Dr Umar On Candace Owens Death Threats + Deion & Shedeur Sanders + Target Boycott + FDMG SHUT DOWN

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As you know, they had a boycott of Target people
all across the country or boycotting Target.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Target is one of several companies that has scaled back
DEI efforts following orders to do so from the Trump administration.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
It is not because of terrorifts. It is because of
the power of black unification.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Taking our people from Target to Costco is not a
win because you're taking them from Target, who exploited their
black dollar, and you now give them to another corporation
that's going to exploit their black dots.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
What they should have done with their influence is they
should have I want to get you and Candice Ons
on stage.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Put on the stage whatever you wanted to be, and
I will conduct the intellectual execution. A black woman giving
her vagina to a caucasion is an insult to the ancestors.
You went outside the community for your mate, and I
got to ask you why, and I'm going to have
some follow up questions. You're not going to convince me

(00:55):
that your Doors Sanders was the one hundred and forty
fourth best player. He was five guaranteed, not just your door.
A lot of the Colorado players went lower than they
should have, and.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
You know what they say that Donald Trump is making
it popular to be publicly racist. It is this that
gave birth to a Marcus Golf. It is this that
gave birth to a Frederick Duck. Let's get an army
of slaves defeated the greatest general the white man ever had.
So when I tell you, America wouldn't be America without

(01:26):
black people, America wouldn't be America without blackness.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
The thing.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
If you ain't talking no door to name in. Look,
they say, this guys the limb, and I'm going farther
than that. She get doing on my phone, So I
called it on, Mama, come and get your daughter back.
They just want a little better than get them boys
wag or what lew.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
And I boys sha brain, but get all that. They said,
this guy's the limb.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
I'm going fall though they can try to but can't kim.
I'm bad.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
I just bought it life as in did.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Decide come with that auto?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
You lazy?

Speaker 1 (01:57):
The reason you broke you don't know how to hustle
it red.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
I'm thinking to the bullets as bull because he never
felt want to stick into the wilds and nail gun right,
Doug on a nail.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Something much respect to Pastor Jamal Bryant, much respect to
Reverend Sharpton. As you know, they had a boycott of Target. Yes,
nothing was wrong with that because Target needed to know
you don't mistreat black people.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Still get our money.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
And as a result of that boycott, Target has lost
hundreds of millions of dollars. They on the Day on Life.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
So the reactionary intervention by Pastor Bryant and Reverend Sharpton,
I support it. Target need to be taught a lesson
my constructive criticism because I respect them, my constructive criticism
for both gentlemen. You gave us the reactionary that's the boycott,

(03:02):
but now you got to do something proactionary that benefits
black people.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yes, where is that.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
win because you're taking them from Target, who exploited that
that's going.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
To exploit that black dollar. Right.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yes, yes, what they should have done, and this is
why black leadership gets criticized. What they should have done
with their influence is they should have created a megamart
for the black community. Our Sharpton has the following Pastor
Jamal Bryant has the following, why not come together and

(03:45):
give our people a black alternative? Why are we leaving
our people choosing between two white alternatives, neither of which
really gives a damn? So we broke target, no problem.
I stand with you. But now we're going to go
in Rich Costco. What are they doing so great that
they deserved the black dollar? Not much at all. Where

(04:06):
is the black alternative? And this is why LOOM people
criticize black leadership because we're always good on the boycotting,
we're always good on the protesting, we're always good on
the embargos. But when it comes time to take that
energy and turn it into something constructive and progressive for

(04:29):
black people, you never see any solutions. I give you
another one. After every police underliving of a defenseless black person,
we had a what riot.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yes, we tore.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Down the institutions that supported police genocide, right, that's good.
But after we tore down them institutions, did we come
back into our community and build anything for the people.
Pastor Bryant and Reverend Sharpton need to build something for
the people and not just we direct our dollar from

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one white corporation to the next. I like what they did,
but that was reactionary. Necessary, but it was reactionary. Where
are their proactive solutions? Institutions are half of the solution
for you cooking today.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
That's a damn good point because that's exactly what happened.
Speaking of him Trump taking some of these statues that
I've also seen a black statue of a black woman,
they said.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
In Times Times I saw the statue. Some people think
it's harmless. I don't, and I'm gonna tell you why.
Symbolic artwork is usually focused on representing the best of
a people.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Are you following me?

Speaker 3 (05:53):
If if we had a museum with multiple pieces of
black art that was on display, then that statue won't
be a problem.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
You want to know why. It's one of many peaces, right,
But for.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
You to put what I believe is the first ever
statue of a black woman in tom Square, Why wasn't
it of a black female celebrity. Why wasn't it of
a black woman caring for her children. Why wasn't it
a black woman with her king supporting her. Why wasn't

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it of a black inventor female? We have many Why
wasn't it of a black doctor, black engineer, black business owner.
Why was it of a single black woman? Was her
hand on her hips? I don't even remember single black woman.
Look it up real quick, see if the hand look

(06:49):
up that picture was the hands on the hips. She
was not professionally dressed. She was extremely casual, slightly overweight,
braids in her hair. Definitely didn't look like somebody on
their way to work. Definitely didn't look like somebody on
their way to operate their own business. Was a hands

(07:11):
on the hips? Do you see? What does that mean
when a black woman in hands is on her hips? Stereotypically,
that's the sassy mama. Look, that's the independent. I'm on welfare,
I don't have a husband, I might have multiple kids.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Complaining, whining masculine.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
That was an insult to Black female integrity and dignity.
That did not represent the great divine feminine at all.
That was an insult, my brother, that was an insult. Wow,
you have too many black women doing too many great things.
Let me give you an example of why I consider
that an insult. Black women are the most educated population

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in America, right, the most educated. Why not at least
put a book bag on her back. Black women are
the most educated population in America. Keep the same outfit.
Put a book bag on her back. Do you know
what you're saying now, lun she's a student, she might
only be twenty, she might only be twenty one. She

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might not have a job, which is cool, but she's
on her way. Why not put a book back to
show Black women are the most educated group?

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Uh uh? I want to show a single quote unquote
independent black woman who can't find a man or a job.
That's what I want to show.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
That was an insul art is supposed to represent the
greatness of a people, the greatness of a people, like
I said, loan. If it was multiple pieces, it would
have been. Okay, that's one statue.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Standalone in Time Square, a business district. You put that
in the wealthiest business district on the planet Earth.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
You put a statue of an unemployed black woman, and
I'm not supposed to say nothing about it. First of all,
do we know who put that up there? Was that
the city? Was that a donation? Was that a local
university lecture?

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Intentionally unassumed? Because I want to know under what premises?

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Right?

