Chico Bean Discusses Trump Pardoning Diddy Theory, HBCU Importance + His Daughter Dating Advice

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The did he try?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Right?

Speaker 3 (00:01):
What I think they try to embarrass that nigga to
where even if he do beat the shit, ain't nobody
gonna want to stand this to him.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
I don't think freaking is illegal. That's not illegal.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
It's statute of limitations on being a black man in America.
As never you look at r Kelly Elvis got married
to his wife, she was fourteen in front of the world.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Nobody ever brings that up.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
It's some women out here that you know, you got
to respect because it's some shit that's gonna.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Come behind it. That's a whole fact.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Because as a man, as a father, it's my job
to teach my daughter what manipulation is, right. I just
want to be the person that she comes to to say, man,
what you thinking?

Speaker 1 (00:36):
But this man told me this.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Even with Cassie, I just I couldn't imagine being her father.
How does she come to her father with, Hey, look
I date Diddy. He won't marry me, but we freak off.
I mean, these are things you die with. But I'm
still focused on Cassie knowing what she doesn't want, which
is I want a rich man.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, and they ain't. But for these can.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
Doctor dre jay Z did it and I think she
had got so gun hol on.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Where do I go from this?

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Being an eighties baby that grew up in the nineties,
it's just crazy to see how the people that we
looked at as heroes are being exposed in a way
that we couldn't have imagined.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
In the nineties. This was cool and super coolty years later.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
I'm not forcing anybody to do anything, but then you
start to incorporate those extracurricular activities and now you not
even yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
You out your body.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
She if you ain't talking, no door to name interested. Look,
they say, this guy's the limit. I'm going farther than that.
She get bling on my phone, so I called her mama,
come get.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Your daughter back. They want a little better thing.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Get them boys wagon what lew and I boysh of brain?

Speaker 1 (01:47):
But all that they said, this guy's limb.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I'm going fall though you can try Tuba King, Kimmy Falter.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I just bought it in life as in did it side?
Come with that all you leave the reason you broke.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
You don't know how ass Red rough Red? Do you
know what I'm thinking to the pullets as for a
bullet because he never felt want to stick onto the
wilds and nail gun round with adults on a nail something.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
And very few people that I you know, give what
they think about that Diddy ship.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
But what's your perspective on it?

Speaker 4 (02:21):
I'm watching it, bro, it's so it's it's it's layered,
it's not. You know, I don't have just one because
it depends on what facet of it we're talking to.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Mean that Okay, I'll ask you this fascet, what do
you think if you had to give a synopsis of
what you think is really going on? What do you
think is really going on with that ship? Do you
think it's really justice and player? Do you think what?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
I think?

Speaker 3 (02:43):
They try to embarrass that yeah, to where even if
he do beat the ship, ain't nobody gonna want to
stand there to him?

Speaker 4 (02:48):
And also I'm thinking I think they won't. They want
the assets as well. I think with the Rico charge,
because it wasn't a Rico if you're asking men, but
the Rico charge allows them to see this bad boy,
seize the home, seize the private jet, right kind of
take some of his wealth from him. Without the Rico charge,

(03:09):
I'm not sure if they would have the ability to
seize his assets.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
But see that's the thing with the embarrassment part of it.
And uh and uh you know the way that they are,
you know, kind of degrading his character. You prevent him
from ever being able to a costosac and gain those
things back.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yes, so you take them and then you leave them
butt naked.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, And that's the thing, man, I say this. I've
been saying this for a very long time. Man, I
can't name one that left with the money exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
And it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
It's like you, the statue of limitations on being a
black man in America is never up.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
You never know, they.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Can come snatch any And it's like the same things.
And it's crazy when you look at it, because as
a black man, we're demonized for the things the other
man is celebrated for, like Hugh Hefner, perfect example, celebrated
you know what I mean. You look at r Kelly

(04:10):
Elvis got married to his wife she was fourteen, in
front of the world. Nobody ever brings that up. Crazy,
So what is it about us that makes the necessity
to be able to humble? As you look at what
he said about the you know your daughter. They just humbling,
why we gotta be right? Why can we have any pride?

(04:30):
Why can't we have it?

Speaker 4 (04:31):
And it's almost like it's still the slave master mentality.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
It's still the slave boy.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
You don't you can't do that, like you can't do
you do what we say, not what we do, even
if we're doing it. We're partying on this island over
here with all these people, and he just go hush.
But did he like he you know, we're gonna put
his bring his to the front line before we even
hear about Wainstein.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Shit.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, nobody in for bro his shit. People are still
Jeffery Epstein.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
I mean, yeah, we've still been waiting on Epstein's listen
and we done heard. Didn't like the jet on his nipples?

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Like that was not like that. Come on, I know
them in jail like sitting that. Yeah, that's system. This
is the most terrified Come on, Slim, I wonder how
you dealing with that in the back there. I mean,
you know, I mean I would assume that you know,
you got to be mentally strong to be able to
be you know, have your ship put on front street

(05:30):
like that. But at the same time, like you said
if you look at just legally with the terminology like
that's the thing about the legal system. Man, it's all
in that, all of them words. We said this the
last time you think you speak English, you go to.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Court exactly.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Words and the cumbassing on you that you know what
I'm saying. So it's like I think that you know,
having the ability to fight, you know what I'm saying,
and going up against that monstrous you know when it
says it's one thing the state of whatever versus, but
the United States of America versus is something completely different.

(06:08):
For sure, you know what I'm saying. So that you
see that, and it's like whoa man? And then I'm wondering,
like some of the testimony against Diddy has been confusing
to me.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
One of the questions I had, especially when Cassie was testifying.
And of course we don't write, we don't shame victims,
but I think there's a conversation to be had about
when am I manipulating a woman or she's lying about
what she's into? Right, it's like a thin line betraying
the line between because to getting next to me, you
will go to land about what you're into. I might say, yo,

(06:42):
I like threesomes. I'm just a threesome kind of and
you'd be like, well one I want to like, I'm
with that.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, and then at any point you can turn it
off like that's the thing that you know. It's crazy
how the rules are set up because you think about
you know, pregnancy or having a child. You know what
I'm saying, Like, I have no sympathy or remorse for
it that don't take care of their babies. But at
the same time, I can understand why you frustrated if

(07:10):
you said you didn't want to have to deal with
that responsibility and somebody else made the choice, like Anthony Edward,
to make to make you a father when you said
you didn't want to. Now you still took the risk
of going up in there. You should have took the
you should have got the in showing as I always
But at the same time, you know what I mean,
It's it's crazy how the rules work because if you

(07:32):
go donate sperm to a sperm bank, you can give
as much as you want and they never can come
to exactly and you technically it's to say, yeah, you
know what I'm saying. So it's all and the rules.
It's very interesting.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
That's a very interesting point because that's a very interesting
point bro that that that how the sperm bank is
set up versus how has put these stipulations on a
sexual encounter, like yo, I don't want the kids, sweetie,
and she actually still pulls the trigger on Well, it happened,

(08:09):
and I'm keeping it. And most times that only is
coupled with someone that's financially stable. It's never it's not
a lot of times where it's coupled with someone that's struggling.
It's like it'll be a ball player or something like, Yo,
we're gonna have fun tonight, just gonna take a plan. B.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
I don't even play those games.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
I don't know why, dudes, especially in this climbing with
the ditties, the Shannon Sharps, all of this shit that's happening.
I don't play this freak azoid game that is playing.
And it sucks because I like the freak I like.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
I mean, yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
It's like, ain't no law against being a freaking ass,
but it is laws against being able to you know,
impose you know what, I'm saying, your will upon somebody
who is unwilling, And the thing about it is like,
as men, we'll never have the luxury of being the
victim and any circumstances, you know what I'm saying. That's

