Especifismo Ft. Saint Andrew

Saint Andrew comes on to talk about especifismo, platformism, and how they can apply to current struggles.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome everyone to the It Could Happen Here podcast. My
name is said Andrew, and I'll be your host as
we talk about politics stuff with me today is Garrison Hello,
and Christopher Hello, and Sufie him. And today we will

(00:26):
be tackling or rather we'll be taking a trip to
the anarchist activism in Latin America with A specifies more.
But first we need to get into some context here.
The first organization to promote the concept of a specifies
MOO was the Federation Anarchista Uruguaya or the FAU, which

(00:47):
is founded in nineteen fifty six by anarchist Milton's who
embraced the idea of an organization that was specifically anarchist.
But those who don't know, not long after, rather two
decades after ni UM, the US installed a dictatorship in Uruguay,
the last from nine. The FA you survived that dictatorship

(01:13):
and went on to establish connections with other South American
anarchist revolutionaries. So they helped to support the founding of
the Fedahao Anarchista Gaochia or fer G. I don't know
if I'm pronounced that correctly. The Federes shall an Artista
Kola and the Ferres shall an Arkista the Rio de

(01:35):
Janeiro or f the r G in their respective regions
of Brazil, and they also helped to found the Argentinean
organization as Alka, which means rebel. While only coming onto
stage in Latin America within the last few decades. The
ideas that really make up A specifies more tasan a

(01:58):
historic threat that's really run to the anarchist movement internationally
since the beginning. UM. It may as we get into
like what is spect feasion is and stuff, it may
sound very similar to platform is um. Are you all
familiar with that current Yeah, I'm from familiar with platforms

(02:19):
a little bit, but we can probably, I don't know,
explain it for the people at at at home who
are not as, who do not spend as much time
thinking about old, old, old anarchist terms right right right,
so their generic listener or viewer or whatever. UM. Platform

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is UM began with a document that was written in
nine by the former Peasant Army leader Nestor Maknu either
Met and other militants of the Yellow Truda or Workers
Cause group. They published the document called Organizational Platform of
the Libertarian Communists and it was written in response to

(03:08):
well being exiled from the Russian Revolution um and having
to struggle really to find their foot in after the
Bolsheviks turn the work of Soviets into instruments of one
party rule. UM. So the Power Space Group, the Deal Truder.

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They really criticized the anarchist movement for a lack of organization.
So they proposed an alternative that is controversial to some anarchists,
but it's essentially a general union of anarchists based on
anarchist communism that would strive for theoretical and tactical unity.
And I focused on class struggle and labor unions. Obviously,

(03:52):
platform is um like all political ideas, it's not a
static you know, the world has progressed sick significant lee
in a century, so um. While there is an emphasis
and workers struggle and class struggle. UM. When you speak
to most platforms today, I would say, um, obviously I

(04:12):
don't have stats on that. I would say most platforms
can recognize that, you know, the no war with the
class war is a bit reductive. UM. I've also noticed,
actually that platformism has been getting a bit more popularity lately.
I don't know if it's just me and my perception.
But I don't know if you' all seen that I have.

(04:34):
I've not seen tons of it here. A lot of
the type of anarchism I'm around, or at least see
is is not is not in this vein. But most
most of the stuff I see is like around UM,
like the kind of like live anarchy type kind of
strains um and more individualists. Right, But that's just I

(04:59):
think a very like Pacific Northwest specific thing that the
anarchists here just kind of generally trend in that direction.
So I'm not sure what it's literally like across like
this country in other places around the world. Yeah, I know,
I know, I know, I've definitely seen it. Especially I
think I think it's it's I don't know, almost think
it's bigger a few years ago. But back like there

(05:24):
is a big spike of black rose um serious group
for a while, and yeah, people who like called themselves
like anarcho communists or anarcho syndicalists kind of generally swam
in this general ocean. Yeah, I definitely saw that as
a bigger thing in than now, at least like locally

(05:45):
from my area. And I think I will say, yeah,
the blacks people. A lot of them, like very very
specifically were specific based, and a lot of it was
based on like people who had like experiences with a
specific moment very as ways, right right, yeah, because I
was actually just about to say, I think that black

(06:06):
Rose is more as specificity than Platform is. But of
course there is you know, a lot of overlap between
these two currents, right, Um. As for my experience with
like platform and some and stuff, have seen UM discussions
of it happening more. I mean, that's all I can
really see that I've seen. UM. Have you ever read once?

