In this explosive episode of It's Up There Podcast, Dr. Umar Johnson joins Loon to tackle hard-hitting topics that reveal surprising truths about Black identity, celebrity influence, and community responsibility. Dr. Umar doesn’t hold back as he critiques the impact of public figures like LeBron James, Kamala Harris, and Steve Harvey on the Black community. From debates about whether LeBron is “controlled” to his opinions on removing athletics from the focus of young Black men, Dr. Umar’s insights promise to challenge conventional views. Key Topics Covered: Black Youth & Identity: Dr. Umar explains why he avoids labeling young people as LGBT, stressing the importance of deeper personal identity. Judgment & Suki’s Kiss: He discusses audience reactions to his interaction with Suki, noting how they can be “more judgmental than the church.” Kamala Harris & $15K Endorsement Offers: Dr. Umar calls out Vice President Harris’s record and reveals shocking endorsement deals. Steve Harvey vs. DL Hughley: Unpacking the rumored feud, Dr. Umar shares his take on the conflict between these comedy icons. Athletes, Activism & Control: A heated exchange on whether LeBron James truly has freedom in his public stances, particularly around Gaza support. Oprah & Scholarships: Dr. Umar critiques the effectiveness of scholarships versus entrepreneurship, leading to an intense back-and-forth with Loon. 00:00 | Introduction – Dr. Umar Johnson & Loon Debate Heats Up 00:30 | Children & Identity – Dr. Umar Speaks Out on LGBT Labels and Youth 03:15 | Suki's Kiss Controversy – Are We More Judgmental Than the Church? 06:45 | Kamala Harris Exposed – $15K Endorsement Offers & Public Trust 10:20 | Robert Kennedy’s Alleged Agenda – Dr. Umar’s Unfiltered Take 12:30 | Steve Harvey vs. DL Hughley – The Truth Behind the Feud 16:10 | Athletes as Activists – Jalen Brown, Kyrie, and LeBron in Focus 19:30 | LeBron's Stance on Gaza – Controlled or Independent? 22:55 | Rethinking Athletics – Dr. Umar's Bold Call for a New Focus 26:00 | Wealthy Black Men Debate – Is Dr. Umar “Hating” on Success? 30:10 | Oprah's Scholarships Debate – Education and Cultural Responsibility 33:20 | Kamala Harris Accountability – Can She Deliver for Black America? 35:05 | Ricky Smiley & Public Criticism – Dr. Umar’s Message to Comedians 00:36:01 | NBA, NFL & Hip-Hop: Real Assets or Just Cash Machines? 00:37:31 | Raising the Bar: Setting High Standards for Black Progress 00:38:50 | Building Black Institutions: Is Self-Reliance the Only Way? 00:40:32 | Oprah’s Role: Genuine Progress or PR Stunt? 00:42:14 | College vs. Entrepreneurship: What Truly Empowers Black Youth? 00:43:36 | Loans for Black Grads: Support or Empty Promises? 00:44:14 | Broken Promises to Black Communities: Who’s Responsible? 00:44:32 | Education & Loans: Can They Drive Real Change? 00:44:41 | Who Really Owes Black Communities—Educators or Politicians? 00:45:14 | Why Representation Matters: What’s at Stake for Black America 00:46:36 | The Educators vs. Politicians Debate: Who Actually Delivers? 00:47:07 | Kamala’s Promises: Is She the Real Deal or Just Talk? 00:48:30 | Identity Politics: Ally or Obstacle to Black Empowerment? 00:49:43 | Community Duty vs. Personal Loyalty: Where Should We Stand? 00:50:13 | Personal Influence: Does it Really Impact Black Communities? 00:51:50 | Investing in Black Communities: All Talk or Real Action? 00:52:14 | Fraternities: Brotherhood or Just Status Games? 00:53:56 | Fraternities & Service: Do They Truly Impact the Community? 00:54:16 | Hip-Hop Brotherhood: Is It Genuine or Just for Show? Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Are we still not judge for how much we can
output physically, the basketball player, the football player, the Olympic
track star. You're only worth as much as you can
be used by the power structure. The only difference between
a slave of two hundred years ago and the slave
of today is the slave of today is well compensated,
(00:22):
but he has no more power than his ancestor had
on the plantation two hundred.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Years So black people's money doesn't have power.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
No, Ricky Smiley and Steve Harvey, y'all only carried on
case y'all got paid to carry on. He may not
have taken no money, but that white platform on they damn.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Sure getting paid for kam Lardray.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You can't offer Steve Harvey ten thousand to do nothing.
Do you think that politicians have to give us anything
outside of promises to get us to vote for them.
Because when a young black boy gets out of the
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f d MG school, he's not guaranteed employment either.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yes he is through us.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Our graduates will get small business loans from the school itself.
We're gonna set them up now. If they want to
go to college, we will support that. I'm not saying
no child should go to college. You're gonna give every
kid a small business.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
That's our plan. How do you plan on getting that done?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
We have a plan for that. We got a nice plan.
Ye see, I got that die. It ain't it ain't.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's if I gains.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
No way for you to know whether or not I'm
going to deliver until they graduate in eight years. And
that's you already know whether Kamma are going to deliver
because she's been VP for four.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
And it ain't gating you.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Esh, that's true.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But if she's making promises on the campaign trail, you
also have no way to know if she's gonna deliver
until she's elected.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You are absolutely right, So what promise does she make
the black people so far on the campaign trail? When
Oprah sat here with all the white women you made
rich on that damn shelf, with all the doctor phils
and others who you promoted to national prominence, you couldn't
even give them enough money to fix up the station.
(02:22):
Oprah is the richest woman in the history of the
North American continent. God forbid if she go back to
her ancestors, and we hope that's no time soon, but
God forbid that woman go back to our ancestors haven't
done nothing significant for her race? Though, it don't make
sense because the entertainers are more controlled by the white
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power structure that you and I could ever be. Look
at what they make, Look how much they make, and
more important, look who they make it from. I lie
to you, not brother, and I say it to the
audience here in my Nashville family. If I had the
power to strip every black male and female student athlete
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of their god given skill, I would do it right
now because the money that they're making with their God
given and ancestral given talents are not benefiting us. Look
at all the snow bunnies who are getting rich off
these black men going to the league, so we don't benefit.
How has the NBA benefited Black America? How has the
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NFL benefited Black America? How has hip hop culture we're
gonna get to them fitted Black America? It has not.
So if I were in charge, there would be a
moratorium on gangster rap.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
There would be a moratorialm when an.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
NFL, NBA and Olympics, ain't nobody playing until we get
our business back together.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I don't I don't think that.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I don't think that's a small move though, But you'll
do what you have to do not to lose your money.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Right, My money belonged to the people. I don't care
about no damn money me with that. Oh, I'm telling
you the truth. They can't control me with no money.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
They already not control you with money.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
But you're doing things not to lose the money the
same way lebron is.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
You're not just so. So you're telling me.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
That you're just wide open reckless.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
You don't care about the money.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I wouldn't say reckless, I would say revolutionary.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Do you think Oprah's done nothing?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Give me, give me something something significant. I mean, scholarships
don't count. Scholarship, bro, tell me about something.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Oh whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Hold on, hey, listen, we are recorded, so y'all please, man,
I know I told y'all.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
To be involved, but we are recorded.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Like, listen, So, so, Oprah, you're telling me that Oprah
has done nothing and scholarships mean nothing.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
While you're working on a school.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Okay, let me understand. Let you understand.
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Speaker 1 (06:52):
Can we get a quick update.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
On the school. Let's we salute get into this conversation today.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Frederick Douglass Marcus Scarvey Academy. When I get back home
to Philadelphia Monday, it looks like we're finally going to
get the steps power washed for the first time since
we've owned the school, so I'm looking forward to that.
I may also have a brother who's going to lay
down the floor in the school. Really, right now, we
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are at the stage of cosmetic surgery, and what I
mean by that is we got another layer of paint
for the walls. We have to cover up some of
the floor. Some will be tile, some will be carpet,
and really that's it. We got about four doors. We
got to switch out four doors. So I'm waiting on
the invoice from the door company, but floor indoors and
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it's only a few internal doors, and be ready to
apply for our certificate occupancy. So we are really really
at the finish line. But we got to dot every
R and cross every T. I was told that the
school need to be absolutely one hundred percent moved in ready,
so I want to make sure everything's done, And to
be honest with you, bro, we probably got a week
(08:07):
worth of work left, but it's probably going to take
us longer than the week because you got to get
the right person.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
But I would be shocked.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I would be shocked if we're not applying for our
certificate of occupancy before the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Beautiful, do you.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
See yourself opening? What is the time frame from applying
for the certificate to open in the actual school?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
The question is how long does license and inspection take
to get out there and actually do their job. I
was told that it can take months, but I ran
into an inspector the other day he told me it
could be in a couple of days. So you know,
I guess the truth is somewhere in between that. Assuming
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we don't get hit with nothing, that's the biggest issue.
Will we get hit if we don't get hit with anything.
I'm looking for a grand opening celebration without donors in
black history, mind, you know what I mean, give us
January to prepare and roll it out.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
We might do.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
We might do what is black history on twenty eight days.
We might do twenty eight events in twenty eight days.
Because the other thing too loom. We got to test
the school to make sure everything that was fixed is working.
If y'all know what I mean, Let's flush these tallets,
let's use these things, you know, let's play with this heat,
let's play with this ac because you want to make
sure the school is workable before the children get in
(09:27):
there exactly, and we don't plan on bringing the children
till August. So we'll have about nine months to make
sure everything we paid for is in work in order.
Because mind you, everything's fixed, but we haven't used anything
because nobody's coming in there yet, you follow me, So
we need to, you know what I mean, shake some
dolls and tap on some window, you know what I mean,
and make sure everything we paid for is working. And
(09:47):
so we'll have nine months to do that.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
That's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And you know that's an actual real thing, because you
can even have a home and not use the bathroom
that's on the other side of the house and the
pipe bust y'all a sudd We're like, oh, I ain't
even use this. Yes, that's definitely a beautiful thing. Do
you foresee that the government or the state will try
to give you some arrested development and getting into the.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I anticipate that my YouTube being struggle streaming as haters
are gonna lay some traps. The government, They're gonna lay
a few traps, but I think they depend on the
YouTube being struggle streamers to feed them. I think they
want them to feed them because that's what they normally do.
