May 23, 2025 • 21 mins
One of the most-anticipated witnesses in the trial so far, rapper Kid Cudi, took the stand and called Diddy a "Marvel Supervillain." He also accused the mogul of trashing his house and blowing up his car. But that's not the testimony that floored Amy and T. J. the most. Wait until you hear Diddy's "guest profile" at one LA hotel that includes an instruction for staff to spray air freshener in the hallway outside his room.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey there, folks. It is Friday, May twenty third, the
second week of testimony, and the Ditty trial is done.
And it wrapped Thursday with one of the most highly
anticipated witnesses so far, Kid Cuddy, the rapper who briefly
dated Cassie Ventura, Ditty's ex girlfriend. And with that, welcome
to this episode of Amy and TJ. Roodes. We continue
to be, as you put it, the one stop shop
(00:25):
to get folks caught up so they don't have to
go shopping around a bunch of places with a bunch
of reporting on a bunch of testimony.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Which is what we've been doing to get everyone caught up.
But yes, this was a quite a week. The first
week was explicit, the second week even more so because
a lot of this testimony backed up and added context
to what we heard from Cassie Ventur about what she
claimed she suffered for nearly eleven years at the hands
of Ditty.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
That's a good way to put it. She was there
for three, maybe even four days that she spent time
on the stand setting a foundation, and now everybody is
coming in essentially corroborating or at least lending something to
what she said, Like oh, Yeah, that thing we saw
Diddy do. That's in line with what Cassie said. So
there's been a lot of that. We got sixteen witnesses
so far. We do. Let you know, testimony is not
(01:14):
going to start again until next Tuesday. They took off
for the holiday weekend, but Robes as they wrapped up
the week, I like asking you here, what stood out
to you from the previous day that we now have
in the books.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You know, I know we had some explosive witnesses, but
I actually was taken it back by the testimony from
the general manager of an La hotel. Where did he
stayed frequently? Where did he apparently had these freak offs frequently?
And I was blown away that the hotel was so
aware of the craziness that was going on in these
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hotel rooms that he would book under his alias, that
they actually had notes in a file with his alias
name about what to do, how to deal with all
the craziness, including spring air freshener in the hallways because
of the smells that were coming out of the room,
the fact that they had to shut down the room,
(02:08):
close it down for reservations after they left because they
knew they would have to do a deep clean. I mean,
the details just go on and on. But these were
physical notes written in a computer, so that the next
hotel employee who dealt with Diddy and his gang knew
how to manage it. And yet none of us knew
what was going on, And yet so many people were
(02:29):
aware of what was actually happening.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
He's speaking there of the general manager of a hotel.
He was one of several witnesses on the stand yesterday.
At least four were up there yesterday, among them the
former assistant. He continued his testimony from the previous day.
Did he's former assistant George Kaplan is his name. We
had a makeup artist who used to work for Diddi
but then ended up working for Cassie. She testify to
some violence that she saw. And then of course we
(02:53):
had Kid Cutty. Let's start there. Kid Cutty is a
Grammy winner. This guy is I'm not sure who compare
him to in the rap world, but he's for some people.
You got to do a little bit of a deep dive,
right he is. He's not a grand, top chart topping
hit maker type guy. He is more of a guy
(03:13):
that stains in his lane. He's a little he's a
little more I would say creative. He's outside the box
of regular hip hop and all, not.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Like a gangster rap. He's not doing rap beefs with people.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And yet somehow he got caught up in all of
this diddy back and forth.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
But I had never heard of him.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
But that's the thing. A lot of people don't seem
to know who he is. And he is well respected
in that community as being a creative, a really not
just a raw guy who gets up there. Obviously has talent,
but he is respected as a creative. We'll give him,
folks an idea of who this guy is. But he
walked in Roseman. The first thing that struck me was
what he was wearing. I mean, he got out of
the car. This is a very high profile trout, a
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beat up motorcycle jacket, white T shirt, smoking a cigarette,
walking into.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
The court room, blue jeans on.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
That's how he chose the show. That's him, that's in
line with him, that's in line with his personality, do
you think. But that struck me as soon as I
saw it, like, where is he going? Is he going
into a club?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It looked like he was going into a James dean audition,
like he really was channeling that casual cool. I don't
give an f as he was walking in and like
the cigarette that had to be a choice, right or
did he just really need a smoke before he walked
in because he was nervous.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
You never know, but smokers, you never know when they
need a smoke break, but when they need one, they
need one. But he walked in completely chilling. But the
background here of the relevance here robes is that this
is the guy who dated Cassie for about a month.
