July 2, 2025 • 20 mins
Diddy remains behind bars tonight even though he was acquitted on the three most serious charges! Amy and T.J. go over the judges’ reasoning for keeping Diddy in custody while the former rap mogul faces a far less daunting prison sentence after today’s bombshell verdict!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, July second, and Sean
Diddy Combs is not going home after all, at least
not yet, after what was a wild, at times bizarre,
at times emotional, at times surprising, at times explosive final
day of the Diddy trial. Bottom line, did he one?
(00:26):
Welcome everybody to this Diddy update episode of Amy and
TJ Ropes. I cannot believe we are here. The trial
is over mixed verdict, but it's clear who won this thing.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Well, you said did he one? But I would say
he partially WONO.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I gotta hear this because yes, yes, he obviously evaded
the most punitive and the harshest counts against him, and
so he avoided life in prison. So yes, for that alone.
Of course, his freedom is coming. But a lot of
folks thought, and including you, thought that he might actually
(01:04):
be on his private plane tonight, flying back to Miami
or wherever he wanted to go, with.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
A few conditions attached to that bail.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
But he was denied bail, and right now his sentencing
hearing this could be moved up a little bit, but
right now it is scheduled for the fall October third,
so he's still behind bars.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
He lost his bail hearing. He won his trial today,
he won flat out. I would love to see any lawyer,
any analyst get on TV and try to spin this
any other way than total humiliation for the government, a
total loss by the government, and some will tell you
a total waste of time by the government in overcharging
this man. They can have that argument down the road.
(01:45):
But he racketeering, not guilty. That was life in prison,
the two counts that came with minimum fifteen years. Not
guilty sex trafficking. He has now been found guilty of
being a john. He has been found guilty of paying
for a prostitute, and he could possibly get two years
(02:07):
in jail or less.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That is correct. Absolutely, you are correct.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
However, the reason why he was denied bail because a
lot in to your point.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
He was convicted of being a john.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
That would not normally be a conviction in which somebody
would be held or denied bail until a sentencing hearing happened.
But because of the domestic violence that he clearly admitted
to that the defense absolutely capt to, because the judge
said that he has a propensity for violence behind closed doors,
and there were two victim or at least witness statements
(02:41):
to the judge asking to keep him behind bars until
his sentencing. That is why he is still behind bars
tonight and until his sentencing.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, Cassif interrefined as part of the reason he is
still behind bars tonight. She is one of the folks
who sent a letter to the judge making a case
for why he should be denied bail. He should not
be released while awaiting awaiting sentencing. So, if we go back,
it started this morning. You got the no news. I
know everybody got the alerts, but this was around eleven
(03:10):
o'clock eleven this morning. The jury sends a note we
have a verdict. The jury eventually comes in, the verdicts
get read. We knew four were already settled. We knew
racketeering was the problem. But lo and behold rope. Sure enough,
they must have figured it out. We were told people
were unpersuadable.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
You know what, isn't that so interesting? Because yes, we
were conjecturing last night. We're like, is he guilty on
some of the charges, and they're trying to figure out racketeering?
Is he guilty on all of the charges. We figured
there had to be some guilty verdicts in there. We
just weren't sure which was which. That made the most
sense for them to be confused about racketeering. But it
is remarkable that they could go from actually just initially
(03:48):
deliberating for sixty minute, an hour, seventy minutes saying this
one juror will not budge, they will not move, and
then after the second day saying we can't come up
with a unanimous decision.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
The deliberation has stopped. People are unmovable.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
And yet somehow when you ask a juri to go
back and to keep trying, they do.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And wow, I was impressed that that quickly.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
They all reached unanimous verdicts on all five clouds.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So they were movable. Somebody was movable, exactly the word
they they were ready to They actually told the judge
the day before. It was pointless. They didn't even need
to keep deliberating because nobody's going to change their mind on.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
To night's sleep changes a lot of folks minds and
disposition sometimes, right, So.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
We get that word so here it is so the reaction,
at least the reaction we were. Yes, we were able
to read through some of the notes from people who
were in the room describing what happened. But this might
have been the most valuable courtroom artist sketch I have
seen for the whole trial.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It was incredible.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
It showed Ditty on his knees in praying position, and
that was pretty remark well. That was the emotion that
he was experiencing as he was awaiting these verdicts coming down.
