Benzino EXPOSES 50 Cent, Coi leray Pregnancy, The Truth on Eminem, Vlad, XXL, & Source Awards

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Did Eminem fifty sent killed or saw nothing take credit
for it?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
God bless so fifty.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Congrats on your star man.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
Hollywood is making official what I knew from the beginning.

Speaker 4 (00:09):
And its fifty involvement in this situation.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Unfortunately, for some people, it's tough to accept that you
got a white artist that does it better than black artists.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
If a person defends that music, we ain't even the
same nig that's just trash, bro.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
I want to know, do you hate Emminem.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm got none against some of them, none against some
of the event can rap. It's only his face is
going to pop up because he sold all the record.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
But I was amazed that your ego had you trying
to go rap like bawful ball right, I'm an ego like.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
I always wondered, like where it started from?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
And then I felt that he was just getting a
special treatment as a white you know, as a white rapper.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
I don't want to be your cloud kit. I don't
want to be a cloud kid.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I'd rather us again, just hit me offline, hit our family,
and other than that.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
I know your relationship with Carla Ray been public.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
The new generation of kids make it public, you know,
they want everything public on that today.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Do you feel disrespected when she said she disowned you
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
It's disappointed, It's disappointment.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Are you proud that the source of awards is considered
the most dangerous awards show?

Speaker 4 (01:24):
And he's considered considered about who?

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Bos Love said that the hip hop he loved died
at the ninety five Social Awards.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
That's the hell of a statement.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Do you know of the footage about I think it's
in Beef one or two.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
What sticky fingers shot a gun.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
At that moment? I was I didn't see him do it.
I heard it when I was on the side of
the stage. I heard. I was like, oh, there was
a lot of tints between not just West Coast and
East Coast, but it was a lot of different cruises.
You gotta realize the ninety five a lot of these
artists the first time they're even seeing each other.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Let's talk about the documentary for a minute. What's the
focus of it.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Is it just that night?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
You'd understand Sube Knight. You know we got countless interviews
with him that night, personal interviews. That night is when
hip hop was just more than just New York.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Back then what was jade z n did it? Like
what they?

Speaker 2 (02:20):
What they? I didn't, I didn't know. You know, both
of them were quiet. They've dealt with the business on
them and I'm sure you know they had their big
ego driven to we all egos.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
They knew who I was. You know what I'm saying
the same.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
How do you fund the money up?

Speaker 5 (02:32):
Though?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
I didn't somebody up. I spent it and and and help. No, no, no,
not really, because you know the object of life is
to live. You know what I'm saying. I lived it.
I lived at a hell of a run.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Live and keep living though yeah I'm still living, still living.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
But you was.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
You was in front of Jay and Diddy.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Think about that statement you took off and you was
in front of all of them niggas, right, and you say,
I'm a street I'm a hustler from the street.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
It ain't no way I play.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Shit happens. And you know, you know, I helped a
lot of people. I gave away a lot of money.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Digital a lot.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Man, man boy, Robin Hood ain't got ship on the zeaster.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Believe that, Yeah, man, I gave away I was man.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
I was very very generous to a lot a lot
of people.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
Man, you know what I'm saying. And you know what.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
My mentality where I made a mistake was I took
the super street mentality of anytime I got up, anytime
I got my bag, I would take my profit off
top and go fut off, get a bunch of night ship,
and then go bring the plug his from the from
because I was such a hustler that I knew that
I could go back tomorrow and get it again. And
that's how I just looked at life. It wasn't me.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
I'm the re up king. Like if soon I get
enough to re up, I won't want product.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Then I want money.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
When I'm in the street, I've always been in I
want I want more product than I want money because
the product gets my money.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
I always I just I just was always in that
I'm going to get more it because I don't. It
don't matter because I'm always gonna. I'm always gonna, Like
I just, man, that's what I'm saying. Man, I always
got money. Man, getting money was never a problem, even
like right now, like even in the situation. Man, I
you know what I'm saying, I don't punch, No, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, but it was a mold time I'm talking about
in front of.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Didn't know what I'm saying. Something. A lot of these
multi millionaires ain't got ship that happens, but they wanted
the head and no butter understand. But you gotta understand
it's hard being a mult time millionaire when you got
too many family members and too many nicks. Ain't got shit.
And if you know, back then, I gave a fuck.
I cared. I cared too much about everybody around me.
I can't explain it, but money never made me. Money

(04:40):
come and go. I'm still here, healthy, healthy, and better
shape than I've ever.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah, you take you take care of yourself, better.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Shape than I've ever been. I'm healthy, I'm happy and peaceful.
You know what I'm saying, Like God is good man,
I have nothing, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
So you don't never think about their money that you
should invest me.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
You should have a couple of times sometimes you do,
you normal, But on the most part, I really don't
think about too much. I just don't because now life
is so much different from back then. It's really hard
to kind of correlate too of today's life and back
then like not just the money wise, like everything's different,
you know what I'm saying. So it really is like
two different planets. I'm just in this transition now and

(05:19):
I got to find out the ways to make it work.
And I got some things in the pot.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
And young as to make a dollar that ain't it
ain't Nobody never dispute a question. And I just me
being from where I'm from, coming from nothing, you know
what I'm saying. My mother working hard as she could,
made sure we was a little man.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I took it, you know what I mean. It's like
family friends. I bought everybody all kindish, I mean big
shit and not little shit like I was. I was
a big ship.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
And of them hip You back what you bad.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Caused jewelry money, you know what I'm saying. I mean
bills everything, the women I was with jewelry money, that's
I mean. Just my kids spoiled the heat out of
my kids, you know what I mean. And just you
know what I'm saying, look at it. I mean it
just I watched my father do that. I watch him
be very generous. Man. I kind of took that out.

(06:09):
I learned later that that that necessarily wasn't the greatest
move because you know later on, you know when when
you know when when.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
They could be in a position to help you, they don't,
you know.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
But see that's the part where I get that to God,
because I truly believe that that that doesn't go unnoticed.
I really believe that you shouldn't feel anyway, and you
shouldn't feel spiteful eventuful. Just know that you did it
and it's gonna come in different ways.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
And that's as rough. It's how that's just how I feel.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
That's rough, though.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Did you did you ever feel like do you remember
the moment when you felt like I'm broke? Not that
I can't make a dollar. These are quite different thing.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Because I always was that just blew money, Like I
was really blown money fast. BM is like like I
just always anybody that I knew, you know, you would tell
him he's been like that.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
From day one.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
I just was I love nice things. I love you
know what I'm saying. I was like I was so
I could name the celebrities I was. I mean, I
was the top for a few years.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
I was. I had the owner of.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
The Source magazine and Source high wards and had a
hit record like that. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Ye, Ship, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
I lived, I lived. I lived. I didn't with people
like you lost, I lose ship. I spent it and
lived great. I was doing amazing ship on a daily,
minutely basis. You know what I'm saying that, And you
can't take that from me. That happened. See, that's what
life is. We all gonna die, but there's gonna be
a period of life where you're gonna have a hell

(07:48):
of a run. I had minds, I still were allied
in me. You know what I'm saying. So Ship that happened,
You know, the resume stays, it stands. You know what
I'm saying. Of course, as black people were not good
with money, and guess why that is because of the
situation that these moments don't put us in. But I
lived and I learned, and you know what I'm saying.

(08:10):
I'm definitely but.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
At some point, I know reality kicked in. You're like, yo,
I can't spend money, Like the only kicks.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
In of what what I gotta worry about right now?

Speaker 5 (08:19):
That's my reality now.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
So you're telling all reality, no moment, the past, the
past that I swear to God, I'm not lying. The
past is not reality no more.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
No, I'm telling my in that moment, like I'm wondering
if in your life was it two thousand and six where.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
You like, damn the lifestyle gotta change.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
I got a down grade house. I still was. I
still have bad bites.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, we're gonna still spoke a good weed.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I still was.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
When did you downgrade your homes?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
And yeah, but that's just it, that's just it. Like
I used to I never did you ever had I
never did? Yeah? Of course two of them in Jersey,
one for me and my name and one for my family,
fake stupid ones next to Russell Simmons and job and
see in why Cleifforld. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying.
But you know what I mean, Like I was all
I was living in hotels more than anything that was

(09:03):
my family. I was on the road all my life.
I was staying at hotels all my life, from motels
to the most amazing hotels you could think of, my
whole life. So I didn't see the difference, you know
what I'm saying. When that shit happened, Dave might have
been up, but the man when that when we lost
the sauce. I moved to Miami. We lost everything. I
moved to Miami. I still was paying my rent. I
had a nice little house with a little pool in

(09:24):
Hollywood for California. Man, I was still going to strip club,
still on it. Like what the fuck do I gotta
be up? So how long for a minute?

