleep.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Now that sounds wild, but the idea there. She said
she was on drugs to the point that it kept
her awake for all this time. Now you're going through
this physical exertion. You're going through this obviously a mental
I can't imagine how someone might feel at the end
of two days, three days.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Four days, she'd say she was dehydrated. She was you know,
she hadn't slept, she hadn't had proper nutrition, proper hydration,
I mean, all of those things. And so you've got
all of this going on. But also, she claims under
the threat of constant physical violence from Diddy. She claims
that if she made the wrong face, she would get
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hit in the face. If she acted like she didn't
want to do something, she would be she would be dragged,
she would be hit, she would have things thrown at.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Her, and look one of the like you said, I
think MoMA was one of the most searing images of
this whole trial obviously has to be that video that
we all saw. It was the one that CNN obtained
up Hire in the hallway, dragging, kicking, beating her in
that hotel. Well, it turns out, she testified yesterday, that
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was her trying to escape a freak off in that hotel.
What you saw there, she explains now, her trying to
get away from one of these awful sex parties. She said,
in particular, there was something going on th wh was
she had to be in public or something she actually
didn't want.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
She had a big movie premiere within a few days,
and then she ended up getting a black eye because
of it. She says from that video that unfortunately we
have all seen. But she actually this was a quote
from her while she was testifying about little small arguments
that they might have had. She said they would suddenly
turn violent. She said that Diddy would smash me in
my head, knock me over, drag me, kick me, stop
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me in the head if I had fallen down and
you pointed this out. All of this is heartbreaking. All
of this is disgusting, but something she responded to. She
was asked if there was anything she enjoyed about the experience.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Her response was what the time spent with him.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
She loved him.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That sucks. She was just a young girl. That just sucks.
Look and a lot of this, yes, is salacious, and
a lot of the details, and what the defense is
arguing here is that don't get caught up in the
salacious details. This is not a case about domestic violence,
(15:14):
right you all are charging him with sex trafficking. This
would be a different situation if this case were about
his domestic violence. It's not. So they're saying, just because
you're seeing these awful things, and just because you saw
that video, it doesn't mean that the government has a
legitimate case against this man. It is all you're going
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to see. And they say they're going to show these
freak offs in court, and we should mention as well
that journalists have been asking to see them as well,
and a judge at this point at least is said no.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
But he did seem like perhaps he was willing to
hear the arguments for First Amendment rights. Obviously, the concern
is there are victims or alleged victims here who are naked,
and so obviously there are privacy issues that are like
massive here.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
What was that? And forgive me, he said, what's the date?
He's given them a timeline to respond, I believe, to
put in an argument for whether or not he's going
to let journalists. But he's expecting to your point, they
are expecting some types of arguments to be made by
several sides about it, and they want look pool reporters.
It wouldn't be just showing an opening court to everybody,
but they would have a couple of pool reporters look
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at it and then be able to report back.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
What they saw what they saw, you know. And we're
also expecting Cassie is back up on the stand today
and she will be cross examined, but we are expecting
her to detail what she claims was an actual rape
by Diddy. And you mentioned her husband is in the courtroom.
The defense did not want him in the courtroom. They
said that they may actually call him to testify on
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their side to corroborate what they're claiming, and so they
didn't want him to hear her testimony. A compromise was made,
and so when she does go into those details about
what she says was rape, he will have to leave
the courtroom, and that happens. But otherwise he is listening
to all of this. I'm sure he's heard it before.
I'm sure they've obviously talked about this, but that still
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has to be such a sickening, unthinkable experience for a
husband to hear his wife describe.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And I to listen to her now, and there were
so many pictures of her, and I think a lot
of the coverage we have seen her on the red
carpet at the met We have seen so many different
images of her standing next to him, and I don't
know their stars and they're supposed to be sexy sometimes
and all this. But then I looked earlier at some
(17:37):
pictures of her, when she first was coming out of
first becoming a star. There was a youth and energy,
a life to her eyes. This is me editorializing now,
but there was a different look and a youth and
an excitement, and there was something in her early on
that it made me look and made me think about Adelise, like, wow, nineteen, Yeah,
she's a kid.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
She's a kid.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
She's a kid.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah. And he was thirty six, eventeen years older than her.