I mean, I just so many of us tried to
imagine what it would have been like for him, for
(05:13):
his family members, knowing that verdicts were in, that they
hadn't been announced, that they were waiting on this final,
most important, most serious charge, and when the news came
in that they had unanimous decisions, he fell to his
knees in prayer.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That was a very powerful sketch.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And applause in the courtroom from his family, and you
better believe those cheers erupted. And it makes sense that
they would look every judge, and I know you've been
in plenty of court rooms. I think I would say
fifty to fifty and seeing whether or not the folks
in the courtroom obeyed the judge when he says, now,
when the verdict is read, I do not want any
reactions from either side, and sure enough it gets blown
(05:53):
out of the water. It's never the case. But yeah,
you can imagine the eruption of emotion because they knew
when they heard it what they were hearing, and they
knew that did he had won won that trial. Absolutely,
he lost his bail hearing. Again, Look, there was a
high bar. Remember he put up his fifty million dollar house,
twenty four hour security, all these things he offered, and
the judge wouldn't let him be out on bail awaiting trial.
(06:17):
During the trial, so this judge is essentially saying, you know,
you haven't proven that you're any less of a flight risk.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Nothing changed.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And he also said even when did he knew he
was under investigation, that there was still that admission of
domestic violence while he was waiting to see if he
was going to be arrested in charge, but he knew
he was being investigated. And he pointed out to the
point of the fact that Jane even testified to this
and did he did not deny physically assaulting her.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
While he knew he was being investigated.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
So that was part of the reason why the judge said, no,
your bail is denied. But even his mother, his sister,
his eldest daughter, actually put up a million dollars bond.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
They signed it.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
They said he would only travel to four states Florida, California,
New Jersey, and New York. They said he would surrender
his passport. They really did everything they could to try
and compel the judge to allow him to await sentencing
at home until he was then sentenced.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And the sentencing.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Actually came down quite a bit because we heard initially
from Komy from the prosecution saying they were going to
ask for twenty years. That changed pretty quickly, which is
interesting throughout the day.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, because you probably went and opened up that legal
book and saw what they were looking at and saw
what the guidelines were. And so I don't have the
months and you haven't had it frown yet, but they
have the And the judge said this, like the defense prosecution,
y'all are so far off yea on what y'all want.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, they wanted twenty years. Then they amended it to this.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
The prosecution is asking for fifty one to sixty three
months in terms of sentencing, so that's anywhere from.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Four to five years roughly.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
The defense is asking for twenty one to twenty seven months,
so just shot, Yeah, just shy of two years to
two years in three months.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So if you take do the twenty one months, say
they want to send him to twenty one months, you
know what that is? One year time served is nine months.
It counts against the sentence. He's already served nine months in.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Rail, so that's another year behind bars.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, that's all they would be. Let's say he got
twenty one months, nine months of that is time served?
Did he is gonna go away for one year and
be back after all this? Possibly not. We don't know
what the judge you're gonna do, but it's just it
is fascinating to see what the possibilities now are. I
(08:49):
guess we should explain to folks what was going on
with us today. We actually live very close by to
where the trial takes place. We've talked about this plenty.
If you listen to any of our podcasts, you know this.
So we live, what are we a few blocks away
from where the trial is happening. We've been following this
thing closely every single day, doing at least one ditty update,
(09:12):
sometimes doing two. I mean because it's warned it and
sure enough the verdict comes down. You know where we were.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
At JFK and.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Then thirty thousand feet in the air with no Wi Fi.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yes, and so this we have actually a family vacation
with all of our daughters that has been planned for months,
months before.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
We even knew that the Ditty trial was going to
be what it was.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That we'd be covering it and the way we were,
and Murphy's Law would have it so that the very
day this trial we've been following so closely, where all
of the decisions are made, the verdicts come down, the
bail is either granted or denied. We are stuck without
any service, without any Wi Fi and no oh wait,
(10:00):
so we were the last people to know actually what.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Probably were We were probably the last certainly the sentencing.