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Yeah, it's like.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Then we started hip Hop Weekly. I came in and
I came up. Look I killed with hip Hop Weekly.
Wasn't getting the money to sauce? You?

Speaker 3 (09:38):
You and you showed you the owners that after that,
these are important.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
That's what I'm looking for.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
What happened after that?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Like how you maintained life?

Speaker 4 (09:48):
And I'm sure that was the thirst to maintain their lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yes, invented hip Hop Weekly, and we ended up putting
the magazine out. We tried to do the week. That
was hardest, but we managed to do it two weeks
and we did it through the incend. We did something
that nobody even understood to put a magazine out because
you have a time limit. We did it by having
editors all over the place and like nobody we had.
We didn't even have an office, and we did that

(10:12):
shit every two weeks and put out seven years of
Hip Hop Weekly.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
Bro. It was amazing, Like, for.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Real, was it in those stands or just all all
over the new stands everywhere? It was in the jails.
People loved hip Hop Weekly? Damn?

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Who was in that with you?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Huh? Who was who was in that with?

Speaker 6 (10:28):
It?

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Was me and Dave? Me David. We hired my Ma
and Kavario, you know what I'm saying. And we hired
a Citia Horner Sonny from from the Food Network. Salute
to her. She's doing amazing things, like you know what
I'm saying, Like I was hiring everybody I was hiring
in jail, giving them journalists.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
Why don't you have like a network, TV something?

Speaker 2 (10:48):
What I mean?

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Did you get any information from all of this?

Speaker 2 (10:53):
So you know right now you know how to run
all that shit?

Speaker 5 (10:57):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (10:57):
You know what I'm saying. But but it's like it's
like Dave, Dave, a lot of people don't want to
for streeting now, A lot of people don't want to
fight with niggas that that they might.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
Be literally and scared of. See Dave wasn't Dave.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
We bonded and when hit everything grew, Dave came to me,
and even when he gave me fifty percent of fucking
Source magazine, it wasn't making no money. At ninety four,
I wasn't getting no money, you know what I'm saying.
I just was that, yeah, because I had to look
out for Dave. I was Dave's front end, his muscle.
And then I started learning new shit to wheres that
my mind? Because I was hip hopping. I started actually

(11:36):
making amazing things happening where I was surprising myself, like
damn that. Once I started, you know, doing actual shit
that was outside of street shit, then that's when I
was like, oh, yeah, come on that. And I didn't
get credit for it, but I wasn't looking for it.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
What I'm hearing from you is that that you were
around Source from day one, but you wasn't participating from
a business perspective.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
He was really nothing to participate with me in it
from until I would say that until I started like
really getting involved with the Soul Swords, which was around
ninety four ninety five.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
But if he if he giving you fifty percent, and
that means something was established.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Right, That's what I'm saying, right that he was like
I was with him the whole time. And I told you,
like he was staying in my apartment when he was
bagging the magazine. Who was best friends?

Speaker 1 (12:24):
But on paper he was one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
But he no, no, he was. He had partners. Remember
those guys. He bought him out of ninety four when
everybody walked out when he put the article in bold.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Okay, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
So then he gave me fifty percent because he was
one hundred percent. It was like, yo, and this before.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Any reattraction is happening.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, it wasn't really no money being made. He was like, bro,
you want to I was like do why not?

Speaker 4 (12:45):
I wonder how he feels about that move.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I mean, listen, look at we We did amazing things together.
I was a major part of those millions. Bob Johnson
who sold Beat the three hundred million, flew us up
there and offered us fifty five million dollars cash in
his office. I did that, me and Dave together, like
that was me. There wasn't no source without me. I

(13:11):
was unorthodox and how I did ship but I but
it didn't matter. I wasn't up there. I didn't have
to be the poster boy because I was getting money,
and I was happy, and everybody around was he and
we was It was an amazing thing.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Could you have learned more?

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Though? No, I've learned. I learned a lot. I've learned
a lot. There was nothing else. How can you I
learned and taught.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
How can you be learning the business side of it
when you partying, buying ship, spending the money?

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Because no, no, see, because the business side of it
for me was to take let Dave do it.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
It sounded like every time we say something.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
No, no, no, because I just told you I was
quarterbacking Dave. Dave didn't do ship. I was making all that.
I told you that. We just spoke on it. I said,
I was everything that major developments and sort.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
On the creative side.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
You were like, well, that's the that's not knowing, that's
talent side. I'm my administrative They won't care of that.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yes, but it don't work. You don't get money unless the.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Magazine you straight about that.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, but I'm saying, imagine being the CEO of Fredo Laser.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Now that's stop my but that's not my lane. I'm
not I didn't go Dave went to Harvard for that.
Let Dave do that let's let your partner do that.
You And so if they were more.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Knowledge of bod, you couldn't stopped him from doing that
twelve million dollar shit.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
You do it right right. I wasn't with it, but
I trusted him. I wasn't with it after twelve million,
you know what I'm saying. You know, you know what
I'm saying. Of course, it's that that money's going towards
the sauce whatever. But I didn't know it. I didn't
trust it, but he did it, and I had and
I had to roll with it, just like the ship
that I did.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
He wrote the five I mean the five mics.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Now imagine that Dave went to Harvard and made that
decision and and and it wasn't a good decision. But
that don't make Dave wrong, for it.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Was what was the decision you made that wasn't so
didn't pan out for the.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Beefing with Eminem and that involved the man.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
So you do acknowledge the companiment.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
I mean, I acknowledged that part of it, But that's
all right because there was many more decisions that I
made that made that shit great and gave the culture
much shit. So I don't I don't get down on
it on decision. Nobody's perfect. We all gone.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Did Eminem and fifty cent kill the sauce?

Speaker 2 (15:18):
I told you that did that?

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, but they they take they take credit for that.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Let them take credit for it. God bless they'll.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Respond to it.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
I just want you, I want your thoughts as the CEO.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Respond to it, No that they but they did it.
The response is that he took out a loan for
twelve million and we lost the source because it ballooned
up to thirty million for sauce dot com? Did did Eminem?
Did you? Guys? Ever?

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Well know the beef was too hot for y'all to
want to do business with dre fifty inn of them.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Because they all liaked up with ex excel and they
was all dealing with that at that point.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
So good right now? Source versus xx saal?

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Who would you says? No verses? There's no verses were
the first They came after us.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
You don't think that there was a source of verse sons?

Speaker 2 (15:59):
It was a is how could in verse? How could
you reverse something that copied everything from you? If somebody
came in here right now, put a table over there
and bore the same thing you was and then put
it but then caught it something else. What you're gonna say,
that's what they did.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
So you're minimizing a double XL to the knockout.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Surce you God damn, there's no minimization. There was our sons.
There was a copycat. The guy that rant it was
working for us for five years. The people that owned
it owned Golf Fisher magazines. There was white guys that
wasn't even in the culture. Mmm.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Next, Ellie Wilson says that they defeated y'all.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
How did they defeat us when they started to sell
morning Yeah, but listen again, let's I know, clicks and comments.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
But Sauce Awards.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Did Elliott Wilson ever get big with ex Excel Awards?
To Elliott Wilson ever do that?