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But at least if discussions are happening, the likelihood of
things coming out of it might be a bit. In Greece,
I guess another current that UM has been part of
the anarchists milieu, psychgeist wave whatever is organizational dualism, which

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came out to the nineteen twenties Italian anarchist movement. So
they use the tomb to describe involvements of anarchists both
as members of anarchists specific political organizations and also as
militants in the labor movement. In Spain, the Friends of
Druti group emerged to oppose the Gradual reviews Cell, the

(07:15):
Smash Revolution n and they also ended up emulating some
of the ideas of the platform by criticizing you know,
the cnt F phase, c ant f AIS, gradual reformism
and collaboration with republican government. Um. So the spars of
war and stuff. You know, there's a lot of forces

(07:36):
that play and we're gonna get into now, but it is,
I would say, as a side note, important to recognize
that there is no model it when it comes to
like these sort of civil wars and historical events. Um,
you really have to look at things in context and

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you know, it's not trying to strip them away from
the goings on at the time. Also, the Chinese anarchist
movement of the nineteen tens um advocated for similar ideas.
I'm going to try to pronounce the name of the group,
hopefully don't get castled, but it's the who Shuang Fu Kong,

(08:19):
Shan Jui Tong, She's a way, I think, which is
the Society of Anarchists Communist Comrades. And yeah, they advocated
for a lot of similar ideas. So there's a lot
of different currents around the world influenced by you know,
the historic conditions. But the general thread that you know

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anarchists need to get together and work as a unit
is you know what's thrust in it, right and specifies more,
is just a fresh continuation of this threat of this trend.
So what is that? What is the specifies more exactly

(09:01):
the three key concepts um that I see emphasized again
and again. One the need for specifically anarchist organization built
around a unity of ideas and practice. Two, the use
of the specifically anarchist organization to theorize and develop strategic
political and organizing work. And three active involvement in and

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building of autonomous and popular social movements, which is described
as the process of social institution. So kind of core
to the whole specificity current is which is rather antithectical
some of the trends that I've seen in the past
couple of years. It's sort of a rejection of this

(09:48):
left unity idea, right, this idea that there can be
these this sort of big tent organization that can somehow
estab ash all these different visions simultaneously. Right. So I
specificity reject the idea of just unity of unity's sake,

(10:11):
because they feel it boils down to sort of Louis
common denominate to kind of wishy washy politics. They feel
it when unity is preferred at all costs, it leaves
very little room for unified action or developed political discussion.
In fact, in my experience, when you have like a
lot of political heterogene um, there tends to be a

(10:36):
lot of unproductive drama lack of better word. Obviously, people
of different political stripes should work together, um, And there's
no like harm in that. But at the same time,
when it comes to certain types of organizations, having a
sense of ideological unity is I would say pretty important.

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As you know, you don't want to have all these
different groups constantly butting heads for all these different visions.
You know, you want to have at least some sense
that we're moving in sync. Right, So you're not going
to have some people who are trying to establish social
democracy and some people who are trying to get like

(11:23):
this workers state code and code, or you know, people
who just want i don't know, like a higher minimum reach, right.
I mean, everyone's on a different stage of their political journey.
But what specificity try to emphasize is that while we
can work within these larger social movements, um, it's important

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that artists specifically come together to try to shape those
movements in an organized way. And I'll explain because it
kind of sounds a bit like anangotism for some people,
this idea that you know, these this cabal of like
revolutionaries are trying to manipulate things behind the scenes. But um, really,

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what a specificitts argue is that and I guess needed space.
They need space for like common strategy and reflection and
collective responsibility and you know, a place to discuss plans
and build trust and share analysis and you know, put

(12:31):
together shorts and long term goals all that jazz. Um.
So will the specificitys do reach out to and work
with social movements regardless of whether they fit this code
and code anarchist purity test um. And I see that
with my tongue planted family and cheek of course, Um,
they want to make sure that they can sue still

(12:54):
as an active minority, so that these movements aren't diluted.
And so I noticed like throwing out a lot of
different woods and freezers and ideas, um, you know, things
like ideological unity and the need for sort of a
consensus within the group. Um. And speaking of I've spoken

(13:14):
about consensus on my channel before, so I have a
breakdown on it. People can check out if they're like, um,
I was spoke of unified strategy, right, So you're not
just joking around, you actually have mapped out sort of strategy.
Like for example, black socialists in America. They aren't like
a specifically a specificity or to my knowledge, but you

