May 29, 2025 • 26 mins
An LA police officer and fire investigator both testified to Diddy’s possible involvement in Kid Cudi’s break-in and car bombing, and it was fascinating. From the expensive silk handkerchief to the destroyed fingerprints on the Old English bottle used in the attack,(that detail had Diddy’s lawyer asking for a mistrial) the details read like a movie script. Cassie Ventura’s stylist also took the stand and testified to personally witnessing Diddy kicking, hitting, punching, and dragging Cassie on multiple occasions and helping Cassie hide from him on “too many occasions to count.”
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey folks, it's Thursday, May twenty ninth. Welcome to this
episode of Amy and TJ. The Ditty trial continues as
we speak, and a reminder, this is now the third
full week of testimony and robes as we record this
now testimony, it's going to be another full day. But
it's hard to get through all the testimony if you're
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not paying close attention and have time to go through
all of these articles online. So we are providing a
service here.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
That's right. So yes, we are following up on all
the testimony what happened with a very full day in
court yesterday which was Wednesday, And so you don't have
to click and try to read and piece it all together.
It's all here for you, along with our take on
what is happening inside that courtroom just a few blocks
away from where we are sitting right now. But yes
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yesterday was another big day of testimony where we heard
from two law enforcement officials, one with the Fire Department
talking about some of the issues with Ditty and Kid Cutty.
And then the big, big, big witness on the stand
was Cassie Ventura Findes personal stylist and now her friend
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Deontay Nash and he had a lot to say about
what he witnessed and how he feels about both Cassie
and Sean Ditty Combs.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, the majority of the day the stand was occupied
by Deontay Nash. We're going to get into everything he
had to say, which was absolutely a lot. He saw
a lot and was able to detail a lot of
the alleged violence that she endured at the hands of Ditty.
But the Chris Ignacio was the laped officer, and he
was important because he was able to corroborate a lot
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of what we had already heard. He was the one
who showed up or one of the officers who showed
up after Diddy allegedly broke into Kid Cutty's house Ropes.
He said he got there, he went inside. He didn't
see Diddy, he didn't see a security guard, but he
saw He testified to the aftermath that we have already
heard about how Cutty's place was trashed, certainly allegedly and
by everything they're piecing together, it was Ditty and his
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security guard had gone into the house.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That's right. He says he personally saw a black escalat. Sorry,
I can't talk, so I a black escalade take off
once he pulled up and then come back around. He
ran the plates and yep, that black escalade was registered
to bad Boy, which is of course Sean Diddy comes company.
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And so that that was a big, you know, piece
of evidence that clearly puts at least a representative of Ditty,
if not Diddy himself there at the time around when
Kid Cutty said his home was vandalized.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Again, this was the exact time. The whole incident we're
talking about here is the knight that Ditty allegedly got mad,
found out Cuddy and Cassie were dating, went to Cutt's
house that night. Now, someone who was with him, Capricorn Clark,
is another former assistant who testified as well with some
pretty powerful stuff. She was telling that, yes, they were
in a black escalade. They went to the house. She
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talked about what happened. She said, yes, cut he pulled up,
he took off, and we chased him in the black
escalade for a little while and then came back to
the house. So the escalade has played a lot into
this story. And to hear now an officer say, he
laid eyes on that escalade in question. He saw it
that night and Apparently whoever was in that escalade saw
officers coming that night and took off. YEP is the
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story now that's being put together. And you can't use
a lot of black escalades out there, especially in LA.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
But he ran the plates exactly, So that's really not
up for dispute. If you've got an officer of the
law running the plates of this black escalade, that pretty
much puts or at least connects all the dots for
jurors that, if not Didty, someone who represented Ditty was
there while all of this was being.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
With the thought of the matter of yes, Capricorn Clogg
told the story. But to think that an officer, I mean,
chances are given the timing, and given the timing, there's
a decent chance that did he was still in that vehicle. Yes,
To think that there was a cop that passed, To
think he was right there and all this stuff, this
is ten years ago. I think this incident was to
think that an officer was right there, like there were
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so many missed opportunities. I guess somebody faulting the officers.
I'm just saying. Along the way, and as we've been
following this trial, somebody saw a beating take place, didn't
do anything. Somebody saw this, didn't do anything. Somebody was
scared to do this. And just to think that close,
just passing ditty at the scene, it's this. You think
you've heard enough or a lot, or at all, and
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it just keeps coming to this true.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So much of it seems like a movie script. So
much of it, even those near misses or those missed
opportunities that allowed this to continue for years and years
and years, all feels like the movie, like a movie script,
like almost almost almost. And yet not until the very end,
not until Cassie filed her lawsuit, did any of this
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come to light.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
On the movie thing. Isn't this the point of the
movie where you're screaming at the screen. He's in the.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Car, Yes, so you just oh my gosh, so close,
so close. Yeah, But we're hearing it all play out
in court, and it really is as riveting as a
movie script and as devastating, and it's it is a
horror movie, truly, I mean, it really is. It feels
like a horror movie, and it is. It was life
for so many people who were in this inner circle
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of Sean Diddy Combs. According to their testimony.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And the officer said, nobody ever said anything to him
about Diddy. Nobody said anything about theft. It was only
to investigate trespassing and that was the end of it,
and they went about their day. Now, the other person
who was up on the stand was a fire investigator
and arson investigator who checked out the fire in Kid
Cutty's car, the porst that had the molotov cocktail in it. Now,
this was when things got a little interesting, because, yes,
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the defense at one point during this man's testimony moved
for mistrial. They wanted to end this thing yesterday because
of this guy's testimony. We were talking about Lanceamenez, he's
an LA fire investigator in Robes. He got up and
he mentioned something and I think he was just answering
the question having to do what There were fingerprints that
were found at kid Cutty's car. They piecing together, of
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course through testimony, that they believe that Diddy had something
to do with it. That's never been proven. Fine, but
the fire investigator said, we found fingerprints, but those were
later destroyed. That is what prompted defense attorneys to speak up.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yes, they said it implied that Ditty had so much
reach and so much power that he was able to
somehow have those fingerprints destroyed. But there were partial fingerprints,
and of course we should mention. The judge said, no,
that did nothing. They did this outside of the juror's attention.
