June 3, 2025 • 21 mins
Amy and T.J. start with breaking news from the trial, two people banned from the courtroom, one for an outburst, the other for disclosing the identity of the prosecution key witness, “Mia”. Diddy’s former assistant “Mia” wrapped her testimony Monday after a contentious cross examination that got so heated, prosecutors said defense attorneys were harassing and humiliating their witness.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey, the folks, is June third, Tuesday, June third. Welcome
to this episode of Amy and TJ. We continue to
be your one stop shot to catch you up on
the Ditty trial which is now and it's fourth another
day of testimonies in the books. We will go through
that for you in a second. That full day was
described as combative. But as we record this robes we
sit here, today's court has begun and if we thought
(00:28):
yesterday was combative, today has already jumped off with fireworks
before the jury even comes into the room.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
So a man who was in the courtroom on Monday
apparently violated the order by the judge that referred to
their star witness as Mia. That was her pseudonym. That
was the former assistant to Ditty who says she was
raped by Ditty, who says she was sexually abused by Ditty. Well,
(00:56):
there was a man in the courtroom who used her
real name, her actual name on his YouTube channel and
violated that order. So he was also seen recording outside
the courthouse on Monday. So the judge granted a request
from prosecutors to ban this man from the courtroom if
he ever tries to return, and no word if there'll
(01:17):
be any further charges, because what he did is violated
court order, which I would believe would be considered criminal.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I have it right. This is court order and journalism right.
It's an understanding, and it's a long held and sacred rule.
You do not identify publicly a sexual assault accuser. You
just do not do that. So this is different still
from me, rotes, I am to your point. There was
(01:44):
an order. This wasn't just a matter of an understanding
from news outlets. He ordered people not to identify her,
so there could be some penalties for him.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Correct. I would have think there would be.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
In perhaps there should be, because this isn't just about
this case. This is a larger There's a reason why
judges put these orders in place, and why news outlets credited.
News outlets honor this idea that we don't out alleged
sexual assault victims, because you don't want to discourage any woman.
It's already hard enough to get up there and talk
about the worst, most humiliating moment of your life potentially.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So you have to be able to be afforded that.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Opportunity to not have your identity smeared everywhere people going
into your history and making revictimizing you, so to speak.
So that's just why that's in place, And so you'd
never want to discourage any woman or any member of
the community who's been sexually abused from coming forward.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
And if you take a lot of these witnesses at
their word, they're scared to death of this man and
what he can do. So there's also that element of
putting this particular witness in some kind of danger by
identifying her. This is wildly irresponsible. I know he is,
and to a proven guilty, we understand, but she has
(03:03):
a story to tell and this just feels like an awful,
unnecessary and intentional violation, Like he's going forward, what is
he trying to do?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Well, it's interesting because you mentioned the fear there. There
are hardcore Sean ditty Combe's supporters in that courtroom, around
the courtroom and certainly around the world, and so that's concerning.
And to your point, there was another disruption before the
jurors came in from a Diddy supporter, so actually a woman.
(03:31):
The judge had to remove a woman earlier this morning
from yelling and disrupting the court. She was screaming out ditty,
these mother efforts laughing at you, and they had to
remove from court. So there are people who feel passionately
on both sides of the aisle.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
All right, So that was again, folks, as we record this,
we're going to give you what happened in the full
day that's in the books, which was yesterday, as today's
court is just getting going. So we did want to at
least share some of the early tidbits coming out of
the courtroom today. Yesterday, Robes, we had two witnesses. We
had one person who was a representative of the Beverly
(04:09):
Hills Hotel, talked about receipts and whatnot, explained some things
to the jury. The other, of course, was Mia and Robes.
Mia has now been on the stand longer than they anticipated.
Mia is the former assistant who says she was raped
and sexually assaulted repeatedly over the years working for him.
They're a little behind schedule. They've had to rearrange some
other witnesses who had flights and whatnot because this one
(04:32):
got contentious. It went long, and you could tell Robes
how important this witness is to both sides, yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And cross examination meaning the questioning that happened from Diddy's
lawyers was intense, to say the least, to the point
where it got to be so much prosecutors pulled them
aside and had a sidebar with the judge and was saying, Hey,
they're badgering our witness. They are going too far and
being too harsh milk, and they even use the word harassment.
(05:02):
So that's how heated it got in the core room yesterday,
prosecutors trying to stop defense attorneys from their line of questioning.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, and the just agreed with I think most of it.