(09:02):
why I always preach, man, don't be a real everywhere
but in the house. Love to be a real everywhere,
but in front of who you supposed to be a
real in front of first, because you got to establish
who you are and what you are and say.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
This is what it is.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
There are no parameters that I'm not willing to express
before you know me, before you got any invested interest
in who I am as your person. This is who
I am as a person, right, so this is what
it is now. Mind you, you can be tricked in
the mother, but I'm with all that exact and then
once you start to shift in what she thought you
was gonna be now is well, I didn't say I.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Was in the awe, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
So that's a risk that you take, but you limit
the risks once you established that early, because anybody who
has an alterior motive, in my opinion at least that
has an alterior motive in regard to you, if you
lead with all the shit that make them embarrassed to
be able to say publicly, Yeah, if you leading with
all that, like, look, I'm never gonna do this, this, that,

(10:00):
and the third I don't give what you say. This
is not gonna happen. If this is what you're looking for,
don't come over here. And I'm gonna remind.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
You every chance. I even think you don't remember that.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
I said, right, it's gonna be like, you know what,
this ain't even worth the happiness that I might get
from this, ain't gonna be worth the detriment that I
got to continuously hear that this don't ever want to
be my boyfriend?

Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yeah, And you know, and so also thinking with Diddy,
I think Diddy was because you know, it's almost like
there's a shared blame because Cassie should have seen by
his actions that.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
This thing he ain't pulling the trigger on really being
with me.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
We just freaking, freaking, freaking freaking And when he started
inviting other people in and there's certain things he's doing.
You know, for me, I trust actions more than I
trust words. I've been raised that way, you know what
I'm saying. So for him and her, I guess he
did kind of manipulate and confuse it because he's telling us.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
That, which is easy to do. It's like the way
I look at it is like.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Everybody having a good time to the bill come right
that bill got to be paid. So we in the
club and you ordering two, three, four bottles or whatever,
and all that's cool when it's but when that bill come,
everybody start to Yeah, they getting out of here, looking
around and all that somebody gonna have to pay that bill.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
And usually if you the.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
One, you the one that's gonna have to pay that bill,
and everybody around you who got to have all the
fun and do all that shit when you look.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Around, And that's what dude going through right now, That's
what he's dealing with. You know what I'm saying, You don't.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Be accounted for the fact that, man, this bill coming.
At some point, I'm gonna have to pay this bill.
And for me, like you said, you never victim blamed.
And one of the things that I take from the situation,
especially as a father of a little girl, because that's
what people always asked when whenever I'm asked about it,
like if it was your daughter or if it was

(12:04):
That's one of the problems with our women specifically, know
who ain't got nobody coming behind them. I know y
gonna do everybody. You're not gonna play with everybody. It's
some women out here that you know you got to
respect because it's some ship that's gonna come behind them.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
That's a whole fact.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
You don't have somebody that's coming behind you, then you
allow yourself to be put in a situation where you
can be manipulated. Because as a man, as a father,
it's my job to teach my daughter what manipulation is
and what it looks like. See, I don't want I
put my daughter on a pedestal so she don't ever
have to look for no man. But in doing so,

(12:49):
I also have dialogue with her about the real situations
that I go through, that me and her mama go through,
that whatever she sees, We talk about these things because
when she gets to become a woman and she goes
out into the world and starts to operate on her own,
because that after a certain point, I gotta let you
go do that, you're gonna have to.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
I just want to be.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
The person that she comes to to say a dad, like, man,
what you thinking?

Speaker 1 (13:17):
But this man told me this.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
But see what this man told me, that me being
able to give her the advice of understanding that, hey,
you're only responsible up until a certain point, baby, because
after a certain point, I'm coming. I'm coming, and it
ain't gonna be nothing you can say. You can get
the screaming and hollering.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Don't do nothing to him, I please, I love, It's
too late.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
So you need to be able to navigate up until
that point because after that point there's nothing when.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
You over you know what I'm saying. But so even
with even with Cassie, I just.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
I think so it's like I couldn't imagine being her father.
It's like, how does she come to her father with Hey,
look they diddy, but this is what's going on, Like
he he won't marry me, but we freak off. I mean,
these are things you die with son, people peeing in
your mouth and shit. Yeah, but that's the thing, Like,

(14:13):
can you create an environment where she can come to
your daughter can come to you?

Speaker 3 (14:18):
That's what you into, deep, if that's what you're into,
because you got to be able to with a better
human being than me, because I know that if I
had the access that she has at this age, man.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, you'll be doing more. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
So whatever she gets into or decides to get into,
I can't allow myself to be you did what?

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Get the out of here? What's going on?

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Because I have to let you know that no matter what,
as long as you're not willingly hurting yourself and nobody else,
that's what I got to make sure you.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
And that's strong. That's a strong message. Brou And I
think this is important that we talk about because we've
ego is so bruised. Yeah, and we will. We can
kind of take accountability for things that we didn't even do.
Meaning if I did have a son or a daughter
who win and got into some freakazoid shit, you could
start to blame yourself, like what the fud?

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Never blame myself in that regard because you've grown and
once you start to make the decisions that you make.
I say this all the time, everybody's somebody's daughter. Think
about some of the shit you did with you know
what I mean, Like everybody's somebody baby. So for me,
it's like I can't exclude my daughter from real life.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
But do you feel as though do you feel as
though your teaching should have kept her out of those caves.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
I mean, but that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
I feel like my teaching should keep her from being
able to be walked into a cave.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Outside of her will.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
If you if you are willingly, if you willingly want
to go in there, and that's what you want to do, Hey,
are you safe? Take care of yourself. Don't come out
with nothing you can't get rid of. Personal protocol. I
teach personal protocol with my daughter. These are the things
that you need to look out for. These are the
questions that you need to ask. One of the first

(16:10):
things that I taught her is one of the problems
that I see women have. And this is coming from
a man who deals with women on all different types
of levels. Y'all ask the wrong questions and say that
you're looking for answers that those questions don't breed. You're
not gonna be able to answer from you. Ask you exactly.

(16:32):
You don't have to know what you want. In my opinion,
all you gotta know is what you don't want. What
you want is gonna change way more important. What you
want is gonna change, that's gonna fluctuate. You're gonna like
some shit today and and you're not gonna like it, demod.
But as long as you establishing what you don't want
to deal with, that's what you operate off. So if
you know that you don't want to deal with a liar,

(16:52):
you don't want to deal with a cheetah, as most
women say that they don't want to deal with, why
aren't you asking the questions that will let you know?
Because you obviously have dealt with it before to know
you don't want it, So why aren't you dealing with
the man in the regards to the way that you
know you can ask these questions that will let you
know if you're dealing with So But it looks like
Cassie was in a situation and I get this from

(17:13):
what something that was read in court. So it was
read in court that one of Cassie's friends asked her,
why don't you leave Diddy?

Speaker 1 (17:23):
And her response to that was jay Z is tooking
who else? I'm a date?