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Is it temporary? Is it permanent? What is it that
I didn't understand, and that's the whole thing is, like,
what's your purpose? What's God doing? Insult have been displayed
in the same city where a contingous moment, it doesn't
say who. As the conversation intensified, criticism has emerged from

(09:30):
several angles, from those seeking to preserve the county's historical
monuments and from people wondering if the peace employed stereotypical imagery,
from critics calling the message ham fisted, but social media
has been overrun with commoners, often anonymous, hurling over racists

(09:50):
and sexist terms. The piece Grounded in the Stars was
produced in twenty twenty three by Thomas J. Price, a
London based ope sure whose work in recent years has
directly Google his name.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Google his name and put London based sculpt the Thomas Price,
London based sculptor and see if you can hit images
and see if you see his face and the reason
I'm asking you to see what race he was. Most
of the statues in this country loan of great black
heroes are made by non black artists. They do not
let our people create and craft our own heroes.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
I want to know if he was white or black.
It's not show him here's some more. If you hit
a hit image, does his face come up?

Speaker 3 (10:36):
They're showing more of his works. I wonder what he is.
Either way, it was unacceptable. He is black. Okay, he's black.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Let me see him.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Okay, I'm not gonna knock him per se. It looks
like he has several works. My question is why did
they choose that that one? Yeah, that's still a thing.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Respected him and his creativity was what they all the
wealthy times to use us and and missteps we may
have made or misrepresentations that they can now redefine right
and use that against us and say what he madely
we didn't do. Y'all male wy Symbols rule the world. Brother.
Every memory in your head is a symbol. Your brain

(11:28):
don't store information in its symbols. White Jesus symbol. Look
at that symbol. What is that telling Black girls when
they see that?

Speaker 4 (11:39):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Look at all the black female entrepreneurs we have. You
couldn't have put them up there. You know how many?
Do you realize how many different representations of black women?

Speaker 1 (11:52):
I can brainstorm right now, and that's what you give me.
And the wealthiest business district of the planet. That's an insult.
They can do that to anybody they feel. I'm almost
certain they're coming for that. I'm almost I'm almost certain.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
It makes sense because look at why they killed Michael
Jackson because he wouldn't give up the publishing the Masters,
the Beatles and Elvis.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
He would and he was trying to buy more of Yeah,
he was aggressively and so they hit him with the
child molestation when he tried to buy Marvel Comics. Imagine
if Michael Jackson would have executive produced Black Panther, oh
Man Next level.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Mike was One thing about Mike and Prince Man, it's
so interesting because they were somewhat effeminate in their public presentation.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
They were gangsters in the business. Run Bro.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
There's no rapper more gangster than Michael Jackson when it
came to business period. There's no rapper more gangster than
Prince when it comes to business.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
I remember, and it was back when we have technology
to even enforce any move. So you had to go.
When Eminem disrespect that Michael Jackson over the allegations of
sex abisse I believe this, But Mike went and bought
his publishing. Michael Jackson bought Eminem's publishing prow that's deep,

(13:14):
that's deed. But he's deep.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
But here's the problem, though, Mike and Prince should have
been collaborators instead of competitors.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Do you feel me?

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Had they worked together, Loomed, they might still be here.
You can't beat white supremacy alone. Prince was fighting solo,
Mike was fighting solo. Whitney Houston fighting solo. You see that.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
You gotta have a team. It takes armies to defeat armies. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
that's pretty. That's damn good. Daph Wow, tell you something
Puff should have done if I'm a multi billionaire mogul,
especially if I'm know I'm doing some evil shit. Bad
boy is what twenty years old going on? You were

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the first thing Puff should have done. He should have
found the ten smartest kids in Harlem and pay for
all of them to go to law school with a
contract that when you graduate, you work for Bad Boy. See,
we gotta start yourg Yeah, we don't think with the
money and the reason why why does the problem with

(14:21):
us a loan?

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Black men, in particular black women too, but especially us
Our egos have been so destroyed and cashtrated. We have
the most bruised the ego in America, and because of that,
we're constantly seeking validation.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yes, why do we date white women validation? Why do
we go to the PWY over HBCU validation? Why do
we move into the white suburb instead of standing in
the ghetto where you ain't have to pay half the
property tax validation? Why do we have to wear.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
The most expensive clothes that they make validation? Why do
black people own more Mercedes than white We own more
messainment than Why make lesson you ain't got a third
of the while validation. So until the black man conquers
his need for external validation, our egos will always be

(15:15):
used against them.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
I fight against mine because it's there. You have to, Yeah,
I have to fight it. Like nah, I was doing
some research because there was a conversation happening online. To me,
it was very alarming. It was It was in reference
to Rodney Hilton Junior, which is the grieving black father
whose son Ryan was shot dead on his crowdfunding. Did

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they not, Yes, they did. Rodney saw that bodycam footage
and snapped tragically running over Deputy Larry Henderson. The immediate
public response was outraged. Every crowdfunding page trying to raise
Rodney's defense money got immediately shut down. He barely reached
seven thousand dollars before the platform removed everything under pressure

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from law enforcement. But watch this Luigi Maloney, which is
I remember that's a white care assassinating the US health
kiss gunned down the company CEO and broad Daylight, and
all of his goal fund me type campaigns soared to
over a million dollars. He even has merchandise with his

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face on it and it's selling online. And if that's
not enough, the white woman also was on camera, yeah,
screaming at the seven year old black boy on the playground.
She made a million dollars in gofund me. I want
to speak to the digital segregation that happens in crowdfunding
and where did it start? Because I also hit his

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term floating around of black fatigue. I don't know if
you've heard that lately, Well, white people are are starting
to say we're tired of hearing black people complain and
kind of outline and point out some of the things
that they've been clarifying. Okay, the black fatigue is white
people being fatigued about black complainings, or is it black

(17:03):
people being fatigued from dealing with racism. I don't know,
I'm asking. My understanding is white people are using the
term black fatigue as to say, we're tired so white
planuffering black fatigue. Yes, the other one, we're tired of
you complaining about right right right right, right right right right,

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and so I want to kind of speak to all
of that, and we could take it however you want.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Okay, Okay, I'm gonna go with the fatigue on both definitions.
You feel me first of all three primary rules of racism,
all white people are racists, and they do not share
power with black people.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
They do not share what power. Crowdfunding is a form
of what economic empowerment? How dare you negroes?

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Whether Carmelo Anthony was right or wrong don't matter to them.
Whether Rodney Hinton was right or wrong, don't matter to them.
Why do you think you can come to white people
and use our platform to empower yourself? The Frederick Douglass

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and Marcus Golfee Academy loom We was a go fund
me platform.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
They shut us down. Oh, they showed without a reason.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Why Because I am not gonna help you build some
independent black school that you're gonna use to liberate and
emancipate black minds so they could compete with us for
power over this society.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Are you crazy?

