21 Savage Said “F THE STREETS”… Now The Culture Is Fighting Itself | Loon Explains - ITS UP THERE PODCAST W/LOONEY

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The niggas.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
So you see how they go to bat for this.
You see how all these jump out go to bat
for this bit. They lord this toxic. It's abusive to
beat the shit. I did kill them, kill their families.
One jump out and they done killed this Grandmamy and
granddaddy and he jump out defending it. Boy just got

(00:22):
out of jail. It's a toxic provider. That's why you
can't save the streets, some of these of it because
I don't know no big homies that winning done thirty
years in the face. Every single one of them niggas
is saying preaching against the game.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
I don't know nobody that said. These rap niggas is masquerade.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Man.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
These rap niggas is masquerade.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Man.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
You understand what do we do?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
What we're millionnaires? We beat the game. Imagine beating the
game and walking around with the joystick still in your hand.
Now y'all want to walcome anybody to us up there podcast?
You know the vibes right now? I need you to
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(01:08):
from Main and Spain. Man, you're dealing with the biggest
one of the prime minister. I see all the tags.
I see a lot going on. I have missed a
couple of episodes. I've been dealing with a few things
that you know, in my personal life that I had
to attend to. But I guarantee you one thing. We
come to have a classic episode today. If you have
not hit share right now, if you let me say

(01:29):
that again, if you have not hit share right now,
because we're in a situation right now, man, well, we
gotta spread the gospel.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
So we got a lot to talk about today.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Man. I see all the tags and posting mentions and
things and people asking what my opinion is on the
Streets movement that you see a merge from out of
then THATLP. Today, I'm gonna give you some of what
I feel about it.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
You know, there's a lot going on, but we got
to capture it, and hopefully I take you through my
thought process as well as how I view all of
it for people who do not know. Twenty one Savage
just dropped his album called What Happened to the Streets
and he did an interview, and while Bank has my
support in what he's doing, the interview was counter productive.
December the eleventh, the interview was posted and they had

(02:15):
a conversation surrounding snitching, and I just felt like with
Savage being away from the game for that amount of
time and coming back to drop his album, it feels
like it was buried under all the conversation, the non
productive conversation. And so after the conversation with twenty one
Goals Live, he starts to get input from it, because
again the interview was like between two home boys. And

(02:38):
that's what I'm saying. You gotta be careful on these cameras, right,
because you can know certain things you can't really speak about.
It's certain ways you gotta do certain things. It's too
much money at stake. There's a skill set man on
these cameras, man that cannot be ignored with this amount
of money just at stake, right. And so I always
tell like, even when all this shit going on all

(02:59):
the streets, all rappers this saying the streets, and I
think sometimes the fame can get you in a bad position, man.
It can make you think you bigger than the program.
Sometimes you can try to oblas simplify something that's a
very complex conversation, and you cannot do that right. And
so I'm not understanding what the fuck is going on.
So when I hit a couple of people hit me
from these usps across the country and they asking me, yo, long,

(03:22):
what's going on? And I'm explaining in them and trying
to get these young boys the benefit of the doubt
because I understand what it's like to come up and
feel their betrayal from the street. I know what it
feels like, and so they just going through it in
front of the world. These as young boys, they really
don't know what's going on. So just bat with them
and then it be a bunch of you old that

(03:42):
a contribute to the detrimental conversation. You need to start
saying something on the other side, help these young boys
explain something tearing their money down. And so when I
sit back as a big home, I'm saying, yo, hold one. Really,
I'm saying, yo, they gotta really start paying me because
I'm really an advisor. Shortly after the interview came out

(04:04):
on YouTube twenty one, Savage took to his Twitter with
a series of posts. Some of them was asking for
reconciliation between Thug and Gunner. He was asking for Wham
to acknowledge some things with Thug. He was asking for
unity in the city. One thing I say about twenty
one is it feels like he always is maneuvering with
a good heart. It feels like he wants to be

(04:26):
involved in the right way.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
So this is a very complex conversation right now. I
got to be clear because I know there's a lot
of people out there lost. What you were dealing with
was twenty one savage for the first time in his life,
hearing himself out loud on the playback, under criticism on
some of the rules that the.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Streets stand for. And you hit a wall.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
If you've never really been involved, you can't really understand
what I'm saying, But you.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Hit a wall.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
And so you're dealing with a young dude just realizing, Yo,
this shit kind to be signing crazy when you think
about it. And so when you deal with that, your
first reaction is going to be to push back. And
so then birth to the streets tweet. Now here's where
the roller coaster starts. Because if you're asking me when
I first seen the streets tweet, I understand what they mean.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
I'm a high level nick.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Even if they don't mean what I think they mean,
I can apply a definition to it. Because I'm a
high level neck. But I knew soon as I seen
it it was a mistake. It wasn't a mistake in practice,
it was a mistake in execution. You cannot oversimplify such
a complex conversation. When you look back at Tupac, he

(05:41):
would always let me know what thug life meant. He
would explain to you what thug life men. He understood
that y'all can take thug life and put some on it.
So every time I come out to campaign for this,
I got to be clear on this.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Meaning.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
You see a politician, no matter what you ask them,
they may revert back to a talking point because it's
clear in that talking point something that can resonate with somebody.
You got to be clear when you had these conversations.
But what happens is you become a rapper and you
get fame, and you get money, and then you get power.
That power makes you think you bigger than the program.

(06:16):
You ain't read the handbull And I don't blame the
rappers because their intentions are good. And I know Savage
to be a real When I've been around a couple
of situations I listen to him, I know it's vibration.
I know who you are, real one, not even under
the lights, not knowing nobody looking or watching right. I
know what he's standing on in certain scenarios, and so
I don't think the lahoma meant no harm.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
And I knew what he meant when he was saying.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
And so I know Savage to be someone that has
morals and principles based on what I've seen, some of
the public facing and some of the private conversations. You know,
I know Savage to have some sort of some level
of integrity, and so I understood what he meant.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
I've been through it. I've been through that process.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
It wasn't in front of everybody, though this is a
process that most of us go through.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
It just ain't in front of everybody.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
And while I understood Savage, and I expected most people
that has any kind of brain to understand what he
meant and what anybody is saying, because I've been saying
it for years, like yo, the streets don't pay good enough,
and it to ruin you to get you so far,
and then it'd be the reason you can't get no further.