I was losing it as we were laying and nobody
was getting Wi Fi. I was snatching your phone. I
was snatching Sabine's phone. Somebody, does anybody get this to work?
But it's just how it happens. But I rose, I say,
we live a couple blocks away. We probably would have
walked over today. But seeing this is something we haven't
(10:24):
talked about, is the what's described is pretty wild scene
outside the courthouse today, wild involving arguments evolving yelling and
screaming and baby oil in all kinds of food.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, you hear.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
About baby oil being like thrown at different people and squirted,
and given all of the testimony that we heard, you
could think maybe it was in jest.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Or I don't want to say it was playful, but
you could think maybe it.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Was just people expressing themselves and using certain props that
were pertinent to the trial. But no, this was described
as mean spirited, as anger, as volatile, as not. Honestly,
I say, we probably would have gone down there and
just observed, but it didn't sound like a scene anyone
(11:10):
wanted to be near. In fact, we actually on our
way to the airport, we were driving what was it
six point thirty in the morning, It was already a
zoo out there. All the media attempts were packed, all
of the influencers and YouTubers and all the folks who
have come on to describe and be kind of novice journalists.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
They're just describing the thing. We had all just swarmed
that area.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
It was fascinating to see as we were driving through it,
and then to see what it's turned into. This afternoon,
given the verdict and given the sentencing is wild, and what.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Will they do now? I am sure as we speak
it's possible juror interviews have already been secured, but they're coming,
and folks are chasing those folks down. The judge did
encourage the jury today before he let them go. You
can do an interview if you want to. You're certainly
not obligated. You can say no to all of them.
(12:05):
But he encouraged them to not talk about the deliberations.
What happens in that juror room should stay there. He
reminded them of that.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Is that in part because obviously there were.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Juror issues throughout this trial, not as significant as we've
seen in other trials, but certainly there were juror issues.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
And that is.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Always possibly a way for the defense to ask for
an appeal based on certain things that may or may
not have gone on during those deliberations. If jurors are
talking about it, that could also lend itself to create
certain issues within either party, but the defense specifically to
ask for an appeal. And now, granted you said that
(12:45):
he won, but he still was convicted of two charges,
and if those two charges.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Went away, he wouldn't have to spend any time at prison.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Are you still pushing back on the notion that Sean
did he Combs won today?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Oh, of course, this was almost best case scenario.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Obviously, an acquittal on all charges would have been a
full victory.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Goodness, I have no if he got convicted on just
one of the accounts of prostitution, for transportation for prostitution,
maybe that was there is nothing. This is unbelievable. This
is a massive Yes, it's a massive victory for this man.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
It is.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
It absolutely is. And look the overcharging what needs to happen,
look like I guess they think they're doing what's best.
I guess they think they're putting a monster in prison
for the rest of his life, a mobster, the CEO
of a criminal enterprise. You have to think they had
they were doing this in good faith. You want to
(13:46):
think that. But we've been talking about this Ropes for
the past few weeks. Our conversations have been about this thing, like, Wow, really,
this is what the case spoils down to. And if
I had to sit on that jury saying I gotta
send a man a jail for the rest of his life,
for being a criminal enterprise CEO.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Well, the puzzling thing is if you're a juror, or
if you're just a spectator like us and you're just
watching this from afar, if you know he committed crimes
that are irrefutably evidenced and he's even admitting them, but
you choose not to charge him with those crimes because
you try to go after some bigger fish, You try
(14:26):
to create some larger, bigger, trumped up charge. That's where
you lose the confidence of people, of jurors, of humans
who are witnessing this. I think everyone can say he
did not treat women well, he was abusive, he did
commit criminal acts, charge him with those. Why then try
(14:49):
to go make some bigger case to put him behind
bars for the rest of his life when clearly he
could have been charged and convicted and he even says
he would have admitted and please he did guilty to
the charges that he did, I mean the crimes that
he did commit. And I think that's an issue that
a lot of folks are going to talk about, and
it's already being talked about among legal experts that the
(15:10):
prosecution overreached and this blew back in their faces because
of it.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
He's an abuser that they tried to convince us was
a racketeer and it just didn't make sense to us
intellectually and legally. But it just that's tough, and that's
a very tough day for the prosecution to go through
all this. Who knows how many millions this costs those raids.