They had a sidebar, and the judge said, no, this
is not in any way incriminating your client, and the
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jury has not been tainted, and we're going to proceed.
The estimony continued, and I thought it was really interesting
when Detective Jimenez talked about that the fingerprints, the partial fingerprints,
I think they were able to say it was for
a woman, for a female. We know that Caricorn, Capricorn
Clark was there. So then of course Diddy's defense team
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went really full tilt on that one and tried to
lean in on the fact that the fingerprints were possibly
female not male.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Look, they had no this is another crime that they
had no suspect. They had no witness to come forward
and say who they thought the suspect was. Because the
two people mainly involved in this, Cassie Ventura, kid Cutty
and Capricorn Clark, none of them made a police report
accusing him of anything of the sort. His name never
came up, and in fact, Cassie and Capricorn, this fire
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investigator said he called repeatedly trying to get in touch
with him in Robes. This again nobody want They would
not call him back, they would not take his call.
And this goes to fear that they say so many
people felt about that.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Part of his testimony blew me away that here is
a detective with the law trying to figure out why
Kid Cutty's car blew up with a he said, a
poorly constructed Molotov cocktail. And we know now that we
heard Cassie Ventura testify that Sean Ditty Combs threatened to
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blow up Kid Cutty's car, and then, sure enough, a
short time later, Kid Cutty's car blows up. So we
only hear this after the fact. But yes, when this
buyer investigator is trying to figure out how this happened,
no one would talk to him, to the point where
he said Capricorn's brother finally answered her phone and said
leave her alone. It was very clear that no one
who actually knew what happened had any intention of talking
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about what happened incriminating Ditty in any way. And as
you point out, fearful to do so, to even take
an officer's phone call. They wouldn't even answer the phone
that speaks volumes.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
We keep using that. We kept saying, Molotov cocktail, Molotov cocktail,
and if you're familiar, it's essentially a bottle with whatever accelerating, aacoline, alcohol, whatever,
and then you stick a rag in the top, you
light it, then you toss the thing, and when you
toss it, of course something is on fire. But then
the fluid that's in there spreads with the flame and
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it causes more destruction. This officer robe said this was
a crappy Molotov cocktail. Somebody didn't understand the concept, because
sure enough, they cut a hole in the top of
his car, but it was kind of just placed in there.
It didn't break.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yes, if it breaks open, then the fuel whatever it is,
spreads and there's a huge fire. They said it honestly.
The car was so close to his home that if
they had done it correctly, not only would his car
have blown up, but his house most likely would have
caught fire as well. And I thought it was also
interesting when they just described with the Molotov cocktail looked
like it was an old English bottle, gasoline and a
designer handkerchief, a silk designer handkerchief.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So you can hear like Chris Rock making a joke
about how that obviously we're.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Gonna throw away or blow up a designer handkerchief. You
know how much those things cost?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I do, actually, because I only have one but old
English oh E malt liquor. This is some old school
hood stuff. Oh have you ever had?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I have never had. I didn't even know it was
referred to as O E.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
E yes malt licka.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Do you think he was honestly with that, almost leaving
a signature oh E with a designer handkerchief. It's like,
f you love ditty. I feel like that's what that said.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Again, we get the implications here, and we are making
a little light of the oe bottle and a designer
a handkerchief, But this was absolutely a somebody was And
what the most more and the more violent thing.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
They cut a hole in the Porsche. They cut a
hole in the top to get this in there, but
again they placed it so it was just sitting in there.
Gent At least a lot of people at this point
have seen a lot of the.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
You throw a Molotov cocktail, do you not usually, Oh yeah,
so he can break it. You want it to break, Yes,
it needs to break.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
But the video we have seen in the pictures of
his car don't go with a lot of the words
being used in some of the covers say his car
blew up or his car was there was a bombing
of some kind, because it just looked like it's charred
in places.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
That's why maybe this is total conjecture and my just
uninformed opinion to go for it. I'm going to say it.
But maybe he didn't want the whole car to blow it.
Maybe he wanted it to be a warning and he
wanted it to know that that was from him, based
on how he wanted the evidence of the Molotov cocktail
to stay intact so that Cuddy would know it was him.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
That's one theory. I don't subscribe to it.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
But that's some fun.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
It's a poor what just a bad idea, you know what.