And I guess we've heard heard the story so many
times at this point of how did he find out
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found out about it? And that's how Cutty finds himself
in this store.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Uh yeah, so Cassie and did he apparently even though
they were broken up, were still apparently freaking off. That
actually was news to me as well. But he's going
through her phone because he had access to everything that
was hers and saw email from Cuttie's kid Cutti's assistant
asking about Cassie's toiletry bag over at Kid Cuttie's place,
(05:13):
and he went ballistic and the beef started then and
it got it went just it went from just him
being angry to him. Actually, according to Kid Cutty and Cassie,
taking action against the rapper.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
This is where he comes in to play. Here where
Kid Cutty claims that after this there was a break
into his home and that somebody torched his car with
a Molotov cocktail. He believes that Diddy is behind both
of those. He described an incident in which he got
on the phone with Ditty and they were telling him
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to come home, like threatening him and telling him to
come to his own house, say when he got through
the places trashed? But did he wasn't there? So even
on the stand telling the story, and maybe we hear
all this and it pieces together with okay, maybe that
sounds like Diddy or that's in line with some other stuff.
They had proved necessarily that Diddy was there, but the
inference is.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Clear they might be setting up a way to prove
it in that there was someone else there.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Did he? According to Cutty?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
And what we may here next week a woman who
was his assistant at the time, who were expecting to
be on the stand on Tuesday. Her name's Capricorn. Hard
to forget that name, but she apparently was there too,
So perhaps we will hear from her corroborating what we
heard from Kid Cutty that yeah, Diddy and his folks
were there and they opened up his Christmas presents, like
unwrapped them, locked his dog up, So he was very
(06:41):
upset about all of that. And of course the Porsche
incident we heard from Cassie Ventura saying that did he
when he found out, said I'm going to blow up
his car? Like actually said that and then lo and
behold a short time later, Kid Cutty's car actually was
torched and blew up.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
That lets you know who Kid Cutt he is and
why he's important to this case. But he got on
the stand, I think robes and this is part of
the reason we want to do this these updates we're
continued to do so throughout the trial is because a
lot of times you only see a headline and you
try to make sense of it. And the headline that
many of you may have seen already is that Cutt
he called did he a Marvel super villain? And there's
(07:29):
some context with that. We got some earlier and piece
this story together and that sounds like it's clever and
it's cute and that's funny, but there's a whole lot more.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
To it than that, that's right, because actually when he
said that in the courtroom from the people who were
there inside, said, the audience or the folks in the
courtroom laughed. They were chuckling at what he said. But
there was really nothing funny about what he was describing.
Because he went to go meet him to try and
deal with all of this back and forth and to
stop any more threats or potential vie olence. And so
(08:00):
he met him at the Soho house and Cassie was there,
but he said he was stood there in a silhouette
with his hands behind his back, standing in a super
villain position, just to give you an idea. And look,
we've talked to folks who know him and say that's
right on brand.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
That surprised me. We did. We talked to someone who's
worked with him over the years and right in the
middle of the height of bad Boy and said, yes,
that is a that's absolutely I recognize it. I know it.
I've seen it a hundred times. He just and if
you stop and think about a lot of these Disney movies,
you can see it. There's some guy standing on a
window looking out, hands behind his back, some ominous look.
(08:37):
He said that was something he was known for and
Diddy regularly did. But he said it in a funny way,
a Marvel supervillain. But those, you know, super villains are scary.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
They certainly are, and they can do damage and intimidating.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I think that's what I took away from it.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Just yes, we're hearing about the physical violence and that thrust,
but there was just a physical intimidation. He knew how
to stand a certain way, how to look at you
a certain way, how to just speak volumes, perhaps without
even saying anything at all. So when Kid Cutty described
that scene, we can all see it in our heads,
and it all makes sense that part of the reason
why the prosecution is trying to set up this case
(09:11):
of coercion, and a lot of that was with drug use,
they say, but also just with his the threatening nature
of who he was and what he said he would do.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
So Cuddy did say they had a meeting did He
looked to him in the eye, said I'm not responsible
for any of that stuff. I didn't do it. He
shook on it. Cut He said, I didn't believe him
for a second, and then he said several years later,
they ran into each other and did. He wasn't specific,
but he apologized for all that bs, all that mess,
So he took it as an admission, but he didn't
(09:43):
wasn't specific about Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Know something else that just reminded me that Cutty said
Kid Cutty said that was interesting and perhaps wasn't what
the prosecution was hoping he would say. But and I
don't know how the jury would will take this, but
he said that both he and Diddy got played by
Cassie Ventur, so that probably wasn't a I don't know
how big of a strike that was against the prosecution
(10:07):
and in terms of keeping Cassie Ventor's credibility where they wanted,
but he certainly felt like he'd been played by her.