(07:21):
I've always spoke to this, but I've also spoke to
the other side of that. And this is what I'm saying.
This is why Savage and you other guys got to
have smart gentlemen in the building, right, Because at first,
I was gonna come on here and snap right, I
was gonna call Spider Rugs or somebody. Yo, let I
need to talk to bru man. Well, let's get all
on the phone. I need to write. And because because

(07:43):
you know, in the back of my head, I'm saying
to myself, Yo, it's influential as rappers are. I love
these little I want to see them all eat. But bruh,
there's a corner of this world. Weed out. In the
corner of this world, the rappers don't override the street rules. Now,

(08:05):
they're influential, and they can get to the children, and
they can affect the streets, but don't nobody override the
street rules. So I was first gonna come in and say,
may the rappers can't say that. Can't no rappers say that.
I was gonna come in here like that. Then I said,
hold on on, you can't do that, because I gotta
pull a future coteil in a minute, right, as an

(08:25):
elder statesman in the game, you gotta explain to the
young day. Pay attention, brother, this is where you was
wrong when you say the streets it's damn then like
you said, the people that's trapped, not the trap. See
it come off as friendly five. You gotta know how
to speak to it. And this on the system. See,

(08:46):
because streets is not a person, it's a system. It's
like a toxic provider. You ever seen a woman that
go with anither that put his hands on it, but
she can't leave him because he paid a bill. This
is how the streets is for. It's a toxic provider
and they pay quick.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
It pay one. So you gotta understand.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
People got a certain relationship with this boyfriend of theirs. Yeah,
this boyfriend be beating the shit out. Need you see
how they go to bat for this beer. You see
how all the eating jump out go to bat for
this beer. They love this toxic, this abusive to beat
the shit outa kill them kill they families one jump

(09:25):
out and they done kill this grandmammy and granddaddy and
he jump out defending it. Boy just got out of jail.
It's a toxic provider. That's why you can't save the street.
Some of the love it. They don't know They don't
give how much it hurt him. It help them. It's
the only thing to help them. You can't say you
can't telling him to quit a job, and it's the
only job that's hiring him. You can't expect to leave

(09:48):
the only house that accept him. I don't give a
how much repping you're doing, right, So I was gonna
come with that attitude, But that's counterproductive. My job is
to explain the game, and so I got to explain
to the rappers why the streets. Why some of the
streets is hearing it that way. Some of them want

(10:09):
to hear it that way. Some of them want to
break bad. But some of them is looking at it
like you're talking about their girlfriend. Some of them is
looking at it like you talking about they toxic provider.
It done a lot for us. It taught us a lot.
It took a lot from us, but it taught us
a lot. You gotta know the difference between healthy relationships

(10:31):
with things productive relationships with things. See, we come from
having so little will take any relationship? Is it paying
the bills? You better not with my plug. I know
that adjusts me to listen. It's part of the street.
This is part of then what I'm trying to tell
you my name. You gotta remember that this system need
some of these boys in and come out the streets,

(10:51):
and I'm the I left the game. I beat the game.
Then why I can talk like this. I didn't get
my money from entertainment. I didn't get my understanding from entertainment.
I got my understanding from the game. It taught me that,
oh shit, this shit ain't really what they say. Oh god, Lee,
I'm finding it out in real time. I remember one

(11:13):
time allegedly dealing with some guys, and I'm cool with
everybody involved. One time I pull up, it's a dude outside.
He's sitting on the porch. What he's sitting on the
porch doing long, I don't know. I don't pay no
attention to him. Everybody over here is my people. I
go in there, take care of the beising to come
back out next week. Come to find out they doing. Man,
Come on, man, it's you learn in real time and say,

(11:34):
oh they oh this ain't you learn in real time.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
But it's important that you know. You're survivor of the streets.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
So when you say without explaining to him what you meaning,
it's like you're punching down, and I get it. These
young boys ain't punching down. They really trying to lift up.
But you can't oversimplify. You need to get some OG's
on the phone. You can't oversimplify this process. This is
a complex conversation. You say things like that, and people

(12:06):
stuck in the streets think you cursing them. They don't
think you cursing the system that got them trapped. And
so I also want some of you old, unreasonable dumb
ass out there to have some patience. The is in
their twenties that's trying to push this kind of movement,

(12:27):
that's trying to change some of the minds of the youth.
It's up to us to put some game next to it.
But at the same time, I understand that fame shrinks
your perspective and so you cannot make these kind of
decisions by yourself. And so I'm never upset about what
was said. I'm just smart enough to understand that vague

(12:50):
truth turns into friendly file. And so I'm explaining to
y'all how it turned into friendly file, how people took
it as friendly file, because when they hear you say
the street, what they gonna hear you say some of them,
whether intention or not, some people are gonna hear you say.
The people, the responsibility, the reputation, and you gotta remember

(13:15):
the magnet that the streets are.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Some people see.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
This is how you really know I got all I
got from the street because guess what, my mama really
grew up in the ghetto. I grew up in the ghetto.
This is how you know. I don't never gotta take
a picture in the ghetto again. Outne been there out
most of my life. You will see another go off
and make three and four hundred me and then he
want to go stand in the ghetto. He gets a magnet.

(13:43):
It ain't no place like home, they say. But I
had already been through what these young boys just going through.
Once you've been told on, once you done lost your people,
once you done walked in on the robbery gone bad,
once you done bury with this dude, Come on, my nick,
once you're done been broken down so much, you understand
the consequences. Man, I don't never got to see it

(14:05):
no more. Thank God for these smiles he putting on
these folk faces. Thank God for these Mercedes benz Is,
these rolls rosses, Thank God for these g wagons, Thank
God for these mansions, Thank God. Right we started to
thank God. Man, I don't got to be seen, but
what you will see is people can't let it go.
You gotta think people died off these rules. People in

(14:27):
the prisons right now, in and out of jail, off
these rules. And so they listening to their favorite rapper
that contributed to they hustle. They hustle contributed to they
prison sentence. So there's a proxy wark going on to
where people are saying, Yo, some of the rap shit
contributed to some of my actions. Now, I ain't saying
you responsible, but the atmosphere is right. I created an

(14:48):
atmosphere that encouraged me to get more money by any
means necessary.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
With Jesus, I created an atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
To where I wanted to go step on my ops
for young boy you say, or whatever the case may be. Right,
So you gotta think about some of the people who
are who have put their life on the line for
some of these rules. But what we gotta tell them
me is we've been duped, We've been tricked. It's just
like that toxic boyfriend and the girl got you gotta
you gotta explain to her, girl, it ain't knowing he

(15:17):
beating on you like that girl, It ain't noringal. You
got a black eye. Woman, you gotta she don't man,
she don't get he paid the bills around here, John
ain't Did you understand me? So I'm telling y'all that
you gotta remember this is a This is a very
complex conversation. And so you got jail cycles, you got funerals,
you got even people that never had a clean exit.