That's a lot of police time and investigation time and
(15:37):
trial for this. And look, this is difficult because we've
seen him behave badly. People want him to be in
prison for what he did, but they actually don't want
him to go to prison for racketeering and sex trafficking
and all this. It's a bizarre thing that you look
(16:00):
get this result and it's a win and a loss
no matter who you are.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yes, I mean, obviously there are plenty of victims advocacy
groups stepping up and speaking out and saying this has
done such a disservice to victims around the world who
are sex trafficked, who are abused, whatever. So in a
weird way, yes, I hear what you're saying. The Diddy won,
(16:28):
but so many people lost, and I do think a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Of it is because the prosecution overreached.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
You know what, who And again when you say lost,
is do they turn that anger to ditty or where
should it be directed? We're not going after him for
the right thing for why'd you overcharge him here? I
don't who knows about that? But here's my wild card
(16:55):
now for you Trump, Trump, with Trump now not mined
at all. Pardoning a guy who's found guilty of hiring a.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Prostitute, I don't know, it's a worthy question.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
That's a much different pardon. Trump would love to be
in the middle of the story right now.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Who knows it? Could?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
You know, with everything that's happened in this case, it
would not surprise me if Trump jumped into the mix
of all of this. But you know what, as much
as we've been covering this, and yes, technically the trial
is over, the verdicts have been handed down, but we're
still awaiting sentencing that he is still behind bars, and
who knows how quickly the defense can expedite the sentencing
(17:42):
because they said that they obviously would, and it's the
judge said he's open to hearing that inquiry by the
defense to get this sentencing over with so that he
can continue. He's obviously serving his time regardless, so he's
getting credit for time served. But yeah, a year from now,
A year from now, did he could be a free
(18:04):
man again.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
We await the sentencing hearing. I had one more thing.
I guess we'll go ahead, right, well, the jurors.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
The jurors are the other thing.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Like I think, the second we start hearing from jurors,
we'll jump back on this because I actually, personally, on
a human level, cannot wait to hear who is willing
to talk and what they're willing to tell us about
their feelings about what they heard, what they witnessed, what
they thought, And I.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Cannot wait to hear what they have to say.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
And of course, once we get any of that kind
of information, we will absolutely jump back on and give
you the latest on that.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I remember, I thought it was about the justice system. Okay,
just took another hit. Every time Right Biden said it,
Mayor Adam said it. Trump always says it that the
justice system is unfair, It unfairly goes after people that
they were being right persecuted by the Justices Apartment. It's
being used against them, and all these things and these
(19:01):
high profile folks. Joe Biden partned his son, right talking
about the justice system all these things. So now when
we see this the government just went after this guy,
the jury, the public said, no, that's not okay, that's
a hit for the justice system. That's a hit now
to where everybody can say, well, those charges are false.
You can't believe now in so many instances, well yeah, well,
(19:25):
and government said it must be true.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
And by the way, obviously yes did. He is a
black man. But he is a wealthy, wealthy, wealthy black
man who can hire the best attorneys there are in
this or at least in this country to defend him.
And how many people don't have that, how many people
don't have that sort of resource.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
To that point, it just sucks. It's another hit for
the justice system. He is one of the he's a unicorn.
He is one of the most successful black men we've
ever seen exist in this country. He just and we
witness his rise. He hired institutes and you're a federal
case out of it. That again, it will sit with
the public a certain way that you're still coming after us,
(20:08):
no matter how low on the totem pole or how
high you're coming after us. Unfairly, the Justice Department, yes,
lost today that's all I got.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
All right, Well, we will continue to follow any developments
that come out of this case.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Again, yes, when we start hearing from jurors, we will.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Jump back on. But in the meantime, y'all thank you
for listening to us. We hope you have a wonderful
day today, and yeah, just digest everything that happened in
Lower Manhattan today.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
I'm Amy robot on behalf of my partner T. J.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Holmes.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Have a great Wednesday, everybody,
Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, July second, and Sean
Diddy Combs is not going home after all, at least
not yet, after what was a wild, at times bizarre,
at times emotional, at times surprising, at times explosive final
day of the Diddy trial. Bottom line, did he one?
