Dr. Umar Johnson Goes Off on Jay-Z, Diddy Denied Bondy, Eminem, Michael Rubin & Ben Crump | Donations & Hip-Hop - ITS UP THERE PODCAST W/LOONEY

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What do you think about the mound of jay Z Joe?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
The disturbing civil case that was filed against Sean Combs
back in October was just amended today, a small change
with big implications naming jay Z is the person initially
identified in the suit as celebrity A and accusing both
men of being a thirteen year old girl together back
in two thousand.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
What I'm saying, get all the pet of pop, get
all the sex traffers. Don't make my people to escape,
goat for it.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
He'd be in one hundred years. How do you think
jay Z is viewed amongst black people? And where are
they giving us a law?

Speaker 4 (00:40):
There's a reform alliance. So you have Michael Rubin Wallow.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Meet Meal jay Z on it that Michael Ruby, Ah,
he don't like Ruben.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Puffy made the agild settle out of court. They wouldn't
even go to trial. He made and guess what they
He basically embarrassed them, and they said we're gonna ge
as back. We're gonna show and remind you they are
a British based company.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
I did see that You've been having this conversation about
hip hop and it's where it has not did anything
in fifty years.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
So are you considering hip hop a fraternity? I didn't
say individuals? When didn't there's.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
A conscious there's a conscious hip hop. There is a
conscious hip hop? There is, But when did hip hop?

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Overall? We're speaking about variety.

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Speaker 1 (02:45):
Help me understand. If you and jumping behind your.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Back path that skywalker here, you gonna hollow you to
Moses Malone. Hey, Goses Malone gonna want to do it
a step past and Beyonce. Beyonce gonna do a double
dip back dunk to Michael Jackson. He gonna roll it
over to Garth Brooks. Garth Brooks gonna take it to
Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Ring's gonna take it.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
So help me listen. He understand.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
No, no, no, help me understand. Let's bring it back.
Help me understand. You're giving promises pies.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Children who graduate from the school.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Just completely different from being the United States of America.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
You keep you keep giving me job titles. I'm talking
about intentions.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
I don't care about job titles. You're telling me that
you just told me five minutes ago. I have a
certain barometer. Because of my ancestors, I'm obligated to stand
out on the hill and get these institutions done right.
You just told me that, then the next time, next Senate,
I love the Aka's Lord knows, I love.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Some five to five thicking the thigh deltas. For what
the hell that got to do with policy for Black Americas.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I didn't like that. I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
I did not like on the day doctor King a
member of the Alpha Phi Alpha.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
I bet you doctor King was in his grave. Yeah,
I didn't like that.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
I love the Divine nine, but don't feed us a symbol.
And to that point, I gotta throw this at the
Divine nine. Y'all raised thirty million.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Dollars in one night.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
And all of them come from black communities, without a
single decent school, without a single decent hospital, without a
single bank that will invest in our businesses, without a
single decent place for our mothers to get food to
feed their children. Look at what we did just for
her to run, Just for her to run. You don't

(04:52):
get the money back. Thirty million in a night. That's
at least five schools right there. So we got the money.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
We just don't care enough to invest in the future
of our children. Did you ever? Were you ever gonna join?

Speaker 3 (05:07):
I was gonna join or Megasi Phi Fraternity Incorporated Harrisburg
Grad Chapter because we didn't have no cues at Millersville
University in Lancaster, and somebody hated on me and sent
my information to the wrong address. So when I showed
up for the first night, mad Dog from Temple University

(05:27):
told me since I didn't have on a shirt and
a tie, I couldn't come in.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
And it wasn't meant. It wasn't meant, did you? I mean,
what's your feeling about fraternities? And everything's neutral, it's how
you use it.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Doctor King was out for Fay Alpha, Doctor Klin f
du Muhammad was on Megasi five Major, Doctor Martin Robinson
Delaney grandfather Pan Africanism.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
He was a Mason.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Prince Hall another Pan Africanist, he was a Mason. So
it's all neutral, it's what you do with it. The
words at TSU. The fraternities might actually be in sororities
might actually be into community service. They might actually be
into stop the vialus. They might actually be into growing
black businesses. I might go down the road to fist
and it might just be a party happy situation.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
It all depends where you are.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
The fraternities and sororities are too diverse to judge an
entire organization because there's just too much variety amongst them.
I speak in colleges all the time. I'm impressed with
some of the stuff that they're doing at certain places
and other places.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
I'm like, they need to shut this chapter down because all.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Y'all want to do is hayz people gets drunk and
party march at the parties, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
So it really all depends on the chapel right.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
In essence, I support them because many of our ancestors
came through those channels and they used it for good.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
But see, here's Dell, this is where I want to go.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
I want to take the conversation to a different spot
because you're sounding like you're passion and you care about fraternities.
But I did see that you've been having this conversation
about hip hop and it's where it has not did
anything in fifty years.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
So are you considering hip hop a fraternity? I'm considering
hip hop? Well, I won't explore, I won't explore this conversation.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
I won't explore the fraternity and hip hop because.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
If they are a fraternity, who are their founders and
who do they pay dues to?

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well, you don't see. Here we go. This is where
it gets interesting, them saying people that own lebron keep going.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
See all right, but do you acknowledge that fraternities and
hip hop are somewhat parallel?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
How now tell me the sense of belonging to something
the There's more, the fraternities and sobrieties are much more structured,
much more.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
I would disagree with that. Tell me why you think
that much more structure. You just spoke about the hazen.
You just spoke about some of the and you can
get your chapter snatched. You can go to jail if
you get.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Caught in jail for doing some of the stuff the
rappers do.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Okay, look at the principles that the fraternities in the
sorority stand for.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
This is this is there. But you just spoke about variety,
and so I would say hip.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Hop variety in activity. There's no variety in the principles
that they stand for. What are the principles that hip
hop stand on?

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Again, depends on who you're speaking with.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Why is it different because whether I go to this
chapter of Delta's or that, that's not.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Yes, that's not true because some of them, some of
them don't view Hazen in the way that you're talking
about Hazen I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
You're talking about an activity, I'm talking about the principles.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Well okay, but so how does the principles relate to
the activities?

