Dr Umar Johnson (RETURNS) Breaks Silence on Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, Andrew Shultz & Flagrant, Ryan Clark, Rg3,Shannon Sharpe , Piers Morgan & His Return to The Joe Budden Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo, yo, yo yo. Welcome to It's Up There Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
I am your active and attractive hosts for another episode
of the fastest growing podcasts in the market. Right now,
I do want to salute to each and every person
that has clicked this video. We have one of my
favorite people in the world back on this up There podcast.
We are in high here in season two and we

(00:24):
have my friend, my partner, doctor Umar Johnson.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
How are you, my brother some in Pan Africanism.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Glad to be back in Nashville on Its Up There podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Good to see you, my brother man.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I got a lot of love for you, and you know,
always always position that first right because no matter our
conversations is to learn it's for people to actually grab
something from it, and a lot of the people enjoy it.
I do see some of your fan base, which you
have a rather large fan base, some of.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Them don't understand our dynamic.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
They don't understand that sometimes I give you room to
clarify position you know what I'm saying, and I try
to push a little more for the peopure is necessary exactly,
and so I just want to set that standard before
we even move forward, that it's a lot of respect
in this room between us and what we do here
is for our people to actually get something from conversations

(01:15):
rather than just sit down and have this powerwow and
no one actually deposits anything or withdraws anything.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
So I want to set that standard. First, how have
you been up. I've been well, my brother, I've been
well since the last time we connected. What has been
going on well with regard to Frederick Douglas Marcus Govey.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Brother, we down to the doors and the floors. That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Once we get that done, we'll be applying for certificate
occupancy by the doors. What I mean by that is
when we took over the building, we got everything rekeyed,
but I didn't get the classrooms rekey.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
So I'm working with a black locksmith.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
He got to rekey every class you know, give me
three copies mass the key, custodian key. I'm waiting on
him now, so once he gives me an estimate of
what this is going to cost. The doors. The other
thing is the floors. So we had there's sixteen rooms
in the school. There's more than sixteen, but we have
sixteen that we got to either tie or carpet because

(02:20):
we had twelve of them that had rugs in them,
we had to take them out because you know, they
was old and funky. While the building sat right so
it's concrete, you got to cover that up.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
So we got about twelve that got to be covered.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
The other four I want them to match the other rooms,
so it's going to be sixteen. We did get to
estimates from two commercial companies, pretty expensive, you know what
I mean. They wanted about sixty g's to do them
sixteen floors, and I'm like ouch. So I'm trying to
see if I can work with some of my brothers,
and as you know, we haven't had the best of

(02:50):
luck with our brothers. But miraculously, coincidentally, one of the
brothers out of Chester, PA contractor, he reached out. He
does business in Delaware. He said, let me come see
the floors. I might be able to beat the price.
So when I get back to Philly, hopefully, if he
can beat that price, we on. Because to be honest

(03:12):
with you, Loan, we've been done for about a year.
When we painted the school last year, the only thing
that needed to be done was the floors, but the
paint wasn't perfect. So in me trying to get the
paint job done perfect. We wasted a whole year. You
follow what I'm saying. So now I'm like, forget it.
Let's get everything done and if I need to go

(03:33):
back and touch up on the paint, we do it later.
But I can't keep letting years go by, because, as
you know, when you do this kind of work, time fly.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeahel you noticed that interview next thing? You know? Six months?

Speaker 3 (03:45):
What? Yeah, I would say the one downside of speaking
and traveling and interviewing, your life speeds up twenty four
all a blur, Yeah, the life.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
I'm like, the year's over.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yes, So you know I learned that you got to
keep your foot on the gas because if you don't
fire another five years ago by, we still not open,
you feel me? So we've been done except floora's doors
and paint for yet.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
So technically this should have got done last year, but
I'm not going to complain.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
All things in divine toim in facts?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Do you feel as though you still have the same desires?
The fire still burning? The fire still burn.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Sometime the fire go dim, right, you get discouraged, you know,
but something always happens to bring you back. You know,
I'm very heavy into my spirituality, so I do a
lot of solitude. You know, in fact, when people ask
me about romantic relationships, a big reason why I'm not
in one is and our sisters are good people, right,

(04:51):
but when you are on a political mission that has
a spiritual foundation, sometimes women can adjust their life style
of yours. And so when you come off the road
and you need a couple of days to just get
back and sync with yourself, they want you to be
wrapped up into them.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I can't do that right now. I got to get
myself right again.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
And so when I'm learning on the romantic side that
when you date a sister, when you have a spiritual
calling on my life, because although my work is political,
it's spiritually based. You got to make sure you have
a woman who can accommodate your mission, because a lot
of women want to take you from your mission and
put all of your attention on her. And don't get
me wrong, you have needs and you have a right

(05:33):
to those needs. But at the same time, you got
to temper some of that because of who you win.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
You see what I'm.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Saying, I'm not the rapper, I'm not the actor, I'm
not the comedian. I'm not the dancer. You know, I'm
not the entertainer. I'm an activist. You're forgetting that, yes,
you know what I mean. And so sometimes women can
drain you even more.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Exactly, and it becomes more of a detriment to the
balls than an addition to them.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
And that's why the honor.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
But Marcus Gorvey said, as much as I loved my wife,
being married was a detriment to my work exactly because
you got to constantly appease the queen. Yes and understanding,
she got needs. But this is about the race, This
is about the people. And if I got to constantly
keep debating with you, pleading with you, explaining to you

(06:24):
that you clearly don't respect my mission. And as I
listen to a lot of you know, spiritual work and
read a lot of spiritual work, they talk about how
you got to make sure you equally yoked because that partner,
that relationship, even though she don't mean no harm, she
don't mean no harm, but that relationship will drain you
of your purpose. And that's why a lot of great

(06:44):
men they went at its.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
A loon like me.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
And see right now, me and you speaking of it
is like it's and it gets harder. And I'm gonna
tell you something.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I greatly undervalued the ability to find a partner on
this level. Before I got to this level, I would
assured you that.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Our boy to be boy, what is it? Peas and beautiful.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Cover girl or seid shit like man, we get money,
we successful, We read, and we up earth.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
We taking care of children. It's business being took care of.
But as you get further and further, you see, oh,
this is deeper than just a bed mate. It's a
soul mate.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Soul mate.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
It's deeper than that. It's sober than that. And so man,
I definitely understand that. Let me ask you this, how
long have you been on the road chasing this thing?

Speaker 3 (07:33):
WHOA I'm going to say, I've always been into activism
since elementary school. You know, blackshitt and Union president graduated,
Garvey Movement, You and I a Philly. But if you
sow the activism been there throughout life. But if you
say on the national and international level, that would be
since twenty ten, that would be with the Chicago interview

(07:57):
September eighteenth, twenty ten and the Horror Lecture October thirty
of twenty ten. And about forty eight hours after the
Harlem lecture, bro, my phone started ringing and it ain't
stopped in fifteen minutes.

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I remember, Yeah, what's up on it?

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What for people who don't know a getting this grind?
And you know what you've been doing? What receipts does
that leave on a man's body?

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Right?

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Just moving that long, doing this mission on this goal,
and you gotta constantly taking information to be updated as
you are voice to our people.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yes, what receipts does that leave on a man?

Speaker 3 (11:05):
I would say the biggest cost is in the spiritual
weight you got to carry. The biggest cost is in
the lack of time you have to invest in the
relationships you have, not romantic but just family, yes, social,
you know, community, Yes, you're not there the way you

(11:26):
want to be there, you know. And again I look
at some of our great ancestors. Of course, brother Malcolm,
we just celebrated his one hundredth on Monday. You know what,
how many days ago? Four days ago Malcolm turned one
hundred May nineteenth, nineteen twenty five, Okay, And then next month,
god willing, I'll be going to the Democratic Republic of

(11:47):
the Congo for the first time to celebrate the one
hundredth birthday of Patries Lamumba, who was the first democratically
elected Prime Minister of Congo.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
And as you know, President Dwight D.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Eisenhower of the the US government ordered his assassination and
they cut his body up into little tiny pieces like
a cake bro and dissolved him in an acid. The
only thing that remained was a tooth that his family
just got back after more than fifty years.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yes, sir, when was this?