It sounds like something you didn't think through, you didn't
plan it. He called it a makeshift bomb of it
was something that the officer said. It just it was
not well done and it wasn't well executed. But thank
goodness said it wasn't. Then everybody ended up okay there
those two were up first on the day, but then Robes,
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the one we'd been hearing about talking about. They actually
expected to get to four witnesses yesterday and they actually
only got to three because Deontay Nash. They had him
up on the stand for quite a while. And this
is a celeberty stylist who by all accounts, he was
a character if you will, He had a personality on
the stand, but he made clear when he got up there,
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I don't want to be here.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yes, one news outlet referred to him as cheeky, which
I think was appropriate. But yes, he was asked if
he was going to sue Diddy and he said no,
I'm focused on getting out of here as an out
of court. He didn't want to be there, and it
was very clear. And by that, with so many of
these witnesses who have been compelled to testify, you can
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tell that they're not there for revenge. They're not there
to see Diddy go down. They're there almost against their will.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, who was the I can't remember her name right now.
It was Cassie's former best friend who she said, did
he assaulted her and she lost her best friend over it,
because yes, her best friend essentially didn't shut her out,
but didn't stand up for her during that. That was
another young lady who said, I don't want to be here.
I want these people out of my life and out
of this world. And I've been working like she's she's
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years removed from this. I don't want to be back here.
That is a theme. Folks don't want anything to do
with this world. We've been hearing so much.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It was so awful, and they don't want to return
to it, and I'm imagining a lot of them don't
want to remember it. But Deontae Nash did recall so
many memories of personally witnessing Cassie being kicked, talk about
dragged by the hair, and the one that the one
instance that he described was just so awful. She was
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asleep on the couch and he was in the hotel
room with her and apparently she wasn't answering her phone
and it made him so angry. When he rushed into
the hotel room, he immediately just started, according to Deontay Nash,
just beating her and she ended up with a gash
on her head. So deep from hitting the headboard from
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being hit that he wanted to call nine one one,
he said. But that is when Diddy said, no, I'll
just take her to my personal plastic surgeon. And he
saw her the next day with stitches on her head.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
That's where we talk about this again. This is at
least two people now who are who witness what they
describe at least as something that will get you years
in prison, and nobody called or stepped in or made
a change and continued working with this man. It's hard
to get your head around if you're on the outside
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like us rogues. But people are telling these stories just
how trapped they felt, and it's painting a picture of
a world that quite frankly, I would argue, as a
kid in the nineties, we all wanted to be a
part of that world. It all looked so glamorous from
the outside. We all rooted for Diddy, we were all
just I mean, I remember the first time I met Diddy.
I was so I was over the moon, and I'm
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talking I was a grown man. I'm thought I was
forty years old or something, and I'm still just in
awe and to think, like wow, we all just watch it.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
It makes you feel six to your stomach, doesn't it, because.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
We all seem to be a part of it. And
to some degree, obviously.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
He but you didn't know what you didn't know? And
the sad thing is the people who were seeing testified
didn't know, and for whatever reason, they didn't do anything
about it. This one, this really stood out to me.
What Deontay testified to He said that moment where she
got the gash on her head, and there was he said,
there was blood everywhere. Obviously heads bleed a lot. And
what did did he say when that happened? He looked
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at Deontay, Nash and Cassie and said, look what y'all
made me do? Is that not a classic line of
an abuser? Look what you made me do? Taking zero
responsibility and blaming the victim and blaming the people who
loved her. That is horrific.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
What was the one part of the story as well?
He said this was he said, a switch kind of
flipped with ditty. And we've heard several witnesses testified who
said they saw him being violent, or at least they
keep using the word rage. There's a rage in him.
And Nasher was describing this moment before he said, look
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what y'all made me do? He said he turned into
a different person and completely calmed when he saw the blood.
He said, he was a totally different guy. And it's
like a switch just flipped at that moment when he
saw blood everywhere. But I think Cassi, even to her,
she's been to her fine and testified about it as well,
saying that was a moment that just blackened his eyes,
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like she didn't recognize who he was.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
That's scary. That is wild, very scary. And another thing
that was just so heartbreaking. And we've used that word
so much when talking about the testimony that we've been
hearing in this trial. But when Deontay talked about how
did he forced him to take him to the hotel
where Cassie was hiding from him.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
He can I bag up on the story. So I
have notes here and I actually put them out of order.
So this goes that the conclusion to this story you
were about to give is the part that sinks your
heart once again. But this was a time where he
was once again looking for Cassie. Cassie ends up in
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this incident at his house. He takes her from his
house because he got a heads up that did he
was on the way looking for Cassie. He takes Cassie
in a car from his house to Sunset Boulevard, just
drops off, like, go tell her to go Scared. They
both like, you're planning an escape from somebody.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You're dropping someone off in the middle of a massive
busy road and just say figure it out. But you're
safer here than you are with me or anywhere near him.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Oh yes, Diddy ends up coming over, but she's not
there at that point, says looked. He looked in the oven.
He looked up and down. That sounds like a crazy person.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
He looked in the oven. Like closets too, But okay,
I can understand why he would look in a closet.
But like the fact that you're searching for someone who
is clearly hiding from you is sad and scary all
in one. But yeah, he looked in the oven.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
But from this incident, they end up like you were
going here, They go to the hotel. So all this
is going on, Nash ends up getting forced to take
Ditty to the hotel where Cassie's hiding out. Sins Nash
and a security guard upstairs to get Cassie who was
up there hiding out. And this is where it just
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go Jesus, this puts you in a to try to
understand where her head was, where her heart was, where
she was in life? Is this story?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Oh it's hard to even repeat what she did. But
when he got up, when Deanta gets up into the
hotel room and he's supposed to bring her back down
to Ditty waiting in the car, he said that she
was in the balcony. She was walking towards it, and
she said she wanted to go over the balcony, and
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he was sure she was going to harm herself. She
was going to jump off the balcony of that hotel
room rather than go back downstairs with him and get
in the car with Ditty.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
There was someone else who was it else that I
think she spoke of it at the time. She wanted
to just walk out into traffic.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
There was another time a friend of hers said that
after Ditty had assaulted her, Cassie was at her house
and she was just sitting on the couch. Diddy was
banging on the door just violently. Everybody else was freaking out.
