It’s Ok That You’re Not OK: the podcast

What would be different if we could all just tell the truth about our lives?

 

Welcome to SEASON THREE of It’s OK that You’re Not OK: the podcast (formerly known as Here After with Megan Devine). 

 

I started this show to talk about grief, and it’s grown to be so much more than that - it’s become a place for real conversations about life, and love, and loss, and even… hope.

 

In season three, episode zero, we cover the name change (FKA: Here After with Megan Devine), explore the worlds we create when we decide to talk about difficult things, and get a little preview of this season’s guests. 

 

This season is FULL of deeply fascinating conversations with wonderful people. Guests include:

 

• Baratunde Thurston on the twin arcs of grief and celebration that weave through his work as an author, speaker, and TV host. 
• Musician Sarah Ramey shares the joy of having her song featured in an episode of the hit series Wednesday, and the grief of being a person with a chronic illness in an industry that doesn’t care if you’re too sick to create more music. 
• Creative Live founder Chase Jarvis talks about whether a financially successful, able bodied white male is really allowed to feel grief or exhaustion. 
• Trauma expert Dr. Gabor Maté describes how disallowing grief creates a disconnected, often violent world - and of course, what we can do about it. 
• And so many more conversations with kind, thoughtful people, like Rachel Cargle, Maggie Smith, Valarie Kaur, Pooja Lakshmin, Bill McKibben… the list is long, and I can’t wait for you to meet them all. 

 

About your host:

 

Psychotherapist and bestselling author Megan Devine is recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. She helms a consulting practice in Los Angeles and serves as an organizational consultant for the healthcare and human resources industries. 

The best-selling book on grief in over a decade, Megan’s It’s Ok that You’re Not OK, is a global phenomenon that has been translated into more than 25 languages. Her celebrated animations and explainers have garnered over 75 million views and are used in training programs around the world.

 

Additional resources:

 

Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community for live monthly Q&A sessions: your questions, answered.

 

Check out Megan’s best-selling books - It’s OK That You're Not OK and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed 

Get in touch:

 

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For grief support & education, follow us at @refugeingrief on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok, and follow Megan on LinkedIn

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This has been an experience that is so beautiful. It's
been this really like heart forward, heart open journey. Thank
you for inviting me into what feels like kind of
a sacred space here.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
This is It's Okay that You're Not Okay, The show
that explores how not okay we are and why that's
okay to talk about. I'm your host, Megan Divine. This
week on the show, what happened to hereafter, what's ahead
for season three of the show, and why should you
care about grief if nobody died? Settle in Everybody? The

(00:35):
answers to these questions and more coming up right after
this first break. Before we get started, one quick note.
While we cover a lot of emotional relational territory in
our time yere together, this show is not a substitute

(00:56):
for skilled support with a licensed mental health provider or
for profession no supervision related to your work. Hey friends,
welcome to It's Okay that You're Not Okay, The podcast
that explores how not okay we are and why we
should just start telling the truth about that. I'm Megan

(01:17):
Divine and it's season three. If you've been with me
from the start, you will obviously notice the podcast name change.
More on that in a minute. I started this podcast
to talk about grief, the life altering grief that barges
into our lives, and the smaller everyday losses that are
just like so normal, we don't even think about those

(01:37):
things as grief. Loss really is everywhere. Things don't work
out as you plan, someone gets sick, you lose a job,
somebody dies, life falls apart or project flops, and the
world is on fire and everything feels hopeless. Most people
are not okay, even if just a little bit not okay.

(01:58):
But we don't usually talk about that stuff. This podcast
lets me talk about it, and it lets my very
cool guests talk about it, and lets me talk to
very cool guess too. But hopefully you know my dream
here with this everybody, is that this show helps you
talk about It helps you talk about how not okay

(02:20):
things are in your own lives, in your own relationships,
and out in the world. Now, if there's one through
line in all of the work that I've done over
the last fifteen years of talking and writing and speaking
on grief, it's that the conversations we have create the
world we inhabit. The conversations we have and the conversations

(02:42):
we overhear. They tell us what's okay to talk about.
They tell us what to expect in terms of support
and understanding from the people around us. They tell us
whether it's best to stay on the surface where we
pretend that everything is just fine, or if it's okay
to go deeper in the conversation and actually tell the truth.
The quality of our conversations, the honesty in our conversations,

(03:06):
can make the impossible world more survivable, or if we're
not allowed to tell the truth, those conversations can make
the world increasingly lonely. I don't want a lonelier world,
and I don't think you do either. I started this
podcast to talk about grief, and it has grown into

(03:28):
so much more than that. So many of this season's
guests get to talk about the invisible parts of their lives,
the things that don't get much airtime. Bryton day Thurston
talks about the twin arcs of grief and celebration that
weave through his work as an author and a speaker
and a television host. Musician and author Sarah Raimi shares
the joy of having her song chosen by Tim Burton.

(03:50):
Tim Burton to headline an episode of the show Wednesday,
and she also got to talk about the grief that
comes with being a person with a chronic illness working
in an industry that does not care if you are
too sick or too tired to create more music. Creative
Live founder Chase Jarvis talked about whether a financially successful,

(04:10):
able bodied white male is really allowed to feel grief
or exhaustion about anything, and trauma expert Gabor Matte joined
me to talk about grief and how disallowing grief creates
a disconnected and often violent world. Now, of course, he
and I also discussed what we could do about it.
We're not going to leave you in that hopeless, violent world.

(04:33):
But all of these these guests, and all the guests
that we have in store for you this season, these
are deeply fascinating conversations with amazingly wonderful people telling stories
that they don't always get to tell. I cannot wait
for you to meet all of them. This season's guest
brought me so much joy. That you can access joy

(04:58):
in conversations about what are often difficult topics. Well, that
brings me back to the whole reason for this show.
It's okay that you're not okay, talking about that, making
it normal to talk about that, hearing examples of how
to talk about it, how to really listen for the
ways that loss and disappointment and frustration inform our lives

(05:21):
without like that requirement to have them transform our lives.
There's so much power there that world of connection that
was created in conversation with each one of these guests,
Like that, That's the kind of world I want to
live in where we tell the truth about how not
okay we are. Going back to the name change for

(05:43):
the show, what started out as Hereafter with Megan Divine
is now It's Okay that You're not okay the podcast
a lot of people know me because of my book
It's Okay that You're Not Okay. So one reason for
the name change is just to make the podcast easier
to find. The other reason is it's okay that You're
not okay really summarizes what the show is about. Each

(06:06):
week I bring you a conversation that explores how not
okay we are as individuals, as communities, as people who
care about the state of the world. I truly believe
that having honest, deep, often very funny conversations about the
things we don't usually talk about, like I think that
can change the world. These conversations are community building and

(06:32):
permission giving and role modeling at their conversational best. And
I'm really glad I get to do this, And I'm
really glad you're here. It's Okay that You're not okay.
With new episodes each and every Monday. Follow the show
on social at Refuge and Grief and It's Okay Pod
on TikTok for video clips from the show, and use

(06:54):
the hashtag It's Okay pod to let me know how
these conversations affect you. It's okay that you not okay.
You're in good company. It's okay that you're not okay.
The podcast is written and produced by me Megan Devine.
Executive producer is Amy Brown, co produced by Elizabeth Fozzio.

(07:14):
Logistical and social media support from Micah, Post production and
editing by Houston Tilley. Music provided by Wavecrush, and today's
background noise provided by Luna very very slightly snoring in
the background and an unusually large number of planes going
by