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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It was read in court that one of Cassie's friends
asked her why don't you leave Diddy?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
And her response to that was jay Z is tooking
who else?

Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm a date? So I say that to say and
repping what you're saying is it feels like Cassie knew
what she want, what she didn't want, what she didn't
which was I don't want a broken niggas. Yeah, wicked,
and that can lead you into some caves, yeah, dad,
because ultimate power, power corrupts, and that's the thing that

(00:31):
comes with celebrity. And you're talking about a billion there.
That what I'm saying, So how do you even leave?
So that's what I'm saying. Let's roll play this. If
this is your daughter, someone you care about, who comes
in that situation with with Diddy, and because like like
you said, at some point, I'm coming like you chasing

(00:52):
your lead. You just yeah, I'm crotch this, Yeah yeah, yeah,
that's what you're gonna deal with. How You're just gonna
have to watch this ultimate for motherfucker. These six security guards,
they gonna have to you gonna watch him beat your
daddy to death after this time for sure, because that's
just what's gonna have to happen, and you gotta you.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Have to do that through action. Make sure y'all check
out the but Loom Man. The boy.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
The boy's very man like, you know, substantially smart man,
pedagogical man, and just a good guy all around man.
You first get the money, you got to catch up
from what you was behind on.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
You in a deficit.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
You in a deficit, You coming from nothing, So you
gotta get that nothing off your back before you can
even start to be in the positive. It's like black Friday.
You know, they call it black Friday because most of
the time, companies are in the red for most of
the year until that weekend, and it takes you into
the black. So you got to operate in the red
for a while, and then once you get out the

(01:55):
red and then you're in the black, that's when the
game is, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
So for me, it took me.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I tell people all the time I got on TV
in twenty thirteen, I didn't get ahead to where I
was caught up. I paid my student loans off and
all that till about twenty seventeen. Yeah, so it took
me almost six years to get ahead. I was getting money.
I wasn't fucked up, but I wasn't a head. It's
two different things. And I think that's what people don't know.
You gotta and you gotta allow yourself to have the

(02:23):
mentality that I'm going worry about the things that I
need to take care of instead of trying to impress
what's in front of me. Because if you try to
impress what's in front of you, then you're gonna lose.
You stay in the stay in the red for the
whole time. Like I lived in my college apartment probably
up until I couldn't stay there no more. And I
just say I couldn't stay there no more because I
was coming back off the road and people was like,

(02:44):
I told you lived here. Then I was like, okay,
now I'm to move. Well, yeah, I drove until it
had three hundred and thirteen thousand miles on. That was
just me understanding that I gotta get out the red.
Once I get in the black, then I can start
operating because I know how to get money hustling my
whole life. But that wasn't the system's way of respectable

(03:06):
money maker.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
You know what I'm saying. This was just the way
that we were taught.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
How to be a functional in our environment, which isn't
respected in the grand scheme. So you got to figure
out how to be respected in the grand scheme before
you can start to move forward. Got to pay them
be and it and it doesn't stop when you die.
You know what I mean, to your family, they gonna
have to take responsibility because your state is always going

(03:33):
to be responsible for whatever bills you incur. That's why,
you know, one of the greatest pieces of game I
ever got was the insurance game. Always get that gave
me that. Always get the insurance man that that came
from somebody who I highly respect, and I'm talking about
and down wealth on every level.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Always get the insurance.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Like for a long time, when I was just telling
you about me being able to get back, I couldn't
rint cards from nobody. I was on the do not
rent list just because of just getting in the little
accident whatever the little ship. This ship and you know
National is owned by enterprise with everything, so it's like

(04:16):
coming I said, you know what I mean, Mountain dew Yo.
Once I got out of that and was able to
pay all that off, there's never a time I rent
a car, well, I don't get their insurance. People like
you can put it on your No, I don't. If
I flipped this hits on them. Here is because I
took that and paid that little extra money to get

(04:38):
the inshowing I do that every time, always, every time,
and it be insufficient money. It ain't.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
A day or so.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Right there, It's going to save you to where you
don't have to worry because you know the inevitable is
always to be expected when you come, especially when you
come from the type of background I come from. I
know what instant change looks like on every level. I
had to bury family members that was telling me what
we was gread do in a couple hours that I

(05:06):
never saw again. You know what I'm saying, I know
what that feels like. So I know we have no
control over none of that. When it comes to the
life aspects of everything that you do, you're now in control.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
We have plans, but you know what I mean, your
plan and God plan is you know what I mean.
You hope it may not work, not work in concert.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
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Speaker 1 (07:35):
They should be saying, if you put some insurance on
me when I leave, just make sure my kids get
a little something like you could pass wealth down through
the insurance game. Why low gave me that game long
soon he got out, bro, you were Like, first thing
he done was when it the insurance cause he learned it.
That's how most people pass wealth down it. But I've
also seen people, yeah, I've also seen people get that

(07:56):
insurance money and run through it like it's a dope
pack or something.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Ain't no that's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
But the unfortunate part and the fortunate part is just
all perspective because shit, you gone, yeah, you know you
ain't got no control. You try to instill that knowledge
basing your people when you're here, but who knows. But
the thing is, you know you did bere supposed to do.
Like for me, it's about to pitch over the fireplace.

(08:21):
You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.
And that's what it's about because at the end of
the day, we all got to leave away from here
and nobody knows when, nobody knows when that date is.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
You You that's what's scared.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I mean, it really isn't because at least in my mind,
from dealing with all of the death that I've dealt
with in my life throughout my life and having to
see it head on the way that I have had
to see it throughout my time talking about my father
was murdered when I was a baby, so my first
concept of understanding of who I was was something that
I needed was never going to be there for me.

(08:54):
So this is something that I learned immediately. But it's
really the it's what we're gearing. We act as though
this part is guaranteed. When this is not guaranteed. The
death is guaranteed to all of us. That's one thing
we all have in common. So if you understand that,
then you know to move with a certain level of

(09:15):
intensity and not just intensity, but you know what I mean,
what's the word I'm looking for when you move in purpose,
like you just have a certain level of purpose to
understand the intention that you go. Thank you move with
a certain level of intention of what it's going to
look like and not being afraid to have that conversation. See,
most people are afraid to talk about it because they
feel like, oh, if I talk about bring it gold,

(09:37):
it's no such thing as that you're not in control
of that. What you need to understand, and from my
vantaged point is you have a responsibility for the people
that are going to be here. One day is going
to be your last day here with everybody that you love,
whether it be them or you first, it's going to
be your last day. So what legacy do you want
to leave when that occurs? You know, I got a daughter.

(09:58):
My daughter is going to to know that when I
was here, no matter what happens, you know, no matter
if I live another sixty years or whatever happens, you're
gonna know that when I was here, my main purpose
was making sure that your days were better than mine
while I was here, and especially after I'm gone, right,
You know, you know I think minus is not I
don't think my fear is driven by thinking that the

(10:20):
inevitable won't take place. I'm always thinking, like, I'm not
sure that they're ready to take this position because this
position is in my advantage point is it's more than
they're prepared for anybody, any of my lineage. And I
don't see no one behind me that I can say

(10:43):
can step in this spot and cover as much ground
as I've covered, And I think that's scary for me.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
I don't know why, man, because.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Don't you think that's your responsibility to be able to
incure that type of response from your people, you know
what I mean, even if it's somebody that you know
not be the person that may be next in line,
that might not be the person that's for it, But
there's somebody there that you can pour that into, that
you can get that game too, that's gonna take it.
Like for me, you know, not having a father allowed

(11:13):
me to get gained from all different perspectives. And but
when I did Steve Harvey's Boys camp, he has a
camp that he does every summer where he has all
boys with no fathers come in, and my message to
them was, yeah, you don't have your father, so you're
at a disadvantage. But everything that you do is about perspective.
I didn't have a father, but I also never had

(11:33):
to live up to what my father wanted me to be.
I also was never disappointed by him, never told me
he was coming to get me and didn't show up.
So I was allowed to get gained from places that
I might have been shut off from because my daddy
didn't like this. But my daddy didn't understand that, Yes,
so you are at a disadvantage because you don't have
the direct eye line of why you act the where

(11:55):
you act or why you you know what I mean?
You look, some people don't have to add yeah, you
know what I mean. Whatever it is you do that
makes you the person and the man that you are.
Because you are your father in pretty much every way,
You're still able now to get gain from all different perspectives.
So it opens you up, opens you up to be
able to learn. And for me, that's one of the

(12:16):
things that I was gracious. I'm gracious about for as
a man because a lot of people embrace me that
didn't have that responsibility to do so because they saw
something in me that said, Okay, my son might not
get it, my nephew might not get it, but this
year is Lord, yes I'm gonna give it to him.
So it's your responsibility to find that. It might not
be your lineage, but if you can find somebody who

(12:38):
you know is going to take care of the responsibility
in the way you see it fit to be taken
care of, then that's what you pull into. Yeah, because
you know what I came up. It's a couple different things. Right,
Some people live with their father, but don't have their father,
no for sure. Right, you could be in a home
with your father and him not be present enough to
make a difference. Only be detrimental, only be a drug addict.