Speaker 3 (12:14):
This was he was assassinated January seventeenth, nineteen sixty one. Whoa.
And it took out Malcolm for in fact, Malcolm often
spoke of Lamomba. And I believe Malcolm's black glasses, the
what we want to call them, the patent Malcolm X glasses,
those were actually PATRICEA. Lamuma glasses, not that pair. But
Malcolm wore the same, yes, yes, and I think he

(12:36):
got it from him. I never heard him say that,
but he wore the same glasses as like a nod.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
And he kind of was the Patrice Lamoon Bright of Blackham. Right.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Also, brother, please don't record this whole thing, because of
course you got to go to our heart.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Exclusivity is to our heart.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
So we're going to get into some of the our
heart stuff too, because they reached to Candice and for
some reason.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
We'll get to that the second.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
So on your journey, you basically have to bury your
relationships to keep the fire burning for the mission.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
I wouldn't say bury, but I would say you are
not able to. I guess the best language to use
is invest in them the way that you want so
they're still there, and when you have your free time,
that's when you double down on that time.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Right.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
But the bottom line is when you do this kind
of a work, when you're serving the people, your universe,
your satellites, they have to also appreciate your mission. Otherwise
you become a hindrance to them. In other words, if
you don't appreciate the mission, then it's best that we

(13:50):
really don't seek to keep this relationship going as strong
as it is, because you're going to see me as
nothing more than a hindrance. Same thing romantically, because you
don't appreciate what I'm doing. See if a woman appreciates
what you're doing, she can wait but outside of you, right,
so she can appreciate what I do when it pertains
to her. You have to now appreciate what I do

(14:13):
when it pertains to the mission. Absolutely, I know he's
serving my people. Yes, So however long it takes, I'll
be here. I'll give you someone who I thought embodied
this perfectly. And all the wives were great, the Anna Douglas,
the Amy Goald he's the better Shabazz, the Corredit Scotts.
But you know who I felt really embodied the activist

(14:33):
leader wife Winnie Mandel. When Nelson met Winnie rest in
Paradise to both of them, where he tried to explain
to her, she like, already got this.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
I know what this is about. I was ready for
the end. Was you understand?

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Because she was about it too, And when he got
locked up, she kept the movement going. Most activists you
get locked up, mission dies with you. Oh she ain't
you feel me?

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (14:59):
She was only there because you was popular, which has
been a big problem I've run into. I want to
ask you, how do you shift through the women? You
can tell, you can tell if the women are there
for the mission energy. You could just tell the way
they speak, the way they talk about your work. The
best way to find out is to listen to the jokes,

(15:21):
the things they say inadvertently, Oh, you off running to
serve the people again. You know, anything sarcastic that lets
me know you don't value what I do. And that's
not good because if you and I ever got together,
if we produce the child out of it, if I
go to jail, if my life is taken prematurely, God forbid,
you will not raise my baby in this And when

(15:42):
you look at most children of most of our leaders,
not all of them, because you got some of Malcolm's
daughter's pushing, you got some of King's children, right. But overall,
if you look at the children of the revolutionaries, most
of them did not stay with their father's work. Do
you do you feel me?

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yes? And some of that is due to the fact
that the mothers became.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Voice dis enchanted over the fact, Yes, that they saw
how their husbands gave their life to the people and
the people did nothing for their family after they died.
Think about that, Think about that that hurt. Don't think
about that that uncom died, right, Betty struggled.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
You see.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Now, King's children that may have had a little better
because you had the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
I'm sure they looked out Andrew Young and others.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Right, So Corretta probably had a little bit more, But
it was still hard on them because they saw firsthand
my husband gave his life goodness and y'all ain't even
reciprocate at all to us.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Do you worry about that? Uh? Worry.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
I'm gonna say no, and I'm gonna tell you why,
because it's a given you didn't already seen it. You
didn't already seen it. You see what I'm saying, So
you didn't already see it. And that's why I tell people.
And as I observe activists, I'm always telling them, brother
Low and I'm like, listen, everybody who come to me
talking about they want to do some work for the community.
I got to study their political character, not they personal.

(17:12):
I'll never know that political. And if I see you
more in this for attention, if I see you more
in this about the hustle, if I see you more
in this about anything that's serving the people, I know
you're not genuine because in this, this is sacrifice exact.
You do not benefit of the class extent, of the
highest extent. The only love, but it is the greatest
love is the love of the people. There's nothing like

(17:33):
going through the airport and thirty Africans run up to
you and the white people looking like, who the fuck
is he?

Speaker 1 (17:40):
They looking like, I said, who is this guy? You
know what I mean? And ill in love?

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Right? And I love because you know, they think they
got to know everything. They come over, who are you?
I feel like I should know you. Listen to that though,
I feel, why do you feel you need.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
To know me? And then I say I'm just a psychologist.
Then they still like, okay.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
But first of all, they shot because they thought you
was gonna say rapper or athlete. But even when you
say psychologists, they like, well, psychologists, doesn't.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Make sense that reaction psychologists. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
And I just kind of leave it like that, because
you never know who you're dealing with, Like the stewardess
to ask you. I don't like to give them too
much unless they black, right, because you might put some
shit in my drink, you see, militant in that. Yeah,
you got you, bro, You got to keep your head
on the swip.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
What I've always appreciated about you, whether you would getting
millions of views or not, You've always understood the seriousness
of your of your banter.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Of your rhetoric, of what your position is, of your mission.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
And I think that's very important to see a black
man militant. I was telling him earlier before you got here.
I said, Umar is probably one of the only ones.
And there's a lot of strong black men in the space,
but you will not fold. No, and bro no trust me.
Us us are the black men.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
We say.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
If they let on seeing then if they let him on,
he's not fold Oh no, Sun, So don't sit in
invite and that's why they ain't gonna send me.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
You never see me on there. Now. I just got
an invitation to be on pears Morgan got to be
about to talk rit in just a second, you know, And.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
I didn't accept it because I noticed with some of them,
even though he's really popular, he got millions, don't bring
me on there for no nonsense. And what I noticed,
and I went through this a little bit with Fox Soul.
No disrespect to Fox Soul, because they just reached back
out to me I'm gonna give him another chance. But
you don't take somebody with these kind of credentials and

(19:37):
this type of following and this seriousness behind his work
and put him on a panel with goofballs at all
and you see at all, that's what pears Morgan. I
got an invite for a white podcast. I'm not gonna
mention this now, he's very popular. He wanted me to

(19:58):
debate jesse Lee Peterson. Right now, me and jesse Lee Peterson,
are you familiar with that? I we've debated before. I
was on the show, before I was on Fox Soul.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Before. He and I have shared in ways maybe three times, right, Okay.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
I turned down down interview right because I said, I
am not going to go on this show. And this
was live in studio, and I think he's in Florida too.
I Am not going to go on this show and
debate another black man, even though he is a coon
for the entertainment of white people. See when he first
reached out Loo and I'm thinking we're gonna have a

(20:34):
conversation like us, We're gonna talk, go around the world
and talk. No, I want you to debate jesse Lee Peterson.
You already know what he stands for. You already know
what I stand for. So this cannot be serious. You
want us to fight each other for the imertainment of cars.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
I'm not doing and I appreciate you, I'm saying. On
that matter of fact, let's get to peers. So Piers
Morgan has been in the news or in black culture
going viral right now, in particular for he was a
panel Let me get the names right. I think it
was I want to make sure I have these young
the young lady, the young lady's names.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Uh, I mean I don't have the names.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Nonetheless, it was Piers Morgan, Mark Lamont, Heel marrin games from.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Freddy Clip right, and and so what we had.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
What we had is Piers Morgan was in a scenario
where he he asked for this young lady.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
He invited her to say a racial slur.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
People stand up for themselves. We're a labeled And by
the way, you call people when you want them to
stop talking about.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
No, No, I called you because you admitted you were
hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. I called
just to be clear, I called you because you openly,
proudly admitted your artist. So it wasn't the question of
exposing you or pointing my finger or trying to get
this out of you. You proudly sat there boulders bras.

(22:00):
But yeah, I use the N word all the time
against black people. I'm a racist and I'm proud of it.
That's what you did.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
Racism is just having a preference. I prefer not to
live around black people. I prefer not to live in
a country where white people in our country are disproportionately
attacked by black people. Where in my country you can
have an Austin Metcalf where he asks a guy to
leave and he gets stabbed in the heart. I prefer
that that's a preference. Now, what a real racist is,
in my opinion, as seeing someone as less human. I'm

(22:28):
a Christian. I believe everyone's creating God's image, so I
don't see anyone as less human. But that doesn't mean
I'm not allowed to have a preference and say I
don't like what happens to be coming out of this
community or that community. How is that a bad thing?
How is that not just a preference?