(10:34):
They feed them what they think I'm doing wrong, and
then the government kind of follows up with them. So
we're probably gonna get some stuff, you know. I anticipate,
you know, I don't know, some LGBT, some white, some
I don't know what it's going to be, whether it
with the applications, whether it's gonna be with uh.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Applications for work, for staff, for students.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Anticipate them nonsine, right, Yeah, but you know what I
told people when they asked me whether or not. You know,
LGBT students will be.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Allowed in the school.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
From where I stand, with my background in psychology, I
don't really see our children as LGBT.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I see them as being confused.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
So all I have to do is educate the boys
as boys and educate the girls as girls, and everything
else will work itself out.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
So will they be allowed. Sure, they will be allowed
because I don't see them as LGBT. That maybe how
they see themselves. But I believe we can correct any
of the indoctrination, any of the nonsense that has been
put into the minds of our children, because I believe
that when the Creator gave birth to African people as
the first people, you know, as the chosen people, we
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are designed to lean towards the truth.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
We don't always lean towards the truth, but we're designed
to lead towards the truth.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
And with our children.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Being the most innocent and most inexperienced sector of our community,
once we give them that raw, all unapologetically African centered culture,
that raw spiritual culture, that raw history, that raw Pan Africanism,
he ain't gonna want to be nothing other than a
boy and the young ladies. When we open up the
Girls Academy. They're not gonna want to be anything other
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than some beautiful young women.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
That's some beautiful thing she needs to fix.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Your sure, come on that point.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I'm sorry about this, you guys.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You know we gotta make sure the audio is always
top tier.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
That gonna help you out there. You can stay a
little longer though you kind of curve.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Shut up.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Five five.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
We know what you like too. Don't act like you
know a lot of time you like to run from
like man, you.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Know, let's talk about that first of all.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
What's up?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
You know last year I.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Had you here and I talked to you about beloved Sukiyana.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yes, and we had a communication.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
You say, you know, you know I meet.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
People where they are.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yes, I'm a man myself.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Your interaction with Suki Yanna, it lends me some information
that I want to try to ask you to clarify.
Is there anything that you are attracted to when it
comes to the beautiful Sukianna.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I'll tell you what attracts me to Sukihanna. She is
a completely different woman off the television set. When we
had dinner, that conversation was so pure, so innocent, so honest.
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I almost forgot who I was having dinner with. So
what she does on television, although I don't condone it,
it's a persona behind all of that is a beautiful woman.
And I hope before it's too late that she turns
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the corner, because she has a lot to offer our
community if she can come back over to this side,
you know, that's my hope. I wanted to come back
over to this side. What does too late look like,
I don't know. But what I do know is in
the world of entertainment, when you start to get on
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the other side of forty, right, that's your golden years
in entertainment.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Black don't crack, as you know.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
But when our sisters good on the other side of forty,
when they're in the show business industry, that's when the
views and everything can begin to slow down, you know.
And I want her to make that shift before she
gets there. She got some time before she gets there,
but I want her to make the shift while she's
still on top, still commanding an audience. Do right, while
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you're still under the light. Do you think that.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Some of your audiences, I believe, is not as open
minded to that subject as you.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I agree very judgment right. In fact, the Black consciousness
community might be more judgmental than the Christian Church. The
Black conscious community might be more judgmental than the Islamic
mash Gen. They might be more judgmental than some of
our Hebrew Israelite brothers. We're very judgmental and we're quick
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to condemn in Black consciousness, which I think is one
of the misgivings of the culture because despite all the
knowledge and information we've given people on the flip side,
we're very quick to judge by appearances. So for example,
I want all Black women natural, right, and one day
every in here who not naturally gonna be natural. Okay,
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But I'm still gonna accept my sisters who not natural.
They not gonna get judged, They not gonna feel uncomfortable.
I'm not gonna run them out the room, because I
know there's no compulsion in consciousness. People come to consciousness
on their own terms. You cannot force it. I've had
sisters who I never thought would go natural bro who
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show up to me one day at an event and say,
doctor Umar, look, brothers who I never thought would stop
bunny hopping, and they show up one day, and they'll
show up one day with a black woman. Proud look, Doc,
I finally did. I'm like, I gave up on that brother.
I thought he was done. He shows up six years
later with a beautiful, dark skin chocolate queen. Right. So
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I had to learn that we can't expect people to
change when we want them to change, let them come
in their own term. Look at el haij Maley Kelshiabaz
Malcolm X. He was raised in a Garvey family. His
father was a leader of the Garvey movement. In fact,
it was Malcolm's father who put pressure on President Calvin
Coolidge to exonerate Marcus Garvey. Malcolm's father did that, but
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after the father passed and the mother was institutionalized, Malcolm
went wayward for a long time.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
But did he end up back to consciousness.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yes, in the last year of his life he ended
right back with Garvey's Pan Africanism. You got to give
people time to make the mistakes that karma requires in
order for us to learn from our experiences.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yes, sir, that's a beautiful that's a beautiful thing. I
want to ask you about Steve Harvey. Yes, sir, uncle Steve,
there was after the Democratic National Convention. I believe he
came out in support of Kamala Harris. Yes, you pushed
(17:51):
back and said that you received a phone call or
some sort of message communication that they were willing to
give you some money to endorse Kamala.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Not to endorse, but to interview interview.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Okay, okay, And so did you verify because as posted
it after that, they denied it.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Well, no one from Kamala Harris's camp denied it.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
They didn't Lord Charlemagne Breakfast Club. I thought they said
that no one reached out. No, okay, no.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And the reason they can't because when you look at
the DNC and the RNC, they're so large. Yes, they
have offices, you understand, So that means you got to
check with every office to see if nobody reached out
the doctor Umar, To be honest with you, I thought
it was.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
A normal thing. I'm an influencer.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
He has the voice of young Black America, throwing fifteen
grand for the interview. But me being a political scientist,
I know that money was to soften the questions. I
know that money was to kind of show her in
a good light. And what I told them was, we
can do it, but it must be live. It cannot
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be edited and it must be direct to the people.
They did hit me back a second or third time,
but then they kind of fell off after I made
those demands.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
I believe it was legitimate.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Do you have did you have a point of contact
or yeah, the phone's still on my phone?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeow, yeah it's still So you not posted it because
I wanted people to see, because you know me, anytime
I get anything underhand, I exposed it, just like people
from Who's the the Kennedy brother who's running as an independent, Robert.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
His team reached out a couple times.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
They reached out his last campaign, they reached out this campaign,
and he decided to endorse Trump. And I was kind
of disappointed because you came to me seeking support and
then you end up on Trump team. So you really
wasn't about what you claim to have been. That's why
the Honible Marcus Garvey he never allowed us to endorse politicians.
(19:53):
You feel me, we do the way either way, good
or bad, black or white, we do not endorse politicians.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
And the reason why brother Loon.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
If Loon is running for mayor of Nashville, doctor Umar
publicly endorses lom Loon ends up selling out the people
the damning of his reputation is automatically the damning of
my reputation. The quickest way for me to destroy the
respect and trust I have from our people is to
publicly support a candidate that the community does not finance.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Now, Steve Harvey response says, you can't pay Steve Harvey
ten thousand dollars to do nothing. Right, He vehemently denied
that he was offered money. Now, his endorsement, he says,
is pure. His questions, he said, will be softball, but
he didn't say he was paid for that.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Do you think do you think that.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Politicians have to give us anything outside of promises to
get us to vote for them, because okay.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
In fact, they don't even have to give us promises.
Because when it's the last presidential when who was the
last presidential candidate that promised black people anything? Black people
vote because we are shamed into voting. There's something called
ancestral shaming. You know what ancestral streaming is. If you
don't vote, you turning your back on Fanny lou Haima.
(21:18):
If you don't vote, you turning your back on Correta
Scott King. If you don't vote, you turning your back
on Mega evers.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
If you don't.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Vote, you turning your back on doctor King and all
them ancestors who struggled and died and went to jail. No, Ninja,
We're not turning our back on our ancestors.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
We're turning our back on a.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Party that has consistently and repeatedly ignored the issues that
affect black people. They do a lot of ancestral shaming.
But what they don't tell you is how the Democratic
Party undermined Fanny Lou Haima at the nineteen sixty eight convention.
What they don't tell you is how President Linda Baines
Johnson tapped the phones in the hotel where all the
Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party members who can ain't with Fannylou
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at Atlantic City where they stayed, that he had the
FBI spying on them so they can know everything that
they were strategizing, so they can undermine them. Nobody tells
you how the Democratic Party treated Fanny Lou. They kept
mentioning her name at the DNC as if they upheld
her in her day.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
No, they didn't.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
They treated that woman like she was less than dirt,
and they got the nerve to use that ancestors name
to try to make it look like the Democratic Party
is the party of blacks. Here's my thing to Uncle Steve.
And I like Steve Harvey. E bougie, coolish, but I
like him. Okay, when Steve said he wasn't paid, I
believe him. But you know what, he didn't say that
(22:41):
his network did not receive compensation. You're not gonna tell
me that the Steve Harvey Show, or the D. L.
Hugley Show, or the Ricky Smiley Show sits on a
white platform. And these white folks who are all about money,
knowing Kamala raised thirty million in one night us with
black folks, and you're going to sit up here and
(23:02):
endorse this woman freely all through your show. And you
think though white folks ain't calling her campaign office saying
y'all owe us some money. He may not have taken
no money, but that white platform. Me on, they damn
sure getting paid for Kamala.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Harrison, right.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And you know I like Steve as well. You know
I've been around him a few times, had conversations with him.
But there is a historical context, you know what I'm
saying that we have to examine when it comes to Democrats,
any of them and our people. But I also think
that when Steve Harvey, because you got to remember twenty seventeen,
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he went in Holladay Trump, Yes he did, and I
think we gave him a lot of backlash about that.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And we shouldn't have Yeah, because you should meet with
both sides because neither are your friend. See when black
people in DL Hugley in particular, shamed Steve Harvey for
meeting for Trump in seventeen, I took issue with that.
I said, you're supposed to meet with both parties and
see what you're going to get. But black people have
this loving relationship with the Democratic Party. You're so in
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love with this side who's never done nothing for you,
that you won't even have a conversation with the other side.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Who else does that?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
What other ethnic group in America is married to one
party or the other? Are there Asians married to one
party or the other? Are the Latinos married to one
party or the other? Are the a Rabs married to
one party or the other? Absolutely not? So why should
black people be married to one party.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Or the other.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
And mind you, we've been voting Democrat, y'all for eighty
eight years consistently, Not no thirty some people say for
the last thirty. No, this goes back to the nineteen
thirty six election Franklin Delano Roosevelt. In fact, even though
Roosevelt lost the nineteen thirty two election, that was the
first big shift we saw of black people away from
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the Republican Party towards the Democratic Party. That was the
election of thirty two. That was the election of thirty two.