Speaker 3 (18:42):
The question, Loom isn't whether or not there is crowdfunding discrimination.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Of course it is.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
But you know what the bigger question is, after four
hundred years, after four hundred and six years, why you
still expect white people to help you empower yourself against them.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Equality is a sin. Equality is a sin. Equality eliminates
white privilege. America is built on white privilege. So I'm
not surprised at all. And I want to say this
for the people who felt like Rodney Hinton was wrong

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in running over the quote unquote innocent officer.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Some people nigroes included are saying this would have only
been justice if Rodney Hinton would have unalived the officer
who unalived his son.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
I completely disagree.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
You know why, Rodney Hinton was not at war with
a single officer. Rodney Hinton was at war with a
corrupt police system. His son was not alived by a
single officer. It might have been a single officer that

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fired to kill shot. His son was unlived by a
corrupt police department with a history of murdering black people
without accountability. So we are fighting institutions and systems, not individuals.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
And also what I find interesting is is America gets
this amnesia that if you strike one eyes, I've heard
America come out and say, somebody else gonna raise your
children for doing what you've done. So they look at.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
What they did as a result of the fabricated accusations
of ninet eleven. That's what I'm saying. They went when
America bombs could never targets the military, they target civilians.
Do you know how much blood is on the hands

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of America for murdering innocent women and children in other countries?
And you got the audacity to say that he should
have found the exact officer. I'm not happy about the
loss of life and if the man was a half
decent person, with condolences to the family, But we not
fighting individuals. We are fighting systems and when and here's

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the thing, it don't matter what cop would have chased
his son, he was going to get shot because that's
their policy in dealing with black men. So he was
not wrong in what he did. And I'll tell you
this with Rodney Hinton with Carmelo Anthony, they have shifted
the conversation. Their courage has shifted the conversation. What do

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I mean? A black father takes it upon himself to
unallow an officer after having his son unlived, We're not
used to that. A young black boy takes it upon
himself to defend his life from two racist twins who
are trying to brutalize him.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
We're not used to that.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
And the reason we're not used to that, looon is
for four hundred and six years, White America has always
had absolute jurisdiction over the black body. You see this
sometimes when you out and about living your life, sometimes
you have to tell white people, I need you to
back up, I need you to get off my porch,
I need you to take your hands off my child.

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White people don't have boundaries with us, because for the
first two hundred and forty six years of this four
hundred and six they owned us. So we have to
re establish safe space with them. Rodney Hinton did that,
Carmelo Anthony did that, and guess what, just like with Emmettil,
just like with Malcolm, just like with any of our martyrs,

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not to put them on that level. But yet and
still it's the same type of a situation. Now, when
white kids go to bully a black child, you better
think twice. Now, when a police officer in Cincinnati goes
to unliva black kid, you sure he ain't got no father,
Because Rodney Hinton just put a new idea into the
universe on how to deal with police brutality. And as

(23:19):
much as people want to denigrate it, all behavior, I'm
a psychologist, which train this loop. All behavior is a
function of its consequences.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Everything. How do you train your dog? Consequences? How do
you train your employees? Consequences?

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Rodney Hinton just show you you want the police to
stop killing your children until they feel pain, you will
never stop feeling pain.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
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Let's get back to the show. And you've always said
that at some point blood may have to be shitit.
Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
What have we ever gotten in American society that we
did not bleed for? We bled for freedom, We bled
for the Civil Rights Act, we bled for the Civil
Rights Bill, we bled in black power.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Everything else is an illusion. Everything else is an illusion.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
They say, no Congress passed the thirteenth Amendment that was
celebratory in symbolic. We had already bled. That's just them
trying to reassert their control over the narrative.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Abraham Lincoln didn't free us, we freed him. Read the
white generals in the Civil War said, if it wasn't
for the Negro America be do countries today a union
and confederacy?

Speaker 3 (26:30):
And if we can redo history loan. One of the
things I wish we would have redone when Roberty Lisa
rendered to Ulysses S. Grant at the Appomatics Courthouse in Virginia.
I think that was April fourth, eighteen sixty five, right.
I wish black men would have said, you know what,

(26:51):
if we can beat the Confederacy for Abraham Lincoln, maybe,
just maybe we can beat Abraham Lincoln too. Loom, what
if we would have said, you know what, we not done.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
We took the South, let's take the North. Yet.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Imagine if we would have done it. I don't know
if we would have won or not, but history was
on our side. If we can shut down the Southern states,
why couldn't we shut down the South? Sometimes, brother, we
don't believe in ourselves enough.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
You feel me. Sometimes we don't believe in ourselves. But
it's crazy because they'll on one end say how dysfunctional
we are and how disillusion we are, and then they
won't point to the facts that but we had to
go in there and fight that fight that y'all didn't
have the ability to fight.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
We had wrestle it down or reason America America, not
just with the Civil War, Brother, let's go before the
Civil War. Let's go to the Louisiana purchase. Do you
know that this country is three times the size it
was because the Haitian Revolution, with the silent overture on
John Jack Desks and christoph and Petian and see Fati

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Man and Bookmon and Makandal, when they destroyed Napoleon's army,
a slave army, distreeted, defeated the greatest general the white
man ever had. An army of slaves defeated the greatest
general the white man ever had. And because the Haitian
Revolution bankrupted Napoleon, he sold his American territories to America

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for pennies on the die. Remember that Louisiana purchase loan
quadruple the size of the United States of America. So
when I tell you America wouldn't be America with our
black people, America wouldn't be America with That's the fact.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Now back to the crowdfunded thing. Who started? In your opinion,
where did this start? As it pertains to, when what
what as it pertains to, what could be considered as
a heinous act takes place? Didn't the racist or the
people on one side of or another throws their financial

(29:02):
might behind something to try to.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Take a stand. I think it was Michael Brown in
Ferguson or Zimmerman was their crowdfunding for Zimmerman.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
I believe that's where it started. Brown popularized it because
with the Mike Brown case, you had an officer who
unlived an unarmed child and they left his body in

(29:34):
the street for hours. And the evidence in the Michael
Brown case because there were witnesses. Remember with Tray Vn
I don't think we had any witness. Michael Brown, you
had witness So it was obvious that this was an execution, yes,
And so when black people saw white people rush to

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the defense of the white officer with obvious evidence and
eye witness testimony that he unallowed that young man unnecessarily,
that's when crowdfunding really became what it became. And I
think crowdfunding helped black people to see how racist white people,
like the American racial identity crept right into.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Crowd And do you know why it's the same thing
with social media or Twitter.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Or voting and all of this, right, because well, but
it's just it's just overt in the money.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Because why I'm able to be racist, but you don't
necessarily see who I am.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Do you feel me?