(15:40):
So after you done left the streets and became a
multi minion, now I understood that backlash. So I give
them the benefit of the doubt that they're young and
going through it in real time and they're waking up again.
Tying it back to the interview, three hour interview, they
get into the snitching conversation. I think it was a
very counterproductive conversation. Seeing that you've been gone long and
you have an album out, you should have focused on

(16:01):
the music. Sixty ninety minutes got in and out of that.
If we won't to have one of those, we'll come back.
But right now on my rollout, we're focusing on the music.
That's why I'm saying, y'all, rappers also gotta stop just
coming to holler let us when it's album time, because
that's when we're gonna get some of that shit in.
You gotta come hoigh let us in between time. But
they had the conversation, he's this is his first time

(16:21):
kind of explaining it.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
He goes off into the shadows and he comes back out.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Having that conversation in public is not gonna make sense
to the general public. And also, if you ever left
the streets, you really gotta understand that leaving the streets
for real street and it ain't an opportunity. A lot
of times it's a bill. It's started off as a bill.
Soon as a dude lead the streets, he going to
the hole. And that's what I'm saying. If you rich

(16:47):
and famous and sitting on podcasts, you may not really
look at it like that. You may say, man, whatever
it takes, we gotta do it. And that's true, you
gotta do it. But you can't cut your nose to
spite your face. You can't cut the only treat that's
get even you shay. You can't walk out a job
to nothing that's paying him. Right, we got to provide
an understanding of what we mean it. You know, all
the street rappers come out and say, man, you can't

(17:09):
say that. Man, you can't say that, And I get it, right,
I get it. But as a coach, I'm ask that
we be patient with some of the young guys and
understand what they're trying to say. And us, as elder
statesman in this game, if you have any level of understanding,
try to put some understanding under them and under the game.

(17:30):
But also I think that rappers have to have counsel
and for the right price, you know what I'm saying,
I come on people's team and act as an advisor.
You ain't got to do what I say. Do you
gotta run shit by me? Because what I tend to
think is there's not a lot of people that really
got their game from the game, and it's a hard

(17:51):
process and it's college. You didn't even know the triple
cross was a thing. Like I remember being a young boy.
I didn't know the triple cross was a thing. I
ain't no even a temple triple cross. Triple cross boy,
when triple cross on you, I'm talking about the person
in the middle didn't even know he would being cross that.

(18:11):
I think all of us are street. What I think
is some people got their street status through entertainment, because
don't get it confused, and can do some street stuff
through entertainment, right, You'll get to meeting the right people
and making some You can get a plug based on
who you is as a rapper. You understand, we listen
to your music, We like how you man. Come on, man, yeah,

(18:32):
we fuck with you. Right, we're just as a rapper.
But it's a different thing. When you had to crawl
up the mountain. You had to crawl up the mountain yourself.
You don't even know. You don't even really know when
the drought coming. You don't know what a drought is.
You ain't never even been involved. You know what I'm saying.

(18:53):
You at a certain level, right, So it's just until
you get as you operate in any operating system. Twenty
one Savage comments on young Thug and Gunner, and we're
gonna talk about that whole situation because again I think
it's high level game that ain't being put down. Let's
pay attention to what twenty one Savage said about Thug

(19:13):
and to hear this, you better.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
Be glad you stood over bited on the car.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
All wait, wait, called it did They probably just didn't
put it.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
So it's so big.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
It might be you sound like you level headed though,
Bro on the calls.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yeah, I don't feel like I feel like shout it wrong.
But I don't feel like he did it on purpose.
That's just my opinion.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
So why you ain't try to pass that up?

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Why I don't feel like that could be passed up.

Speaker 6 (19:54):
I tried to put them on group te ain't nobody
saying nothing.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
I don't feel like.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
I feel like all the way that to be patched
up is if Gunner say something to him. But I
just Slim didn't do nothing wrong to me. I can't
that situation kind of see. The only situation. The only
only thing I told Slim was this your young man.
You know this young right?

Speaker 5 (20:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (20:22):
You knowing your heart?

Speaker 5 (20:23):
God damn.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Then I can't say.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
That neither, because it'd be like I'd be like going
back and forth about this because in my heart, I
don't feel like.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
He did it to hurt him.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
But then again, I feel like do do anything to
get out sometimes too, do get in that space in
their head where it's like, Bro, I'm ready to come home,
But this is how I think he was thinking like
this is my opinion.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
I feel like Gunner was thinking his head by ain't.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
I just want to be clear, reiterate what I said earlier.
You get to explain to some of this stuff and say,
y'all did what Nah? I just broke him off, jak.
He was a homeboy. He ain't do nothing now, my homeboy.
He now he get twenty percent JET because he well
for what why you do that? But if you save
the street completely, when the industry done what, you ain't

(21:11):
got nowhere to go. I've seen rappers gotta come back
to the street.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Again.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Rappers have always been allies to the streets, and so
you got to be careful with your communication as a
big home, as a big in this space, you got
to talk with real perspective. The mistake wasn't in what
he was saying. It was oversimplifying it. But I want
you to understand right here how he's well, I can't
really say that because but nah, damn, I cat. I'm
telling you everybody that them being in the streets and

(21:37):
that had to make certain decisions at a certain time,
They've had these kind of encounters in their mind and
in their brain about something in the street that didn't
make sense, that didn't pan out, that was opposite of
what they told you. I remember being a young dude
man hustling, and she and me and my homeboy were
making a killing selling dying. Get with them old start

(22:00):
doing in the neighborhood. Man, them little boy ad me
selling dimes. So now they done tricked us how to
stop selling dimes. Guess who start selling dimes? Guess who
start catching our people?

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Them same old start catching our people. But the old
they told us it little boy me selling dime, You
ain't selling man. Come on, man with y'all.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
But see as I got older, I started saying, why
you don't see me rolling nobody? Don't let nobody influence me?
And those of y'all that know me that they said
they really like that for real? Hon't really like that
for real? You know what I'm saying, Like, I really
don't let nobody influence me. I'm just a good nick Now.
I ain't saying I'm perfect, but I'm just I'm always
trying to be real and I don't want to be

(22:43):
tainted with you. I don't want to be influenced by you.
N I don't want to be backbiting like these two
facing and talking like this over here and talking.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Like that over there.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Man, whatever I'm saying, I'm saying whatever I'm saying, and
people know that about me, and hopefully if ring truth
for the rest of the people that follow me, and
we stand on integrity. That's another thing we got from it.
Responsibility is the highest form of manhood. This ain't got
nothing to due with street rules. Snitching don't. Responsibility is
the highest form of manhood. I tell my children take responsibility.

(23:19):
I teach them, little boys, you can't be dumb, and
you better be responsible because kain't nobody save you. Now,
pay attention to what he said about Gunn.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
In my heart, I don't feel like he did it
to hurt him. But then again, I feel like dude
do anything to get out. Sometimes too, do get in
that space in their head where it's like, bro, and
I'm ready to come home. But this is how I
think he was thinking. Like this is my opinion. I
feel like Gunner was thinking in his head. But I
ain't saying I seen slime do nothing. I ain't saying

(23:48):
no specific nothing that I seen nobody do nothing Like oh,
I seen this happen. I seen this person shoot this person. Uh,
I seen him lead to go kill him. I felt
like he felt like what he was saying wasn't really
snitching in his head, like it's just like saying some shit.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
But saying that got down.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
You've seen commit crimes on behalf of wid hell that
that's that's that's bad.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Bro, that's not good like that.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
That don't it don't no matter your intention to the people,
to the world, well not to the world, because the
world switched. At first, they were saying, god damn, he
was wrong. Now they saying he right. But got down
to like like me and like gonna called me when
he first got out, bro, my mama, I was sitting
in the bed. He was like, Bro, what sounds like?

Speaker 5 (24:32):
Boy?