But in thirty six, that's when black folks have consistently
and continuously switched from Republican to Democrat. So this is
an eighty eight year phenomenon. You understand me, almost a century?
What have we gotten for being so loyal for one party?
And let us be clear, the Democrats in the Republicans
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have the same vision for Black America extermination. The only
thing they differ on is strategy and tactic. I need
us to understand that strategy and tactic, the vision is
the same. The only thing they differ on how do we.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Get I mean, what should we ask for people like
Steve Harvey? What should they be getting for Kamala Harris endorsement?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Honestly, because most of our celebrities are controlled in finance
through the white power structure. The best thing they could
probably do for me is shut up and sit down.
I don't want them as spokespersons. You're not not How
was your bold enough to represent us? You're not loyal
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and passionate enough to articulate our concession.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
But don't we need them to activate voters? I mean,
don't we need involvement in the political process.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Look at all the grassroots activists we have in Tennessee,
from Memphis, the Chattanooga to Nashville. Why would you need
a celebrity from now? Why would you need Eddie George
hypothetically hit a coach of TSU who I respect.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I'm just using them as an example.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Why would you need Eddie George to be the voice
of black people in Tennessee where you have all these
grassroots activists? You know why you would want a celebrity
because if I use a grassroots activist who has nothing
to lose, they're going to tell nothing but the truth.
I don't want that conversation because I don't plan to
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do nothing for black people. So when I want to
hear about the black reality, I want someone who's so comfortable,
so well paid, so well placed, so well celebrated, that
he wouldn't dare say the wrong thing because he can't
afford to lose his status. The reason the celebrities are
the new black bourgeois is we no longer have college
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educated bourgeoise who we lean on. There's no more Andrew Young's,
there's no more Tavis Smiley's. Cornell West don't have the
same shine anymore. So with the twenty first century loan
with the turn of the century, y two K that
switched the black bourgeois from being your black professionals, your
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n DOUBACP presidents, your fraternity and sorority leaders that went
to the wayside. Why because black youth don't listen to
them the way their parents did. Nobody thirty years old
gives a damn about what Cornell West thinks or the
president of the NAACP thinks. And I love Cornell West,
don't get me wrong. He is a sand bunny hopper,
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but that's another time, okay. But nonetheless they don't care.
So we want to control the youth. We got to
control them through the people they listen to. But I
think that makes sense, though it don't make sense because
the entertainers are more controlled by the white power structure
that you and I could ever be. Look at what
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they make, Look how much they make, and more important,
look who they make it from. When I saw Lebron
James go public when Israel invaded Gaza and Lebron James
issue the statement and he said that I stand with Israel. Now,
you're supposed to be an activist, Lebron James, and I
respect you him and Bronnie. I love seeing them on
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the court together. I love that father son situation as
long as I don't catch Bronni bunny hop it. But nonetheless, Lebron,
how can you, as a black man, with all we've
been through, all we've been through, how could you dare
go public and stand with Israel in their genocide against
the policy a people. Lebron James was wrong for that,
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but he had no choice because his dealings with that
community financially dictated that he's staying with Israel.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Man, that's you believe that, I know it.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
So you think you think that Lebron is controlled all
of them?
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Who ain't?
Speaker 1 (29:19):
The question ain't who is? The question is who isn't controlled?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Do you think there's enough that you get enough money, power,
well finances, or resources to to break free.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Who do you think made Lebron James a billionaire last year?
Thank you? The untouchables be untouched?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yes, yeah, but we're gonna get to dinny yah. Hold on,
we're gonna get to dinner.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
But so so, but so you think that there's no
way to break.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Free if you're willing to lose everything that you got.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So you saying that you can't keep your power in
your money and be free.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Not if you made it through them. Lebron didn't become
a billionaire through the Nigro leagues, you understand. He became
a billionaire through the NBA, who has what the largest percentage.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Of untouchables as team owners.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
They own the NBA, and therefore they own him.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
I don't know, Doc, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
This is the reality we're living in.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Brother.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
It is not the hard argument.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Listen, listen. Under slavery, the black man was a commodity
to be owned and traded. So while we're value, let
me finish there. Our value was contingent on how much
we could physically produce for the plantation. When you look
at the NFL, when you look at the NBA, when
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you look at our Olympic athletes, I'll ask you the question,
has there been any chance or modification in the way
the power structure judges the value of a black man's life?
Are we still not judge for how much we can
output physically? The basketball player, the football player, the Olympic
track star. You're only worth as much as you can
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be used by the power structure. The only difference between
a slave of two hundred years ago and the slave
of today is the slave of today is well compensated,
but he has no more power than his ancestor had
on the plantation two hundred years.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
So black people's money doesn't have power.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
No, it can be converted into power, but no celebrity
is going to risk doing that.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
See here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
When you hear about a celebrity getting an endorsement deal
from a Caucasian company, that endorsement deal is a slave shackle.
It binds your mouth shut to the things that matter
to your people. When you hear these rappers, I got
an endorsement deal over here and endorsement deal over here.
That's why I respect Jalen Brown of the Boston Celtics.
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He wouldn't take it he came out with his own sneaker.
I believe Kyrie now has his own sneaker. Nike cut him,
he said, don't come back to me after the drama.
Keep the same energy. I'm going to go in this
direction because the more you represent brands that are not
sensitive to the black agenda is the further away you
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are from being loyal to the community.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
So what is the money for.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Are you free?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yes, because I have no attachments at all to the
white power structure, brown power structure, yellow power structure, red
power structure, gave power structure.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I'm completely free.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
When your school gets open, it has attachment to the government.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
No, sir, because we don't have the file up.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
But you have to file to even be operating through
the state, correct.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
So you have to stay in compliance legally. That's not
the same as being provided.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
For Nah nah, I'm not telling let me handle this please,
surely not being but right. But what I'm saying, though,
is is that you still have to operate in that
system that you're saying black people can't.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Because we live in the country. It's no getting out.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Of that following right here we go now, but here
you go following rules. Loom is it the same as
being subsidized by Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
But but but getting money through that power structure comes
with rules that you must follow.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I'm not getting no money through the power, but.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
You're still following rules.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
So ifn right, So if Lebron's following rules, you're following.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Ron is financed right by Caucasian.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
So that's why he's following rules. Yeah, I'm dealing with
the action. Both of you guys are following rules, okay
in this In this scenario absolutely.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
The difference is I'm following procedural guidelines in order to
operate legally, the same as anybody else in the societ.
Lebron James has been financed at a level greater than
most people in the society. Therefore, his freedom of action
is restricted. Subsidy is not the same as obedience to law.
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He subsidized.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, but I don't know if that suspends it, because
it's completely different.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Doing what you gotta do so you don't go to
jail is completely different from doing what you gotta do
so you don't lose your money.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
But you'll do what you have to do not to
lose your money. Right, my money belonged to the people.
I don't care about No, Damney, don't hit me with
that shit again.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Umar, No, I'm.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Telling you the truth. They can't control me with no money.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
They already not control you with money.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
But you're doing things not to lose the money the
same way lebron is. Just so you're telling me that
you're just wide open reckless, you don't care about the money.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I wouldn't say reckless, I would say revolutionary. Well, that
makes sense, but I still don't believe.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I mean, I'm wondering what does that say to the
young black boy like that wants to utilize the NBA
or utilize some of those systems to gain financial freedom and.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Try to break free.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
You're basically telling the young black boy that there's no
way to break free.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I lie to you, not, brother, and I say it
to the audience here in my Nashville family. If I
had the power to strip every black male and female
student athlete of their God given skill, I would do
it right now because the money that they're making with
their God given and ancestral given talents are not benefiting us.
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Look at all the snow bunnies who are getting rich
off these black men going to the league. So we
don't benefit. How has the NBA benefited Black America? How
has the NFL benefited Black America? How has hip hop culture?
We're gonna get to the infitted Black America up. It
has not. So if I were in charge, there would
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be a moratorium on gangster rap. There would be a
moratorial when an NFL, NBA and Olympics. Ain't nobody playing
shit until we get our business back together. I don't.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I don't think that.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I don't think that's a small move though, I just
to strip every black boy of that.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
God, do you know?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Do you know what people are gaining by going to
certain Ivy League colleges with scholarships and then getting.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Hurt before they get to the league.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
You're giving me individualism. We're talking about group.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Probably enough enough single people will make a group, though
uh huh.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
They will make a group of talented tip bourgeois elitist ninjas.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
We don't want that.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
We want a progressive Black community. And you don't judge
the condition of a people by ten nigros at the
top who take orders from Caucasians.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
It's people with more money than you, bougie.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Do you think that because I know you want who
wasn't Attorney O. J. Simpson's atten Ernie Johnny Cochran was
a man of financial means who was loyal to his people.
And you've had others throughout time. You understand, but you
don't have it.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
But when you throw around bourgeois and all this here,
I need to not criteria.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I'm not speaking purely of income. I'm talking about income
and consciousness. I make this money and I do not
consider myself loyal to nor do I have any obligation
to the best interests of black people.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
That is a bouge wise. How do you be loyal
to black people? A millionaire? Give them, give them the game.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
By a millionaire, you should be building an institution if you.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Are a millier, so nobody's loyal. You're the only one
that got to build an institution that I know.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Then guess what.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
See this is what I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
How the hell do you be able to set the
standards like that to say when nobody's.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Loyal because they ain't doing what I meant.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I didn't tell you this, so okay.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
What I'm saying is for me as a pan Africanist,
as a Black activist, as a follower of the teachings
of the most Honorable Marcus Messiah Gorvey. Our standard is
high for our people, why because our ancestors standard was
high for themselves. Look At what Thaniel Luhima had to
go through for you and I to be on this stage.
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Look At what a Frederick Douglass and a Market's gonna be.
Look at a Mega Evers and the Huey P.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Newton.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Look at what they had to go through for us
to even be sitting here having this conversation in Nashville,
Tennessee of all places. Who am I to say that
I am not required to put forth the same level
of commitment as those who shoulders I stand on. I'm
not giving you a new level of obligation. I'm bringing
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back the old level of obliging. Is this institution thing?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Like?
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Is this a real idea?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Like?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Is this something that can be materialized?
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Don't Chinese have self sustaining institutions?
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Don't you not? In America?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
You find a China town in almost every major city,
especially I'm.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Talking about I'm talking about the school inside of.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
It, same thing.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
They have their own school. Yes, Okay, you see.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
What I'm saying. Where is ours? Check it out?