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Because you've literally made black people sound lesser humans, you
don't want to live around them, you want to use
the N word in relation to them, a word that
you know causes that community unbelievable fact, my fault is.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
That my fault if they have bad behavior, if they
want to act in a certain way, if I have
to cross the street and be afraid that maybe because
of the statistics that are very real. By the way,
is that my fault or is that their fault for
having bad behavior?

Speaker 6 (23:07):
That's mind boggling to me for multiple reasons. I mean,
we're talking about bad behavior. You know, we've never touched you,
we've never enslaved you, we've never done any of the
deep seated structural forms of injustice to white people that
white people have done to black people, and yet to
claim some kind of moral superiority in the midst of

(23:30):
and again in the context of a conversation where a
white woman is calling a five year old autistic child
the inward and we're talking about black people's bad behavior.
This is absurd and the idea of fighting fire with
fire again is a dishonest argument. Just to take us
back to the point here, the people who are supporting
criminal Anthony's campaign believe that he was wrongfully charged, and
they're trying to get him legal defense.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
The people who are.

Speaker 6 (23:50):
Defending this woman are saying, yes, we know you call
it the five year autistic black child the in word,
and we want more of it, we approve of it,
we support it. These are not the same thing, and
it's bonkers to me that we couldn't all stand and say, hey,
it is wrong to call a five year old autistic
black child.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
The racial slur was in front of Mark Lamont Hill
and another guy who's who's a black man. The other
guy who's a black man, had a gun and he
would press the trigger and it'll, it'll, it'll, put out
a flag and say you're on it. During the interview
doing it, I didn't see that part because they would

(24:29):
blur out on certain platforms, they wouldn't let it, and
so I wanted to ask you, what is your reaction
to that clip of that situation. That is the exact
type of situation that I don't want to be a
part of. I don't mind the racism, but let it
be someone of an established intellectual background. But for you

(24:53):
to just grab idiots in buffoons off social media because
they have an opinion and asked me to converse with them,
I feel like you're belittling my work. Yes, and you're
belittling my And that's what it was. The young lady
was just a social media girl who says, I like
to say, you're no expertise.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
In anything, no community activism, no type of corporation that
she's established, you know, no type of political resume, just
a nobody. My thing is at least let it be
someone who people listen to, you know what I mean,
and listen to for serious opinion, not your shock value.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
And that's what they'll do.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
They'll they'll try to mix out greats with they bullshit
and trade.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yes, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
And when he reached out to me, brother Loom, if
memory serves me correctly, it was a week or two
before that interview, so I believe he wanted me as
a part of that because in the email that I
got from his assistant, it specifically said that they wanted
to discuss the fundraising behind our brother down in Texas.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Right, the young brother who ended his life.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Okay, and it's now facing charges and hopefully he will
be victorious. We're gonna pray Mello, right, Carmelo Anthony. They
wanted to discuss the fundraising between Carmelo Anthony and the
Shiloh Hendricks I believe is her name. Yes, And I'm
looking at this request and I'm saying, of all the
things we can discuss, we want to talk about gofund me.

(26:22):
I already knew it was nonsense, right, this is all
you want to discuss with the UMAR, this fundraiser and
this fundraiser. I said, this is nonsense. I believe he
wanted me on that platform.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Did you see Mark Lamont heel's response to it where
I thought he did a good job? Okay? Did ado.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
He's receiving some backlash because because he this is what
I say, this difference between what did he say and
didn't next and I didn't see the old thing.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
This is what he said.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
So he says, here's Morgan advice the young lady to
say that in we're go ahead and say it. Go
ahead and say she said she no. Mark Lamont jumps in, Okay,
I do not want you to tell her to say
the N word in front of me, because I'm the
only one up here that's gonna be. He was on
the right track. Then he uttered, Piers, I know you
don't mean any harm.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
And then that's when and when that's when a lot
of people were took him back because.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Why would you give him any out in that moment?
He clearly is inviting this discourse. Why is he as
the white man who's facilitating the conversation. And also even
if he was there quiet, I would say he holds
some responsibility.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Because he engineeredhographically.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
But the fact that he was the one to say,
go ahead, say it and then the hook, yeah, for
you to let him off the hook?

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Now, Mark Mark Lamont he a response to this and says,
I only done that because I didn't want them to
cut out the part where I where I told him
do not allow her to say that, Well, it's like
a strategic bag down.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
I don't respect those right, like in that setting. Now
if we're talking war and you know, other settings.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Great, but he received some backlash for basically letting Piers.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Morgan off the hook in that moment to that, what
do you say?

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Okay, I don't want to speak on that directly because
I didn't see it. I'm going to give doctor Mark
Lamonehill the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Okay, do you want to see it, because we can
show you the clip. I don't mind. I can take
a look at it.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Take a look at it. You know, it could have
just been human error. I'm hoping, you know, if that's
the only thing that took place, it could have just
been human error. I'm hoping it wasn't as egregious as
what I saw the other day when President Donald Trump
had a meet and greet interview with.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
The President of South Africa.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
I don't know if you caught that, but I was
very disappointed in the way that President Ramapulsa of South
Africa conducted himself with President Trump. I really feel that
he allowed President Trump to drive the conversation.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
And to see him meet. I didn't get the chance
to win. We got to watch it.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
I felt like he completely disrespected the South African people,
who I love. I'm very close with the South African family,
and I felt the President of South Africa did not
assert the dignity of his people by defending why so
many South Africans are considering appropriating land from these Caucasians

(29:29):
because y'all invaded our country centuries ago, stole that land,
enslaved us on our own territory, and now you have
the audacity, President Trump to call me a criminal to
take back what was stolen from me by white criminals.
And I really felt the President of South Africa let
Donald Trump push an untrue narrative in his face.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
In his face, I would, I know you not say
nothing back.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Really felt he dishonored all of the great South African
leaders that have come before him.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
You understand, no way Shakazulu was gonna do that.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
You found no way, Chris Hani, no way, Steve Beeko,
no way. Robert Sebukwe was going to sit in the
White House understanding what the US government has done to
Africa and sit there and let President Trump accuse you
of being complicit in genocide when this country has financed

(30:32):
genocide against different African populations throughout time. I really felt
he did the South African people a disservice by letting
Donald Trump treat him like he was a child.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
That's what I'm talking about. So and I got respect
from Mark lemanheiel. I think he's a scholar.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
But what what what is that? Like? What is that like?
What it's it's the coon chip?

Speaker 3 (30:57):
And what I mean by that when you're raised and
white public school, when you're raised in a black church
that's filled with white Jesus images. We are conditioned from
childhood brother Loom to serve and service Caucasians, and you
have to become conscious of your subservience in their presence

(31:19):
so you can work to undo it. Because what in effect,
is happening in that moment with President Ramaposa, if this
happened with doctor Mark lemon Hill, their unconscious takes over.
You see this, you don't even recognize you are conceding
your masculinity to this Caucasian male. You're not even conscious

(31:43):
of it. It is your unconscious conditioning that is kicking
in without your knowledge, forcing you to get down on
bended knee before these Caucasians. And you won't do that.
In fact, I'm gonna go harder with the Caucasian to
make sure my coon chip if if it's still there,
doesn't get activated.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
You feel me.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
So if they say doctor Uma, we might have one
or two whites in the room.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Cool, But I need you to know something.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
I don't change my message, So make sure you understand
that I'm not changing. Same thing. With the universities. Well,
you know there's going to be white students in the audience.
This is a predominantly white institution that's fine, but I
don't change my message. Make sure they understand that.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
And that's what it to us is so important because yes,
you see these scholars that the smarter they get, it's
like they lose the veracity that that black men have.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
And I'm gonna tell you a big reason why there's
a few fears associated with the black male ego. One
fear is money. Unfortunately, we'll put cash above the honor
that we should have in defending our people. Right right,

(33:00):
I disrespect if I offend, because you're not disrespecting. If
I offend this Caucasian, it might mess with my pocketbook.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
I couldn't care less.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
In fact, I tell people all the time one of
the best things ever happened to me was growing up
in the North Central Philadelphia ghetto, because once you taste poverty,
you're not afraid of it.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
You feel me exactly, I'll go back if I need again.
You see what I'm saying. So that's number one, the
loss of money. Another one is the loss of access
to white space man, both in the media and in
the social world. I'll give you an example, and I
know we're going to talk about this later, but I
want to give you an example, take Shannon Sharp, real Quick.