Speaker 4 (17:28):
So I say that to say and repping what you're
saying is it feels like Cassie knew what she want,
what she didn't want, what she didn't which was I
don't want a broken Yeah, wicked, And that can lead
you into some caves. Yeah, because ultimate power, power corrupts,
and that's the thing that comes with celebrity.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
And you talking about a billionaire. That what I'm saying,
So how do you even leave? So that's what I'm saying,
Let's roll play this.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
If this is your daughter, someone you care about, who
comes in that situation with with Diddy, and because like
like you said, at some point, I'm coming, like you're
chasing your you just yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, yeah, that's what you're gonna deal with.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
You're just gonna have to watch this ultimate powerful, these
six security God, they're gonna have to You're gonna watch
him beat your daddy to death after I shoot this
every time for sure, because that's just what's gonna have
to happen. And you gotta you have to do that
through actions I can say, but the showing up is
you gotta constantly show up to where they believe that. Right,

(18:35):
So you can say I'm coming, but you ain't never.
But see, I think about this. Diddy was so gone
on and this is what I'm saying. He clearly was
on drugs. He he was on drugs.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
He was for being now to reach out to that
woman's mother and say give me twenty five grand because
y'all are she's with kids cutting now, so you, you,
as a billionaire, is extorting the poor I want to
say poor, but a financially unstable family for money.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
But here's the thing. How much of this shit do
we know is actually exactly you true?

Speaker 1 (19:10):
That's well, I don't know, dag.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
She got up there and she showed that I took
out twenty five thousand, and it came that's.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
But all of those things, it's like, it's that's the
end result, you know what I'm saying, And I ain't
defending now we haven't done. But at the same time,
we don't know what the day to day was to
where what they had going on, Like innocence is something
that's taken for granted and especially in court because it's

(19:37):
what you're fighting for to prove. So the prosecutions job
is to prove that you're not. Your job is to
prove that you are, so that that muddy's the waters
in the process of getting up to that end result.
In my opinion, So you think about a relationship, being
in a relationship, the shit that you you know that
pillow talking and all of the things that go on

(19:58):
in a relationship and the day to day and the
power that she probably was able to benefit from the
power that he had, and being able to manipulate whatever
you want to manipulate, and just how that corrupts anybody.

(20:19):
That's going to corrupt anyone five years.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Easy that anybody.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
And so when you think about that ultimate level of corruption,
that's going to bleed into everything and everybody around you,
especially if you don't have nobody around you that can
tell you about yoursel Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, that's why I value people.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
I don't want you to I don't want nobody around me.
They can't tell me, hey, it's wrong with you. You
tripping Because once you eliminate that and remove those people,
everything you into the you know what I'm saying now,
it's just like, man, I can do whatever I want
to do. And then when that bill come and you
look around, it's like up with the bill. Yeah, so's

(21:01):
It's just one of those situations where I look at it,
it's like, man, you got to be able to have
self control no matter what you got going on. This
is a result of not having self in drugs too.
Drugs is a big party yah, you know.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
But see it so, but I'm still focused on Cassie
knowing what she doesn't want, which is I want a
rich man.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, and they ain't. But for these can like the
Diddy can ain't. But yeah it's.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Three three Yeah doctor dre jay Z did it. And
now you know what I mean, Kyler.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Perrys, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
But it's like, but it's like it ain't. It ain't
no lot of and I think she had got so
gun hole on.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Where do I go from this? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, but I mean, you know, getting thirty million goodness,
good what I'm saying goodness.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
It's like, what's you know I asked running off with
my crane men? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean that not
even that that's I don't even get.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
That'll make but that'll make a man who thinks he
has that level of power and control all of this,
that'll make.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
That bill came.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
But I just look at it, like you know what
I'm saying. You think about physical abuty like men that
are physically abusive the woman or what we saw on
that tape run that hallway and ship and like I said,
for me as a father, like I don't give who
you is you want to do it? To me exactly

(22:33):
how much is that ass whooping work?

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Right?

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Not that you know what I'm saying to me. I mean,
I mean that's the thing. You don't get to establish that.
You don't get to establish that. We don't get to
establish that. Once it's done, then in the ecosystem, you don't.
You don't get to establish that. Like so when you
playing them type of games and that type of power
to where now you get twenty from him and ten

(22:59):
from the hotel.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
It's like.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
The women who are suffering from domestic violence on a
day to day basis from an who don't even love itself,
let alone love you, It's like I can understand why
they can feel like, man, this is unfair to us
because it looks like there's a price that can be
put on my debtri Yes, you know what I'm saying.

(23:24):
It looks like there's something that somebody can pay in
exchange for getting knocked upside the head every day.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
And that's bullshit. You ask me something that you know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (23:35):
I look at it's like they that's the aspect that
most people aren't looking at. The man, these women are
going through this shit every day and they ain't got
no way, ain't getting nothing but another lump upside to
heat and trauma and dealing with it. And it's like
to put a price on it. Is the part that
bothers me when're suing civilly instead of criminally, Like if

(23:58):
somebody is criminally doing something to you or harming you
in some type of way, what how much that costs?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
If that's the situation.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
And I think it's like, yeah, yeah, that is an
unfair advantage that you have when you deal with some
of these rich men. Is that yo you can get
You could put a price tag on your pain or
your disappointment and then turn your relationship into pain, say
that it was more painful, or say that the experience
was more detrimental than it truly was.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Because she played a role in it.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
If you asked me, Cassie was supposed to be a
co conspirator because when we talk about who paid the prostitutes,
it was always Cassie who booked the prostitutes.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
It was always Cassie, right it did.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
He knew better than to put hisself on that side
of the business, so he never really exchanged money or
was involved in the booking process, but he always made orders.
They said that he was in a situation of where
he wouldn't even give her orders in front of people
unless they got extremely comfortable. That was understanding that if
we're here freaking and I get up and just walk out,

(25:04):
it's over with. Your job is to get up and
come hoghing. I got to holler at you about something.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, you know so.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
But he would always remove hisself from anyone that can say, yeah,
did he pay me, you know?

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Or did he did this and that and so? Is
that illegal?

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Though, that's what I'm saying. I don't think freaking is illegal.
That's not illegal, Like you know what I'm saying. Sex
trafficking is illegal, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
And then that's a broad broady Domestic violence is illegal,
But that's not what he getting chopped with, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
So it's like it's a slippery slope.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
But watching it for me, you know, being an eighties
baby that grew up in the nineties, it's just crazy
to see how the people that we looked at as
heroes are being exposed in a way that we couldn't
have imagined when we was.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Diddy like, calm on this nipple like that. It is unreal.
I'm talking, idn't even never ever in mind.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Bro, I'm not rubbing my come on my neverod like
we got to be like you, I'm you got to
get the out like, don't you ever what you're doing?

Speaker 1 (26:13):
You know what I'm saying? Like that, that's that's he.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Was going to be too far, yeah to be, but
to be exposed in that way it makes it to
where everything that you've ever done has been I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
This was a giant, the one of the biggest in.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
The world, not just in our culture, in culture periods,
because that's our greatest export is Black Americans.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
It is our culture, you know what I'm saying. So
this is the giant.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
This is one of the ones that has helped establish
the culture, conquered three or four industries decade and in
six months of a trial because ain't gonna remember none
of that.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
You can't now, I don't give out much.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
You like all about the Benjamin You're not gonna be
able to listen to it without thinking, man that I.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Can't believe this shit.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
But my question is why is that coming out in court?
Like what does that have to do with the case
or with the like. That's why I think the embarrassment
thing is at play, because what does that particular move
have to do with sex trafficking or rico?