They I think they're also called said the defense was
being sarcastic the dress. I don't see the sarcasm, but
the rest of what you said is accurate. So the
judge agreed, and the back and forth was pretty intense,
and it all kind of ropes had to do with
the witness's own words. They made her read a lot
(05:30):
of her messages of love and adoration and inspiration from Diddy,
so they had to hear a long live They said,
about fifty Instagram messages and whatnot. They went through of
her seeming to enjoy what she was working.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I have to say, so we heard some of this
from the day before.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
But when you really start reading what she not only
posted on Instagram, because maybe you could make the argument
that a lot of folks put what they wish their
life could be like her, the best version of whatever
happened online.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
But these direct.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Text messages to Diddy as late as twenty twenty two,
it is hard to get your head around some of
these things that she was texting him from. I guess
I believe they said from three years after she was
let go, all the way up until two three years ago.
I love you, I will always be here for you
in any capacity. I love you with all of my heart,
(06:21):
and I am here for you forever. These are all
texts that she sent him years after she claims she
was raped, sexually assaulted and continually verbally and physically abused
by it.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So that would last when you read I love you
with all my heart and I'm here for you forever.
She wrote that to Diddy in twenty twenty. She had
been getting sexually assaulted and raped by him, according to her,
since two thousand and nine, when she started working for him.
She stopped in twenty seventeen, and then three years later
(06:54):
she sends that message. Look, she said plenty of times,
call my therapist. It's called psychological abuse. She's said plenty
of things that she was brainwashed.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Brainwashed was the thing she used yesterday.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
But the jury, it's hard to understand it.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
It's hard to the one exchange that gave me a
little bit of light into where she was thinking and
how she was explaining this. She was asked, why did
you try to keep the person who abused you happy?
And she said, because when he was happy, I was safe.
And I get that perhaps while you're working with him,
(07:32):
But once you've left, and you've been gone for years
and you have no reason to physically fear him, why
keep inserting yourself back into his life? Why keep telling
him you love him? Why keep telling him you miss him?
She saw their Netflix series on She's like, it makes
me miss you.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
All of that's all hard to understand.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I'm sure there is a therapist out there or someone
who deals with people who've been abused who can explain
this very easily and say, yes, this is even common
that you still do feel some kind and again it's not.
It wasn't all bad, So there was some point of
a loving relationship she had with Sean Diddy combs. I'm
just saying, for the matter of a jury sitting there
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trying to get their head around that it's difficult. And
this was a tough back and forth, and the defense
by all the accounts made some headway in trying to
go after her credibility. And you know, it was funny
at the very beginning. This is how the cross examination
started to ask her where she went to school? What
was your GPA? And immediately the prosecution objected and the
(08:35):
judge sustained the object It just has nothing to do
with nothing.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Well, he wanted to say, are you a smart girl?
And if you're a smart girl, why are you acting like.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
So there you go, the humiliation and the things you
talk about. They set a tone from the very beginning
of how they were going to go.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I mean they flat out said she was lying and
was a money grabber, yes, and jumping in on the
me too movement.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
They humiliated her. They harassed her for sure.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I mean absolutely, I thought one of the or bizarre
exchanges and I know it caught your eye as well
or your ear at least when there was a text
message between Mia and Diddy where she relates a dreams
she had to him that she had a dream she
was stuck in an elevator with R Kelly and that
(09:18):
he came and rescued her.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
We're talking about R Kelly now all things in the
Diddy trial.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
He is literally in prison right now for sex trafficking
and that comes up.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Convicted in twenty twenty two, three years ago.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And this is the guy. She says, Yeah, some weird
she has a dream about R Kelly and she's stuck
with him an elevator. But the message she sent to
Diddy after that, I screamed for you and you came
to rescue me. She sent that to him, and the judge,
I mean the defense Atarney, excuse me, are asking like,
this is the guy you scared of, This is the
guy that's your tormentor. Why is it you are going
(09:53):
and why would you send a message like that? And
her response again, she said, yes, he was my tormentor
and he was my protector. He served as both of
those for her at times. This is fascinating to listen
to one to someone, if you do take her at
her word at all of this happened, It's fascinating to
hear where her head is and how she views that relationship.