(33:40):
Shannon will not be affected financially, I don't think as
a result of this lawsuit, because in the social media
world there really is no code of ethics.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
It's all about views.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Right, Financially, I think he still gets his contract. You
know where he may lose. You know where Sean Puffy
Combs may lose if he wins the case. They will
ever again get invited to certain privileged white functions. And
as a member of the black bourgeoise, having access to

(34:11):
white's fanities.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Is sometimes worth more than the money. Yes, do you
feel me?

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yes, getting invited to this, getting invited to that, going
on these exclusive retreats with these billionaires.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
You may never get that invitation again.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
And so sometimes the black scholar not saying doctor Hill
did this, but I've seen it done, so I know
what you mean.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I'm going to compromise my people's truth.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
I'm going to compromise my people's truth in this moment
because if I get branded as a black man, think
about that, if I get branded as a black man
by the white man, I might lose opportunities to be
around white people.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yes, and that's kind of your only one up in
a lot of black spaces.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Is that?

Speaker 4 (34:56):
No? Know?

Speaker 1 (34:56):
I be at the white party bingo because we value
everything they do more than what we do. Exactly.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
This is while we'll go to the bet Awards and
we'll fight. Yes, we never fought that the grammaro.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Do you feel men? Will Smith slapped Chris Rock and
they banding for a year? You feel me?

Speaker 3 (35:17):
And I still don't know if he's allowed to go back.
Now you're not gonna do that, yes, in white space, right,
but you'll do it around yes.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yes. Now let's take a look at this. I want
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Speaker 3 (36:42):
Access to Wye's sanity song is sometimes worth more than
the money.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yes, do you feel me? Yes?

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Getting invited to this, yes, getting invited to that, going
on these exclusive retreats with these billionaires, you.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
May never get that invitation again.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
And so sometimes the black scholar not saying dot that
he'll did this, but I've seen it done, so I
know what you mean. I'm going to compromise my people's truth.
I'm going to compromise my people's truth in this moment
because if I get branded as a black man, think
about that. If I get branded as a black man

(37:18):
by the white man, I might lose opportunities to be
around white people. Yes, and that's that's kind of your
only one up in a lot of black spaces is
that No, I be at the white party bingo because
we value everything they do more than what we do.
This is while we'll go to the b ET Awards
and we'll fight. Yes, we never fought that the grammar?

(37:42):
Do you feel me? Will Smith slapped Chris Rock and
they banding for a year?

Speaker 1 (37:47):
You feel me? And I still don't know if he's
allowed to go back.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Now, you're not going to do that in white space, right,
but you'll do it around Yes, Yes, Now let's take
a look at this.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
I want you to look at it really quick. One
second half.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
I want you to invite this woman to say a
racially harmful terment on me because I'm the only I'm
the only on here, so if she says it, I'm
the victim of it. So please don't invite her for
ratings to call me the inwork because that's basically what
it's going to be. There's a bunch of white people
up here, you and what one uncle Tom on the
on the left ear and ask for her to say
the N work while I'm here.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
As ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
You would not sit here with a Jewish person and say,
please use a Jewish slur in front of the Jewish.
It's ridiculous. I understand you don't have any bad in
tip Piers. I understand what you're trying to do. I
don't want to invite a racial harm to.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
Me, and I accept that. I'm gonna leave it there,
Thank you all very much.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Now, I didn't hear him say what you said.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Okay, it might be another speak because I appreciate what
doctor Hill said.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
There. He stood his ground.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
Ok here we go.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Oh no, that's not it. Hold on, he's definitely said it.
But uh well, yeah man, this is this.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Is and he addressed it. He actually addressed the fact
that that it blew up online and people like yo,
you saying why.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
Would you say labeled a racist him by the way,
this is a long racist. When you want them to
stop talking about.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
No, no, I called you a racist because you admitted
you are racist.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
You can get a respect.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
Hang on, hang on. I called just to be clear,
Just to be clear, I called you a racist because
you openly, proudly nitted.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
You're a racist.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
So it was a question of exposing you or pointing
a finger or trying to get this out of you.
You proudly sat there, bold as brass and said, yeah,
he's the one.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
All the time.

Speaker 5 (39:28):
I guess black people, I'm a racist and might proud
of it. That's what you did.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
This is a racism is just having a preference. I
prefer not to live around black people. I prefer not
to live in a country where white people in our
country are disproportionately attact by black people growing my country.
You can have an Austin Metcalf where he asked the
guy to leave and he gets stout of in the heart.
I prefer that that's a preference. Now, what a real
racist is, in my opinion, is seeing someone as less human.

(39:54):
I'm a Christian. I believe everyone's creating a buzz image,
so I don't see anyone as less human. But that
doesn't mean I'm not allowed have a my ference and
say I don't like what happened to be coming out
of this community or that community.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
How is that a bad thing?

Speaker 4 (40:06):
How is that not just a preference?

Speaker 5 (40:08):
Because he literally made black people sound less of humans.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
You're able to live around them, You.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
Want to use the nation to them a world that
you know causes that community unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
That my fault.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Is that my fault if they have bad behavior, if
they want to act in a certain way, if I
have to cross the street and be afraid that maybe
because of the crime statistics that are very real, by
the way, is that my fault or is that their
fault for having bad behavior?

Speaker 1 (40:32):
It's it's it's it's mind.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
I want to live in a country where people are
allowed to say what they want unashamedly, and you can.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
You will go on and say it. You will not
have gone say go on, say the N word.

Speaker 6 (40:44):
Go on, No, no, no. I don't want you to
invite this woman to say a racially a hartful term
for me, because I'm the only I'm not only on here.
So if she says that, I'm the victim of it,
so please don't invite her for ratings to call me
the N word, because that's basically what it's going to be.
There's a two white people up here while I'm here

(41:06):
as ridiculous. You would not sit here with a Jewish
person and say, please use a Jewish slur in front
of the Jewish It's ridiculous. I understand you don't have
any bad in tip heres. I understand what you're trying
to do. I don't want to invite a racial.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
Harm to me, and I accept that. I'm gonna leave
it there. Thank you all very much of it.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
We approve of it, we support it.

Speaker 6 (41:25):
These are not the same thing, and it's bonkers to
me that we couldn't all stand and say, hey, it
is wrong to call a five year old autistic black
child the N word.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Okay, damn. So it must have been in the other one.
You may you may just missed this. That's happening.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
This is not a standalone statement, and that's why people
felt like it was a slippy jest to appease the man.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Okay, yeah, yes, so it was. When he would say,
don't you just say any way? It was dead.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
It wasn't a just in other words, you should have
checked him for even inviting her to say it. But
he did say, don't have her say that. But what
you're saying is he also said, I know you don't
mean no harm, so I'm holding I'm not holding you
accountable for the fact that you actually invited her to.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Say and that line actually blew up, and he responded
to it, and he said, again it was a strategic
move on his part, but I don't compromise my integrity.
You can't for a strategic move for the white folks.
And so that's he responded to it. So, but but
we'll move on from that. Let me ask you this,

(42:42):
because I know that Joe Budden podcast is somewhere where
you go, you do a lot of views that I'm
of the belief and a lot of my fans are
of the belief that we were very, very instrumental in
them actually pulling the trigger on Umar. Of course they
knew Umar for a long time. After our Dion Sander's debate.
I think there was just a day say oh no,
we need Umar. And of course when you went up there,

(43:05):
one of the first conversations was, hey, we saw you
debate about Umar. I'm sorry about Dion and you know
so I take pride in being influential in that way
in the market, just opening what people think is available
to do with Umar.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Right. It ain't just because for me, I feel as
though our dynamic kind of changes the way that people
deal with you, right in regards to.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Umar is an intellectual.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
He invites this, he invites, make me clarify, make me
stand on it, because I'm gonna tell you why it
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Yes, sir, you know, and I believe in those moments
you shine so so bright that even in your twenty
fifth hour, it still brings in.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
More new people.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
When absolutely, yes, yes, absolutely are you. Are you prepared
to go.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
And do the twenty v one on Joe Bunden's podcast
at this point.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Uh, I didn't know he was interested in the twenty
v one. That's what is.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
If you go to Joe Budden's podcast, they have Mark
lamont Hill there to combat you on your way there.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Right, But I thought twenty v one was when you pop.
I mean, I mean twenty b one just twenty versus Yeah,
you know, let's just talking about so Drake rephrased that
when when the Kendrick thing was happening, when everyone seemed
like they were going there, Drake, he was like, oh
he caught it twenty one. I got so now, So
now I just kind of playing on that to say, yo, Umar,

