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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo, yo yo.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
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(00:22):
CEO of the Source magazine, hip hop historian Benzino going.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
On, Bro loom Man, thanks for having me bro problem. Bro.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I appreciate you coming to having me man's honor. Yes, Lord,
how you feeling man?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Feeling good? Man? It's a good day today. Man. Men
you spot me? It spots beautiful man. I told you,
and I came in like, I'm impressed. Really nice man,
you know, nice little driver up here from the A.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
You know, yeah, I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
We're coming off. We'll get straight into it. We're coming
off the news of Julio Folio being killed on this
twenty sixth birthday. What's your thoughts on that?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
I mean, you know, I just at this point right
n you know, definitely you know, my my uh prayers
go out to his family, you know. But listen, Yeah,
I'm fifty eight, so I've been this has just been
a regular thing in my life. And it's to the
point where it's so regular that I'm wondering that it's

(01:27):
so regular to everybody that n you know, being numb
is one thing, but just the importance, like is it
even important to anybody anymore that these young guys are
dying like this, Like it's to me, it's such it's
it's it's beyond the epidemic at this point, you know,
of how many of these young guys who are pretty

(01:47):
successful make a nice amount of money from base to
where they came from, From where they came from, you know.
You know it's some of these guys. Listen, when I
was their age, I'd have to be out there and
running from police and have to be on the block
for a few months to try to make it. You know,
this when I was real young, as far as hand
to hand and everything that came with that. And it's like,

(02:09):
these guys are making good money from one song man,
they getting real money, and they just throwing their lives away.
And I just don't understand what I'm not understanding. Loing
is like we're just sitting, everybody just sitting. We're just
watching it, like there's no comprehensive, no collective conversation on

(02:35):
something has to happen, you know. I'm you know, we
was the Source magazine back then, so we had a
kind of a responsibility of being cons like one of
the gatekeepers per se, to have a say to, to
put voices out there that up with other gatekeepers and

(02:55):
other people with influence at that time. And it just
right now, it's almost like it's just a free for
all and it's chaos and nobody's saying anything about it.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, that's true. What I two things with Fulio is one,
if we go back, he just got his whole foot
ship off. His foot was just but I believe he
had some kind of probationary discrepancy with him leaving, because

(03:24):
I don't see why they still stay in the neighborhood
where they know that it's extremely hot, it's active like,
and there may be bounties on their heads or certain things.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
The politics for me would say, do what needs to
be done to try to get out of the city.
But for some reason, man, you know, almost I'm almost
certain the courts got something to do with that, I'm
almost certain as.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Far as keeping them to make sure right.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
And so it's hard to duck or get let the
beef dye, or push peace when you can't even leave
a city and it's active peace.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
That's a great point. I mean, you know they're gonna conspire,
but ultimately it's us pulling the trigger on each other. Ultimately,
you know, it's it's the fingers of our own and
you know, we can't keep blaming everybody else, although you
know me, I'm the first to jump on the judicial
system and what it's done and what it continues to do.

(04:29):
But it's like how much does the music and how
much does social media play a part in that? And
how much does the clicks and comments play a part
and hyping up and instigating things like we know, I
think there's a responsibility of all of us to like
look in the mirror and say, man like, you know,

(04:50):
like what can we know the same? Right? And it
doesn't hit you until it's somebody close to you or
until it's you, you know, And I don't know, man like,
I've been living a long time, you know, I d
I've you know, I came out the house in the seventies.
So I seen the seventies, I seen in the eighties
and nineties, and it's just I don't I've never seen

(05:12):
nothing like this, Like.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, have you been affected by the comments? Do they
affect you?

Speaker 1 (05:18):
You know? When it's I I R I had my
Space and then we went into Twitter and I'll never
forget me and Nori talk about it, and it was
like one of the first times I had Twitter. It
was like one of the first time somebody said something
to me talking, you know, and I said, and I said, man,
we you know, we can meet up. And they said, alright,

(05:40):
where do you wanna meet? And I I gave my
address and I'm you know what I'm saying, I'm suiting
up my I'm sitting out there. I'm out there for
a couple hours. Man, he don't show up. Man, Norrie
drives by and says that what the fuck you knowing
he's I said, he said, recover he said it w W.
I think it was in Miami and a and on

(06:01):
that then from see with me with me, it's I
could just be having a bad day and uh, then
you see some sucker shit on your timeline and the
way I look at it is like if I don't respond,
they just bullying me. And that's just a juvenile way
to think. You know what I'm saying, that's just an

(06:22):
immature way of thinking. I know, but I had to
Now it doesn't bother me at all, but I had
to kind of gradually get used to this type of
disrespect that people call trolling. You know, it's disrespect to me,
So you know, I had to get used to it.
And you know, like my page has been knocked down
so many times because of me because I responded, and

(06:46):
that like they'll report, like I didn't even know like
that you could report, you know what I'm saying. I
didn't necessarily I didn't understand the whole report. Like they'd
say something, I'd say something, then I guess they report,
and then you know what I'm saying. But you know,
so to be honest with you, to be really loan

(07:07):
the time I have when they do because they'll knock
my page down, I just won't even make a new one.
I'll just chill for a few months and then eventually
I'll make a new one and just you know, just
so I can see other people's situate what they're doing.
Or whatever.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Used to be mad though when they first got ye
that me.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Three hundred thousand, man, I was I was like, but
but but you know what I'm saying again, so much
has happened to me in my life. It just it
goes away quick. Like once it was gone, it was gone,
and it really didn't It really didn't change anything I
was doing, like like in my day so or in
my life. So I just continued with it. And then

(07:49):
you make another one. And even now, like the one
I got down, nobody really knows. It's been up there
for like maybe a month. They knocked me down again.
So you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't mind it.
I think being off the grid for me, you know,
is good.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
But it'll also be good if you steal head their
mother with the me doing the right thing. Of course, yeah,
because you monetize that.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Sponsors. Believe me, I understand it. Man, Like you know,
you know, like I said, you live and you learn. Man,
I'm a lot, you know a lot more self control.
Like you know, I was a firecracker in the streets.
So when you when you uh, and then usually that
street mentality, man, you grow and you don't necessarily transition

(08:35):
with the maturity until later, you know, street guys as
well as myself, don't you know that a lot of
that mentality is a more younger Okay, you're grown up young,
you grow up in your hood and you see things
a certain way. You know when if you once you
as you go older and you're still kind of in

(08:55):
the streets, you're still keeping that mentality. So that's kind
of like a younger mentality, you know. I I finally
transitioned into a older mentality, a much more mature mentality later,
you know, I probably you know, once I started hitting
in my man to be honest, in my forties, yeah,
you know what I'm saying. And and then as the

(09:15):
forties going, you learn more. I'm I'm to the point
now where it's like, you know, I I see a
lot more things slower now. Everything's not Russian, so I
can understand it better. I could take it in better,
and I could put myself, you know, I could put
myself in a position where I'm not always getting upset
over certain things or barking at every car that comes by,

(09:36):
Like you know, I'm I'm I'm learning as a as
I go along, you know.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
With that Instagram page because when you still had that
million follower page, you was on love and hip hop.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Now that's when I got the million that. I mean,
that thing went up like I had. Maybe I'll never
forget I think I was. I just I remember one
day that thing was like I I didn't watch it
grow to like three hundred and four. It just shot
up to like a million, like overnight, Like it was crazy.
And even then I didn't really even know the significance
of having a million. Okay, it was a million followed

(10:10):
like it was. I really didn't really know the significance
of it because I was just so much outside. I
really necessarily wasn't into Instagram like that. There were certain
things that as I started using, like everybody else, you're
looking at chicks. It's just something to look at women
and getting women's DMS and hollering at women. That's that's
really was the main thing before anybody started thinking about

(10:33):
monetizing or stuff like that. You know, with the Sauce magazine,
we was like the Internet.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
So that's the thing. Though you would think coming from
Sauce that you would see this and understand the value
in it, because I didn't. That's what I'm saying, but
do you think did they kick you off Love and
hip Did you get kicked off?