Speaker 3 (30:37):
When I go into the booth to vote against reparations,
I can be racist, but you don't know how I voted.
When I donate one thousand dollars to these police killers.
I can be racist, but you never see my face.
Whenever white people are able to manifest, When white people
are able to manifest their racism and not be seen,

(31:01):
you really.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
See who they are because it's clearly. Look at Shilo Hendricks.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
She caught a five year old disabled child the inn
word for going in a bag. White kids going bags too.
You feel me? It was an innocent kid. He don't
know nothing about no thief. He of autism and guess
what white folks said, what we don't care? And if
it's one thing black people need to understand, loom and

(31:27):
I think it's one of the benefits of the Trump administration,
although I don't support him or his administration. Donald Trump
is making it popular to be publicly racist again. You
feel me, You feel like he's making it popular. He said,
We're gonna take Harriet Tubman off the website.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Man, they doing some bro.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
We're gonna take Mega Evers off the national military Cemetery website.
We're gonna go into the Smithsonian National Africa an American
Museum and anything in there that shows how brutally racist
America was the blacks.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
We're taking it out. All the Civil War statues that
y'all took down back in the twenty fifteen Charston killing
of Dylan Ruth when he murdered the Charston Nine, Yes,
were putting them statues back up. South African refugees. If
you don't like the fact that the blacks in South
Africa taking the land that your ancestors stole from them,

(32:29):
you can come over and be a refugee. Donald Trump
has made it safe to be a bigot. Did you
see the executive order he signed on the police that
Donald trummunity. It's not the word immunity, it's called unleashing
America's law. And for unleashing, he's basically saying, go get active.

(32:53):
You can.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Basically what he's saying, you can kill blacks and you
do not have to worry about being held accountable. With
that being said, though, Loom, as a historian, a part
of me is saying we gotta embrace this now. Some
black people say, what the hell, doctor Umar talking about
embrace how we being dehumanized and push You know why

(33:15):
you gotta embrace it because it is these types of conditions.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Do you feel me in atmosphere? Thank you? What did
I say earlier?

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Everything in the universe is created from positive and negative force.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
You see that.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
We fought again slavery because we had no choice. We
fought for civil rights, we had no choice. The racism
became so intense that we got to a point loom
when we said, you know what, we might die anyway,
so we might as well stand up and fight.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
That's what's happening right now.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
America is eliminating all the conveniences it has given to
black people in this society and we're now getting to
a point loom where it's like, what am I living for?
And when people get desperate, they become courageous. This is
exactly the type of atmosphere you need. It is this
that gave birth to a Marcus Golfy. It is this
that gave birth to a Frederick Douglas. It is this

(34:12):
that gave birth to a human Newton. It is this
that gave birth to an h Rap Brown. It is
this that gave birth to the freedom riders in the
city movements, You understand me. So this is exactly what
you need for black people to get up off they
ask and struggle. What did Frederick Douglas said? If there
is no struggle, there is no progress.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Do you think what's your feelings on him rolling back
the DEI stuff? It didn't benefit us at all. D
I never benefited black.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Four percent of DEI hires were black four four percent.
So my question to you, homosexuals, white women, non black immigrants,
do you feel me physically handicapped non blacks? Remember, is
everything except white male Let me give you an example.

(35:09):
Much respect to Pastor Jamal Bryant, much respect to REVERENDL.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Sharpton.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
As you know, they had a boycott of Target. Yes,
nothing was wrong with that because Target needed to know
you don't mistreat black people.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Still get our money.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
And as a result of that boycott, Target has lost
hundreds of millions of dollars a.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Day on life.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Right, So the reactionary intervention by Pastor Bryant and Reverend Sharpton.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
I support it.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Target need to be taught a lesson my constructive criticism
because I respect them. My constructive criticism for both gentlemen
you gave us the reactionary that's the boycott. But now
you got to do something proactionary that benefits black people.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yes, where is that?

Speaker 4 (36:02):
Right?

Speaker 3 (36:03):
win because you're taking them from Target, who exploited that
that's going to exploit.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
That black dollar. Right.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yes, yes, what they should have done and this is
why black leadership gets criticized. What they should have done
with their influence is they should have created a megamart
for the black community. Our Sharpton has the following. Pastor
Jamal Bryant has the following. Why not come together and

(36:39):
give our people a black alternative? Why are we leaving
our people choosing between two white alternatives, neither of which
really gives a damn? So we broke Target, no problem,
I stand with you, But now we're going to go
in rich Costco.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
What are they doing so great that they deserve the
black dollar? Not much at all. Where is the black alternative?
And this is why LOOM people criticize black leadership because
we're always good on the boycotting, we're always good on
the protesting. We're always good on the embargoes.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
But when it comes time to take that energy and
turn it into something constructive and progressive for black people,
you never see any solutions.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
I give you another one.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
After every police underliving of a defenseless black person, we
had a what riot.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yes, we tore.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Down the institutions that supported police genocide, right, that's good.
But after we tore down them institutions, did we come
back into our community and build anything for the people.
Pastor Bryant and Reverend Sharpton need to build something for
the people and not just redirect our dollar from one

(37:55):
white corporation to the next. I like what they did,
but that was reacttionary necessary, but it was reactionary. Where
are the proactive solutions? Institutions are half of the solution
for you cooking today?

Speaker 1 (38:12):
That's a damn good point because that's exactly what happened.
Speaking of him Trump taking some of these statues that
I've also seen a black statue of a black woman,
they said.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
In Times I saw the statue. Some people think it's harmless.
I don't, and I'm gonna tell you why. Symbolic artwork
is usually focused on representing the best of a people.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Are you following me.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
If we had a museum with multiple pieces of black
art that was on display, then that statue won't be
a problem.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
You want to know why. It's one of many peaces.
But for you to.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Put what I believe is the first ever statue of
a black woman in Tom Square. Why wasn't it of
a black female celebrity. Why wasn't it of a black
woman caring for her children. Why wasn't it a black
woman with her king supporting her. Why wasn't it of

(39:23):
a black inventor female? We have many Why wasn't it
of a black doctor, black engineer, black business owner? Why
was it of a single black woman? Was her hand
on her hips? I don't even remember single black woman.
Look it up real quick, see if the hand look
up that picture was the hands on the hips. She

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was not professionally dressed.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
She was extremely casual, slightly overweight, braids in her hair,
Definitely didn't look like somebody on their way to work.
Definitely didn't look like somebody on their way to operate
their own business. Was a hands on the hips? Do
you see?