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Let me ask you a conspiracy theorist question, right, because
I'm I'm I'm a big conspiracy theorist. Is always interesting
to me, Like if they presented you, if the they
that they talk about presented you a deal, right, you
get to have a diddy run.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
But this is the this is the bill. One day
we're gonna expose.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
All of the freaky shit you ever did, and it's
gonna be in front of the world.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
You're taking that deal. I might take the deal.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
That little ball, you know, might take Billy Bill Cosby
had to his ship, but they they locked him up
as some ship he did in the sixth Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think he had a fifty sixty almost a sixty
year one and then it just you go to g like, Okay,
you get the ball for and the money and has
come all that goes five years, but you give you

(28:12):
you go to jail for for for the last three Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Like, I might take that deal, man, I might.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Take I respect you for being really that I said,
because that's one of my problems that I got with
now is now everybody acting like they would went to
the party.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
In twenty stop bullshit.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, like, come on, all of a sudden, man, I
went to the party, but I didn't go to the party.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Which one was that? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (28:37):
And so for me, you know me, I'm always keep
it a hundred. I don't care nothing bout and so
of course I don't condone what happened.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
But if you're telling.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Me that I get a thirty year run private jit
like Rick Flayer, Privy shit, flying Bro's wearing I'm talking
about all of them, come on, man, Like you know,
at the end, they just tell you. Everything you do
in that time time, it's gonna come on out. So
just be careful what you do now. It's on you
if you start taking drugs and freaking off and all

(29:07):
of that. But like the thing is, man, like you know,
like I said, that's just the conspiracy theorist.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
But would you take it though? What would you do?
I need I need to build cobbon. You need sixty.
I need sixty, Yeah, I need sixty.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
I couldn't take the the thirty ain't enough thirty ain't enough. Nah,
not not for what, not for what you what's gonna
happen in the end, because you think about everything that
you built and it crumbling before your eyes, and you know,
in my mind that has to count for something as
a man.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Now you have to see that. I think to see that.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Crumble will probably do me more of a disservice than
the process of building it.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
But see, I think the bigger thing is those those
are silent deals anyway with the universe. So this isn't
something that someone has to tell you. You have to know
that that you know, if you're gonna be doing in
these kind of things at some point and receipt is coming, yeah,
you know, the universe don't come. Yeah, Universe don't miss nothing.

(30:07):
So I think, uh, yeah, it's the way.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
That's that's why I say, Man, if if you got
thirty years before that bill come, you're taking it sixty
for me, I take it.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
The thirty for me, I think it'll But but I
would know that the universe is always watching, so I
don't think I would go that.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
See that's the thing that's the scary part. You don't
get to established with how far is, And that's the plat.
You don't get this because in ritro in retrospect, how
far is in the nineties this was cool, super cool?
Tirty years later is you're a monster, you know what
I'm saying. So you don't get to establish what the

(30:48):
how far is. So you might think you're doing right,
or you might think you're doing what is in the
parameters of keeping it called you I'm not forcing anybody
to do anything, or I'm not. But then you start
to incorporate those, you know, extra curricular activities. Those mind
aretering mitigating factors that you don't that you don't count.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Your mind now you not even yourself, you out your body.
And that's why I think he was so angry.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Bro, Like Dudel was if I'm believing the testimonies right,
that he had flashes of and I know because I
saw I was outside a long time, so I know
how those are fixed of some of those drugs will
do you there.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Moved swings and all of that.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
So he would have certain moments w Bro, he just
kind of like snapped out, and then he'll call and
apologize or he'll call and be like, I'm like with
the mother thing that they were saying, right, he calls
her because she's dealing with kid cutting, according to the testimony,
and Yo, I'm gonna put these tapes out now. Think
about that. Logically he's the more famous person. You actually

(31:48):
think he gonna drop the tapes. No, but according to them,
he's doing that to not only scare Cassie, but to
kind of try to reel her back in.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
And I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
As a man, I know what it's like to have
a freak that you really really enjoy and you don't
want to lose her to someone else. But he went
to some extreme circumstances to try to real her back
in at certain times, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
But you know, but you know, I.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Don't think you want to lose. You don't want to lose.
And also it was like.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
She did things for him that I don't think he
was comfortable with other people knowing about.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
And another reason why you don't want.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
To I mean, that's why I say, who nasty of
getting a nut rubbed on their nibbles or walking across
the room with it on the thing? Who freaking You
know what I'm saying? How do you establish that. So
it's like, man, I can understand, you know, wigging out
and and doing all of these different things to try

(32:57):
to hold on to somebody who you know, apparently you
got from another man.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
They said she was with us.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yes, right, you know what I'm saying. So you know,
if you you lose him, how you got him. So
you're thinking that doing you on you? So that makes
you even more.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
For Sharonoyd and frustrating.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
And then also it's like it's also a scenario why
I'm saying to myself, certain.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Sex lends itself to power.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Regular sex is one thing, right, but when you start.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
To smacking and choking out and this shit could confuse
your brain, you start to think, this is my ship.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, you know, and he was playing a dangerous game.
Think about that, bro.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
He would have other dudes, according to the testimony, having
sex with this young lady to the tune of stop
right now more ore like he he he directly. Yeah,
It's like he was producing his entire life. He took
what he's done his whole life and took it to
the bedroom. He was still Yeah, he was still producing

(34:03):
the ship. And it was like, man, I think especially
even with Ston some of that BDSM. Sex is a
very slippery slope, man, because you can start to feel
like that there's a level of ownership because they'll tell
you certain ship and do certain ship that make you
think that they're submissive, and that can confuse you and thinking,
no way you with.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
That over there? You man, you remember what I And
it's like, no, brother, this was just a moment.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Said right, And you can't think about it from a
perspective of ownership because I say, man, if you don't
wake up in the morning to wash it pusson.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
You always say to you man, I always say that
you know what I mean, it's not yours.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
You can't impose your will in that regard because it's
always gonna end when that bill comes. It's going to
be ugly. It's always going to be ugly. It's not
your job to be able to dictate what a woman
does with her body in any capacity. And I believe
that Holly is a man. No man should be able
to tell a woman what she could do with her body,
you know. I mean, at the same time, you gotta

(35:07):
understand the value and what you have and not allowing
that to determine what you do with your as well,
or like you say too, a lot of men are
making deal behind closed doors, right, so they're not looking
these women in the face and being honest web been
in front of the mon You're supposed to be real
in front of immediately, right, And so for for you know,

(35:29):
when you look at something like this and you look
at somebody who you've been watching your you know, and
it's been rumors, you know, all types of rumors throughout
the years.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
But I was still I was still waving them off
though I'm thinking not all of them, but some of
that shit like the baby or like they damnar had
it down to a tee. They damnar had did it
down to a tee. Now there was a lot of
bullshit out too. If I if did it was as
powerful as they said, he would have stepped on some
of these medias and some of these people that were
getting these stories on.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
And now I don't think that the way the game work.
I think the game work a little differently than that,
because you know that there's.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
A level of.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Power that you know, you can corrupt in regards to
being us, Like, there's been too many examples of what
it looks like for us before him.

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Speaker 1 (38:09):
Let's get back to the show that had to But I'm.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Saying for when he hits the ring in a sense, yeah,
you know what I'm saying. So you know where to go, like,
you know who to tried, like and it's unfortunate that
that works that way, but I truly believe that.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Like no, but I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
The black media had these rumblings and they kind of,
if you asked me, they assisted the case in validating
the case. They started to be Jaguar Rce popping up
in certain interviews that were doing millions and millions of
that were speculating on shit gene deals and bodyguards and
people who used to work. I'm saying that shit right when.