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Well, you got to speak to them directly. I don't
want to.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
So in hip hop, the principles, the principles could mean yo,
we don't want to see killing. That could be people
to have those. When was that a principal there's several
people right now to have those?

Speaker 3 (09:06):
No, no, no, When was that a principle for the genre?
I didn't say individuals, we did. There's conscious there's a
conscious hip hop. There is a conscious hip hop.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
There is But when did hip hop overall we're speaking
about variety? No? No, no, no, no, because see now you
keep flipping back.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah no, when did hip hop ever put forth a
code of conduct?

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Never? So what the hell are we talking about? I
don't believe that.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
I don't believe that that exempts them, though I don't
believe that exempts so stops the conversation between the parallels
of fraternities and hip hop.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
I don't think there's a parallel. There's too much structure
in fraternities and sobrieties with.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Hip hop when people do whatever they want, whatever they want,
and the only person they got an answer to is
the law. In fraternities and sororities, you have to answer
to the hierarchy and the leadership. There is no leadership
in hip hop. You ain't got to go have a
conversation with Russell Simmons if you bad.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
You just told me though, that people come out of
hip hop are controlled.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
So there are leadership. It just may not be black leadership.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Absolutely, crackers run they ass Yes, that's my.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Point, all right, So, but in your opinion, you respect fraternities,
and hip hop has done nothing for black.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Nothing relevant that I've seen. Is there an institution they've
given us in fifty years?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Anybody know? Have they built the school? Fraternities built the school.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
You're comparing fraternities to hip hop. Yes, the counter argument
could be that fraternities have given us some of the
best minds we've ever had.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
What do you think about the mind of jay Z. Okay,
so let's go alpha.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Piafa gave us Doctor King, and hip hop gave us
jay Z. Are we really going to sit here and
compare Sean Carter to doctor Martin Luther King Jr. Not
in current time?

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Maybe? I mean everything.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Bulling Rights Act, Civil Rights Bill, Federal Housing Act?

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Are you serious? What law is Sean Carter responsible for?

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Again, he's been a part of a few change reform
as it pertains.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
What law did Sean Carter get us? I'm gonna speak
about the reform initiative. Give me the name of a
law that he fought for and got passed. Meek Mill
just got it passed on behalf of us. I didn't
ask you about me. Meek is working on behalf of Jim.
I didn't ask you about that is working on Listen.

(11:33):
It ain't giving us a law. There's a reform alliance.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
So you have Michael Rubin, Wallow, Meek Mill, Jay Z
on Michael Rubin.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
He don't like Ruben. I guess you FATA say that.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
First of all, no parasite is going to participate in
any kind of insight for the black community, all Caucasians
in the music industry, are eracites, They everyone everyone. They
feed off the low consciousness of the Black community and
they exploit it for profit, right in front of our faces.

(12:11):
And what hurts me to heaven is the fact that
they would never let their own Jewish children promote the
type of filth they financed our kids to promote.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
I believe that. I truly believe that. Do you. But
let's get back to jay Z. You don't he be
in a hundred years? How do you think jay Z
is viewed amongst black people one of.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
The great rappers? I don't really great rappers. Business mean
entrepreneur that too.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
But you had a lot of businessmen who are coons, Oprah,
you're not suggesting you suggested Jaysun.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
He has some coonish tendencies. I mean, he's no activist
out here in these streets. He's not an activist. I
mean he's paid to get activists out of jail. I
appreciate that. He's paid for documentaries of people who've gotten
murdered by police. I appreciate for that. I appreciate that.
But outside of that media stuff and of course paying
for them to get out of jail. But what institution.

(13:08):
You're a billionaire billionaires need to build institutions. There's no
getting around that. For me, what institution is. If this
is the playbook, why.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Are you the only one with it?

Speaker 3 (13:18):
It takes dedication, It takes commitment to your people. It
ain't easy to do it. This is a ten year effort.
We took five years to raise the money, five years
to get.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
The school built.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
When you say you're going to put an institution out there,
that's tremendous sacrifice of time, energy, money, everything.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Bro I live mine, so I can do it. They
don't live that. What do you say? Why do you
think so many of them got charter schools? Wait?

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Why is a billionaire with a charter school? Why do
you need a welfare check from the government to run
a school for kids in your neighborhood?

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Because you don't care enough to put your own money
out there? That's why. What do you say to they're
not serious?

Speaker 4 (13:54):
What do you say to the person that was fifteen
when you started to take donations for the school and
they're twenty five?

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Now, what do you mean? What I say? John?

Speaker 4 (14:04):
And they have some questions about where's the school? What's
going on with the school? I was I really wanted
to see the school happen.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
What do you say to those people? They will see
the school happen and they will be able to participate
in the manhood programs that we have for their age group,
so they won't lose out. So what makes you different
than the politician?

Speaker 4 (14:25):
What the huh?

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (14:27):
So listen, I live everything I talk bro right, and
I know you so I know. But for the sake
of conversation, put the school to the side.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
If I never opened up a school, no psychologists in
Americans put the school to the side.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
State listen to what I'm saying, because some in the
school is coming. So I don't mind if they want
to judge me by it, that's right. But I'm saying,
in a real fair analysis, if I never even endeavored
to open up a school, look at how I've transformed
forever the way black parents do business with the school
system or the mental health system. No black psychologists has

(15:04):
ever come along and done what I've done for the
black community as it relates to protecting our children.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
None of them.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
And Amos Wilson is the greatest of all time, even
he didn't lay down what I laid down for the
black community. When a black mother walks into the school. Now,
she know her rights, She know what to say, well
not to say. She know the diagnosis, you know the process,
you know the IEP. She knows it. What other psychologists
have ever given our.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Parents free, free consultation to help them save their kids.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Nobody has saved more black boys from the school to
prison pipeline and doctor umar E Fatunde in American history.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
If I never opened up a school, why is that
even an option to say?