Cassie was sitting on the couch calmly while was going on,
and her friend said, I don't think she cared if
she lived or died. Yeah, these are three stories that
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seemed fairly consistent if you will, with a woman who
just wanted to.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Give up, well she was. You wouldn't get to that
place or have those thoughts unless you were searching for relief,
and that sounded better. Death sounded better than dealing with
the hell she was living in. And that is just
awful and horrific, and it's just one of the saddest
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things I've ever heard. Just you can try to put
yourself in her position and imagine how hopeless and how
trapped you must feel to think that was the only
way out. And you know a lot of this and
this is what Deontay testified to as well. So much
of this was about blackmail because people say just leave,
people say, but Diddy, he heard Didty threaten to release
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those explicit videos of her during freak offs, And it
wasn't just about even releasing it to the public. He
specifically told her The first place this is, according to Deontay,
that Diddy would send those explicit videos to would be
the places where her parents worked to make sure her
parents were fired. And a Milids, that's so personal, that's
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so scary, and you can see where you would feel
like I'll do anything to make sure that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
That's that's a that's a low. That's a coal coal
threat to make to somebody. I almost send this to you, Yeah,
all of us. You remember people telling you don't do
anything that you wouldn't want on the front page of
the New York Times, right, don't ever do anything. I
guess we probably failed in that advice. My point is
still here being there is nothing and no one you
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would want to protect your foolishness from than your parents.
And you would never want your parents to be publicly
humiliated by something you do, but you would never want
them to see you doing your worst, your dirt, your whatever.
To that type of that threat you talk about giving
you chills. That's a threat that just sounds It.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Was so evil. It sounds evil. This is what it sounds.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It sounds evil.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
And you know what Deontae also, this is part of
what the prosecution's case was, and he's certainly testified into
proving this that Cassie didn't want and he heard and
witnessed Cassie not wanting to participate in the freak offs.
She was at her own birthday party and instead of
going out karaokeing with her friends. He personally saw her
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being you know, pushed, forced, coerced, whatever you want to
use to come with Diddy instead to a freak off,
and she told him she didn't want to go. She
told Deonte she didn't want to go, So he personally
witnessed her trying to refuse these freak offs and ultimately
feeling as though, for whatever reason, whether it was the
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threat of the tapes or a threat of violence, she
would eventually just say yes.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Can we in on some good news? We haven't we
haven't done this yet right in all these updates, we
will continue to post these, but this, this is the
good news from this week. Cassie is now a mom
of three. Cassie even Toura Fine did give birth on Tuesday.
We found out, I guess we got confirmation of it.
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Rose the court did. At least the update from Deontay Nash.
They are that close of friends. He actually called her,
he said, in the hospital the previous day, and she
did have her baby. I didn't see all the details
you just found them.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yes, NBC News is reporting that Cassie Ventura Fine and
her husband Alex are now proud parents to a little boy.
And that's super sweet because they already have two daughters, Frankie,
who is five and Sonny, who is four. I love
those names. We don't have the name yet of the boy,
but it is confirmed that she gave birth to a
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healthy baby boy. And that's pretty remarkable when you think
about where she was just a week and a half
ago on that witness stand and the fact that she
was able to emotionally and frankly physically handle reliving what
seems like an unthinkable hell scape to any one of
us in front of the world. You know what the
world is listening.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
What do they recommend? Do they tell women to avoid
stressed with the situation?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Polutely, You're not supposed to fly even after eight months.
You're not supposed to do anything strenuous after eight months
physically or emotionally. You're supposed to stay pampered and peaceful
as much as you can for the health of yourself
and the health of your baby. So that, to me,
that was a herculean effort and remarkable that she was
on that witness stand for as long as she was
talking about what she was talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
You know what, this is a human moment I wanted
to take. We talked about it this morning, Robes. But
so many of us have been referring to a Cassie Ventura,
a Cassie Ventura, a Cassie Ventura. Sometimes people use the
last name just save Ventura. I have at times been
saying Cassie because that's what she went by when she
was an artist, and it just kind of flows out.
But Deontay Nash reminded us all with just a simple
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correction to a defense attorn that she is more than
an artist, she is more than a victim, and those
aren't even the things we should lead with. She is
a human being. She is a woman, and she is
a mother, and she is a wife. And so I
thought it was cool. I don't think the defense attorney
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was making much of a point. He was just saying
something and referred to her as miss miss Cassieventura, and
he corrected her and said missus fine. I thought that
was just somebody could take it as Oh, what's the
big deal, Why did he even have to do that?
Do you have to be a smart ass. I just
those little moments that we forget that people are just
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like the folks we are sitting across the table from
right now, or your family. They seem larger than life.
They're not just icons or musicians. Anytime you label somebody
like that, it makes it so much easier to call
them by a name or insult them. But if you
remember she is missus, fine wife and mother, it helps.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
It was a powerful moment. I appreciated it as well.
And by the way, Nash is actually on the stand
right now as we are recording this. He is going
to finish up his testimony and then we are expecting
later today. Mia, that is what she's being called, but
she is also known as Victim number four. She is
going to remain anonymous, but it appears she is another
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employee who witnessed a lot and I believe she was
in that hotel room with Deontey Nash when that big
gash happened and all that blood was everywhere. So we
are going to hear a lot more from Mia, and
we will of course keep you updated on all of
that in tomorrow's episode.