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can see um that they have like a unified, like
clearly leader strategy and they're making moves to make it
to achieve it, and they're very public about those moves, right. Um.
I also I want to emphasize, of course, in the
specifies more the whole idea of this active minority. You know,
it's not just a bunch of like it's not like

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a path of book club, right. And a specificity group
is a group of people who are passionate about you
know this cause um, and obviously passionate people have this
habit of for they can more than they can chew. Right.
So what I would advise like a specificity and a

(14:20):
specificity judgment adjacent groups and really just organizations in general,
is that keep your size in mind, keep achievable goals
within sight, because if you don't you know, it's very
easy to burn out very quickly. Yeah. Um. With the

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specificity groups, it's important that they understand their responsibility, but
also that they understand their limits. Lastly, and very importantly,
social institution, I think is one of the most important
parts for specificity mo and I think even if you
do want to take anything away from like specificity specifies more,

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you at the very least like implement social institution or
at least concepts within social institution into organizing, right because obviously, um,
and I guess a kind of fewer number. But what
social institution tries to point out I guess, or tries
to develop within a movement, it's just awareness that the

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people who are making these moves from organizing and whatnot,
that they don't relinquish their power to like other figures
or forces or parties or whatever the case may be. Right, Um,
Social institutions times in the belief that the oppressed but

(15:54):
the most revolutionary sector society and the seed of future
revolutionary transformations society lies already in these classes and social groupings.
So it doesn't mean socialization doesn't mean like acting within
single issue advocacy campaigns or you know, like trying to

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take over people's existing struggles. It means getting involved in
daily fights and daily struggles people to better their own conditions.
It means, you know, connecting with workers, connecting with immigrants,
connecting across neighborhoods, working towards racial liberation, working within students
struggles and tenant struggles. As people are like part of

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these struggles, they become conscious of their place in society, right,
And part of our rule is to try to develop
their consciousness. So as people are tempered and tested and recreated,
they see their position in the what we're looking for

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in the pecking order. Right. They see that there are
forces that play that are keeping them down, their structures
play that are keeping them down, and they change from
just being like social classes to being active social forces.
So they're brought together by organic methods and by self

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organized cohesion. What you notice of the popular movements, like
for example, Black Lives Matter, is that the unlike what
some conservatives might assume, the Black Lives Matter organization wasn't
the one like pulling the strings, you know, like the
official group wasn't there, you know, telling people okay, march here,

(17:43):
puting that right here, move that you know, it's like
the people themselves came together and you know, really expressed
the desire for change. And so really, as they become
self conscious actors, aware of their power, of their voice,

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of their nemesis, which is the ruling elites that control
the social order, a specificitys try to keep that thrust. Right.
What a specificity argue is that essentially there's an anarchist
on the current two popular social movements that should be

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preserved and maintained and cultivated. Right with popular movements, Um,
they're very quickly co opted by impositions of leadership or
by you know, academic elites or by political parties. But
specificity aren't there to try to make groups identify as anarchists, right,

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They're there to just maintain that thrust, to be self
organized and to fight for their own interests because ultimately
that's our natural impulse as months. You know, it's really
the propaganda that tells us, you know, um, like you
have to go through these proper channels. You know, you

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have to vote with your dollar or you know, food
for these politicians or whatever the case may be. Converse,
and all these different things call up your representatives. The
natural thrust of a person is not to like relinquished
control of themselves, you know, it's to try to maintain
that um and so a specifics trying to push against

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the propaganda that keeps us from maintaining that, push against
the co optation that ships that from us. Soup. Do
any sort of automatic critiques of a specifies move come

(19:54):
to mind for y'all? I'm not sure about like critiques
per se. We need to think about it more, But
a few things that come to mind around so, like
you talked a bit about like the difference between like
left unity and creating like an anarchist unity, um, and
for people at home, I would like to maybe extrapolate

(20:15):
why those are different things. I know you have a
good video on left unity already, but like in terms
of trying to like, you know, if if one of
the goals being creating like an anarchist organization that kind
of unifies different anarchists, how that is a different type
of unity than just left unity in general. UM. I
think that might be a point of clarification. And then

(20:38):
the other thing I was wondering about is like how
does this intersect in terms of like individual goals versus
like group goals or like organizational goals and so like,
because like there's a there's a back and forth between
like personal autonomy and then you know these type of
social movements that kind of almost gained their own thrust.