Speaker 4 (16:46):
Nah good deal with Sauce Awards in a minute.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
No no, no, no, no no no no no no, so
we can do. They was source conglomerate. We wasn't just
the magazine. We had TV shows, awards shows, multimillion dollar things.
They was a magazine that copied us. And then they
got on Eminem's dick and then they got with Jimmy
and that was it. That's the facts.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
So how do you feel about how do you feel
about Elliott Wilson.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
That's my son. I gave it. He worked, he started
his career under me. It's my son at the Source,
at Source magazine.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
My son, he's standing strong. At some point he took
over it. When he was the he was the head
hun show. He took over.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
He took ex Excel. He worked for those guys that
owned stream Filled Golf Magazine, Hunting Magazine. They are a
bunch of magazines, publishing clearing house. And then they said,
oh shit, we can do another magazine because they only
put twelve guys. There's twelve more guys to put on
the cover. Exxcel will do the same thing they do,
call the things different and just do it. That's it.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Was there a point where double XL was selling more
magazines than never ever.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
So now maybe after me and David left, but the
eighteen years we was there, never ever.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Uh, we shouldn't have a good cover.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
There's no conversation, was the conversation.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
There's no conversation.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
We was, We was more than we was more than that.
We was more than the magazine there was. There was
a magazine you know what I'm saying. Social Wars is
legendary sort all access TV legend we did, I done
legendary ship. Elliot ain't that he's not. Nobody knows Elliott A.
Thizar could walk in the airport. Don't nobody know what
the wasson. That's a fact.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
That's true. That's true, That's definitely true. But they were
able to transition though. When you guys after we left.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Listen, it was fair games, whatever you want to do.
But the eighteen years what year.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Did you leave? He was worth What year did you
guys say?

Speaker 2 (18:43):
I didn't know that about two thousand and six, I
think we was out there five oh six.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
Line Awards was in O seven as well.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
No, the last one was in oh five.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
I think was of every last one.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
I thought I've seen him with master P and I
think he said seven.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
But because we were.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
When he said it was in the around the time,
it might have been it was around that time, right.
But after we left, it was normal Source awards, no more.
Nothing we did. The last Source Awards on BT made
a couple of million dollars. You know, prior to that
us we had about seven eight Source towards me and
Dave was just investing in it. We never made no
money until the very last one.

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That's all my That's what I'm saying, saw my blueprint, bro.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
But it seems like all of your ideas that's doing
so great.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Escape Then don't escape. People take them just like anything else,
and they move on that through me. That of doing.
And I'm gonna go down to history as a legend.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yes, you and you a legend.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
I was taken legend from that.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Had you been more involved, maybe, you know, had everybody.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Did something, everybody.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
So you gotta yeahbody, what we're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
We're gonna keep worried about how I did. What you got.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
He's been watching you though.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
You got people that's learning from you, that you got,
our culture that's observing and trying to gain from your experiences.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
So to be so shut off like that, it's doing
a disservice.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
I listen, I don't live for people. You know what
I'm saying. What I did, what I did, you.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Can't beat us against eminem. And then say I don't.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Live for people.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
What do you mean us against some of them?

Speaker 2 (21:30):
I'm telling you is right, right, But I'm saying I don't.
I'm not making my decisions based on people watching not disisiency.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
I'm saying the recollect of your past and and and
what could have happened because watching you in that position, right,
I would tell.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
You don't don't get into what it should have cooked
it and don't get into the past, and I would
tell you to move forward.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Do you know that books are our history of what
has took place, That's how we learn.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
So when I go grab them, I made it. I
made history. It's called the Source magazine.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yeah, but I'm saying you made the Source of magazine
but money just to know, mon, don't know how you
got through it when you didn't when you had to
sell it.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
I don't know how you feel about double A.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
I mean, I mean, I mean that's what we're doing,
the interviews with them and have the questions here. I'm
answering the questions.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, So that's what I'm saying. But when I'm asking
you these things, you you keep saying ship like yo,
that's the past, and I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, because Neil says, no, no, no, I'm saying, I
know I'm answering every question. But you're saying, if you
are doing on certain parts of the past that can't
come back, you want me to go back. Yeah, I
could have, and I could. I don't live like that.
I wonder did you get anything from it? Are you
still operating that way?

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Because it's concerning the me to get nothing from having
millions of dollars and don't feel nothing about it.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Listen, listen, listen, listen. It's it's it's make you gotta
make it. Make the millions.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
See making the millions.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
You gotta make it when you can account, whether you
do it now or then the past before you die,
make them set out I'm making.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I making figures with this show.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
I'm just saying, oh, we may say, honey, I'm just
sending the type of money I made the millions of
the other millions and millions. It wasn't easy, but I
did it.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
And where about you keep reverting back to that I
said all the lunch in the start of the showy, right.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
But I'm just saying, nobody to take legend from.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
But no, no, no, no. But I'm saying the where the
where the miscommunication is. It's like I where I take
pride into as I made it. I accomplished it, and
I did it. So now because I don't have it
now doesn't diminish that I did it. So if somebody's
out there looking, they're like, yo, he did that, not

(23:39):
diminishing it.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Not diminishing it, but trying to provide insight to our
younger that's watching because you are elder in this game.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
So in my opinion, over communicating for.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
You is what you're supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
You're supposed to say, Man, what I should have done
while I was doing that, being this is this?

Speaker 1 (23:59):
I learned like that, I said.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
I don't do that, So you don't give a I
don't give a Just don't do that, that's all. I
don't do that and I never did it.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
I don't understand that.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
Hey, some things ain't to be understood.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
I don't understand how you don't how you don't have
any information that you want to share.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
I've shared everything you've asked me, I've answered everything, and
when you look back, you're gonna see it.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
No, I'm talking about about how you are to see of.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
The source of magazine but never had an office in
the building right the way that Dave MADEE was able
to spend the money or whoever made the decision to
spend the money going internet. And you were there and
you didn't say whatever you said or didn't I stop it?

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Okain for the fourth time, I said, I told him
I didn't. But if you fifty percent only you don't
tell him. But yeah, but I trusted him for the
fourth time. I trusted him. They did it and it
didn't work. What else do you want me to do?

Speaker 1 (24:58):
No trusting him?

Speaker 3 (24:59):
And what I'm saying the owner of the company you had,
you could say.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
No, this is it, So no I trusted.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
In question was what do you learn from being that
passive in a business worth millions of dollars is.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
On the line.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
You don't have an office.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
They're going to do a twelve million dollar internet move.
You can't tell them no.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
You give yourself four or five mics or whatever the
f you did? You throw your nuts on the table.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
So I'm saying, what did.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
You get from being that passive when that amount of money?

Speaker 2 (25:29):
The owner chat even about being passive, it's about being
a partner with somebody. And I'm trusting him and you
know what I'm saying, and that's what I did, and
that was it simple.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
The ninety four sauce of Wars is that when everything
took place, that the snoop I was ninety five ninety
five I'm sorry, ninety five sauce a war Snoop Dogg
came up out cast.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Is that the legendary night that the youngsters need.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
I'm doing the documentary I been working on for like
nine months, me and my partner, Mayor Robinson, and uh yeah,
we're doing a three part documentary. I got about two
twenty interviews from people back then. It's pretty amazing and
they'll be coming out.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yeah, do you have many of their footage from all
the footage?

Speaker 3 (26:07):
So do you still own did y'all sells my footage here?

Speaker 4 (26:13):
When you sold Source magazine to sell it?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
We we we we we we. When we owed the bank,
we gave part of our percentage to Black Enterprise. Then
it's it's something where they had three guys on the board,
me and Dave was two and they ended up taking
the bank took it. No, the Black Enterprise body.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
From the bank from us, So you did sell it?
I literally just said well, no.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
No, what what no, no, no, no, it wasn't. So
we gave you know, we sold some o percentage and
then they took it over because we we we still
wanted to be there like their partners. And then they
ended up doing like a takeover and kicking us off
the board. And they ended up taking it over.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
How did they kick you off the board?

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Well, it was a that was like a business type
of situation where you know, they've they've pretty much handled it.
But at that point, at that point, the Internet at
that point was actually knocking magazines out the things, so
here they wanted the magazine. They wanted to get rid
of me and Dave, not knowing that magazines was getting
ready to belly up in the here to anyway over

(27:14):
the same thing that Dave thought of. He was just
too soon before. See what Dave did was brilliant. He
just was five years too early, and that's what happened.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Are you proud that the Source of Awards is considered
the most dangerous awards show?

Speaker 4 (27:28):
And he's considered by considered by who?

Speaker 5 (27:31):
Who's it considered by?

Speaker 4 (27:32):
I see it online billboards?

Speaker 5 (27:34):
Do you consider it the most dangerous?

Speaker 2 (27:36):
And that's the that's a that's a funny question, how
because if you don't know who's considered it dangerous.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Why do acknowledge that certain things took place at So
it's that may have been viewed as dangerous, but that
ain't dangerous.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
No, But I'm just saying I don't I don't know
it to be viewed as the most dangerous. So I
can't answer that question, like I never I never seen that.
So it wasn't though I know it was the most
influential hip hop award show.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Was it intense at the ninety five social It definitely
was intense.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
It wasn't. No violence though, not even in fight, not
one fight, not one fight.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Do you do you know of the footage about I
think it's in Beef one or two. What Sticky Fingers
shot a gun?