And again, she's been in tons of therapy, she says,
(10:15):
but man, this is some heavy stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And as she referenced therapy, the defense actually asked if
she would be willing to lift her patient therapist confidentiality
and actually let the defense, or at least let the
court see what her therapist wrote, what the notes were.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Objection because one of.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
The other huge issues that really stood out to both
of us was the fact that she did not tell
one person. She didn't document, she didn't write down, she
didn't even tell the investigators and the prosecutors that she
was sexually abused or raped by Ditty until June of
(11:01):
twenty twenty four, as in a few months ago, exactly
a year ago.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I guess it would have been a year ago.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And that was three or four months after Cassiaventoror filed
her lawsuit. How do you the prosecutors are asking her
for what was seven months twenty something.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
In her twenty eight interviews with investigators prosecutors, and she
never once mentioned or brought up that she was a
victim of rate.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
How does that say with the jury.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
That's tough.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I don't that's tough. How that sits? But why and
that it comes into the money grab situation. Now, okay,
what was your motivation then if it wasn't before. She
has a good kind of a good response to that
in that it's one thing she didn't tell the prosecutors
about it in the last year. But when she left
Diddy's company in twenty seventeen, she wanted a severance package,
(11:50):
and there was attorneys on both sides going back and forth.
She initially asked for.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Ten million dollars.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Why but she asked for that money? But in that
back and forth, wouldn't that have been the proper time
to say, oh, yeah, by the way, your boss has
been sexually assaulting me for years, give me my money,
and I will go quietly yes.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
When you're asking for the money, and obviously when most
people leave businesses where you're making I mean, she started
up making fifty thousand dollars a year. What would make
you think you should or could ask for ten million
dollars unless something happened along the way that you felt
like he might want to pay you hush money for and.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Why not bring it up?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
That's the thing that's the jury is asking that. They
are asking what we're asking she had two opportunities, long opportunities,
and one that might have even benefited her at least
on paper financially, let me say that. And she didn't
bring it up then, so she asked her the ten million.
We should say she ended up GETT four hundred hundred thousand,
but her attorneys took half of that, so she didn't
(12:52):
get much of anything when she left these company.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
This is a I think this is definitely a difficult
a difficult witness for jurors to get their head around,
because I would just say, just from anyone who's listening
common sense, it's just hard to understand. It's not that
it couldn't be true, and it's not that she's lying necessarily,
but it certainly casts some doubt into her credibility. I
(13:18):
think the defense did a decent job doing that.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, and we all keep saying, just need one right,
just need one juror to hold out this young lady Miya.
She has said at several points that this is something
she planned to take to her grave. Now, the matter
(13:44):
of humiliation, the shame, how she felt through what she described.
If it's all true, I cannot imagine what that felt like,
and so when I hear her say I was going
to take this to my grave, I kind of to
take her out a word and believe.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, that well, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I mean, if that is where she was mentally with
all of this, then it would make sense why she
never brought it out, why she didn't use it to
get more money, why she didn't say it to prosecutors,
because she just didn't want to have to be that woman,
that girl, that victim. I think you know, you can
say he yelled at me, he threw things at me,
but to acknowledge that you couldn't even say no when
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he was raping you, and that's what she testified to.
That's a very embarrassing thing to have to admit. It's shameful,
even though it isn't shameful, but I can understand how
a woman would feel that way.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
And you know what, this was pretty interesting because.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
When prosecutors asked the judge to stop the cross examination
because they said the defense attorneys were being humiliating, we're
being harassing. Part of their reasoning was that they said,
the world is watching this trial right now, and this
could deter other crime victims from coming forward in other cases.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
They said, eyes are on this trial.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Victims are watching how these victims are being treated by attorneys,
and if we don't protect these people who are willing
to come forward, it will deter other victims from coming forward,
not just in this case, but in other cases.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
This is one now with me in particular. We have
to figure out how to do this. Of course, the
one all eyes were on, and Ember heard, and Johnny Depp,
everybody was taking sides. But we have to get to
a point where have we gotten to a point where
women are believed? But now how do we treat them
after we even believe them?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Right?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So, for so long it seemed like nobody's being believed,
and then there was a movement right, and then people
were being believed, and it turns out, oh yeah, she's
been saying that for years and it turned out to
be right, And so believe women when they speak up.
But now that argument we always make, will they get
to be anonymous? And then the one who's accused has
maybe his whole.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Life is so once you're accused of something heinous like that,
your life rarely goes back to the way it was.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
If ever, yes, So now we have to have the
conversation about what if somebody is innocent, so whose name
needs to be public? And all this back and forth.