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Okay, so the Love and Hip Hop at the reunion
when we got to the beef at the time, I
was with my with my now my mind son's mother
out there, and you know, the fight broke out, so
out THEA had filled filed a lawsuit, you know what
I'm saying as VH one, And so that's.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
What kinda what about happen?

Speaker 1 (11:14):
That was the only that was the only fight that
I was in that. You know, That's one thing like
when I was on Love and Hip Hop, I never
I never fought. You never even seen me with two women.
Like I wasn't into none of that, Like you know, Sleeves, scrappy,
everybody was going through with the two chicks, and I
wasn't into that. Man. And even I remember when Out
THEA came on and like she just her and Collie

(11:36):
had did it same was was doing some type of
they was there at the same scene and she just
started popping off and I was like, chill, like you
ain't got no beef with her. I'm not messing with
her no more like in real life, I don't be
with that. You know what I'm saying, I wasn't. I
necessarily wasn't with all that crazy when I if people
go back and think about it, when I was on
Love and hip Hop, every time I was with the girl,

(11:57):
it was with that girl. I wasn't cheating on her.
I wasn't trying to make her look crazy or be disrespectful.
I was actually trying to be in relationships and that
that's who I was on love, you know, Love and
hip Hop until that situation out.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
So so so you think that or they told you
that the lawsuit is the reason why.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Well, I mean that is the reason why. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
They you know, I'm saying, what made your fight eligible
for a loss?

Speaker 1 (12:22):
And it wasn't even my fight. It was Johnson and
out there, you know, Johnson attacked out there.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
And then our parties been kicked off since then.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
No, no, no, no, it was just us. It was just us,
like you know, you know, I'm gonna be honest. You know,
when when when our THEA had came on, most of
them necessarily didn't like, I don't know what it was,
you know, because you know, uh, you know, Athia and
Stevie had dated and whatever the situation was. When me

(12:51):
and me and our THEA got together off camera, like
we got together in real life, you know at Atlanta's
Small we hooked up, we dated, you know what I'm saying.
I liked her a lot. We ended up going out
and then when I was the next season was coming up,
and you know, I think, I think, you know, like
they wanted really really for me to get back with Carley,

(13:14):
and I just wasn't with it. And I was like, nah,
I'm not doing it. I said, you know, I just don't.
I wasn't like when I did reality TV, everything that
happened was really happening with me. I just wasn't with
storylines and stuff they was trying to feed me. And
so I you know, I said, look, I want I'm
dating out there, And they really didn't like the idea

(13:36):
of that. Like even before out THEA came on with me,
they didn't like the idea of it. Why not, they
just didn't. They didn't. They didn't like out there, you
know what I'm saying. For some reason, Mona and Stephanie
they just wasn't like giving her a chance. And I
don't know what it was or the thing where I
don't know what it was, you know what I'm saying.
I just was like, look, I don't know, but I'm

(13:56):
dating her, So if y'all want me to shoot, this
is who I'm dating.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
So she wasn't in that universe prior to this.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
No, well she had, she had cast it for it,
and to my dolledge, they had turned her down. You
know what I'm saying before we even met, right, So
I just remember, you know what I'm saying, I told
them I was. I kind of was like it was
not necessarily an ultimatum, but it was like, look, this
is who I'm dating in real life. Season three was

(14:24):
about to get shot. They wanted me to have a
bigger role because season one or two I was little,
you know of almost nothing. Season three there was like
because you know, season two, me and Carley had got
together and stuff and like, you know, shit with me,
and that THEK came on, it was like, you know,
I was really failing her, and I was like, that's
who I want to be with. And I just think

(14:46):
like when you look at that season, it was like
I was head over heels I want to get engaged
to her. I just was like, you know, in love
with her, and I wasn't messing with no other girls,
like you know, I'm saying, I wasn't cheating on nobody.
And I just think that the producers and Mona that

(15:07):
wasn't what they thought was supposed to happen.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
And I think Mona, but they wanted spicy.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
They wanted spicy, and Mona owed her little tee to
Carley and Joscely and them not to out there. So
right there, to me, there was a separation. And you know,
even though out there and Stevie hooked up, you know,
my thing with Sleeves is like, look, I really I'm
really into her, and you know, and and we respect
each other, you know what I'm saying, So you know, happens,

(15:33):
you know what I mean. So it didn't necessarily affect
our friendship at the time. And we shot that season.
That was a season I got my mom's past, I
got shot. You know, a lot happened. I had, I
got engaged to her, and and I just didn't understand this,
Like I didn't understand why Johnson would attackle number one.
I don't understand why Mona and them kind of it

(15:56):
was kind of like a. I don't want to say conspiracy,
but they knew everything they was knowing prior to all
this would happened, and like that there was some type
of resentment. I don't know what it was. I don't
know if people was really digging me in out there
as far as TV, but it just wasn't. It was
something up with the producers that just didn't align with

(16:19):
what we me and out there was doing. Because like
I said, when I do scenes, those are my like
I do scenes for the stuff that I want to do,
and they was giving me the freedom. But I think
that when I told him I wanted to be with
her on the season, I don't think they was with
it from the jump, and I just think they set
scenes up to make it hard all ultimately leading to
the reunion. I never knew Joscen, like I ain't talked

(16:42):
to Stevie and josson a month prior to that even happened,
and that was strange to me.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
And they just got in the fighting just you see
what happened.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
She just got up, ran over and attacked her like
it was crazy to me and that you know, and
I'm like I'm looking at sleeves, like the fuck is
this because see Stevie's with all that, let the girls
fight and let them I'm not with that shit, Like, no,
let the girls fight this my girl, like I got
feelings for I don't got emotions attached. There's no fighting.

(17:10):
Why why why do they got to fight like the
same fucking uh w we, my nigga. I'm like, now, now,
if you got if that's what you want to do
with her, then let her go fight somebody else. Not
I'm your man, my nigga, Like you know what I'm saying, Like,
don't that whole shit. I didn't understand it. You know,
me and Stevie didn't talk almost a year, a year

(17:31):
and a half after that, Like we didn't have no communications.
It just was a it was a pretty dark time
and you know they had let us go that season.
Arguably I was on every single episode and you know
that was that season was like a big season for me.
That season was so big that to this day, right

(17:53):
like women all over the country, over the world come
up to me, older women that still react strongly because
of that. Really that one season, and you know when
I got shot, they said they was crying, they prayed
for me. I mean this is six, seven, eight, nine,
ten years later from that, and they still are heavy

(18:15):
like Benzino Benzino, and when they meet me, it's like
a like I could go through Nashville, any Hood, Texas,
I mean Memphis, and they're just you know what I'm saying,
it's it's and it's I'm more famous than I ever
was in my entire life right now, and it's crazy.
I can't go nowhere. But that season was such an
impactful season that women really still react to me, and

(18:38):
it's a blessing.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Man, have you tried to get back on to love him?

Speaker 1 (18:42):
There was a couple of times I remember because me
and Stevie got that cool. You know what I'm saying.
When you look at it, Ultimately, we had babies, you know,
we had both had beautiful babies, Zeno and Bond Bond
Stevie had with Johnson and I were out there and
they around the same age. They see each other, they
play with each other. You know, Zeno love Bombond, So
it's just crazy and we're not together with him now,

(19:04):
so just it was just like when you look at
all that that really was a part of our life.
And even though reality TV people think what they want.
I think those are the biggest seasons and nothing will
ever top those seasons because that all that was that
was happening was really authentic stuff, you know what I'm saying.
And you know, you got to give Stevie credit, because
if Stevie never went on, if Mona never got Mona

(19:27):
didn't cast Stevie, Mona cast Mimi, and Mimi said, yeah,
come on Stevie, and Stevie brought all that that whole
you know, Okay, you're gonna find out I'm messing with
this girl on TV that had never been done before,
you know what I'm saying, Like reality TV was really
for about women. Stevie made it about guys. He flipped

(19:47):
the tables on him, and it was the first time
that the world like actually loved somebody who really was like,
you know, kind of like going back and forth with
two women. You know, because the guys in love and
Hip hop, like their careers tumbled after that because they
be screaming on a woman or you know, I remember
I think Saigon took the girl's pocket booking through it

(20:10):
and swamed on it. Like that hurt him, you know
what I mean, Like, you know, you know, nothing against him.
But when you're being shown in that light, you know
what I'm saying that that hurt your career.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
It's awful.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, it was a hell of an experience. Man,
you know you haven't.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
But when you you say you tried a couple of
times to get back on, what's their response.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
To They wasn't with it. They wasn't with diseaster thing?
Why not?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Now why you think that?