(38:45):
And I do believe there's a route to get that
shit shut down because we saw Jay do it. Jag
war Wright tried to do the same thing to Jay.
He stepped right in, starts smushing some of that shit. Yeah,
did it kind of was waving it off like.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yeah, But once it's in the atmosphere, you can't. The
consumer has already consumed it, you know what I'm saying.
So you can say, what when you got that many
people that you have been employed, that you have employed
or have that have worked for you, or that have
worked for somebody who has worked for you, who is
working for somebody else working for you, and all of

(39:18):
these different things, and you know, sometimes you just walk
into a room, take a paper in your face, you
just sign it and walk off. You know, all of
those different type of things for that long of a
period of time. You probably didn't got tired of stepping
on shit, right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Ain't you think you above it? Yeah? You know what
I mean, You thinking that shit.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Ain't gonna say you didn't been no, you know what
not to say, so you you know, it's just, it's
just And that's just coming from a level of understanding
from what I've seen being on this side of the
curtain and being in the industry and being around certain
different types of environments and being able to have a
level of self control that I have to know that

(39:56):
if that's what it takes to get that, that ain't
for me, but you to be okay with that, because
once you get to see a certain level of power
and what it does, if you ain't never been nobody
outside of your environment, that's what you striving. You trying
to get to that. You know what I'm saying, You
don't never get enough of it. For me, I'm blessed

(40:16):
because I hadn't always been somebody. I was somebody in
my environment. I was forced to be that. My mother
pressured me to go outside because I can't teach you
how to be no man, You know what I mean?
I'm gonna show you what to do. I'm gonna show
you how not to act like a female, because that's
what I'm your mama. I'm gonna show you what this is,
what responsibility looks like, you know what I mean. And

(40:38):
I thank her for that every day before she left,
and especially now that she's gone, that she forced me
to go out and make a name for myself in
my environment where I come from and always being somebody
because I'm not affected by what comes with this life.
It doesn't move me. I know that it doesn't come
with anything of real substance.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
It's this is all bullshit. All what you think about me?
What do I think about me? Exactly? That's what counts.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
So that helped me not be a fall victim to
some of the being able to utilize some of the
power that I could utilize and being able to do
some of the things that I've been able to been
in a position to do, just because I don't give
a y'all go ahead, I'm straight.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
I mean, y'all get this safe, y'all do y'all thing.
I'm good. I don't need to be a part of that.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
I don't need to show all this I don't need
to walk around and act like I don't need a
hunted nigga with me.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
I've had a bunch of niggas with me before. It
ain't laid to nothing but bullshit. You know what I'm saying.
I didn't been through that. And at a certain point,
as a man, you have a responsibility. If the more
years that God grants you on this planet, you have
a responsibility to learn your ego and check your hot
headedness or your inability to control your impulse you have

(41:52):
and all of you, especially your emotions.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
First.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
That's what everything everything is based around you being able
to control these things as a man.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
And once you.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Start to go through that process as a man, in
my opinion, you learn that man, can't nobody do this
ship but me. Ain't nobody gonna be able to fix
me with me. I got a responsibility to do that.
And that's why when people see me out and I'm
amongst the people and that man, you you ain't got no,
you ain't with a nah man.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
I walk with.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
God man, and I truly believe that whatever come my way,
I'm prepared.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
And and that's that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
But I leave with love and respect at all times,
and the universe is in control, in control of that.
And I leave with love and respect, and God forbid
anything that comes in my stratos.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Fe that is not that I can act accordingly because I.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Know I didn't do anything exactly type of exactly and
with exactly, because I never with you know what I'm
saying you. So therefore I choose to operate and move
that way because I'm not affected by what people think
is supposed to come with success.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yes, success, and that there's a lot of pressure with this.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
Like I tell people, people expect things from me that
come with success that I'm not sure they have a
proper understanding or they calibrated enough to even understand what
success is.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
They expect you to pull up into big made backsit.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Man, listen here, man, I'm saving my family. Man. Man,
I'm the first one to do it. That's the thing.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Like when you the first one to do it, I
might not be the one to be able to get
the roles. And even though I can afford it exactly,
it ain't for me to have like you know what
I'm saying, But when you have got it, and I'm
glad that I have experienced what it was like to hustle,
because in my hustling phase, I was real good at hustling.

(43:47):
I started getting my own money when I was nine,
brushing people off at the barber shop. That's my start
with making my own dollars. Yes, so once I got
the understanding of what it what money did on each level,
I was able to do it at a high level.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
At my level, now, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
So once I got to where I made real money
and got to a real level of Okay, this.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Is real money, those traits never left. I know what it.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
I know what it feels like to go in and
blow whatever on whatever, and I know that I'm probably
gonna end up giving all this shit.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Away at the end. That's what I always have done.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
So I know now that man, it don't matter what
you get, if I get the if you get the betteriness.
But every black man listening that's out here chasing it,
just know, once you get it, all you're gonna be
able to do is get some more of it.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Yes, that's it.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
And you know what I've also noticed is because the
crib I got now was a crib that I said, boy,
when I get that crib, and now that crib is just.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Like you see what I'm saying. It's just it's just
how it works. Now, it's your how you live there.
You know, you go to sleep there, and you probably
stay in one room.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Brong in house. Don't get it. Don't even get used.
You ain't flesh the tallets in that month.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Like me and Lo's talk about that all the time,
Like when I go to his crib, we be in
one room. I'm like, man, we'd have worked our whole
lives and come in here and be in one room.
But it's just that's just the way it works. And
then once you get the understanding of that, you you
supposed to strive to have better and to do better,
and to improve your lifestyle and be able to have

(45:26):
the functionality to be able to wake up and do
what you want to do and know that you're leaving
a legacy. But just know that once you achieve those things,
that's when the work starts for real, because you'll find
yourself in a one bedroom apartment in a six bedroom.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
House exactly for sure.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
And that's me right now, Like my house is extremely
too big, I'm like yo, and I mean that by myself.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
I'll be like, yo, what what is this? But I've
already got it. And this was like it's like.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
For my room, I may go to the editing room,
and those are the two spaces I work.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
It's just like the rest of the house.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
I went out the other day because I got the
outside kitchen and all of that shit.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
I went out there the other day, cob Well, I
told you, man, that's everywhere, man, everywhere, and it's just
we strive to get.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
To my cars cab wheres I ain't in the car.
This shit is stupid. It's just access.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
And you don't really hear anybody talk about that side
of access. We only talk about the access. Yes, man,
I got man, I got man, and we balling. I
got money. I'm rolexes and divings and this and that
and all that. Man telling me that you got to
watch that you found that you ain't seen in six
months and forgot you had where they caught sixty six

(46:45):
seventy thousand dollars or some shit that you I went
through my closet the other day because you know me
b lousing the West man, I'm just like and I
and I always do that. I got a boys home
that I donate clothes too. That's just you be fly
to half the oh they love to see him come
through that. And you know, I've always been that way
because that's always been something that I've done, like getting flies.

(47:06):
It's em better than my DNA. Like I've been buying
my own clothes as I was thirteen. So it's just
been a process that I have grew with that just
is in me, not on me, you know what I'm saying.
But going through it and folding this stuff up, I
had to think about it. I'm like, man, I might
have to be a little bit more strategic with how
I get this stuff to these youngs because its dangerous

(47:29):
for some of these young to be walking around with
this shit like this.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
I had to catch myself.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Like the wait, wait, yeah, yeah, I'm like wait a minute,
like hold up, I gotta be more strategic. Then I
got a foundation now to wander sun. So I'm gonna
be a little bit more strategic. But in my mind,
I'm just giving it away here because that's the mentality
that you developed when you are able to do the
things for yourself that you and mind you. This is

(47:56):
this is something I've been doing since I was thirteen.
You can look at my Hospit year book. It's like, bro,
when you're taking me shop and when we're going in.
It's always been my thing. But in giving away stuff
as much as I do, especially clothing and shoes and
stuff like that, I had to remember that the danger
that I had to endure and had to navigate when

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I was a young nigga walking around with this type
of shit on in a junker, you know what I'm saying.
So me just giving it to them. They don't They
didn't even have the the you know, the ship that
I had to go through to accumulate what it took
to go by would make you a little bit more
swift about it and pay attention more. They just just
was given. So now you just freely not even knowing it.