And we talk about age differences sometimes, but you know,
it's one of those points when you're a certain age,
it isn't I hate to say a fair fight, but
you just don't have the ability to handle yourself in
a reciprocal way when you're that age, when you're under
twenty one even or in your early twenties, versus someone
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who has lived a lot more life and has a
lot more power than you.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Okay, there it is. There is an age difference and
experienced difference, but there's a power imbalance the likes of
which you can't even get bigger than this one. No
starving artists trying to struggle in the business with a
guy who can make you a star in an instant.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And has a staff around him. This is a big
part of the prosecution's case. A staff almost an empire
around him, doing his bidding, whatever he wants, whatever he needs,
whenever he wants it.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
So I did. I looked some other pictures of her,
some younger pictures. In my goodness, Ugh, what are twenty
years it has been for this young lady. And this
was again day three. She's back on the stand cross
examine nation from the defense. You know, that's probably going
to be pretty intense in that courtroom. But the first
couple of witnesses on the stand that were there for
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testimony yesterday and the day before, where two folks, one
was a LA police officer who was the one who
responded to that hotel incident, and the other ropes was
a male escort by the name of Daniel Phillip, and
everything they reported pretty much backed up, excuse me, everything
they testified to backed up the testimony of.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Correct absolutely Daniel Phillip, who is who is a manager
of male strippers but also became a male escort and
was the one initially who both Daniel and ventur acclaim
did he had them perform sexual acts together while he watched.
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He said he saw violence, he said he saw anger.
He said he saw a lot of that physical violence
that ventur was talking about. He witnessed it personersonally. So
he certainly corroborated what we've now been hearing from Ventura.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Well, she will be back on the stands again, you
see and no cameras in there, but some of you
have seen an unknown robes. You've pointed them out every
chance you can to me, and look, we've covered a
whole bunch of trials. And when there's not a camera
in the courtroom, you have very important. The courtroom artist
becomes very very important. And I saw one of the drawings, like,
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what in the world is that? It showed an image
of did he you know those crude courtroom drawings, but
he was making the heart sign at his chest. I'm like,
what in the world is that about. Well, it turns
out he made that gesture to his family, I think
specifically to his mother. When I first saw the image,
I think he didn't do that to Cassie, did he? No,
he did not. Did he did it to his family?
I think he blew a kiss to his mom, who
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was in the courtroom, is how it was described. But
his family's been showing up front row every day.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, his mom is there, his children are there the
first day, and I believe when the testimony gets graphic,
at least the first day, his three daughters did leave
the court room while that was happening. I cannot imagine
having family members' children present when all of this is
being alleged against you, but certainly a show of support
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for Diddy from his family who have stood by his
side throughout all of.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
This, and it's incredible ropes. I'm sitting here, I'm facing
out of our window here in downtown Manhattan, and there's
just a couple of buildings that are blocking our view
right now of the courthouse where this is happening. Two days.
So it has been interesting down here downtown. I can't
believe this trial is already here. Seemed like what long ago.
He was just being arrested uptown last September, and here
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we are with the trial already. So we will try
to Now we will continue to update you as it warrants,
but it's so much out there and it is hard
to try to put it all together, piece it all together.
So we were hoping to do that for you all here.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, we will keep you updated on the Diddy trial
over the next couple of weeks. It's expected to go
as long as eight weeks for a total of two months,
so we will keep you updated. But in the meantime,
thank you for listening to Amy and tej
Hey, they're folks, and welcome to Amy and TJ presents
the Diddy Trial. This is Wednesday, May fourteenth, which represents
day three of testimony in the Diddy trial. In day
two was absolutely captivating roads. There's a lot of people
know there are no cameras being allowed in the courtroom,
so there is a whole bunch of places you can
(00:24):
go and try to pluck and figure out exactly what
happened in court. So we decide we're actually doing this
right here to kind of all put it in one
place and kind of give you the latest, the updates
and maybe what's most important that's come out of the
trial so far.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, it's interesting because you do have to go to
several different sources to piece together what was said in
court because there was so much to go through. Yesterday's
testimony with Ditty's ex girlfriend Cassie Ventura, was you said, captivating.
It was so difficult to hear. It's mind boggling to
(01:00):
hear what she claims happened to her over a ten
year period. But man, does she get into the details
and they are.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Gic, gripping and graphic graphic. Is certainly want to give
your heads up here, folks, A lot of what you're
going to hear hear us describe over the next several
minutes is absolutely gripping. But yes, it is absolutely graphic
detail and descriptions of those infamous free coughs I think robes.