Hey folks, it's Thursday, May twenty ninth. Welcome to this
episode of Amy and TJ. The Ditty trial continues as
we speak, and a reminder, this is now the third
full week of testimony and robes as we record this
now testimony, it's going to be another full day. But
it's hard to get through all the testimony if you're
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not paying close attention and have time to go through
all of these articles online. So we are providing a
service here.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
That's right. So yes, we are following up on all
the testimony what happened with a very full day in
court yesterday which was Wednesday, And so you don't have
to click and try to read and piece it all together.
It's all here for you, along with our take on
what is happening inside that courtroom just a few blocks
away from where we are sitting right now. But yes
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yesterday was another big day of testimony where we heard
from two law enforcement officials, one with the Fire Department
talking about some of the issues with Ditty and Kid Cutty.
And then the big, big, big witness on the stand
was Cassie Ventura Findes personal stylist and now her friend
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Deontay Nash and he had a lot to say about
what he witnessed and how he feels about both Cassie
and Sean Ditty Combs.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, the majority of the day the stand was occupied
by Deontay Nash. We're going to get into everything he
had to say, which was absolutely a lot. He saw
a lot and was able to detail a lot of
the alleged violence that she endured at the hands of Ditty.
But the Chris Ignacio was the laped officer, and he
was important because he was able to corroborate a lot
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of what we had already heard. He was the one
who showed up or one of the officers who showed
up after Diddy allegedly broke into Kid Cutty's house Ropes.
He said he got there, he went inside. He didn't
see Diddy, he didn't see a security guard, but he
saw He testified to the aftermath that we have already
heard about how Cutty's place was trashed, certainly allegedly and
by everything they're piecing together, it was Ditty and his
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security guard had gone into the house.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That's right. He says he personally saw a black escalat. Sorry,
I can't talk, so I a black escalade take off
once he pulled up and then come back around. He
ran the plates and yep, that black escalade was registered
to bad Boy, which is of course Sean Diddy comes company.
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And so that that was a big, you know, piece
of evidence that clearly puts at least a representative of Ditty,
if not Diddy himself there at the time around when
Kid Cutty said his home was vandalized.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Again, this was the exact time. The whole incident we're
talking about here is the knight that Ditty allegedly got mad,
found out Cuddy and Cassie were dating, went to Cutt's
house that night. Now, someone who was with him, Capricorn Clark,
is another former assistant who testified as well with some
pretty powerful stuff. She was telling that, yes, they were
in a black escalade. They went to the house. She
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talked about what happened. She said, yes, cut he pulled up,
he took off, and we chased him in the black
escalade for a little while and then came back to
the house. So the escalade has played a lot into
this story. And to hear now an officer say, he
laid eyes on that escalade in question. He saw it
that night and Apparently whoever was in that escalade saw
officers coming that night and took off. YEP is the
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story now that's being put together. And you can't use
a lot of black escalades out there, especially in LA.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
But he ran the plates exactly, So that's really not
up for dispute. If you've got an officer of the
law running the plates of this black escalade, that pretty
much puts or at least connects all the dots for
jurors that, if not Didty, someone who represented Ditty was
there while all of this was being.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
With the thought of the matter of yes, Capricorn Clogg
told the story. But to think that an officer, I mean,
chances are given the timing, and given the timing, there's
a decent chance that did he was still in that vehicle. Yes,
To think that there was a cop that passed, To
think he was right there and all this stuff, this
is ten years ago. I think this incident was to
think that an officer was right there, like there were
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so many missed opportunities. I guess somebody faulting the officers.
I'm just saying. Along the way, and as we've been
following this trial, somebody saw a beating take place, didn't
do anything. Somebody saw this, didn't do anything. Somebody was
scared to do this. And just to think that close,
just passing ditty at the scene, it's this. You think
you've heard enough or a lot, or at all, and
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it just keeps coming to this true.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So much of it seems like a movie script. So
much of it, even those near misses or those missed
opportunities that allowed this to continue for years and years
and years, all feels like the movie, like a movie script,
like almost almost almost. And yet not until the very end,
not until Cassie filed her lawsuit, did any of this
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come to light.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
On the movie thing. Isn't this the point of the
movie where you're screaming at the screen. He's in the.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Car, Yes, so you just oh my gosh, so close,
so close. Yeah, But we're hearing it all play out
in court, and it really is as riveting as a
movie script and as devastating, and it's it is a
horror movie, truly, I mean, it really is. It feels
like a horror movie, and it is. It was life
for so many people who were in this inner circle
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of Sean Diddy Combs. According to their testimony.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And the officer said, nobody ever said anything to him
about Diddy. Nobody said anything about theft. It was only
to investigate trespassing and that was the end of it,
and they went about their day. Now, the other person
who was up on the stand was a fire investigator
and arson investigator who checked out the fire in Kid
Cutty's car, the porst that had the molotov cocktail in it. Now,
this was when things got a little interesting, because, yes,
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the defense at one point during this man's testimony moved
for mistrial. They wanted to end this thing yesterday because
of this guy's testimony. We were talking about Lanceamenez, he's
an LA fire investigator in Robes. He got up and
he mentioned something and I think he was just answering
the question having to do what There were fingerprints that
were found at kid Cutty's car. They piecing together, of
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course through testimony, that they believe that Diddy had something
to do with it. That's never been proven. Fine, but
the fire investigator said, we found fingerprints, but those were
later destroyed. That is what prompted defense attorneys to speak up.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yes, they said it implied that Ditty had so much
reach and so much power that he was able to
somehow have those fingerprints destroyed. But there were partial fingerprints,
and of course we should mention. The judge said, no,
that did nothing. They did this outside of the juror's attention.