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Oh yeah, that's that's danger right, Yeah, yeah, I guess
so that's.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
That's funny though, that's a funny thing.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
He shot a gun and that was crazy.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
I seen the footage that was like, like I at
that moment, I was I didn't see him do it.
I heard it when I was on the side of
the stage. I heard I was like, oh shit, so
you were shot?

Speaker 4 (28:41):
It Yeah, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, I was just so okay, let me ask you this.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
I guess this is a better question because for me,
you know, I do a festival, and I go to
a lot of these festivals, so there's different stages.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
The Social Award was one stage. All lies on this stage.
That's how it was.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
It was one stage. Year.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Bernie Mack was our first host. We gave Bernie Mack's
first hosting job.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Damn, that's dope. And rest in peace to the Great
for sure, Rest in peace Bernie.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Kevin Halt was.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
One of our ushes on one time, like running up
and down. We let him interview people before he blew.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I remember the Raids Alexander. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
We gave a lot of their guys this start like
this DJ Khaled when he was the only people who
knew him in Miami, we let him DJ.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, I gave a lot of guys they you know
what I'm saying, they start, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
They do me a favor, bro, this I think is
it made need to come this way soon because because
I'm also looking at him like he.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
Is as good I'm watching it.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, so you know, like DJ called, we let him flex,
Like we gave a lot of guys that ain't never
been on a big platform like that. They they they
chanced and they start. So you know, I was responsible
for a lot of guys getting great looks.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Have it ever been a fight at social wards?

Speaker 5 (29:53):
So you said there.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Was in the in the La, the one in LA
I think the two thousand and one it was, there
was a fight there.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, it's interesting that ninety five, with all the tension,
you know, with all the different things we hear and
see about that night that that there was nobody that
tried anything.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yeah, you know that's interesting though.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
Yeah, I mean, well, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
You know, people people respected it, respected the situation that night,
and you know, and uh respected hip hop that night.
It was an amazing night. Yeah. It was a lot
of tents between not just West Coast and East Coast,
but it was a lot of different Crewis you gonna
realize in ninety five a lot of these artists the
first time they're even seen each other. It was no

(30:41):
intimate you know what I'm saying, They're really coming across
each other, face to face, and everybody got egos.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
That night was crazy.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
But yeah, the so far the documentary is gonna be
pretty dope. Yeah, let's talk.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
About the documentary for a minute.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
What what what's the focus of it?

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Is it just that night? You can understand Suge Knight.
You know, we know we got countless interviews with him
that night, personal interviews.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
With Oh that's dope.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Oh yeah, I got I got all heavy hitters, ci Lo,
I got, you know, the goodie mob we got uh,
I mean, I got a lot of guys man, and
you know, and we got the reason why we're not
done yet because there's still some more to get, like
trying to get all these But you know, that night
was when Andre's three thousand said what he said, and

(31:25):
after that, the South just came in and just kicked
the doors in. You know, that night is when hip
hop was just more than just New York. It was
actually now the country. You know, you had Bone Thug
from the Midwest, you had Twister, you had you know
what I'm saying, Uh, crucial Conflict from Chicago. I mean,
you know they were people were from all over that night.
So hip hop really that night was major. Of course

(31:47):
what Sugar said, you know, really made it tense. But
that's what you know. Park was in jail at the
ninety five when he was there in ninety four. He
was in jail ninety five. But yeah, you know, you
know we gave we gave hip hop a look that
the Grammys wasn't given and still don't give it.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
And I swear we'll appreciate that as the culture because
that like you yo, someone has to get us together,
whether they and it's only probably gonna be us because
everyone else is afraid of us in one building.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
And you know, the Grammys wasn't given the props right,
they were shitting on us. So you know, we we
and see what people don't understand. The artist is one thing,
but we was allowing the artists to come with all
their crew, all their niggas that you couldn't do that anywhere.
You feel me, you know what I'm saying, Like they
was coming with all these you couldn't do that with
everybody else. So I don't think I think people minimize that.

(32:43):
The fact that you know, the audience was when you
match the p that's everybody in all his projects and
mob deep in all their hit all they they wasn't
you know what I mean. So you know what I'm saying,
we was allowing that. It was allowing the hood for
a big platform. We did that. I'm saying I had
a major part of that right like that that wasn't

(33:04):
happening in any way fashion of form you might see
soul training dancing. What was security like, I mean, we
didn't have too much security the ninety four ninety five
it was a couple like armed of course because we
was at the massive Square garden. But we had the ushes,
you know, like the Nation of Islam would be the ushes,
and you know, man, it just you know, we had

(33:28):
a security farm, a security farm firm. I remember Eric
b At the years later helped us with security. Shout
out to be but you know, the nation, the nation.
We would give the nation a big check for them
to come help us with the awards to make sure
I would take care of Faerl Khan. You know, I
really respect fail Khan. I don't know what's saying. We've
always had a great relationship and we've always wanted to

(33:49):
be a part. But you know, Souce awards, when everybody
goes up on these stages. Now that would we did that?
Wasn't nobody basically for hip hop, No other magazine, no
other label, nothing we did.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
That Was it rough getting the green lit?

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Or was you just it was rough the whole time?
We had to do a syndication to get it on TV.
That's why at the beginning, the early ones, you would
see late night, like at eleven o'clock it'd come on
like Channel.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Four or something.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
That's why it was good because the jails could watch.
You know, the jails would only have the bunny is
four or five or well at least they'd be you
know what I'm saying. But back then, wasn't no networks
taking that shit. The UPN We got into UPN. Then
from there we signed the contract with BT.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Would you go to any of those meetings like the
meanings about?

Speaker 2 (34:36):
You know, it's funny. Let me tell you about the
BT meetings. So they came in.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
This is how it was. They would come in.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
I come in, I have a cuple my names with me,
and so BT came in with their production team and
this guy's like, so this is how we're gonna do it,
and they had the pig things. I took his whole
shit just wapped that shup.

Speaker 5 (34:52):
I was like, this shit is whack. I said, we
ain't doing it like that.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
I said, tomorrow we're gonna come in and have another
meet and Dave, I'll be back.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
We had the other meeting.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Man, I picked all the acts, picked all the shells,
very much involved with it. To their credit, the producers
of BT carried everything I did. They was mad about it,
but they basically kind of stood down and listened to
everything and it was amazing. It was amazing, and we
made a couple of million on that last one, and
that was the blueprint for their awards.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
I see, I see sometimes you say Outcast was speaking
to you when they went up there and said what
they said, and if it was a.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Time where when it was getting the micro rate, and
I felt like I probably shouldn't have. I kind of
like stuck my nose in that where I didn't hear
the music, and I apologize for that. You know, it
was new, you know what I'm saying, And I just
didn't understand how the hype behind it. But you know
what I'm saying, you know, looking back, whether he was

(35:48):
or not, I just felt like kind of responsible for
them not getting a half mic Moore And like I said,
I never really dealt with the whole mic system, but
those were a couple of times I did it. But
that that that.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
One I regret it.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
And you know what I'm saying, Yeah, it was a
time in history, and you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
See also that night you got Snoop saying that, So
it felt like the vibe and what.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
It Snoop is different Snoop. If it wasn't for Snoopy,
it could have went bad. Because after after Shoke said
what he said, shook Snooping up there, and like Connor was,
the first thing he said was, man, what's up? We
know where were at? We're in New York. Y'all don't
love doctor dress. Snoop. He psychologically turned it from that
tense moment of Nick you want to get into something

(36:33):
to like kind of confuse in the crowd with them.
He's kind of with us. He's young and meanwise, but
he saying that he with us. I think Snoop had
a lot to do with kind of saving that night.