I mean they only were together for about a month.
But he also said he got out of it because
he just could not deal with all the drama. And
I think when you hear him tell his story about
what that month was like for him and even the
few weeks that followed, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
That's still to your point about the he said they
got played. I mean you talk about they try to
keep up with her credibility, but her culpability is going
to be an issue in this case because they did
wait all these text messages. She wanted to be there,
she was initiating, she was leading sometimes, and all these things.
And to hear, yes, her testimony was devastating to hear
(10:46):
clearly we know and we have seen her be abused,
but to hear if it a steady drum beat, even
a little bit here and there of Oh, Cassie's not
just victims just a victim, She's an accomplice to some degree,
is what the defense is trying to establish. And maybe
that one little comment, yeah, I got played by Cassie
(11:09):
plays in some way to wonder, it.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Plays oh you need Yeah, It plants the seat in
someone's head.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
And you think about that meeting when he came to
confront Ditty, or at least to try and calm things down.
She was in the room with them, standing next to Ditty.
So that is those are all. It seems small and
potentially insignificant, but it could plant a seed in a
juror's head.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
The other and we talk about that. We're going to
go through some details here now that you all. I
just can't believe this was from the general manager of
Lameritage in La a hotel out there. But Frederick Zeemour
is his name, the general manager. But Robes this blew
my mind. Talk about culpability, we talk about who did
(11:51):
all of us in some way allow this to happen?
In playing sight, this hotel might have some more to
answer given this testimony.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
And that's right because mister Zmore testify that notes at
and this is just one hotel.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Who knows what other hotels had.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
But in his hotel there was a note under the
profile Frank Black, which is the alias that did he
use when he came to the hotel, and they knew
exactly who was coming, and so under the name Frank
Black here were some of the notes. Always spills candle
wax on everything and uses excessive amounts of oil, so
(12:28):
even they knew about the baby oil.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
See different we fall probably well, we travel enough to
where you're at a play or even if you have
rewards or something like a rowds program, you go to
a hotel, they have a profile on you that knows
you like this has a nut allergy if you're there enough.
It's that kind of thing. There is a guest profile
that is warning guest or the hotel employees. This is
(12:52):
how you handle this guy. This is how he behaves,
This is how you need to do it. In response,
why would anybody would kicked out for the behavior right
what they have in his profile?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Why would you be allowed to return? You know, I imagine
at a certain point. So to that point, they also
did say that when you are checking in anyone who's
checking in Frank Black, you have to authorize an extra
one thousand dollars when that guest stays with us to
cover any room damages. So clearly they learned that there
are massive damages coming.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
So why would you want him back in the hotel?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I guess because as Sean Diddy comes that, is there
any other reason that the financial because somebody pays for.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Hotels, is he paying more than other guests? That makes
no sense to me.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
So yes, to your point that I would love to
ask some more questions of this hotel.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
The note also instructs staff to place the room out
of order upon departure for deep cleaning. Again, that means
that they can't then have that room available for another guest.
When you know, late late checkout probably doesn't even matter,
but to get someone back in right.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Imagine, I mean the punisher called own, Hey, we're going
to need a late checkout.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
We need a late checkout.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
But then you can't have new guests come into that
room it looks like for another twenty four hours. So
now you're losing money every time did he comes because
you can't release the room as normal people do. And
I guarantee you told him you got a twelve pm checkout.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
He is not going to be adhering to that.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You know what many people who are thinking, when when
did I stay at that hotel?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Did I stay in that I did? It did smell
a little weird.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
People are probably staying in those rooms right now and
don't even know it.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That's freaky to use it. I keep using that word.
Why you know what?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
You use this? Or I did not know? And we
need to address this. These are freak offs. Yes, you
earlier said that someone was freaking off? So can it
be a verb and a noun?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I mean I feel established, I feel like, yeah, the.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
First time I heard anybody said that was just you
about five minutes ago.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
That was a slip of the top.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
They were freaking off.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
It's a verb now, I mean, I feel like that's
an appropriate use of the word what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Later, I'll be freaking off. I'm not gonna be able
to witch all until maybe next week.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, let me know when that's over, because I have
no desire to be freaking off with anybody.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
My goodness.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
And then the air freshener thing, which I mentioned off
the top, so.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Apparently it was so crazy that it seeped out into
the hallway. I mean, what did it smell like? Does
baby oil smell a certain way?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Baby oil, possibly burning candles, sweaty flesh, vomiting.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
She's yes, she said she got sick from all the
drug use.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Look y'all, that's urine.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Oh how did we forget that? They're peeing in each
other's mouths and it spills out into.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
The given that detail, and then oh my god.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
But yeah, now that I'm thinking about it, it probably
smelled like a frat house.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
But the note here in quotes it said, please monitor
outside his room down the hall to spray air freshener.