(13:01):
So you can also while you do, while you may
understand why you lean this way, or why you feel
this way or talk this way, you can also inherit
some of those bad traits that your father has as well,
and he can install things in you that take you
a lifetime break to break right. So it's also from
that perspective. But for me when I was younger, I

(13:23):
had just posted by the ag cop and said, man, honey,
black Ben is now using your face at Banquet's fundraisers
to you know, try to give money, like to say, Yo,
we go in the hood, we help kids, and Todd
is one of the kids we've helped. He's now gone
off to do great things. This that and the third
one hundred black men a black man. Yeah, it's like

(13:43):
an organization, man. And I don't I don't know why, Like,
you know, here's the thing my life. It seems like
a blurb, bro. I think I have a trauma response
to life at this point. I don't celebrate things. I
don't feel anything. I'm just going And I think that
that happens because I've been through so much trauma and
just pain that the only way to move forward is

(14:06):
to like that happened. That the go let's get it.
That happened, Let's go, let's get it. They left, they
let's get it. He told on you let's go. We
gotta keep moving. We got cover ground. Man, Ain't nobody
else gonna cover this ground. But that has robbed me
of not only it's protected me and robbed me. It's
like it's twofold.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Wile it has.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Protected me from being emotionally attached to things that I
feel like can pull me down, it also hasn't allowed
me to feel things that can lift me up. So
I'm dealing with that man like my life. Bright had
done so much shit, and I've been through so much
shit that sometimes I even forget. Like when AG called
me like your one hundred black men as usually, I said, damn,

(14:46):
I even forgot. I was in one hundred Black men,
and I was in that from eight nine years of
my adolescent years. Bro. They used to come and get
us and give what they give us a mentor. And
I had a guy named James Coatson who went to
more House, and these were just strong black men like
millionaire dudes who doctor's lawy, you're smart, just smart guys.

(15:06):
And they were showing us from the ghetto that, oh man,
you ain't got to be like like man, you can
be a psychiatrist and drive a Cadillac. That's the first
Cadillac I got in, right, It's like and so I
grabbed a lot from it. But I just don't understand
why I don't feel it. I don't remember it or
I don't it's like it's all been a blur.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
The deaths, the.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Prizes, the winds, the law, all that shit is just
smashed together, and it's like in the back of me,
I don't know what that is. You gotta well, from
my perspective, you gotta find solace in isolation, you know
what I mean. A lot of us think that isolation
is prison, and you know what I mean, we associate
isolation with negative connotation. But for me, that's helped me

(15:51):
tremendously is finding peace when it's just me and going
through my own thoughts. Like nah, I say, ninety seven
percent of the time, time loom like after shows, after
I work, I'm riding around on the highway, listening to music,
talking to myself because that's that internal revenue that I

(16:12):
have to do with myself to be able to deal
with all of the things. But I got to give
myself time to be able to functionally understand how the
things that I've been through have affected me. And nobody
else can do that for me. I have therapy, all
that's cool, but you got to be able to work
it out amongst yourself and for me, Like I tell
you a story, I just was. You know, my mother's
four year anniversary of passing away was May fourth. I

(16:36):
went through a vicious about of depression, you know what
I'm saying, which happens from time to time to me,
just through all the things that I've been through because
a lot of the people that raised me are gone.
They out of here, you know what I'm saying. So
I went to Vegas just to go out there, and
you know what I mean, just to buy myself. I
ain't tell nobody where I was going. I ended up

(16:56):
running in the tea pane just randomly, and I think
I've seen it's in the hotel lobby. And we sat
and chopped it up for three four hours, just talking.
And for me, those little pieces of mental relief are
what I use when it's just me to understand that
these are the things that God has given me to

(17:18):
let me see that I'm not by myself, even if
it's just something that's you know, random is running into
a partner in the hotel lobby. But I got to
take the time to understand that that's what that was,
because without me understanding that's what that was, it'll.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Just be some shit that happened, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
And for me, like I watched my mama pass away,
I watched my uncle Reggie that's so deep broke. I
watched her out back until she died. It's so deep,
you know what I'm saying. I watched that happen, and
then I remember at that moment being you know, stern
enough in front of the hospital people, in front of

(17:55):
the doctors and everything to hold my composure. But when
I walk out of that room and that light hit me,
a hole got ripped into me that I knew the
rest of my life is going to be spent with
me trying to fill this hole up. Because you know,
I heard Los talk about it in the interview. Your
anchor is gone, you know what I'm saying, She's out
of here, so for me filling that hole up. And

(18:18):
mind you, this is coming from a person who thought
they was prepped for all whatever. Yeah, prior to my mother,
like I said, my father dead, my uncle who was
like my father, I watched him die, kissed him on
his forehead when he flatlined, I didn't watched multiple friends
in the streets go all types of shit, So I
thought I was prepped.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
It's like going into a fight thinking you didne did everything.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
I'm trying the whole week, showing.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Everything, and then all of a sudden you get hit
with some shit and you're like, oh my god, what
has come from? Now?

Speaker 2 (18:51):
You got to readjust?

Speaker 1 (18:52):
So that readjustment period this time, for some reason was
just really really difficult for me, and I took the
time I was riding around Vegas and you know, just
gathering my thoughts, and I realized that, man, you have
a responsibility to yourself to always know that you have

(19:13):
to take the things that are given to you and
utilize them to make what you're given as valuable as possible,
and as difficult as that may be, that's only on you.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
So all the.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Time that you just going just going, just going. My
advice would be bro not even you know, as people say,
sit down and smell the flowers, but just take the
time to understand what you then made it through and
how miss didn't that you didn't been around it didn't
make it through that r and for you to still
be here and still be functioning and still have the

(19:49):
mental capacity because like us, got every excuse to be
out here, throwed off somewhere. So for you to still
have the mental capacity, that's something that is been a
blessing in your life. So don't allow yourself to just
constantly move, move, move, move move. It's always good to
have that type of muscle. But still take the time
to understand that. Man, you a hell of an yeah.

(20:10):
And you know what, brother, I think for me anyway,
the isolation thing.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Is what I do. And I think that's what robbed
me of everything.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
You think, So why I got too comfortable being a
isolating Yeah, and that that that that kind of I
never understood the value of family and loving people. And
right once I got isolated, it felt I was protected.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I'm like, oh, this is it. Now, they can't get me.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
I'm insulated, isolated, I got money, I'm working, but then
it was like, hold on, brother, you ain't experiencing. You're
not You're not relation in anything. Nothing's mattering to you.
And again, it's almost like putting a It's almost like
not accepting love for the sake of a heartbreak. But
you also never get the experience the great things that

(21:06):
love has, the awful right and that's what I feel like.
I'm in the shell that I've been in since the
street and I can't break ot this. But so you
got to look at it from a different vantage point, Loan.
You gotta think your isolation has allowed you to have
the mental capacity right reach millions, Yes, to reach millions, yeah, brother,

(21:28):
I mean to touch a certain demographic that don't listen
to nobody, But that got the type of experiences that
you have. So that isolation has granted you the ability
to be able to sit in front of a camera
where I'm sure at one point in your life the
camera was the last thing you wanted to see under
any that's the last yeah, exactly, you know what I'm saying.