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Which you mean, if I never opened up a school
when you've been campaigning about the school for so.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Long, because some people want to reduce you to that
which has not yet manifested. So sometimes it becomes necessary
for me to shine a light on all the other
things that I have done. Look at all the black
children and corner boys I've gotten off the corner. Look
at how many young people change their life around. After

(16:10):
I've visited they prison, after I've visited they halfway house,
after I've visited they jail. Most of the work I've
done can't properly be documented because it's done in a
mental health context where you ain't allowed to necessarily talk
about it. Because it's all private, right, It's all under
hippo law or furp of law.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
But the work is there. The work is there.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
When history is written of the twenty first century and
they talk about education and mental health, if I'm not
in that conversation, it's not the real history. I don't
say that the bract. I just say I ain't been
sitting around working on the school these twenty five years.
I have transformed the way we think and the way
we behave about our children. And all I'm saying is
some credit is due for that. It's definitely is not
given to you. You know, I think you one of

(16:51):
the most Yeah, I will give it up for that.
You know, I always say one of the most brilliant
people I've ever spoke with. My mother loves you, right,
That's why you got.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, she loves you, bro, she loves you. But but.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
I think that the conversation could you know, for you
to even be saying I don't, I think that can
come off concerning to donors or people who has been
on this journey with you.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Just the idea.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
It's like me, if I'm heading into a fight, Floyd Mayweather.
Imagine Floyd Mayweather saying if.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
I lose the day, that's not a good example. Why
not because he's coolish.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
No, I'm saying no, I'm saying in the in the.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Context it yeah, we're gonna get to that.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
But but I'm saying in the context of a fight
with him being fifty and no, all the people that's
watching him, all the people that's invested in his career,
thinking that he thinks I'm the best ever, I ain't gonne.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
What you're saying is if he gets knocked out or
at fifty, yes, does that erase how great he was
in the ring? Not for me, not for you, but
the idea prior to him even being knocked out.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
If he's at a press conference entertaining the idea, the
only thing changes for me is he's retiring without a
perfect record. Me personally, I want him to stop getting
in the ring because I think one day they gonna
catch you.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Are you'll following me? Yeah, you're getting to a one
day they gonna catch you.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
You follow what I'm saying, or the judge's gonna rule
against you. You see what I'm saying, Stop going in there.
But that's who he is. He's a fighter. So I
understand that I'm an activist I know what it means
to get in there.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
But if you a.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Bet, if you're someone that's been betting with Floyd, like,
for lack of better term, people been betting with you
for the last ten years right on the school thing.
So if you someone been betting with Floyd and all
these fifty fights, he's never showed an inch of an
inch of confidence not being there. So he's always thought,

(18:53):
I'm gonna knock the person out or I'm gonna win,
I'm gonna be the person. This is gonna happen, this
is gonna be fifty one, and no, I ain't undefeated,
I'm not gonna lose. But then you hear him talk
and he says, well, even if I lose, man, it's
okay to lose.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Now I done done enough. I would be okay with that.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
But what about the donors hearing you saying okay that
even if I.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Don't open this school. No no, no, no, don't take me
saying even if I don't.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
But that's why I want you to clarify for the
people watching, because they are all ample no, no, no, there
are people watching this in these views that's gonna say,
why is he even entertaining the fact.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
That because.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
That's the only reason why I'm entertaining me saying even
if the school did not materialize, is to shine a
light on everything else I've done these twenty five years
of my career.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
The school is coming, without question, the school is coming.
That's one of the reasons why I don't pay a
lot of attention to the negativity, because once the school comes,
they'll find something else to pick on. If I'm gonna
respond to the hate, going to be responding to it
all my life. Once the school opens, they will latch
onto something else. Are y'all following me? And then they

(20:06):
will latch onto something else. This will never end because
this campaign against FDMG isn't born out of a sincere
concern for the people. Nobody criticizing me has done anything
for their community, none of them. So this can't be
about the community because you've done nothing for it. This
is about hate and jealousy. That already the most popular

(20:27):
Pan africanist of the twenty first century, the most popular
social activist probably in American history. I don't think you
can name a person, maybe King, maybe Frederick Douglas, my ancestor,
who is as popular as I am, and also as uncompromising.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
I think I'm the first at this statement, right.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
So my point being is why pay attention to the negative?
Talk about a goal you have that you know you
will achieve. Let your actions do your talk.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Is money worth more than a vote? What do you
mean if I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
It's me donating to Kamalam worth more than me voting
for Kamala.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yes, initially, yes, because money is what put candidates in
a position to win. And this is why Black people
often can't control our candidates because we don't finance them.
If you're running for mayor of Nashville, the first question
I'm gonna ask them how much money are we.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Going to raise?

Speaker 3 (21:24):
So loon will have to take no money from Caucasians,
because the minute he got to take a dollar from
a Caucasian, he's going to have to compromise his excuse me,
his position. Yes, money is more important than voting.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
So, and so that's why politicians always carry out the
agenda of their donors, not the voters, not the voters.
Showed me a politician that has giver turned his back
on their major donors. The top five they get whatever
they want because you got to remember when people give

(21:54):
you millions, you know that they also have a mercenary
army that can pay you back if you don't deliver.
So you know not to play with Morgan Stanley, right,
you know, not to play with Chase Manhattan.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
You know you don't play with them.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
If they dropping five million on your presidential run, your
gubernatorial run, your mayorro run, you gotta deliver or you'll
wake up decease tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
They'll call it a heart attack or something. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
So all right, So back to now that we've established
that money is worth more than the.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Vote, absolutely, back to the school and the donations. Niggro.
Here we go again, right, because.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
This is and the reason why I want to have
this conversation with you is because.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
I know you, so I know what you're doing. I
believe in you. I know what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
I've been knowing you since twenty eighteen, so I know
what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
But I know that there's doubt creeping into people that are.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Right, because the doubt was creeping into my donors.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Right now, mind you, we record every donation, Every donation
we've received since twenty fourteen is recorded. Nearly I'm going
to say, ninety percent of our donors or repeat donors.
There's few people in that book who only donated one time.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
They've been with me the whole ride.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
So when you're talking about the pushback and the doubt
creeping in, it ain't from the people who matter. It's
from the people who don't donate and don't matter. Give
me the name of a repeat donor who's starting to
feel doubtful about the school. Well, I got elders, I
got lawyers, I got doctors, I got corner boys, I
got donors from every walk of life, not even to