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yo ho, boy, you're good.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
I ain't even see the video yet. Boom got down
see the video? He called me. I think I think
he was leaving the jail or something. The first time
I talked to him, he just got in the house.
The second time he called, I think he was telling
me pull up like everybody was at his spot.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
So goddamn.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
I didn't seen the video now, so I'm telling him, like, bro,
that's this little bad to man, he like, man, the
lawyer tricked me.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Man ain't even know like ooo.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
So I'm like, god damn, I'm like, shit, you can't
get a flee back because because before he before Gunn
even got locked up, he was calling me and I
would like when they put the shout like they was
looking for him, And I told him like, bro, don't
keep running, because that's that's gonna f up your chances
of getting a bond even more the.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Longer you got.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Now, I'm like, go ahead and turn yourself in and shit.
So god damn, I told him, like, shit, see if
you can get a flee back like cause I'm telling you,
it's gonna make you look a certain type of way,
like to the public, like it's gonna stand you. I
believe you that you didn't know what you was doing,
but I can't really say that you didn't because you've grown.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
But if that's what you're going with, I give you
the benefit of that.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
The dot on that after relationship that we do got,
I'll let you say that to me, and I take
that for what it is, all right, Maybe he really
didn't know type shit, but at the end of the day,
how I look at the situation. I'm like, man, slime
should have never been saying certain shit like he should
have never broadcasted this to the internet and shit like
it could have been like a behind cluck like like

(26:00):
silent speak louder than anything sometimes, so just slim getting out.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
And I'm saying like, ain't nobody with gunn today?

Speaker 4 (26:07):
With no you get know what I'm saying, Like, that's
how you felt if you wanted, if your if your
intention was to let the world know that you don't
gunn and you never had to say it really publicly typed.
But I do understand being in their emotion sometimes and
moving off for emotions because do do that too type shit.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
So savage love thug right, Thug is a good nick
though if you ain't if you've ever been around thug,
dude is a good nick I've been around him, and
that's why you know what I'm saying, Like even for me, Brud,
I really want to see the young niggas eat any
one of the young niggas. They go for Wham, nigg
go for Thug, they go for herb, they go for
any one of them. They gonna tell you when they're

(26:45):
around me. I don't pull no cameras out. I really
be trying to give them some game and understand whats
going on, because I'm really coming with it. I ain't
been locked up one hundred years. I've been out here maneuver,
and I come in with five cribs. Me and my
people come in straight. So I'm saying, like, all niggas, really,
I really got the game now. I ain't better than nobody.
I'm just experienced. I'm old, I'm an elder statesman, I'm

(27:06):
an ally. You understand what I'm saying. And I want
to see the young niggas eating build empires because the
stronger y'all live, the stronger the South fields. You understand.
You see when this kind of shit happened, don't nobody
come out and talk. I'm the only nigga with a platform.
They gotta come out and try to sweep the dust
under the rug. See nigga create a mess. I gotta
come out of yo. Hold on you hold on now.

(27:28):
This means that y'all hold on, slow down. Everybody else,
keep making they money, everybody else, keep moving because it
don't affect no nigga. But I understand, I'm the one
just left the streets. I left the streets. I didn't
come in through rapping and I didn't come I left
that shit. I left them niggas there and I know
they watching, and I know they need marching orders because

(27:48):
I needed marching orders and I still need them. I
ain't never got a phone call from a nigga in
the industry about nothing to do with business. A nigga
ain't never called my phone and said, Hey, Yo, loan,
he go a he go wrong way, man, make sure
y'all do that. Hey, he go woo the woo man,

(28:09):
Loan makes it.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
A nigg ain't never call me, And not that I
need him to call me, because I operate good, I
make meetings, I operate straight. But it's just a slap
in the face knowing that I'm gonna always be the
nigga with the highest level of game that can even
explain this shit.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
But you see.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Twenty one Seva is trying to explain the gunner situation. Listen,
there's a lot of dynamics that I've been waiting on
people to speak about as it pertains the thug and
gunner that I guess we're gonna try to brow some
of it. Today, the streets does not come with a handbook.
It's a very irrational, emotional, unstable environment. So the question

(28:52):
arising again, I want you guys to understand this ties
into the street shit because as he's explaining what Gunna
do and how other niggas done shit, and what happens
is it starts to be like, Yo, what what do
we do?

Speaker 3 (29:05):
What we're millionaires? We beat the game?

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Imagine beating the game and walking around with the George
stick still in your hand.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
That what the young niggas doing. They done beat the game.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
And so when you when you become a moti nigga
now figures up nigga bad mother f and you start explained, Man, Nigga,
I still got the George stick in my hand. Nigga,
it's the old system I was playing with, Nigga, I'm
playing with the new system. Now I'm playing with the
Come on, man, this y'all still got me. I done
beat the game. Y'all still want me to carry the

(29:41):
George stick now. I carry the memories of beating the game.
I carry the information that come along with beating the game.
I carry the side missions, the intail. You understand me,
I don't carry the circumstances from the game. I've already beat.
It's below my pay grade. I've always told nigga that
little boy Larry Crime shit, y'all doing that shit below

(30:03):
my pay grade. They had a street nigga say, nigga,
do you know we've just done a big boy deal?
Do you know what kind of deals coming through this?
And y'all be bruh, that shit below a nigga paygrade.
But because we come from understanding all of black experience,

(30:24):
not just the criminal elements. This was why we was
always critical of people like academics and Adam and some
of these other guys when they spoke on certain topics
trap Lord Ross and others. Is that, hey, brother, respectfully,
you lack the experience to understand such a complex situation.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Well, how complex could it be? It'll take me years, bro, And.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
So we try to have consideration for the part of
black culture that they leave out unless they want to
sell them something. You notice that they'll come bill too,
be off the black pole, nigga, But they don't give
no blame nigga, no real opportunity.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
If we're not careful, there will be not one.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Black podcast out of the South that gets a big
deal like that.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
If we're not careful, Charlemagne don't count.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
He's in exact, he's been gone on, he's Hall of Fame,
he's the goat. Niggas know I deserve them big deals
and we're gonna work for it. But if we're not careful,
I'm telling you it's an intentional systematic environment in place
to what people from the South, as influential as they are,

(31:36):
are not valued outside of the customer sheet. And I
won't participate in those kind of deals. And so it's
gonna be a little bit interesting how we maneuver forward.
But I do want to say this. Twenty one Savage
is doing his best, says explaining the gun and thug situation.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
I want to go back into it to watch a
little more pay attention.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
But god damn, he could have He could have just
not said nothing and they would have went off that
type shit.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
I look at it like this, I look at it
like this. I feel like.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
What he did, he didn't necessarily snitch on the like
say this did this. But you saying you're helping them
prove that theory, what you did help them prove that theory,
whether whether they were gonna use it or not, like
keep saying, oh, they wasn't gonna use it. B y'all
don't know juror's watch. Bro, They're not supposed to. But

(32:28):
jurors sees on the internet.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
So if the jury seeing a headline where Gunner.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Saying, god damn, yes, this is a gang and god
damn committed crimes, people see that. I don't know if
he did it intentionally. I don't feel like that, like
just my vibe from him, I don't feel like that that.
I do feel like he wrong because definitely, when all
this said and done, Bro, before Slime even started tweeing
when he got out, he was quiet for a minute.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
He didn't say nothing for a minute when he first
got out. Man, car that the phone.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
You're right, You're right about that. You're right about that
one hundred percent.