(21:51):
So you got to look at it. It's all perspective,
and me being able to have this level of understanding
only comes from me still utilizing that isolation in a
way to you know, coping mechanisms essential for guys like us,
because for me, I understand it as a man, being
useful is a necessity for us being able.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
To be useful to damn be used. But see, that's
the thing.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
It's a fine line between being able to be useful
and then allowing yourself to be used because we all
are being used and some ways, some kind of way,
and that usefulness is being used. So you got to
be able to identify, you know, what that is and
understand that that's a necessity for a man to be
able to be used in some way, shape or form.
Some of it is gonna come with pay, some of

(22:39):
it is gonna come with love from family, Some of
it is gonna come from admiration from strangers.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Some of it is gonna come from hate.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
All of it is encompassed in that usefulness that we
need to have as men. So you being able to
find that isolation within yourself and that protection that you
put on yourself has allowed you to be able to
reach people in ways and walk in the rooms and
be able to walk into a room without I didn't
been around you, bro, Like I know the type of energy.
That's why we connect so much, because I know you

(23:07):
don't got to be the loudest in the room. You
can be the silence and still be the focal point
because your energy is I don't need none of this
to be who I am. My mirror is my validation. Lord,
you know what I'm saying, So that right there is
a necessity for you to understand, Just to know that, Bro,
you ain't cheating yourself because you're giving yourself in ways

(23:30):
that you probably never even thought that you would be
able to do on a day to day basis. Especially
being in the streets, you're only able to see what's
in front of you if day to day it's minute
by minute, because you never know, you know what I'm saying.
So for you to be in a position now where
you can sit and express yourself not just on your
own platform, but stretch yourself amongst other people's platforms, allow

(23:53):
people to come in and sit with you and feel
comfortable in the nature of what they have in dialogue
that they don't have with nobody else at all. That's
what you know. We pride ourselves and especially me, Low's fly,
all of us. Yeah, we pride ourselves on You ain't
got to worry about us asking you none of that
sulf We want to talk to you and make you
have intelligent, real conversation, engaging dialogue. That's why I'm always

(24:17):
excited to sit with you. I appreciate you, bro. It's engaging,
and we don't have to talk about what everybody else
is talking about what everybody else don't? You know? You
one of my favorite people man. And I tell my fans,
I'm like, when I look at Chico being interviews online.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
We literally had so.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Of course Breakfast Club, you always knocked that shit out
the Paul it's always an Elma Better on Breakfast Club,
T pain you in T pain chemistry is crazy?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Did it's us?

Speaker 1 (24:47):
And I'm like, yo, me and this did eight hundred thousand,
and we didn't talk about no current top. No, it's
not necessary because when you get into an environment where
you can where you feel comfortable as as a man,
that's a that's a necessity that a lot of us
take for granted, being comfortable.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
You know what I'm saying, because as.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
A man, for real, the world is set up for
you to be uncomfortable and be able to with it. Yeah,
navigate that being uncomfortable. Yes, So when you find a
level of comfort, especially amongst another black man who you
didn't grow up with, from a different city, different environment,
and you able to find that camaraderie, man's that's priceless.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
And I'm telling I tell my fans, I'm like, bro,
I'm so amazed with that. And then all of the comments,
people just like, bro, we need more of this, we
need more of this, And I'm like, this ain't even
what they have podcasting, ass right, they have podcasting as
chasing the clique, chasing the current topics and things like that.
We literally sat and chopped it up about no current

(25:51):
topics and just talked about life and love and relationships
and growing up and black fatherhood and shit like that.
And it did eight hundred thousand on the first one,
six hundred thousand on the second. I'm like, because that's
what we need, that's what's missing, and that's what you provide.
And that's why I try to make sure that whenever
I'm in your presence or around you to let you know, bro,

(26:12):
it ain't too many people that's speaking what you speaking,
and you you by yourself most of the time. You
know what I mean to keep that attention span of
people when it's just you talking and it's just you
and the camera and you ain't got nobody that's a
celebrity or and you talking about whatever it is you
talking about and giving game, and people can sit and
engage in that. Sometimes a nigga don't even have to

(26:34):
be paying attention. I just got you running in the back,
right because subconsciously that's feeding me. Whether you know it
or not, your subconscious mind is a hundred times more
powerful than your sleep. Listening in the books and me
too all the time. You know, See, that's why we click.
It is because we own the same frequency. Right, We
elevated this peak perspective, And that's why I try to

(26:55):
tell people, but we have to do a better job
at galvanizing us in a group together, right, whether they
be online virtual, We got to congregate more because that's
what let people know over here over here. That's why
I'm saying what I'm saying to you about that isolation,
because a lot of us have that commonality and being isolated.

(27:16):
Dudes with perspectives like us and been through the type
of things. So if you keep that perspective of ah,
I'm not going, then we'll never be able to gather
that us because you got to figure out if we
could be the example of what it looks like to
just for a nigga to open up and say, you
know what, maybe just in this space, maybe if I
got just this space, maybe for you know, five ten

(27:37):
minutes a day, I just open myself up to my
own thoughts and expressing it, even if I'm not expressing
it to no other person, just expressing it in some
way while I'm letting the shit out and allowing myself
to be free of that pressure that I've become so
accustomed with dealing with on a day to day basis.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Then you allow yourself.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
To find your community, you know what I'm saying, in
ways that you're not going to be to find it.
Like I always tell people like niggas wait to go
to jail to get intelligent. It's like slim, you ain't
gotta wait to go to jail to read a book.
You ain't gotta wait gotta go to jail to be respectful. Yeah, yeah,
I ain't got to wait to go to jail to
work out right. You know what I'm saying, You can
do a world free world. Yeah, man, I had a

(28:16):
got I got a call from the fizzs literally yesterday. Also,
make sure these cameras are still rolling, you know, some
of them they'll cut off. But I got a call
from the fish yesterday. One of my homeboys. Man, he'
done been to jail a million times. He probably not
he probably he probably forty eight. He probably not done
twenty six years in jail and stas like, yeah, you

(28:37):
know eight, he'll get out for two years. Go do six,
get out for a year, go do three?

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Get out. So he in the fiz right now.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
And he called me, him and my cousin, who I
told you got called with the six hundred thousand, seven
hundred k whatever it was about six fifty.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Both of them niggas call me in.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
The first thing they say now is na man, man,
I'm off all this shit, bro, like the real Hebrew
Israel life. Like they going all way, and I'm saying, oh,
y'all wait, I've been preaching this like, bro, listen when
they The reason why when I came in the game,
I was so hard on niggas that sell dope is
because I just left the game and I saw things

(29:16):
like that nigga. My cousin get caught seven hundred thousand,
while I of them took a hundred and put into
this shit and trying to figure it out, run before
it on this thirty trying to just figure this content
shit out. I'm seeing ain't nobody else moving from outside
of the game. And I came in saying, oh, niggas done,
even though they wasn't done, but I had to communicate

(29:38):
that way so they get the message. So I'm like, man,
you know, just was real hard on niggas that only
sold dope and had enough money to go get a
house or get into real estate or open a business.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I just was extremely.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Rough on those guys when I first got in the game,
and it would resonate so bad because other men, especially
men who had got out of the street, were feeling
that and just so happy for me. There's a lot
of powerful men in this industry who did come from
the street and was like, he's preaching that shit that
we need to hear. And so I would be really

(30:15):
talking to my home boys. I cracked the camera up
and I'm talking to hundreds of thousands of people, but
I'm really talking to my guys. Who's still out there
selling dope, bullshitting, and they got money.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
They got fined six cars. I remember leaving the street.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Man, I had one car, and I had enough money
to get a meeting car on you know how many
calls of warning. But I had one car and I
had three times the money as one of my counterparts.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
But he had five cars and.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
A condo and a crib and an apartment and he
was paying all HRB bills and tricking on this girl.
And I'm looking like, all your money, you hustling to
pay bills standing the ring. Yay, That's exactly what he
was doing. He was staying in the ring. And so Bro,
when I came in the game, I was just so
rough on it. So now to be getting those calls
from the Fizz or some of those guys are saying, like, yo,

(31:08):
when I get out, Bro, like I'm start trying to
talk to the kids, man, and just I'm on some
you know, of course, I know jail talk, but these guys,
I truly believe they done been spanked and talked in.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
You going there in that discipline and all of that
shit that you can find and niggas, you know, what
I mean. I tell people all the time, and I
talk to dudes that come from where I come from.
I got a homeboy. Now this gray get knocked over
the head. You know what I'm saying for doing some
dumb ass shit that I constantly was telling the man,
check man, what is you doing?