Speaker 5 (36:44):
You know my opinion.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
Now, that's dope.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
I wonder I wondered myself, like because I just felt
like the atmosphere and there was nobody wasn't getting no love.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
It just felt nobody got loved, got awards.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
And yeah, y'all listen, yo, I'm talking about I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
From each other.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
I mean, everybody to keep getting those stage Yeah, I
mean you got.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
A bunch of It was dope in one room that
had never happened before, right, and egos you said the
main thing, egos.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
And it's funny because I'm sure everybody in there that night,
and even when I listened to the interviews, there was
a lot of side beafs that nobody know about. And
I can't speak too much. I wanted to watch the documentary,
but there was a lot of side beafs that nobody
ever knew about. Like you know what I'm saying, Like
a lot of side didn't know. There was a situation
with Cube and uh bone Dog, you know what I'm saying,

(37:39):
Woo tanging Biggie, Like.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
There was a lot of on the Artists of the
Year that year.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, there was a lot of side those situations. Man,
you know what I'm saying that nobody knew. But when
you see the documentary, you're gonna you know, you're gonna do.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
With sug Onto wage and how they did he roll back?

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Then he was deep, he's in New York, you know
it was it. Yeah, I can't say, but something took
place after that has to do with them too that
I cannot say. But yeah, real, real interesting. I was
like wow, like you know, because I'm at every interview
and I'm you know, you can't say no, I cannot
now because you know, it's it's for.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
The for the doctor, Okay, okay, okay, so.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
You're gonna put it out there, so one hundred oh yeah,
I'm here to say.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
No, I ain't doing no no no no no no
no no no.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
But it's it was, you know, it's some rip. It's
it's it's a lot of ship that people are gonna
know because all they seen was the sugar ship. But
all the ship that happened after that was leading up
to that. I just was like, wow, blew me right,
and here I am. I was involved in every aspect
of the magazine that night. I mean, of the Awoods
that night, and it just blew me to away some

(38:42):
of the ship that I'm hearing. But it's amazing in
its history, man, it really is I caught it the
night that changed hip hop forever.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
You know, And why are you give it that?

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Because it really did. Hip hop went after after ninety five,
hip hop just blew into this phenomenon, this world of
phenomenon with all artists, with all different music repping. This
was a time where the South could make amazing songs,
talking and dressing and looking like the South. They didn't
have to even though they had influences from New York.
All the influence came from New York, they still could

(39:14):
retain who they was, you know. And when I look
at even you know, like, I mean, come on, man,
like I think three six Mafia doesn't get enough credit,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
As far as far as like the South and and
and and influence and influence, you.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Know what I'm saying. So that was the night that
when Andres three thousand said that, it kind of just
opened the doors for it. Look like the South just said, yeah,
you know what I'm saying, we don't. Yeah, New York
is New York, and the West coast, West Coast, we
the South, and let's go.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, you got the Source Awards. What the VMA is
going on?

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Then mtvv Yeah, yeah, yeah, the MTV and VMA's was
going on, you know, but you know, they just was
the only pay people they were acknowledging hip hop was
eminem you know what I'm saying at that time, that's crazy,
you know what I mean, They wasn't really they wasn't
even acknowledging they were. MTV wasn't even playing Nick videos,

(40:10):
That's what was so crazy. And then they would just
play his videos. So a lot of rappers just really
missed out on their platform at the beginning. It wasn't
until later on, you know, after a while, when your
your TV raps came. But man, it was it was
you know, MTV wasn't representing either, wow, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
And you know v H one either. It was all
the same ship. You know.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
They was really trying to, like when I looked at
the way how they was doing it, they really wanted
to like kind of like water hip hop down. They
necessarily didn't want to really show that hip hop was
from street guys. And you know what I'm saying, and
and and the ladies of the street. And when I
say that, just you know, the neighborhoods you know. That's

(40:52):
why the Source at that time was very important because
without it then but you know, the representation would have
been minimal.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
You know, it's none.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
But when we also look back, we got Vibe magazine
and Vibe Awards.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, that shit wasn't it wasn't tried that shit a
couple of times.

Speaker 5 (41:10):
It didn't work, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Actually, BTC, the BET Awards really kind of took over
for the R and B. See, we necessarily wasn't doing
R and B, you know what I'm saying. So bt
was kind of like the awards show for that. So
Vibe really couldn't get his ground because of that. Even
VH one they you know, they tried the awards and
you know what I'm saying, Like they couldn't get their
ground either, you know what I'm saying. The Source, I think, again,

(41:36):
we was relevant because we was the streets were the
only thing that the neighborhoods could look at and see
themselves on that platform. There was nothing else showing anybody
from any of these neighborhoods on a major platform on
TV until the Source. And that was a fact. That's
a fact.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Coys Love said that the hip hop. He loved that
added the ninety five Social Awards.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
And that's the hell of a statement.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
See if I could use that for the for the documentary,
because now it's true man like, and I can understand Qrush,
you know, because I mean just the essence of it
of hip hop, man is just you know, what it
is now is totally not what it was. And what
I was fighting for was not it to fall in
the wrong hands.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
You know, I always was fighting for that.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
You know, that whole eminem situation was about it falling
in the wrong hands, and it did. And look at
it now. Hip hop is chaotic right now. I mean,
you know, the hyper sexualization that they're pushing on our
young kids on radio, you know, you know back then
you had you know, back then you had a couple

(42:50):
of artists in that lane, but it wasn't oversaturated where
the companies are pushing just that, Like, you can't be
a female rapper unless you hyper sexualized not only just
your music, but your actually you have to give this
image of that. And I just don't. I think that's
I think I'm trying to think, where do we go

(43:10):
from there? From here? If it only gets worse, do
the do the outfits get skimpier? You know what I'm saying, Like,
it's like, where do we go? What?

Speaker 5 (43:20):
What you know?

Speaker 2 (43:21):
When you look at hip hop and what it is
from now? And I can understand what he's saying.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
From a cultural standpoint.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Musically, there's a lot of great stuff out, so I
would never you know you Musically it's you know, there's
still there's amazing dope music out, you know, But as
far as what the optics are, it's it's not looking.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Like let's get it in, let's get into Eminem.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Were back to Eminem?

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah, because I haven't really asked you, you know, anything
about the situation. You know, I want to know, do
you do you hate Eminem? Uh?

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Nah?

Speaker 5 (43:57):
I don't hate emineh.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I I don't. I I I despise his fans more
more than anything with him, his fans because I know
his fans. His fans, A lot of his fans are
just racist people who don't like black people in the
first place. Facts, that's what he was designed for, by
his by the people that designed it. They had to
find somebody that was gonna represent a part of America

(44:22):
that don't deal with black people or hip hop blacks
in hipop. But will we'll sell you him. And that's
what it was, and that's why he could sell millions
and make millions and millions and millions and millions of
dollars because people in Nebraska and Wyoming and you know,
places that just don't see black people at all at all.
You know, we take for granted and things because we

(44:43):
see and live around white people. That that's in every
city in America, and that that couldn't be furthest from
the truth. There's there's a lot of places where no
blacks even exist, and white people grow up without any
interaction with black people, and they're not buying no black
people nothing. They don't want black artists on their sons
and daughter's walls. So as long as we give you

(45:04):
eminem and it's okay.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
But what did it start?

Speaker 5 (45:10):
Wait to start?

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I don't know. I said a couple of I said
a couple of things about him on a on a
song and like a mixtape, like you know, said some shit,
rap shit, right, like what everybody else does?

Speaker 5 (45:23):
You know what I'm saying? They say shit about each other.
It's ego, ego driven.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Hip hop that was probably in shit that was years ago.
I'm trying to think what that was like twenty two
years ago, something like maybe two thousand and one something two.

Speaker 5 (45:41):
Yeah, and then.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Uh, he made a whole mixtape back and I made
music back, and then the Source got involved, and then
the white guys brought the racist tape, and then it
excelled and it escalated from that. And at that time, me, guy,
it was crazy because at that time me and Shah
had was native in our kids. Corey was going to school.

Speaker 5 (46:01):
With his daughter and in Jersey.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
We had to move from Boston and at that time,
he's beefing with fifty and they had real beef, and
I'm be from with M. Fifty and M just got together.
I moved next door to Jah. It looks like it's
like a big tag team thing, like you know what
I'm saying. Yeah, you know, but it was two separate situations.

Speaker 5 (46:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
I always wondered, like, you know where it started from,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah? And I felt that he was just getting a
special treatment as a white you know, as a white rapper.
And I just felt like with the Source magazine, We're
not going to give you that special treatment. I see
how MTV Showtime, I seen how the awards they would
never let black people Radio City Music Hall. I've seen
how they led him with like fifty white guys dressed
like him with the blonde his run up in there.