You just have to monitor a guest room because we
know all kinds of foolishness. Did they not know something
illegal was going on?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Well? I was just wondering is there any culpability speaking
of culpability from these establishments that are allowing a person
to come into their establishment and other guests are there,
so they're responsible for other guests' experiences, other guests safety,
and maybe even the guests he's bringing into the room.
Do they have any responsibility if something happens at their hotel?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Why would they continue to let him to.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
They're going to claim they didn't know. They have to right,
They're going to claim they didn't know a llegal activity
was going on, but they're permitting it. I mean people
being paid for sex. I believe that's still illegal.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It is unless you're in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
They're not. But yeah, that was to hear that. It
was really eye opening to hear that they had a
file essentially and knew how to handle him based on
these free COFs. The other a significant couple new details
there from George Kaplan, the former assistant. He had been
on the stand the previous day, but he wrapped up
(17:06):
in the morning, but he confirmed the stories that Cassie
also told. He said he left his job because he
did witness or be abused on more than one occasion,
so he wrapped up his testim And again, this is
another guy we talked about, like many, he didn't want
to be there and almost wasn't going to be.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
There no, because he genuinely had to incriminate himself with
drug activity, picking up drugs, bringing the drugs to him
in order to testify accurately, and so yes, he had
to get an immunity deal from the judge before he
even felt comfortable speaking about what he saw, what he witnessed,
and what he participated in for some of those months.
Someone else who took the stand that I thought was
(17:42):
really telling and corroborating for Cassie's story was the makeup
artist that was a makeup artist for both Sean Diddycomb's
and for Cassie Ventura Maya Morales. But she actually details
a very specific event where she was sleeping or napping
and she heard yelling and it was so significant. Cassie
(18:03):
comes running in, she's got She said she witnessed a
black eye, a busted lip, and her injuries were so
bad that she took her back to her personal home
and had a friend of hers who was a physician,
come and examine Cassie and said, you need to go
to the emergency room, Cassie refused to go to the
emergency room, refused to call police. And here's this Maya
(18:24):
Morales and her friend who's a physician. Everyone just stays quiet.
They're afraid, she said, she was afraid.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
We're going to have to get into this later. And
I think we could all learn something about this case. No,
not every instance deals with a guy as powerful as
a diddy. But to hear the number of people who
are aware, who were literally there when crimes were taking
place that they're now describing on a stand and not
(18:52):
a single person called police. I am not aware of
this point, at least of a police report that was
done anywhere.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
No, the only time I've even heard so far in
testimony that there was ever police involved or called was
when he was standing outside her home with a hammer
after the video that we all saw. Correct, and her
friend only called other people in the diddy circle.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
They don't know how it happened.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
But hours later a police officer showed up and they said,
nothing's wrong, no problem, Naha, We've.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Got to do better. I mean, this is a tough
lesson for all of us to be learning together. But
to hear how many, I mean, they're like we could
probably just start naming up to ten easily. But there's
more who saw it and no one did anything. I
know what they're arguing. There's a powerful guy. We were
fearful of physical harm, death, all kinds of stuff. That
(19:46):
makes sense, but we got we gotta do better.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
You know. That is one thing that perhaps something good
that could come out of all of this is just
I think people don't feel like they have a voice
or that they will be believed, And perhaps that could
have been true too.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
But when you're going up someone who's powerful and rich
and regarded and esteemed and can make or break your
career and has proven it seems like that he if
he doesn't like you, will seek revenge. If you've angered him,
he will do something to you. So there is retribution
for any of that. But my god, you just if
just one person, and I don't know, like, do you
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trust police in this situation? Do you trust There's that
whole issue as well, where if you go to police,
how do you know that did he isn't gonna pay
them off or have them in your back pocket? Like,
there's just so many there's so much fear, is so
it's either motivating or it's crippling, and it looks like
it crippled so many people for so many years, and
there are so many victims because of it.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
It's complex and we get that, but it's just we
this is a hell of a And again, folks, we
will continue to update you and do these daily updates
so the trial, because it is important, we think, to
get past headlines, to get past baby oil, to get
past super villain, to get past some of the salaciousness
in the headlines. But we're going to continue to tell
(21:06):
you what's happening, but I want to keep a conversation
going with you all as well, so we certainly appreciate
you all listening.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And so again, there is no court Friday today, there's
no court on Monday from Memorial Day, but things will
resume on Tuesday, and it seems like they're going to
be kicking off with another bang as the prosecution continues
its case against Sean Diddy Coom and we will be
there with you through it all. Hope you all have
a wonderful weekend.