Speaker 3 (40:06):
What does that mean? When a black woman hands is
on her hips? Stereotypically that's the sassy mama. Look that's
the independent.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
I'm on welfare, I don't have a husband, I might
have multiple kids. Complaining, whining masculine. That was an insult
to Black female integrity and dignity. That did not represent
the great divine feminine at all. That was an insult,
my brother, that was an insult. Wow, you have too

(40:35):
many Black women doing too many great things. Let me
give you an example, Loom, of why I consider that
an insult. Black women are the most educated population in America, right,
the most educated. Why not at least put a book
bag on her back? Black women are the most educated
population in America. Keep the same outfit, put a book

(40:57):
bag on her back. Do you know what you're saying now, Loom.
She's a student, she might only be twenty, she might
only be twenty one. She might not have a job,
which is cool, but she's on her way.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Why not put a book back to show Black women
are the most educated group.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Uh Uh? I want to show a single quote unquote
independent black woman who can't find a man or a job.
That's what I want to show.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
That was an insul Art is supposed to represent the
greatness of a people, the greatness of a people, like
I said, loan. If it was multiple pieces, it would
have been Okay, that's one statue standalone in time Square,
a business district. You put that in the wealthiest business
district on the planet Earth. You put a statue of

(41:44):
an unemployed black woman. And I'm not supposed to say
nothing about it. First of all, do we know who
put that up?

Speaker 1 (41:49):
There? Was that the city? Was that a donation? Was
that a local university? Yes? Because I want to know
under what premises?

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Right?

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Is it temporary? Is it permanent? What is it? That's
I didn't understand. And that's the whole thing is like,
what what's your purpose? What's y'all doing? Insult have been
displayed in the same city where a contingentous moment, it
doesn't say who. As the conversation intensified, criticism has emerged

(42:23):
from several angles, from those seeking to preserve the county's
historical monuments and from people wondering if the piece employed
stereotypical imagery, from critics calling the message ham fisted, but
social media has been overrun with commoners, often anonymous, hurling
overt racists and sexist terms. The piece, grounded in the

(42:48):
Stars was produced in twenty twenty three by Thomas J. Price,
a London based sculpture whose work in recent years has
directly his name.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Google his name and put London based sculpt the Thomas Price,
London based sculptor and see if you can hit images
and see if you see his face and the reason
I'm asking you to see what race he was. Most
of the statues in this country loom of great black
heroes are made by non black artists. They do not
let our people create and craft our own heroes.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I want to know if he was white or black.
It's not showing. Here's some more.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
If you hit a hit image, does his face come
up there? Of his works? I wonder what he is?
Either way?

Speaker 1 (43:37):
It was unacceptable. He is black, Okay, he's black. Let
me see him.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Okay, I'm not gonna knock him per se. It looks
like he has several works. My question is why did
they choose that.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
One, that one that's still a thing. It's still a
thing expected him in his creativity. That was what they
all the wealthy times to use us and and missteps
we may have made, or misrepresentations that they can now
redefine right and use that against us and say.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Well, no he made we didn't do y'all male, Why
symbols rule the world? Brother, Every memory in your head
is a symbol. Your brain don't store information in its symbols.
White Jesus symbol. Look at that symbol. What is that
telling black girls when they see that?

Speaker 4 (44:33):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Look at all the black female entrepreneurs we have. You
couldn't have put them up there. You know how many
do you realize how many different representations of black women?
I can brainstorm right now, and that's what you give me.
And the wealthiest business district on the planet.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
That's an insult. Yeah, definitely, sure, do me a favorite. Sanchez,
pass me that bottle of water sticking out there.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
The grounded and the stars are installation and Times Square
was funded.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
About to read that. Yeah, he did, like an interview.
What do you put the statue up? Okay, next to
it and usual statue. I'll tell you something. It might be,
it might be on the ground, but put that in
the park. White people pay for this New York City

(45:34):
Department of Cultural Affairs, and then.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
That was the protection. Y'all can't say nothing because y'all
did it. One thing about the Caucasian brother. They have
always been consistent, do you feel me? They have always
been the one thing we can't take from them, consistency.
That's why we have no excuses because they've never misrepresented
who they are are, never in four hundred years.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
He looks like he could be mixed racist. Yeah, he
could be mixed race, or even a rap.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Because the brother who played Bob Marley and One Love,
I thought he was a brother.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Nah, he a rap? The brother who played by Marley,
I thought, yeah, he do. I thought he was a brother.
They like now Doggy a rap it is, but it
ain't African. You know. They don't like us. They don't
like it. He might he might be mixed race. He

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definitely something going on.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
And so insulting you in plain view, man, And that's
the best way to insult you, specially because.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Then you have Negro ros argued about it like yeah,
it's like bro, think about it? What is that?

Speaker 3 (46:58):
And for a lot of Black women what I say earlier,
because we have the most bruised egos in American history,
we're constantly seeking validation. Some Black people so overcome with
joy that they can be seen in Tom Square no
matter how will completely ignore the racial symbolism in that

(47:22):
statue right there, Tom Square.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Wow, I'm gonna tell you this, where they put it
is more important than what they put. Do you understand me?

Speaker 3 (47:31):
The fact that it's in Tom Square means more than
a statue itself, because if that same statue was outside
of a public.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
School park, Ah Water Fountain.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Nah, the wealthiest business district in America, We're gonna put
a statue that suggests this woman is unemployed? Otherwise why
she dressed like that? And Tom Square, do.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
You think that he, the guy who made it, Thomas
had any I don't think he had any ill intent,
he had any any any power to depict what statue
he wanted to pick or did they find a statue
they found represented that agenda and then reverse engineer probably
asked them. But I think he was so happy to

(48:16):
be paid, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, we'll talk about yea,
how much you got for that.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Some stand We had the same conversation when we talked
about Dion s We're goin to get to him right now.
When I said, listen, I believe that the American white
power structure needed to get Dion Sanders out of Jackson
State because they knew the Supreme Court was going to

(48:45):
strike down affirmative action in college, which puts black colleges
in hot water for giving black students preference and admissions
over non black students. And if Dion was still at Jackson,
he may have been forced by the black community to
speak up and speak out on behalf of the legacy
of the HBCU. So they got the University of Colorado

(49:07):
to give him an offer he couldn't refuse to get
him up out of there, and he took it, which
to me was an act of political betrayal. It's in
the past now, right, But the point that I'm making
is they know that most of us can be bought.
We always had, and we'll go and we'll go because
we have no loyalty to race.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Remember they took out race and gave us religion. See
remember black people never had a period of healing and
reclamation loom. So when slavery ended, they didn't say, here's
a university you're gonna go to for one year and
you're gonna be reminded of who you were before we
took you to Africa.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
You feel me, this was how you ate. This is
how you got married, This is how you solved your problems,
This is how you raised your children, this is how
you worshiped your God.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
We didn't.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
The only thing they had waiting for us after slavey
was that Bible in that Koran, and so religion became
everything to Black people because we had no culture. See,
in most people, they have culture, they have religion, and
they influence each other. Yes, you see that they influence
each other, and in most cases culture takes precedents. You
will rarely go anywhere in the world, go anywhere in

(50:23):
the world a raps Chinese, East Indians. Very rarely will
you see somebody eliminate an aspect of culture because it
disagrees with what the religion. They will modify the religion
to support the culture. We have forgotten our culture and
so we over emphasize religion to make up for that fact.