They had a sidebar, and the judge said, no, this
is not in any way incriminating your client, and the
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jury has not been tainted, and we're going to proceed.
The estimony continued, and I thought it was really interesting
when Detective Jimenez talked about that the fingerprints, the partial fingerprints,
I think they were able to say it was for
a woman, for a female. We know that Caricorn, Capricorn
Clark was there. So then of course Diddy's defense team
(07:17):
went really full tilt on that one and tried to
lean in on the fact that the fingerprints were possibly
female not male.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Look, they had no this is another crime that they
had no suspect. They had no witness to come forward
and say who they thought the suspect was. Because the
two people mainly involved in this, Cassie Ventura, kid Cutty
and Capricorn Clark, none of them made a police report
accusing him of anything of the sort. His name never
came up, and in fact, Cassie and Capricorn, this fire
(07:47):
investigator said he called repeatedly trying to get in touch
with him in Robes. This again nobody want They would
not call him back, they would not take his call.
And this goes to fear that they say so many
people felt about that.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Part of his testimony blew me away that here is
a detective with the law trying to figure out why
Kid Cutty's car blew up with a he said, a
poorly constructed Molotov cocktail. And we know now that we
heard Cassie Ventura testify that Sean Ditty Combs threatened to
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blow up Kid Cutty's car, and then, sure enough, a
short time later, Kid Cutty's car blows up. So we
only hear this after the fact. But yes, when this
buyer investigator is trying to figure out how this happened,
no one would talk to him, to the point where
he said Capricorn's brother finally answered her phone and said
leave her alone. It was very clear that no one
who actually knew what happened had any intention of talking
(08:47):
about what happened incriminating Ditty in any way. And as
you point out, fearful to do so, to even take
an officer's phone call. They wouldn't even answer the phone
that speaks volumes.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
We keep using that. We kept saying, Molotov cocktail, Molotov cocktail,
and if you're familiar, it's essentially a bottle with whatever accelerating, aacoline, alcohol, whatever,
and then you stick a rag in the top, you
light it, then you toss the thing, and when you
toss it, of course something is on fire. But then
the fluid that's in there spreads with the flame and
(09:31):
it causes more destruction. This officer robe said this was
a crappy Molotov cocktail. Somebody didn't understand the concept, because
sure enough, they cut a hole in the top of
his car, but it was kind of just placed in there.
It didn't break.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yes, if it breaks open, then the fuel whatever it is,
spreads and there's a huge fire. They said it honestly.
The car was so close to his home that if
they had done it correctly, not only would his car
have blown up, but his house most likely would have
caught fire as well. And I thought it was also
interesting when they just described with the Molotov cocktail looked
like it was an old English bottle, gasoline and a
designer handkerchief, a silk designer handkerchief.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So you can hear like Chris Rock making a joke
about how that obviously we're.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Gonna throw away or blow up a designer handkerchief. You
know how much those things cost?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I do, actually, because I only have one but old
English oh E malt liquor. This is some old school
hood stuff. Oh have you ever had?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I have never had. I didn't even know it was
referred to as O E.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
E yes malt licka.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Do you think he was honestly with that, almost leaving
a signature oh E with a designer handkerchief. It's like,
f you love ditty. I feel like that's what that said.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Again, we get the implications here, and we are making
a little light of the oe bottle and a designer
a handkerchief, But this was absolutely a somebody was And
what the most more and the more violent thing.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
They cut a hole in the Porsche. They cut a
hole in the top to get this in there, but
again they placed it so it was just sitting in there.
Gent At least a lot of people at this point
have seen a lot of the.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
You throw a Molotov cocktail, do you not usually, Oh yeah,
so he can break it. You want it to break, Yes,
it needs to break.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
But the video we have seen in the pictures of
his car don't go with a lot of the words
being used in some of the covers say his car
blew up or his car was there was a bombing
of some kind, because it just looked like it's charred
in places.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
That's why maybe this is total conjecture and my just
uninformed opinion to go for it. I'm going to say it.
But maybe he didn't want the whole car to blow it.
Maybe he wanted it to be a warning and he
wanted it to know that that was from him, based
on how he wanted the evidence of the Molotov cocktail
to stay intact so that Cuddy would know it was him.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
That's one theory. I don't subscribe to it.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
But that's some fun.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
It's a poor what just a bad idea, you know what.
It sounds like something you didn't think through, you didn't
plan it. He called it a makeshift bomb of it
was something that the officer said. It just it was
not well done and it wasn't well executed. But thank
goodness said it wasn't. Then everybody ended up okay there
those two were up first on the day, but then Robes,
(12:17):
the one we'd been hearing about talking about. They actually
expected to get to four witnesses yesterday and they actually
only got to three because Deontay Nash. They had him
up on the stand for quite a while. And this
is a celeberty stylist who by all accounts, he was
a character if you will, He had a personality on
the stand, but he made clear when he got up there,
(12:38):
I don't want to be here.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yes, one news outlet referred to him as cheeky, which
I think was appropriate. But yes, he was asked if
he was going to sue Diddy and he said no,
I'm focused on getting out of here as an out
of court. He didn't want to be there, and it
was very clear. And by that, with so many of
these witnesses who have been compelled to testify, you can
(13:00):
tell that they're not there for revenge. They're not there
to see Diddy go down. They're there almost against their will.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, who was the I can't remember her name right now.