(46:50):
I just seen the images. I just seen the messages
that they were sending, and I just felt like, Okay,
if they're going to use their platform to send that message,
I'm going to use the source, which is my our
platform to send this message.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Do you think that, oh, I've seen something what he
called in the.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Hot ninety seven In response to you, were you ever
invited the Hot ninety seven back then or did you call?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
In response? I was, I was cool with everybody up
they was doing business with Flex and everything was good.
And then once he came up there, there was just
being a little disrespectful towards I felt there was being
disrespectful towards me in general, and how they addressed me
when when he was up there. Yeah, and I didn't
appreciate it. So you know that night that was we

(47:33):
wasn't really messing with them, They wasn't messing with us.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
Ninety seven after that.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Do you think coming from Boston played into it, like
growing up around their racism, Well, that part looking at Yes, yes.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
One great, that's a great question. Yes, one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah, because I look at that now. I didn't know
what then, But now that I look at it and
how I'm I'm cognizant of how I grew up. And
it's like, damn, look at how I grew up. And
I didn't know that. I didn't know that before. I
didn't know that before. But yeah, I looked back at

(48:13):
how I grew up and how growing up in a
racist city, in a racist environment, in a segregated environment.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
Of course it did.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Now I look at it now because I just don't
think it's fair, especially if it's our music and it's
our culture, you know. Mark Wahlberg, I remember we had
won the Boston Music Award for Best Rap Group. We
Want the very first one, and we was proud of that,
Almighty Ars, so we ain't never won shit. And this
was just before we got to deal with Tommy Boy.

(48:40):
This was the early years, like eighty six made the eighties,
you know. And then Mark Wahlberg came out Donnie Wahlburg's brother.
Then he won it and we took a house and
we smashed it. It was the newspapers like, we don't
want this shit. How could he just come in and
get it because he's Donnie's brother. But I've been on
this ship for a minute, Like I don't you know,
I'm not with none of that. I'm not with like

(49:03):
because of the color of your skin makes you better
than me, or you should have privilege over me. I
just never was good with that. Never. So the eminem
thing had, you know, had connotations of that. It had it,
you know, it was it had those elements.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
That I've seen.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
And this is before this, this was before the racist tapes.
I just felt like he was getting privileged because a
lot of these people that all these big white companies
that wasn't dealing with black people or black guys from
the streets in the hood. I felt like it's not
fair just to just give him an same thing with
the Caitlyn Clop thing. You know, it's funny because the

(49:44):
Caitlyn Clop thing is the same situation. You know, they
already annoying her, She's already getting Wilson Diale's and these
women been busting. They ass an amazing talent with the
w NBA all along, and here she comes in and
just gets annoyed just because she's white. Like, it's just
the same shit now Jamel Hill, Jamel Hill's from Detroit,

(50:06):
loves them and them goes too bad for him, sticks
up for him. But then shit's on Caitlyn Club. I'm like, what,
that's hypocritical because it's the same thing. Now, what Caitlyn did?
I give her mad respect for Kaitlyn finally came out
and said, and this was big. No, I don't know

(50:28):
if anybody caught this. What do you feel about people
weaponizing your name for their agendas? Meaning white people who
are racist, they use that as superiority. We're better than you.
They need that. That's what runs their control.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
And that's why she said.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I don't like it and I don't condone it, and
I don't want people using my name for any of
their jent. That was big. As she did that, I
got so much respect for her because I know her
Pops looks a little racist, you know what I'm saying.
She looked like she grew up around But her saying
that to guts and by her saying that, she kind
of sends a message to whoever's racist out there, I

(51:06):
don't find you. Eminem never does that his fans are racists.
Is a good part of his fans that are super racist, bro,
and they're disrespectful.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
You're getting there from the comments and shit.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Just from the comments. But it's easy to see. If
hip hop's the number one influence and he's the fucking
most selling rapper, then when we're all dead and dead
and gone, then they're gonna think that, well, he was
the one that was over everything. So a white man
was better than everybody? Is it gonna be discredited? I
fought for that back then, the same shit I'm saying now,

(51:40):
I said it twenty two years ago. None different. I
seen it, and I was in a position I'd have
to answer to nobody. The source was mine, and that's
what the source was for. We was there as gatekeepers
to protect it. And I felt like I didn't look at
Beastie Boys as white rappers. I didn't wasn't mad at
I love Beastie Boys. I went and see him at

(52:00):
Fresh vest Is. They wanted Eminem to be the white
rapper for white people, and when you do that, you
up the money for black people because you're splitting white
people up. Now they don't have to buy black people's music.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
But you can't deny he can rap.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
You ain't can rap.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
You can't deny he can rap.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
It never was about rap, about rap. Ain't more than rap.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Yeah, but back in the day, back in the day,
you had the same message. I listened to some of
the records and ship, but I was amazed that you
your ego ahead, you trying to go rap like balloballdn't
write them an ego like I'm right, don't give a
so what damn right?

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah yeah, like yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go right at him,
like who is he see me? He raps good, but
I'm not into his type of rap. Even if I
didn't was with the souce or nothing, I wouldn't be
listening to eminem listen. I came up from ice Cube
and chugged it. Kr Rest, I can name, I can

(53:01):
name five. I was hundreds of rappers. I wouldn't be
listening to him. That's just me. I wouldn't listen to that.
Production wise, I wouldn't listen to it. That is a
couple of songs that he did there.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
He got some shit, a couple of songs.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
I like, he name dumped you in some beanngus.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I mean what do you mean I'm listen, listen, listen.
I affected him, and nobody cannot say I didn't. I
affected that man's mental Nobody can tell me different. As
great as everybody says he is, I affected him to
this day. I didn't know where that other say he

(53:38):
came out, made a old song, but I mean to
mention coy like I affected him. Then I made rap elvison,
did it, mom Spaghetti made a big impact? Yeah, like yeah,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, But no matter what,
no matter what, I affected him. Yeah, he was talking
now and I was supposed to have been dead now

(53:59):
on the coffin and his great songs and nah, that
shit he makes garbage. The music he makes now is garbage.
That last song he put out was garbage. And if
anybody defends that, I don't even debate. That just shows
me like we wouldn't like you don't even know if
if a person defends that music, then I don't even

(54:19):
I'd be like, Okay, I'll see where you were at
with Homie.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
We ain't even same, Nigga.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
That's his trash, bro it is what it is. That
a new song he just put out, it's garbage.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
So you don't think nobody can make an argument for
that song if somebody listen.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
First of all, I'm gonna respect anybody if they like
their music. But if somebody wants to argue about that song,
then they just doing that because either they white supremacist
or they just want to be Dick's because that song's whack.
That songs wat. Any from the hood, anybody is gonna
tell you this to they're not listening to that bullshit, like,

(54:55):
let's keep it one thousand, that songs wat. That song's whack.
That's so forget it. But the new generation would never
listen to it. But even the old heads that like
like mine, you still making the same shit you made
twenty years ago and think it's gonna stick today, Like,
who the fuck? You think? That's pretty arrogant. He really
thinks that you listen to because he's eminem and people do.

(55:17):
But that's that white thing, that's that master slave thing.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
That's that he's white.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
My god, he's white.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
I don't got that in men.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
I never had it in me. I'm so I look
at everybody saying.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
I think he's talented, but you know, he's talented and
there's a lot of nick. I do think that this
last song is like a remake or something.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
I don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
But that shit is I mean, let's just call it
what it is. That's his garbage. That's just whack. Say
say what it is? That shit is not good.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
You would not play that.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
To be honest, I ain't even listen to the whole record,
so I can't listen to the.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
First thirty seconds and make the conclusion if you can't
hear thirty seconds of that and like that shit's dope
and there's there's still something long that ain't it. I don't.
I don't do that production. Ain't it flow, ain't it? It?
Ain't it? But I don't.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
I don't make my decisions like, yeah, it's based on this.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Well, listen to it and make a decision. Ship listen,
I I need you to listen to it.

Speaker 5 (56:17):
Yeah, I listen to it.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
That's just garbage.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
What was fifty city involvement in this situation?

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Because I know you you've been asking fifty four celebrity
boxing magic.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Listen man, fifty fifty fifty fifty Yeah, hell y'all box
What I'm saying you ain't get them ms I box
fifty You damn right, I'm in shape. Shit, I'm benching
about what to seventy five? Now? You know what I'm saying, Like,
I'm not no slock.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
Do you think it'll just be a fight and it's
it'll do something?