(44:32):
the next time you go to Joe Budden, it's definitely.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Gonna be a alliance.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Then I see what you're I see what you're saying.
I'm always ready. You know, sometimes because of things people
might say or do that I don't agree with that,
I take his slights, I might not necessarily agree to
have those people present sometimes, right, so I have to

(44:58):
look at who the team is and I'm like, okay,
let's do it. But I'm like, you know what, he
kind of did something I appreciate. Then I might exclude
a particular individual. I've done that in the past because
my thing is when I come to the platform, I'm
going to raise it and whoever you have there, and

(45:18):
I don't want to help expand the brand of anyone
who would ever seek to try to undercut or undermine
me in any way shape.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Do you feel like people are Do you feel like
you abolve the undermind and even though you see it right,
it's almost like a skull despite the file.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Do you I'm cool with the political undermining. In other words,
me and lun are about to have a conversation about something,
and I know he fundamentally disagrees with me on this point.
I'm good because we keeping it politicalactly, But if somebody said, well,
you know, Loon had to say this about you when
you were and I'm like, ah, you just cut me
in the back.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Can't do it now, you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
It's one thing if it's a political disagreement, it's something
else when you're actually trying to make me look bad
off camera or trying to put some of my business.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Out in the street that shouldn't be there.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Then it becomes now do you think that, like, let's
just say you do go six people, won Oumar, You
probably are gonna be the one standing on you know, you.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Have your beliefs and you don't fold. This is why
we love you, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
So I think they can kind of anticipate certain things
that you're gonna stand on and kind of develop a.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Strategy or a I can see that, right.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
That's kind of common though across platforms. But I'll say
this though, at the Joe Button podcasts, even though they
stood on their squarz, I also felt they was very
respectful of my positions though, Like, even though we went
at it, even me and issue on the store Buddy
then we went at it, But at the end of
the day, it felt like all loving it. Like when

(46:59):
I left, I didn't that there was any animosity with anyone.
When when I left out, I said, you know what,
that was all right, right, I mean if we went
at it, yeah, but it was still loving. You know,
the value you brought to Joe. Listen, the value you
brought to because see Joe, I mean he was already
doing well. Yeah, but I'm this is a different game. See,

(47:21):
this is what I'm saying. This is no longer about points, right,
It's like they put points up. He's running a game.
I'm running, which is a subscription model game.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Okay. If you notice your.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Interview never came out for a long time on YouTube,
word is in the industry behind the scenes that it
was upwards of tens twenty thousands of new subscriptions, which
is a so it's a substantial amount of money, right,
And so that value you bring, that dynamic you bring

(47:56):
is always social valuable and I just want you to
know that, which I know you know. But again, the
debate style thing they've done with you came from what
we had just done with Dion, Right. It was like
it was more so they because yeah, people don't want
to disrespect you, right, They think that, but I know
you you want us so we can have these conversations

(48:17):
like you saying, disagree on some move to the next subject,
agree on that subject, agree on the next one, disagree
on that one.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
And I know you invite the discourse.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
But yeah, man, you brought a lot of value to
that platform, and I just wanted to know, you know,
moving forward, how you felt about going on now.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Oh, I didn't mind. I'm looking forward to the return. Okay, great, Yeah,
they alright with me? Yeah, Now, I really enjoyed it.
It was a good conversation, great conversation. Now, Pierce Morgan,
is that off the tape. It depends on what he
wants to talk about and who he wanted to talk
about it with. In other words, if that would have
been me on that panel, I would have kind of
felt like it was a waste of my time. You

(48:57):
follow me because that other brother who was up there
from Russian Fits, they invited me to their platform. I
don't know if they still together anymore, Okay, but they invited.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Me about a year or two and I didn't go.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
And the reason I didn't go is right before I
received their invitation, somebody sent me a clip of a
black woman, young sister who was on a panel, and
they got into a disagreement or an argument. I don't know,
was it a fist they actually they put their hands
on that girl. Yeah, like physically removed. So when I
saw that, I couldn't. It's one thing to say I

(49:31):
don't want to date black women, completely disrespectful for black
men to say. But I might still tolerate. But if
you go to the point where you are absolutely be
rating and disrespecting a sister on your platform, even going
so far as to allegedly put hands on it, I
can't give you my energy because I know when I

(49:51):
interview with you, everybody who follows doctor Umar wants to
see it. This week alone, This week alone, I've gotten
at least a dozen texts from supporters who's saying, Doctor Umar,
I don't watched everything on YouTube when your next interview,
you know. Truck My biggest probably my biggest constituency base

(50:13):
amongst my supporters might be the long haul truck drivers.
Blof you feel me, I hear from the long haul
They say, Doc, you take me from Florida to California, right,
So they'll text me and be like, Yo, where the
next interview at I didn't watch these twenty times.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
I need some new doctor Umar.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
So to your point, I do know that my supporters
are waiting for the next interview, you know what I mean.
So my thing is I gotta be conscious of that.
I'll give it to you. Like I probably turned down
at least a dozen podcasts because I felt that you
have made a crystal clear that you don't respect black
people if they're Caucasians. Right, Andrew Sharks or somebody should

(50:52):
he wanted me. Somebody sent me a clip where he
shared him with Shannon Shop.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
I don't want to get it wrong.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
I don't want to misspeak about the man, but I
think it was a conversation he had with him and
Shannon Sharp or somebody where he kind of said something
disrespectful about black women. I forget what it was, but
I do remember in the moment, I said, that was
a bit too far.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I can't go on that platform. You'll shows have always
had this.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Funny relationship because he's all I don't know him, right,
but because my time on the Breakfast Club, because him
and Charlemagne have a podcast together, right, so he Charlemagne
was the first one to say, you know, he wants
you on there, and I said okay, but he got
to pay, right. So then finally when they came to
me and say okay, we'll pay, I'm like, all right,

(51:41):
I might do this. And then I see the clip
with him and Shannon or maybe with somebody on his show.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
I forget where it was.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
But he said something disrespectful about black women, and I said,
because what he said, in my opinion, cut too low.
If you cut too low, I'm not bringing you my
listening audience.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
I'm not saying you need it.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
You're already doing fine, but you're not gonna have the
benefit of minds too.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
And you disrespected my community and and and and you know,
both things together is what makes the explosion.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
You need wal I mean, you need heat and cold
to make Caitlin Clark and Andrews. Yeah. Yeah, so when
they when those mashups are way more powerful than just
how are we doing another episode this week?

Speaker 5 (52:24):
No?

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Right, Umar and Andrew Schultz would be a moment. Yeah,
It's like that's a moment. And he verse, right, he
said they didn't pay their guests. I said, you really think?
You really think?

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Doctor Umar E five to day the number one black
scholar in the world. Number one Pan African is it
ain't even close. Well, number two Pan African. It's because
I'm gonna give number one to President Iberhem Tree or
they of Burkina Fossil. Right, So the number two Pan
African is number one in the West. And you think

(52:59):
I'm gonna give you a conversation that we know going
to go viral, Oh my god, that you know you're
going to get paid on a bunch of money, and
you think I'm coming for free.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
That's why.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
But guess why the expectation is that is because the
other black scholars in those positions that you are in
will charge us and go to the white man for free,
not me. In fact, you got to pay more, you understand,
That's why we laugh. Most of the podcasts I've turned
down have been white and they've offered nice amounts, but

(53:31):
I can't do it because I've seen you say and
do things that to me was too deep of an
aspect of disrespect that would allow me to sit down
and have that conversation.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
So do you think Schultz is racist? I believe all
white people are racist, So that's not the question. The
question is do I think Schultz is a bigot right.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Racism is what complete controlling domination for your group of resources, opportunities,
and privileges are OPI that's it. It has nothing to
do with how I feel about loan. It has nothing
to do with how I feel about doctor Umar. You
understand I want white people to have the advantage always
when it comes to resources, opportunities, and privileges.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
It's not personal. It's business, the business of political, economic
control and domination. That's all racism is. Bigotry is when
you bring in that emotional component. Bigotry is where you
made it personal. Bigotry is when you say I.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Not only want to have I not only want white
people to dominate the resources, opportunities and privileges. The reason
I want them to dominate is because I think black
people are monkeys. I want them to dominate because I
think they are inferior. I want them to dominate because
I think God invented them to be our slaves. You
see that that's bigotry. Racism ain't personal. Bigotry is Wow,