But let's get away from that conversation. This is not
that day. I'm saying. We are treating accusers or the
world is watching accusers get treated pretty shitty. Yeah, on
the stand, what's your GPA? Right, it just seems like
(16:21):
not much of a question, But we're trying to embarrass
and humiliate the defense. Attorneys are supposed, say, supposed to
do this for their client. They're supposed to be fighting
their butts off to keep his life is on the line.
But man, we're having public debates and social media debates
about should she be believed? And she only was going
for this, and it just it sucks how we're treating.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah, I mean, courtrooms end up being theater, and it
really the jury is the audience, and the lawyers are
trying to make them think one thing or another, and
that's just unfortunately part of what happens. It's tough to watch,
especially when real lives and real pain is on display.
It's not an act, it isn't a script. It's their lives,
(17:04):
and so it's a much there's the stakes or couldn't
be higher.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So she was able to wrap up yesterday again, defense
attorneys admitted, and then she did have a redirect by
the prosecution, and again she just ended up up there
longer than anticipated. But she did get off the stand yesterday,
and they were able to squeeze in one more witness,
this one Robes. They call him a custodian at the
Beverly Hilton, Beverly Hilton, and this person was up there
(17:33):
kind of explaining to the jury when they see receipts
hotel receipts for Diddy, what they're kind of looking at.
And this one it wasn't just about how much you
paid for the room. It was some of the feed
damages and damages were well, I'm probably to be expected.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Actually I thought this was less.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Than what I was anticipating, if I'm being fully honest here,
I thought it might be more. But just this is
one room, one time, a three hundred dollars charge for
drapes that were soiled beyond what is normal.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
That was the annotation.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Another receipt for a five hundred dollars charge for once
again oil damage. There was a fee for going out
to get candles for Ditty Why would they go out
and buy candles when they know in all of the
other messages they talked about excessive candle wax. You know
how hard it is to get candle wax off things.
Anybody who's had to clean a house with candle wax,
it is very difficult.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I'm trying to think of hotels. There are no candles
in hotels.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They're dangerous to have candles.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
You're not supposed to be lighting candles in hotels for
fire concerns.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
That very good reason.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I guess it's ditty, So I guess he gets to
have candles and they get to clean up the wax afterwards.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Well they talked about is pro they had a profile
that had it would have the celebrities name and an
alias next to it, so they knew who it was
and knew what was happening, knew what to expect anytime
he was showing up. I did want to mention the
other thing robe you talked about at the top here
the disruptions that were in the actual courtroom, but there
have been disruptions in the overflow room. I don't know
(18:59):
if we've explained this enough that yes, you have certain
number of people who are sitting in the courtroom watching.
But we also have at the courthouse an overflow room
where reporters and members of the public, many of them
supporters of Diddy, have been watching on closed circuit television.
The rule robes is that they're supposed to be just
as quiet as they are in the actual courtroom that
(19:23):
we're hearing. That ain't the case.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, apparently it's not the case.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I have been in one overflow room in my time
as a reporter covering a case, and it was also
fairly rowdy, to say the least, because what happens is
you start getting comfortable, you start shouting at the television
like you would watching a reality TV show about what
you think they should say next, or reacting to what
they did or said.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And so that's what's happening.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Apparently, Yes, you're actually having people almost like with popcorn
in their hands, watching and reacting and being loud about it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yes, they referred to it as a watch party. It
feels like a watch party, like you're watching. It's kind
of incredible. But no one has stopped them, No one
has come in and said shush. So that is happening.
But yes, they say a lot of Diddy supporters have
been in those rooms and have been very vocal and
what they want the defense attorneys to ask next in
the line of questions, Oh.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
My goodness, Well I might read that report about what's
going on in the watch party rooms, slash the overflow rooms.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
All right, Well, on the stand today this morning, up first,
and this guy right is testifying under immunity. I believe
this is the the was it the bribe for the video?
The hotel security guy, Eddie Garcia, he's going to be
up there, but he is testifying under immunity, so he's
had to be compelled, yes, to testify.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
He took he actually took that oath, yes, before the
jurors came in. And yes, he worked security at the
Intercontinental Hotel. That is the hotel where again that video
was taken where we all saw that terrible video of
Ditty kicking and beating eventor a fine right as she
was trying to leave a freak off, is what we've
(21:03):
been told that was happening. So he is on the
stand right now and he is doing he's being directly
questioned by prosecutors and he'll get across examination as well,
and will of course be following all of that and
the rest of the day's events inside that Manhattan courtroom,
but for now, thank you for listening. I'm Amy Robot
along with my partner TJ.