(00:26):
Welcome everybody to this Diddy update episode of Amy and
TJ Ropes. I cannot believe we are here. The trial
is over mixed verdict, but it's clear who won this thing.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Well, you said did he one? But I would say
he partially WONO.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I gotta hear this because yes, yes, he obviously evaded
the most punitive and the harshest counts against him, and
so he avoided life in prison. So yes, for that alone.
Of course, his freedom is coming. But a lot of
folks thought, and including you, thought that he might actually
(01:04):
be on his private plane tonight, flying back to Miami
or wherever he wanted to go, with.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
A few conditions attached to that bail.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
But he was denied bail, and right now his sentencing
hearing this could be moved up a little bit, but
right now it is scheduled for the fall October third,
so he's still behind bars.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
He lost his bail hearing. He won his trial today,
he won flat out. I would love to see any lawyer,
any analyst get on TV and try to spin this
any other way than total humiliation for the government, a
total loss by the government, and some will tell you
a total waste of time by the government in overcharging
this man. They can have that argument down the road.
(01:45):
But he racketeering, not guilty. That was life in prison,
the two counts that came with minimum fifteen years. Not
guilty sex trafficking. He has now been found guilty of
being a john. He has been found guilty of paying
for a prostitute, and he could possibly get two years
(02:07):
in jail or less.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That is correct. Absolutely, you are correct.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
However, the reason why he was denied bail because a
lot in to your point.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
He was convicted of being a john.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
That would not normally be a conviction in which somebody
would be held or denied bail until a sentencing hearing happened.
But because of the domestic violence that he clearly admitted
to that the defense absolutely capt to, because the judge
said that he has a propensity for violence behind closed doors,
and there were two victim or at least witness statements
(02:41):
to the judge asking to keep him behind bars until
his sentencing. That is why he is still behind bars
tonight and until his sentencing.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, Cassif interrefined as part of the reason he is
still behind bars tonight. She is one of the folks
who sent a letter to the judge making a case
for why he should be denied bail. He should not
be released while awaiting awaiting sentencing. So, if we go back,
it started this morning. You got the no news. I
know everybody got the alerts, but this was around eleven
(03:10):
o'clock eleven this morning. The jury sends a note we
have a verdict. The jury eventually comes in, the verdicts
get read. We knew four were already settled. We knew
racketeering was the problem. But lo and behold rope. Sure enough,
they must have figured it out. We were told people
were unpersuadable.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
You know what, isn't that so interesting? Because yes, we
were conjecturing last night. We're like, is he guilty on
some of the charges, and they're trying to figure out racketeering?
Is he guilty on all of the charges. We figured
there had to be some guilty verdicts in there. We
just weren't sure which was which. That made the most
sense for them to be confused about racketeering. But it
is remarkable that they could go from actually just initially
(03:48):
deliberating for sixty minute, an hour, seventy minutes saying this
one juror will not budge, they will not move, and
then after the second day saying we can't come up
with a unanimous decision.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
The deliberation has stopped. People are unmovable.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
And yet somehow when you ask a juri to go
back and to keep trying, they do.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And wow, I was impressed that that quickly.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
They all reached unanimous verdicts on all five clouds.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So they were movable. Somebody was movable, exactly the word
they they were ready to They actually told the judge
the day before. It was pointless. They didn't even need
to keep deliberating because nobody's going to change their mind on.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
To night's sleep changes a lot of folks minds and
disposition sometimes, right, So.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
We get that word so here it is so the reaction,
at least the reaction we were. Yes, we were able
to read through some of the notes from people who
were in the room describing what happened. But this might
have been the most valuable courtroom artist sketch I have
seen for the whole trial.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It was incredible.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
It showed Ditty on his knees in praying position, and
that was pretty remark well. That was the emotion that
he was experiencing as he was awaiting these verdicts coming down.