Hey there, folks. It is Friday, May twenty third, the
second week of testimony, and the Ditty trial is done.
And it wrapped Thursday with one of the most highly
anticipated witnesses so far, Kid Cuddy, the rapper who briefly
dated Cassie Ventura, Ditty's ex girlfriend. And with that, welcome
to this episode of Amy and TJ. Roodes. We continue
to be, as you put it, the one stop shop
(00:25):
to get folks caught up so they don't have to
go shopping around a bunch of places with a bunch
of reporting on a bunch of testimony.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Which is what we've been doing to get everyone caught up.
But yes, this was a quite a week. The first
week was explicit, the second week even more so because
a lot of this testimony backed up and added context
to what we heard from Cassie Ventur about what she
claimed she suffered for nearly eleven years at the hands
of Ditty.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
That's a good way to put it. She was there
for three, maybe even four days that she spent time
on the stand setting a foundation, and now everybody is
coming in essentially corroborating or at least lending something to
what she said, Like oh, Yeah, that thing we saw
Diddy do. That's in line with what Cassie said. So
there's been a lot of that. We got sixteen witnesses
so far. We do. Let you know, testimony is not
(01:14):
going to start again until next Tuesday. They took off
for the holiday weekend, but Robes as they wrapped up
the week, I like asking you here, what stood out
to you from the previous day that we now have
in the books.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You know, I know we had some explosive witnesses, but
I actually was taken it back by the testimony from
the general manager of an La hotel. Where did he
stayed frequently? Where did he apparently had these freak offs frequently?
And I was blown away that the hotel was so
aware of the craziness that was going on in these
(01:46):
hotel rooms that he would book under his alias, that
they actually had notes in a file with his alias
name about what to do, how to deal with all
the craziness, including spring air freshener in the hallways because
of the smells that were coming out of the room,
the fact that they had to shut down the room,
(02:08):
close it down for reservations after they left because they
knew they would have to do a deep clean. I mean,
the details just go on and on. But these were
physical notes written in a computer, so that the next
hotel employee who dealt with Diddy and his gang knew
how to manage it. And yet none of us knew
what was going on, And yet so many people were
(02:29):
aware of what was actually happening.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
He's speaking there of the general manager of a hotel.
He was one of several witnesses on the stand yesterday.
At least four were up there yesterday, among them the
former assistant. He continued his testimony from the previous day.
Did he's former assistant George Kaplan is his name. We
had a makeup artist who used to work for Diddi
but then ended up working for Cassie. She testify to
some violence that she saw. And then of course we
(02:53):
had Kid Cutty. Let's start there. Kid Cutty is a
Grammy winner. This guy is I'm not sure who compare
him to in the rap world, but he's for some people.
You got to do a little bit of a deep dive,
right he is. He's not a grand, top chart topping
hit maker type guy. He is more of a guy
(03:13):
that stains in his lane. He's a little he's a
little more I would say creative. He's outside the box
of regular hip hop and all, not.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Like a gangster rap. He's not doing rap beefs with people.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And yet somehow he got caught up in all of
this diddy back and forth.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
But I had never heard of him.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
But that's the thing. A lot of people don't seem
to know who he is. And he is well respected
in that community as being a creative, a really not
just a raw guy who gets up there. Obviously has talent,
but he is respected as a creative. We'll give him,
folks an idea of who this guy is. But he
walked in Roseman. The first thing that struck me was
what he was wearing. I mean, he got out of
the car. This is a very high profile trout, a
(03:53):
beat up motorcycle jacket, white T shirt, smoking a cigarette,
walking into.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
The court room, blue jeans on.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
That's how he chose the show. That's him, that's in
line with him, that's in line with his personality, do
you think. But that struck me as soon as I
saw it, like, where is he going? Is he going
into a club?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It looked like he was going into a James dean audition,
like he really was channeling that casual cool. I don't
give an f as he was walking in and like
the cigarette that had to be a choice, right or
did he just really need a smoke before he walked
in because he was nervous.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
You never know, but smokers, you never know when they
need a smoke break, but when they need one, they
need one. But he walked in completely chilling. But the
background here of the relevance here robes is that this
is the guy who dated Cassie for about a month.