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Hey, the folks, is June third, Tuesday, June third. Welcome
to this episode of Amy and TJ. We continue to
be your one stop shot to catch you up on
the Ditty trial which is now and it's fourth another
day of testimonies in the books. We will go through
that for you in a second. That full day was
described as combative. But as we record this robes we
sit here, today's court has begun and if we thought
(00:28):
yesterday was combative, today has already jumped off with fireworks
before the jury even comes into the room.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
So a man who was in the courtroom on Monday
apparently violated the order by the judge that referred to
their star witness as Mia. That was her pseudonym. That
was the former assistant to Ditty who says she was
raped by Ditty, who says she was sexually abused by Ditty. Well,
(00:56):
there was a man in the courtroom who used her
real name, her actual name on his YouTube channel and
violated that order. So he was also seen recording outside
the courthouse on Monday. So the judge granted a request
from prosecutors to ban this man from the courtroom if
he ever tries to return, and no word if there'll
(01:17):
be any further charges, because what he did is violated
court order, which I would believe would be considered criminal.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I have it right. This is court order and journalism right.
It's an understanding, and it's a long held and sacred rule.
You do not identify publicly a sexual assault accuser. You
just do not do that. So this is different still
from me, rotes, I am to your point. There was
(01:44):
an order. This wasn't just a matter of an understanding
from news outlets. He ordered people not to identify her,
so there could be some penalties for him.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Correct. I would have think there would be.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
In perhaps there should be, because this isn't just about
this case. This is a larger There's a reason why
judges put these orders in place, and why news outlets credited.
News outlets honor this idea that we don't out alleged
sexual assault victims, because you don't want to discourage any woman.
It's already hard enough to get up there and talk
about the worst, most humiliating moment of your life potentially.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So you have to be able to be afforded that.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Opportunity to not have your identity smeared everywhere people going
into your history and making revictimizing you, so to speak.
So that's just why that's in place, And so you'd
never want to discourage any woman or any member of
the community who's been sexually abused from coming forward.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
And if you take a lot of these witnesses at
their word, they're scared to death of this man and
what he can do. So there's also that element of
putting this particular witness in some kind of danger by
identifying her. This is wildly irresponsible. I know he is,
and to a proven guilty, we understand, but she has
(03:03):
a story to tell and this just feels like an awful,
unnecessary and intentional violation, Like he's going forward, what is
he trying to do?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Well, it's interesting because you mentioned the fear there. There
are hardcore Sean ditty Combe's supporters in that courtroom, around
the courtroom and certainly around the world, and so that's concerning.
And to your point, there was another disruption before the
jurors came in from a Diddy supporter, so actually a woman.
(03:31):
The judge had to remove a woman earlier this morning
from yelling and disrupting the court. She was screaming out ditty,
these mother efforts laughing at you, and they had to
remove from court. So there are people who feel passionately
on both sides of the aisle.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
All right, So that was again, folks, as we record this,
we're going to give you what happened in the full
day that's in the books, which was yesterday, as today's
court is just getting going. So we did want to at
least share some of the early tidbits coming out of
the courtroom today. Yesterday, Robes, we had two witnesses. We
had one person who was a representative of the Beverly
(04:09):
Hills Hotel, talked about receipts and whatnot, explained some things
to the jury. The other, of course, was Mia and Robes.
Mia has now been on the stand longer than they anticipated.
Mia is the former assistant who says she was raped
and sexually assaulted repeatedly over the years working for him.
They're a little behind schedule. They've had to rearrange some
other witnesses who had flights and whatnot because this one
(04:32):
got contentious. It went long, and you could tell Robes
how important this witness is to both sides, yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And cross examination meaning the questioning that happened from Diddy's
lawyers was intense, to say the least, to the point
where it got to be so much prosecutors pulled them
aside and had a sidebar with the judge and was saying, Hey,
they're badgering our witness. They are going too far and
being too harsh milk, and they even use the word harassment.
(05:02):
So that's how heated it got in the core room yesterday,
prosecutors trying to stop defense attorneys from their line of questioning.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, and the just agreed with I think most of it.