(23:40):
mention an international African community London, Africa, Jamaica, Brazil. It
comes from everywhere. Show me where the doubt is creeping
in that.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
But see, I would say, using context clues that all, right,
ten years or have the longest been I would say
that there's some has to be some people that gave
some money at some point to saying there.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Might be, but they're not the majority. Would you say
that you mismanaged donations in it? Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
We was audited by the ir S year before last,
my brother yes, because of the YouTube.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Being Struggle Streamers.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
They wrote letters to the governor of Delaware the governor
of PA, the Attorney General of Delaware, the Attorney General
of DA. They wrote letters to the FBI, the I
R S, and they interviewed. That's the year before Now,
mind you, Black Lives Matter raised what one hundred million dollars.
I don't think they ever got audited. So we never

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broke a million. We got audited the year before last,
and we had to show them everything.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
The man, you ain't broke a million. Nah, close to it.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
But we ain't broke a million, which is fine, because
remember black's not fine.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Ten years, that's not fine.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
When you first came in, you said you're giving me two,
you're giving me twenty, but you got faulty, right, you're
giving me.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
But here they got a bank.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
I'm cool with it because all of our major grass
fruits organizedations were built on the pennies of black people.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
I'm cool with it. For me, it ain't the quantity.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
It's the quality of seeing that ten dollars check from
grandma on fixed income every month without fail, seeing that
one hundred dollars check from that school teacher who got
three children every month without fail.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
You see what I'm saying. That's what means something to me.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
I got college students who hit that cash shap for
ten dollars. They barely making it on campus, but they
believe in my dream. You see what I'm saying. So
I'm not just doing this for me. I'm doing it
for the people. I know how much our people are
psychologically invested in this school.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
I got to deliver for.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Right, because they're waiting, And that's why I want to
have a conversation. Con know, there's people that believe in you,
that I believe in you, and there's people that I
have conversation with powerful people right that maybe won't come
to you about it, but they'll have a conversation about yo,
kind of what's going on. So I'm like, Yo, let's
just kind of iron out a few more things. Now,
let me ask you that this does the text cold

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favor donations. What you mean, does it put you in
a position to keep most of it and actually put
it towards the school?

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Or I'm unpaid. No, I'm not talking about what you take.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
I'm saying the tax part, Like, is there a tax
on it from the government?

Speaker 3 (26:18):
No, you're non tax Okay, but I'm unpaid.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
I could pay myself, right, why would I want to
do that.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
I mean you you good though you want them guys man,
but yeah, away.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
But you know that's how most multi national donation organizations work.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Y'all know that.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Remember all that money Michael Jackson gave to Africa. Remember
that tour Mike gave every dollar to AIDS. Remember that
Africa never saw that. You know why because legally you
can pay all your staff from the donations. First, you
can take care of all your bills for your organization,
and what's left go to after. The whole nonprofit world

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is a scam for rich people to recycle their wealth
right back to themselves and their crew.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's a scam.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
And you said that's not something you're well, no, no, no, no no,
I'm not paying myself now. When the school opened, I
may pay myself a salary as principal, But even then
I'm going to try to do my best not to
take a cent.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Have you God forbid? And hopefully this never comes up?
But have you thought about like school shootings?

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Of course security.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
We got a security plan and we're gonna have to
keep on updating it as time goes on, you know
what I mean, We're gonna be ready.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
I seen where the last school shooting it took place.
They went and charged the mother and the father because
the kid had access to the guns.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
And that was correct. You believe that to be the correct.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Guns should be locked up in the house if you
got children, stop being sloppy.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Man.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Guns take lives, and these guns now they're powerful, like
they're powerful.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
So yeah, I seen also where someone was using your name.
Fdmg was like a web It is a fake website.
If y'all don't know about it, fd MGA. They put
an a on it fdmga dot com based in Atlanta.
And guess what my assistant just showed me. I got
a letter in the mail from the Department of Charitable

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Organizations for the State of Georgia.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
So I suspect they think that's mine. You feel me
and I think they're saying I'm not properly registered. That
ain't even me. So when I get home, I got
to take care of yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
I was like, Yo, they using your name, Frederick Duman.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Look at all the fake cash apps, bro, Have you
seen all the yoho donate y'all see it's like twenty
fake cash apps, twenty fake paypals, twenty fake instagrams, twenty
fake facebooks.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
I mean, my thing is how you got this much time? Damn?
I got? I got four?

Speaker 3 (28:57):
I got about a dozen utube being struggle streamers who
are dedicated to my downfall. Right, four of them are
super stalkers. Y'all know what I'm talking about. In fact,
it's interesting because their initials all add up to the
word lame, l A n lame ass ninjas one gotta
l one, gotta a one got a N one gotta e.

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I call them lame and they make a video on
meet them every day?

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Bro? Yeah, every day? What kind of a man I
want to meet? They wives?

Speaker 3 (29:26):
What woman lets their man obsess over another man like
that and stay with them?

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Right?

Speaker 3 (29:33):
If my woman obsessed like that over another woman or
another man, this relationship is over.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
You're giving them more energy than you're giving me. What
is this? And I see it too, I'd be like,
why do they? Is it? Every day? Bro? Oh? I
mean what color socks? City? Where? What kind of smoothie
was that? You ain't liking that? Man?