Speaker 1 (20:35):
I mean, they just wasn't with it like it now,
you know loving, I mean, listen now, I mean in
no disrespect to anybody, but it's just not the same anymore.
Like love and hip hop. Love and hip hop is
more forced now, like they putting people together, they forcing
storylines and it's not it doesn't feel like it's real
and authentic. And I know in those years, those early years,

(20:58):
the cast they had it was these were humble times
for everybody, for the Kve Michelles and for the you
know what I'm saying, for Mama D and Eerica and
Scrappy and you know, Sleeves Josh. Like this is when
everybody was first starting out, humble and hungry. Now when
you look at everybody, everybody kind of blew up from that,

(21:19):
you know, still, you know what I mean. So I'm
grateful for the time I was on. I learned a
lot and I ended up doing like a gang of
reality shows after that. But yeah, I tried to get
back on, but you know, they just wasn't They just
wasn't with it.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Stevie been I've seen him on TMZ documentary about Diddy. Yeah,
I don't think uh, I don't think it was a
good move.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Man.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I wouldn't have talked to TMZ.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
I mean, you know, it's hard to It's hard to
it's hard to like question a man's loyalty for somebody.
You know, people gonna understand that Diddy, you know, it
was the one that really blew Stevie up, that took
Stevie like, you know, Stevie looked up to do this,
did he did? He the mogul, the record executive, the

(22:04):
guy that put everybody on. That was the Diddy that
everybody loved before artists, and he helped birth a lot
of talent to take it to the next level. Now,
I'm not gonna get into the contracts and the moneies
and everything, because that happens with everybody in this business.
That's this business. But you know, we can't deny the

(22:26):
fact of what he did for artists and bring him
to the next level and the music that has been
sold because of him. So Stevie was one of the
guys that benefit. And he took Stevie out of you know,
Rochester and Buffalo, Man, New York. There's not too much.
You know, it's hard up there. You know what I'm saying, Guys,
it's hard. It's a rough area up there. So Stevie
coming from that, and you know, man, listen, man, he

(22:48):
you know what I'm saying. He ended up doing a
lot of things, meeting a lot of people, and you
know what I'm saying. So I guess he fails. Like, hey, look,
you know what I'm saying. He's gonna stick by his guy,
his friend. I mean, no matter what, no matter what,
we all go listen and we all black men were
all gone through something. I think it's dope that you
got somebody to stick by you.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
I do too, but I'm saying more so by being
involved with the documentary, you shouldn't have been on the documentary.
You lended validity, you lended your voice. Of course, I'm
sure he said much more than what they aired. But
they're much like love and hip hop, they're gonna chop
down the little part that they need.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Well, Stevie's very calculated, very very very cunning, calculating everything
he says. Like even when you look at Stevie what
he he don't he don't say too much when he
says that, he'll say something very calculated that I do know.
So he's not gonna let them trap him up in
they wor he already knew what he was gonna say,
and you know, he's only gonna give him what he
he felt that he had to or because at the

(23:50):
end of.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
The day, I'm sure didn't had to get him full
of none.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Well, but I'm saying, well not that's the wrong word,
or want to you know what I'm saying. It's not like, listen,
did he whatever's going on with did he right? The
facts saw that he's there's still no indictment, The facts are,
there's still no criminal charges. The facts are, he's still
a free man out here. And especially this judicial system
that has been that has been really hurting black people

(24:17):
for years. You know, we surely you know, aren't the
ones to be you know, giving a man up or
locking a man up before he's even tried, or even
he's not even charged. So you know, it's been what
a few months since they went in there with army
men getting all them tapes and everything and all those stuff,
and there's still no charges.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
They're going to charge him at some point.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
But this, but there's still but one thing about one
thing about this. You know, nobody's necessarily come forth about
any of those all these freak off parties. Do you
can you realize how many thousands of people were at
them freak off parties? Man? And do you know understand
how many people were at the parties that probably never
even knew about a freak off? Like when you go

(25:01):
to a mansion party of somebody, you're down there in
the area where the parties that and then there's the house.
There's parts of the house that you're not gonna be
able to go, and so whatever's going on is nobody's business.
If you're in that part of the house, you don't
you don't know what's going on. So I think, man,
you know it's you know what I'm saying, And listen,
I don't, man, listen when people ask me the thing
about did he me and Diddy never had too much dealings.

(25:23):
Him and Dave dealt a lot. He's done a lot
of business with the Source magazine. Me and him did
have a song together, and uh, he's always supported the
Source Awards and as far as that goes. So you
know what I'm saying, I don't you know what what
I s the the the tape, that was a horrible
situation from what I seen. You know what I'm saying,

(25:43):
that was a horrible uh you know as far as
the tape with Cassie in the hotel that.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
So are you saying you don't believe that they have
nothing to arrest them for? Y cause I believe.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
No, no, no, I don't no, no, like things like that.
I don't even like to believe because I don't know
the I don't know the intricacies like.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
What if you're from the street then yeah no no no, yeah,
definitely know how they move, you know how to you
know how they moved.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I mean, see folded. I got indicted by That's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
So you could see it unfolded. What you get indicted for?

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Well, I mean the original charges was extortion, money laundering.
I was being investigated for almost three years, and then
our accountant world wire runs when the criminal side broke down.
But the criminal charges that they first had were extortion,
money laundering, uh uh, two murders it was uh uh,

(26:34):
and a bunch of tax stuff. And then you know,
they was investigating us, the source for like me me
for like two and a half years. When that broke down,
I got indicted for tax evasion. And you know, my
accountant was wearing a wire.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
So I'm saying, what so some money ship.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
The whole bunch of money. We was making so much
money that they they just didn't understand. They thought that
I was running the legal enterprise. They had no idea
that the magazine itself could make that much money. It
was the first time it's ever been done. And then
watching guys with braids, tattoos and smoking weed and have
a bunch of other guys with him. We all have
criminal records. I'm sure they'd seen. They said this hat,

(27:12):
they have to be doing something illegal. And you know,
the same thing with IRV Godian, It was the same
thing what ended up happening him with that, with the
IRV Gotti one, which you know, I think I got found.
I got found not guilty. All twelve man, all white jury,
United States versus Raymond Scott yep All. What year was
that you beat him? I think that was an O

(27:33):
O seven. I just remember what I remember was in
Boston when they when I when you know, I remember,
they offered me five years. I mean they offered me
three years. They said, if I take it to trial,
I get five. So at that time, Coy was just born,
you know, Coila Ray was just born, and I had

(27:54):
already had a older three years Ray Ray was three
years older than her. And I was like, you know
what I said, listen, they got me and I had
a little bit of money left from my jewelry. Man,
I got rid of all my jewelry. I hired a
dope ass lawyer. I ended up moving out of New
York to UH Florida, and then I had to go

(28:15):
back to Boston for the trial. But I kind of
knew I was gonna get locked up. You know what
I'm saying when when I'm picking the jury, I had
to pay. It was a all white jury, cause everybody,
you know, when you when you picked the jury, they
ask you questions like the jury pool, if you know
Ray Dog Russol Sauce magazine. Benza made me and everybody
of color put their ha hand up, you know what

(28:35):
I'm saying. So I was left with the all white
jury and a Indian alternate, and uh beat 'em. I
knew my goose was cooked. But and and and the guy,
you know, the the the accountant that wore the wire,
came and testified against me, saying what though s saying
the whole thing was where you know, they was trying

(28:56):
to make it seem like I didn't wanna file my taxes,
and I'm my defense was that's what we had hired
him for because I don't. I'm a street kid. I
don't know W nine from W ten from W one,
you know what I'm saying. From the W hotel. You
know what I'm saying. That's that's what he's here for.
And you know, Dave hired him, white guy, Jewish Italian

(29:22):
from Jersey and he come to the office man, and
you know, I'd see him and most of the conversation
I give him was just about the New England Patriots
and Jets because any business or things that you deal
with that with Dave, I wasn't the papers guy administration
guy in the Sauce the eighteen years I was up there,
I was really the guy that was out doing deals,

(29:44):
making making things move and shake out here. So Dave
was in the office and I was out there.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
That was that's how he that's how the source.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, but so he wore to wire man. And you
know what I'm saying, the jery for.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
What was he proving?