They I think they're also called said the defense was
being sarcastic the dress. I don't see the sarcasm, but
the rest of what you said is accurate. So the
judge agreed, and the back and forth was pretty intense,
and it all kind of ropes had to do with
the witness's own words. They made her read a lot
(05:30):
of her messages of love and adoration and inspiration from Diddy,
so they had to hear a long live They said,
about fifty Instagram messages and whatnot. They went through of
her seeming to enjoy what she was working.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I have to say, so we heard some of this
from the day before.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
But when you really start reading what she not only
posted on Instagram, because maybe you could make the argument
that a lot of folks put what they wish their
life could be like her, the best version of whatever
happened online.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
But these direct.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Text messages to Diddy as late as twenty twenty two,
it is hard to get your head around some of
these things that she was texting him from. I guess
I believe they said from three years after she was
let go, all the way up until two three years ago.
I love you, I will always be here for you
in any capacity. I love you with all of my heart,
(06:21):
and I am here for you forever. These are all
texts that she sent him years after she claims she
was raped, sexually assaulted and continually verbally and physically abused
by it.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So that would last when you read I love you
with all my heart and I'm here for you forever.
She wrote that to Diddy in twenty twenty. She had
been getting sexually assaulted and raped by him, according to her,
since two thousand and nine, when she started working for him.
She stopped in twenty seventeen, and then three years later
(06:54):
she sends that message. Look, she said plenty of times,
call my therapist. It's called psychological abuse. She's said plenty
of things that she was brainwashed.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Brainwashed was the thing she used yesterday.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
But the jury, it's hard to understand it.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
It's hard to the one exchange that gave me a
little bit of light into where she was thinking and
how she was explaining this. She was asked, why did
you try to keep the person who abused you happy?
And she said, because when he was happy, I was safe.
And I get that perhaps while you're working with him,
(07:32):
But once you've left, and you've been gone for years
and you have no reason to physically fear him, why
keep inserting yourself back into his life? Why keep telling
him you love him? Why keep telling him you miss him?
She saw their Netflix series on She's like, it makes
me miss you.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
All of that's all hard to understand.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I'm sure there is a therapist out there or someone
who deals with people who've been abused who can explain
this very easily and say, yes, this is even common
that you still do feel some kind and again it's not.
It wasn't all bad, So there was some point of
a loving relationship she had with Sean Diddy combs. I'm
just saying, for the matter of a jury sitting there
(08:13):
trying to get their head around that it's difficult. And
this was a tough back and forth, and the defense
by all the accounts made some headway in trying to
go after her credibility. And you know, it was funny
at the very beginning. This is how the cross examination
started to ask her where she went to school? What
was your GPA? And immediately the prosecution objected and the
(08:35):
judge sustained the object It just has nothing to do
with nothing.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Well, he wanted to say, are you a smart girl?
And if you're a smart girl, why are you acting like.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
So there you go, the humiliation and the things you
talk about. They set a tone from the very beginning
of how they were going to go.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I mean they flat out said she was lying and
was a money grabber, yes, and jumping in on the
me too movement.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
They humiliated her. They harassed her for sure.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I mean absolutely, I thought one of the or bizarre
exchanges and I know it caught your eye as well
or your ear at least when there was a text
message between Mia and Diddy where she relates a dreams
she had to him that she had a dream she
was stuck in an elevator with R Kelly and that
(09:18):
he came and rescued her.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
We're talking about R Kelly now all things in the
Diddy trial.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
He is literally in prison right now for sex trafficking
and that comes up.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Convicted in twenty twenty two, three years ago.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And this is the guy. She says, Yeah, some weird
she has a dream about R Kelly and she's stuck
with him an elevator. But the message she sent to
Diddy after that, I screamed for you and you came
to rescue me. She sent that to him, and the judge,
I mean the defense Atarney, excuse me, are asking like,
this is the guy you scared of, This is the
guy that's your tormentor. Why is it you are going
(09:53):
and why would you send a message like that? And
her response again, she said, yes, he was my tormentor
and he was my protector. He served as both of
those for her at times. This is fascinating to listen
to one to someone, if you do take her at
her word at all of this happened, It's fascinating to
hear where her head is and how she views that relationship.