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Yeh right, right, Yes. To the point about the difference
between Left unity and anarchist unity, um, well, obviously artists
or soon fairly heterogeneous. Um, I think our general thrust
for self determination and autonomy and that kind of thing

(21:23):
is it brings us together. You know. The difference between
like say anarchist unity, where they're differently some I would
say key disagreements within the milieu and left unity is
that I feel there are some extremely incompatible factors that
prevent Left unity from being viable. Yeah, when there's a

(21:47):
thrust among significant segments, I mean really every non libertarian
segment of you know, they couldn't get left to uh
funn our popular energy towards state institutions, whether it be
through insurrectionary social democracy or reformist social democracy in a

(22:13):
case of amounts and stock damage respectively. Um, I think
that that really keeps us from really working together on
anything more than small goals and small projects. I mean,

(22:33):
we've really seen the whole left unity idea of fall apart,
you know, through wars and through even just like what
should be discussions between people, you know, like the First
International literally split because of the differences between you know,
the so called left currents, you know, between the anarchists

(22:55):
and the other socialists. So last unity is now something
that I even to achieve. I think most people know
that about me by now, um. But regard to like
anarchist unity, and of course the differences between an artists,
I think the general rusted to maintain the autonomy and

(23:15):
self determination of the people and of the social movements
via inserting ourselves in is what really clues us together.
And of course that alone, I don't know if that's
enough to maintain in a specificity organization, because you know,
like I noted, a specificitys try to um develop deeper

(23:38):
level you know, strategies and theoretical discussion and that kind
of thing, And so with those sort of discussions, you
know you're gonna see a lot more of the distinctions
bearing out. But at the very least, UM, I think
anarchists generally could benefit from a degree of at least

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unity in the sense of maintaining or soularity in the
sense of maintaining the libertarian thrust of popular movements. I
asked the other thing that you had noted about the
sort of friction between individual goals and organizational goals, between
autonomy and sort of how social movements end up taking

(24:21):
on like an energy of their own. Um. To be
quite honest, I don't think I have like a fully
developed answer for that. Yeah, um, Because, on the one hand,
a social movement that forgets that it is about, you know,

(24:43):
deliberation of individuals is you know, in my view of
social movement that's quickly going to and obtaining against the
people who are you know, fueling it. At the same time,
I interacting with like a lot of people what pretty

(25:03):
selfish or pretty egotistical or just argumentative for the sake
of it. Sorry, So if you're gonna say something, yeah,
I was just like, the thing that keeps popping up
into my head is, you know, one of the things
that gets misconstrued all the time is who's calling the shots.

(25:23):
And I kind of feel like what you're saying is
everybody in a way, right, Yeah? Yeah, I think that like,
which is good sometimes but not good other times. Obviously
exactly because I think it's it's very easy to fall
into this sort of um almost reactionary I like island

(25:49):
mentality not island mentality is incribean islan mentality isn't fussiness
and as an island around like autonomy and you know
personal freedom, you know, like this renting idea that you
know on step map property, you know that kind of
thing just let people do whatever. It's kind of like
most alarchrocaplist conception of what like freedom and autonomy is

(26:14):
I think an important part of autonomy and you know
freedom and yeah, like this project is you know, accountability
and is you know, like consequences like social consequences and
how your actions affect others. You know, like what you
said he was to recognize is that we are not

(26:38):
in fact islands. You know, our actions or behavioral words
affect other people. And so I think it's going to
be a constant project to sort of balance um individual
personalities and BROADERCT goals. But I mean, yeah, it's it's

(26:59):
trick right, Like you know, we're you're talking about like
some kind of you know, group organization to work together
to kind of you know, think of achievable goals and
create steps to get there um. And I feel among
a lot of people who proudly declare themselves anarchists and

(27:21):
at least like and they're extremely vocal. Like these are
like people both like online and in person organizing that
are very are very like vocal and try to very
much like make their place known. We've seen trends away
from this direction in terms of like rejecting the idea
of goals and demands and just you know, like this

(27:42):
this more insurrectionary kind of tendency of just making total
destroy for the sake of it and committee, yeah, and
and and and that. I mean, like I know that
like platform is m is kind of like it's not
like Antiens insurrectionary, but it's like it's it definitely critiques
that type of instructionary rend um. So I'm thinking about, like,

(28:02):
you know, this idea and like how with with with
this kind of general you know, decentralized, no no demands,
no goals kind of general kind of direction that like
capital a anarchists are are doing. How like what's what's
maybe some parts of a specific that we can actually