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Right? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (31:37):
But you know, if you want to go ahead, go ahead,
go ahead. At the end of the day, you gotta
let a nigga be what he gonna be. But at
the same time, Slim, you could have become a Muslim
when you was free exactly. You know what I mean,
because that discipline they gonna instill in and you when
you get into that federal system, that discipline. You can
find that discipline here and there's plenty of dudes who
have been in them situations that'll give it to you. Yes,

(31:58):
that's really looking to that. You know, hey, that ain't
where you want to go. This is where you want
to be at. You know what I'm saying. For me,
like I even have to challenge myself. I challenge myself
every single day, Like I aud it myself every day.
Without it, there's not a day to go past it.
I don't audit myself and sometimes you know what I mean,
I be having to check myself in a real way.

(32:18):
Like for example, you know, I found out I had
high blood pressure right in December, right before I went
to Africa, and you know, I was like, man, I
don't you know, I ain't got a you know, I
don't feel like nothing wrong with it. I went back
in January, right before I went to out the country,
and the doctor or the black man, and like when

(32:38):
the second doctor came in, like when the second police
come here, Like he came in and was like, hey, man,
everybody lead. I got to talk to this brother.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
He was like, man, I don't think you understand the
severity of what this is for us, right, you know
what I mean. I don't think they can't explain it
to you. How I may explain it to you, But
I got to let you know, man, this is this
is serious. He said, you know one of the biggest
of hot blood pressure is it rectile dysfunction. I was like, what,
I got a chance. I won't eat meat, food, no
more niggas, but I got a change. But you know,

(33:09):
we had a long conversation. But in my own internal
audit that I do. I was like, man, that's a
fucking shame that they told me that I had high
blood pressure. They had to take that nigga telling me
my dick wasn't gonna work for me to feel like
I needed to move myself to change my ways. And
now I didn't lost thirty pounds. I can tell to
I tell that, I can tell you to slim get
me dead because I had to because it's like, man,

(33:32):
I can't see myself all of the hall walls ship.
I have made it through going in the streets outne
beat all these different mental you know, just all types
of gymnastics and nigga that had to go through in
my life. And you won't allowed Fried Chicken to take
you out of nigga. When I said, you know what
I'm saying, like you're gonna walk around put it out

(33:55):
to each other. We got to put it like that, like, bro,
you're gonna really this can't stop. You can't stop breaking,
you can't stop the most And it's the thing, I
understand it.

Speaker 2 (34:05):

Speaker 1 (34:06):
I say this all the time, you know, and me
talking about it now because it's been it was difficult, bro,
Like because as black men, We work so hard to
establish the habits that we have because you coming from nothing,
you at negative zero. So whatever habits you build, you
nine times out of ten you've worked to build those habits.
And you know, as I know, even as a young nigga,

(34:28):
first piece of money, you really get, what's the first
thing you're gonna go do? Or we gotta eat good? Yeah,
we gotta go eat good. Yeah hear, Yeah, we gotta
go eat good. And even if it ain't eating good,
eating good is whatever you can afford to buy for
whatever you got going on five well and yeah, five wings,
mumbo sauce, all that. That was eating good, dous. That

(34:48):
was what we did. So you established that habit early,
you know what I mean, Like you're eating habits and
your sexual habits as a man, and probably the first
two habits that you established once you start to get
in control of your own actions.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
So it's very difficult to break those two.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Probably those two are probably the two of the most
difficult habits for black men to break. Your sexual habits.
And you're eating and for me it was like man
having to cut out. I can't eat chicken no more.
So you don't show what changes have you made with everything? Man?
I read this thing called eat for your blood type.
It's a lady in Atlanta called the Vitamin Lady. Who

(35:25):
are if you ever in Atlanta, look her up. Man,
She's a guy needs to go see her, and you
definitely need to go see her because she takes your
blood type and she gives you everything that's good for you,
all the stuff that's inflammatory, all the stuff that's that's
you know that you can have stuff that's centralized where
you it ain't bad or it ain't good, all of that.

(35:47):
And once I got that, I saw that most of
the things that I enjoyed were bad for it.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
And that's how we're usually.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
And it's like, damn, Like I can't chicken is the
worst thing that I can have for my blood type?

Speaker 2 (35:57):
What the bread? And I love bread, my nigga.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Like, it's certain places I just got to ride past
singing into the room now because I know I can't
but for me to have to look at myself in
the mirror and say, man, fuck it, I'm man, man,
you only live in one nigga. Give me the two
piece breast wing. Nah, you know what I'm saying. Because
if I can beat all of the other ship that

(36:20):
I don't beat this, I can't let this. This is
a midget. Yeah this, yeah, yeah, I can't even know
it's grandiose because, man, I'm telling you Loan, like when
I got back from Africa, I really kicked it in right,
And I say, from from I got back probably like
January nine. I probably started like that the week after that,

(36:41):
I say, from January to probably mid March. Physically, man,
my body went through it. I mean a vicious detox. Man,
I'm talking about just the craving that you'll buy that
too for the sugar and and what does it feel like?

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Man?

Speaker 1 (36:59):
I ain't never did, but I could imagine that. That's
what it feels like. Yeah, like your buy it. Your
body it hurt, like you wake up in the middle
of the night. It take you out your sleep. It's
hard to you know, you change your sleeping habits. You
feel tired, like coming off weed, like coming off of anything.
Your body detoxing off it and you and it's so

(37:20):
much difficult, you know, I mean more difficult for somebody
who detox and off dope, because dope caused more than
the chicken wing.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
You know what I'm saying. You can easily just double
back and go just something.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
So for me, it was like that was one of
the most difficult mental processes that I've ever had to
go through, and really cutting that ship out because I
knew it was necessary. But once I what motivated me
was I started to see the benefits, like I suffer
from my grains for the longest man migrains and subciety
blood pressure. I mean all that blood pressure ship, but

(37:52):
I didn't know because we don't go to the doctor.
And I refuse to get on that medication because once
you get on that medicine, and I, you know, salute
to the doc man forgiving me that game because he
told me, man, I don't want you to get on
the medication, change this ship, because if I put you
on the medication, get off, it's gonna always be something
that you need. So for me, it was just like

(38:14):
going through that transition and just changing the eating habits
and changing the time of night that I eat, cause
you know, my job don't start tail seven. So I
get off of stage at the door two shows after
a show. Uh shit, I don't. I try not to
eat after shows. I try to eat before. But like,
what do you want did you replace Lamb, which.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
I never was? You know, God, damn, I eat like
a toddler.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
You see what I'm saying, Like Lamb was something I
don't I wasn't fucking with, but Lamb was good for me,
so I tried it. I enjoy So I eat lamb, turkey,
and fish them the only three meats that.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
I can have paused.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
And uh, you know, like as far as white potatoes,
I can't eat white rice and white potatoes that ain't
good for me.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
But sweet potatoes.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
And and you know what I mean, lentils and shit
like that is good. So just finding places that you
know had the type of shit that you like and
it's available to you. You just got you not looking. Yeah,
that's all is kind of like it catering to that shit.
It it's kind of like, you know what I'm saying,
And you don't necessarily have to be a vegan or
stop eating me. It's ways that you could do it
to stay in the process of what you like. But

(39:21):
it's kind of like, you know how when you get
a car and now you see that motherfucker everywhere. You
know what I'm saying, Like, that's pretty much what it is.
Once you open yourself up to that new environmental food,
then you start to find the places that off of
the things that you like where you probably was walking
past it every day because you was on your way
to Popeye's and that's all he was thinking about. So
for me, that's helped tremendously and now to the point

(39:43):
where and I've been exercised.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
And that's another part. But what kind of exercise, man?

Speaker 1 (39:47):
A lot of cardio, that's all you need you, you know
what I'm saying, Like incline full incline walk that shit
will fall off you. And I'm talking about man, I
was so long, Man, for as long as you can go,
you know what I mean, give yourself at least ten
minutes starting off, but just keep going. Like for me,
I was so disappointed in myself when I really started
to really get in the process of it, because I

(40:08):
got a gym in my basement too that I was
never in.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
I got the whole shit and I badly be badly
be in there. And it's like, what did you do
that for?