Speaker 3 (39:14):
You can't show me a black wall street in America.
You can't show me.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Once they Burnda down, then.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
One hundred and four years ago.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Why we ain't built the new one yet. You can't
show me one city where we own the home, excuse me,
the bank, the school, the hospital, in the supermarket.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
And you know what's sad. Look at all these billionaires
we got.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Even with billionaires, we don't have no industries for the community.
Look at my sister Oprah. And I loved my sister open.
She came from nothing, from here, fromsues, and.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Look what she became.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
But don't you know, when I visited Tennessee State, maybe
two visits ago, I was interviewed at the station where
Oprah made her name. And I'm sitting there and I
couldn't help but say to myself, this station still it
looks like what it probably looked like when Oprah sat here,
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with all the white women you made rich on that
damn show, with all the doctor phils and others who
you promoted to national prominence, You couldn't even give them
enough money to fix up the station. Oprah is the
richest woman in the history of the North American continent.
God forbid, if she go back to her ancestors, and
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we hope that's no time soon. But God forbid that
woman go back to our ancestors. Haven't done nothing significant.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
For her race?
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Do you think Oprah's done nothing?
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Give me, give me something significant.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Scholarships don't countship, Tell me about something.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Oh, whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. Hold on, hey, listen,
we are recorded, so y'all, please, man, I know I
told y'all to be involved, but we are recorded, like listen,
So so Oprah, you telling me that Oprah has done
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nothing and scholarships mean nothing.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
While you're working on a school.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Okay, let me understand that.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
I'm gonna let you understand. Oprah built a grade school
in South Africa. I love that. Those are my brothers
and sisters.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
But as Pan Africanists, we believe you struggle at home
and you struggle abroad. You gave our South African family
a school they needed that. I love South Africa, but
where is the one for the students in Nashville? You see,
that's my issue with Oprah.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
But you didn't answer the question, and that was a
good point.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Down to the scholarships.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
Yes, grade.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
School is mandatory. It's obligatory in all fifty states. It's
no getting around it. College is optional. The reason why
I don't want Oprah and other rich blacks trying to
get away with giving out scholarships and doing nothing else.
When you give a scholarship, you're giving money to either
a white institution and in many cases a white controlled
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black institution, and when that child dull graduates, there's no
guarantee of employment. When you look at the cost of
college right now, what is TSU a year in tuition?
Now twenty five So that's one hundred thousand dollars tuition,
not including room boarding the rest. Okay, what would be
better serving our children when we know more than half
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of blacks with college degrees can't find work, and most
of them don't work in the industry they receive their
degree in. Would we be better served with OPRAH giving
up one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for education or
OPRAH giving up one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for
a business startup grant. That money should be going into
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business startup grants. In other words, go get your real
estate license. I'm gonna set you up with your first
office and your first business. Go get your plumbing. You're electric,
you understand. Go get your stocking investment, get your trade certificate,
and I'm gonna set you up with your startup business.
They should be financing entreprene newership, not education. The future
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for Black America is not white man degrees. It is
businesses that we run and can employ our own. Small
businesses are the backbone of the American economy. And if
they are the backbone of the American economy, they the
neck bone, chicken bone and with bone of the black community.
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
With you again, I still haven't I want to stay
on on this point. When a young black boy gets
out of FDMG school, he's not guaranteed employment either, Yes.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
He is.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Through us.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Our graduates will get small business loans from the school itself.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
We're gonna set them up.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Now. If they want to go to college, we will
support that. I'm not saying no child should go to college.
You're going to give every kid a small business.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
That's our plan.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
That's absolutely How do you plan on getting that done?
Speaker 3 (43:52):
We have a plan for that. We got a nice plan.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yes see, no, no, no, no, no, no, I got
that down, and I got some celebrity friends. I ain't
calling them names, yeah yeah, yeah, but I got some
multi millionaire celebrity friends who all know who said when
I need them, they're going to be there for me
after the school opens. They want to see the school open.
So I'm going to pick up the phone and reach
out and tap on some of them brothers, because that's
gonna be a hard thing.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I mean, I guess for me, it's the same thing
you're asking Steve Harvey to do with Kamala. You're asking
him to say, Hey, what do we get, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (44:24):
What are you doing for black people?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I'm asking you that, Hey, if a black boy goes
to your school, he's not guaranteed work.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
You gotta answer for that.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Well, he's not guaranteed work, but we have business loans,
and so at some point I do want to get
into that. Maybe not now, whenever you iron out those dps.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
But you can't confuse us providing our graduates with a
business startup grant with an elective representative wanting votes without
giving anything in exchange.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
What they're give me the same promises that you get.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
No, it's completely different because one's job is to represent
the needs of the people. You understand, our job is
to educate our children, and as part of that education,
we're gonna provide them with those business startups when they graduate.
We're not obligated to do it. She's obligated to represent
the people. Yes, but two different things right. One is
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an individ You just told me you were obligated.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Though you said you just told me my an What
don't matter why you obligated?
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yes, it does. No help y'all does listen because I
get arrested.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
It don't matter. We both get arrested.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
We both all arrested, all right, So listen, help me understand.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
If you're the roll behind your backs all Skywalker here,
you're gonna hollow you to Moses Malone, heay, Moses Malone
gonna go to do it a step past and Beyonce.
Beyonce gonna do a double dip back dunk to Michael Jackson.
He's gonna roll it over to Garth Brooks. Garth Brook's
gonna take it to Lord of the Rings. Lord of
the Ring's gonna take So help me listen, understand.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
No, no, no, help me understand. Let's bring it back.
Help me understand. You're giving promises. Kamala is giving.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Promises children who graduate from the School's completely different from
being a president of the United States of a meland.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
You keep giving me job titles. I'm talking about intentions.
I don't care about job titles. You're telling me that.
You just told me five minutes ago. I have a
certain Barama because of my ancestors. I'm obligated to stand
out on the hill and get these institutions done.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
You just told me that.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Then the next time, next sentence, you just told me, Well,
I'm obligated for a different reason. I'm not obligated because
in the same way that Steve.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Harvey is our students. Right, we're starting with second through
fourth grade. We won't have a graduating class for twelve years.
Kamala Harris wants your vote in about four weeks. What
the hell we talking about?
Speaker 2 (46:47):
It's still promises though it ain't.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
It ain't.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
It's my point, I just if I gains no way
for you to know whether or not I'm going to
deliver until they graduate in eight years, and that's you
already know whether Kamala going to deliver because she's been
VP for four and it ain't gating you ish, that's true, But.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
If she's making promises on the campaign trail, you also
have no way to know if she's going to deliver
until she's elected.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
You are absolutely right, So what promise does she make
the black people so far on the campaign trail?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
You're right, she hasn't made one that I've seen, and
I could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
She don't go and make one.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
So but you're saying she hasn't made one, and so
my knowledge you heard something.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
I haven't heard anything. Kamala's mistake is she tried to
use the Baraco Obama racial identity strategy.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Problem is the people who.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Are sixteen when Obama became president, they thirty one thirty
two now and ain't not as gullible as their parents
and grandparents. They want more than your color of skin
as a reason to vote. See this whole issue about
Kamala being East Indian and not African would not even
be an issue, Loom if she didn't with racial identity
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as their primary reason for why you should vote for her.
See when Steve Harvey kept saying she's a black woman,
why y'all don't want to see a black woman win?
Speaker 3 (48:10):
When d L and Ricky and Roland.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
When all them negro starts saying, y'all should want to
see a black woman in office, and that's the only
thing y'all giving us is the color of her skin. Naturally,
people gonna say, well, time out, because I've seen her mom.
That lady clearly ain't black. When I look at the dad,
he looked a little coolish. So let's dig into this
a little bit. In other words, black people would have
never even dug into our ancestry, bro, and she would
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have gave us.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Something other to look forward to.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Donald Trump never said he was black. Joe Biden never
said he was black. Bill Clinton never said he was black.
You understand. So why introduced this if you know it's
not authentic. You know why she introduced it because she
had no intention of leading with policies.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
I also heard you in that same time goal kind
of respond to Riky Smiley, and Ricky Smiley actually went
on here show and cried. He actually shed some tears.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Because Joe Biden wrote him a personal letter. I believe
in one of his sons was ill. Okay, and see,
here's another mistake we make as African people. A white
person does something good for you, just you. And because
the white person did something good just for you, you
think that means every black person has to sympathize with
(49:27):
this Caucasian because they did something good for you. Your
relationship with Joe Biden is your relationship with Joe Biden.
It doesn't obligate the other forty five million blacks in
America to be Joe Biden sympathizes. We got to stop
that nonsense. That's your white folks don't do that. White
folks will do something for one black person and guess what,
(49:50):
or that black person would do something good for that
one white person, and guess what. That white person has
no intention of telling any other white person that you
have to do right by this black are y'all following?
How many times have you done something to look out
for a white coworker and they never reciprocated, They never
told other white folks to take your back.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
They don't give a damn.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
We're the only ones running around crying for slave masters
who don't cry for us.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Do you? You said that him crowd was all time load?
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Yes, because.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Why is a black man crying over a white president
and an East Indian vice president? And he tells us.
Don't y'all want to see a member of Alpha Kappa
Alpha Sorority Incorporated and Vice President Harris gets sworn in
by a member of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority Incorporated, Supreme
(50:46):
Court Justice Katanji Brown, And I'm saying to myself, ain't
they both bunny Hoppius? I love the Aka's Lord knows,
I love some five to five thicking the thigh deltas.
For what the hell they got to do with power
to see for Black Americas.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
I didn't like that. I'm I did not like that.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
On the day, Doctor King, a member of the Alpha
Phi Alpha, I bet you doctor King was in his grave,
said yeah, I didn't like that. I love the Divine Nine,
but don't feed us a symbol. And to that point,
I gotta throw this at the Divine nine. Y'all raised
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thirty million dollars in one night, and all of them
come from black communities, without a single decent school, without
a single decent hospital, without a single bank that will
invest in our businesses, without a single decent place for
(51:52):
our mothers to get food to feed their children. Look
at what we did just for her to run, Just
for her to run. You don't get the money back.
Thirty million in a night. That's at least five schools
right there. So we got the money, we just don't
care enough to invest in the future of our children.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Did you ever were you ever gonna join?