When he was first arrested, in the story first start
coming out, rightly or wrongly, a lot of headlines were
(01:31):
about the salaciousness, if you will, of these freak coughs,
these sex parties and baby oil and all these things.
But she gave us a different type of accounting and
more detailed than we've heard so far.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Probably baby oil, I feel like those were the two
words that everyone was talking about, and how much baby
oil was found in his homes when they were rated
by police. But she certainly talks about how it was
used and how drugs were used, how she didn't sleep
for days, she claims, because she was hopped up on drugs.
(02:04):
And she talks about what the hotel rooms look like
after these freak offs. She said that linen's were stained
with blood and urine and baby oil and just the
destruction that took place in some of these rooms, she claimed.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
So let's get to what was day two? So this
is when, Yes, Cassie Ventura took the stance. She has
absolutely star witnessed in this case. She's the one who
was in a relationship with Ditty for about ten years.
They were on and off, but this is his former girlfriend. Now.
She entered the courtroom yesterday and by all accounts, she
didn't look at him at all. She is thirty eight
(02:38):
year old woman now who is married, who is about
to have another child, she's eight months pregnant, in the
courtroom testifying well some pretty awful stuff, and they say
she gestured at time and holding her stomach is what
several places were describing.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yes, And in fact, Ditty's lawyers were so concerned about
how that would play for the jury because she had
I think she's eight and a half months pregnant. She
is literally about to give birth, and they were concerned.
Diddy's attorneys were concerned that that might make some of
the jurors more sympathetic and cause problems for Ditty in
terms of just his believability, because people obviously have sympathy
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for what she's saying she went through in addition to
her current her current condition. So they asked that she
be seated. The whole time. They didn't want jurors to
see her standing up, They didn't want to have durors
see her walking in. But yeah, she walked in eight
and a half months pregnant, as you pointed out, didn't
look at him, but by the folks who saw him
in the court and said he turned his head and
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watched her walk all the way up to the witness stands.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
And a reminder her of folks. We call her a
star witness, but I think it's fair, is it not
right Robes that we can say she is the one
who maybe started this snowball going downhill for Diddy when
she was suing him for I think I don't know
if the amount was out at the time, but she
was suing him for millions and millions of dollars for
(03:59):
how she was treated. He said he wasn't going to settle.
I think did the video come out, and I think
twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Later everything changed, correct, So yeah, she filed a lawsuit
I believe it was back in twenty twenty three, claiming
much of what we're hearing in court today about what
happened to her. And yes, he settled that lawsuit immediately
when that video came out, but that, of course, then
got the attention of federal officials who then started to
(04:26):
investigate did he And that's when all of this actually
became a legal issue for him.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So thirty million dollars is what she got from him.
But then here come lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuits. So
there have been dozens of lawsuits, as you know, people
coming after him in civil suits having to do with
how they alleged he treated him. But this is now
a criminal case. The federal authorities launched a federal case,
so that is what he's dealing with. Now. Five federal
counts could get life in prison. But their star witness
(04:55):
took the stand. And we have to remember Robes and
this is something we look at her now. She's adult,
she's composed, she's thirty eight now, but she was nineteen
years old when they met, he signed her. Can you
go back that long, some twenty years and remember just
how on top of the world he was. And for
the idea of a nineteen year old starting out for
(05:16):
Sean Diddy Combs to sign you and to show you attention.
Your daughter just turned nineteen. And when I put it
in that kind of context, to think of how young,
how immature you are at that point. That struck me.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
You know, I get chills a lot, But as soon
as I heard nineteen, you hit it. I have a
daughter who literally just turned nineteen. She doesn't know anything
about anything.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And yes, easily to be offensive, that's just what it is.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I didn't know anything when I was nineteen, so easily influenced.
You have big stars in your eyes. You actually think
the best of people, not the worst. You don't know
to think that, You don't think anything like that could
happen to you. And so, yes, she's nineteen, she's starstruck,
and now he's paying her attention. After he signs her
(06:06):
to his label, he literally has control over her career.
I believe he signed her to a ten year album deal.