(48:39):
It's somebody watching you, likes so on walking around and like, man,
I'm gonna get that. So just my mentality of having
to navigate that when I was a young looking at
me wanting to rob me all the goddamn time, I
had to be cognitive of the fact that. Okay, but
still for my vantage point, I'm giving all of ship

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away here.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
I don't because it don't mean nothing.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
And it's like you said, walking outside in his cobwebs
everywhere before you had that.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
I was dreaming about it, man, that.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
You're sitting out there watching it and you staring at
it and all that, and you you, you man, when
I get this, when I get that, and when you
get it, you like I ain't even.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Been out here. Yeah, that shit don't make it.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
And that's the part I remember to talk about. I
remember riding with Brandon Marshall. H went down to his
crib man. He drove me around and took me to
his old house, the house he got when he was
in the league. Because those guys, when you're in the NFL,
you make so much money that it literally ups your

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lifestyle and the way that you make case sustain when
you get out of the league. Right, So I think
the house was about seven million or something like that.
Someone else is living there now, but it was crazy
because he could still pull over to the gated community.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
The security people.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Knew who he was let us in and we went
over to the house and kind of got in front
of the house and he was like, yeah, bro, that's
my that was my you know, I put the lights there.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
I did that.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
And although he had a mansion still, because he still
has a mansion, maybe not a seven million dollar mansion,
but but he's seen me, yeah, three million dollar.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Mansion or whatever in Miami.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
But I think I think it was extremely interesting to
see him kind of reminisce on that, and it almost
felt like he felt like he lost something, you know
what I'm saying. But in my mind, you got the
three million dollar joint. That's that's hard, right, I just
don't know, I guess I guess. My question is I

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just wonder how that feels because I have never sold
a home or have to, Like, you know, you got
to get that high up to lose a seven million
dollar home. Say what you want about something one who
has to sell their ten million dollar home, but they
had to obtain it.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
They had to get up there, get that right.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
I went to Steve Horvey house in LA he was
about to get rid of it a couple of years back,
and I mean you had to go through a gate,
then you had to go down and go through another
gate to get to the gate get into his house. Yes,
it's one of them type of communities and I mean
beautiful home man. And he was like, man, I'm great,
you know this just just I just had this out here.

(51:27):
I'm great, great, get rid of this and you know,
go get mine, you know, just out here. And just
to see the way he talked about it made me realize,
no matter how much money you get, it's.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Going to be the same. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Just just this is my career is I'm about to
do that. I'm about to so you can you can
strive to get to that point. It's nothing wrong with that,
and we all should strive to get to that point.
But just know you can't hang your hat on being
happy with that yet with the proces getting there and
what you go through to make it. Because once you
get to that point, just know that it's not going

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to change ship about who you are in terms, is
just gonna be something else.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
You gotta do it right.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
And you know what, I think that was part of
my problem, or not problem. I think that's part of
the obstacle I'm having. It's coming from the lifestyle I
come from and getting into this industry and and you know,
reaching some success, it's like it's almost like I'm waiting
on the big bang or something, you know what I mean.
It's like I'm I don't because Bro, I've done everything,

(52:28):
I've lived and I made Like, Bro, I'm doing extremely well.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
But it's like I'm waiting on like a like a
big bang.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
You know, it doesn't work that work that way. I
think we all wait on that big check, that one
that come, that one that you hit and I want
it all and one.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Sometimes that devalues what you've done and what you're obtained
and what you're working and every day.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Man, you gotta know that the process when when I
think about my life and the reality of it. Man,
I don't beat the game, yes hundred times. Yes, I
didn't beat the game so many times. And you gotta
understand that each time you beat the game, man, you know,
and the credits roll, you got to sit through there
and read them credits, because that's all your work each.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Time you beat the game.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
If you just keep beating it and started over, you
don't never get to read the credits. And when you
read the credits, you see all of the work that
got put in to beat this part of the game.
And I'm eating the game, Bro, I done beat several games.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, I'm talking about that, Bro, Bro, I'm talking about
I'm talking about it in real life. Myne.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
I know I'm one of the coldest ever for in
America from what I come from.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Bro, Listen and I be by myself. You preach it
to the choir.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Man, Listen, man, this ship is the So it's like, Bro,
like you said, we gotta read the credits.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
You gotta read the credits, and you gotta read the
credits because like that's the thing that motivates me to
not be caught up and with nobody else's perception or
perspective of me is you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Some people going to agree, so I'm not going to agree.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
But whatever, you know what I mean because I know
I'm one of the greatest that ever leaves ever.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Period.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
There's nothing you can tell me that I didn't done
too much. I didn't been through too much. I didn't
watched too I didn't watch I didn't walked through situations
by myself with no help nobody to turn around to.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Daddy was dead. I ain't even have that.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
So for me to get to all this shit that
I didn't been able to accomplish, man ain't nothing you
could tell me. But that's because I'm That's why I'm
so externally humble, because internally I'm not. Every day I
wake up And that's what I tell young boys all
the time when I talk to groups of boys and
I come in to Chico Bean and they go crazy,
and I'm like, Hey, that excitement you just had to

(54:58):
see me?

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Had that to see yourself every day?

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Don't ever be more excited to see nobody more than
you excited to see yourself every day in the mirror.
Once you get to that point, oh man, you in there.
The world is your oyster.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
At that point, King nobody affected because I know I'm
dealing with results.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Yeah, like the the.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Jury is in, Like what out undone and what you like? Bro,
We've walked this ship down. I walked it down and
still going. It's still and just feel like I'm just
getting started. And that's the motivation of it, you know
what I'm saying, To be able to be to go
through everything you going through and know that. Man, I
ain't finished with the going through yet, but I'm prepared
for whatever.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
I'm gonna deal with it, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Like I said, it don't hurt my feelings to say
I went through about a depression about my mom. I
go through about the depression with all types of shit,
but I deal with it and I walk through it
another one I did I and I deal with it
like it's something that that that Scott Fay said that
always resonates with me about being a black man in
America and going through what we're going through. He said, Man,

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in this game, you either in a storm, on your
way into a storm, or just coming out of a
storm at all times. So no matter what you got
going on, those are the three realities. So once you
learn how to navigate that, and sometimes you got an umbrella,
sometimes you walking in the rain and you ain't got nothing.

(56:21):
Sometimes well, no matter what, as long as you learn
how to navigate those terrains within your mind, you'll be
all right no matter what come to you, because you
never know what that is gonna be. But just the
good is being able to wake up and look in
the mirror every day and say, man, I love what
I'm looking at.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
And also whatever comes get it, let's go to let's
get to it.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
And that spirit.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
People can feel that spirit right, people can actually feel,
oh you dealing with He ain't gonna lay down. You're
dealing with a moss. Yeah, yeah, dude, ain't laying.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Down like I'm gonna go. I'm gonna face it. I
ain't never had the luxury of running away from our problem.
Wasn't no gray area with me growing up. Like I said,
my mother was a Jedi. She did everything in reverse,
Like that calling and protection that you give a little boy,
especially a little boy whose father was murdered. You would
think that she would want to protect me from all
of the shit that outside had to offer.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Not want the man.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Get out of here, get out, get out there, get
out there, and you got responsibility. So for me, looking back,
like one of the things my therapist used to tell
me is that you gotta you know, what did the
little boy want to do that you didn't get to
do as a little boy.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
You can do those things now.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
And for me, one of the things was, you know,
I always used to have problems with when I was
dealing with the responsibility that I had as a young
anybody that know me or tell you being was always
on a mission. I was always either going to the
safe way to get the groceries or going to do
something for my ball, taking care of my little brother,
making sure he get up go to school every morning.
All that shit was every day. My problem was, man,