And again, she's been in tons of therapy, she says,
(10:15):
but man, this is some heavy stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And as she referenced therapy, the defense actually asked if
she would be willing to lift her patient therapist confidentiality
and actually let the defense, or at least let the
court see what her therapist wrote, what the notes were.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Objection because one of.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
The other huge issues that really stood out to both
of us was the fact that she did not tell
one person. She didn't document, she didn't write down, she
didn't even tell the investigators and the prosecutors that she
was sexually abused or raped by Ditty until June of
(11:01):
twenty twenty four, as in a few months ago, exactly
a year ago.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I guess it would have been a year ago.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And that was three or four months after Cassiaventoror filed
her lawsuit. How do you the prosecutors are asking her
for what was seven months twenty something.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
In her twenty eight interviews with investigators prosecutors, and she
never once mentioned or brought up that she was a
victim of rate.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
How does that say with the jury.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
That's tough.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I don't that's tough. How that sits? But why and
that it comes into the money grab situation. Now, okay,
what was your motivation then if it wasn't before. She
has a good kind of a good response to that
in that it's one thing she didn't tell the prosecutors
about it in the last year. But when she left
Diddy's company in twenty seventeen, she wanted a severance package,
(11:50):
and there was attorneys on both sides going back and forth.
She initially asked for.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Ten million dollars.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Why but she asked for that money? But in that
back and forth, wouldn't that have been the proper time
to say, oh, yeah, by the way, your boss has
been sexually assaulting me for years, give me my money,
and I will go quietly yes.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
When you're asking for the money, and obviously when most
people leave businesses where you're making I mean, she started
up making fifty thousand dollars a year. What would make
you think you should or could ask for ten million
dollars unless something happened along the way that you felt
like he might want to pay you hush money for and.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Why not bring it up?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
That's the thing that's the jury is asking that. They
are asking what we're asking she had two opportunities, long opportunities,
and one that might have even benefited her at least
on paper financially, let me say that. And she didn't
bring it up then, so she asked her the ten million.
We should say she ended up GETT four hundred hundred thousand,
but her attorneys took half of that, so she didn't
(12:52):
get much of anything when she left these company.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
This is a I think this is definitely a difficult
a difficult witness for jurors to get their head around,
because I would just say, just from anyone who's listening
common sense, it's just hard to understand. It's not that
it couldn't be true, and it's not that she's lying necessarily,
but it certainly casts some doubt into her credibility. I
(13:18):
think the defense did a decent job doing that.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, and we all keep saying, just need one right,
just need one juror to hold out this young lady Miya.
She has said at several points that this is something
she planned to take to her grave. Now, the matter
(13:44):
of humiliation, the shame, how she felt through what she described.
If it's all true, I cannot imagine what that felt like,
and so when I hear her say I was going
to take this to my grave, I kind of to
take her out a word and believe.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, that well, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I mean, if that is where she was mentally with
all of this, then it would make sense why she
never brought it out, why she didn't use it to
get more money, why she didn't say it to prosecutors,
because she just didn't want to have to be that woman,
that girl, that victim. I think you know, you can
say he yelled at me, he threw things at me,
but to acknowledge that you couldn't even say no when
(14:25):
he was raping you, and that's what she testified to.
That's a very embarrassing thing to have to admit. It's shameful,
even though it isn't shameful, but I can understand how
a woman would feel that way.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
And you know what, this was pretty interesting because.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
When prosecutors asked the judge to stop the cross examination
because they said the defense attorneys were being humiliating, we're
being harassing. Part of their reasoning was that they said,
the world is watching this trial right now, and this
could deter other crime victims from coming forward in other cases.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
They said, eyes are on this trial.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Victims are watching how these victims are being treated by attorneys,
and if we don't protect these people who are willing
to come forward, it will deter other victims from coming forward,
not just in this case, but in other cases.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
This is one now with me in particular. We have
to figure out how to do this. Of course, the
one all eyes were on, and Ember heard, and Johnny Depp,
everybody was taking sides. But we have to get to
a point where have we gotten to a point where
women are believed? But now how do we treat them
after we even believe them?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Right?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So, for so long it seemed like nobody's being believed,
and then there was a movement right, and then people
were being believed, and it turns out, oh yeah, she's
been saying that for years and it turned out to
be right, And so believe women when they speak up.
But now that argument we always make, will they get
to be anonymous? And then the one who's accused has
maybe his whole.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Life is so once you're accused of something heinous like that,
your life rarely goes back to the way it was.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
If ever, yes, So now we have to have the
conversation about what if somebody is innocent, so whose name
needs to be public? And all this back and forth.
But let's get away from that conversation. This is not
that day. I'm saying. We are treating accusers or the
world is watching accusers get treated pretty shitty. Yeah, on
the stand, what's your GPA? Right, it just seems like
(16:21):
not much of a question, But we're trying to embarrass
and humiliate the defense. Attorneys are supposed, say, supposed to
do this for their client. They're supposed to be fighting
their butts off to keep his life is on the line.