(50:45):
In other words, our religion, viewed from a certain perspective,
has actually been one of our biggest problems. Because we
don't know how to put it to the side and
use the active intelligence of our own minds to solve
our problems, we often fall into a religious a religious
uh falsification of African consciousness if you will, and we

(51:10):
got to get out of that.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah, I want to. I want to spend some time
on Dion. I think we had a very explosive debate
about Dion when he did leave the HBCU and we
did it at an HBCU. And before we get to Don,
let's address Candice Ons. Last time you were here, you
put a challenge out for Candace Ons. I want it.
Not a challenge, but I'm willing to debate will challenge. Yeah,

(51:33):
not a challenge, but I don't really have the debate
or not. Yeah, it ain't a challenge. I put you
put it out there, and I said, yeah, if it
presents itself, I'll do it right because and and and
I and I and I want to. That's why I
want to speak about it. Because it wasn't a challenge
from Umar, right, it was. It was something that I
wanted to see happen. Yes, two brilliant people in their

(51:54):
own and it wasn't the first time that that had
been brought them right. And so for me knowing that
Candace was in that, as I say, Yo, it should
be an easy thing. We're doing this at an HBCU.
It's I heart medium. This should be a slam dunk
and they went dark. And so I don't know what

(52:15):
is there a beef between you and Candice? Is there
something you may don't know that's going on. There may
be something I don't know because I'm wondering. I mean,
the only thing I said, and this is recent, this
is way after our conversation, but the only thing that
I well, I definitely said that on my Mount rushmore
of coons, she would have one of them spaces. Okay,
I'm not even said that in our conversation because I

(52:36):
don't think she's in she's an advocate of the black community.
I think she acts like she invites these conversations the
same way you do. You stand on your square. I
invite whoever your Candice Ons, your Mark Lemont's, your peers,
come correct when you come. But just I ain't worry
about your coming. I see what you're saying. And so
my thing is, it's like black owned platform sign May

(53:00):
Julie signed with our heart, trying to do it in
front of an HBCU. I was trying to like we
would have been doing. I was trying to bring umar
Candace owns in front of an HBCU and have a conversation.
Maybe it's the venue she don't want HBCU. I own
the college campus. I've just been here. I owned the

(53:21):
college campus. I was really amazed by this bro Like,
I'm like, it's no way that I'm bro. It literally
had me to you know what it could be. I'm
talking about I DMed it, she's seen it.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
I see what she's saying. But I'm gonna tell you this,
but it could be something really simple. It may have
nothing to do with intimidation or fear at all. You
know what it could be because I think it's the
case with Shannon shap I think the case is that
we have to have the snow bunny conversation. Candace Owns
is married to a Caucasian mail You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Now, it's the snowbody conversation on the table. But what
it gotta be what about the daughter conversation?

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Its two different things because I'm not talking about what
her husband does or his character, you understand, Just like
with RG three and Ryan Clark, Ryan ain't discussing nothing
about your wife, who she is, No the fact you
married outside the community. It's nothing personal against something. You understand,
nothing personally gets your beautiful baby. You understand you went

(54:21):
outside the community for your mate, and I got to
ask you why.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
And I'm going to have some follow up questions. You
follow what I'm saying. I think it's just that because
there's no way I'm sitting down with any snow bunny
hopper and not bring it and not bring it up.
I can't do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that makes sense.
I mean, I don't know, man, I'm almost like I
told I told alhard one more time. Like, see what
she says, Like I'm not I see her going Jason Lee,

(54:48):
I see her Goldie. I'm saying, what is she ducking? Umar?
And I say that respectfully, like I'm literally I'm literally
tooking back, bro, Like I'm tooking back. I took Kendice
to be a scholar, like I took her to be
someone that could defend her talking points, address any issues.
She is intelligent. Yeah, so for me, I'm saying something

(55:08):
is But if you're standing on the wrong side of
the community, you know, for me, credentials and intelligence aside,
I'm standing on the right side of the argument for
the people you feel me And so there's a certain
energy that just comes with that. Yes, yes, you know
what I mean. So you for sure I'm going again.
I want this to happen to fans, was bro. They

(55:30):
was tagging that it was going crazy. Oh so you
posted it publicly last did you said you're in boxer?
I did it all like our last when we actually
dropped the last episode. Your fans took that ship and
was like, Canda, can this can this? Can this? Can
hitting her? Yeah? And then I hit her and then
I found I told I hard to hit her manager.

(55:52):
They found her manager and they hit him, and then
I followed a manager and then I hit the manager.
I'm like, what is like? What is this? And it's
in this town, Bro, it doesn't require travel, it doesn't
require I see what you're saying. Something is very convenient.
Something is there and I'm wondering what it is.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
But we'll REWI I'm gonna give you something else that
may have nothing to do with Candae. I don't know
her relationships. I don't know her sponsors, but I suspect
that in her army of sponsors, there may be people
who are fearful of two things. Number One, if you

(56:38):
lose in this debate as a conservative to this revolutionary
pan africanist. Do you dim the brand and the power
of the conservative movement?

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Right?

Speaker 3 (56:57):
In other words, they're looking at collateral damic and even
more than that, loon, what did we just speak of earlier?
White people don't believe in empowering blacks. I have my
own followership right separate from her large. Yes, and she
hers is large exactly. But if doctor Umar definitively destroys you,

(57:20):
do you know what we just did for what he
stands for? Because she got a lot of feminists, what
if I changed their minds?

Speaker 1 (57:28):
She got a lot of black you feel me?