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Mostly what you did it for your ego at that point,
so we operated ego a that as niggas you know
what I'm saying like I'm gonna have it down there
just to be able to say yeah, that's my yeah
for sure. And you ain't been in that month at all,
cobwebs and shit in there. So for me, it was like, man,
that's a shame that I didne had this available to me,
and I know the process. I hadn't always been an
active person and athletic, you know what I mean, my

(40:40):
as a youngin but just applying myself and it's like, man,
I ain't even got to lead a house and you being.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
And it still don't do it. That's how I be.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Like my son went in my gym literally yesterday. But
my son's football player, he ain't. I'm telling you, I
got him. I got him whooping something for me and
that strong you know, he went in there the other
day and grabbed them thirty fives and just started.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Working them jumps. I'm saying, am my little boy strong
in a month because I grabbed the thirty fives and
I can work them jumps. But you're a grown man.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
But I'm a grown man and I'm watching my sixteen
year old boy work them junks in a way while
I'm saying, oh, he curling them, and shit, I'm saying,
this little boy.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Is really strong and so man like you say, it's
our ego.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
But also for me, I got off a weed because
I started to learn like, oh, they don't fuck the
weed game. They spread shit down, they got turfs, it's
all kind of all types. And I'm saying, long, you
ain't get this fut of the there to wake up
one day on some weed he did somewhe eiva that
or you didne lost your mental capacity to be able

(41:43):
to engage in the salvisation functional, you know, because all
of that and shit that it made you forget where
you live. You know what I'm saying, you don't remember
what I hurt that now. And she's like, it works.
So I went cold turkey, bro, And I ain't never
really win cold turkey unless I was in jail or something,
and I, you know, have a choice exactly. So Bro,
I started sweating in my sleep and shit, and I'm like, oh,

(42:05):
this is serial. But I noticed that I'm not because
see the weed thing, it became a habit. I wasn't
even really enjoying weed anymore. It just was a habit
that I had developed, Like when I was younger. Weed
was a thing that you actually got high.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yeah. Now it's like you're just doing this smoking. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
So when I was shit, yeah, I smoked the shit
and I'm like, this, ain't doing nothing no more. And
it makes me sluggish it and make me just be
sitting around just on something and then I go eat something.
It's just a whole bunch of bad compounded bad decisions
like eating and wasting time and sitting there doing nothing
and staring off in the space.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
And I said, yo, you gotta let that shit go, man.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
And when I let it go the first day, I
sweated a couple of weeks seeing I'm.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Like, oh, I'm oh, I ain't tired. I'm oh shit,
my mind is.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Firing even a little bit more like because you can
tell when your mind is drained or it's like not
operating at a high level. Like for me, it's very
important that my cognitive abilities are firing it. You know
what I'm saying. It's so important for me. And I
could actually feel the difference off of weed. But in

(43:23):
the same way, you know, that was a fight for
me to be like, Yo, there ain't no way you're
finna let weed take you while. And it's like you
know your habits and your habits, and I ain't you know,
I ain't want to appreciate nobody about shit, Like do
what you do, but just make sure that it's in
moderation to where it doesn't prevent you from doing what
you have to do. All you want to do and
doing what you have to do it two different things.

(43:44):
You do what you have to do to be able
to do what you want to do. Once doing what
you want to do effects doing what you have to do,
then you got to change what you want to do.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
And you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Usually we allow it to get past that point before
we make the decision, you know what I'm saying. And
for me like finding out you know about the high
blood pressure, just going into my own research. It's just like, man,
this ship killed way more niggas than bullets, but were
so focused on motherfucker reef with a pistol and the
beef that you don't even know, nigga that them motherfucking

(44:12):
chicken wings is taking.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
About the wrong beef. You worried about the wrong weear
your ass out.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
And you know, for me being an example, like I
understand my position and that's what my the braids and
all that ship has always been about. I've been blessed
to not give a fuck what people think about me.
So if I can be a vessel to let people
see the difference, you know what I mean, because you
can see the difference, like you when you see me.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
You see like, oh, what you've been doing?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Like you?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
What the trip part about it is? You wasn't big?

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, I mean, but the thing is I was though,
because it was all here, It was all that visceral
ship on your stomach, you know.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I mean if you sit down and.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, you know what I'm saying
front than of your drawings fold down and don't say
Calvin Glen.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Know that's about this. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like,
that's different ship.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
So for me, it was like man, just getting to
a point of being able to say that, you know,
it was a challenge for me. I'm always big on
a challenge, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
if I challenge myself to do anything, But it's a
difference between challenge and dedication. You could challenge yourself to
do whatever, but what are you dedicated to?

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Like I say all the.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Time, comedy was the first thing that I ever fully
dedicated myself to because I haven't always been blessed to
be good at whatever. So I just did enough to
show better than you and now I could just coast.
But Nah, this ship is something you got to dedicate
yoursel every day.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
How do you do you do it in the mornings?
Do you do it whenever? I feel like See, that's
the thing, that's what I don't.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
That's why I'm glad that I've been And that's why
I say the benefit is in me a cost and
the life that I've been able to build for myself
is that I get to do what I want to do.
That's the blessing, you know what I mean. I get
to wake up every day whenever you want to do
whatever whatever I want you. So that's that's the biggest blessing.
So it's really no excuse for you not to find

(46:16):
the time to do what you need to do because
you get to do whatever you.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Want to do.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Bro, And I beg, I beg, God be disappointed in that,
Like Bro, whoever the universe, whoever? I bet it's like, Bro,
you you don't even got nothing else to do?

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Bullshit?

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Yeah, why you ain't just going to get that minute
saying and that's it, man, you know what I mean?
And we and we find so much confident bullshit. And
for me, like I always know that I'm bullshitting, but
I make excuses for my bullshit in the times when
i'm you know, evaluate myself.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Oh it's all right.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I'd be all right the same way I did when
they when first told me about the hot blood pressure.
I'm like, oh, man, I I'd be all right, you
know what I'm saying. And that black man came in there,
oh the black man and said, a hey man, you
ain't gonna be all right. You keep on my nigga
gonna be weighing one Jordan, it's crazy, keep bullsh how long?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
How long have so? That was this year January? That
was this James.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
So you don't put thirty points thirty You done took
thirty points off the board that quick.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
It wasn't quick like. That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Is January, the June, the June like. But that's the thing.
It wasn't quick. It was every day. So you don't
count like you know, the treadmill make you realize how
much time a minute is.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
You ain't got to tell me.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Boy, when I say what I like to do is
because I do get on that sometimes because I need
I be like, Yo, you done got money, bro, Your
heart rate don't even go up no more like you bull.
So I'll get on there and try to give me
a run and just to speed mond, I need this shit,
raise this ship up, and man, I get on there,
nigga and try to run a minute. You know, mother,

(47:53):
It's the dynamic of time. That's why I said it
wasn't a short period of time, because when you're doing
that shit every day in minutes, you come minutes.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Now, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
So for me, it was like, man, I gotta I
gotta make the transition to understand that. Man, it's a
it's an everyday thing. But once I results get anybody,
make you know what I'm saying. It's just like you
know what I mean, when you get your little piece
of money for the first time and you see what
that motherfucker money do across.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
The board to make you want to get some more
of it.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
So when I you know what I mean, was able
to say, Man, I ain't had a migraine in a
week and a half.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
I like this. Let me keep on doing ambitious the
lights off that your line of work, not knowing when
it a hit or nine.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
And you don't know how many times I have been
on stage, ship throbbing, having to make people laugh for
my mind, I'm talking about boom. As soon as I
get off stage, I'm like, ah, give me some, give
me some, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
That strength. They didn't used to work though, did it?
Or did Yeah? It did?

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Stomach up right now, your stomach fucked up, in your
nauseous and ship.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
You get rid of one thing, now you got to
do else.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
All of that, Yeah, all of that and then going
to the vitamin lady and getting that understanding of what's
good for you and doing the necessary things and making
sure just what you're putting in your body. Man has
helped me tremendously because I'm still going you know what
I'm saying, it's still you know, I'm still not where
I want to be because I need to make sure
that I'm able to maintain it beyond just what I

(49:30):
eat and working out. I need to be able to
maintain it on the day to day, like being able
to look at something that's available to me and being
able to say no. You know what I'm saying. That's
why I ain't changed my rider in my green room.
It ain't changed put all that shit in it because
I want to look at it and not choose.

Speaker 2 (49:47):

Speaker 1 (49:48):
I want to look at That's just how my mind works.
I want to be able to see that I ain't
picking up them. God, that told, that's the real that's
the real control. That's how you know I have control
over this. Anytime you had it to duck it is
shit that ain't controlled. That's being evasive. And that's different
than having control right if you if it's in front
of you and you can say no, that's where you

(50:09):
really have power over what used to have power over you.
You know that?