And I guess we've heard heard the story so many
times at this point of how did he find out
(04:46):
found out about it? And that's how Cutty finds himself
in this store.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Uh yeah, so Cassie and did he apparently even though
they were broken up, were still apparently freaking off. That
actually was news to me as well. But he's going
through her phone because he had access to everything that
was hers and saw email from Cuttie's kid Cutti's assistant
asking about Cassie's toiletry bag over at Kid Cuttie's place,
(05:13):
and he went ballistic and the beef started then and
it got it went just it went from just him
being angry to him. Actually, according to Kid Cutty and Cassie,
taking action against the rapper.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
This is where he comes in to play. Here where
Kid Cutty claims that after this there was a break
into his home and that somebody torched his car with
a Molotov cocktail. He believes that Diddy is behind both
of those. He described an incident in which he got
on the phone with Ditty and they were telling him
(05:49):
to come home, like threatening him and telling him to
come to his own house, say when he got through
the places trashed? But did he wasn't there? So even
on the stand telling the story, and maybe we hear
all this and it pieces together with okay, maybe that
sounds like Diddy or that's in line with some other stuff.
They had proved necessarily that Diddy was there, but the
inference is.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Clear they might be setting up a way to prove
it in that there was someone else there.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Did he? According to Cutty?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
And what we may here next week a woman who
was his assistant at the time, who were expecting to
be on the stand on Tuesday. Her name's Capricorn. Hard
to forget that name, but she apparently was there too,
So perhaps we will hear from her corroborating what we
heard from Kid Cutty that yeah, Diddy and his folks
were there and they opened up his Christmas presents, like
unwrapped them, locked his dog up, So he was very
(06:41):
upset about all of that. And of course the Porsche
incident we heard from Cassie Ventura saying that did he
when he found out, said I'm going to blow up
his car? Like actually said that and then lo and
behold a short time later, Kid Cutty's car actually was
torched and blew up.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
That lets you know who Kid Cutt he is and
why he's important to this case. But he got on
the stand, I think robes and this is part of
the reason we want to do this these updates we're
continued to do so throughout the trial is because a
lot of times you only see a headline and you
try to make sense of it. And the headline that
many of you may have seen already is that Cutt
he called did he a Marvel super villain? And there's
(07:29):
some context with that. We got some earlier and piece
this story together and that sounds like it's clever and
it's cute and that's funny, but there's a whole lot more.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
To it than that, that's right, because actually when he
said that in the courtroom from the people who were
there inside, said, the audience or the folks in the
courtroom laughed. They were chuckling at what he said. But
there was really nothing funny about what he was describing.
Because he went to go meet him to try and
deal with all of this back and forth and to
stop any more threats or potential vie olence. And so
(08:00):
he met him at the Soho house and Cassie was there,
but he said he was stood there in a silhouette
with his hands behind his back, standing in a super
villain position, just to give you an idea. And look,
we've talked to folks who know him and say that's
right on brand.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
That surprised me. We did. We talked to someone who's
worked with him over the years and right in the
middle of the height of bad Boy and said, yes,
that is a that's absolutely I recognize it. I know it.
I've seen it a hundred times. He just and if
you stop and think about a lot of these Disney movies,
you can see it. There's some guy standing on a
window looking out, hands behind his back, some ominous look.
(08:37):
He said that was something he was known for and
Diddy regularly did. But he said it in a funny way,
a Marvel supervillain. But those, you know, super villains are scary.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
They certainly are, and they can do damage and intimidating.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I think that's what I took away from it.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Just yes, we're hearing about the physical violence and that thrust,
but there was just a physical intimidation. He knew how
to stand a certain way, how to look at you
a certain way, how to just speak volumes, perhaps without
even saying anything at all. So when Kid Cutty described
that scene, we can all see it in our heads,
and it all makes sense that part of the reason
why the prosecution is trying to set up this case
(09:11):
of coercion, and a lot of that was with drug use,
they say, but also just with his the threatening nature
of who he was and what he said he would do.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
So Cuddy did say they had a meeting did He
looked to him in the eye, said I'm not responsible
for any of that stuff. I didn't do it. He
shook on it. Cut He said, I didn't believe him
for a second, and then he said several years later,
they ran into each other and did. He wasn't specific,
but he apologized for all that bs, all that mess,
So he took it as an admission, but he didn't
(09:43):
wasn't specific about Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Know something else that just reminded me that Cutty said
Kid Cutty said that was interesting and perhaps wasn't what
the prosecution was hoping he would say. But and I
don't know how the jury would will take this, but
he said that both he and Diddy got played by
Cassie Ventur, so that probably wasn't a I don't know
how big of a strike that was against the prosecution
(10:07):
and in terms of keeping Cassie Ventor's credibility where they wanted,
but he certainly felt like he'd been played by her.
I mean they only were together for about a month.