Speaker 5 (56:45):
Go with that?

Speaker 2 (56:46):
No, no boxing box and you put your gloves.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
And then we So you want a peaceful yeah, you
want just a peaceful celebrity.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
I could always want people, of course, why not? You
know what I'm saying, Like, ain't there ain't nothing anybody
should die over. You know what I'm saying. But I
know it'll make a lot of money. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
I'm definitely up for what kind of splits you want
to do.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
We gotta do fifty fifty.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
I ain't fifty cent gonna give you fifty percent of
a fight.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
I mean i'd have to go fifty fifty. I'm gonna
be in there. You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna
where they could knock me out or not. You know
what I'm saying, I run the risk. You ain't.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
You didn't fifty fifty though, then.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
It don't happen. I just seen that. I just seen
the tape of fifty Box, and he's not. He gotta
look like he needs some training.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Even if he go out there, he ain't giving you
fifty percent of there.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
I mean, well, he would have to us. There's no boxing.
I wouldn't take nothing less. It has to be a
fifty fifty sprip because it's it's ben Zeno fifty against fifty.
So you know that's gonna bring the draw. You know
what I'm saying. People are gonna be waiting. Oh, he
gonna kill, he gonna kill. Benzi got knock fifty, he
got knock Benzineo. Whit I need fifty percent?

Speaker 4 (57:44):
It was made whether versus made Donna, and it wasn't feed.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Listen, I did it. I kicked it with Mike Me
and Michael Cool and Mike said it listen to. Human
body is not meant to be punched on. Anybody could
be knocked out anybody, anybody. There's there are places on
your head that that don't even have to be hit
that hard and you blackout. It's just the physics of things.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Yeah, it's trained the other train. So people didn't know that.
I already know that.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Yeah, I mean three rounds ninety seconds. Man, Yeah, I'm
doing that. You know what I'm saying. For a couple
of I'm doing it.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
And anybody took you up on one of them fights.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
You know, Yeah, I just let me boxing. I made
a bottle of whatever. I took him like you man,
something had. He was an actor, white guy. He was
a boxing you win in love. I won. I knocked
him on second round.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Was he a what kind of was he?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Yeah? He was. He was a shape hit hard too.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
I give him his props. I was. I was. I
did way more than him though, you know what I'm saying.
But yeah, you know what I mean. It was two
second round fight. It was the first time I did it.
I always wanted to do it.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
It was. It was pretty dope.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
It was. It was in Miami. Then my two years ago,
It's black China. Fought on on.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
The on on the undercar.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
Did Joe Budden take you up on the phone?

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I thought he would. Me and Joe could have. I
could have been a big purse.

Speaker 5 (58:59):
I thought he would.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
I thought he said they'll fight you on the street.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Though then, man, come on, man, don't he don't want
to fight? He said he didn't want to fight.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
It out.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
We called his person, his manager, We try to put
it together. Immediately they said no.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
And you got the dude with the purse ready.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
I mean a lot of people are ready for so
I be boxing.

Speaker 5 (59:15):
There's a few of them. There's a couple of celebrities.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
So you got some comingies on deck.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Though one hundred percent that'll put it up. It's a
think of the tickets, like, let's do the math. Let's
just say, let's say which one Joe Buddn's are.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
Fifty, which ones?

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Pick one?

Speaker 5 (59:27):
Which one do fifty fifty?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
The tickets would be fifty dollars, probably seventy five dollars.
Fifty to seventy five dollars to see that, and we
probably sell at least a million. Do the math. I
could see a say, if me and fifty, I could
see us selling a million. If Steve ej and fifty
would have did it, I could see that sold over
a million million. Do you understand that there's.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
No upside for fifty cent for doing this though it's only.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Fifty just got hundred seven millions of dollars.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
He's just sitting on these, but he has a cash
he's doing good. I mean, but the but to hit
his brand and take for going in there maybe and
getting knocked out or no.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
No, man, listen, I don't look at look at look at.
I didn't. I was impressed on it. You know what
I'm saying. Shit, people mention it. You know what I'm saying.
I mean, it's better than you know what I'm saying,
having beef, shooting each other and shooting each other.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Right, yeah, yeah, for sure, anybody out there you want
to you want to get it though, it's like in
that field that is boxing, don't I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Don't even like listen, that was something that it would
have to be very lucrative for me to do that. Okay,
and now you know what I mean. So he's it
would have to be a lucrative situation.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
Three rounds.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
We're doing it with I think sixteen hous gloves. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
What is lucrative?

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
How much you said thirty grand?

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
He said, at least you did the less with thirty
g right, right for thirty right? So sixty grand can't
get it done? O?

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Hell no, no, no, definitely not. I have to do
at least like, like at least a half a million.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
You go from thirty grand to hey, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Price went up, yesterday's price, not today's price.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
I respect it. Yeah, yeah, Na, I respect that. Yeah,
half a ticket celebrity boxing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Probably come be like I throw you three hundred. You
think I ain't taking that, Nick, come with a bag
of three hundred, Right, you think I ain't taking that?
I'm breaking that?

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Are done taking that?

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
Let's go now for sure?

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
You know, I mean ship we what about a dollar
a hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
One hundred, nah, hundred thousan ain't gonna do it. They
ain't gonna do it. I'm saying three hundred. I'm gonna
say five. Come on me with three.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
But honey, Honey, wouldn't do it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
Honey, you ain't moving three would do it?

Speaker 6 (01:01:38):
Three hundred two fifty?

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
You know? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
Yo?

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
D J.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Blass said you bang from Blad TV for threatening an employee.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
You know what's crazy about flag? So I did VLAT
I looked at YouTube. I've been doing flat interviews for
like thirteen years, right, I don't know when vlag used
to come to the Sauce and just be amazed at
what me and Dave was doing. Like another one of
the guys that was just like, hey, can I just
hang out with you guys who come hang around the
office and just hang around you know what I mean? Vlad,

(01:02:24):
I've always done interviews with Flag. Meet my dad's an
interview with Flag snops. Lad's cool. But then Vlad at
one point one day was like, I live in Calabasas.
Now when I drove, like Vlad let the money go
to his head. And Vlad's a different guy now, he
really is. It ain't even that fucking like like I
did an interview for him. It took him three days
to give my money. He said, call this lady. I'm like,

(01:02:47):
where's my money? At three days? Send my fuck me?
And that was it. You know what I'm saying, Why
are you putting me with her?

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
Me and you know each other?

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
You saying my cash haden in my fucking That's all
like dumb shit?

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
You threatened you? Did you threaten them?

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
No? No, I said, I said, you need to send
my money. Now she she probably took that as a threat. Well,
I look like threatening the woman. I'm gonna beat you up, Like, no,
send my fuck That was it. You need to send
my money. Tell Lad, like you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
that was, I didn't threaten nobody. You know what I'm saying,
give my ship, like the why am I taking three

(01:03:22):
days to save my money? That was it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
He said, you you reached out to him to try
to get back on this platform.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
He no, no, no, Mafi had reached out and was
saying that they want to do something because Lad was
interested in the Source documentary.

Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
So you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
I said, well, if we could do business, there's a bag.

Speaker 5 (01:03:40):
You know what I'm saying, it's talk hes gonna you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Know, because I'm gonna let I'm gonna take it to
Netflix ulo everybody. He's gonna have a chance. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
You know, so sell the Source documentary? You was trying
to he was?

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
He was like, yeah, because I go through Mafi for
Vlad again, Vlad is a different Vlad's.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
Awhere though, I'm gonna keep out the way.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
One thousand, like Vlad's a where though, Like Vlad got
his whole shit from again, was hanging in our office
every day looking at what we was doing. All of
a sudden, he thinks he's something like these guys. Vlad's
the guy that wasn't getting pussy like you know what
I'm saying, He wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
You could see that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
And I see I'm putting in beef and shit and the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Glad's the guy that wasn't getting pussy. Now he gets
a little money and now he's flags aware though Vlad
doesn't have any no type of credibility flats sue Rick Ross.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
When they jumped on him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
So you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, I
don't even know why Vlad's getting this much now. Yes,
Vlad's interview style and everything, he's successful.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
What he did, He's put a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
In guy's pockets from the streets.