Speaker 2 (50:13):
And that has helped me as well.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
And being able to just know that it's a day
to day process, but understanding like I ain't even know
what my blood type was before ours, and I don't know.
That's why I'm gonna go see that later. Sure, when
you go to Atlanta, Man, go to the vitamin lady. Man.
I'm telling you she got man. She give a class
every Saturday.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
She teach.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
She tell go through each blood type, tell you, what's good,
what's bad for you, what you need to have, what
you don't need to have.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
She been there for years.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
She got her husband has a restaurant that they do,
you know, all different types of food, like you know, turkey,
whatever you need they got available for you there, juices
you know, I mean, vitamin B, vitamin and whatever your
shit is deficient in. She gonna get you right and
you know, being able to do that and go to
the conventional doctor and see what you don't want to

(51:04):
be on and what you will be on if you
don't follow some type of program, right, you're gonna be
on three four.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Pills a day.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yeah, man, and you and you better hope your in
showance covering them because if you don't, nigga, you gotta
pay for my pocket. That shit get expressed very expensive.
That's a whole other game. The pharmaceutical game is like
a whole nother beast. Their job is to keep you
like they just like the dope board. I want the
real yeah, like I say all the time, Man, get

(51:31):
hooked on this. Yeah, the CVS the real real plug. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah, you're talking all that dumb ass ship. Nigga.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Nah, nigga. They sell that drugs ain't illegal. Just the
ones you see exactly. It could be the same ones
we yeah, exactly, just.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
You selling. That's what makes the drugs illegal, your black.
That's the reality. Crazy. Drugs ain't illegal, nigga. You get
that prescription, you can.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Go in there and get all that ship you going
to jail for. That's the way the game works. You
know what was crazy is the Ditty trial.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Right.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
I was looking at the Ditty trial and I'm seeing
where he had doctors really writing him prescriptions out in
a name of Frank Black at the pharmacy. So I'm saying, okay,
they have no real stronghold on even the pharmaceutical company
because he Frank Black is not a person.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
It does not have.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
An ID, and if it does have an ID, it's
a fake ID, so it leads back to nothing. So
he's literally going in getting a hundred oxy code on
and one hundred zat necks and shit with a Frank
Black name on it. I said, Yo, they will prescribe
this shit to anybody. There is real there's no real
parameters on getting this shit.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
If a fake name with a fake address and a
fake ID can go into pharmacy and get and I've
had trouble getting shit from a pharmacy being myself.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
So I'm so confused that.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Within Shawance many times I done want to get shipped
and now you know in shawings don't cover it, man,
they said no, And it's like, well what do I
have in Shawn's for? You know what I'm saying. So
it's just it's a it's a vicious game, man. And
speaking of that, like watching that, I want to get
your perspective on that.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Man.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
It's very few people that I, you know, give a
fuck what they think about that Diddy ship, But what's
your perspective on it?

Speaker 2 (53:21):
I'm watching it, bro. It's so it's it's it's layered.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
It's not you know, I don't have just one because
it depends on what facet of it we're talking to.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Me that Okay, I'll ask you this facet.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
What do you think if you had to give a
synopsis of what you think is really going on? What
do you think is really going on with that ship?
Do you think it's really justice and player? Do you
think what I think? They try to embarrass that nigga
to where even if he do beat the ship ain't
nobody gonna want to stand.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
There to him.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
And also I'm thinking I think they won't. They want
the assets as well. I think with the Rico charge
because it wasn't a rico if you're asking me, man,
But the Rico charge allows them to seize bad boy,
seize the home, seize the privy jet right, kind of
take some of his wealth from him. Without their Rico charge,

(54:09):
I'm not sure if they would have the ability to
seize his assets. But see, that's the thing with the
embarrassment part of it, and and uh, you know the
way that they are, you know, kind.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Of degrading his character.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
You prevent him from ever being able to a costosa
and gain those things back. Yes, so you take them
and then you leave them butt nigga out there. Yeah yeah.
And that's the thing, man, I say this. I've been
saying this for a very long time. Man, I can't
name one nigga that left.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
With the money exactly exactly. And it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
It's like you the statute of limitations on being a
black man in America is never up. You never know,
they can come snatch a shit any and it's like
the same things, and it's crazy. When you look at it,
because as a black man, we're demonized for the things
the other man is celebrated for, like Hugh Hefner, perfect example,

(55:05):
celebrated you know what I mean. You look at r
Kelly Elvis got married to his wife she was fourteen
in front of the world. Nobody ever brings that up. Crazy,
So what is it about us that makes the necessity
to be able to humble? As you look at what
they said about the you know, shr door, it is humbling.

(55:26):
Why we gotta be right? Why can't we have any pride?
Why can't we have it? And it's almost like the
still the slave master mentality, it's still the slave boy.
You don't you can't do that, like you can't do
you do what we say, not what we do, even
if we're doing it. We're partying on this island over
here with all these people, and it just go hush.

(55:47):
But did he like he you know, we're gonna put
his bring his to the front line before we even
hear about Weyinstein shit, yea, nobody in for bro shit.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
People are still Jeffery Epstein.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
I mean, we've still been waiting on Epstein's listen, and
we done heard didn't like the jets come on his nipples, nigga,
Like that was not like that.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Come on, yeah, yeah, I know them.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Niggas in jail like sending that nigga. Yeah, this is
the most terrifying nigga. Come on, Slim, I wonder how
you dealing with that in the back there. I mean,
you know, I mean I would assume that, you know,
you got to be mentally strong to be able to
be you know, have your ship put on front street
like that. But at the same time, like you said,

(56:32):
if you look at just legally with the terminology like
that's the thing about the legal system, man, it's all
in that all of them words. We said this the
last time you think you speak English, you go to
court exactly words and the cumbassing on. I know that
you know what I'm saying. So it's like I think

(56:53):
that you know, having the ability to fight, you know
what I'm saying, and going up against that mom. You
know when it says it's one thing the state of
whatever versus, but the United States of America versus is
something completely different. For sure, you know what I'm saying.
So and you see that and it's like whoa man
And then I'm wondering, like some of the testimony against

(57:14):
Diddy has been confusing to me. One of the questions
I had, especially when Cassie was testifying. And of course
we don't write, we don't shame victims, but I think
there's a conversation to be had about when am I
manipulating a woman or she's lying about what she's into.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Right, It's like.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
A thin line betraying thin line between because to get
next to me, you will go to land about what
you're into. I might say, Yo, I like threesomes. I'm
just a threesome kind of neal and you'd be like, well, one,
I want to fuck with you, like I'm with that, yeah,
and then at any point you can turn it off,
like that's the thing that you know. It's crazy how
the rules are set up because you think about, you know,

(57:57):
pregnancy or having a child. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I have no sympathy or remorse for a nigga that
don't take care of their babies. But at the same time,
I can understand why you frustrated if you said you
didn't want to have to deal with that responsibility and
somebody else made the choice like Anthony Elwood to make yeah,
to make you a father when you said you didn't

(58:19):
want to. Now you still took the risk of going
up in there, nigga. You should have took the you
should have got the inshowance as I always say. But
at the same time, you know what I mean, It's
it's crazy how the rules work because if you go
donate sperm to a sperm bank, you can give as
much as you want and they never can come to
exactly and you technically it's the same.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So it's all and
the rules. It's very interesting.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
That's a very interesting point, because that's a very fucking
interesting point, bro that that that how the sperm bank
is set up versus how a nigga has put these
stipulations on a sexual encounter, like yo, I don't want
the kids, sweetie, and she actually still pulls the trigger

(59:07):
on Well, it happened, and I'm keeping it. And most
times that only is coupled with someone's financially stable. It's
never it's not a lot of times where it's coupled
with someone that's struggling. It's like it'll be a ball
player or something like Yo, we're gonna have fun. Tonight's
gonna take a plan B. I don't even play those games.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Yeah you can't.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
I don't know why, dudes, especially in this climbing with
the ditties, the Shannon Sharps, all of this shit that's happening.
I don't play this freak azoid game that niggas is playing.
And it sucks because I like the freak I like.
I mean, yeah, that's the thing. It's like, ain't no
law against being a freaky ass nigga, but it is
laws against being able to, you know, impose you know