It was Cassie's former best friend who she said, did
he assaulted her and she lost her best friend over it,
because yes, her best friend essentially didn't shut her out,
but didn't stand up for her during that. That was
another young lady who said, I don't want to be here.
I want these people out of my life and out
of this world. And I've been working like she's she's
(13:30):
years removed from this. I don't want to be back here.
That is a theme. Folks don't want anything to do
with this world. We've been hearing so much.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It was so awful, and they don't want to return
to it, and I'm imagining a lot of them don't
want to remember it. But Deontae Nash did recall so
many memories of personally witnessing Cassie being kicked, talk about
dragged by the hair, and the one that the one
instance that he described was just so awful. She was
(13:58):
asleep on the couch and he was in the hotel
room with her and apparently she wasn't answering her phone
and it made him so angry. When he rushed into
the hotel room, he immediately just started, according to Deontay Nash,
just beating her and she ended up with a gash
on her head. So deep from hitting the headboard from
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being hit that he wanted to call nine one one,
he said. But that is when Diddy said, no, I'll
just take her to my personal plastic surgeon. And he
saw her the next day with stitches on her head.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
That's where we talk about this again. This is at
least two people now who are who witness what they
describe at least as something that will get you years
in prison, and nobody called or stepped in or made
a change and continued working with this man. It's hard
to get your head around if you're on the outside
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like us rogues. But people are telling these stories just
how trapped they felt, and it's painting a picture of
a world that quite frankly, I would argue, as a
kid in the nineties, we all wanted to be a
part of that world. It all looked so glamorous from
the outside. We all rooted for Diddy, we were all
just I mean, I remember the first time I met Diddy.
I was so I was over the moon, and I'm
(15:15):
talking I was a grown man. I'm thought I was
forty years old or something, and I'm still just in
awe and to think, like wow, we all just watch it.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
It makes you feel six to your stomach, doesn't it, because.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
We all seem to be a part of it. And
to some degree, obviously.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
He but you didn't know what you didn't know? And
the sad thing is the people who were seeing testified
didn't know, and for whatever reason, they didn't do anything
about it. This one, this really stood out to me.
What Deontay testified to He said that moment where she
got the gash on her head, and there was he said,
there was blood everywhere. Obviously heads bleed a lot. And
what did did he say when that happened? He looked
(15:49):
at Deontay, Nash and Cassie and said, look what y'all
made me do? Is that not a classic line of
an abuser? Look what you made me do? Taking zero
responsibility and blaming the victim and blaming the people who
loved her. That is horrific.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
What was the one part of the story as well?
He said this was he said, a switch kind of
flipped with ditty. And we've heard several witnesses testified who
said they saw him being violent, or at least they
keep using the word rage. There's a rage in him.
And Nasher was describing this moment before he said, look
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what y'all made me do? He said he turned into
a different person and completely calmed when he saw the blood.
He said, he was a totally different guy. And it's
like a switch just flipped at that moment when he
saw blood everywhere. But I think Cassi, even to her,
she's been to her fine and testified about it as well,
saying that was a moment that just blackened his eyes,
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like she didn't recognize who he was.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
That's scary. That is wild, very scary. And another thing
that was just so heartbreaking. And we've used that word
so much when talking about the testimony that we've been
hearing in this trial. But when Deontay talked about how
did he forced him to take him to the hotel
where Cassie was hiding from him.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
He can I bag up on the story. So I
have notes here and I actually put them out of order.
So this goes that the conclusion to this story you
were about to give is the part that sinks your
heart once again. But this was a time where he
was once again looking for Cassie. Cassie ends up in
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this incident at his house. He takes her from his
house because he got a heads up that did he
was on the way looking for Cassie. He takes Cassie
in a car from his house to Sunset Boulevard, just
drops off, like, go tell her to go Scared. They
both like, you're planning an escape from somebody.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You're dropping someone off in the middle of a massive
busy road and just say figure it out. But you're
safer here than you are with me or anywhere near him.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Oh yes, Diddy ends up coming over, but she's not
there at that point, says looked. He looked in the oven.
He looked up and down. That sounds like a crazy person.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
He looked in the oven. Like closets too, But okay,
I can understand why he would look in a closet.
But like the fact that you're searching for someone who
is clearly hiding from you is sad and scary all
in one. But yeah, he looked in the oven.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
But from this incident, they end up like you were
going here, They go to the hotel. So all this
is going on, Nash ends up getting forced to take
Ditty to the hotel where Cassie's hiding out. Sins Nash
and a security guard upstairs to get Cassie who was
up there hiding out. And this is where it just
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go Jesus, this puts you in a to try to
understand where her head was, where her heart was, where
she was in life? Is this story?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Oh it's hard to even repeat what she did. But
when he got up, when Deanta gets up into the
hotel room and he's supposed to bring her back down
to Ditty waiting in the car, he said that she
was in the balcony. She was walking towards it, and
she said she wanted to go over the balcony, and
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he was sure she was going to harm herself. She
was going to jump off the balcony of that hotel
room rather than go back downstairs with him and get
in the car with Ditty.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
There was someone else who was it else that I
think she spoke of it at the time. She wanted
to just walk out into traffic.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
There was another time a friend of hers said that
after Ditty had assaulted her, Cassie was at her house
and she was just sitting on the couch. Diddy was
banging on the door just violently. Everybody else was freaking out.