Speaker 1 (52:14):
I was gonna join Omegasi Phi Fraternity Incorporated Harrisburg Grad
Chapter because we didn't have no cues at Millersville University
in Lancaster, and somebody hated on me and sent my
information to the wrong address. So when I showed up
for the first night, mad Dog from Temple University told
(52:35):
me since I didn't have on a shirt and a tie,
I couldn't come in. And it wasn't meant. It wasn't meant,
did you?
Speaker 2 (52:42):
I mean, what's your feeling about fraternities?
Speaker 1 (52:44):
And everything's neutral, it's how you use it. Doctor King
was out for fay Alfha, Doctor Colin f du Muhammad
was on Megasi five major doctor Martin Robinson Delaney grandfather
Pan Africanism.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
He was amazing.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Prince Hall another Pan African is he was Amazon. So
it's all neutral, it's what you do with it. In
other words, at TSU, the fraternities might actually be in
sororities might actually be into community service. They might actually
be into stop the violence. They might actually be into
growing black businesses. I might go down the road to
fist and it might just be a party happy situation.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
It all depends where you are.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
The fraternities and sororities are too diverse to judge an
entire organization because there's just too much variety amongst them.
I speak in colleges all the time. I'm impressed with
some of the stuff that they're doing at certain places
and other places. I'm like, they need to shut this
chapter down because all y'all want to do is hayes
people gets drunk and party march at the parties, you
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know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
So it really all depends on the chapel.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
In essence, I support them because many of our ancestors.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Came through those channels and they used it for good.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
But see, here's Dell, this is where I want to go.
I want to take the conversation to a different spot
because you're sounding like you're passion and you care about fraternities.
But I did see that you've been having this conversation
about hip hop and it's where it has not did
anything in fifty years.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
So are you considering hip hop a fraternity?
Speaker 2 (54:20):
I'm considering hip hop. Well, I won't explore I won't
explore this conversation. I won't explore the fraternity and hip
hop because.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
If they are a fraternity, who are their founders and
who do they pay dues to?
Speaker 2 (54:36):
Well, you know, see, here we go, This is where
it gets interested
Are we still not judge for how much we can
output physically, the basketball player, the football player, the Olympic
track star. You're only worth as much as you can
be used by the power structure. The only difference between
a slave of two hundred years ago and the slave
of today is the slave of today is well compensated,
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but he has no more power than his ancestor had
on the plantation two hundred.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Years So black people's money doesn't have power.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
No, Ricky Smiley and Steve Harvey, y'all only carried on
case y'all got paid to carry on. He may not
have taken no money, but that white platform on they damn.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Sure getting paid for kam Lardray.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You can't offer Steve Harvey ten thousand to do nothing.
Do you think that politicians have to give us anything
outside of promises to get us to vote for them.
Because when a young black boy gets out of the
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f d MG school, he's not guaranteed employment either.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yes he is through us.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Our graduates will get small business loans from the school itself.
We're gonna set them up now. If they want to
go to college, we will support that. I'm not saying
no child should go to college. You're gonna give every
kid a small business.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
That's our plan. How do you plan on getting that done?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
We have a plan for that. We got a nice plan.
Ye see, I got that die. It ain't it ain't.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's if I gains.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
No way for you to know whether or not I'm
going to deliver until they graduate in eight years. And
that's you already know whether Kamma are going to deliver
because she's been VP for four.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
And it ain't gating you.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Esh, that's true.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But if she's making promises on the campaign trail, you
also have no way to know if she's gonna deliver
until she's elected.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You are absolutely right, So what promise does she make
the black people so far on the campaign trail? When
Oprah sat here with all the white women you made
rich on that damn shelf, with all the doctor phils
and others who you promoted to national prominence, you couldn't
even give them enough money to fix up the station.
(02:22):
Oprah is the richest woman in the history of the
North American continent. God forbid if she go back to
her ancestors, and we hope that's no time soon, but
God forbid that woman go back to our ancestors haven't
done nothing significant for her race? Though, it don't make
sense because the entertainers are more controlled by the white
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power structure that you and I could ever be. Look
at what they make, Look how much they make, and
more important, look who they make it from. I lie
to you, not brother, and I say it to the
audience here in my Nashville family. If I had the
power to strip every black male and female student athlete
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of their god given skill, I would do it right
now because the money that they're making with their God
given and ancestral given talents are not benefiting us. Look
at all the snow bunnies who are getting rich off
these black men going to the league, so we don't benefit.
How has the NBA benefited Black America? How has the
(03:28):
NFL benefited Black America? How has hip hop culture we're
gonna get to them fitted Black America? It has not.
So if I were in charge, there would be a
moratorium on gangster rap.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
There would be a moratorialm when an.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
NFL, NBA and Olympics, ain't nobody playing until we get
our business back together.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I don't I don't think that.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I don't think that's a small move though, But you'll
do what you have to do not to lose your money.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Right, My money belonged to the people. I don't care
about no damn money me with that. Oh, I'm telling
you the truth. They can't control me with no money.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
They already not control you with money.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
But you're doing things not to lose the money the
same way lebron is.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
You're not just so. So you're telling me.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
That you're just wide open reckless.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
You don't care about the money.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I wouldn't say reckless, I would say revolutionary.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Do you think Oprah's done nothing?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Give me, give me something something significant. I mean, scholarships
don't count. Scholarship, bro, tell me about something.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Oh whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Hold on, hey, listen, we are recorded, so y'all please, man,
I know I told y'all.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
To be involved, but we are recorded.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Like, listen, So, so, Oprah, you're telling me that Oprah
has done nothing and scholarships mean nothing.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
While you're working on a school.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Okay, let me understand. Let you understand.
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Speaker 1 (06:52):
Can we get a quick update.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
On the school. Let's we salute get into this conversation today.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Frederick Douglass Marcus Scarvey Academy. When I get back home
to Philadelphia Monday, it looks like we're finally going to
get the steps power washed for the first time since
we've owned the school, so I'm looking forward to that.
I may also have a brother who's going to lay
down the floor in the school. Really, right now, we
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are at the stage of cosmetic surgery, and what I
mean by that is we got another layer of paint
for the walls. We have to cover up some of
the floor. Some will be tile, some will be carpet,
and really that's it. We got about four doors. We
got to switch out four doors. So I'm waiting on
the invoice from the door company, but floor indoors and
(07:44):
it's only a few internal doors, and be ready to
apply for our certificate occupancy. So we are really really
at the finish line. But we got to dot every
R and cross every T. I was told that the
school need to be absolutely one hundred percent moved in ready,
so I want to make sure everything's done, And to
be honest with you, bro, we probably got a week
(08:07):
worth of work left, but it's probably going to take
us longer than the week because you got to get
the right person.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
But I would be shocked.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I would be shocked if we're not applying for our
certificate of occupancy before the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Beautiful, do you.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
See yourself opening? What is the time frame from applying
for the certificate to open in the actual school?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
The question is how long does license and inspection take
to get out there and actually do their job. I
was told that it can take months, but I ran
into an inspector the other day he told me it
could be in a couple of days. So you know,
I guess the truth is somewhere in between that. Assuming
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we don't get hit with nothing, that's the biggest issue.
Will we get hit if we don't get hit with anything.
I'm looking for a grand opening celebration without donors in
black history, mind, you know what I mean, give us
January to prepare and roll it out.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
We might do.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
We might do what is black history on twenty eight days.
We might do twenty eight events in twenty eight days.
Because the other thing too loom. We got to test
the school to make sure everything that was fixed is working.
If y'all know what I mean, Let's flush these tallets,
let's use these things, you know, let's play with this heat,
let's play with this ac because you want to make
sure the school is workable before the children get in
(09:27):
there exactly, and we don't plan on bringing the children
till August. So we'll have about nine months to make
sure everything we paid for is in work in order.
Because mind you, everything's fixed, but we haven't used anything
because nobody's coming in there yet, you follow me, So
we need to, you know what I mean, shake some
dolls and tap on some window, you know what I mean,
and make sure everything we paid for is working. And
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so we'll have nine months to do that.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
That's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And you know that's an actual real thing, because you
can even have a home and not use the bathroom
that's on the other side of the house and the
pipe bust y'all a sudd We're like, oh, I ain't
even use this. Yes, that's definitely a beautiful thing. Do
you foresee that the government or the state will try
to give you some arrested development and getting into the.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I anticipate that my YouTube being struggle streaming as haters
are gonna lay some traps. The government, They're gonna lay
a few traps, but I think they depend on the
YouTube being struggle streamers to feed them. I think they
want them to feed them because that's what they normally do.
(10:34):
They feed them what they think I'm doing wrong, and
then the government kind of follows up with them. So
we're probably gonna get some stuff, you know. I anticipate,
you know, I don't know, some LGBT, some white, some
I don't know what it's going to be, whether it
with the applications, whether it's gonna be with uh.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Applications for work, for staff, for students.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Anticipate them nonsine, right, Yeah, but you know what I
told people when they asked me whether or not. You know,
LGBT students will be.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Allowed in the school.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
From where I stand, with my background in psychology, I
don't really see our children as LGBT.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I see them as being confused.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
So all I have to do is educate the boys
as boys and educate the girls as girls, and everything
else will work itself out.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
So will they be allowed. Sure, they will be allowed
because I don't see them as LGBT. That maybe how
they see themselves. But I believe we can correct any
of the indoctrination, any of the nonsense that has been
put into the minds of our children, because I believe
that when the Creator gave birth to African people as
the first people, you know, as the chosen people, we
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are designed to lean towards the truth.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
We don't always lean towards the truth, but we're designed
to lead towards the truth.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
And with our children.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Being the most innocent and most inexperienced sector of our community,
once we give them that raw, all unapologetically African centered culture,
that raw spiritual culture, that raw history, that raw Pan Africanism,
he ain't gonna want to be nothing other than a
boy and the young ladies. When we open up the
Girls Academy. They're not gonna want to be anything other
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than some beautiful young women.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
That's some beautiful thing she needs to fix.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Your sure, come on that point.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I'm sorry about this, you guys.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You know we gotta make sure the audio is always
top tier.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
That gonna help you out there. You can stay a
little longer though you kind of curve.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Shut up.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Five five.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
We know what you like too. Don't act like you
know a lot of time you like to run from
like man, you.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Know, let's talk about that first of all.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
What's up?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
You know last year I.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Had you here and I talked to you about beloved Sukiyana.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yes, and we had a communication.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
You say, you know, you know I meet.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
People where they are.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yes, I'm a man myself.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Your interaction with Suki Yanna, it lends me some information
that I want to try to ask you to clarify.