(59:50):
what I'm saying, your will upon somebody who is unwilling.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
And the thing about it is like, as.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Men will never have the luxury of being the victim
in any sech fucked up, you know what I'm saying.
That's why I always preach, man, don't be a real
nigga everywhere but in the house. Niggas love to be
a real nigga everywhere, but in front of who you
supposed to be a real nigga in front of her first,
because you got to establish who you are and what
you are and say this is what it is. There

(01:00:15):
are no parameters that I'm not willing to express before
you know me, before you got any invested interest in
who I am as your person. This is who I
am as a person, right, So this is what it
is now. Mind you, you can be tricked in a
mother but I'm with all that exactly. And then once
you start to shift in what she thought you was
gonna be now is well, I didn't say I was

(01:00:36):
in the all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
So that's a risk that you take, But you limit
the risks once you established that early. Because anybody who
has an alterior motive, in my opinion at least that
has an alterior motive in regard to you, if you
lead with all the shit that make a motherfuckering embarrassed
to be able to say publicly that they fuck with you. Yeah,
if you leading with all that like, look, I'm never

(01:00:59):
gonna do this, this, that, and the third, I don't
give a fuck what you say. This is not gonna happen.
If this is what you're looking for, don't come over here.
And I'm gonna remind you every chance. I even think
you don't remember that I said. Right, it's gonna be
like you know what, this ain't even worth the happiness
that I might get from this ain't gonna be worth
the detriment that I got to continuously hear that this
nigga don't never want to be my boyfriend. Yeah, And

(01:01:20):
you know, and so also thinking with Diddy, I think
Diddy was because you know, it's almost like there's a
shared blame because Cassie should have seen by his actions
that this nigga ain't he ain't pulling the trigger on
really being with me. We just freaking, freaking, freaking freaking
and when he started inviting other people in and there's

(01:01:43):
certain things he's doing. You know, for me, I trust
actions more than I trust words. I've been raised that way,
you know what I'm saying. So for him and her,
I guess he did kind of manipulate and confuse it
because he's telling us that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Which is easy to do. It's like the way I
look at it is like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Everybody having a good time to the bill come right,
that bill got to be paid. Though we in the
club and you ordering two, three, four bottles or whatever,
and all that's cool when it's but when that bill come,
everybody start to Yeah, they getting out of here, looking
around and all that but somebody gonna have to pay

(01:02:24):
that bill. And usually if you the one, you the
one that's gonna have to pay that bill, and everybody
around you who got to have all the fun and
do all that shit when you look around, and that's
what dude going through right now, that's what he's dealing with.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
You accounted for the fact that man, this bill coming
at some point, I'm gonna have to pay this bill.
And for me, like you said, you never victim blamed.
And one of the things that I take from the situation,
especially as a father of a little girl, because that's
what people always add when whenever I'm asked about it,
like if it was your daughter or if it was

(01:03:04):
That's one of the problems with our women, specifically niggas
know who ain't got nobody coming behind them. A nigga
gonna know, yesnaverybody you're not gonna play whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Yeah, it's some women out here that you know you
got to respect because it's some shit that's gonna come
behind them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
That's a whole fact. It is a whole human.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Don't have somebody that's coming behind you, then you allow
yourself to be put in a situation.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Where you can be manipulated.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Because as a man, as a father, it's my job
to teach my daughter what manipulation is and what it
looks like. See, I don't want I put my daughter
on a pedestal so she don't ever have to look
for no man. But in doing so, I also have
dialogue with her about the real situations that I go through,
that me and her mama go through, that whatever she sees,

(01:03:57):
we talk about these things because when she gets to
become a woman and she goes out into the world
and starts to operate on her own, because that after
a certain point, I gotta let you go through that
you're gonna have to I just want to be the
person that she comes to to say he dad, Like, man,
what you thinking?

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
But this man told me this? But see what this
man told me?

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
That me being able to give her the advice of
understanding that, hey, you're only responsible up until a certain point, baby,
because after a certain point, I'm coming. I'm coming, and
it ain't gonna be nothing you can say. You can
get the screaming and do nothing to him. I please,
I Love, It's too late, So you need to be
able to navigate up until that point, because after that

(01:04:42):
point there's nothing, you know what I'm saying. But so
even with even with Cassie, I just I think so
it's like I couldn't imagine being her father. It's like,
how does she come to her father with Hey, look
they did it, but this is what's going on, Like

(01:05:03):
he won't marry me, but we freak off. I mean,
these are things you die with, son, people peeing in
your mouth and shit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Yeah, but that's the thing, Like, can.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
You create an environment where she can come to, you
can come to that's what you're into, deep if that's
what you're into, because you gotta be able to know
a better human being than me. Because I know that
if I had the access that she has at this age, man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Yeah, you'll be doing moll yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
So whatever she gets into or decides to get into,
I can't allow myself to be you did what, Get
the fuck out of here?

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Because I have to let you know that no matter what,
as long as you're not willingly hurting yourself and nobody else,
that's what I got to make sure you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
And that's strong.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
That's a strong message. Brou And I think this is
important that we talk about because we ego is so bruised. Yeah,
and we will. We can kind of take accountability for
things that we didn't even do. Meaning if I did
have a son or a daughter who win and got
into some freakazoid shit, you can start to blame yourself,

(01:06:12):
like what does I'll never blame myself in that regard
because you've grown and once you start to make the
decisions that you make. I say this all the time,
everybody's somebody's daughter. Think about some of the shit you did,
you know what I mean? Like, everybody's somebody baby. So
for me, it's like I can't exclude my daughter from

(01:06:34):
real life.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
But if you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Feel this, though, do you feel as though your teaching
should have kept her out of those caves?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
I mean, but that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
I feel like my teaching should keep her from being
able to be walked into a cave outside of her
will If you, if you kid, you are willingly, if
you willingly want to go in there and that's what
you want to do, Hey, are you safe? Take care
of yourself. Don't come out with nothing you can't get
rid of. Personal protocol. I teach personal protocol with my daughter.

(01:07:05):
These are the things that you need to look out for.
These are the questions that you need to ask. One
of the first things that I taught her is one
of the problems that I see women have. And this
is coming from a man who deals with women on
all different types of levels. Y'all ask the wrong questions
and say that you're looking for answers that those questions
don't breed. You're not gonna be able to ask exactly.

(01:07:31):
You don't have to know what you want. In my opinion,
all you gotta know is what you don't want. What
you want is gonna change. More important, what you want
is gonna change. That's gonna fluctuate. You're gonna like some
shit today and and you're not gonna like it tomob
But as long as you're establishing what you don't want
to deal with, that's what you operate off. So if
you know that you don't want to deal with a liar,

(01:07:52):
you don't want to deal with a cheetah, as most
women say that they don't want to deal with, why
aren't you asking the questions that will let you know,
because you obviously have dealt with it before. To know
you don't want it, So why aren't you dealing with
the man in the regards to the way that you
know you can ask these questions that will let you
know if you're dealing with a nigga is gonna like So,
but it looks like Cassie was in a situation. And

(01:08:12):
I get this from what something that was read in court.
So it was read in court that one of Cassie's
friends asked her why don't you leave Diddy? And her
response to that was jay Z is tooking who else?
I'm a date? So I say that to say and
repping what you're saying is it feels like Cassie knew

(01:08:34):
what she want, what she didn't want, what she didn't
which was I don't want a broken nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Yeah, wicked and that can lead you into some caves.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Yeah, dad, because ultimate power, power corrupts and that's the
thing that comes with celebrity, and you talking about a billionaire.
That what I'm saying, So how do you even leave?
So that's what I'm saying, Let's roll play this. If
this is your daughter, someone you care about, who comes
in that situation with with Diddy, and because like like

(01:09:06):
you said at some point, I'm coming like you chasing
your leading on you just yeah, I'm watch this nigga
kill your Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's what you're gonna deal with.
You're just gonna have to watch this ultimate power for motherfucker.
These six security God, they're gonna have to You gonna
watch him beat your daddy to death after I shoot
this nigga every time for sure, because that's just what's
gonna have to happen. And you gotta you have to

(01:09:27):
do that through actions, I can say, but the showing
up is you gotta constantly show up to where they
believe that, right, So you can niggas say I'm coming,
but you ain't never see think about this. Diddy was
so gone on and this is what I'm saying. He
clearly was on drugs. He was on drugs. He was
fucked off for being now to reach out to that

(01:09:49):
woman's mother and say give me twenty five grand because
y'all are she's fucking with kids cutting now. So you you,
as a billionaires extorting a poor I'm I want to
say poor but financially unstable family for money. But here's
the thing, how much of this shit do we know
is actually exactly you true, that's well, I don't know, dolls.