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
But you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Everybody knows that if like Vlad will sell a nick
out fast if it, you know what I'm saying, Like
if the Fads ever went to vladd and if it,
we know what I'm saying, and they needed something for Rad,
Vlad's gonna sell and I got on. I see that this,
you know what I mean, Glad changed. Rad wasn't like this,
you know I mean, but get money and they start changing.
You know, he's he thinks he's a celebrity. Now he

(01:05:00):
looked like the guy from me, Like he like a
pilgowl is the hair cut he got now like a.

Speaker 5 (01:05:06):
Up in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
He's a uh, what do they call those guys with
the with the horses and ship The hats looked like
pilbow Huh the Diamish, Yeah, it was like themish. DJ Flag,
he doesn't even DJ.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
What is his name? DJ Flag? What DJ did he do?

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
He was saying, you wanted to respond to something on
his platform, like an interview, though not the source documentary.
He was saying, you called him to try to respond.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
I don't know, man.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
Man, man Ald, you know what I'm saying, like for real,
like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
I want to see us bothers like yeah, for sure,
for show for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
I'm with you on that. I'm definitely with you on that.
How many children did you say?

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Yeah? Three four four?

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
I got Ray Shawn Ray.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Ray had a deal on records when he was nine
years old with Big Pun's son, major deal with Sida
En Hissco.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
They get me a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Benny Boom did the video if You Look In as
a group called three Down on YouTube.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
But Benny Boom shot the video that big budget. They
gave a big ass. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
I helped out big puns kids and the mom you
know what I'm saying at that time, and I got
him a big deal with Ray Ray Ray Ray was nine,
been a hip hop his whole life. No coy De
Ray of course, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
Taj, he's twenty one. And then I got Zeno eight
years old. You know what I'm saying, so was he
had four?

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
What's your relationship with your children?

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
My relationship is like pretty cool. I mean, you know
they you know, I got Zeno for the summer, but
he lives out. We don't live in the same state,
and all.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
The other kids have grown.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
So just like any other parent, when your kids have
grown and they're doing their own things, they like to
do their own things, and sometimes you hit from them,
sometimes you don't. Pretty much, same thing across the.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
Board with everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
I know, your relationship with Corl Loray is being public.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Unfortunately, you know what I'm saying. Unfortunately, But that's the
new thing. You know, the new generation of kids make
it public. You know, they want everything public on the internet.
That the correspondence, the communication, everything has to go through
the internet because people look for validation from somebody. So
if you're mad at someone, it's it's fulfilling to them
to go on and give it to the internet. So

(01:07:29):
if somebody agrees with you, because you know the person
you're mad that's not going to agree with you, especially
when your shit is wrong, then it's easy for that.
Parents are parents. Parents usually know more than the kid.
I'm very smart, intellectual, I was very hands on, and
you know, the situation with Corey's unfortunate. But you know,
I don't you know, I'm you know, I raised her.

(01:07:53):
People didn't know who Coy was, would never know our situation.

Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
That's private matter.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
So the stuff that we go through on the internet,
I'm not that shit is like it's like the new.
It's the new. You know what I'm saying, This is
what all the kids are doing. So you know, you
just have to adapt and a judge like everything else.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Do you feel disrespected when she says something like she
disowns you or something like that, do you feel her
wholes it's disappointed.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
It's disappointed the disrespected part of them. I've come to
the conclusion that you have to you got to love
people from a distance, and you gotta let your kids,
who are adults now go through the growing pains of
being an adult, and you can't take too much for

(01:08:41):
what they say to heart and get emotional aboudy because
they still going through a lot inside for whatever reasons.
And I just gotta be I gotta you know, her
health and she's financially independent. That's all you could want
from a parent. She doesn't have any kids, she don't
have any Felon, I did my job.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
Were you there?

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Did you raise her?

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
Damn right? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
I was with her mom till she was ten, and
she was with me five months out the year, lived
with me three times until she was sixteen. And at
that time, no girl wants to be around their parents.

Speaker 5 (01:09:18):
So my thing is with every single other parent out here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Goes nothing different unless you didn't take care of your kids.
Because I took care of Mark. I was the only
bread winner. And like I said, she was living with
me five months out the year, and then at times
she live with me longer than that, going to school
in Miami, and I mean in Atlanta, and she was
living with me in Miami because like all my kids.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Was the prime time of sauce what was her like,
what was her ages down sauce?

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Oh man, that was when she was real young, when
I was getting all that money. That's when she was
like young, young, young, like three two. She got to
see it fitling at a young age.

Speaker 5 (01:09:56):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. At when she was
real young, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
But even when we lost the source from my start
hip hop Weekly, it wasn't as much, but I still was.
I still maintain I still you know what I'm saying.
So she always was around studio and my life, and
she's all the celebrities, all the you know what I'm saying.
But she's been around a lot of women too. When
me and her mom broke up, and I'm sure that
that took a lot to her also because at the
end of the day, a daughter is going to be

(01:10:20):
loyal to their mother and you can't blame them for that. So,
you know what I'm saying again, that nothing else I
went through where anybody else went.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Through the same, It's nothing else, you know when when
when I think about it, because my children are young, right,
so sometimes I think, like, what what will disconnect us?

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
You know what I'm saying, life, life.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
When they get older, you know when when your daughter
starts having any periods, they get over, they start getting
into guys, they start want to smoke, they start want
to be around.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
They don't want to be around. They don't have a daughter.
So that's what you had.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
It's a big difference. You don't trust me if you
don't have a daughter. You really don't understand. You really
can't because daughters are different. Different sons are easy. She's
all I'm saying. Not nothing's easy being a parent, But
I'm saying, you know, daughters are different. You got to
be there's way more sensitivity is an emotion, different type
of emotions involved you.

Speaker 5 (01:11:15):
Being from the street. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Listen, let me tell you something. One of the biggest
problems of the hood is having babies. Having babies in
their twenties. We all do it, and we all wasn't
ready for it, none of us. None of us was
stable enough, none of us was financially stable, none of
us was mentally stable to have kids. And when we
have kids, we have to do what's best after that.
And it's not textbook. It never is. When you're struggling,

(01:11:38):
when you know, when the parents are welfared, when there's
so many things against us just being black and struggling
in the hood. Now he comes a kid, So you
know what I'm saying, I did the best I could.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
My thing was, I had to hustle. I had to
get money, make sure that she had school clothes, make
sure she had everything she wanted. When I started getting
the big money, then that was issue. Whatever she was
just like all of them was you know what I'm saying.
But I had rules. Ain't no smoking, You got to
do your school, school work, you gotta you.

Speaker 5 (01:12:06):
Know what I'm saying. There was rules.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Terms of the last few years where she was staying
with me, it was my rules were way more stricter
than her mother's rules. And that usually happens like that
when it comes to daughters. Mothers are a lot more lenient,
dads are a lot more strict. I was one of
them strict dads. I don't give it what I'm doing.
It's saying about being a hypocrite. You the daughter and
I'm the father, right is there is no disconnect. The

(01:12:30):
problem is the internet came in social media and it
jumped over parents and kids are following that. So parents
are becoming.

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
Less respected less.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
They look like we're not even needed because they think
they know more. They think just as much, if not more,
because of the Internet. So all I could do. I'm
not gonna debate with it. I'm not gonna lose stress.
I'm gonna keep on continuing to be the best I can.
I'm happy that she's the biggest thing is that she's
financially independent. She has no children, she's very small, and
she's doing what more Like, I don't have to worry

(01:13:02):
about getting those crazy calls that a lot of parents do.
A lot of my guy's sons are all locked up shit.
Y Ray got his own crib, he's doing his center
independent units. He just got a new deal with Distro Kid.
He's thirty years old. You know what I'm saying, Like,
what more could I want? They none of them have felonies.
A lot of my kids are locked up for murder,
tempted murder, all kind of shit. They sons that I've

(01:13:24):
seen when they was born in Boston. Like, you know
what I mean, I have a lot to be blessed for.
So you know what I'm saying. Although the relationship, all
of our relationships could be better with our kids and
I'm sure everybody watching in the comments section say the
same thing. You know what I'm saying. You just gotta
just pray, You gotta pray on it, and you gotta
make pray that their safe and their health, you know

(01:13:48):
what I'm saying. And they could eat you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:13:50):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
I'm not a grandfather yet, feel I mean, my kids
even have kids like I got raised my kids good? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
What about their Nick Minaj rackable?

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
It looks from a bove Does he look like stand

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