(54:54):
it shows to bigot I don't know. I don't want
to misspeak on them.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Yeah, because I know I don't know him well.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
But I've been in his presence a couple times, you know,
me and Charlamagne has business together with Alheart. So I've
been on Brilliant Idiots and I've been I've been in
this in his vicinity.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
I don't think he's racist, but I don't know what's
going on with him. Oh right, your definition of racism
I understand, So I can't.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Did you say you don't think he's biggest.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
I think he's bigger to yes, but that's still that's
for you too, damn. And and that's for you to
distinguished as it pertains to your feelings, that approach to
how you gather your information.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
You know what I'm saying. And let me say this
to you.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
A big reason why I haven't been on these popular
white podcasts is because I understand racism and how it operates.
No matter what you learn from me, you're not going
to change your ways because there's no Caucasian on Earth

(55:55):
that's going to abdicate their white privilege.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
So black people can get a fair opportunity.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
So for me, it's almost a waste of time to
have a conversation about race and racism with white people
because you're never going to change. Yes, you do not
change racism, you destroy it. You see that. So when
I sit back and I get these invitations from these
white podcasters, I know what y'all want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Y'all want the doctor Umar shock moment, and y'all willing
to pay me for it.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
That's all right, But at the end of the day,
I value my time and for me to sit down
and have conversations about race and racism with people who
are never gonna stop being racist is a waste of
my damn times.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Effect.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
I have nothing to prove to Caucasians, and that's what
I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Man.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
That and a lot of people talk I can I
feel that coming, Yes sir, Yes, sir. And that's the
difference I would say between you and a Mark lemont Hill, right,
is because in those moments, I just don't end my heart.
I don't see you excusing that behavior on any level.
I'm not even Joe Black. You can't say if he did,

(57:07):
but I'm not even his. He works with Joe Budden
at this point. Even his boss, Joe Budden came the
next day and kind of got him online.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Are we good? Is what? Okay?

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Switching to Tennady because it probably, Uh, it probably was that.
So switching to Tennady, this is still going, so we'll
keep moving. So Joe Budden actually came and kind of
had a conversation with him on the next episode and
he told him, He's like, why are you even own
Piers Morgan.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
You're on Joe Budden's podcast.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
Now.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
This is Joe talking to him.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Like saying that, hey, our platform is huge, we got
a lot of people listening.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
You're smoking right now, You're viral here, viral there. Why
go there? And he was like, why should it?

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Because in Mark Lamont Hill, I did have a problem
with him going though, because I do recognize the need
to sometimes clarify who we are, and that's what I'm
in white space. Yes I wasn't. I'm not against him
doing it, so it's okay to do it, but just
standing on the business stand on the business and for me,

(58:14):
I'm going to pick and choose what white space is
I'm going to go in, you know what I mean.
And that's why with Pears Morgan, when I saw what
he wanted to talk about, I said, this is not serious.
H And my thing is, if I'm going to go
into a white space, I needed to be serious.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
You feel me.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Because I know you ain't going to change who you are.
White people have never changed, never will you understand? So
I know that, but at least let it be serious.
But for me to come on your program, just for
you to try to make a mockery of my way
of life and what I'm living and dying for, it
can get real personal, real quicks and I don't want
to subject myself to it because at the end of

(58:50):
the day, anybody will look me in the face and say,
you knew what you were walking into.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Why did you walk into it exactly? Are you familiar
with the Ryan Clark and RG three forth? This happened?

Speaker 3 (59:01):
I am Ryan Clark and RG three, Ryan Clark and
RG three.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Here's where I am.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
So as we know, Kitlyn Clark's team was playing Angel
Reese's tea and that was a hard file. Kitlyn Clark
made a hard file. I saw the folk. I definitely
thought it was unnecessary because I saw how she kind
of pushed her a little bit.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
I saw it it was on purpose.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
I think Kitlyn Clark still arbors some animosity towards Angel
Reese because Angel Reese still won the national championship so
even when people saying Kaitlyn is the better player, you
believe she still hates Angel Reed. Of course, because Angel
Reese prevented Caitlyn Clark from getting an n c double

(59:47):
A Women's National Championship.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
That matters. Yes, do you feel me? That matters?

Speaker 3 (59:53):
And Angel Reese is the reason Caitlyn Clark is not
an nc double A champion. Angel Reese is an NCUBA champion.
So no matter how many white people worship Caitlyn Clark
every time she steps on the court with Angel Reese,
you're the reason I don't have a college ring because listen,

(01:00:16):
we don't know if she's guaranteed to ever get a
w NBA championship, you feel, and that's that gap or
what people perceive to be a gap in talent gets
larger and larger from Caitlin an Angel It can become
more offensive and more especially if Angel Reese ends up
winning a w NBA championship. You understand, See, you have

(01:00:39):
your popularity vote, and then you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Have your actual achievements in your profession. You see what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
So, doctor Umar may be very popular in the community,
but I also have my achievements as a school psychologist.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
You see there's a difference there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
So somebody can say, you might be more popular than me,
but you ain't save more children from the school to
prism pipeline. In me, I can say I'm more popular
than you, and I save more children from the school
to prison pipe.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
You understand. So Caitlyn Clark can always throw in Angel
Reese's face, I'm more popular than you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
White people have made me the face of the league, right, yes,
And Angel Reese can say that's fine, but I still
got this and you don't, and I got it on
your time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Do you see that? Do you see that?

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Because you got to understand the narcissism that is at
the heart of the collective white personality. They're not supposed
to lose the black people ever cooking. Now, let's go
to this. First of all, I think it is such
hypocrisy for white people and the nigroes who serve them
like RG three, to try to turn Angel Reese into

(01:01:58):
a perpetrator of a crime when she was the victim.
Here once again, they have made Caitlyn Clark the victim.
She committed the file. Yes, they made her the victim.
That's how white privilege operates. Wow, lit. Look how when
the police unlive of us right? The young man in

(01:02:20):
Cincinnati whose father underlive right, underlive the police officers in
the Penten in response to a police officer unliving his
son right. They still made the police officer in the
murder of the child. They still made the police officer
the victim, although he pulled the trigger.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
This is how white America operates.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Even when black people are victimized, you're somehow responsible for it.
They made Angel Reach responsible for the hard Fire by
Caitlin Clark. Now let's get the RG three and Ryan Clark.
RG three does a podcast a couple of days ago,
and with his white wife in the background, sitting there

(01:03:09):
like a slave master supervising her slave on a plantation.
With his wife in the background, RG three proceeds to insult, denigrate, incriminate,
and insult and belittle Angel Reese.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
He mocked her using.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Stereotypical, exaggerated black ghetto behavioral demonstrations, talked about how she
hates Angel Reese.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
He said, excuse me, Angel hates Katelyn Clark.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
He said, blatantly, Angel Reese hates Caitlyn Clark, and I
know this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Excuse me. RG three Angel Reese hates Caitlyn Clark. How
do you know this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
I'm a psychologist and I can't read nobody mind. I
tell people all the time, I'm not a psychic. I'm
a psychologist. Difference, I can't read your mind. I can
analyze what comes out of it, but I can't read it.
RG three became a psychic in front of his Snowbundy,
telling the world.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
That I can't read Angel Reese's mind.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
First of all, even if you were a psychic, you
didn't been around snow Bunny's too long for you to
even understand black women. First of all, he was already
married to a snow bunny, That's what Ra said, got
a divorcee. She eating on the first snowbunny with the
current Snowbudy. So you went from snowbunny to snow bunny.

(01:04:36):
And then you got the audacity to try to be
little a black woman to make your white wife feel
better about herself. You don't ever know black man shit,
ever insult or criticize, even honestly a black woman in
the presence of a white woman, because guess what, if
Angel Reese was white, he would have never said any

(01:04:59):
of that. If Angel Reese was white. RG three would
have never said none of that. So Ryan Clark spoke
the truth. Ryan Clark said, listen, you don't have conversations
about what black women go through. You've dedicated your life
to not one, but two snow bunnies.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
I'm gonna call him RG two.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
I'll call him RG three when he get divorced and
get a third snow bunny. So he's RG two, two
snow bunnies, RG two, right, yeah, yeah, And then you
got her in the background showing the world how proud
I am to be married to this white woman.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
See that. First of all, you know my position.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Yeah, black men who date and marry white women wish
they were white themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Let's just keep it a buck. You're talking about a group.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Of people who have historically and systemically devalued, dehumanized, and destroyed,
destroyed African life and culture, and you want to marry
one of them. To marry a Caucasian is to play
for their team and fight for their army. To marry
a Caucasian is to play for their team and fight

(01:06:09):
for their army. And then RG three, like a coward,
Like a coward, he comes back at Ryan Clark. And
he says, you hip below the belt. When you brought
my family in this loom, he didn't bring his family
in it. He said, you married two white women. He said,
he talked about your this by something you don't know.