Speaker 3 (57:30):
They looking at collateral damage, and for that reason alone,
they might say we can't.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
You're saying that she's turned into the corporate structures, like
you say, and Cannis owns is a part of the
corporate structure, Yes, the conservative corporate structure. Absolutely. Wow, Okay
she is to the conservatives, well Roland Martin is to
the liberals almost like what was the white guy name
the black mouthpiece? What was the white guy named that

(57:59):
was the conservative? And he was black white guy. He
was famous for a while and kind of fell off.
Bill O'Reilly was okay, O'Reilly, Those rights like they're attached
to They seem like cards. But it's like, now you're
really attached to this thing at the hill. Yeah, you
know what I mean, you prime time with this, you know,

(58:19):
so I guess man will will try to read you.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Gotta remember they protect their mainstream personalities against unapologetic blacks.
Me and Al Sharpton was supposed to be on the
same program at the University of the District of Columbia.
This is about ten years ago, maybe seven or eight

(58:41):
years ago, right, No, it's more than more than seven.
I'm gonna say eight, nine or ten years ago. Me
and Al Sharpton was supposed to be on this. It
wasn't a debate, but it was a conversation about the
state of black America. He had just released a book, too, right,
He sent his books, but he did not show up.
And you know, I was ready because I ain't letting back. Man,

(59:04):
I'm going at you, your donors and everything. You feel
me and you got to realize them type nick girls
they talk it.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Yeah, they ducked that smoke though they don't want it
with somebody who real because I ain't got nothing. You Also,
they cannot whoop on you with the intellection. You know
we're gonna be healing with it. But then you got
to you gott Yeah you got my whole life. Yeah, bro,

(59:31):
you ain't getting over. You got your attributes. So like
even with someone like a Mark Lamont, he's a Skyla,
he's pretty smart. He don't got to fun swedeough, he
don't got to You got this here, man, You got
I'm telling you one of us. You just wait to
the other side, you know what I'm saying, to the
scholar side, which we respect. But it's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
And the words of sister Sheryl from Milwaukee, Wisconsin, who's
the first person to bring me there. She said, when
I first met you, I was surprised as I did
not know that you were a North Philly, a Garvyykee

(01:00:13):
preacher with North Philly swag.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Her what it is? A garvy ike preacher with North
Philly swag, That's what she said. And I love it
so much. I appreciated. My mom loves you, like I
told you. All these people, all the elders, bro, they
love you, bro, and then the youngest love you. You
see you pop up on streams like people really embrace you,
don't I'm not sure Candic could be on the stream.

(01:00:36):
I'm not sure that world even invites. That's what I'm saying.
Your range, bro, shoot three, you could Dunkey you can.
Your range is just impeccable. God is the greatest I'm
dealing with. Let's go back to Dione Sanders, because, like
I said, we had a monumental conversation about Dion leaving

(01:00:57):
HBCUs we are seeing his depart Archer reflected in how
many people were drafted, which is a direct correlation to
how many eyes are on the games and how they well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Remember, they also sabotaged the draft class out of Colorado,
not just your door. Don't you think from what I
saw something that you know needs to be clarified. But
it said that a lot of the Colorado players went

(01:01:31):
lower than they should have because the power structure of
the NFL wanted to teach Dion a lesson. You're not
going to convince me that your Door Sanders was the
one hundred and forty fourth best player. You understand that
he was top five guaranteed, yes, But they had to
do that to sabotage his money loan. Because if you

(01:01:53):
are top five, you're guaranteed at least forty million, and
see in a career, damn now you that's two or
three chances and you only get more money. So for
them to drop that man from a forty million dollar
pay day to approximately four million dollar pay day, don't
get me wrong, they fine, he got nil deals, but
that was disrespectful. And the way they did it Loan

(01:02:15):
to just keep having hanging and hanging and hanging. And
you know why they did that, so that they could
get the viewership because they knew everybody only cared about
three people in that job, Cam Woord, Travis Hunter, and
show Door Sanders. So not only are we going to
sabotage your draft day to humiliate you and your father,
were gonna use years press as press. And then after

(01:02:37):
he got drafted, they pinned his picture in the Cleveland
Browns Jersey onto their website for more clicks and views,
exploit it the shit out that boy Loan and then
disrespected him. At the same time, as I've already said,
I wish they would suit an NFL, I know they

(01:02:57):
not because.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
He wants to play.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
And this gets into a whole other conversation, not about
the Sanders, but about us in Black America, how we
raise our children with regard to what should you value?
Because if that's my son, we soon off the table.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
If the career over, the career over, because that right there,
we can't walk that on it. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
But when you when your whole life is football and
your whole life is blasketball, and that left.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
HBCU for this moment. You really that's what we were speaking
about last time, is that because our debate was you
were saying, Yo, it's bigger than him. We got a
bigger than him constructure. I was bigger to him. Yo,
Dion doing this for his son to make sure he
go pro make sure he get in a good spot.
And it ultimately didn't work out. It didn't work no
way that we intend.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
And just like you just said, it's bigger than them,
the white man said the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
He said, the NFL is bigger than the Sanders.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
And we can't let this young man walk in here
with a father who's a coach at a major university,
who's already popular, already got an nl deal. If we
let him walk in here and dictate what we do
on this plantation, on this slave plantation, that we own.
If we let this slave do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
What he wants tomorrow, all the slaves will do what
they want. That was the perfect example of a public
lynching in order to reassert control over the plantation. It
was wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
I'm a sure Doors Sanders fan. I even want Dion
to do well now because what's in the past is
in the past. But this was a good lesson that
you are always a Nigro and don't you ever forget it.
Anything you are, We made you, and we'll take it
back if we have to do. You think him that
was a whipping right, you know you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
We spoke about it and basically classified it as him
abandoning the mission. As it pertains to HB. He did
abandon he did in Jackson State. Let's let's really imagine
where they would be, right, how many young men probably
would have came that way went pro he had more
control and it was just it was.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
What you're talking about is a classic discussion that we
as black men have had and will continue to have,
and that is over what matters more your personal success
or the long term success of your people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
And then what I guess it hurts even more when
you sell it out like all right now, But I
got to think about my son and then it don't
even do it for your son, but it definitely would
have done it for the HBCU had Man, if you
would have stayed in Jackson State, Man, the effects would
have been profound. Brother, you know what I'm saying. And
your son still would have been on your hip. Yes,
but it's just it's just I wonder do he think

(01:05:49):
about that in the back of his brain?

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Like man, if he's politically conscious. And again, I respect Dionne.
I think he's one of the greatest athletes of all time.
He's the only human being ever to play in a
World Series and a Super Bowl. You follow me, But
he's Muhammad Ali without the political consciousness and the racial loyalty,
and Muhammad Ali was Dion Sanders with the political consciousness

(01:06:13):
and the racial loyalty.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
You know, it's the bottom line.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Do we have a lot of celebrities who we love,
but they've never been loyal to the people?

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Right? Do you think his privilege should Doure I'm speaking about.
Do you think his privilege of having a famous father
and coming up the way he did, did that interrupt
his ability or will let interrupt his ambition, because that's
what the NFL was kind of trying to lean on
to some of the coaches, like he's already rich, he
got his you know why, because he wants to be

(01:06:45):
one of the greatest, because he comes from in fact,
the fact that my father was great. I come from great,
and that make me even more hungry, you feel me,
because I got something to prove, not that you devils,
but to my father. You see what I'm saying, So
that ain't got nothing to do with it. Now, we'll
give you the silver lining in this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
I don't know if Shada Sanders was racially conscious or not.
He was my favorite college football player, tremendous young man,
well spoken. I don't know how politically conscious he is.
But because they did this to him, we're going to
see this come back up somewhere in his life. It
might be after he retired and he'd coach. But I

(01:07:25):
promise you this right here, it ain't to end up right.
He will forever remember this. Yeah, you understand me, this
right here. If he didn't have a racial consciousness, he
got one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Now. I interview Brandon Marshall, and it's so interesting how
much these players put in the draft day. Man, he
thought he was gonna go like number one, two three.
Politicians fail. Brandon Marshall failed. He ended up that night
crashing out, even though he went pro he went pro h.