Speaker 6 (33:01):
And I feel like they would have probably held a
conversation if you gotta think I'm already hearing you from
jail saying niece, Remember.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
They leaked the call in first. He was like, Bro,
put the shot man, I need to dish the ball
on the album. Whatever, right, they had already put that out,
so we already knew.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
But but but this how I operate. Bro.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Let me talk to you, just me as a man,
not even that. I'm not judging you off none. I
don't post to hear just as a man. I don't
care what you tell Shan Taira about me in the bed.
You might say, let man trip it. Man keep talking
for the tripping. I don't suposed to hear that. Man,
that's you and your girl talking. So I'm not gonna
hold that against you. Well, I know it like and

(33:41):
hear it and be like down he said, yeah, but
I'm not gonna hold that against you. So even Slime
saying this while he locked up, you know you don't.
For one, don't supposed to be hearing it, and for two,
what you did was wrong. So just take that on
the ship. I agree with that, see what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
I agree with that.

Speaker 6 (33:55):
I just feel like me personally, I feel like they
would have been able to help, like you said, egos involved.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
Now it's like what I'm gonna come say nothing?

Speaker 6 (34:04):
You already showed me for me, and I feel Slime
is like, I can I can?

Speaker 5 (34:09):
I can?

Speaker 6 (34:10):
I can forgive an enemy before I can forgive a
friend that I feel like crossing easy because you you ain't.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (34:18):
So I can forgive you easy like he asked me that,
Like how you can say it's cool.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
Owe me no launch. I wasn't ready to die and
go to chain. Ain't for then?

Speaker 6 (34:26):
You know what I'm saying. They don't even am still.
You know what I'm saying, were cool, but we ain't cool.
But a person that I really genuinely took in and
loved you. It's like, I ain't gonna bait it get
back there with you. He gonna be worse us trying
to patch some stuff. So I see it from slin side,
and I see it from gun side for us.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
Bro ain't then, Like I say, he already showed me
how he feel.

Speaker 6 (34:49):
I don't know either one of them feel like this,
but I'm just saying I put myself in both of their.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
Shoes if it was sly.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
So there's been this looming questions. Should should Doug forgive Gud?
Which way should that go?

Speaker 5 (35:01):
Right?

Speaker 3 (35:04):
The street code thing is like the Bible.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
It's been misused, it's been misrepresented, it's been repackaged, new Testament,
old tested like it's been tampered with in a way
where if you don't have your own understanding of it,
you could be led to believe certain things that may
or may not be the case. There's a lot of
things I think people are ignoring when it comes to

(35:26):
thug and gunner. The gun and thug thing is way
more complex than just didn't forgive each other. Get back
on stage. I'll get right back to the money. It's
way more. It's way more. It's way more complex than that.
And when I think about it out loud, if you're
thug and you made somebody of me, you know, you
gave them that career, took them on tour, you took

(35:47):
them in, you didn't really benefit like you should have benefited,
and then this ended up happening. They are discreaming, I'm
spposed to apologize, like I think it's absurd conversation to
even behaving. The unfortunately reality about all of this shit
is like, all right, these multi millionaire so it's a
different level. And they're trying to apply these small room

(36:08):
street codes, these small neighborhood street clothes on the global scale,
and I'm watching them try and I'm watching thug try
to apply the street cod on a global scale with
a nine figure brand. What do I mean when I
say that, Well, if you look at the reality of
the situation, young thug could have been up what fifteen

(36:30):
to twenty more million dollars for just if he would
have thrown under the rug on some business shit. But
now the street coat say, I gotta cut him off,
no matter how much money. But he got us stand
on there because I'm peeling that shit the baby too.
I'm telling baby, no matter how much. And so that's
what I'm saying when y'all saying he gotta forgive gun.
And now it's like, so, why y'all with baby in peace?

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Shit?

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Now it's a conversation to have about that. That was
a bigion dollar run they was on. Why did they
get involved with that? Y'all saying street code suposed to
break all this shit down? And now y'all entertaining this.
I'm telling y'all this much more complex. Now do I
think it may be on the table, I don't know.
But at the end of the day, as much as

(37:10):
Thug try to stand on the cold and turn the
money down, turn the friendship down down there rip everything
he worked for for the last fifteen years down. The
only thing he had was gun on the outside. But
because a street code, I'm cutting it off. That's poising,
he poising. My Well, it's over with. I'm cutting it
off for the street code. Then I get out and

(37:31):
they hold the same street code. Man, all this shit
started to sound stupid to me. This is where the
street shit come from. Because I financially provided a system infrastructure.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
For it to become a millionaire. I didn't benefit from it.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
I got a bond from it, but we didn't necessarily
benefit from it. Nobody's disputed that. Now, if they disputed that,
that's another thing. But nobody's disputed that thug didn't necessarily
benefit from the gun of relationship from a financial perspective.
So we went into this on some street shit. I

(38:07):
took you in on some street shit, and then I
try to uphold the street code. Come out of jail
to spent all my goddamn money. That don quieted my
career down. I put myself, set myself back. I'm on probation.
I cut off the only thing making money for the
street code. Most of these had the same corner store
with it. They read it on them, the same Kroger,

(38:29):
the same city, the same clubs, And he said, oh shit,
you're gonna look up and be the only one standing
on it.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
I told y'all, i'vene been through it. I've been through it.
You're gonna look up. You the only still standing on
real shit.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Everybody else donfolded, and they don't put the excuse it
in their pocket. Whatever that excuse be, they can justify
and they move on with their life and time going
time going, time go. And now you're dealing with the
heartbreaker what if and what could? And what thow man?
So again that's the part that they said. It's detrimental
to the mindset, the mind frame, the mentality. And so

(39:08):
not only are you dealing with that thug is in
a situation where again I've dissolved or deals with the
guy as it pertains to money being made. I haven't
oddity in anything. Just based on the street code. I
beat the case of mouth based on the street code.
I quit with him. They don't even talk about their sacrificing.
I ain't heard one to even talk about that man.
Thug wildn't even take the money. And that's why others

(39:31):
who standing with him, they gotta stand on that.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
And so if we're doing that, we're doing that.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
And so again, undoing this is way more complex than
just y'all hugging. You get what I'm saying. On top
of that, Thug is dealing with some people he truly
loves his father. Is someone Thug loves his father, He
loves his family. Some of them people still are off
with Gunner.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
So what do you do when.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
You're a multi million dollar Your family is all you got,
Your family is all.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
You got them for. Won't let gonna go. You gotta
fight through that.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
I gotta fight through the street code, fight through the
money I could have made, fight through and all this
all come on my knee. Y'all ain't even talking about
this part, uh, And so this ain't just snitch and talk.
This is my sacrifice. You prospered and you moved on,
and so you just gonna move on. And so we
ain't gonna recognize to provide an in balance that was
there when we started this thing of ours, all the

(40:28):
sacrifices I made with you, right, I turned you all
the way up. And I know you might feel like that,
but I ain't heard it from you. And if you
gotta undo that we got a lot of shit to undo,
and they gonna see all this shit in real time.
This shit is crazy. But the streets ain't worth nothing.
I've been telling it that below my pay grade, and
I get it. When you say streets, you gotta be

(40:51):
intentional with it. Some of the rules, some of the
cold some of the bylaws, some of the behavior that
keeps you going back and forth to PRIs and some
of the murders and families that's been affected by, some
of the irrational behavior over streets that people don't own,
over colors and bandanahs that's only sold even in these neighborhoods.