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Well? He would he would, he would, he would wear
the wire and then like when because I would never
I never had an office up at the Sauce all
my you know, I come up there and sit down
Dave's couture and that's when me and him with brainstorm
and then I'd be on a flight somewhere. George would
always see me when I was up there and be like, hey, Ray,

(30:21):
we gotta do these taxes. And if he wanted me
to catch me on things, that is, I'm not doing
no tid I don't want to do no, we don't
got to do them. Don't worry about no taxes, and
where he want I guess they wanted me to say that.
The thing I was like, man, shit, talk to Dave.
That's the would I would get. I would get aggravated.
After a while, I'm like, why the fuck he keep
I was on tour. I was on a tour bus,

(30:41):
and I remember he was trying to It was to
the point where he'd be calling me. I wouldn't even
inswer the phone. So he called two times, two times,
comes to the back, gives me the phone. I'm half asleep.
It was George and I hung up. Down the transcript,
you get your transcript. You could see where he says.
Fuck he hung up on me again because you gotta
get the whole whatever it recorded, whatever the tap recorded,
recording device, you get everything. So after I would hang up,

(31:04):
you would get this motherfucker like yeah, so you know
it was an all white Jerry man. They found me
not guilty. Man, I'll never forget that shit was. I
almost passed out because I just knew I was. But
it did buy me another like eight months with my daughter,
with Coy, with with Ray Ray. You know what I'm saying,
because that was the whole thing. I'm like, fucking it.

(31:25):
I said I'd rather sit out here for about another
year with my kids, right and uh yeah, theyn't go
lay it down? Fuck it. You know what I'm saying.
At that point, I had done no real time. Everybody,
my father, my brothers, anybody around me, you know what
I'm saying. So it was just my time and I
accepted it, you know what I'm saying. But you know, yeah,
and that's why I don't you know, That's why I
like with the with with anybody's case. You know, everybody's

(31:48):
case is different. And the Diddy thing is like nobody
really knows what type of evidence they have until they
have it.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Everybody, if my house is very is way small in
Diddy house, right, I know I got some shit in
the house. I don't even know this in there. So
if he is someone that allegedly has tapes of certain things,
I couldn't imagine him knowing exactly what every single tape is.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Say let's say he had a tape of having sex,
that's not illegal. The only thing that the only thing
that that if they let's say, let's it's.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Not illegal out of context, but in context to the
picture they trying to paint.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, but you still gotta but you're still gotta have
something to diet him on it.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
If Diddy's on camera choking somebody fucking them or something,
even though it could you can't get indicted on no, no, no,
But I'm saying in context, how they're gonna paint all
these different things because allegedly they've called people in front
of the grand jury. So they got five or six
people that they've been talking to that allegedly is given stories.
Then if we can get videos of certain things, it

(32:55):
ain't one thing that gets you with fed.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
But see but but but in order to get a
grand jury, in order to get you know, an indictment,
a lot of what they got on is really from
the from the civil cases. A lot of what they're
gonna buy is what they what they is the civil
cases from Cassie, the civil cases from Rod. Right, we
know Rod lied a bunch of times in the tape

(33:20):
of seats. Stevie was alive, we know that. But that's
too Musha Grange, Lucian Grange was a lie, you know
what I'm saying, like like his ship is falling apart
as we speak. So so but that's where.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
But Cassie she done stood strong, right, right.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
But but Cassie got paid off, so none of that
can be used.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
No, So what what's gonna happen is they're gonna they're
gonna have Cassie as a co conspirator, but they're not
gonna charge, They're not gonna indict her. She gonna be
a witness.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
No, no, no, I'm saying, once Cassie gets paid off,
anything that she brings to the table, it can't be
used it from the civil from from the civil Yeah,
he can't defend and and and and My thing is
this and once again, right, once again, there's certain statue
of limitations on certain things other than murder. Right and again, yeah,

(34:10):
like you know what I'm saying, like you can't you know,
Bill Cobby went to jail because I guess he was
drugging them. Now, and I'm not saying this, Listen, you
you could be right if they got some videos, if
they got videos of him drugging people, that's now, that
could be I believe if.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
They have him having hardcore six with people who may
be one of the six or seven people that's saying.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
We are being dieted.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
No, yeah, but that was the case, having hard core
sex tape. Yeah, yeah, you're doing twenty lives right, you're right.
But but here's the point I'm making. Right, So let's
say they go in and there's a table with Cassie
and there's some sort of freak six like what be specific,
like what other men let's say, let's say, let's say

(34:55):
that's all right with other men? Diddy another dude in castle, okay, right, yeah,
with her narrating this, you gotta remember that. My position
is the fans are gonna use her as a narrator
of all crimes committed, but not any dight.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Diddy's lawyer, you cannot indict this from that sexual thing.
And guess what she got paid off in the civil suit, Like.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
If you think they're gonna work with man, Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Listen, I wouldn't be see, I wouldn't be worried about
Cassie at this point. I really want to be. She's
not the worry. That's the whole thing, the one out terret. No, No,
she already got paid off. You'll see the only thing
that did he can this is okay, Remember this thing
started as sex trafficking. This is what they went up
in equipped for sex trafficking crime. Do you know the

(35:44):
definite epstein Epstein? So so sex trafficking is a minor
crossing over is not.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
The miner as anyone?

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Well, right, yes, yes, that's this is true. But but
but but a woman's gonna have to come see remember
Bill Cosby, how many women came through? Remember the dude
for the for the Cleveland, who's Deshaun Watson? All the women. Now,
there's not too many women coming through with me.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
There's a couple that's talking about Cassie is more than
enough with ten years with TV, A decoration paid, she.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Got paid It's not gonna hurt. I'm telling you no,
hell she got paid off. If she didn't get paid off,
and then listen, that's all civil none of that anything
Cassie did a civil she got paid off.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
That shit is so long if Shla winning that.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Statute of listen, Cassie was there. See this is okay.
We're all forgetting this too, about Cassie, like and about
a lot of women. And women are gonna you know,
some women may take this the wrong way, but you know,
I'm just the voice of the truth and killed a messages.
But you know, this industry, this music industry that I've

(36:55):
been around over forty years, right, women put themselves out
there in positions because and they've been fantasizing about these
lights and fame and watching TV and movies and they

(37:15):
and music, and they fantasize about this in their mind
and they want it and they do things to get it,
and they put up with things to get it, and
they deal with situations once they have it. Like you know,
for every Cassie that's coming out, there's hundreds that would

(37:37):
never say nothing because that's what they chose to do.
And is it right? It's not right for anybody to
take advantage of anyone male female, all right, that's human nature.
If you're a good human, if you're a god fearing human,
that is a normal way. What I just said, that's
normal to say. But in this industry, this music, in

(37:57):
this music industry is no fucking joke when it comes
to beautiful women and beautiful women trying to get on,
trying to rap sing act like, they go through a lot.
They go through a lot, and you know, I'm sure
some do things that they don't want to do. I'm
sure some do things that when they get older they

(38:19):
regret it and and it's trauma and it hurts them
and and and you know, but you know they're there.
There was things called choice. You know, we all have choice.
And when you're a woman, you have a choice, but
you have a choice not to deal with those with
with with this industry because nobody's like at this point,

(38:43):
you know what I'm saying, Like, you're an adult, you
know what it comes with. And Cassie was with Diddy
for ten years. We're talking, oh man, how much three threes?
We're talking like almost four thousand days and never once
a restraining of it. Never once. Uh, you know, I