But man, we're having public debates and social media debates
about should she be believed? And she only was going
for this, and it just it sucks how we're treating.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah, I mean, courtrooms end up being theater, and it
really the jury is the audience, and the lawyers are
trying to make them think one thing or another, and
that's just unfortunately part of what happens. It's tough to watch,
especially when real lives and real pain is on display.
It's not an act, it isn't a script. It's their lives,
(17:04):
and so it's a much there's the stakes or couldn't
be higher.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So she was able to wrap up yesterday again, defense
attorneys admitted, and then she did have a redirect by
the prosecution, and again she just ended up up there
longer than anticipated. But she did get off the stand yesterday,
and they were able to squeeze in one more witness,
this one Robes. They call him a custodian at the
Beverly Hilton, Beverly Hilton, and this person was up there
(17:33):
kind of explaining to the jury when they see receipts
hotel receipts for Diddy, what they're kind of looking at.
And this one it wasn't just about how much you
paid for the room. It was some of the feed
damages and damages were well, I'm probably to be expected.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Actually I thought this was less.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Than what I was anticipating, if I'm being fully honest here,
I thought it might be more. But just this is
one room, one time, a three hundred dollars charge for
drapes that were soiled beyond what is normal.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
That was the annotation.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Another receipt for a five hundred dollars charge for once
again oil damage. There was a fee for going out
to get candles for Ditty Why would they go out
and buy candles when they know in all of the
other messages they talked about excessive candle wax. You know
how hard it is to get candle wax off things.
Anybody who's had to clean a house with candle wax,
it is very difficult.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I'm trying to think of hotels. There are no candles
in hotels.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They're dangerous to have candles.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
You're not supposed to be lighting candles in hotels for
fire concerns.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
That very good reason.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I guess it's ditty, So I guess he gets to
have candles and they get to clean up the wax afterwards.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Well they talked about is pro they had a profile
that had it would have the celebrities name and an
alias next to it, so they knew who it was
and knew what was happening, knew what to expect anytime
he was showing up. I did want to mention the
other thing robe you talked about at the top here
the disruptions that were in the actual courtroom, but there
have been disruptions in the overflow room. I don't know
(18:59):
if we've explained this enough that yes, you have certain
number of people who are sitting in the courtroom watching.
But we also have at the courthouse an overflow room
where reporters and members of the public, many of them
supporters of Diddy, have been watching on closed circuit television.
The rule robes is that they're supposed to be just
as quiet as they are in the actual courtroom that
(19:23):
we're hearing. That ain't the case.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, apparently it's not the case.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I have been in one overflow room in my time
as a reporter covering a case, and it was also
fairly rowdy, to say the least, because what happens is
you start getting comfortable, you start shouting at the television
like you would watching a reality TV show about what
you think they should say next, or reacting to what
they did or said.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And so that's what's happening.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Apparently, Yes, you're actually having people almost like with popcorn
in their hands, watching and reacting and being loud about it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yes, they referred to it as a watch party. It
feels like a watch party, like you're watching. It's kind
of incredible. But no one has stopped them, No one
has come in and said shush. So that is happening.
But yes, they say a lot of Diddy supporters have
been in those rooms and have been very vocal and
what they want the defense attorneys to ask next in
the line of questions, Oh.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
My goodness, Well I might read that report about what's
going on in the watch party rooms, slash the overflow rooms.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
All right, Well, on the stand today this morning, up first,
and this guy right is testifying under immunity. I believe
this is the the was it the bribe for the video?
The hotel security guy, Eddie Garcia, he's going to be
up there, but he is testifying under immunity, so he's
had to be compelled, yes, to testify.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
He took he actually took that oath, yes, before the
jurors came in. And yes, he worked security at the
Intercontinental Hotel. That is the hotel where again that video
was taken where we all saw that terrible video of
Ditty kicking and beating eventor a fine right as she
was trying to leave a freak off, is what we've
(21:03):
been told that was happening. So he is on the
stand right now and he is doing he's being directly
questioned by prosecutors and he'll get across examination as well,
and will of course be following all of that and
the rest of the day's events inside that Manhattan courtroom,
but for now, thank you for listening. I'm Amy Robot
along with my partner TJ.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Home.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
We hope you have a wonderful day. Home Home, you
are my home. Ome dj.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I object
Speaker 3 (21:32):
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