(41:12):
You can't buy a bandann in Bellevue. You can't buy
bandwn in Green Hills. You understand me, And so you
start to notice things, And so if I'm thug, I'm
looking at y'all, say how much y'all want me to
lose on the streets. I love the streets. I come

(41:33):
from the streets, the inner city, I come from it.
How much y'all want me to lose for I lost
my empower, lost all my homeboys, I lost my twin,
my best friend, I didn't get no business. I'm on
probation and so if I'm thug and I look at
my life, because he probably one of the only rappers
that really don't been through some street. So now he
get to look at his life through a lens that

(41:54):
a lot of guys who come from the street now saying, Ah,
this shit waged more serious than what people were saying
it is. So now if I if I really stand
on street cold, I gotta cut my father off. I
gotta cut that person off to do music where I
cut that produce off, I gotta cut this. I gotta
cut They want me to lose everything off of street
code that will give me nothing.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
The street code to give me nothing. At this level,
it's equivalent to mountain climbing.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Some bag is saved you at the bottom and kill
you at the top and weigh you down at the top.
You gotta share certain street shit as you get more
and more money, as you get more older, you gotta
shed certain shit. You keep your integrity and morals intact.
But you said certain shit as you get further up
the mountain. These are still climbing with souvenirs from the streets.

(42:45):
You climb with essentials, things that's gonna help you where
you're going to where you at. You don't climb with
no bunch of souvenirs. You need a harders, right, You
still holding on all this shit?

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Man?

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Listen, man, the same cold that made sense on the
corner though, Man, he don't make sense in the corporation. Man,
it's so the streets campaign. You gotta be clear with
your message. You cannot oversimplify this message. You're under explain
it all right.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I love this depth.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
If I was I'd be like, I love this to depth.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
But I can't trust you, bro, because when I was
at my Lord, you chose you instead of us, right,
you know what I'm saying. However, we look at it
if you're right or wrong whatever he said, And that's
whatever to me. That's how I would feel. And I
done went out there too far to turn against you. Like,
but I look at Gunna on.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
The other head like, I don't think that's that. That
was slying real feelings though.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
I don't either, I know. But he went out there
like that.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Yeah, he went out there after some out of time
because he got pissed off.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
Now he went thrill.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
No he didn't.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
He went out there from jail.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
He went out there. Yeah, you're talking about in that way.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
I'm talking about when he got out, when he had
the opportunity confused him just saying rap rap rat is gunna.
Gunn ain't the only that told on that case. So
every time he said rat, they just automatically applied to
the gunner. He ain't really start saying specific till later, Bro,
And I feel like he did that because he, like
my goddamn daddy, put us in a group chat and

(44:09):
you ain't saying nothing. I don't got to respond to
the group chat first. You did me wrong, So you like,
this is what problems be, Bro. The little brother always
struggled with being able to be like take they discipline
as the little brother cool with being a little brother
when his money success, when they up, it's like, no,

(44:33):
I'm a man too. Yeah you're a man, but you
still love brother. So you're supposed to come back around.
Take your whatever your discipline is your God damn.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Speaking about the little brother conversation, I want to have
a quick dialogue about the savage tweets between him future
and then Thug and all of that. So twenty one
savage numbers were reported, and they were fifty nine thousand
for the first week, and then there was a tweet
by Future they said biggest in this shit, And then

(45:02):
there was a tweet by twenty one Savage that said
the realist in this shit the biggest change out the time,
which is true. I want to talk about some of
that today. When I first seen that, I saw the
blog page just start to repost it, and people were
tagging me like, what's going on with this man?

Speaker 3 (45:17):
What's up with you? Know how?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
You know, just inter and that shit going on? And
so I looked at it. Future done pulled off on
everybody that's clip for Future. Gotta be careful that he
don't make me pull a we don't trust you on
you right, kind of like the move that they pulled
on Drake because you the helder Statesman. We're looking for
some big homie moves from you at this point. We're

(45:39):
looking for you to wrap your arms around because it
ain't just hip hop is this shineas. We need a
big homie like you that's in that kind of position.
And they've been getting money a long time. One of
the mortality artists that we have in the South can
peep with them up north. We make them all respect
you at least I do when I go to conversations
and they go highly top five, they got to throw
something from the South that it's just how we moving

(46:01):
right respectfully too, because I know it's talent all around
the world, but this is just the game I'm playing.
So we make them put your name, if nothing else
in their top five in the game and they say
at any time, right, So we looking for us A
big homie moves that made a lot of money. It
ain't just a Lona, It ain't just the South. Hip
hop has lost the sense of community. Everybody want to

(46:24):
be bosses. Me, Mik and Quavo was talking the other
day behind the scenes at the Thud concert, and I'm
asking them why we ain't seeing a Why Sale, CBFW, Dreamchaser,
Migo Tour or some shit like why we ain't seen
like the rough Ride of Cash Money shit like what's
going on? Anybody's striking out on their own because they
trying to make as much as they can. We gotta

(46:47):
start back having fun and create moments like some of
the shit that go viral. Now, man, you will see
all them on the stage together. Them is the times
that everyone has to get back to. I think we
fractured the market, and so we need like future to
let shit back together. He the only person that got
the influence, got the catalog, got to reach, got the music.
Not the only person, but in one of the four fathers.

(47:08):
So I would say, as an elder statesman, I'm looking
for some of that. So when I see them kind
of tweets, I be disappointed, But I also know, Yo,
we poppingized.

Speaker 5 (47:17):
No.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
I worked hard for this. We was all in competition.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
We all in competition at the end of the day,
but we in a fraction market, and we gotta be
careful that we don't turn the same people on us
because we all share the same infrastructure. You being ain't
worth nothing, ain't no gas station in the community. We
all work together, you see what I'm saying, And so
I try to try to tell that the infrastructure is important.

(47:40):
They gotta make sure they loon get these kind of interviews,
these kind of looks when I'm backstage at the concert.
They got to make sure they locked me with Spotify,
lock me with Apple intentional because what we're doing is
we building infrastructure. So when they close the door on us,
we can climb back in through the wonder because one

(48:03):
thing for show, two things for certain. They'll lock you
out this stadium. As Steve mcnell. If your production go down,
your productivity go down.