(57:57):
how they're gonna play the football game without me? How
they gonna ride bikes without me? Man without me? And
as a grown man, it made me realize that, man,
I was really ahead of the game because that responsibility
that I had to deal with. Then a lot of
my peers didn't know that you or your way to

(58:17):
having to deal with all this shit. I just I
just was ait. I just got a head style on it.
So now as a grown man, I'm not afraid of
response with bringing on. I ain't no running Whatever we're
gonna deal with, We're gonna deal with a head on.
Let's go ahead and get it out the way, whatever
it is, because I know that procrastination is something that's
just gonna delay the inevitable. Whatever it is we ducking,

(58:39):
we're gonna have to deal with it at some point and
a long time, and it's gonna come at the worst time.
So let's just go ahead and get it on out
the way. Now, Let's have the conversation, let's have the
difficult talks, Let's do whatever it is we need to
do and get it on out the way so now
we can move forward, you know what I'm saying. And
that makes it easier to be able to look at
yourself in America, because it becomes more difficult when you
know some ship that you want to say to somebody

(59:02):
that you ain't saying.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
I preach that to people, Man, what is you scared of?
You're scared of? What?

Speaker 3 (59:06):
What? What you're afraid of? You're afraid of what them?
I gonna say in return to what you feel, don't
be go for it? And you got to go for
it because if you don't bother that ship up, don't
do you no good.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
I tell you that out of time.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Now there is a way to go about it.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
And I think that's what scares people more than anything,
is that I want to say this, but.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
How do I say it or how do I get
to it? But Yo, you gotta you gotta just go
with it, bro.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
And I'm also working on Umar and Candice on She
been ducking Umar and I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Probably just because of the you know, when you think
about the type of environment that she comes from. She's
used to have an aggressive conversation without it being aggressive,
you know what I'm saying, Like that's seeing then Fox News.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
I watched Fox.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
News just to see what the talking talking, you know what,
I and watch them, you know, just dialogue without without
being aggressive like we are. But that's just our nature,
you know, we get excited, you know what I mean.
But I don't think that she's used to that. I
think that she probably has a fear of it being
a little bit overtly you know too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
You know she can't whooping with that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
Yeah, and I be trying to tell her or I
be putting out in the atmosphere.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Look, I'm gonna moderate this debate. I'm not gonna let
him just get that out. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
But Umar said in the last episode, He's like, yo, loan,
she ducking me because she know I'm gonna get at
the I'm gonna get at the white I'm gonna get
at the white husband.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Oh yeah, which is which is probably he like, he.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
Like, she knows where I staying as far as that,
and she know that I can't sit next to her
or across from her without addressing that dressing, you know
what I'm saying. But I'm like, yo, man, she asks
like she invites the conversation. So I'm confused because I
got access. I do my live shows literally with TSU.
So we be at room, we be on a college
campus with a full of college you know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
I mean that's something that I'm doing and working on,
as doing a symposium in front of HBCUs because I
went to an HBCU and I identify with where y'all
are in this process. And I want you to understand,
like when I every time I go back to my
school and talk to the communications department where I graduated
from hearing them talk, it's always so profound to me

(01:01:23):
because of the perspective that they have with the access
that the world that they live in is. I'm like, man,
they like, man, I feel like I ain't doing enough.
I feel like I ain't moving fast enough. How old
are you eighteen? But I understand why because again.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
It speaks to the highlight reel, Yeah, and it speaks
to the deficity that we all recognize.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Right, Like we said, we always start in the negative.
So far you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Feel like it's a level of paranoid annoy that you
think you don't get there. And you know, when I
was in college, I only knew what the people that
went to school with me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Looked like or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
I was able to travel to and see for a
lot of period of time. But you got you read
everybody's everything. You know what they're doing at TSU. If
you go to Ant, you know what they doing it
at Howard. If you go to the ham then you
know what they're doing at Hampton, if you go to Winston,
you know what they're doing it everywhere, so you know
what you know. I just went to Tuskegee and performed

(01:02:16):
and saluted the Tuskegee, but I didn't perform that. Pretty
much every HBCU are only Howard and Lincoln, I think
of the only two that I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Haven't don't that's dope, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
And the thing that is consistent is the experience is
the same everywhere. That's why I've been advocating for my baby.
I'm taking her on college a couple of college towards
this summer, but I want her to go to an
HBCU because at a PWI, there's no scenario where you
will ever be the majority. You'll never be the majority,

(01:02:48):
and that group think that you're going to develop and
it's such an essential time in your life, those years
you need to, in my opinion, you need to be
around people who are elevating their minds but also have
the same type of understanding of what the world is
going to be. No matter what we accomplish here, no

(01:03:10):
matter what we accomplish, this is gonna be our reality.
Be operating within that and amongst that. And it's something
that at HBCU does in regards to camaraderie, because I
tell people all the time, that's all college is. It's
about relationships. They're gonna teach you the job when you
get it. It's all about discipline and relationships. That's what
colead college is about. That's no matter if you in undergrad,

(01:03:31):
master's doctorate, is all showing that you can manage relationships
and be disciplined enough to do whatever is required for
you to get this piece of paper. If you're a
black person, HBCUs allow you to do that while also
developing an understanding of people who come from all different
walks of life. You're gonna have people who grew up

(01:03:52):
with some money. You're gonna everything, You're gonna get it
a PWI, but nobody is gonna be looking at you
like a right because we understand each other and that's
why it's so important to me to advocate for HBCUs
because when you go, like you said, somebody like you
who can come and sit in there and identify and

(01:04:12):
engage with these students because we are it's us, it's us,
it's us and us. It's the same everywhere. The movie
is the same. Yes, the names of the characters might
be a little different, in the set might be a
little different, but the plot is the same.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Yes all.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
And then there's also a level of education that I've
self educated an entire like probably like you know, like
I said, I go to sleep listening to books like
I'm I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
I don't listen to music.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
I always am listening to books or lectures or debates
or like foctional seeingn I listen to stuff like that
just for technique. That's what people don't understand how deep this.
That's why I'm saying, like the result people see doesn't
equate to the work that was put in bro Because

(01:05:03):
I'm telling you, man, like my last relationship, Shorty used
to be like yo, man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
I know everything on CNN, Like I just know what's.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
Going on in the world because every room this so
in he gonna put that ship on and it ain't
really because they're interested in what's going on. I just
want to see how they dialogue, how the point of
references and God say, you know what I mean, different techniques,
the sandwich technique where you leave with the compliments, you

(01:05:34):
put all the good ship in the middle, and then
you're in with the compliment. So all of those different
things are ways this strategy that you learn. But being
able to go to like lecture out of TSU, you're
teaching them ways to do it that they're not getting
from within the structure of the collegiate system. That's why
you're valuable because we need to see that brothers that

(01:05:57):
come from your line of background, because there's a young
version of you who just made the decision to go
to school that is going to identify with you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
That would have been me. I'm that that come from
that and did all of that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
But just my uncle got his brains blowed out and
it's scared to shoot out me. So I'm like, I
gotta do something with myself that's adjacent to this bullshit
because I know what they got waiting on me, and
this was a giant and I know I may end
up having to knock a neck off in a way
that I don't want to have to do, or they
gonna I'm not I know I'm bigger than so I'm
gonna go another route. We got DC tag DC Leap.