Speaker 4 (29:52):
What's what's your feelings about nepotism? Like with Brownie James
and Lebron.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
It was nepotism, but I didn't have a problem with it.
You want to know why white privilege is nepotism? How
you going to criticize a black man who built your
league up, kept it running after Mike, after Kobe, Lebron
put it on his back, kept the NBA at a
multi million dollar revenue, and he says, I want my

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son on my team. Look at all the nepotism, y'all
get Look at all the owners who shouldn't be owners.
Look at all the coaches who shouldn't be coaches. Look
at all the gms who shouldn't be gms. You're talking
about some nepotism. Look what happened with em Udokah two
seasons ago with the Boston Celtics when he cheated on
one of the white men in the hierarchy's wife, which

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was wrong. He had no biness doing that, whether she
was white or not, and they exposed email Udoka. We
never even heard the name of a white woman who
voluntarily cheated with him. You talking about some nepotism. Look
at that. She didn't lose her job, but he lost his.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
So for me, I don't have a problem with a
black man flexing his might as Lebron did. Because he
don't do would often obviously because he's controlled by them.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
But he flexed his.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Muscle enough to get his son on the team, and
I support it. I have no problem with a black
person using their quote unquote brought black privilege whenever they
get a little bit.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
I think that the hip hop community kind of had
a reaction towards it, And what I was disappointed in
is that hip hop or rap culture didn't have that
same pushback on Elliott Grains.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Which is the person that's over Universal.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
If you've been noticing, the music industry has been changing
at a rapid pace, and the reason is is because
he put his son at the head of all of
the major labels. There's been people groomed.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
For this job for twenty ways, right.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Dog, He's been people being groomed for this position for
twenty years, and he plucked his son, who been running
a company called ten K. His last couple of signees
were Ice Spice Trip, be Read Cool acts, but not
Platinum plus acts. He didn't necessarily deserve to see your

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position at the most powerful label in the world, and
nobody in hip hop said nothing, and they noticed because
they worked for him.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Can I give you another one do it.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
When I said Eminem has no business being considered the
goat of hip hop, every major icon in hip hop
industry took Eminem's defense against doctor Umar. But what happened
a couple of weeks ago at the Country Music Awards
Beyond sy Nos and Cowboy Carter, which was the number

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one country music album this year, broke at least eight
different records. Every song on the album charted on the
Country music Top one hundred. Beyonce wasn't nominated for a
single award. No white person said nothing, No Black person
said nothing.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
How in the hell do.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
You come to the defense of Eminem when I say
he can't be the goat? And not a nigro said
a word about the Beyonce being completely shafted from the CMAS.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
That's some crazy work. That is crazy.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
What do you feel about Beyonce? Is that her trying
to flex her black privilege?

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Do you think she's interested in country music?

Speaker 4 (33:21):
Or is she actually taking a status and trying to
wipe out everything down every.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Travel white folks do.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Last time I checked, Father Rockefellas said competition is a sin.
You dominate and you monopolize as much as you can
Beyonce didn't do nothing wrong. When when white artists make
headway into R and B, we don't say nothing when
they make headway into rap, we just being absolutely So
what's wrong with Beyonce going into country music, which is

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a genre of music that was created by Africans on
the plantations of.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
The United States of America.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
We created country music, not them devils, So she had
every right to be in country.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Ain't interesting? How will accept justin Bieble?

Speaker 3 (34:05):
And they won't act, they won't accept Beyonce and every culture,
every culture gate keeps except ours.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
We don't gate keep nothing.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
We don't gate keep black food, we don't gate keep
black music, we don't gate keep black spirituality. You got
white people now being voodoo priests. How in the hell
can a cracker be a voodoo priests?

Speaker 1 (34:30):
See that? What do we gate keep?

Speaker 3 (34:32):
You can go to a jazz concert and not a
single black person on the ensemble. How is that possible?
You got white drummers now. I was at an event
not too long ago. Every African drummer was a Caucasian.
We don't gate keep. I'm not mad at white people
for gatekeeping. We should be doing the same damn thing.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Let's talk about Diddy.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
I think this is where we get to some of
the interesting conversation for people who do not know Sean P.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Diddy.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
Combs has been arrested on sex trafficking, amongst other charges racketeering.
He's been involved with one of his exis, Casti Ventur,
who filed a lawsuit and it led into a federal
investigation which deemed him responsible for things that they have
him arrested for. I don't know if he's guilty or innocent.

(35:27):
There's a lot of evidence that they point to. I
haven't seen much.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I did see a video, but he has been denied
bond twice. What is your feelings about Sean P. Diddy Combs.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Vince McMahon of the WWE has been accused of sex
crimes as egregious as Sean Thombs.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Probably worse, has yet to be arrested.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Donald Trump was found guilty in court last year or
this year of having committed right against a woman, and
black people still want to make him president of the
United States. So for nigroes, my first question would be,
where's all this selective morality coming from? Why is it
that one man must be destroyed for sex abuse? But

(36:16):
you don't mind voting for another one to be your
next president. So we need to check ourselves. That's number one. Now,
with that being said, I don't condone sex abuse against women.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
What Sean Combs did to what's her name, Ventura Cassi Cassie.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
In that hallway was egregious, unbecoming of a man, completely unacceptable,
and if he were charged for that crime, I would
probably agree that he needs to suffer some sort of
sentence for it. But guess what she settled out of court.
She took thirty million dollars back to her snow puppy
and she's living her life. Okay, it wasn't right, but

(36:53):
guess what she ain't making no more fus about it.
She took money on that. And mind you, two days
after that stomp out from puff she was on a
red carpet with him at an award show. So how
much of a problem was it really for you? I'm
not condoning domestic abuse, but what I am looking at
is a greater picture here where black men, when they're
guilty of the same crimes as white men, are hung

(37:15):
out to dry, whereas we don't see the same thing
with white males.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Look at Garth Brooks. Is it he based here?