But he also said he got out of it because
he just could not deal with all the drama. And
I think when you hear him tell his story about
what that month was like for him and even the
few weeks that followed, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
That's still to your point about the he said they
got played. I mean you talk about they try to
keep up with her credibility, but her culpability is going
to be an issue in this case because they did
wait all these text messages. She wanted to be there,
she was initiating, she was leading sometimes, and all these things.
And to hear, yes, her testimony was devastating to hear
(10:46):
clearly we know and we have seen her be abused,
but to hear if it a steady drum beat, even
a little bit here and there of Oh, Cassie's not
just victims just a victim, She's an accomplice to some degree,
is what the defense is trying to establish. And maybe
that one little comment, yeah, I got played by Cassie
(11:09):
plays in some way to wonder, it.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Plays oh you need Yeah, It plants the seat in
someone's head.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
And you think about that meeting when he came to
confront Ditty, or at least to try and calm things down.
She was in the room with them, standing next to Ditty.
So that is those are all. It seems small and
potentially insignificant, but it could plant a seed in a
juror's head.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
The other and we talk about that. We're going to
go through some details here now that you all. I
just can't believe this was from the general manager of
Lameritage in La a hotel out there. But Frederick Zeemour
is his name, the general manager. But Robes this blew
my mind. Talk about culpability, we talk about who did
(11:51):
all of us in some way allow this to happen?
In playing sight, this hotel might have some more to
answer given this testimony.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
And that's right because mister Zmore testify that notes at
and this is just one hotel.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Who knows what other hotels had.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
But in his hotel there was a note under the
profile Frank Black, which is the alias that did he
use when he came to the hotel, and they knew
exactly who was coming, and so under the name Frank
Black here were some of the notes. Always spills candle
wax on everything and uses excessive amounts of oil, so
(12:28):
even they knew about the baby oil.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
See different we fall probably well, we travel enough to
where you're at a play or even if you have
rewards or something like a rowds program, you go to
a hotel, they have a profile on you that knows
you like this has a nut allergy if you're there enough.
It's that kind of thing. There is a guest profile
that is warning guest or the hotel employees. This is
(12:52):
how you handle this guy. This is how he behaves,
This is how you need to do it. In response,
why would anybody would kicked out for the behavior right
what they have in his profile?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Why would you be allowed to return? You know, I imagine
at a certain point. So to that point, they also
did say that when you are checking in anyone who's
checking in Frank Black, you have to authorize an extra
one thousand dollars when that guest stays with us to
cover any room damages. So clearly they learned that there
are massive damages coming.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
So why would you want him back in the hotel?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I guess because as Sean Diddy comes that, is there
any other reason that the financial because somebody pays for.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Hotels, is he paying more than other guests? That makes
no sense to me.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
So yes, to your point that I would love to
ask some more questions of this hotel.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
The note also instructs staff to place the room out
of order upon departure for deep cleaning. Again, that means
that they can't then have that room available for another guest.
When you know, late late checkout probably doesn't even matter,
but to get someone back in right.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Imagine, I mean the punisher called own, Hey, we're going
to need a late checkout.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
We need a late checkout.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
But then you can't have new guests come into that
room it looks like for another twenty four hours. So
now you're losing money every time did he comes because
you can't release the room as normal people do. And
I guarantee you told him you got a twelve pm checkout.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
He is not going to be adhering to that.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You know what many people who are thinking, when when
did I stay at that hotel?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Did I stay in that I did? It did smell
a little weird.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
People are probably staying in those rooms right now and
don't even know it.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That's freaky to use it. I keep using that word.
Why you know what?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
You use this? Or I did not know? And we
need to address this. These are freak offs. Yes, you
earlier said that someone was freaking off? So can it
be a verb and a noun?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I mean I feel established, I feel like, yeah, the.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
First time I heard anybody said that was just you
about five minutes ago.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
That was a slip of the top.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
They were freaking off.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
It's a verb now, I mean, I feel like that's
an appropriate use of the word what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Later, I'll be freaking off. I'm not gonna be able
to witch all until maybe next week.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, let me know when that's over, because I have
no desire to be freaking off with anybody.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
My goodness.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
And then the air freshener thing, which I mentioned off
the top, so.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Apparently it was so crazy that it seeped out into
the hallway. I mean, what did it smell like? Does
baby oil smell a certain way?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Baby oil, possibly burning candles, sweaty flesh, vomiting.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
She's yes, she said she got sick from all the
drug use.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Look y'all, that's urine.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Oh how did we forget that? They're peeing in each
other's mouths and it spills out into.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
The given that detail, and then oh my god.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
But yeah, now that I'm thinking about it, it probably
smelled like a frat house.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
But the note here in quotes it said, please monitor
outside his room down the hall to spray air freshener.