Is there anything that you are attracted to when it
comes to the beautiful Sukianna.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I'll tell you what attracts me to Sukihanna. She is
a completely different woman off the television set. When we
had dinner, that conversation was so pure, so innocent, so honest.
(14:00):
I almost forgot who I was having dinner with. So
what she does on television, although I don't condone it,
it's a persona behind all of that is a beautiful woman.
And I hope before it's too late that she turns
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the corner, because she has a lot to offer our
community if she can come back over to this side,
you know, that's my hope. I wanted to come back
over to this side. What does too late look like,
I don't know. But what I do know is in
the world of entertainment, when you start to get on
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the other side of forty, right, that's your golden years
in entertainment.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Black don't crack, as you know.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
But when our sisters good on the other side of forty,
when they're in the show business industry, that's when the
views and everything can begin to slow down, you know.
And I want her to make that shift before she
gets there. She got some time before she gets there,
but I want her to make the shift while she's
still on top, still commanding an audience. Do right, while
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you're still under the light. Do you think that.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Some of your audiences, I believe, is not as open
minded to that subject as you.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I agree very judgment right. In fact, the Black consciousness
community might be more judgmental than the Christian Church. The
Black conscious community might be more judgmental than the Islamic
mash Gen. They might be more judgmental than some of
our Hebrew Israelite brothers. We're very judgmental and we're quick
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to condemn in Black consciousness, which I think is one
of the misgivings of the culture because despite all the
knowledge and information we've given people on the flip side,
we're very quick to judge by appearances. So for example,
I want all Black women natural, right, and one day
every in here who not naturally gonna be natural. Okay,
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But I'm still gonna accept my sisters who not natural.
They not gonna get judged, They not gonna feel uncomfortable.
I'm not gonna run them out the room, because I
know there's no compulsion in consciousness. People come to consciousness
on their own terms. You cannot force it. I've had
sisters who I never thought would go natural bro who
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show up to me one day at an event and say,
doctor Umar, look, brothers who I never thought would stop
bunny hopping, and they show up one day, and they'll
show up one day with a black woman. Proud look, Doc,
I finally did. I'm like, I gave up on that brother.
I thought he was done. He shows up six years
later with a beautiful, dark skin chocolate queen. Right. So
(16:46):
I had to learn that we can't expect people to
change when we want them to change, let them come
in their own term. Look at el haij Maley Kelshiabaz
Malcolm X. He was raised in a Garvey family. His
father was a leader of the Garvey movement. In fact,
it was Malcolm's father who put pressure on President Calvin
Coolidge to exonerate Marcus Garvey. Malcolm's father did that, but
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after the father passed and the mother was institutionalized, Malcolm
went wayward for a long time.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
But did he end up back to consciousness.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yes, in the last year of his life he ended
right back with Garvey's Pan Africanism. You got to give
people time to make the mistakes that karma requires in
order for us to learn from our experiences.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yes, sir, that's a beautiful that's a beautiful thing. I
want to ask you about Steve Harvey. Yes, sir, uncle Steve,
there was after the Democratic National Convention. I believe he
came out in support of Kamala Harris. Yes, you pushed
(17:51):
back and said that you received a phone call or
some sort of message communication that they were willing to
give you some money to endorse Kamala.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Not to endorse, but to interview interview.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Okay, okay, And so did you verify because as posted
it after that, they denied it.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Well, no one from Kamala Harris's camp denied it.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
They didn't Lord Charlemagne Breakfast Club. I thought they said
that no one reached out. No, okay, no.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And the reason they can't because when you look at
the DNC and the RNC, they're so large. Yes, they
have offices, you understand, So that means you got to
check with every office to see if nobody reached out
the doctor Umar, To be honest with you, I thought
it was.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
A normal thing. I'm an influencer.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
He has the voice of young Black America, throwing fifteen
grand for the interview. But me being a political scientist,
I know that money was to soften the questions. I
know that money was to kind of show her in
a good light. And what I told them was, we
can do it, but it must be live. It cannot
(19:00):
be edited and it must be direct to the people.
They did hit me back a second or third time,
but then they kind of fell off after I made
those demands.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
I believe it was legitimate.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Do you have did you have a point of contact
or yeah, the phone's still on my phone?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeow, yeah it's still So you not posted it because
I wanted people to see, because you know me, anytime
I get anything underhand, I exposed it, just like people
from Who's the the Kennedy brother who's running as an independent, Robert.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
His team reached out a couple times.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
They reached out his last campaign, they reached out this campaign,
and he decided to endorse Trump. And I was kind
of disappointed because you came to me seeking support and
then you end up on Trump team. So you really
wasn't about what you claim to have been. That's why
the Honible Marcus Garvey he never allowed us to endorse politicians.
(19:53):
You feel me, we do the way either way, good
or bad, black or white, we do not endorse politicians.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
And the reason why brother Loon.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
If Loon is running for mayor of Nashville, doctor Umar
publicly endorses lom Loon ends up selling out the people
the damning of his reputation is automatically the damning of
my reputation. The quickest way for me to destroy the
respect and trust I have from our people is to
publicly support a candidate that the community does not finance.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Now, Steve Harvey response says, you can't pay Steve Harvey
ten thousand dollars to do nothing. Right, He vehemently denied
that he was offered money. Now, his endorsement, he says,
is pure. His questions, he said, will be softball, but
he didn't say he was paid for that.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Do you think do you think that.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Politicians have to give us anything outside of promises to
get us to vote for them, because okay.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
In fact, they don't even have to give us promises.
Because when it's the last presidential when who was the
last presidential candidate that promised black people anything? Black people
vote because we are shamed into voting. There's something called
ancestral shaming. You know what ancestral streaming is. If you
don't vote, you turning your back on Fanny lou Haima.
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If you don't vote, you turning your back on Correta
Scott King. If you don't vote, you turning your back
on Mega evers.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
If you don't.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Vote, you turning your back on doctor King and all
them ancestors who struggled and died and went to jail. No, Ninja,
We're not turning our back on our ancestors.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
We're turning our back on a.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Party that has consistently and repeatedly ignored the issues that
affect black people. They do a lot of ancestral shaming.
But what they don't tell you is how the Democratic
Party undermined Fanny Lou Haima at the nineteen sixty eight convention.
What they don't tell you is how President Linda Baines
Johnson tapped the phones in the hotel where all the
Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party members who can ain't with Fannylou
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at Atlantic City where they stayed, that he had the
FBI spying on them so they can know everything that
they were strategizing, so they can undermine them. Nobody tells
you how the Democratic Party treated Fanny Lou. They kept
mentioning her name at the DNC as if they upheld
her in her day.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
No, they didn't.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
They treated that woman like she was less than dirt,
and they got the nerve to use that ancestors name
to try to make it look like the Democratic Party
is the party of blacks. Here's my thing to Uncle Steve.
And I like Steve Harvey. E bougie, coolish, but I
like him. Okay, when Steve said he wasn't paid, I
believe him. But you know what, he didn't say that
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his network did not receive compensation. You're not gonna tell
me that the Steve Harvey Show, or the D. L.
Hugley Show, or the Ricky Smiley Show sits on a
white platform. And these white folks who are all about money,
knowing Kamala raised thirty million in one night us with
black folks, and you're going to sit up here and
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endorse this woman freely all through your show. And you
think though white folks ain't calling her campaign office saying
y'all owe us some money. He may not have taken
no money, but that white platform. Me on, they damn
sure getting paid for Kamala.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Harrison, right.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And you know I like Steve as well. You know
I've been around him a few times, had conversations with him.
But there is a historical context, you know what I'm
saying that we have to examine when it comes to Democrats,
any of them and our people. But I also think
that when Steve Harvey, because you got to remember twenty seventeen,
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he went in Holladay Trump, Yes he did, and I
think we gave him a lot of backlash about that.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And we shouldn't have Yeah, because you should meet with
both sides because neither are your friend. See when black
people in DL Hugley in particular, shamed Steve Harvey for
meeting for Trump in seventeen, I took issue with that.
I said, you're supposed to meet with both parties and
see what you're going to get. But black people have
this loving relationship with the Democratic Party. You're so in
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love with this side who's never done nothing for you,
that you won't even have a conversation with the other side.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Who else does that?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
What other ethnic group in America is married to one
party or the other? Are there Asians married to one
party or the other? Are the Latinos married to one
party or the other? Are the a Rabs married to
one party or the other? Absolutely not? So why should
black people be married to one party.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Or the other.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
And mind you, we've been voting Democrat, y'all for eighty
eight years consistently, Not no thirty some people say for
the last thirty. No, this goes back to the nineteen
thirty six election Franklin Delano Roosevelt. In fact, even though
Roosevelt lost the nineteen thirty two election, that was the
first big shift we saw of black people away from
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the Republican Party towards the Democratic Party. That was the
election of thirty two. That was the election of thirty two.
But in thirty six, that's when black folks have consistently
and continuously switched from Republican to Democrat. So this is
an eighty eight year phenomenon. You understand me, almost a century?
What have we gotten for being so loyal for one party?
And let us be clear, the Democrats in the Republicans
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have the same vision for Black America extermination. The only
thing they differ on is strategy and tactic. I need
us to understand that strategy and tactic, the vision is
the same. The only thing they differ on how do we.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Get I mean, what should we ask for people like
Steve Harvey? What should they be getting for Kamala Harris endorsement?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Honestly, because most of our celebrities are controlled in finance
through the white power structure. The best thing they could
probably do for me is shut up and sit down.
I don't want them as spokespersons. You're not not How
was your bold enough to represent us? You're not loyal
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and passionate enough to articulate our concession.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
But don't we need them to activate voters? I mean,
don't we need involvement in the political process.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Look at all the grassroots activists we have in Tennessee,
from Memphis, the Chattanooga to Nashville. Why would you need
a celebrity from now? Why would you need Eddie George
hypothetically hit a coach of TSU who I respect.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I'm just using them as an example.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Why would you need Eddie George to be the voice
of black people in Tennessee where you have all these
grassroots activists? You know why you would want a celebrity
because if I use a grassroots activist who has nothing
to lose, they're going to tell nothing but the truth.
I don't want that conversation because I don't plan to
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do nothing for black people. So when I want to
hear about the black reality, I want someone who's so comfortable,
so well paid, so well placed, so well celebrated, that
he wouldn't dare say the wrong thing because he can't
afford to lose his status. The reason the celebrities are
the new black bourgeois is we no longer have college
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educated bourgeoise who we lean on. There's no more Andrew Young's,
there's no more Tavis Smiley's. Cornell West don't have the
same shine anymore. So with the twenty first century loan
with the turn of the century, y two K that
switched the black bourgeois from being your black professionals, your
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n DOUBACP presidents, your fraternity and sorority leaders that went
to the wayside. Why because black youth don't listen to
them the way their parents did. Nobody thirty years old
gives a damn about what Cornell West thinks or the
president of the NAACP thinks. And I love Cornell West,
don't get me wrong. He is a sand bunny hopper,
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but that's another time, okay. But nonetheless they don't care.