(01:07:58):
But his whole family was dying there. And I think
he made a win. Matter of fact, let me, I
don't want to misrepresent, because where you place the termines
that first contract? Yeah, and and so. But what was
interesting is his his reaction was much more different than
your door. And I think it's because the father figure
is in the building, right, The father figures his his
just his his availability to his son and emotional availability

(01:08:21):
has him a little more stoic, at least on the outside. Okay,
you know what I'm saying. But Brandon went up there
and punched the mir era and toe shit up. And
he was at the draft, No, he was at home
with a yeah, and so it was just he was
just so so so toe up about it. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
And but see, and much respect to Brandon Marshall, great guy,
well spoken as well, you know, but once again, why
are we raising our black boys to believe that sports
and entertainment is the most important thing in your life?

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
It's okay that you want to go to the nfl, A,
the NBA. But this should not be your priority. We
as black man, should be living for other things. It's
hard to say that when you ain't got nothing. Them
niggas coming from Shador's a little different. Brandon was coming
from nothing. He was living in a hotel at that
time with his family.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
So he's thinking, but the richest people in the world
are not athletes. This ways to make your money in
other ways. The richest people in America are realtors. You understand, yes,
so and look at how many most athletes they don't
even retire wealthy. You see what I'm saying. They exploit you,
they use you, They make you recycle your money right
back to the white folks in the circle, and you're done.

(01:09:36):
This shit is a system, just like we're rapp This
is the same shit. It's the same thing I tell
my rappers, my rapper friends because I'm high level business like,
so I tell them, like, pay attention to where they
send you. Right. They think everything is a convenience because
the labelers say, hey, we got you going to LA,
We got you a mansion out there. You know that's
going on your tab and not only on your tap.
My friend owns the mansion. So it's not casting us nothing,

(01:09:58):
but it's draining your budget. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
It's in other words, I'm spending your money for you,
and you don't even know it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
You don't even know it. You think you and they
don't know this. But I'm telling I be telling them, Yo,
pay attention that everything white viril that you dating, I
sent it to you, exactly. That's my cousin's exactly. Let
me ask you about Nil because your dr See it
seems like Nil padded a little bit of the falling
as it potent for he ain't gonna have no money problem.

(01:10:26):
Who controls this jersey? Is the number one jersey being sold?
And he went one forty four? Right? Who benefits the
most from Nil?

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
It depends on the contract structure, I'm gonna say overall, though,
because we live in a capitalist system, the sponsor always
benefits more than the sponsor. I was looking at, right,
So I was whoever he signed, they making more money
because I'm only giving you a percentage of what I'm gaining.
It doesn't benefit me to go half with you, right,
So you know what I was looking at Nil?

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Right? And so Michael Jordan is a billionaire off Nike,
so imagine how much money Nike has made killed it.
I was looking at the nil situation and what it
was explaining to me is this, it's like a it's
a it's a funny it's some funny rules with give
me some of the rules. So the NIL situation, right,
So let's just say should should owns his likeness quote unquote,

(01:11:19):
this is a quote. Now, what does likeness really mean?
My name? Well, I don't know. I don't my name
and image, but you can't produce a jersey, so what
you're gonna put the name in image? So what I
was what I my research was, are you My research
was telling me that Colorado doesn't necessarily even have to

(01:11:42):
give him anything on the n I l I think
they will. I think they will because of his jersey sales.
But they don't have to. So you don't get anything.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
You don't get anything off the college paraphernalia that's owned
by the college, and like you said, they're selling it.
Because remember, athletes don't get nothing off their jerseys. That's
team merchandise. You feel me, that's team merchant. Now, some
athletes might get a cut, like a Lebron or something,
but generally speaking, that's team merchandise.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
I didn't know that. I'm thinking. I'm thinking once they
say I own my likeness, my likeness is on their jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
So then the question becomes, how did they negotiate to
licensing for his brand?

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
If I own my name and license, that's likeness, that's
my brand. Colorado wants to sell my jersey, right, so
then that because I can license you the right to
use my name and license.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Now with the NIL, they might get a cut now,
but historically before nil you got no money from them jerseys. E. Yeah,
it might have changed now, but historically you did you
see the Fab five documentary This came.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Out almost Yeah, I think I did. I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
Jalen Rowe talked about how they used to silently protest
against Nike exploiting them because they didn't make any money
from none of that. Remember they had the Fab five Nikes,
they had the black size with the white remember that,
remember that the baggy pants. Yes, every child wanted the
Fab five Nikes. Right, they didn't even call him that,

(01:13:21):
but everybody that's the Fab fight was known as because
they wore, and he said everything Nike wanted to sell
they threw on our body, and so we would start
going out there with a plain shirt to warm up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
You see what I'm saying, plain sock. We was trying
to risk, were trying because we're being exploited.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
And we're not making no dollar. The only money being
made is the University of Michigan and Nike. Right, damn
it might have changed with nil. I wonder now that's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
They have to get research was telling what was saying
that they don't have to that they that they might
still be the same that they can that the merchandise, right,
That's what I'm saying, because.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
If I'm not mistaken with colleges football and basketball. Right
when you buy the jersey at foot Locker official Nike merchandise,
I don't think they have their names on them, just
the number?

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Am I correct? No? I got a name college college? No,
I don't think he got a name. Then they off
the hook because my likeness. But they gonna say that's
the team, like that's the team like that. That's because
I remember when I was gonna buy it Jalen Rose jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
This when the Fab five was and it was just
his number five. Everybody know that Jalen rose with them,
but his name wasn't on it. And if they name
ain't on it, you don't own it. Let me give
you an example. When somebody pays let's take the quarterback
for the Philadelphia Equals, Right, Jalen Hurts McDonald's going to
pay him to do a commercial hypothetically, right, he got
on the green jersey with his number right, without without

(01:14:55):
the logo or the team. You see that, So you
can't do nothing about it because your name on it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Everybody know that this is the egos to go without
your logoing name. We're good, right, And that's the same
show now you see like with him, he's reversing it.
It's usually what they do to them. Yes, he's done
it back. Yeah. So that's the gray area in the
n I L industry gray areas. That's the great area, right,
that's the great area. Have you heard of kasanet

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