(39:04):
went to the police, Like, you know what I'm saying, Like,
you know.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Now, two things can be true. I want to make
sure that you're not victim blaming.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Right, I'm saying a victim blaming is a very broad term,
you know what I'm saying, because again I wasn't around
Diddy and Cassie. I'm basing it off just of.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
You've seen a video of her being I've seen a.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Video of one day out of four thousand, right.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
But she's a victim in that In that video, she's
a vig So victim blaming will be in that video.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yes, So in that particular moment, she was a video
and that was wrong. But the other four thousand days,
when she was eating lobsters and Pasta and Monica were
having a great time and just living her life. You
know what I'm saying, There was, there was you know,
there was those times too, And you know it's easy
for everybody not to focus on that because it's always
easy to focus on the negative days of Yeah, we

(39:58):
know that happened. We all we all have had days
where shit done went wrong, you know what I'm saying,
all of us, especially in our culture, and especially within
this music culture and hip hop culture and street culture.
So you know, yeah, you know what I'm saying, We
gotta we gotta think about the other days that he
was whining diner and giving it.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Day nothing that that day was.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
That day was its own day.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
So when we talk about victim blaming right for that,
they want to make sure. Yeah, but if she's a
legend and other things like this happen, you're gonna discredit her.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Not at all, Not at all. I would never discredit her.
I would never If she said something happened, I could.
I can only listen to it if I don't if.
First of all, number one, it's not my business. But
number two, when when somebody tells you a version of
their story, you can only picture the story from their
point of view, there's there's other sides to the story,

(40:54):
there's other sides to the picture, you know what I mean.
So it's not necessary for me to judge or for
me to be a detective. I just know from what
I've seen, what I've seen in that video that was
disturbing and unfortunate, and I felt bad for her. She
was a victim in that. But I do know that
there was thousands of days, remember four thousand days they
was together, right, thousands of days that there was amazing times,

(41:17):
traveling all over the world doing things that other women
who want to be in her position couldn't wait to
because remember, you know, got to remember Kim was, Kim
was there, and Cassie Cook came and Kin took kim spots.
So if we understand that Diddy was abusive towards Kim too,
and Cassie necessarily didn't wasn't calling anybody about Kim getting

(41:38):
abused or letting anybody know that Kim was a victim.
She surely wasn't doing that, you know what I'm saying,
because in her mind, in her mind, and this is
how women, you know what I'm saying, I wanted I
want to I want that position I'm I'm you know
what I'm saying. I want to be there. You know
what I'm saying. So you know, we just listen, bro,
We got everybody's adults, and we all got to look.

(41:59):
Be able to look in the Mary room. Y'all gotta
be able to take responsibility. We can't point the always
point point point point point the finger. We gotta look.
You know, she she had some responsibility and that relationship.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
But of course, of course that's why that's why her
word is gonna hold.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
I'm sure there was other girls that maybe Diddy was
choking having sex scenes that she wasn't saying anything about either.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, but it's in the context of it, right. So right,
So if I'm in court for being so if they
got me in court for a murder and there's a
video of me being violent with someone, they bring that
video in to show that I'm a violent person. So
I'm saying that they're gonna use Cassie as a witness
to what they believe to have.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
It's gonna be very very limited on what she's gonna
be used because of her civil case. Skin.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
I'm telling you she's gonna be very limited similar. It's
gonna be no, no, nd don't hold you.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
I know, but I know, but I know, But the
jury's gonna look at her like, wait a minute. You
just all her character is gonna come in place that
she settled for money, and that's not gonna be a
good look. Right.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
I understand that that doesn't it doesn't look it to me.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
If I was a drawer to me that I would
I would throw out her whole testimony at that point,
because you already settled for millions on the civil case.
You never filed any petitions, you never fired any charges.
As a drawer, that's gonna look funny.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
And I can agree with it looks not looking good
in that.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
It's not gonna her character is not gonna look right.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
You know I can agree with that. So you come,
you come up in Boston, right, talk to me about
the environment or the atmosphere as far as someone like.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
You racist city. Grew up in a very racist, divided
city where white people were privileged and black people got
the short end of the stick in every aspect of life.

(44:02):
But you know, I had two loving parents. My mother
worked hard at the prudential insurance building. God rest her soul.
Love it daily, mister Daily. My father was a street
guy that had made a name for himself and more
than just a hood. But in the North End with
the Italians, and you know, even in South Boston with I.

(44:24):
I mean, my father was pretty much known. He did
a bunch of fed time, and you know what I'm saying,
you know, real, but he still was a guy of
honor and family and he you know, and more in
morality and and and work and work ethic. You know.
But Boston itself was just a a racist city that

(44:45):
had projects, and the city treated black people like shit.
But black people, other black people know how to be
poor and make it amazing and make it look amazing
and then make it feel amazing. So you know, I didn't.
I didn't grow up miserable. I grew up in the projects,

(45:06):
a happy kid. I was always a hustler. Six years old,
I painted rocks, went around, got rocks, painted them, sold
them toall my mother's friends for a dollar, you know
what I'm saying. Then did the lemonade stands, and I
baked cakes when I was like eight years old, seven
years old. I used to be a hustler man. And then, uh,

(45:27):
you know, but the Hood was the hood. White people
were over here and black people were here, and that's
just how it was.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
It's extreme racism.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
That extreme, like you know, to the point, you know,
because you gotta understand the Irish had really taken over
Boston and Italians, you know, so from the polit from
the politics, the newspaper, the police, you know, it's all them.
You don't have a chance, right the judges and the jury,
you know what I'm saying. The clerk, you know, everybody's

(45:57):
there and you know, got railroaded to Commonwealth, so you go, shit,
you could go to jail state and that bitch turned
fed real quick and they'll just throw anything they want
real quick. Commonwealth means I could switch up shit real
quick for black people, because it surely isn't the Commonwealth
for everybody.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Kentucky's like that too, even if you got to make
a bond and you got to bring one hundred percent
of the money.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Ye, it's fucked up. And you know, I didn't realize
the since we grew up in it. We just felt
like that's how it was and we just had to
deal with it, like you adapt like I was adapted
to being in the racist city. I was adapted to
being separate.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
But I see what I'm thinking about is what kind
of racism is it because you're in the South.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Like like nigga, Yeah, but we got.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
We got we got white boys in the South. There's
like racist. But I would think they'll be different from
people that you find in Boston.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
So it's the same Confederate flag.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
It's not it's not Confederate flag. It's you know what
I'm saying, We the Irish, this is our shit. We
don't fuck with you niggas. Nigga, nigga, nigga. You know
what I'm saying. Yeah, we're white and you know, you know,
stay the fuck out of our out of South Boston, Charles,
East Boston, Charleston, stay over there, stay in Roxbury, Mattterpen.
That's what it was. We stay over here, y'all, stay

(47:20):
over there. We catch y'all over here. It's going down.
If we catch all over here is going down too,
you know. That's what it was. That's what it was
growing up.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
That's crazy because that's different groups of people that hate
black people, right because they not the same people like
the whites in the South. I don't know that origin,
but they're not Irish, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Well, see see that's just to see. And as I
got older, I kind of understood more like it's not
like the Irish just hated the black people. They just
they just love themselves. They just want to click up
with themselves. The only problem with that and.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
If they call when you coming up black that you
don't view that.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
But they call the attick movies and they no, no
fucking boy. Yeah, man, we used to be like we
used to look. I went I went to a Boston
Tech that was a school where it was predominantly white.
When my first my first my mother wanted me to
I want to go to the Burke. The Burke was
the hood school, wild ass school to Jeremiah Burke, right
in the hood. I want, But she wanted me to
go to Tech. So I said, let me go to Tech.

(48:20):
You know what I'm saying. Make my mom happy. So
I took the I passed the test, you know what
I'm saying. Cause I was always a smart dude. I
just I I bullshited all the time, sold drugs, bullshit.
So I just remember that my first like quarter, I
remember I was I I had the whole school lit.
I was selling joints my firs my first quarter, and

(48:42):
I just remember going home on the buses we had.
There was a bunch of us black dudes and there
was a bunch of white dudes. We got to this
big ass fight on the bus. The next day we
gone to another fight, but they came back with nage
this time caught me like on the side. I had
a belt at my father made me from jail that really,
you know what I'm saying, took most of the cuts

(49:04):
crazy and yeah, man, like you know what I mean,
So you know it. It was like the Irish fucked
with the Irish, you know, and they didn't fuck with
nobody else. The Italians had their part over there. They
didn't fuck with nobody else. The only time that niggas,
Irish the Times would fuck with each other is through
crime or through money the streets. That's how I started.