So we want to control the youth. We got to
control them through the people they listen to. But I
think that makes sense, though it don't make sense because
the entertainers are more controlled by the white power structure
that you and I could ever be. Look at what
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they make, Look how much they make, and more important,
look who they make it from. When I saw Lebron
James go public when Israel invaded Gaza and Lebron James
issue the statement and he said that I stand with Israel. Now,
you're supposed to be an activist, Lebron James, and I
respect you him and Bronnie. I love seeing them on
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the court together. I love that father son situation as
long as I don't catch Bronni bunny hop it. But nonetheless, Lebron,
how can you, as a black man, with all we've
been through, all we've been through, how could you dare
go public and stand with Israel in their genocide against
the policy a people. Lebron James was wrong for that,
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but he had no choice because his dealings with that
community financially dictated that he's staying with Israel.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Man, that's you believe that, I know it.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
So you think you think that Lebron is controlled all
of them?
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Who ain't?
Speaker 1 (29:19):
The question ain't who is? The question is who isn't controlled?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Do you think there's enough that you get enough money, power,
well finances, or resources to to break free.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Who do you think made Lebron James a billionaire last year?
Thank you? The untouchables be untouched?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yes, yeah, but we're gonna get to dinny yah. Hold on,
we're gonna get to dinner.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
But so so, but so you think that there's no
way to break.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Free if you're willing to lose everything that you got.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So you saying that you can't keep your power in
your money and be free.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Not if you made it through them. Lebron didn't become
a billionaire through the Nigro leagues, you understand. He became
a billionaire through the NBA, who has what the largest percentage.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Of untouchables as team owners.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
They own the NBA, and therefore they own him.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
I don't know, Doc, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
This is the reality we're living in.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Brother.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
It is not the hard argument.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Listen, listen. Under slavery, the black man was a commodity
to be owned and traded. So while we're value, let
me finish there. Our value was contingent on how much
we could physically produce for the plantation. When you look
at the NFL, when you look at the NBA, when
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you look at our Olympic athletes, I'll ask you the question,
has there been any chance or modification in the way
the power structure judges the value of a black man's life?
Are we still not judge for how much we can
output physically? The basketball player, the football player, the Olympic
track star. You're only worth as much as you can
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be used by the power structure. The only difference between
a slave of two hundred years ago and the slave
of today is the slave of today is well compensated,
but he has no more power than his ancestor had
on the plantation two hundred years.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
So black people's money doesn't have power.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
No, it can be converted into power, but no celebrity
is going to risk doing that.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
See here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
When you hear about a celebrity getting an endorsement deal
from a Caucasian company, that endorsement deal is a slave shackle.
It binds your mouth shut to the things that matter
to your people. When you hear these rappers, I got
an endorsement deal over here and endorsement deal over here.
That's why I respect Jalen Brown of the Boston Celtics.
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He wouldn't take it he came out with his own sneaker.
I believe Kyrie now has his own sneaker. Nike cut him,
he said, don't come back to me after the drama.
Keep the same energy. I'm going to go in this
direction because the more you represent brands that are not
sensitive to the black agenda is the further away you
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are from being loyal to the community.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
So what is the money for.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Are you free?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yes, because I have no attachments at all to the
white power structure, brown power structure, yellow power structure, red
power structure, gave power structure.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I'm completely free.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
When your school gets open, it has attachment to the government.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
No, sir, because we don't have the file up.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
But you have to file to even be operating through
the state, correct.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
So you have to stay in compliance legally. That's not
the same as being provided.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
For Nah nah, I'm not telling let me handle this please,
surely not being but right. But what I'm saying, though,
is is that you still have to operate in that
system that you're saying black people can't.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Because we live in the country. It's no getting out.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Of that following right here we go now, but here
you go following rules. Loom is it the same as
being subsidized by Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
But but but getting money through that power structure comes
with rules that you must follow.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I'm not getting no money through the power, but.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
You're still following rules.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
So ifn right, So if Lebron's following rules, you're following.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Ron is financed right by Caucasian.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
So that's why he's following rules. Yeah, I'm dealing with
the action. Both of you guys are following rules, okay
in this In this scenario absolutely.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
The difference is I'm following procedural guidelines in order to
operate legally, the same as anybody else in the societ.
Lebron James has been financed at a level greater than
most people in the society. Therefore, his freedom of action
is restricted. Subsidy is not the same as obedience to law.
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He subsidized.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, but I don't know if that suspends it, because
it's completely different.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Doing what you gotta do so you don't go to
jail is completely different from doing what you gotta do
so you don't lose your money.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
But you'll do what you have to do not to
lose your money. Right, my money belonged to the people.
I don't care about No, Damney, don't hit me with
that shit again.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Umar, No, I'm.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Telling you the truth. They can't control me with no money.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
They already not control you with money.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
But you're doing things not to lose the money the
same way lebron is. Just so you're telling me that
you're just wide open reckless, you don't care about the money.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I wouldn't say reckless, I would say revolutionary. Well, that
makes sense, but I still don't believe.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I mean, I'm wondering what does that say to the
young black boy like that wants to utilize the NBA
or utilize some of those systems to gain financial freedom and.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Try to break free.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
You're basically telling the young black boy that there's no
way to break free.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I lie to you, not, brother, and I say it
to the audience here in my Nashville family. If I
had the power to strip every black male and female
student athlete of their God given skill, I would do
it right now because the money that they're making with
their God given and ancestral given talents are not benefiting us.
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Look at all the snow bunnies who are getting rich
off these black men going to the league. So we
don't benefit. How has the NBA benefited Black America? How
has the NFL benefited Black America? How has hip hop culture?
We're gonna get to the infitted Black America up. It
has not. So if I were in charge, there would
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be a moratorium on gangster rap. There would be a
moratorial when an NFL, NBA and Olympics. Ain't nobody playing
shit until we get our business back together. I don't.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I don't think that.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I don't think that's a small move though, I just
to strip every black boy of that.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
God, do you know?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Do you know what people are gaining by going to
certain Ivy League colleges with scholarships and then getting.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Hurt before they get to the league.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
You're giving me individualism. We're talking about group.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Probably enough enough single people will make a group, though
uh huh.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
They will make a group of talented tip bourgeois elitist ninjas.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
We don't want that.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
We want a progressive Black community. And you don't judge
the condition of a people by ten nigros at the
top who take orders from Caucasians.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
It's people with more money than you, bougie.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Do you think that because I know you want who
wasn't Attorney O. J. Simpson's atten Ernie Johnny Cochran was
a man of financial means who was loyal to his people.
And you've had others throughout time. You understand, but you
don't have it.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
But when you throw around bourgeois and all this here,
I need to not criteria.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I'm not speaking purely of income. I'm talking about income
and consciousness. I make this money and I do not
consider myself loyal to nor do I have any obligation
to the best interests of black people.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
That is a bouge wise. How do you be loyal
to black people? A millionaire? Give them, give them the game.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
By a millionaire, you should be building an institution if you.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Are a millier, so nobody's loyal. You're the only one
that got to build an institution that I know.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Then guess what.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
See this is what I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
How the hell do you be able to set the
standards like that to say when nobody's.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Loyal because they ain't doing what I meant.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I didn't tell you this, so okay.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
What I'm saying is for me as a pan Africanist,
as a Black activist, as a follower of the teachings
of the most Honorable Marcus Messiah Gorvey. Our standard is
high for our people, why because our ancestors standard was
high for themselves. Look At what Thaniel Luhima had to
go through for you and I to be on this stage.
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Look At what a Frederick Douglass and a Market's gonna be.
Look at a Mega Evers and the Huey P.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Newton.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Look at what they had to go through for us
to even be sitting here having this conversation in Nashville,
Tennessee of all places. Who am I to say that
I am not required to put forth the same level
of commitment as those who shoulders I stand on. I'm
not giving you a new level of obligation. I'm bringing
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back the old level of obliging. Is this institution thing?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Like?
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Is this a real idea?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Like?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Is this something that can be materialized?
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Don't Chinese have self sustaining institutions?
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Don't you not? In America?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
You find a China town in almost every major city,
especially I'm.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Talking about I'm talking about the school inside of.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
It, same thing.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
They have their own school. Yes, Okay, you see.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
What I'm saying. Where is ours? Check it out?
Speaker 3 (39:14):
You can't show me a black wall street in America.
You can't show me.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Once they Burnda down, then.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
One hundred and four years ago.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Why we ain't built the new one yet. You can't
show me one city where we own the home, excuse me,
the bank, the school, the hospital, in the supermarket.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
And you know what's sad. Look at all these billionaires
we got.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Even with billionaires, we don't have no industries for the community.
Look at my sister Oprah. And I loved my sister open.
She came from nothing, from here, fromsues, and.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Look what she became.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
But don't you know, when I visited Tennessee State, maybe
two visits ago, I was interviewed at the station where
Oprah made her name. And I'm sitting there and I
couldn't help but say to myself, this station still it
looks like what it probably looked like when Oprah sat here,
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with all the white women you made rich on that
damn show, with all the doctor phils and others who
you promoted to national prominence, You couldn't even give them
enough money to fix up the station. Oprah is the
richest woman in the history of the North American continent.
God forbid, if she go back to her ancestors, and
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we hope that's no time soon. But God forbid that
woman go back to our ancestors. Haven't done nothing significant.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
For her race?
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Do you think Oprah's done nothing?
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Give me, give me something significant.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Scholarships don't countship, Tell me about something.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Oh, whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. Hold on, hey, listen,
we are recorded, so y'all, please, man, I know I
told y'all to be involved, but we are recorded, like listen,
So so Oprah, you telling me that Oprah has done
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nothing and scholarships mean nothing.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
While you're working on a school.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Okay, let me understand that.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
I'm gonna let you understand. Oprah built a grade school
in South Africa. I love that. Those are my brothers
and sisters.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
But as Pan Africanists, we believe you struggle at home
and you struggle abroad. You gave our South African family
a school they needed that. I love South Africa, but
where is the one for the students in Nashville? You see,
that's my issue with Oprah.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
But you didn't answer the question, and that was a
good point.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Down to the scholarships.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
Yes, grade.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
School is mandatory. It's obligatory in all fifty states. It's
no getting around it. College is optional. The reason why
I don't want Oprah and other rich blacks trying to
get away with giving out scholarships and doing nothing else.