(01:06:31):
You got two snow bunnies. Ryan Clark ain't talking about
your wife. He didn't say one bad thing about your wife.
He said nothing bad about your beautiful children. He said,
you chose to marry two white women. But look at
the double standard in that hypocrisy. You just disrespected a
twenty three year old girl, Angel Reyese. You talked about

(01:06:52):
her like a dog, told her she hates this little
white girl, disrespected, He insulted her, mackda, this is what
you did RG three. And because he reminded you that
you go home to a white woman, he's wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Look at this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Ryan Clark is wrong for reminding me I married two
white women. But I'm not wrong for disrespecting Angel Reese.
Do you think on the internet, do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
You think that him saying you went too far bringing
my family and is him signaling to ESPN?

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Of course, because he said ESPN. He said this is
not a good look for ESPN. See he said, I'm y'all.
I'm I'll see me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Man's standing enough for white folks now.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
He is a house Nigro. And don't get me wrong,
Back when he played for the Broncos, excuse me, the
Red Skins, I believe it was Mike Shanahan I believe
unfairly cut RG three's career short when he made him
go out there and play while he was injured. I
don't know if you remember that. I think he was
not fully recovered right because he was a damn good

(01:07:55):
court could have been one of the best. Mike Shanahan
made RG three get out there and play before he
was fully healed, and that stopped him from fully becoming
what he should have been.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
I think it was wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
So the brother's career was cut short by racism because
they would have never done that too, Like why would
he not say I'm not going out till I'm healed,
Like the white man can make you go out knowing
that you're not healed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Depends on the politics of that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
You don't think I wouldn't have done Tonio Brown took
your shirt obviously, and I'm out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Right, But at some point to point it comes back
to whether or not you're willing to compromise your black masculinity.
A big conversation that we as black men need to
have with each other without our women around, is when
are we going to start compromising our black masculinity for money?
When are we going to stop compromising our black masculinity

(01:08:44):
to get access to snow Bunny Kuchi? When are we
going to stop compromising our black masculinity to get jobs?

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
When are we going to.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Stop compromising our black masculinity to access privileged white spaces?
You feel me because black men, unlike any other men
in this country, and understand why, because we're more under attack,
we compromise our masculinity too much, too much. And for
RG three to sit up there, to sit up there
and say, this is a bad look for ESPN.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Why are you bringing that man's job into this.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
That's crazy, his podcast, your podcast, your private podcast, his
private podcast, and you're going to bring his job in it.
So you said, because he reminded you you married two
white women, he's supposed to lose his job, but it
was okay for you to disrespect angeuries. Look at the difference.
Don't even mention a white woman. Don't even mention a

(01:09:36):
white woman, you should be fired. But it's okay for
me to perfectly disrespect this young kid, this young twenty
three year old sister who's been disrespected enough, and I'm
going to add on top of it to prove to
my wife and her family that you can trust me
any time against my own people. And then people said, well,
Ryan Clark has no business talking because he has a

(01:10:00):
baby by snow bunny.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
And this is what I'll say to that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
I don't know him personally, and I don't know his
background well, but from what I've seen, Ryan Clark is
one of the more racially conscious sports commentators we have.
Stephen A goes back and forth. Sometimes steven A stand

(01:10:24):
hard and other times he will sing out, you follow
what I'm saying. So I believe that when Ryan Clark
made that beautiful child right, he was not politically speaking
who he is now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
I believe he had to evolve.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Yes, And as I've said before, and I don't know
if you and I had this conversation, but as I've
said before, if a black man commits an offense against
the race, such as bunny hopping, but you learn from
it and you self correct, and you promised to know,
go back that way, right. I don't have a problem

(01:11:04):
with you coming back into the race from what I
can see, and only Ryan Clark can clarify, but from
what I can see, it appears that that child, that
beautiful child that he made with that Caucasian woman, was
made a long time ago, and since that time, Ryan
Clark has grown into a socially conscious and politically loyal

(01:11:25):
black man.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
And if that is the case, if he.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Is completely completely healed from the snow Bunny crisis, he
has a right to speak on it. Because Ryan Clark's
wife ain't white RG three, she black, right, Yeah, and
then it's true. Hey check these cameras too, sir, make
sure that's still going.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Also, I want to talk about this because there's a
growing concern with me that I'm noticing, Like because now
I have a community, right with this podcast and all
of this, So sometimes I go in there and I
speak with the community. I went in there and there's
this constant conversation about interracial dating, and it's you. As

(01:12:07):
you know, it gets a lot of traction online. People
are interested in why is it divided or why is
it so inclusive? There's questions on both sides, But I
want to speak to speaking about RG three and black
men loving white women or choosing to marry and have
children and pro create with white women. It seems like

(01:12:29):
that a large percentage of these gentlemen that I've bumped
into have had conversation with the minute that they love
on a white woman and they get into a nuclear
family widder.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
They abandon all understanding and love that they had for
black women, even their mother.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Right, It's almost like the way that they speak about
black women after they now are dating white the way
that they feel women keep them away in the I
heard one guy say something that highly offensive, keep the.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Dirty mouth black women away from it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
And I'm like, your mother is black, how did you
abandon the love, the nurture that she gave you?

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
What happened in that process?

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
As a psychologist, what is your outlook on black men
getting with white women and abandoning all understanding and love
that they had for even a black mother.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
There could have been trauma from the mother in some
of them circumstances. Sometimes the trauma can be so acute
that the pain forces you to go into a completely
different direction. That's very true. My mother abused me, My
mother sexually assaulted me. My mother allowed other people to
abuse me, sexually assault me. My mother was emotionally unavailable.

(01:13:46):
Trauma can do that, But even in trauma loom, there
is still self hate involved because you know what white
people have done.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
To you and continue to do to you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
You understand, no snow, Bunny How is ignorant of the
fact that white people have been the greatest enemies of
African people. Nobody is ignorant to that. So because remember now,
although I don't support you going to the a rap
I don't support you going to the Asian, I don't

(01:14:18):
support you going to the Indian or the non African Latino.
Those were still options for the Bunny Hopper. You chose
white on purpose, you see. So in choosing white, you're
making it clear I'm self alienated and choosing why. You're
making it clear I'm a self hater and choosing why.
You're making it clear I don't want my children to

(01:14:39):
look like my mother. You are making it crystal clear
I am switching sides, and I'm switching sides publicly and
for people. And this is where I'm gonna respectfully disagree
with my brother Stephen A.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Smith because steven A.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Smith responded to the RG three Ryan Clark situation, and
I thought he gave a pretty reasonable and leveled critique.
But where I'm going to disagree with my brother stephen A.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
And I know he had to say this because he
got a bag to protect, right, he told Ryan Clark,
don't bring up his wife and children. He didn't. He
just reminded him that they were white. And steven A.
Smith said this too, right, right, But stephen A. Smith
kind of stated or alluded to the fact that his
wife being white has nothing to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Do with it. You're wrong, steven A. Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
You're wrong that man's wife being white has everything to
do with this situation. Because he's disrespecting a black woman
while sleeping with a white one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
It has everything to do with it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
You can't say a snow buddy Hopper is publicly disrespecting
a twenty three year old black girl, young black sister.
It has nothing to do with the fact that he's
married to white women. It has everything to do with
the fact that he married two white women. And Ryan
Clark has a right to speak on it because he's
a recovered bunny.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Hopper no longer participate.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Do you think that what was his logic behind why
it's irrelevant personally.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
I just think he was protecting his job because you
got to remember something with our celebrities and entertainers. And
I respect Steven it because, like I said, sometimes Stephen Gohall,
sometimes he coons out, but he's better than most.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
He's better than most. Some don't even touch it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Steven A. Smith will at least touch it. So I
got to give the brother some respect in the white world.
And for you to survive in it, you have to
assume a racially ambiguous, a racially ambiguous attitude towards all