You just have to monitor a guest room because we
know all kinds of foolishness. Did they not know something
illegal was going on?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Well? I was just wondering is there any culpability speaking
of culpability from these establishments that are allowing a person
to come into their establishment and other guests are there,
so they're responsible for other guests' experiences, other guests safety,
and maybe even the guests he's bringing into the room.
Do they have any responsibility if something happens at their hotel?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Why would they continue to let him to.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
They're going to claim they didn't know. They have to right,
They're going to claim they didn't know a llegal activity
was going on, but they're permitting it. I mean people
being paid for sex. I believe that's still illegal.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It is unless you're in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
They're not. But yeah, that was to hear that. It
was really eye opening to hear that they had a
file essentially and knew how to handle him based on
these free COFs. The other a significant couple new details
there from George Kaplan, the former assistant. He had been
on the stand the previous day, but he wrapped up
(17:06):
in the morning, but he confirmed the stories that Cassie
also told. He said he left his job because he
did witness or be abused on more than one occasion,
so he wrapped up his testim And again, this is
another guy we talked about, like many, he didn't want
to be there and almost wasn't going to be.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
There no, because he genuinely had to incriminate himself with
drug activity, picking up drugs, bringing the drugs to him
in order to testify accurately, and so yes, he had
to get an immunity deal from the judge before he
even felt comfortable speaking about what he saw, what he witnessed,
and what he participated in for some of those months.
Someone else who took the stand that I thought was
(17:42):
really telling and corroborating for Cassie's story was the makeup
artist that was a makeup artist for both Sean Diddycomb's
and for Cassie Ventura Maya Morales. But she actually details
a very specific event where she was sleeping or napping
and she heard yelling and it was so significant. Cassie
(18:03):
comes running in, she's got She said she witnessed a
black eye, a busted lip, and her injuries were so
bad that she took her back to her personal home
and had a friend of hers who was a physician,
come and examine Cassie and said, you need to go
to the emergency room, Cassie refused to go to the
emergency room, refused to call police. And here's this Maya
(18:24):
Morales and her friend who's a physician. Everyone just stays quiet.
They're afraid, she said, she was afraid.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
We're going to have to get into this later. And
I think we could all learn something about this case. No,
not every instance deals with a guy as powerful as
a diddy. But to hear the number of people who
are aware, who were literally there when crimes were taking
place that they're now describing on a stand and not
(18:52):
a single person called police. I am not aware of
this point, at least of a police report that was
done anywhere.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
No, the only time I've even heard so far in
testimony that there was ever police involved or called was
when he was standing outside her home with a hammer
after the video that we all saw. Correct, and her
friend only called other people in the diddy circle.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
They don't know how it happened.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
But hours later a police officer showed up and they said,
nothing's wrong, no problem, Naha, We've.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Got to do better. I mean, this is a tough
lesson for all of us to be learning together. But
to hear how many, I mean, they're like we could
probably just start naming up to ten easily. But there's
more who saw it and no one did anything. I
know what they're arguing. There's a powerful guy. We were
fearful of physical harm, death, all kinds of stuff. That
(19:46):
makes sense, but we got we gotta do better.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
You know. That is one thing that perhaps something good
that could come out of all of this is just
I think people don't feel like they have a voice
or that they will be believed, And perhaps that could
have been true too.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
But when you're going up someone who's powerful and rich
and regarded and esteemed and can make or break your
career and has proven it seems like that he if
he doesn't like you, will seek revenge. If you've angered him,
he will do something to you. So there is retribution
for any of that. But my god, you just if
just one person, and I don't know, like, do you
(20:25):
trust police in this situation? Do you trust There's that
whole issue as well, where if you go to police,
how do you know that did he isn't gonna pay
them off or have them in your back pocket? Like,
there's just so many there's so much fear, is so
it's either motivating or it's crippling, and it looks like
it crippled so many people for so many years, and
there are so many victims because of it.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
It's complex and we get that, but it's just we
this is a hell of a And again, folks, we
will continue to update you and do these daily updates
so the trial, because it is important, we think, to
get past headlines, to get past baby oil, to get
past super villain, to get past some of the salaciousness
in the headlines. But we're going to continue to tell
(21:06):
you what's happening, but I want to keep a conversation
going with you all as well, so we certainly appreciate
you all listening.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And so again, there is no court Friday today, there's
no court on Monday from Memorial Day, but things will
resume on Tuesday, and it seems like they're going to
be kicking off with another bang as the prosecution continues
its case against Sean Diddy Coom and we will be
there with you through it all. Hope you all have
a wonderful weekend.
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