(49:27):
That's how I knew that all white people wasn't bad
through my father meeting these guys, all his guys.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
So you thought all white people was bad at that point.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
I just growing up like that, you start getting the
taste for like, yo, what the fuck? Then, like you know,
like you know, you know Bob Marley. You start listening
to Bob Marley and you start seeing little things about
the black panthers. You start seeing shit like and then
I'm actually like what they're saying is right because it's
taking place right here in Boston. I never looked at

(49:56):
it like down south, for I didn't. I knew right
here in Boston white people didn't like black people from
from from as far as I grew remember and grew up,
you know what I'm saying. And I would go see
my mom sometimes at the Prudential, and she'd be working
with white women, So little things like that would be like, Okay,
well they ah, she's alright. And then, like I said,

(50:18):
my father I got close to a lot of great
Italian men and great irishmen and that kind of great
Jewish men, Columbia men, all plugs and connects that I'm
getting through him through the fes, and I I started
getting relationships with And remember I'm young, so they my
father's age. So I'm looking up to them as a
father type. And I'm learning things from these men, and
I'm looking at them in a different light. So it

(50:39):
changed my perspective on what white people were based off
of them, cause my all my interactions with white people
were always you know, problematic in Boston.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah, it's crazy. I never thought of it because again,
it's it's interesting to me, man, because in the South,
you'll hear some people ignore racism or be like, what
are they talking about? It ain't really a thing like that.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
My girl from Atlanta, and she's like, yo, cause we
They got a bunch of shit now on HBO, they
got this special call murdering and Boston. It was about
the child stewartcase where he drove his problem. I'm not chuckling,
but it was just it. It. It still bugs me
to fuck out because I remember it. And uh, it
was in the eighties and this this motherfucker drives his wife,

(51:23):
pregnant wife, white guy to the mission hill projects, blows
has has a brother come down, blow her brains out,
shoots him in the leg so he can collect the
insurance money. Right, they lost the baby and shit, right,
blamed it on a black dude. The the police and
the mayor tore the city up. They was like stopping
frisk everybody, like unlawful frisking it. They was stripping niggas down.

(51:48):
They came to full corners with that shit, and trust me,
you know what I'm saying, Like they ended up finding
out that dude ended up killing himself writing the letter
that he did it, and I'm talking this shit was
fucked up. It was that. That's just one of the
things that shows you how racist part you know Boston
to this day, if you ain't dribbling the basketball. Well,
you know, I just seen the Celtics win and I'm

(52:09):
looking at the parade. I'm looking at thousands of white
people just going crazy for these young black guys. You
know what I'm saying. Put Jason Tatum or Jaylen Brown
up four corners, you know what I'm saying, with a
hoodie on out there trying to serve a couple of packs,
and they hate the guts and they.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Do you think do you think that it's fucking crazy?

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Man?

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Do you think that they feel loved by Boston?

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Nah? Jaylen Brown ain't. They're not stupid, especially Jaylen Brown.
He's he's woke. He sees it. You know, he sees it.
You know what I'm saying. He's he's not, but you
know he's getting paper, so he got everybody. You know,
he's not stupid, you know.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
What I'm saying interesting dynamic too.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Imagine that now. Remember remember Paul Me and the Paul
Pier situation like Boston chair for Paul pairs to Jason Tatum,
but they hate Benzeno. As far as like not all,
I'm not and I'm not speaking all, I'm not generalizing,
but as far as the power structure there, you know,
they've been trying to funk me over for years up there,

(53:12):
as far as the police and you know, with what
was going on, cause I was always someone to speak
out like a rebel.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I always that you kind of reckless. You know, you
kind of be reckless when when you talk crazy or
just how you I used.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
To you know, and and and and the recklessness just
came from anger. And like you know what I'm saying,
like just like you're like after a while, you don't
give a fuck, like you want to smoke, you want it,
like he's like you're expecting it anyways, you know what
I'm saying, like fuck it? So you don't you know
what I'm saying? And you know that that that's you know,
I look back at that behavior and I surely ain't

(53:48):
proud of it. Ship you know ship like that. I
mean that, you know that is what that that's what
breeds that, that's what breeds the chaos and the pro pros,
and it has in my life. But but with me,
and it is a button and it's not an excuse.
I'm just pivoting to say that. Listen, I don't I

(54:11):
don't live with regrets. And I know how I grew
up and what I've seen and what I've been through,
and that's not for anybody business. But you know, these
things that you come up with and these things that
you've went through, and just because you know, and you know,
with the grace of God, I ended up doing all
these amazing things with the Source magazine and all this

(54:33):
other stuff, you still carry a lot of that with you.
And it's you know, I'm only a human being, and
you know, a lot of baggage never doesn't necessarily get unpacked,
and I carry it and it comes out sometimes and
you know, all I could do is be better at
it and try to control it, you know what I'm saying,
control myself. I mean, listen, I've there's nothing I'd seen

(54:55):
like my guy's head of face blown off, my God,
out of my arms, mind me, I could tell you
coundless and commissan stories throughout years of my life. And
you know what I'm saying, Like it's easy for me
to Okay, you know what, that's over with, that's move on.
But I see how it affects me later on sometimes.

(55:18):
And all I could do, like I say, is be
aware of it and just you know, try to do
better with my mental health, you know, of course, but
just to have self control and to think more intellectual
and not emotional.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Right, how you think Jason Tatum feels like knowing that
in that parade, like you said, with so many people,
knowing that it may not be the same if he
wasn't a winner, because they can even have you on
the team and you can be losing and still feel
that racist spirit from even yourn Bill Russell.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Bill Russell hated Boston fans. He did not like it.
He did not like it, but he dealt with it.
You know, it must be it must be a h a,
it must be a you know, it must be something
to deal with. But you know what, you know what
I'm saying. I guess they figured that the money makes
it different. Money, you know, Yeah, and that type of

(56:14):
money listen. You know at that moment, they're not thinking
about that. You know what I'm saying. They just won.
I'm sure they're relieved. I'm sure they're proud. I'm proud
of them. But it's just like I said when I
seen all the thousands of white people sharing for young
black guys and after that, you know what I'm saying,
But they look down on anybody else the same. There's
the same age Jason Tatums with a black hoodie hanging

(56:35):
on Columbia Road. Man. Listen, man, man, Look.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Do they love you in Boston like the up and
coming artists?

Speaker 1 (56:42):
You know what? This? This? You know again, that's all
that's you know, that's subjective. I think that's you know
what I'm saying. I'm sure I'm loved. I'm sure I'm hated.
I think a lot of hate is just confused admiration.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
To be honest with you, Yeah, because when I was
getting prepared for this, I've seen some little dude saying that.
I guess he came up on you about a show
or something, and you straightened him, gave him some money
back or some shit, and he was in Boston and
he kind of took that away. And I'm like, it's
always hometown, Like even when we look at Meek me
or what he is kind of going through for something.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Yeah, I don't like that. Guy's not even from around,
like nobody knows him. That was a situation where he
that it was. It was you know, I do a lot.
I host a lot of like what do you call
them showcases? Okay with rappers, and he wanted to perform me,
gave me money, he wanted his money back. You know
what I'm saying. I was out there, I didn't have
no strap on it. I really didn't have nobody with me,
so they made it seem like it was. But he

(57:38):
got his money back and that was it. I didn't
take it for nothing, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Like it ain't them things don't ain't as much as serious.
Like like if I was there with a bunch of
my niggas and niggas with a blue niggas head off,
and that would have been a whole different situation. So
you know what I mean, Like I travel alone now
because I'm trying to avoid them them type of situations,
you know what I'm saying, Like I'm supposed to be

(57:59):
a to think my way out of situations. Now, you
know what I'm saying, because again it would have been
easy to blow his head off. That ain't that's nothing.
You know what I'm saying still is.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
It's crazy because people are trying to like put the
press game on these titles and videos and shit.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Like I don't let listen anything that's in the interest
so much shit about me about gay shit and transvestites
and pressing.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Why do they come at you about the transvestation?