She revealed in court that she made ten albums but
only one got released because he had control over everything
in her life.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
And again, I can't imagine how star struck you would
be at that point. This is the guy that can
make all of your dreams come true, and he's telling
you how wonderful you are. So they met or she
signed at nineteen, but they didn't start dating immediately, she
says in her testimony, she didn't want to date him
and wasn't interested in him in that way, but twenty
first birthday party, he kisses her unexpectedly and unwanted, and
(06:44):
she said it took her a little while to get
comfortable with the idea of dating him, because that's not
just something that was on her mind at the time.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, and she says that within that first year of
dating him, they weren't public, but he had just mentioned
voyeurism to her, that it was a fantasy of his
to watch other men have sex with her. So it
didn't happen right away. Obviously, they had an intimate relationship
where it was just the two of them, at least
that's what she thought until he brings up this idea.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And she mentioned as well, I mean this was the start,
the first time they had again. She describes all this
on the stand. The first time they had sex was
on a boat, I believe in Miami. She says she
was hopped up on ecstasy at the time that he
had given her. So from the very beginning of an
intimate relationship, he's feeding her and she's still she's an
adult at this point, but feeding her drugs. This is
(07:32):
kind of I guess set the stage for what their
relationship was going to be. And you think, well, why
would she do this, why would she participate? Why would
she stick around? She didn't think she had a choice.
This is the guy, like you just said, had control
of what.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Her career and her life and her money and her
and her opportunity. And I think that's a huge thing.
When you're that young, you're thinking about what you're wanting,
and then once you realize you're in bed literally with
a man who has total control over your career and
has power like no one else truly in that community,
(08:06):
in that music community. He was the guy. So you're
going to go against him, You're going to tell him
no when he can literally make or break your career.
This is what she describes. And so when he asked
her to have sex with other men while he watched,
she said she felt like she couldn't turn him down
because she wanted to make him happy. She says she
was in love with him, and then she went on
to give incredibly graphic details about what happened during those
(08:30):
sex parties.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And those sex parties, she's again, it was a year
into them dating until he first mentioned that, and she said,
she yes, she went along with this first one, the
first couple, but then they became weekly occurrences. This was
happening every single week, she said, in every single one
of them robes, she was high as she could be.
She was on whatever drug that he gave her, or
(08:54):
she could be on, and she wanted to be because,
in her words, she needed a buffer to dissociate from
the experience.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Awful makes sense, I mean, I get that. She says
she was on mushrooms, ecstasy, cocaine, marijuana, any drug that
was available, and she said there were always drugs available.
She talked about having to look up the male escorts
and then show did He the pictures of them to
make sure he approved. They had to be black males,
(09:24):
and she said she didn't know many of them by
their names, but she talked about one that was referred
to as and this is disturbing the punisher. And that's
when she says did he would watch and pleasure himself
while she had sex with other men. Sometimes he was
in the corner in the room. The rooms were dark.
He had the lighting the way he wanted it, she claimed.
Sometimes it was candle light, sometimes it was lighting like
(09:46):
you'd see in a music video, but he'd if he
wasn't in the room. She says, he would watch on
FaceTime and he would direct, as if he was directing
a porno or a movie, what he wanted them to
do and how long he wanted.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Them to do it. So what she's describing now on
the stand, and she was on the stand for six
hours yesterday, but what she was describing became her job, right.
This is a young woman who nineteen twenty twenty one,
twenty two years old. She thinks her career was about
to take off, and instead her main job and focus
of her life became pleasuring this guy with this fantasy
that she said that he had. And yeah, she got
(10:20):
into a lot. You said he directed robes. One of
the big things she said he directed was how much
and even the temperature of the baby oil?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah with U. And she said that she would have
to reapply the baby oil as often as every five minutes,
because she said that he wanted their bodies to be glistening.
That's the word she used. And she said that they
would use up to ten bottles per sex session. That's
hard to get your head around. She said. One time
they even filled up a blow up pool in a
(10:51):
hotel room that was just full of heated baby oil,
and she was told to get in with her shoes
and her outfit on so again that she would glisten.