(01:10:11):
She got up there and she showed that I took
out twenty five thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
I me and it came that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
But all of those things, it's like, it's that's the
end result, you know what I'm saying, And I ain't defending.
Now we haven't donalog but at the same time, we
don't know what the day to day was to where
what they had going on, Like innocense is something that's
taken for granted and especially in court right because it's

(01:10:36):
what you're fighting for to prove. So the prosecutions job
is to prove that you're not. Your job is to
prove that you are, so that that money's the waters
in the process of getting up to that end result,
in my opinion, So you think about a relationship, being
in a relationship, the shit that you you know, that
pillow talking and all of the things that go on

(01:10:58):
in a relationship, and the the day to day and
the power that she probably was able to benefit from from,
like being the power that he had and being able
to manipulate whatever you want to mapulate, and just how
that corrupts.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Anybody that's going to corrupt.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Anyone five years that anybody. And so when you think
about that ultimate level of corruption that's going to bleed
into everything and everybody around you, especially if you don't
have nobody around you that can tell you about yoursela.
That's why I value people. I don't want you. I
don't want nobody around me. They can't tell me, hey,

(01:11:41):
nigga is wrong with you? You tripping? Because once you eliminate
that and remove those people, everything you into the you
know what I'm saying now, It is just like, man,
I can do whatever I want to do, and then
when that bill come and you look around, it's like, fuck,
I'm stuck with the bill.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
So's It's just one of those situations where I look
at it, it's like, man, you got to be able
to have self control, no matter what you got going on.
This is a result of not having self in Drugs
to drugs is a big party.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Yeah, you know, but see it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
So, but I'm still focused on Cassie knowing what she
doesn't want, which is I want a rich man. Yeah,
and they ain't before these can like the Diddy khn ain't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
But yeah, it's three three niggas.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
This Yeah, doctor dre jay Z did it and now
me niggas. You know what I mean, yler pers, you
know what I'm saying. But it's like, but it's like
it ain't it ain't no lot of niggas. And I
think she had got so gun hole on. Where do
I go from this?

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Yeah, but I mean, you know, getting thirty million goodness
what I'm saying, goodness Like, what's you know?

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
It's running off in my crane? Man? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I mean that, not even that, that's I don't even
get that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
But that'll make a man who thinks he has that
level of power control all of this, that that bill thing.
But I just look at it like, you know what
I'm saying, you think about physical abuty like men that
are physically abusive the woman or what we sold on
that tape in that hallway and ship And like I

(01:13:26):
said for me as a father, like I don't give
a fuck who you is, nigga, you want to do
it to me? Exactly how much is that ass whooping work?

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Not thirty you know what I'm saying to me? I mean,
I mean that's the thing you don't get to establish that.
You don't get to establish that. We don't get to
establish that. Once it's done, then ecosystem, you don't. You
don't get to established that. Like so when you playing
them type of games and that type of power to
where now you get twenty from him and ten from

(01:13:59):
the hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
It's like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
The women who are suffering from domestic violence on a
day to day basis from a nigga who don't even
love itself, let alone love you, It's like I can
understand why they can feel like, man, this is unfair
to us because it looks like there's a price that
can be put on my debtrim.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Yes, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
It looks like there's something that somebody can pay in
exchange for getting knocked upside the motherfucker head every day.
And that's bullshit you ask me. It's not something that
you know what I mean, I look at it's like
they that's the aspect that most people aren't looking at them. Man,
these women are going through this shit every day and
they ain't got no nothing but another lump upside to

(01:14:46):
heat and trauma and dealing with it. And it's like
to put a price on It is the part that
bothers me when Motherfucker's is suing civilly instead of criminally, Like,
if somebody is criminally doing something to you or harming
you in some type of way, what how much that costs?
If that's the situation, And I think it's like, yeah, yeah,

(01:15:07):
that is an unfair advantage that you have when you
deal with some of these rich men. Is that yo
you can get You could put a price tag on
your pain or your disappointment and then turn your relationship
into pain. Say that it was more painful, or say
that the experience was more detrimental than it truly.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Was, because she played a role in it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
If you asked me, Cassie was supposed to be a
co conspirator because when we talk about who paid the prostitutes,
it was always Cassie who booked the prostitutes. It was
always Cassie, right it did. He knew better than to
put hisself on that side of the business, so he
never really exchanged money or was involved in the booking process,

(01:15:51):
but he always made orders. They said that he was
in a situation of where he wouldn't even give her
orders in front of people unless they got extremely comfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
There was an underst standing there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
If we're here freaking and I get up and just
walk out, it's over with.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Your job is to get up and come holler. I
got to holler at you about something, Yeah, you know so.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
But he would always remove itself from anyone that can say, yeah,
did he pay me?

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
You know, did he did this and that and so?
Is that illegal?

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Though, that's what I'm saying. I don't think freaking is illegal.
That's not illegal. Like you know what I'm saying. Sex
trafficking is illegal, you know what I'm saying, and then
that's a broad broad pay Domestic violence is illegal, but
that's not what he getting chopped with, you know what
I'm saying. So it's like it's a slippery slope. But
watching it for me, you know, being an eighties baby

(01:16:39):
that grew up in the nineties, it's just crazy to
see how the people that we looked at as heroes
are being exposed in a way that we couldn't have
imagined when we was didty like calm on this nipple
like that is unreal. I'm telling I wouldn't even never

(01:17:00):
ever in mind, bro, it's not rubbing my come on
my never like we have to be like you, I'm
taking you got to get the fuck out like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
What you're doing. You know what I'm saying. It was
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
That's that's he was gonna be too far, Yeah to be,
but to be exposed in that way it makes it
to where everything that you've ever done has been I'm
talking about. This was a giant, the one of the
biggest in the world, not just in our culture, in
culture periods, because that's our greatest export is Black Americans

(01:17:35):
is our culture, you know what I'm saying. So this
is the giant. This is one of the ones that
has helped establish the culture, conquered three or four industries,
and in six months of a trial, niggas ain't gonna
remember none of that. You can't now, I don't give
a fuck how much you like all about the Benjamin,

(01:17:56):
You're not gonna be able to listen to it without thinking, Man,
that nigga Rubb.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Can believe this ship.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
But my question is why is Daddy coming out in court,
Like what does it have to do with the case
or with the like. That's why I think the embarrassment
thing is at play, because what does that particular move
have to do with sex trafficking or rico. Let me
ask you a conspiracy theorist question, right, because I'm I'm
I'm a big conspiracy theorist. It's always interesting to me,

(01:18:25):
Like if they presented you, if the they that they
talk about presented you a deal, right, you get to
have a diddy run.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
But this is the this is the bill.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
One day we're gonna expose all of the freaky shit
you ever did, and it's gonna be in front of
the world. You're taking that deal. I might take the deal,
you know, I might take that bill. Bill Cosby had
to his ship, but they locked him up as some

(01:18:58):
ship he did in the sixties.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Yeah, yeah, I know he had.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
A fifty sixty almost a six months one and then
it just you go to j Like, okay, you get
the ball for the money, come all that go five years,
but you give your nigga you go to jail for
for for the last three.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Yeah, Like, I might take that deal, man, they might take.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
I respect you for being really said, because that's one
of my problems that I got with niggas. Now is
now everybody acting like they to the party.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Twenty stop bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Yeah, like come on, all of a sudden, Man, I
went to the party, but I didn't go to the party.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Which one was that? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
And so for me, you know me, I'm always keep
it a hundred. I don't care nothing about it. And
so of course I don't condone what happened. But if
you're telling me that I get a thirty year run
private jit like Rick Flair, Privy flying Bro's wearing, I'm
talking about all of it, come on, man, like, you know,
at the end, they just tell you everything you do

(01:19:59):
in that time gonna come on out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
So just be careful what you do now.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
It's on you if you start taking drugs and freaking
off and all of that. But like the thing is,
man like, I you know, like I said, that's just
a conspiracy theorist.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
But would you take it though? What would you do?
I need I need to Bill cod. You need sixty
I need sixty, Yeah,

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