Speaker 5 (48:13):
Man.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
People don't feel from highre my net. We've saw people
like Prince and Michael Jackson have to fight in this industry.
We got to keep that in mind. We build something beautiful.
Let's not tag down because the egos and things. I'm
speaking out of love, I'm speaking from information perspective. You
understand me, because again, it's not just Atlanta. Look at
what they say about the Shisteed Bag and Big thirty.

(48:39):
It's all around this shit, Bro, Jim Jones, Max Big
Camera Like, It's just it's all around in the industry. Man,
we're lacking community and it's hurting our infrastructure. We all
gonna always make money, but bro, we got to make
sure that the people who are in position can put
others in position and make sure that not to rock
the boat. And so let me clear if I both

(49:00):
sides of this has done a terrible job. I think
to hel the statesman in the game who understands what
the young boys is trying to push for you guys
to intentionally misunderstand it for whatever cloud reasons or whatever
it is that you got going on. Some of you
as old men too, I'm gonna get at that. But
at the same time, I do believe the rappers have

(49:20):
to have counsel, they have to have advisors. You got
to have people around you that understand things that you
haven't encounter.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
And this is not an ego thing, and this ain't
a big looking anything. This is just about information. It's
too much money at stake.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Right.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
When you got dummies around you, you risk everything you
work for. You understand me, So you got to put
people around you that know something about something, you know
what I mean, People that really win it, done something
with something right, started with nothing, know what it's like. Right,
I'm saying, some of y'all got people around you that's
gonna lead you into a war. They ain't willing to fight.
They gonna sit back and watch you drown. They'll sit

(49:55):
back and watch you go to war. And they ain't
gonna fight the war with you, but they'll lead you
into the wars. They even play the drums in the background.
You can even hear war cris coming from them, but
they won't participate. You gotta be careful, so That's all
I'm saying. And also with the rappers, you can't oversimplify
such a complex message. And if you do plan on simplifying,
you gotta really sit down and come up with how
you gonna do that.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Right.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
The streets is not a place though, and so there's
a lot of people out there that's going back and
forth many eve rap right. We ain't letting no escape
the cold. We ain't letting no escape the integrity side
of it. Listen, cain't no rapper change that. Them rap
boys know that you ain't got to even tell them that.
They know they ain't bigger than the program. They don't
even you understand me. They know they influential, got money,

(50:39):
they really, but they know they ain't over the program.
So for people to try to even twist it like
that for me is irresponsible. And then what hurst my
heart is is because I'm in the game. I left
the game, right, and I left with no scars. I
left with the prize. Yeah, I left with it. So
I don't really be wanting to hear none about nothing, right.

(51:01):
I ain't come in this big and barn and stealing,
and I ain't come crawling, So I don't got that
kind of vibration about me.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
I don't care who you is or where you're from.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
And I'm especially disappointed in some of y'all that I
know is real ones that really don't been through something,
because I understand in this game there's a lot of rappers,
and it's a lot of acting like they've been a
part of things entertainment introduce them into the world and
the lifestyle. They just got the top of the life.
They ain't get all the way to the roots. They
ain't go all the way. They ain't have to climb

(51:32):
out to mon volcano. So I get that, But y'all
that don't really win and face charges. You really had
to go down the road and leave your children. You
really don't sacrifice your career and coming back with this
message is irresponsible. Now Seven's done a bad job with

(51:52):
presenting it, but you done an even worse job with
being big homies in the situation. It wasn't even three
weeks ago. I was just arguing with y'all white about yo.
It's a lot of mascots in the game. They on
the team, they in the sport, and they argue me
up and down this day and age. They don't let
rappers be mascots. But that's a different story. What hurts

(52:15):
my heart and hurts my feelings is because I know
every I know that went down the road and done
thirty years about this street shit stood tall, ain't never
told on nobody faces clean, every every single one of
us that come up in the game understand the game
price tag is too much savage, oversimplifying the message, and

(52:41):
so it made it feel like the streets is a place.
The streets ain't a place. The streets is a price tag.
A lot of you the ain't paid nothing for that
street label. You need to shut your mond mouth.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
A lot of you.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I've been bearing my friends since I was fifteen years old,
before real culture. I've been burying caring caskets since a
sixteen year old boy. I look at my children and
I couldn't imagine them having to go through that.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
And y'all telling me the streets paint good enough.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Everybody talk about what the streets made them, and that's
why it is offended, because the streets made us what
we are.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Nobody talks about what the streets stopped them from being, though,
and so there's a flip side and instead of us
start this fight between one another. We gotta understand that
there's a mission in place. There's things that needs to happen.
Number One, you can't you can't override the program. Young,
you young powerful. We love y'all, our children, love y'all,

(53:44):
y'all some of the right We with that, but you
can't override the program. You gotta have old geez real
in the building with sins two right, and then on
the other side, you old that want to just connect
from my youth for any little misunderstanding when they going
through it in real time. I always said this and

(54:06):
get and listen. You hit me in this episode explained
how much they want thrug to give to the streets.
All bullshit acide we talking my street code. This is why,
this is why SEVA is coming out with the street shit,
because it's starting to make Man, this shit, Man, this
price tag too much. Man, what they won't God damn

(54:26):
if I'm young thug man. I went and made gun
to menion and I ain't make nothing. I ain't make
what I was suposed to make. I ain't do the
industry standard deals. I ain't get no money like I
was supposed to get off of them. I embraced him,
put him on records. You know what it took me
to get where I'm at. I've been through three four, five,
six bad deals. This shit wasn't built like it was
when these come in and get the money. They first

(54:48):
deal was golden, some of them to rich, homie quawns,
the young thugs them had to go through bad deals,
the reds, Deshawnce they got. Man, come on, man, if
you don't understand how the infrastructure was built, and this
the found dation, it's standing on Gucci and them trying
to figure it out.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Pete trying to figure it out. Coach, jeez, everybody.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Right, it's a lot going on, and so thug get
in a situation where I fight through all that and
still come out rich. A lot of these niggas buried
in bad deals. You never heard of them again. You
get them one two singles day out of here. We
fall through every bad deal. Finally got on, gained the
worldwide audience. People fell in love with the movement. I

(55:29):
bring this young man on, behalf of a real n
I make him a million.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Now. I started throwing them.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
I started putting him on songs with Travis Scott Guccie man.
They don't know who he is, but I believe in him,
and the homie brought him to me, and we honor that.
No matter how big we get in this game, we
hon a real That's why I can call Spider and
as I can call Wham, I can call some of
these and they gonna get it done.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
No matter how big they is, they honor real Nie.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
So when a real nick put you next to him
right now with this, I turned him my all way up,
change his whole life. We end up catching the case.
They got him on one or two counts. He get
down through there. He ended up slipping up telling on me.
He get down through that. His lawyer's them end up
putting him in a trick bag. He ended up going