When you give a scholarship, you're giving money to either
a white institution and in many cases a white controlled
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black institution, and when that child dull graduates, there's no
guarantee of employment. When you look at the cost of
college right now, what is TSU a year in tuition?
Now twenty five So that's one hundred thousand dollars tuition,
not including room boarding the rest. Okay, what would be
better serving our children when we know more than half
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of blacks with college degrees can't find work, and most
of them don't work in the industry they receive their
degree in. Would we be better served with OPRAH giving
up one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for education or
OPRAH giving up one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for
a business startup grant. That money should be going into
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business startup grants. In other words, go get your real
estate license. I'm gonna set you up with your first
office and your first business. Go get your plumbing. You're electric,
you understand. Go get your stocking investment, get your trade certificate,
and I'm gonna set you up with your startup business.
They should be financing entreprene newership, not education. The future
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for Black America is not white man degrees. It is
businesses that we run and can employ our own. Small
businesses are the backbone of the American economy. And if
they are the backbone of the American economy, they the
neck bone, chicken bone and with bone of the black community.
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
With you again, I still haven't I want to stay
on on this point. When a young black boy gets
out of FDMG school, he's not guaranteed employment either, Yes.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
He is.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Through us.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Our graduates will get small business loans from the school itself.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
We're gonna set them up.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Now. If they want to go to college, we will
support that. I'm not saying no child should go to college.
You're going to give every kid a small business.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
That's our plan.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
That's absolutely How do you plan on getting that done?
Speaker 3 (43:52):
We have a plan for that. We got a nice plan.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yes see, no, no, no, no, no, no, I got
that down, and I got some celebrity friends. I ain't
calling them names, yeah yeah, yeah, but I got some
multi millionaire celebrity friends who all know who said when
I need them, they're going to be there for me
after the school opens. They want to see the school open.
So I'm going to pick up the phone and reach
out and tap on some of them brothers, because that's
gonna be a hard thing.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I mean, I guess for me, it's the same thing
you're asking Steve Harvey to do with Kamala. You're asking
him to say, Hey, what do we get, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (44:24):
What are you doing for black people?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I'm asking you that, Hey, if a black boy goes
to your school, he's not guaranteed work.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
You gotta answer for that.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Well, he's not guaranteed work, but we have business loans,
and so at some point I do want to get
into that. Maybe not now, whenever you iron out those dps.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
But you can't confuse us providing our graduates with a
business startup grant with an elective representative wanting votes without
giving anything in exchange.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
What they're give me the same promises that you get.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
No, it's completely different because one's job is to represent
the needs of the people. You understand, our job is
to educate our children, and as part of that education,
we're gonna provide them with those business startups when they graduate.
We're not obligated to do it. She's obligated to represent
the people. Yes, but two different things right. One is
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an individ You just told me you were obligated.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Though you said you just told me my an What
don't matter why you obligated?
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yes, it does. No help y'all does listen because I
get arrested.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
It don't matter. We both get arrested.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
We both all arrested, all right, So listen, help me understand.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
If you're the roll behind your backs all Skywalker here,
you're gonna hollow you to Moses Malone, heay, Moses Malone
gonna go to do it a step past and Beyonce.
Beyonce gonna do a double dip back dunk to Michael Jackson.
He's gonna roll it over to Garth Brooks. Garth Brook's
gonna take it to Lord of the Rings. Lord of
the Ring's gonna take So help me listen, understand.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
No, no, no, help me understand. Let's bring it back.
Help me understand. You're giving promises. Kamala is giving.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Promises children who graduate from the School's completely different from
being a president of the United States of a meland.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
You keep giving me job titles. I'm talking about intentions.
I don't care about job titles. You're telling me that.
You just told me five minutes ago. I have a
certain Barama because of my ancestors. I'm obligated to stand
out on the hill and get these institutions done.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
You just told me that.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Then the next time, next sentence, you just told me, Well,
I'm obligated for a different reason. I'm not obligated because
in the same way that Steve.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Harvey is our students. Right, we're starting with second through
fourth grade. We won't have a graduating class for twelve years.
Kamala Harris wants your vote in about four weeks. What
the hell we talking about?
Speaker 2 (46:47):
It's still promises though it ain't.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
It ain't.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
It's my point, I just if I gains no way
for you to know whether or not I'm going to
deliver until they graduate in eight years, and that's you
already know whether Kamala going to deliver because she's been
VP for four and it ain't gating you ish, that's true, But.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
If she's making promises on the campaign trail, you also
have no way to know if she's going to deliver
until she's elected.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
You are absolutely right, So what promise does she make
the black people so far on the campaign trail?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
You're right, she hasn't made one that I've seen, and
I could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
She don't go and make one.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
So but you're saying she hasn't made one, and so
my knowledge you heard something.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
I haven't heard anything. Kamala's mistake is she tried to
use the Baraco Obama racial identity strategy.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Problem is the people who.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Are sixteen when Obama became president, they thirty one thirty
two now and ain't not as gullible as their parents
and grandparents. They want more than your color of skin
as a reason to vote. See this whole issue about
Kamala being East Indian and not African would not even
be an issue, Loom if she didn't with racial identity
(48:02):
as their primary reason for why you should vote for her.
See when Steve Harvey kept saying she's a black woman,
why y'all don't want to see a black woman win?
Speaker 3 (48:10):
When d L and Ricky and Roland.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
When all them negro starts saying, y'all should want to
see a black woman in office, and that's the only
thing y'all giving us is the color of her skin. Naturally,
people gonna say, well, time out, because I've seen her mom.
That lady clearly ain't black. When I look at the dad,
he looked a little coolish. So let's dig into this
a little bit. In other words, black people would have
never even dug into our ancestry, bro, and she would
(48:34):
have gave us.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Something other to look forward to.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Donald Trump never said he was black. Joe Biden never
said he was black. Bill Clinton never said he was black.
You understand. So why introduced this if you know it's
not authentic. You know why she introduced it because she
had no intention of leading with policies.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
I also heard you in that same time goal kind
of respond to Riky Smiley, and Ricky Smiley actually went
on here show and cried. He actually shed some tears.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Because Joe Biden wrote him a personal letter. I believe
in one of his sons was ill. Okay, and see,
here's another mistake we make as African people. A white
person does something good for you, just you. And because
the white person did something good just for you, you
think that means every black person has to sympathize with
(49:27):
this Caucasian because they did something good for you. Your
relationship with Joe Biden is your relationship with Joe Biden.
It doesn't obligate the other forty five million blacks in
America to be Joe Biden sympathizes. We got to stop
that nonsense. That's your white folks don't do that. White
folks will do something for one black person and guess what,
(49:50):
or that black person would do something good for that
one white person, and guess what. That white person has
no intention of telling any other white person that you
have to do right by this black are y'all following?
How many times have you done something to look out
for a white coworker and they never reciprocated, They never
told other white folks to take your back.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
They don't give a damn.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
We're the only ones running around crying for slave masters
who don't cry for us.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Do you? You said that him crowd was all time load?
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Yes, because.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Why is a black man crying over a white president
and an East Indian vice president? And he tells us.
Don't y'all want to see a member of Alpha Kappa
Alpha Sorority Incorporated and Vice President Harris gets sworn in
by a member of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority Incorporated, Supreme
(50:46):
Court Justice Katanji Brown, And I'm saying to myself, ain't
they both bunny Hoppius? I love the Aka's Lord knows,
I love some five to five thicking the thigh deltas.
For what the hell they got to do with power
to see for Black Americas.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
I didn't like that. I'm I did not like that.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
On the day, Doctor King, a member of the Alpha
Phi Alpha, I bet you doctor King was in his grave,
said yeah, I didn't like that. I love the Divine Nine,
but don't feed us a symbol. And to that point,
I gotta throw this at the Divine nine. Y'all raised
(51:31):
thirty million dollars in one night, and all of them
come from black communities, without a single decent school, without
a single decent hospital, without a single bank that will
invest in our businesses, without a single decent place for
(51:52):
our mothers to get food to feed their children. Look
at what we did just for her to run, Just
for her to run. You don't get the money back.
Thirty million in a night. That's at least five schools
right there. So we got the money, we just don't
care enough to invest in the future of our children.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Did you ever were you ever gonna join?
Speaker 1 (52:14):
I was gonna join Omegasi Phi Fraternity Incorporated Harrisburg Grad
Chapter because we didn't have no cues at Millersville University
in Lancaster, and somebody hated on me and sent my
information to the wrong address. So when I showed up
for the first night, mad Dog from Temple University told
(52:35):
me since I didn't have on a shirt and a tie,
I couldn't come in. And it wasn't meant. It wasn't meant,
did you?
Speaker 2 (52:42):
I mean, what's your feeling about fraternities?
Speaker 1 (52:44):
And everything's neutral, it's how you use it. Doctor King
was out for fay Alfha, Doctor Colin f du Muhammad
was on Megasi five major doctor Martin Robinson Delaney grandfather
Pan Africanism.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
He was amazing.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Prince Hall another Pan African is he was Amazon. So
it's all neutral, it's what you do with it. In
other words, at TSU, the fraternities might actually be in
sororities might actually be into community service. They might actually
be into stop the violence. They might actually be into
growing black businesses. I might go down the road to
fist and it might just be a party happy situation.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
It all depends where you are.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
The fraternities and sororities are too diverse to judge an
entire organization because there's just too much variety amongst them.
I speak in colleges all the time. I'm impressed with
some of the stuff that they're doing at certain places
and other places. I'm like, they need to shut this
chapter down because all y'all want to do is hayes
people gets drunk and party march at the parties, you
(53:45):
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
So it really all depends on the chapel.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
In essence, I support them because many of our ancestors.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Came through those channels and they used it for good.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
But see, here's Dell, this is where I want to go.
I want to take the conversation to a different spot
because you're sounding like you're passion and you care about fraternities.
But I did see that you've been having this conversation
about hip hop and it's where it has not did
anything in fifty years.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
So are you considering hip hop a fraternity?
Speaker 2 (54:20):
I'm considering hip hop. Well, I won't explore I won't
explore this conversation. I won't explore the fraternity and hip
hop because.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
If they are a fraternity, who are their founders and
who do they pay dues to?
Speaker 2 (54:36):
Well, you know, see, here we go, This is where
it gets interested
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