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Mean, that's just one of many campaigns of the internet,
just like the one with Kavario when he was in
the hotel.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
But Whack one hundred X like he has some kind
of you know what I.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Mean, but not see But Whack does that with everybody?
That's whax thing. Everybody knows at this point that that's
what Whack does. You know what I'm saying, I that's
that's what he do. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I've yet to this date, me and Whack one hundred
have never met in person. And I'm not gonna go
back and forth with the whole whack thing because that's
what happens to gets on the internet and world. I'm
not doing all that. You know what I'm saying. I

(58:54):
noticed a big world. You know what I'm saying. You know,
and I you know, I'm everywhere, you know what I mean.
So when and when the internet's one world and outside
is another world, and how I deal with outside is
not how I deal with the Internet. I'm just now
learning to just like let the Internet be the Internet.
I really don't care what's on the Internet, because when
I'm out here, I don't. It's it's it's for the

(59:17):
most part, it's always love in every hood. I'll go.
You see, I came out here with me until we
drove out here. Shit, i'm'a go get me a hair
cut somewhere. Like, yeah, I ain't. You know what I'm saying.
Because my thing is this, like I've lived this long
and I've seen it all. Like I've been through it
all gun battles, been shot a few times, done shot
a bunch of them. Listen, I didn't been through it all,
you know, done seen all my niggas get blunt death.

(59:39):
I didn't destruction my entire life. That ain't nothing. That's easy, bro,
Like that's easy. I think at this point in my life,
may it would be a waste if I don't have
some purpose to try to save some of these niggas
out here, because a lot of these niggas don't have
critical thinking and think with intellect, and you know, the
whole clicks, comments and excitement ship on the internet. They

(01:00:02):
don't even understand that that ship is that ships. First
of all, I think within a year or two, that
shit's over with, like the sensationalized headlines. And I think
after a while people are starting to see that the
Internet it's just full of shit, you know what I'm saying.
Like people, it takes them a little bit longer. I
knew it from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
But it also is important to debunk some certain things,
like you may so you are denying whatever they're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
I mean, what you will you tell me you asked me,
you asked me? I can I can only I can
only answer from what the person asked me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Right, So that's what I'm saying. Wag says he has
a video about a TRANSV.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
No, no fucking oh no, no, no, I could be
to put it out. Put it out, you know what
I'm saying, Put the motherfucker out. Yeah, come on, man,
Yeah now, Because Wax said he had a video of
Nipsey up. So why Verdi had a video of how
many videos do I gout? Video? Whack got a whole
fucking office of videos, right, I mean, why I gotta
deal with where I gotta there? With all these accusations

(01:01:01):
about about to see one informants and all this other stuff.
You know what I'm saying, he has to deal with.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
That in real tax Stone was just telling me about
that on this thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Shout the tax doone man, shout the taxtone man, taxed
one doing the tax ones. You know, taxtone people don't
realize what happened to tax doone is very unfortunate man.
But tax Done stood like a gig, and I'm sure
he didn't have to. Like they give niggas outs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Try to give me one. They give everybody they.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Give niggas out. So you know, you know, all the
salute to all the dudes, man, and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Yeah, anybody that stand up in their pressure in their paint,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
And see my brother Porky d You know, I got
a brother locked up now, you know what I'm saying,
He and there on on on a body, and uh
that's you know, I love him daily, you know, what
I'm saying, and he's you know, we're sitting waiting and
it's looking good. But again, like you know, I don't
you know what I'm saying. Like when when it comes
to you know, gay and transvestite stuff, that ship is,

(01:01:57):
that's like, that's that's the mature.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Where did they come from?

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I mean, he just popped so so so I did
a movie. I did a motion picture with a Detroit
cricket where the Detroit director named Cricket and his girl
was from Black Ink And I'm John, who's with season?
The very first one? Oh man, I don't want her
to be mad at me too, you know, hope they had, right,

(01:02:21):
who's the one with? Came up with seasons? The very
first one from North Carolina with the drags. You don't
talking Black Ink man, the very first one? Anyways? Heard
they they had a movie called False Advertisement. I played, uh,
the boss CEO, the boss of advertising industry, a straight man.

(01:02:42):
The movie was about a guy who played gay to
get a woman, the love of his life. So there
was gay niggas in it. And I guess there was
a scene with a transvest where there was a gay
club with transvestor I wasn't in none of those scenes.
Cricket at the time had I guess the transvestor out
of that Cricket for my number because they wanted to

(01:03:04):
contact me. And Cricket gave the transvest that my number,
and the transvest called me, and you know, Cricket is
my man. I was a little upset, you know, but
it made me to you abount what No. Well, well,
when the transvest I called me, it was about what's up?
You know. I was on love and hip hop and
we know the same people and this dope were doing
the same movie. Okay, dope, dope, dope. They want The

(01:03:26):
reason that they told Cricket was because they want At
the time, I had opened up the Crab Trap and
they want to rent the Crab Trap. They said, they've
been doing these Tyler Perry type of movie things. They
want to rent the Crab Trap. Can we have lunch?
I said, no, we can't have lunch, and they said
why not. I said, well, you gotta understand, you know,
no disrespect. I'm trying to be respectful, but I just

(01:03:47):
wouldn't that don't look right. My gods see me having
lunch with the transvest And I said, my Dad wouldn't
even I said, you don't understand that was And I'm
trying to be lightheart, I'm trying to be I'm trying
to be respectful, you know, because I'm really upset. I
never talked to a transvest i before. I never had
interactions now gay guys. It took years for me to
be tolerant of that. Now I have actual gay friends

(01:04:10):
that I could actually say that I really love and
care for, you know what I'm saying, and relationships, you know,
with brotherhood type, which I never knew that that was
gonna happen in my life. But transvestite, I haven't crossed
that bridge yet. So while this was going on, I
guess the transvestite uh uh tape my conversation and then
later on you could see what they edited and put

(01:04:31):
shit together, and then fifty ran with it and it
was just a whole bunch of bullshit. Yeah, but but
the trip. But this happened a couple of years ago
where the girl that I was with on Love and
Hip Hop had tried to say some sucker shit about
the tracks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
See, this is what's what I'm saying. It ain't they
ain't just so it ain't just whacked one hundred. There's
some other motherfuckers.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
No, no, no, no, I mean I don't whack one hundred,
just piggybacking off of wherever you could piggyback. But this,
the transvest i thing, that was on its own. He
had nothing to do with that, that was in his
own situation. See. Look, it's funny because I you know
how I grew up. I'm like, damn, when you hear
about niggas being gay and it's like dance fucked up,
I'd be like, that could never happen to me because

(01:05:12):
at you know how many women and how many chicks
that like motherfuckers. No, Benzino to be like, I don't
like listen whatever you are, who the fuck you are? Like,
I don't, but I don't like like I still think
And I don't even want to say that because I
got I don't want to offend nobody. But I just
ain't with men having sex with men. At the end

(01:05:33):
of the day, the transvestor, it's a fucking man. I
don't give a fuck what it is. It's a man.
I'm not into that. That don't attract me. That's not
what I'm into. That's not what my sons are into
I got three sons and both my sons so I
got two twenty one and thirty and they both love women.
You know what I'm saying. I'm grateful for that. And
I have an eight year old and I caught him
looking at chicks at the pool the other day, so

(01:05:55):
you know, I'm proud of that. My father was a
ladies man. I'm a ladies man and I want to
be I want I want me being straight respected. But
I do know the Internet and society if you ever
want to try to, you know, stain the nigga. That's
the new thing. You know what I'm saying, gay shit.
You know, even with girls, the first thing they say,
oh yeah, gay, your gay everything is because they know

(01:06:18):
that there's nothing worse to hit it straight. Man. But
what I found out, and I used to think like that,
but now I found out that. Man. Please, I'm so
confident comfortable thinking the way you think. Just don't come
out here with that. See if you the internet again
is one thing. I can't bark at every dog that
go by, but it ain't. Nobody ever came to me
in person on no funny shit with that because they

(01:06:39):
because they get dealt with right there, there's no question
I don't play with that. I would I wouldn't want
nobody to play with that. If there's something, there's a
few things that that to me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
So you're going you're getting active soon go to jail,
going to jail, because that's what's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna I'm gonna crush
sh and and and they gonna tell that's what's gonna happen,
you know what I'm saying. But you gotta be prepared
for that bail money. Then you're gonna have to take
it to trial, Like what the fuck else can you do?
That's why I just try to stay out of those
lanes because the object of life is to live, and
within our culture, you have to in order to live,

(01:07:14):
you have to. Really it's like a fucking application, like
a game. You know what I'm saying. You really got
a duck sucker shit, you know what I'm saying, Just
to describe, not because of what could happen, from what
they could do to you, from what you could do
to them, right, you know what I'm saying, that's the
that's the objects.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Tell me about the Paul Pierce situation. What what was that?
What happened with Paul Pierce?