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, Garth Brooks just got accused of sex and you
hear almost nothing about it. Why because the media is
keeping you focused on Diddy. Look at all the children
who are raped by the Roman Catholic Church, but instead
they're gonna worry about R Kelly. Look at Harvey Weinstein. Weinstein,
but instead we're gonna wear about R Kelly. I don't
have a problem with puffy Cumbs being held accountable for

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crimes against women.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
I don't condone it at all.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
But don't make him the scapegoat for an entire system
that the government itself participates in and upholds.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
That's my issue. Don't make R.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Kelly the entire face an escapegoat of child pedophilia. When
you got thirty thousand Roman Catholic priests who ain't never
been held accountable for raping kids much younger than them girls,
R Kelly was making music with what I'm saying, Get
all the pedophiles, get all the sex traffics us. Don't
make my people to scape goat for it, and we

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as black people better learn to stop publicly condemning our owns.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
I was just gonna talk.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
When a Mexican. When that Mexican murdered unlive that sister,
you ain't hear no Mexican people get all on the
internet and say he need to be hung out the dry.
When white people do other people wrong, they don't publicly
condemn Black people. Better stop doing that, because what they're
doing is they're using our self hate if this need

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to feast on the failure of each other as a
way to publicly crucify us. So by the time black
people get done publicly exterminating this person's image, whatever we
do to them, nobody else will care.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Right, we gotta stop doing that.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
I believe in due process, and this is what I
said so Puffy. His federal indictment got three counts. Count
one racketeering. I don't know if he's guilty or not.
Count two interstate sex trafficking.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
I have a hard time believing.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yes, I have a hard time believing that Sean Combs
has the force still and kidnapped women across state lines
to engage in sex with the money he had. Yes,
I'm not saying the innocent. I don't know, but I'm
having a hard time belief right now. The third count,
I think he might be guilty. The third count is

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interstate prostitution paying for sex. Now, what's the difference between
two and the count? Two and three sex trafficking? The
woman is being held against her will? Is bondage? Sex
trafficking is actual?

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Would you say that? Would you say that video?

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Because what I think they're doing is trying to use
that video when he ran down the stairs and grabbed
it and assaulted them. Cassi that his woman though, But
still what they're saying is is that in this video,
what we're viewing is someone trying to escape a quote
unquote freak off.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
And so what you're seeing is someone left the red
carpet with him the next day exactly.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
But this is what you know, they say Stockholm syndrome.
But what I'm saying is this how they're playing it.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
This how the fears of playing it.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
So what they're saying is that that video that we
have is her attempting to leave a freak off. Now
this is where they get him. Her attempting to leave
a freak off. He runs out and grabs them and
hit the beat her and bring her back in there,
in her words, to continue the freak off.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
I was never told that that was a freak off.
I was told they were just staying in the hotel together.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Here's the thing though, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
And even if it is, that's only one incident, it's
going to be difficult for them to convict him off
of something that happened seven eight years ago that's not even.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
A part of the federal I think he shouldn't have
Number one, I think he shouldn't have never agreed that
was him on their video. I mean, it's clear as day. Yeah,
but still we're in the age of AI war.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
That wasn't the big mistake. The big mistake was not
Puff admitting to that being him on the video and
issuing the apology. You know what the biggest mistake was
for Puff for agreeing to pay her in less than
twenty four hours. When he agreed to pay Cassie in
less than twenty four hours, the White Power structure smelt
blood and dag Yo, the liquor company that he sued,

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when they saw that he was that quick to cover
up Cassie, knowing he must have more skeletons, that's when
they picked up the phone.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
They called King Charles.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
King Charles called whoever his connectors in the US government
and his house was rated within a few weeks after,
he settled with Dago Dago is who brought Puffy down
so one of the biggest liquor companies in the world.
Puffy sued them for racism and advertising. He said that
you keep on marketing my brand as an urban liquor.
This is not urban liquor. Anybody can drink this. Puffy

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thought that they was putting him in a corner so
it wouldn't affect their selves of their other brands, so
we sued him. Diagio tried to get the lawsuit thrown
out and the judge aside it with Puff and it
continued and they started losing money, they started losing influence
and you know, we spent more money on alcohol than
any other group. They couldn't afford that. So Puffy brought
them to their knees. Puffy made Diazio settle out of court.

(42:18):
They wouldn't even go to trial. He meant, and guess
what they He basically embarrassed them, and they said we're
gonna get his ass back. We're gonna show and remind
you they are a British based company. You talking about
that white Anglo Saxon Energy.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
You feel me.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
They said, we're gonna show him you don't ever ever
challenge us like that.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
And within a few weeks after they settled, they raided
his home. You know last time I scene did it.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
And let me not also leave out the fact that
Puffy's arrest was also a distraction from the fact that
one of the main reasons that the port workers were
going to strike or are going to strike, is because
they said that they were tired of hearing children banging
on the shipping containers at the docks.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Did y'all hear what I just said.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
They say they can hear the sex traffic victims inside
the containers, y'all. And they tired of being forced to
act like they don't know it is human beings in
these tractors, in these canisters and not merchandise. So they
had to lock up Puff and make him escapegoat for
sex trafficking when you got a whole industry that's about

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the boycott because they're getting sick and tired of children
being transported on the docks.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Damn, I never heard that. Yeah, where's this set? It's
on the internet.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Wow, that's crazy. Yes, Now, but let's go back to
that video.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
You don't think that.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
You don't thank him acknowledged, acknowledging that video played into
this at all.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
He didn't have to acknowledge that. Everybody could say it
was puffed.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
But his biggest mistake was giving her thirty million in
less than twenty four hours.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
He should have let it ride a little bit and
then maybe what the more you let it ride way?
It came out anyway, So it was coming out.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
In it would show that he was too desperate to
keep his demons sealed up.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Now you see what they got.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
They got one hundred and twenty people that white man,
thirsty lawyer. One hundred and twenty people talking about Now
some of them didn't already exposed. One girl just got
exposed trying to get her brother to co sign the story.
Give them three anybody who've been around Puffy alone. They're
gonna try to hit him.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
For the cash he's now. They don't open him up.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Now do you think, do you think financially he's at risk?