(28:24):
take into account to be like hey maybe there's you know,
like I I don't like, I don't like being called,
like any adjective anarchist. I think it's silly. I like
I like the parts, um, I think earlier this year
or yeah, the last year, Like I just got to
the point for you, I'm an anarchist, you know that's yeah, Yeah,

(28:45):
I like the parton desert. It's like, I'm an anarchist
of many adjectives. I'm not, I'm not I'm not always
an insurrectionary, I'm not always a syndicalist. I'm not always
you know, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Um.
And I feel like that's would be really useful kind
of thing for people to focus on more in terms of, yeah,
it can be fun to make total destroying that it's

(29:07):
a very base instinct, but it also would be great
to like improve people's lives a little bit um and yeah,
and there's like to to to kind of like dueling things.
Um and in terms that's why I do really like
the part of like this type of stuff that it's
really appealing to me just because I kind of already
work on this myself, so I'm like, oh, I'm I'm

(29:28):
already doing this, but it's like the it is it
is like the social the social insertion side of things,
I think is something that would be a much a
much better way of thinking about. Like everyone hates talking
about optics because yeah, it's frustrating, but I think the
social insertion method is a better framework for kind of
dealing with some of those same problems. Um. And yeah,

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and then like you know, there is even among insurrectionaries
and all those you know, all those types, there still
is like a decent amount of like group projects and stuff,
and that is I think a really good thing to
focus on because but yeah, there's not many anarchists, and
it would be cool if there was more. And if
we just focus on the parts that make people go,
oh that's kind of silly and pointless, then we're not

(30:13):
really going to grow anarchism that much. Um. So highlighting
the parts they are like, oh, yeah, you're actually helping people.
That's gonna convince a lot more people who are kind
of already trending in that general general direction, and then hey,
maybe in a few years they can also be doing
silly destruction for fun, because it is it is fun sometimes, right, Yeah,

(30:35):
Like this, as you mentioned optics, I reminded it is
kind of pet peeve I have with some you know,
instant people where they try to treat like ideologies or
specifically anarchism as like a pr project that we have
to like constantly be trying to shift the optics and

(30:56):
micromanaged like every aspect. Like No, I think that as
remedy for like, because you're not going to match the
power of mass media. What you can do to push
back against a sort of propaganda is help people, and
help people and identify as anarchists as you're helping people, right, Like,
that's the easiest and quickest way to dispel people's notions

(31:20):
and like conceptions of what an anarchist is. If we
were to take like socialization right and sort of, I
would say, there's still it's a bit and individualize it
a bit. Um. I would say that as a practice,
you know, just even if you don't know any any
other anarchists in your area, right, just being there, being

(31:43):
in these movements helping people and you know, saying you know,
this is what I believe. Um, Just talking to people
about what you believe as a place and as you're
helping them, you know, that goes a long way, much
longer than any you know, poster UM campaign or like

(32:04):
wheat pasting initiative or artwork um you know, wall arts
or whatever, you know, like actively helping people. Of course
wall lot has its place and double little bit myself,
but you know it's it's not it's ultimately like talking

(32:24):
to people and helping people and being their people and
being honest about your intentions that I think, you know,
we should working towards. And I think those types of
projects are something that the specific model like excels that
in terms of like creating like a unity of anarchists
who get like who have like a goal in mind

(32:44):
and then go out to achieve the goal. Helping people
like doing like doing like like like direct directly helping
people is something that that type of organization model is
kind of the best at UM because you can yeah,
really like or aize things much better with a small
group like that and create goals that are actually very achievable,

(33:05):
whether it be you know, building a community kitchen or
building you know, heating centers for like for the winter,
like under under bridges or whatever. You know, all those
types of starting community gardens, all those types of things
are I think what this type of model really excels
at and Yeah, you don't need to change your ideology
to this one word because that's that's silly. But you

(33:27):
can pick up different parts of it, be like, yeah,
that actually seems like a useful way of the world
that you want, you know, a politicians just ruling hand,
co opt our project, you know, like just basic things
like that, you know, and then from there, you know,
as you are talking with people and meeting people who
are passionate about issues in these social movements. You know,
not only does it keep you from developing this sort

(33:49):
of um pretumularly online um in group kind of mentality,
it also opens up opportunities you to develop your and
this is on the topic of like the individualist social institution,
it prints or presents oportunities for you to develop your

(34:10):
own had no like book club, and then from that
book club could come and a specificity organization. You know,
as you begin to develop your politics and your shared politics,
more can come out of it. So don't underestimate, you know,
the potential of just putting in the work and talking