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Well, you know, I had a group called the Wise
Guys that it was a bunch of gang members I
put together fromround the city of Boston that I took
one or two rappers out of each main projects or
hot blocks, real dangerous blocks. These guys been active for years,
you know what I'm saying. And the thinking was it
was something I could give back the city because at

(01:07:56):
that point, how you know, you know, I've been doing
my thing at that point, you know what I'm saying.
So it's something I can get back city, and it's
something I can give the whole city. Because my thing
was if I'm grabbing one or two niggas out of
the projects, the rest of the project gotta be cool
because they don't want to fuck it up for them.
So that was the thinking, like, you gotta keep and
usually I'm getting the niggas that got the respect to

(01:08:17):
the whole project. So you know, we ended up, uh
the Wise Guys. I ended up getting a distribution deal
with Death Jam and everything was kind of dope. Now
Paul I had new Paul Watch Paul Kansas. I'm a
big basketball fan, right, and I'm a bigger Celtics fan,
like everything Celtics, and that everybody knew he was drafting first,

(01:08:41):
and we knew we was going after Paul Piss so
I was doing my homework on them, and I was like, dope,
we need that like him and Antoine Walker was gonna
be dope. Like so I'm all for it, but I'm
you know what, when you watch niggas in basketball uniforms
and it's all I seen him. So we drafted him,
so I knew we had him. So I'm like that
we about to rip shit this year. So I'm a

(01:09:02):
Paul Pierce fan, now you know what I'm saying. All right,
boom fast forwarded the Wise Guy's Things doing good. We
ended up doing an album release party downtown at this club.
I think the club was called Europa. I think it
was a club downtown. I was surprised that we even
got the club, because with our reputation and clubs at

(01:09:23):
that point, I just I don't even know. I don't
know how we got it, but you know, I had
a team of guys and somebody got it out the team.
But we ended up getting the club, and I just
remember the Celtics were there because you know a bunch
of niggas, a bunch of tall niggas. You know they
basketball players when you're looking at seven feet. And I
remember Tony Battia at that time was our center. Antoine

(01:09:46):
wasn't there, I don't think, but I remember that a
bunch of other niggas was coming. We didn't recognize a
couple of them niggas though, if they were rookies, but
we knew there was ball players because these niggas is
like six seven everybody else in the five five ten
of shorter, right, So I just remember me and my

(01:10:08):
man Hearst were standing over here by the pool tables
and then something that had took place, and we watched
niggas beefing. So from where them trash cans are right right,
I'm y your Hearst, Me and me and you were
watching it from right here, and we watched. Now, this
shit happens in Boston all the time, but we're kind
of mad, like, damn, this is supposed to be the record.

(01:10:29):
Niggas can't like we know, we see the niggas and shit,
it's like, damn, man, niggas are gonna fuck it up.
You know what I'm saying, as usual, But this happens
all the time in Boston, like right. So I just
remember when the lights came on the the nigga, cause
the nigga Paul. I didn't know it was Paul at
the time. And I said this before. If I knew

(01:10:51):
it was Paul, would have went over there and got
niggas up off him because I knew. I knew the
ramifications of this nigga. This is the like you see
how serious Boston takes. You see how they love they
motherfuckers who bounce and throw the ball right you see
you see from the parade, you know what I'm saying,

(01:11:11):
how they feel about man. I knew what the fuck
it was, and that's at the time I'm seeing him fight.
I really didn't know what he was fighting because the
lights were off. But then the lights came on because
it was getting chaotic, and then I just remember I said, damn,
there was a bunch of blood. It just you know.
So I remember when I left Tony pettit was in there,
was walking behind me, was walking beside me. I was

(01:11:33):
running to my car, get the fuck out there because
police were coming. And I just remember him saying it
was that Benzino made men. He mentioned my name. I'm
standing right, we're walking both get getting on the one
that get Tony Pettit. He said that it was made
men in Benzeno. This is what he said.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
They got the stab in.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
He's that stab Paul Pill And I was like, damn.
So we so we bounced, now mind you, Me and
Hirst was nowhere near that motherfucker the whole time. So
we leaving. Shit, We get back around the way man,
and you know things are being said, shit, we hook
up with niggas. I just remember I said I'm going.
I'm going because I had a cribbin in Jersey. I said,
I'm I'm on the next flight smoking, getting the fuck

(01:12:14):
out of here right once we found out who it was,
and I was like, damn, that didn't look like this nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
You know, But what was it over? What he was
trying to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
He was he was getting aggressive with you know what
I'm saying one of the guys girls, you know what I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Saying talking to big players, was.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Getting aggressive with her. You know what I'm saying. I
think she might have told him, you know, I'm with somebody.
I'm head with and he you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
and uh, ball.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Players got their energy sometimes though. Ware It's like, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Mo Vaughn. I remember Mo Vaughn got hit in the
eye with a glass at a club in Boston. He
was the top baseball player at the time for the
rest of house. Same situation over women over woman Lloyd
my Lloyd for the Patriots. I remember Nigga put a
big ass four or five on him because he was
fucking his baby's mother.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Same situation when you when you were saying that Paul
Pierce was lying. What was he putting out about the stand?

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
I mean not necessary, he was lying. He just then
you know, Paul Paul pointed niggas out on the stand.
He just never he never got into that. Now I
can say when they gave.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Pel Pierce pointing people out on understand.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Yea, Paul locked niggas up, my nigga, free Roscoe, And
you know what I'm saying, free big Trev. But Trev
actually did six behind that Roscale still locked up. Rossell
got twenty in the day. So you gotta understand, like
when when Paul, when they gave Paul the lineup book,
the first person they said was him. They wanted him,

(01:13:43):
and he kept saying, no, it wasn't me. What happened
was he he chose Roscoe, trev and Hurst, remember Hers
and Herst. He picked hers. What it was was he
thought one of the guys that was on because it
was a bunch, was hers. So we took it the
trial Hurst under the being found not guilty. But I
had to pay for it Hurst's lawyer. I had to

(01:14:04):
pay a lot of money for her. Yeah, but Paul
pointed at Trevion Roscoe, Wow, you know what I'm saying. Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Have you ever seen him since?

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Then? Seen him a couple of times. I seen him.
One time I was in Miami at of Celtics heat game.
He actually was. He was in a time out and
he he seen me and he said what up? And
then I seen him, I think at a club and
he I think he might have grabbed my shoulder. I
don't know, you know, but I know sometime there was

(01:14:34):
one time they said that these girls was in a
limousine with him and this his head say, but I'll
share the story that he was in and one of
the girls brought my name up in Boston and they
said he pulled. He was drunk. Poster took his shirt
off of screaming, fuck all that started screaming. He was
gang throwing up gang signs, and you know, he was upset,
you know what I'm saying, Like like, you know what

(01:14:54):
I'm saying. The source that it came to me was
pretty reliable, suits, you know. But look, that night was
unfortunate for a lot of reasons and for a lot
of people. But at the end of the day, Roskill
did years and years behind that. Trepp did years behind that.
I understand he almost lost his life, but uh,

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