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Of course, because the purpose of the indictments in the
trials is to liquidate your wealth through lawyer fees. This
how they tried to get Bill Cosby. This how they
got r Kelly. This is how they want to get Diddy.
You imagine what his lawyers are probably charging him. He
probably got a five team of lawyers. They probably one
thousand dollars an hour. You know, they billing for time

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that they're not even working. This is how you get
rich blacks. You liquidate them through the corporate.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
And then also another trick is the valume of lawsuits
in the district. So they also play in a very
strategic game where thirty lawsuits in New York, thirty in Miami, thirty.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
In you know, so they got one hundred and twenty
different and let us not lose in all of this.
The Willie Lynch symbolism.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
What did Willie Lynch tell the slave owners in Richmond,
Virginia in the seventeen hundreds, The way you control your
slaves is to get the biggest, brightest one, break them
down in front of his people till he's nothing, so
all the rest of them know not to get out
of line. Remember Puffy started that our Black Party, Remember

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that our Black Party. One of the reasons he was
rated in March is they wanted to make sure his
political voice wasn't heard at the RNC or the Democratic
National Convention. They needed Puffy muted. They couldn't afford for
Puff to be talking about black people doing exactly what
doctor Umar been talking about, unite your votes and don't
give it to either party without some serious promises.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
They couldn't afford that.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
He had to he had to be taken out of
the political conversation early so he couldn't weigh in on this.
And this is why they rated him back in March,
and this is why he's arrested right now. So he
has no influence over the presidential election, you know, And.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
I got a lot.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
I got a lot of respect for your mental And
it's something is funny for me that you're just throwing
off the fact that he came out and apologize.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
For that video. No, I don't understand that. I don't.
To me, that was w Yeah, but it's the age
we're in.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
I know you're saying that, but his voice saying I'm
sorry my behavior, I just think that.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
That well, else, what was he going to do? Not apology?

Speaker 4 (46:40):
No, you don't say nothing. You don't say nothing, You
stay quiet. Your lawyers give them romans to say, validate
that video.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
I'm with you on number one. Validate that, where did
that come from? I don't think.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
I don't think you lie and say it's not right.
You don't say nothing, but you do stay quiet. Yes,
you do stay quiet. He did not need to speak
on it at that time, especially knowing you had far
more skeletons in that closet. Yes, I agree with you.
Knowing how much is coming out now, he would have
been best to keep silent and issue an apology with

(47:12):
its complete.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
And then his lawyer could have came at least went
in there and said, when Yanna, we haven't validated that video,
we don't know the origious.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Nobody's going to convince me that Sean Puffy comes. The
lawyers ain't working for the goal.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yes, let's talk about that. That's nobody's going to convince me.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
They took down Puffy because even though jay Z may
be the richest at this point and the most powerful,
Puffy has been the longest reigning king of hip hop.
He was big when jay Z was just getting started,
you feel me. So they needed to shame Puff to
tell all the other rappers, don't you try.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
To get political in these streets. Don't you ever think
you're going to.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Sue a big time mega company like Diagio. Puffy is
an example to every black person in entertainment that we
are white and we still run this.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Let's deal with the lawyer side, because to me, when
I look at the lawyer, I said, damn, sum's not
it doesn't come off genuine. I'm wondering if he told
Diddy that he was having one way communication with the government.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Right.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
I'm believing Diddy was under the impression that I'm gonna
get a bond, so he took fifteen million, paid his
house off. He was doing certain things because his lawyer
told him, listen, stay away from your jet, pay your
house off.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
We're gonna put the fifty million dollar house up.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
And what was happening behind the scenes nobody knew was
his lawyer was contacting the government, but they never was responding.
So he would tell him, Hey, Sean Combs is traveling
to Tennessee today. He'll be there for two days just
in case you guys wanted to know, Hey, Sean comes
is not gonna be by his plane, you know, and
this and that.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
So one thing we got to recognize and keep in mind,
brothers and sisters, there's certain types of crime. Nobody wants
to be associated with, even if you're innocent, No one
wants to be associated with.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Some of y'all know. I was down in Florida last.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Month or the month before because the young brother, Brendan Depper,
the big, dark skinned, eighteen year old black brother, beat
the white teacher's aid who took his Nintendo switch.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Y'all remember that. I remember that well. Brendan Depper's mother
told me.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Allegedly she reached out to Ben Crump, who's based in Florida,
to help exonerate her son because he's adopted.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Ben Crump wouldn't help her. This is what the white
woman told me.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
It's because Ben Crump didn't want to be associated with.
I assume a domestic abuse assault of a big black
man hitting a white woman, it's not good for his business.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Are you following me? So?

Speaker 3 (49:54):
One of the things that the white power structure is
going to bring down our greatest successful, not greatest, but
most successful, most prominent, whatever the case may be, is
charge them with crimes that most black people consider to
be so despicable that we'll just cancel them and move
on and not even worry about the The reason doctor

(50:15):
Umar is still gonna worry about the details is because
if they try to do that to you, if they
try to do that to me, if they try to
do that the one of y'all we don't have Puffy's money.
We can't afford that kind of a defense. So as
black people, even though we disagree with Puff, we all
got issues with Puff, at the same time, we're gonna
make sure the courts provide him with his constitutional right

(50:38):
to do process. We are not going to send them
a message that says we don't care what you do
with him, because we're through with him. Because if we
convict him in the public eye, we're doing exactly what
the judicial system has done to black men for four
hundred years, convict them in the public eye and lynch
them from jail before they even had their day in

(51:00):
And that's why when I see people say, well, doctor Umar,
you taking up for Puffy, look at what he did.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
I'm not taking up for Puffy. I'm taking up for.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
The right of black people to get a fair trial
before a jury of their peers and be convicted the
right way, not off of YouTube videos. We gotta be
very careful about getting too emotional about these kind of
topics because that's exactly what they want you to do.
And Puffy not getting any bail. That was complete racism.