I think one of the most disgusting parts, I mean,
this is all hard to digest, but is when she
described what she was forced to do. She claims with
the male escort, which involved urination.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And it looks it's awful. She and we say this,
we are talking about an adult, a grown woman who's
about to have another child. Her husband is sitting in
the courtroom having to hear this crap. And you give
her credit for she has to face this guy in court. Yes,
(11:33):
innocent until proven guilty, and this is what we have
a trial for. But this is what she described that
there were times that the male escort and Combs would
actually urinate on her. She said she did, she felt
disgusted and humiliated, but she continued to go along with
these parties and the humiliation, all for the sake of
(11:55):
trying to make this man happy.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
What struck me too is when she was describing one
of those moments, she said she actually would start choking
where she actually thought she couldn't breathe, and she'd have
to lift up her hands to get ditty. She says,
to allow it to stop. I mean that I cannot.
It makes I mean, it just makes any woman or
anyone want to cry even thinking about being in that position,
(12:28):
or being put in that position, or feeling like you
couldn't get out of that position. And so you think
about what's happening. What she says is happening, And she
says they went on for days, sometimes as little as
thirty six hours, sometimes as long as four days, she says,
with no sleep.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Now that sounds wild, but the idea there. She said
she was on drugs to the point that it kept
her awake for all this time. Now you're going through
this physical exertion. You're going through this obviously a mental
I can't imagine how someone might feel at the end
of two days, three days.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Four days, she'd say she was dehydrated. She was you know,
she hadn't slept, she hadn't had proper nutrition, proper hydration,
I mean, all of those things. And so you've got
all of this going on. But also, she claims under
the threat of constant physical violence from Diddy. She claims
that if she made the wrong face, she would get
(13:25):
hit in the face. If she acted like she didn't
want to do something, she would be she would be dragged,
she would be hit, she would have things thrown at.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Her, and look one of the like you said, I
think MoMA was one of the most searing images of
this whole trial obviously has to be that video that
we all saw. It was the one that CNN obtained
up Hire in the hallway, dragging, kicking, beating her in
that hotel. Well, it turns out, she testified yesterday, that
(13:55):
was her trying to escape a freak off in that hotel.
What you saw there, she explains now, her trying to
get away from one of these awful sex parties. She said,
in particular, there was something going on th wh was
she had to be in public or something she actually
didn't want.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
She had a big movie premiere within a few days,
and then she ended up getting a black eye because
of it. She says from that video that unfortunately we
have all seen. But she actually this was a quote
from her while she was testifying about little small arguments
that they might have had. She said they would suddenly
turn violent. She said that Diddy would smash me in
my head, knock me over, drag me, kick me, stop
(14:31):
me in the head if I had fallen down and
you pointed this out. All of this is heartbreaking. All
of this is disgusting, but something she responded to. She
was asked if there was anything she enjoyed about the experience.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Her response was what the time spent with him.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
She loved him.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That sucks. She was just a young girl. That just sucks.
Look and a lot of this, yes, is salacious, and
a lot of the details, and what the defense is
arguing here is that don't get caught up in the
salacious details. This is not a case about domestic violence,
(15:14):
right you all are charging him with sex trafficking. This
would be a different situation if this case were about
his domestic violence. It's not. So they're saying, just because
you're seeing these awful things, and just because you saw
that video, it doesn't mean that the government has a
legitimate case against this man. It is all you're going
(15:34):
to see. And they say they're going to show these
freak offs in court, and we should mention as well
that journalists have been asking to see them as well,
and a judge at this point at least is said no.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
But he did seem like perhaps he was willing to
hear the arguments for First Amendment rights. Obviously, the concern
is there are victims or alleged victims here who are naked,
and so obviously there are privacy issues that are like
massive here.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
What was that? And forgive me, he said, what's the date?
He's given them a timeline to respond, I believe, to
put in an argument for whether or not he's going
to let journalists. But he's expecting to your point, they
are expecting some types of arguments to be made by
several sides about it, and they want look pool reporters.
It wouldn't be just showing an opening court to everybody,
but they would have a couple of pool reporters look
(16:22):
at it and then be able to report back.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
What they saw what they saw, you know. And we're
also expecting Cassie is back up on the stand today
and she will be cross examined, but we are expecting
her to detail what she claims was an actual rape
by Diddy. And you mentioned her husband is in the courtroom.
The defense did not want him in the courtroom. They
said that they may actually call him to testify on
(16:47):
their side to corroborate what they're claiming, and so they
didn't want him to hear her testimony. A compromise was made,
and so when she does go into those details about
what she says was rape, he will have to leave
the courtroom, and that happens. But otherwise he is listening
to all of this. I'm sure he's heard it before.