I mean, I just so many of us tried to
imagine what it would have been like for him, for
(05:13):
his family members, knowing that verdicts were in, that they
hadn't been announced, that they were waiting on this final,
most important, most serious charge, and when the news came
in that they had unanimous decisions, he fell to his
knees in prayer.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That was a very powerful sketch.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And applause in the courtroom from his family, and you
better believe those cheers erupted. And it makes sense that
they would look every judge, and I know you've been
in plenty of court rooms. I think I would say
fifty to fifty and seeing whether or not the folks
in the courtroom obeyed the judge when he says, now,
when the verdict is read, I do not want any
reactions from either side, and sure enough it gets blown
(05:53):
out of the water. It's never the case. But yeah,
you can imagine the eruption of emotion because they knew
when they heard it what they were hearing, and they
knew that did he had won won that trial. Absolutely,
he lost his bail hearing. Again, Look, there was a
high bar. Remember he put up his fifty million dollar house,
twenty four hour security, all these things he offered, and
the judge wouldn't let him be out on bail awaiting trial.
(06:17):
During the trial, so this judge is essentially saying, you know,
you haven't proven that you're any less of a flight risk.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Nothing changed.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And he also said even when did he knew he
was under investigation, that there was still that admission of
domestic violence while he was waiting to see if he
was going to be arrested in charge, but he knew
he was being investigated. And he pointed out to the
point of the fact that Jane even testified to this
and did he did not deny physically assaulting her.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
While he knew he was being investigated.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
So that was part of the reason why the judge said, no,
your bail is denied. But even his mother, his sister,
his eldest daughter, actually put up a million dollars bond.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
They signed it.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
They said he would only travel to four states Florida, California,
New Jersey, and New York. They said he would surrender
his passport. They really did everything they could to try
and compel the judge to allow him to await sentencing
at home until he was then sentenced.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And the sentencing.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Actually came down quite a bit because we heard initially
from Komy from the prosecution saying they were going to
ask for twenty years. That changed pretty quickly, which is
interesting throughout the day.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, because you probably went and opened up that legal
book and saw what they were looking at and saw
what the guidelines were. And so I don't have the
months and you haven't had it frown yet, but they
have the And the judge said this, like the defense prosecution,
y'all are so far off yea on what y'all want.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, they wanted twenty years. Then they amended it to this.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
The prosecution is asking for fifty one to sixty three
months in terms of sentencing, so that's anywhere from.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Four to five years roughly.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
The defense is asking for twenty one to twenty seven months,
so just shot, Yeah, just shy of two years to
two years in three months.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So if you take do the twenty one months, say
they want to send him to twenty one months, you
know what that is? One year time served is nine months.
It counts against the sentence. He's already served nine months in.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Rail, so that's another year behind bars.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, that's all they would be. Let's say he got
twenty one months, nine months of that is time served?
Did he is gonna go away for one year and
be back after all this? Possibly not. We don't know
what the judge you're gonna do, but it's just it
is fascinating to see what the possibilities now are. I
(08:49):
guess we should explain to folks what was going on
with us today. We actually live very close by to
where the trial takes place. We've talked about this plenty.
If you listen to any of our podcasts, you know this.
So we live, what are we a few blocks away
from where the trial is happening. We've been following this
thing closely every single day, doing at least one ditty update,
(09:12):
sometimes doing two. I mean because it's warned it and
sure enough the verdict comes down. You know where we were.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
At JFK and.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Then thirty thousand feet in the air with no Wi Fi.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yes, and so this we have actually a family vacation
with all of our daughters that has been planned for months,
months before.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
We even knew that the Ditty trial was going to
be what it was.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That we'd be covering it and the way we were,
and Murphy's Law would have it so that the very
day this trial we've been following so closely, where all
of the decisions are made, the verdicts come down, the
bail is either granted or denied. We are stuck without
any service, without any Wi Fi and no oh wait,
(10:00):
so we were the last people to know actually what.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Probably were We were probably the last certainly the sentencing.