(56:17):
to court saying something I'm battling with turning him all
the way up, sitting in jail. And now when I
get out, they want me to apologize to him. Now
what I done? Gave a street code. I done lost
little key, I lost Gunner, I lost my whole label.
I lost two years of my life, prime time in
my career. I damned near lost my old lady. I
lost friends in this. I lost my baby.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Mother.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
I had to bury people from the endside. How much
y'all want me to get a street cold? And I
try to get out of jail and not even take
no money. Let him go, still on the street cold.
Now still on the street cold. But this shit starting
to the price tag starting to shit. Man, if anybody
looked at the price taking the street code shit.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
We've been talking to all our life and as you
get older, all of us go through this. I don't
know no big homies.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
It maybe I come from a thorough city because I
don't know no big homies that win it done. Thirty
years in the fairs. Every single one of them is
saying preaching against the game. I don't know nobody that said.
These rapness is masquerade.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Man. These rapness is masquerade. Man.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
You understand, and I with some of these, but all
of this, come on, man, let's keep it real with
each other.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
We love the streets, We from the streets. We are
the streets.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
The streets is not just one thing, but that's a
part of the streets that has indoctrinated the entire generation.
Kind of these fighting against that. We don't buy past
the colds. Nobody a brought the program won't buy past
the colds. The cold is the cold. What it is is,

(57:58):
what it is, ain't Nobody never looked at the price tag.
You need just spelling the cold. Ain't now one of
you paid for that would be with me. And then
when I look around and see the rappers that I
know to.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Be real coming out and trying.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
To act like the streets is a beautiful thing as
there a lot of times these facing trial, they do'e
lost their families.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
But I get it.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
You can't denounce the streets because then they make it
feel like everything that you work for was for nothing.
And that's why you got to have your communication skills
up when you had these kind of conversations. Young brothers.
You can't just run around pelling this kind of shit.
You need like the prime minister in the building, right,
we gotta think about these kind of things. This is

(58:44):
a whole put their life on the line for this.
So when you denounce it, you got to have clear instruction.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
You got to have.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Interpretation of what it's gonna be received. As homie, it
hurt my heart to see something they paid.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
The most price, too.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Paid all they been on death row and been going man,
come on, man, two three murder charges pop out. We
love the streets. What you had to kill? You once
loved your homeboy tried to rob you, you end up
killing him. You said, dinners with your mother, knew some
of these people you ended up in wars against. And

(59:26):
so these that they have been on death row, they
coming out and saying shit. But you know, I try
to explain to people, man, that the relationship that some
of us have with the quote unquote streets is it's
like a toxic provider. It's like really high highs and

(59:48):
really low lows. But there is countless times where I
have operated outside of the streets and understood that. Now,
the only that gives me the edge on all of
these people is because I'm from the street. Because I
can learn everything that they know. It's send books somewhere.
They've all been academically trained, So I can find a

(01:00:10):
person that knows what they know, or find books or
find courses. I can find the information they know, the
things that I've encountered. The skill said that I've developed
because of the streets, they could never get. And so
it gives me an edge just the way that I
view life and how I interface with some of the

(01:00:31):
interactions that you will see me positioned in. But no
sign into the streets is worse than signing to the labels.
If we're being real, The streets charge you for everything. Man,
ain't no free lunch in the streets. I don't care
what it looked like. And so we appreciate the lessons.

(01:00:52):
We appreciate everything the streets has been able to teach us.
But we got to get some information. We talking legacy talk, man,
we're talking getting money. And so from my understanding of
what he was saying, he wasn't denouncing the streets. You
can't denounce the streets. A rapper can't denounce the streets.
For those industries. You know that you see the it's

(01:01:14):
a lot of real thing' even we bruh salute to
them rapping. Let them change the youth mind. Can't stay
out two and three years. Man, This street cycle shit
is ain't worth nothing, but the CODs is worth everything.
And so all of y'all, of my little brothers, all
of y'all, all of y'all is even on both sides.

(01:01:36):
With all of y'all, I'm just giving the game. I'm
here to get a game. I'm a little old I'm
an elder statesman, and so you dig what I'm saying.
My position is to try to break it down. Hopefully
everybody gets something from it. But at the end of
the day, man, as much as I've seen a lot
of news come out and speak on behalf of the streets,

(01:01:57):
and I understand it because again, if these he don't
push back on the saying the streets, it feels like
everything they ever live for, the dead homies, the jail stints,
all of this shit meant nothing. We can't let nobody
say that because it's our war wounds. It costs more
letting it get away with that, right, So you gotta

(01:02:19):
explain it like Tupac explained thug life, like Tupac explain
n I g g A right. You gotta put an
explanation behind some of your statements. That's why I'm saying,
outlet o freestyling, you gotta button it up. There's too
much money at stake, this legacy we're dealing with, and
so I'm just talking as an elders somebody that just
give a game. But I just think you can't oversimplify

(01:02:42):
the message. I understood what he was saying because we
high leveled it, and we gotta address some of what
the streets has done to us Dog and it's done
to the coach and done to the community. But it's
gonna take me they can understand and articulate. And you know,
I wish every body of the best. I hope every
better win. Right, I'm looking at it for what it's worth,

(01:03:04):
and I'm saying this here, nothing is bigger than your integrity.
And it's been a billion dollars worth of game for sure,
And so with future, I'm just putting that bug in
his ill to just pay attention because competition is a
more just pay attention to some of your moves. And

(01:03:25):
but I'm just saying, right, just putting some game down.
But as I'm looking at Savage, I know Savage is genuine,
and I know he rocked with Doug. I know he
wish Sline, he wish Spider, and so we have the commonality.
So I always view him from that perspective, and I
always remember, like anytime he's speaking, he's trying to speak

(01:03:45):
on behalf of the infrastructure that they've built. These young niggas,
hubbs man, These ain't artists, these is young these is hubs.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
These nigs.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Is all kind of shit is going on from each
one of these gentlemen, powerful people. But I just want
us to go back to the days of camaraderie, unity,
making content, having good conversations, smiling, laughing and making money,
dancing right and just doing things of that nature. Bro,
I think we've we veered off the road, you know

(01:04:18):
what I'm saying. And yeah, so the streets campaign, man,
I just wanted to put some clarity around it that
it's never the streets as it pertains to the people.
It's the streets as it pertains to the perspective, the
mind state, the mindset. We have to get with our
communicators and our orators in this culture and make sure
that when we are going to position these kind of narratives,
we do it in a way that's conducive to the

(01:04:40):
people that's watching. Also the people who are intentionally trying
to misrepresent what you're saying for the sake of financial
gain or just to you know, be a contrarian. But
you got to make sure to count for damn near
everybody when you come out and make a statement of
that magnitude, And it's never about cursing the trapped people
it's about cursing the trap, and so I see how

(01:05:02):
it come off his friendly fire. But I asked that
y'all be patient. I asked that y'all be patient. These
guys are dealing with this in real time, dealing with
what the streets do to all of us in real time,
in front of the world. And they're young, and so
you know, put them in a position to get them grace.
They do lead our youth out of their mind virus,

(01:05:23):
and so y'all give grace to the young lords. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
It's another episode of It's Up There Podcast. I see
y'all in a few days.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
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y'all let them know you was there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
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