(01:16:47):
political issues.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
It's a tight rope, you understand.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
It's a tight rope and the reason why people are
trying to call for Ryan Clark's job. And I do
want to support Stephen A. Smith in standing up for
Ryan Clark. He said, this many is gonna lose his job.
A powerful voice over there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Yeah, Steven A. Smith said, I'm going to raise Holy Hell.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
I'm not in charge, but I'm gonna raise Holy Hell
if anybody tries to fire this man for telling the
truth about this man.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
So shout out to Steven A.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Smith for taking his brother's back on that okay, But
because you have to act politically naive in order to
be a successful black entertainer that includes sports, you have
to assume a political naiva tanne in the face of
obvious injustice.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Think about that, Loan, You sitting on him, Oh man, you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Sitting on the panel on TV and the police just
unlive somebody RG three, Just disrespect that your little sister
Angel Reese with his slave master handler.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Oversee a slave dr in the back? You anymore with
the wet loon, she had a whip, whippity, what pity,
tear it down. Tear it down.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
But guess what you have to act like him having
a white wife has nothing to do with this. You
have to assume this posture of political naivena. You have
to commit. You have to commit historical amnesia every time
you go to work. Loan will think about that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Every time I go to work, I gotta act like I.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Don't know what my people have been through, because if
I show the slightest political integrity or cultural loyalty, I can.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Lose my dereath. Go y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
This is why Lebron James stood with Israel against Paliestine
but did nothing when that brother was shot dozens of
times in Akron, Ohio. Jalen Walker got hit with almost
one hundred bullets by the white police, and all Lebron
James said is I gotta pray.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
I gotta pray.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
But when Israel invaded Palistine, it started unliving all those
people over there. You stood with Israel because as a
black entertainer, if you want to be successful in white space,
you have to commit his historical suicide.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Every boys cooking the day you got so okay.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
So bag to and see here's the thing though, real quick,
go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Now that the white man knows Ryan Clark is not
only politically conscious, they're not upset about you being politically conscious.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Stephen A.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Smith is politically conscious, but Ryan Clark is loyal as well. Yeah,
the Lord, it's the loyalty. Ryan Clark's comments made it clear,
I'm a black man.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Fire yeah, because the Lord informs your decision making.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Yes. So now the white man is like, damn, he's
politically conscious like Stephen A. But he's more loyal to
black people. He'll move on he'll move on him. So
now Ryan Clark, he's not going to lose his job.
But once again, there will be certain opportunities he may

(01:20:04):
not get now because the power structure knows you staying
with the negroes in the field, not the.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Ones in the house. Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
And so also getting back to the community that when
I went in and they was talking about, you know,
the dirty mouth or just like you said, some of
the historical overreaches that they use as it pertains to
black women, it just doesn't feel like trauma driven to

(01:20:35):
me because the particular things that they will point out,
meaning because you know me, I like to have a conversation,
what are you saying?

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Like? I'm highly upset and you're about to get kicked
out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
But before I kick you out, what is that like?

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Why are you talking about black women in this way
in any instances? Like you say, even if honest, that means,
even if it's the truth, Why is this even coming
out of your mouth when your black mother took care
of Because you are proving that you are politically harmless

(01:21:12):
to white folks. See, the white woman for the black
man is the political surrender flag loon. When I walk
into a space with a white woman, I'm letting every
white person know I am not loyal to my community.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
I'm not loyal to my mother. I'm not loyal to
my father.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
I'm not loyal to my neighbors, the children I went
to college with. I am loyal to you. The white
woman is the black man's nonverbal mouthpiece. By having her
next to you, you are making a political statement to
the world that I am loyal to the white power structure. Yeah,
and so I asked, I'm like, yo, what is man?

(01:21:56):
I don't like they talk too much, they argue too much.
I don't listen. Black women love me. I love black women.
I don't hear no bunch of all. But here's the
question I would have to any black man who maligns
and denigrates black women to justify dating white. First of all,
you were going to date white even if you were
treated well, because your abhorrence for black women is not

(01:22:22):
just about how she treated you. Your abhorrence to black
women is about the fact you always wanted a white one.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
You're just using her as the excuse for why you
are there.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
We've all been mistreated before by women, period, but I
never abandoned on you. You understand you wanted white women anyway.
You're just choosing black women as the excuse. And this
is how I explain it. Who has mistreated the black
man more a black woman or the white man. There
is no black man in America who can say I've

(01:22:56):
been mistreated more by black women than white man. You
a damn lot who locked you up, whoms educated, who
fired you, who won't give you a job. You understand
most of the black man's problems in America were caused
by the white man, not the black woman.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Why you don't have the same smoke for him.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Yeah, and that's why you don't have the same smoke
for America that you have for the black woman. If
it's purely about how you've been treated, you should be
way more angry at white men than black women as
a whole. Fast it's because you love white people, and
having sex with that white woman is the way you
try to psychologically prove to yourself that you're equal to

(01:23:37):
her white man, and an escapegoat is look, Stephen, a
excuse me. Shannon Sharp and Terrell Owens said, when I
went to school, black girls called me ugly. Shannon Sharp
and Torell Owens. When I was young, go up through school,
black women called me ugly, right, But Shannon Sharp you

(01:24:02):
let a nineteen year old snow bunny put a dog
leash around your damn neck and walk you around calling
you monkeys and apes and the N word. So you
mean to tell me you don't date black women because
they called you ugly when you was a child, But
you'll let a white woman dog walk your ass button
neck it around her bedroom calling you every monkey and

(01:24:23):
eight and in word that can be. But it's okay
when a white woman disrespects me. It's okay for the
white woman to put a dog collar around my neck
and call me the IN word. It's okay for the
white woman to put a dog collar around my neck
and force me to engage and racist sexual play. But
if a black girl calls me ugly, I'll never date

(01:24:44):
one again. But a white woman could dog walk me
button necking and call me an ape and a gorilla
and an inn word, and it's perfectly fine. You a
goddamn hipocria. You hate yourself and you hate black women.
Stop making excuses, right, And sometimes it feels like that
they don't. They don't hate black They just feel like
they hate what a black woman had to be. A

(01:25:04):
lot of times black women are kicked into survival mode,
so sometimes that we.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Are responsible for how they are.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
They say, I like the white woman because she's passive,
she's dicil, she's feminine, she's supportive. She don't she allows
me to lead. You know why, because she don't need
you for anything. Idiot, The white woman needs nothing from
the black man. Let me say it again. The white
woman needs nothing from the black man. Let me say
it one more time. The white woman needs nothing from

(01:25:35):
the black man. And when she's tired of you, she
just accuse you of rape or get a divorce and
take half your damn back. Shannon Sharp about to pay
this white girl twenty five thousand dollars per cheek, and
she looked like two down thirteen Steve, Nah, looks like a.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
Thirteen year old boy. Yeah, you're gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Pay her twenty five thousand dollars before I ask cheek.
She don't even have man. She looked like she needed
to be passing somne. And then they got the nerd
to be calling black women gold diggers. Well, if black
women are the gold diggers, loom, show me a OnlyFans model,
Show me a black OnlyFans model who are about to
get twenty five thousand dollars a cheek and them sisters

(01:26:15):
got fat ass.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
They's worth you feel me?

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
You talk about set up, They got to set up
body and they not getting twenty five granded cheak. I'm
looking at this white girl, ain't got no backside, and
you about to give a twenty five granded cheek. Because
it wasn't about the body. It wasn't about the look.
It was the craven.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
It was about the color of the flesh.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
This is about whiteness. I want proximity to a whiteness.
Do you think, Shannon Close? I am to white people,
the better I feel about myself. So you think Shannon Shaw,
because because I sometimes think that it's the activity, you
don't find an odd that the brothers who go the

(01:27:00):
most for the white girls tend to be the darker brothers.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Yeah, I definitely find it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
And I'm saying this as a dark skinned brother and
look at him. Don't get me wrong. You get light
skinned brothers and mixed race brothers. They got a white mother.
We understand not acceptable, but we understand. You get light
skinned brothers who only day white.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
But in my.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Experience, my dark skin brothers, they go crazy over snow
bunny vagina. They go crazy over snow bunny, but activate
some get RG three.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
You just got a divorce and went in white stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
Another funny self hatred brother. There's a book France for
Nan I never know. I don't know if you heard
of him. He was from Martinique. He's one of our
greatest black revolutionaries. They murdered him not too long after
they murdered doctor King. They had to get him out
the way because he was serious. He was a psychiatrist.
He wrote a book called Black Skin, White Mass. Every

(01:27:56):
snow Bunny Hopper needs to read Black Skin, White Mass.
And guess what. But he had a snow bunny. But
he told the truth. He told the truth. He talked
about how black men who date white women have an
aspect of self hate and by dating her, you're trying
to baptize yourself into equality with the Caucasian men.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
And that's why I don't trust black men who date
white women at all.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Ever, never you go home to my enemy and you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
Don't think I know, you telling how what we just
talked about, because you got to remember the black man
knows he's always at the mercy of her

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