I was losing it as we were laying and nobody
was getting Wi Fi. I was snatching your phone. I
was snatching Sabine's phone. Somebody, does anybody get this to work?
But it's just how it happens. But I rose, I say,
we live a couple blocks away. We probably would have
walked over today. But seeing this is something we haven't
(10:24):
talked about, is the what's described is pretty wild scene
outside the courthouse today, wild involving arguments evolving yelling and
screaming and baby oil in all kinds of food.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, you hear.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
About baby oil being like thrown at different people and squirted,
and given all of the testimony that we heard, you
could think maybe it was in jest.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Or I don't want to say it was playful, but
you could think maybe it.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Was just people expressing themselves and using certain props that
were pertinent to the trial. But no, this was described
as mean spirited, as anger, as volatile, as not. Honestly,
I say, we probably would have gone down there and
just observed, but it didn't sound like a scene anyone
(11:10):
wanted to be near. In fact, we actually on our
way to the airport, we were driving what was it
six point thirty in the morning, It was already a
zoo out there. All the media attempts were packed, all
of the influencers and YouTubers and all the folks who
have come on to describe and be kind of novice journalists.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
They're just describing the thing. We had all just swarmed
that area.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
It was fascinating to see as we were driving through it,
and then to see what it's turned into. This afternoon,
given the verdict and given the sentencing is wild, and what.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Will they do now? I am sure as we speak
it's possible juror interviews have already been secured, but they're coming,
and folks are chasing those folks down. The judge did
encourage the jury today before he let them go. You
can do an interview if you want to. You're certainly
not obligated. You can say no to all of them.
(12:05):
But he encouraged them to not talk about the deliberations.
What happens in that juror room should stay there. He
reminded them of that.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Is that in part because obviously there were.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Juror issues throughout this trial, not as significant as we've
seen in other trials, but certainly there were juror issues.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
And that is.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Always possibly a way for the defense to ask for
an appeal based on certain things that may or may
not have gone on during those deliberations. If jurors are
talking about it, that could also lend itself to create
certain issues within either party, but the defense specifically to
ask for an appeal. And now, granted you said that
(12:45):
he won, but he still was convicted of two charges,
and if those two charges.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Went away, he wouldn't have to spend any time at prison.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Are you still pushing back on the notion that Sean
did he Combs won today?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Oh, of course, this was almost best case scenario.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Obviously, an acquittal on all charges would have been a
full victory.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Goodness, I have no if he got convicted on just
one of the accounts of prostitution, for transportation for prostitution,
maybe that was there is nothing. This is unbelievable. This
is a massive Yes, it's a massive victory for this man.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
It is.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
It absolutely is. And look the overcharging what needs to happen,
look like I guess they think they're doing what's best.
I guess they think they're putting a monster in prison
for the rest of his life, a mobster, the CEO
of a criminal enterprise. You have to think they had
they were doing this in good faith. You want to
(13:46):
think that. But we've been talking about this Ropes for
the past few weeks. Our conversations have been about this thing, like, Wow, really,
this is what the case spoils down to. And if
I had to sit on that jury saying I gotta
send a man a jail for the rest of his life,
for being a criminal enterprise CEO.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Well, the puzzling thing is if you're a juror, or
if you're just a spectator like us and you're just
watching this from afar, if you know he committed crimes
that are irrefutably evidenced and he's even admitting them, but
you choose not to charge him with those crimes because
you try to go after some bigger fish, You try
(14:26):
to create some larger, bigger, trumped up charge. That's where
you lose the confidence of people, of jurors, of humans
who are witnessing this. I think everyone can say he
did not treat women well, he was abusive, he did
commit criminal acts, charge him with those. Why then try
(14:49):
to go make some bigger case to put him behind
bars for the rest of his life when clearly he
could have been charged and convicted and he even says
he would have admitted and please he did guilty to
the charges that he did, I mean the crimes that
he did commit. And I think that's an issue that
a lot of folks are going to talk about, and
it's already being talked about among legal experts that the
(15:10):
prosecution overreached and this blew back in their faces because
of it.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
He's an abuser that they tried to convince us was
a racketeer and it just didn't make sense to us
intellectually and legally. But it just that's tough, and that's
a very tough day for the prosecution to go through
all this. Who knows how many millions this costs those raids.