Cassie was sitting on the couch calmly while was going on,
and her friend said, I don't think she cared if
she lived or died. Yeah, these are three stories that
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seemed fairly consistent if you will, with a woman who
just wanted to.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Give up, well she was. You wouldn't get to that
place or have those thoughts unless you were searching for relief,
and that sounded better. Death sounded better than dealing with
the hell she was living in. And that is just
awful and horrific, and it's just one of the saddest
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things I've ever heard. Just you can try to put
yourself in her position and imagine how hopeless and how
trapped you must feel to think that was the only
way out. And you know a lot of this and
this is what Deontay testified to as well. So much
of this was about blackmail because people say just leave,
people say, but Diddy, he heard Didty threaten to release
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those explicit videos of her during freak offs, And it
wasn't just about even releasing it to the public. He
specifically told her The first place this is, according to Deontay,
that Diddy would send those explicit videos to would be
the places where her parents worked to make sure her
parents were fired. And a Milids, that's so personal, that's
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so scary, and you can see where you would feel
like I'll do anything to make sure that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
That's that's a that's a low. That's a coal coal
threat to make to somebody. I almost send this to you, Yeah,
all of us. You remember people telling you don't do
anything that you wouldn't want on the front page of
the New York Times, right, don't ever do anything. I
guess we probably failed in that advice. My point is
still here being there is nothing and no one you
(21:32):
would want to protect your foolishness from than your parents.
And you would never want your parents to be publicly
humiliated by something you do, but you would never want
them to see you doing your worst, your dirt, your whatever.
To that type of that threat you talk about giving
you chills. That's a threat that just sounds It.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Was so evil. It sounds evil. This is what it sounds.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It sounds evil.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
And you know what Deontae also, this is part of
what the prosecution's case was, and he's certainly testified into
proving this that Cassie didn't want and he heard and
witnessed Cassie not wanting to participate in the freak offs.
She was at her own birthday party and instead of
going out karaokeing with her friends. He personally saw her
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being you know, pushed, forced, coerced, whatever you want to
use to come with Diddy instead to a freak off,
and she told him she didn't want to go. She
told Deonte she didn't want to go, So he personally
witnessed her trying to refuse these freak offs and ultimately
feeling as though, for whatever reason, whether it was the
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threat of the tapes or a threat of violence, she
would eventually just say yes.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Can we in on some good news? We haven't we
haven't done this yet right in all these updates, we
will continue to post these, but this, this is the
good news from this week. Cassie is now a mom
of three. Cassie even Toura Fine did give birth on Tuesday.
We found out, I guess we got confirmation of it.
(23:14):
Rose the court did. At least the update from Deontay Nash.
They are that close of friends. He actually called her,
he said, in the hospital the previous day, and she
did have her baby. I didn't see all the details
you just found them.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yes, NBC News is reporting that Cassie Ventura Fine and
her husband Alex are now proud parents to a little boy.
And that's super sweet because they already have two daughters, Frankie,
who is five and Sonny, who is four. I love
those names. We don't have the name yet of the boy,
but it is confirmed that she gave birth to a
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healthy baby boy. And that's pretty remarkable when you think
about where she was just a week and a half
ago on that witness stand and the fact that she
was able to emotionally and frankly physically handle reliving what
seems like an unthinkable hell scape to any one of
us in front of the world. You know what the
world is listening.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
What do they recommend? Do they tell women to avoid
stressed with the situation?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Polutely, You're not supposed to fly even after eight months.
You're not supposed to do anything strenuous after eight months
physically or emotionally. You're supposed to stay pampered and peaceful
as much as you can for the health of yourself
and the health of your baby. So that, to me,
that was a herculean effort and remarkable that she was
on that witness stand for as long as she was
talking about what she was talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
You know what, this is a human moment I wanted
to take. We talked about it this morning, Robes. But
so many of us have been referring to a Cassie Ventura,
a Cassie Ventura, a Cassie Ventura. Sometimes people use the
last name just save Ventura. I have at times been
saying Cassie because that's what she went by when she
was an artist, and it just kind of flows out.
But Deontay Nash reminded us all with just a simple
(24:58):
correction to a defense attorn that she is more than
an artist, she is more than a victim, and those
aren't even the things we should lead with. She is
a human being. She is a woman, and she is
a mother, and she is a wife. And so I
thought it was cool. I don't think the defense attorney
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was making much of a point. He was just saying
something and referred to her as miss miss Cassieventura, and
he corrected her and said missus fine. I thought that
was just somebody could take it as Oh, what's the
big deal, Why did he even have to do that?
Do you have to be a smart ass. I just
those little moments that we forget that people are just
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like the folks we are sitting across the table from
right now, or your family. They seem larger than life.
They're not just icons or musicians. Anytime you label somebody
like that, it makes it so much easier to call
them by a name or insult them. But if you
remember she is missus, fine wife and mother, it helps.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
It was a powerful moment. I appreciated it as well.
And by the way, Nash is actually on the stand
right now as we are recording this. He is going
to finish up his testimony and then we are expecting
later today. Mia, that is what she's being called, but
she is also known as Victim number four. She is
going to remain anonymous, but it appears she is another
(26:24):
employee who witnessed a lot and I believe she was
in that hotel room with Deontey Nash when that big
gash happened and all that blood was everywhere. So we
are going to hear a lot more from Mia, and
we will of course keep you updated on all of
that in tomorrow's episode.
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