(51:28):
That was to humiliate, that was to shame them. That
was also to be able to put their hands on
him if he runs his mouth.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
And most of all that.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Was to make sure Puffy couldn't get the real story
out to us before they got him. Puffy was kept
behind bars so he couldn't tell the truth on his
own term.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
So you think he deserves a bill. Why not? They're
giving bell to Vince McMahon. Ain't even went to jail.
Why not? Yeah, I mean until he's been proven guilty.
I ain't seen an answer evidence on sex trap and
you did.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
Let's get to that because you said the prostitution one.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
You believe what's first.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Of all because of the freak offs and some people
say you go there, they might pay you. I'm not
saying he guilty of prostitution. I'm saying that seems to
be the easiest.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
What's your feeling is on prostitution.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
I don't support prospect right, so is the oldest female
profession on the planet Earth.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
It's discussed in the Bible.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
I don't agree with it, but it's the oldest female
profession on the planet Earth.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
Wow, so you believe him to be Do you think
they're overreaching with these charges? Like, I mean, a wealthy man,
I'm gonna have money involved in my interactions with women.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
That's just how we go. I may not give them
no money, but you got to remember something.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
There's talk that r Kelly might get out. It don't matter,
he's already been disgraced. The issue here is not whether
Puffy goes to jail. The issue here is to disgrace
him so much that nobody would go anywhere near him
after he gets out. It's the disgracing of the black
man that's supposed too, because you can go to jail,

(53:02):
serve five years, come back and go right back on top.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Uh huh. They need him to be disgraced completely. Do
you think he'll do You think he'll beat the charges.
I don't know. I really don't.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
You think they'll add more charges with the I can
see more charges coming.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
You know, the fans have what a ninety percent conviction rate? Right,
I don't see it's going to be difficult for Puffy
not to do any time, you feel me? Right?

Speaker 3 (53:26):
I think they could get him on that prostitution of racketeering.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
But again, because this is a white power structure takedown,
I don't see him getting out of there without doing
some kind of time.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
And the freak off thing. Right, So here's the details
from the video. They like, they said, Man, if you
paid attention to the video, Diddy had socks on. So
because first people were saying that he was in a
shower because you know, he had a tie long That's
why they're saying that he was naked in there. They
was literally freaking in there, right, he had socks. You

(53:58):
can't be in the shower with your socks on in
your butt naked. That's why you got the tie. So
are you walking around the room butt naked? And she
snuck out.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Like not getting that deep but I know, but but
but what I'm saying is bit too much perspiration.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
No.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
But what I'm saying is is that they're framing that
one that one video and they're calling that.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
What was the charge you said?

Speaker 4 (54:24):
It was, yes, so against her wheel, right, So they're
saying he grab him and throw it back in there.
But I believe did it to do some time as well.
I don't think he gets out Scott Free.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
And the freak off thing to me, bro that has
been overplayed too many times. That's what they do in
that industry, all of them do it. Hugh Heffner had
a living freak off. Hugh Heffner allegedly had underage women
in the Playboy mansion. He never got accused of dirt.
Here we go again with this selective morality. Again, white

(54:58):
men did exactly what Puff did.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
But he didn't travel with people who didn't. They said
Heffner had anybody and he did. Vegus, Yes he did,
he traveled, Yes he did.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
He ain't the only one. They all did it. They
all did it.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Yeah, Because when I because I heard, I mean, I
was looking into that and I was.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Like, look at all the people who was on the
Jerry Epstein plane.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Donald Trump allegedly was on that, Hillary and Billary was
allegedly on that. They said Barack Obama allegedly was on
the Epstein plane. Come on, y'all, are we trying to
stop sex trafficking or are we just trying to shame
a black mogul because he stood up to a white
power company.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
But here here's also something I find interesting.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
I think the mainstream media is doing a little trick,
and I kind of hear.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
You allude to it as well, where it's like.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
That's a hip hop thing, that's what they do, and
it's like, I don't think that's a hip hop thing.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Me either, but I'm glad you brought that up.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Did you hear that lawyer who's representing the one hundred
and twenty victims say we're going after the participants in
the freak Offs?

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Now, I want to see how this goes.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
You want to know why, because it wasn't all black
people at them Freakoffs. And if you start digging into holes,
you're gonna pull a lot of crackers out them holes.
Are y'all following me? So I want to see how far.
I don't think he canna be able to do that.
I think the white power structure gonna pull that lawyer's
cord and say you're gonna stop with Diddy or stop
with the Inner Circle, because if you.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Keep on going, you're gonna get the liquor he said
he want. Here's the trick, right, So Diddy through.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
These massive parties, yes, sponsored by Sarak. So what happens
is people are gonna list that they were that at
a Sarak sponsored party and some stuff happening. It's gonna
go back to that company that is Dago.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Right, there's too many power players and too many power
companies involved in the entire spider web of Hollywood and
music industry sex trafficking. They cannot afford that lawyer to
unravel all of those chains. Are y'all following me? So
either he gonna get his collar pulled or they gonna

(57:04):
take his life.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
You're not bringing that, You're not.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
What's the guy who brought Puffy into Clyde Davis. You're
not bringing Clid Davis down. You can forget it. You
can forget it, ain't you see what I'm saying. So
they gonna give him a ring and a limit, and
that's gonna be.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
He was talking about the places they threw, the parties,
the people that find it.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
This is how you know if they're serious or not.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Let's see if they get TD jakeson there, because we
know he was at the freak offfs pray. He was
baptizing the sheets and stuff before the Freakoffs babes.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
Yeah, so you know they playing a dangerous game and
they call him this a hip hop thing, and I
do want us to push back on that as being
people that introduced.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Because very dambling that nobody in the hip hop industry
got enough guts to expose a higher up.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Are y'all following me?

Speaker 3 (58:01):
They're gambling that we can take down all these nigroes
in Puffy circle who attended these freak offs and engaged
the sex with women against They will, and they gonna
be too scared to mention a white man's name, because
after all, when Jerry Epstein said I'm not going down
by myself, he was dead within a week and they
called it a suicide. Everybody know that wasn't no suicide.

(58:22):
Jerry Epstein should have never said I'm not going down
by myself. And I think Puffy calms those bests. He
cannot do what they said.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
He'd been doing a hunger strike. He's scared.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Because they're poisonous school Puffy, he'd be around them people.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Puffy know how they get you. Puffy know how they
get you. What what's your feeling on Jaguar right

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