(34:30):
to people. Yeah, you know, just being there on the ground.
One of the best things you can do to help
stay alive in the well things are heading in the
direction that they're heading societally is like making friends and
forming a friend group and then yeah, like actually doing
stuff together. That makes dealing with everything else that's happening

(34:52):
so so much better. And hey, remember our old friend
Nest Nest remarking started with a book club, so hey,
you know, you never know where book clubs could lead
exactly exactly. It's actually really interesting. Um video clip of
Marie book Gin talking about book clubs and like the

(35:14):
power and potential book clubs. Um. I don't know if
we could probably link that in the show notes, but
it's like a really interesting make sure drinks. So ultimately,
a specificity believe that social movements we reached their own

(35:37):
logic of creating revolution. Not when they all just decide
to identify as anarchists and weave the black flag, but
when the majority reach a consensus and a consciousness of
their power and the ability to exercise their power in
their daily lives. So even if they do not adopt anarchism,

(36:02):
they still consciously adopt the ideas embedded within it. They
are multiple political currents will exist within any movement, and
so it's important that we as anarchists, and I guess
specifically as a specificity are there to actively combat the
opportunism that come from you know, these forces from this

(36:26):
whether electoral or find goddess within these social movements as well,
we can also help to push them further through um,
you know, pushing for more direct democracy and consensus, through federalism,
and confederating with other social movements through you know, building

(36:49):
up the mutual aid within these movements. Like if you are,
for example, part of a mutual aid group in one neighborhood,
you can push them to start reaching out with mutually
groups and other neighborhoods and creating a network of mutual
aid groups that can build into something bigger, you know,
combining resources and manpower to really push the revolution, you know. Lastly,

(37:17):
I will say that for those who are trying to
like get into the whole specifies more thing. Um. I mean,
you could start a new organization from scratch. But again,
like the easiest thing to do is suggest getting there
to people and be honest with the people. And I

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keep saying the people, even though I have my critiques
of this amorphous conception of the people, but the point
remains that our goal is to spread our ideas, not
to get people on any particular ideology, but to get
a liberatory consciousness on the ground and to generalize that consciousness.

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And for those who are curious about the specifies more
in action and social institutions, specifically the Federal show Anarchista
GAUSHA in Brazil has worked with neighborhood committees and urban
villages and slums. They've built alliances with the rank and
file members of the rural land as workers movement the
must and they've also worked with trash and recyclables collectors

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UM Brazil. For those who don't know, as a lot
of high levels of temporary uh and contingent employment, underemployment
and unemployment. So the working class isn't how will you
traditionally conceive it as like just surviving primarily off of
wage labor, but it's more so this is sort of
subsistence work informal economy, gig economy can deal. So being

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able to connect with these when trash collectors, for example,
who are part of this out of the economy, the
FIG has built a strong relationship with them and help
them to form their own national organization to you know,
push for their interests and to collectivize their recycling Operations

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specifies More is also um worked with the has also
worked in the efforts of the Zabalaza Anarchist Communist Front
in South Africa, as they also are strong opponents of
social institution and you know, really being embedded in these
social movements in Argentina, in Brazil, in South Africa, and

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in the US in the case of Black Rows Anarchist
Federation specifies, More has been building as a key point
reference and so I'll leave us off with a code
from the use of Front Collective, an anarchist group online.
If libertarian socialists merely organized with libertarian socialists, and they

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will lose contact with the broader population they need to
be reaching. If libertarian socialists merely joined social movements without
advocating various libertarian socialist practices that can be used, then
social movements can easily drift into being susceptible to reformist
and strategic liberal and Lendinist tendencies and opportunists. If libertarian

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socialists merely joined social movements and try to spread ideas
and practices in mere individual ways, they'll be far less
successful than a well thought out, coordinated effort. And if
theoretically specific libertarian socialist groups try to control social movements
and popular organizations from the top down. Then such specific
groups sacrifice their own principles and would reproduce hierarchical organizer.

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In contrast to authoritarian fine goddess conceptions, specifies more groups
and a specificity put their activity towards a self organization
of movements and organizations ultimately, as I honestly love this
code from Shanti Alston, power to the people, where it
stays with the people. Peace, Yes, Andrew, please please plug

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your plug doubles because they are good and people should
in fact listen to them, right, Thank you, Safety Foost.
Of course, I will say that you can follow me
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