That's a lot of police time and investigation time and
(15:37):
trial for this. And look, this is difficult because we've
seen him behave badly. People want him to be in
prison for what he did, but they actually don't want
him to go to prison for racketeering and sex trafficking
and all this. It's a bizarre thing that you look
(16:00):
get this result and it's a win and a loss
no matter who you are.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yes, I mean, obviously there are plenty of victims advocacy
groups stepping up and speaking out and saying this has
done such a disservice to victims around the world who
are sex trafficked, who are abused, whatever. So in a
weird way, yes, I hear what you're saying. The Diddy won,
(16:28):
but so many people lost, and I do think a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Of it is because the prosecution overreached.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
You know what, who And again when you say lost,
is do they turn that anger to ditty or where
should it be directed? We're not going after him for
the right thing for why'd you overcharge him here? I
don't who knows about that? But here's my wild card
(16:55):
now for you Trump, Trump, with Trump now not mined
at all. Pardoning a guy who's found guilty of hiring a.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Prostitute, I don't know, it's a worthy question.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
That's a much different pardon. Trump would love to be
in the middle of the story right now.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Who knows it? Could?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
You know, with everything that's happened in this case, it
would not surprise me if Trump jumped into the mix
of all of this. But you know what, as much
as we've been covering this, and yes, technically the trial
is over, the verdicts have been handed down, but we're
still awaiting sentencing that he is still behind bars, and
who knows how quickly the defense can expedite the sentencing
(17:42):
because they said that they obviously would, and it's the
judge said he's open to hearing that inquiry by the
defense to get this sentencing over with so that he
can continue. He's obviously serving his time regardless, so he's
getting credit for time served. But yeah, a year from now,
A year from now, did he could be a free
(18:04):
man again.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
We await the sentencing hearing. I had one more thing.
I guess we'll go ahead, right, well, the jurors.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
The jurors are the other thing.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Like I think, the second we start hearing from jurors,
we'll jump back on this because I actually, personally, on
a human level, cannot wait to hear who is willing
to talk and what they're willing to tell us about
their feelings about what they heard, what they witnessed, what
they thought, And I.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Cannot wait to hear what they have to say.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
And of course, once we get any of that kind
of information, we will absolutely jump back on and give
you the latest on that.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I remember, I thought it was about the justice system. Okay,
just took another hit. Every time Right Biden said it,
Mayor Adam said it. Trump always says it that the
justice system is unfair, It unfairly goes after people that
they were being right persecuted by the Justices Apartment. It's
being used against them, and all these things and these
(19:01):
high profile folks. Joe Biden partned his son, right talking
about the justice system all these things. So now when
we see this the government just went after this guy,
the jury, the public said, no, that's not okay, that's
a hit for the justice system. That's a hit now
to where everybody can say, well, those charges are false.
You can't believe now in so many instances, well yeah, well,
(19:25):
and government said it must be true.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
And by the way, obviously yes did. He is a
black man. But he is a wealthy, wealthy, wealthy black
man who can hire the best attorneys there are in
this or at least in this country to defend him.
And how many people don't have that, how many people
don't have that sort of resource.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
To that point, it just sucks. It's another hit for
the justice system. He is one of the he's a unicorn.
He is one of the most successful black men we've
ever seen exist in this country. He just and we
witness his rise. He hired institutes and you're a federal
case out of it. That again, it will sit with
the public a certain way that you're still coming after us,
(20:08):
no matter how low on the totem pole or how
high you're coming after us. Unfairly, the Justice Department, yes,
lost today that's all I got.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
All right, Well, we will continue to follow any developments
that come out of this case.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Again, yes, when we start hearing from jurors, we will.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Jump back on. But in the meantime, y'all thank you
for listening to us. We hope you have a wonderful
day today, and yeah, just digest everything that happened in
Lower Manhattan today.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
I'm Amy robot on behalf of my partner T. J.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Holmes.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Have a great Wednesday, everybody,
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