I'm sure they've obviously talked about this, but that still
(17:07):
has to be such a sickening, unthinkable experience for a
husband to hear his wife describe.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And I to listen to her now, and there were
so many pictures of her, and I think a lot
of the coverage we have seen her on the red
carpet at the met We have seen so many different
images of her standing next to him, and I don't
know their stars and they're supposed to be sexy sometimes
and all this. But then I looked earlier at some
(17:37):
pictures of her, when she first was coming out of
first becoming a star. There was a youth and energy,
a life to her eyes. This is me editorializing now,
but there was a different look and a youth and
an excitement, and there was something in her early on
that it made me look and made me think about Adelise, like, wow, nineteen, Yeah,
she's a kid.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
She's a kid.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
She's a kid.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah. And he was thirty six, eventeen years older than her.
And we talk about age differences sometimes, but you know,
it's one of those points when you're a certain age,
it isn't I hate to say a fair fight, but
you just don't have the ability to handle yourself in
a reciprocal way when you're that age, when you're under
twenty one even or in your early twenties, versus someone
(18:19):
who has lived a lot more life and has a
lot more power than you.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Okay, there it is. There is an age difference and
experienced difference, but there's a power imbalance the likes of
which you can't even get bigger than this one. No
starving artists trying to struggle in the business with a
guy who can make you a star in an instant.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And has a staff around him. This is a big
part of the prosecution's case. A staff almost an empire
around him, doing his bidding, whatever he wants, whatever he needs,
whenever he wants it.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
So I did. I looked some other pictures of her,
some younger pictures. In my goodness, Ugh, what are twenty
years it has been for this young lady. And this
was again day three. She's back on the stand cross
examine nation from the defense. You know, that's probably going
to be pretty intense in that courtroom. But the first
couple of witnesses on the stand that were there for
(19:09):
testimony yesterday and the day before, where two folks, one
was a LA police officer who was the one who
responded to that hotel incident, and the other ropes was
a male escort by the name of Daniel Phillip, and
everything they reported pretty much backed up, excuse me, everything
they testified to backed up the testimony of.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Correct absolutely Daniel Phillip, who is who is a manager
of male strippers but also became a male escort and
was the one initially who both Daniel and ventur acclaim
did he had them perform sexual acts together while he watched.
(19:49):
He said he saw violence, he said he saw anger.
He said he saw a lot of that physical violence
that ventur was talking about. He witnessed it personersonally. So
he certainly corroborated what we've now been hearing from Ventura.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Well, she will be back on the stands again, you
see and no cameras in there, but some of you
have seen an unknown robes. You've pointed them out every
chance you can to me, and look, we've covered a
whole bunch of trials. And when there's not a camera
in the courtroom, you have very important. The courtroom artist
becomes very very important. And I saw one of the drawings, like,
(20:24):
what in the world is that? It showed an image
of did he you know those crude courtroom drawings, but
he was making the heart sign at his chest. I'm like,
what in the world is that about. Well, it turns
out he made that gesture to his family, I think
specifically to his mother. When I first saw the image,
I think he didn't do that to Cassie, did he? No,
he did not. Did he did it to his family?
I think he blew a kiss to his mom, who
(20:46):
was in the courtroom, is how it was described. But
his family's been showing up front row every day.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, his mom is there, his children are there the
first day, and I believe when the testimony gets graphic,
at least the first day, his three daughters did leave
the court room while that was happening. I cannot imagine
having family members' children present when all of this is
being alleged against you, but certainly a show of support
(21:10):
for Diddy from his family who have stood by his
side throughout all of.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
This, and it's incredible ropes. I'm sitting here, I'm facing
out of our window here in downtown Manhattan, and there's
just a couple of buildings that are blocking our view
right now of the courthouse where this is happening. Two days.
So it has been interesting down here downtown. I can't
believe this trial is already here. Seemed like what long ago.
He was just being arrested uptown last September, and here
(21:36):
we are with the trial already. So we will try
to Now we will continue to update you as it warrants,
but it's so much out there and it is hard
to try to put it all together, piece it all together.
So we were hoping to do that for you all here.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, we will keep you updated on the Diddy trial
over the next couple of weeks. It's expected to go
as long as eight weeks for a total of two months,
so we will keep you updated. But in the meantime,
thank you for listening to Amy and tej
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