(01:06:32):
They're gonna pay in the state tuition for us to
go to school. That's what the influx of all of
us went to school. But somebody like you coming to talk.
There's somebody who is you who just made that decision
to go. There's somebody who is me as so many
young as me that I'm gonna talk directly to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
And then they are gonna talk to everybody else.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
Right, And then you know what's so interesting is after
my shows, I instruct my my production team to do testimonyies.
And these are not scripted, These are not you know,
they're not telling these people to give a positive review
or negative review.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
They're just saying, what do you think about the show today?

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
And those people would always point out, even if they
didn't know my name, they'd be like the host guy
was up there, and he was very interesting, and how
he would push Umar and say certain things and make Umar.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Clarify, and he was just doing a great job.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
And I think That's what I told Umar is I
opened up the market for him. Bro, a lot of
people just let him talk exactly when you talk to
Umar to just be like, go ahead, yeah, because he's
so he's so powerful, and he knows how to speak.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
He's a great speaker.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
But what you have done, and what I like about
watching you interview anybody is the accountability that you make
that you understand words, you understand dialogue in a way
to where you're not just going to be able to
hear something because it sounds good, Like all right, that
sounded good, But what.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
You mean right and clar how did you get to that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Yeah, yeah, he explained to me why.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
I can't you know what I mean white women? Right, yeah,
I mean beyond just yeah, all of the Frederick Douglass
and all that stuff that that you know, because you
can throw facts out there, you can talk, and because
you are throwing so much information out it's just sensory overload.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
But but somebody who is used to consuming information, Okay,
then I knew all that already. But tell me how
I get to the point.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
And then what I what I like to do, in
particular with with people who have strong stances. Is I
point out the contradiction in their lives. Right, So we get,
all right, so cool, don't sleep with a white women,
right because of d But what about doing this because
of da da da da da? Isn't that the same correlation,
just a different avenue, right, And it's like those things

(01:08:57):
that start to expose contradiction, and then I had I know,
for a fact, I've tooken Umar down roads where he
didn't have talking points for and a lot of people
who interview him, they don't get him away from the
talking point. Yeah, because he's so he's he's he's overloaded
with what he can say about this and that and
that and this and this and that, and so I

(01:09:19):
would consciously, but I'm working on it. I'm working on that.
Candis ONWS. I really want to make that happen because
I think that's that's easily person I would like to
talk to she's here a dialogue with she lives here
for real? Yeah, because you know, one of the things
that you learn when you know you you communicate.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
As much as I've had to throughout my life, is
that you know alternative perspectives. You should welcome that. You
know what I'm saying you should welcome being able to
have a dialogue because most deals are closed at tables
with people who.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Don't think the same.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Yes, but they come to a commonality of how we
can get to a that nation that benefits all of us.
And even if I'm allowing my people my village to
see how we don't have to be at war with
your village, but we can be we can agree to disagree.
And I think a lot of people, you know, misuse
that statement. In my opinion, the agreed to disagree. If

(01:10:17):
we agree to disagree, that means we've agreed that our perspectives,
we respect each other perspective enough. You've explained your your
idealism well enough for me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
To resp understand it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
I don't agree with it, but I don't agree, but
I see where you're coming back that you have it
and that you feel that way yes, and that right
there is something that is is our value mean, because
I don't have to agree with you, And I think
that's the only time the you know, the end all
be all, not that it's not that you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
And I think that's the only.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
Time you really learn is when two people who can
explain their differences sit together.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
I think real fireworks come out of that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Real learning I'm talking about generations come out of that,
Like when like if a Candice and a Umar sits
down and let's say me and you are moderating or something.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Bro. The dialogue that comes out of.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
That lives outfit and it benefits so many different people, Bro.
And that's why I'm confused as to what the dunking
is and and and if it is about.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Whatever it's about.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
I think she needs to let me know that so
I can try to see if we can navigate through,
navigate around that, man like, because it's needed. It's so needed,
especially with her perspective, because she's able to and she's
swiftly swift.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
She she has a very very swift, strong mind.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
So you know, that's something that I would want to see,
you know, for sure, And I make sure you know.
I advise you know, people to go back and watch
Malcolm debate, you know when he you know, the Harvard
Debates and and all these things. Oh yeah, go watch
Malcolm debate man, because his perspective is all and they're
asking them questions that that that would make the average

(01:12:02):
black man react aggressively because they're saying things that are inflammatory,
if you will. And the way that he masterfully answers
these questions is, you know, to me, he's the second
and the greatest. You know what I'm saying. As far
as just being able to him, man Ferry Cohn as well,
like Cohn, like if you ever, I grew up with

(01:12:23):
uncles in the Nation of Islam. So I remember sitting
in the basement and like I said, me not having
the father made me engage with men differently. So the
fact that they were so engaged with it made me
so engaged with it. But I didn't even realize that
I was getting that level.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Of game in that time.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
But watching like fer Cohn on sitcoms in the nineties,
Go watch him and Sally, Jason Rafael and all these
people coming up coming at coming at him from the
crowd and talking about how and he just, oh no,
so calm and collect for that questions. So calm and collected.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
That's what I need. I need that right now. I'm
in the mold where I don't I have that. But
but but I'm more a preacher. I'm more preacher like right,
and and what I like about me is when I
get going it's damnar like I'm wrapping damn there like
shit metaphors and analogies and ship and it's dope. But yeah,

(01:13:21):
but that Phara Kahn dude was such a oh man,
just how he would good question, brother, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
But then but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
But then there's also the side when he's speaking directly
to us.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
And he gets it. And that's what I love and
get rowd I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
And you see that he get and let you know,
like immediately and and and being able to watch those
types of speakers and have that type of you know,
and from each side of the game, like you know
what I mean. I'm I'm a fan of just I'm
a Bill mat fan me too.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
I love Bill.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
I love Bill Man, Like that's one of my goals.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Bill.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
You know what I'm saying, We need to make you
gotta make that because because just because of his ability
to be able to dialogue with people who all across
the board about everything and still have a comedic presence,
and him as a comedian is hilarious, you know what
I'm saying. Given his perspective on religion and his you know,

(01:14:19):
disbelief in God and all of that. Like, that's a
major thing that I love to see people dialogue about,
is people who are atheists or people who you know,
believe in different religions.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
And seeing him have.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Those type of dialogues peacefully, It's something that I've always
been engaged by because I just like to see how
people explain their lively is and like because that and
they're pro much the people perspective wise, So seeing people
be able to have those conversations has always been something
that I've gravitated towards. And then I'll sit and just
watch all day, you know what I mean. You see
me in the airport, my head down. I'm usually watching

(01:14:53):
a debate or listening to a book or or or
you know, watching you know what I mean, video and
I you know, you look at my algorithm. I go
all different types of different ways, but interviews and watching
people discuss certain things and shit that I value because dialogue,
you know, communication, rut of nation.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
And that's the beautiful and the most beautiful thing is
and bru listen. When I was coming up, I didn't
think it was entertaining. But as an older man, I
sit I can sit and get me some and sit
and watch this shit for two and three hours and
just be like really ingratiated in the conversation sometimes. And
that's also what got me to doing podcasting, is because

(01:15:35):
I would watch people and be so ingratiated with the
conversation that I'll pause it and be like, Nah, they
didn't even da and I'll be giving my perspective on
what they're giving their perspective on in real time, you
know what I'm saying, and so all of that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
But working that muscle, man, is what I love.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
I love to always work that muscle because it's nothing
like not stuttering and just getting right to your points
and smoothly, just being able to analogy, rhetoric, you just
knowing what you're doing. It's just that's the most beautiful dance.
To me, bro, in all of history. Communication is the
most beautiful. Yeah, I love it, brother, I love it.

(01:16:13):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Let me ask you this, do you think Trump is
gonna pardon Diddy?

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