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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Me and Charleston White had this interview at the top
of our careers. Oftentimes I see people wonder why it
never dropped. People wonder so many things about it our
way to me and Charleston White sit down to address that.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
In full.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
But the fact that I think it captured a very
interesting time and not only his journey, but my journey,
because if you see there, you will see that I'm
I'm in a room at that time, and so it's
a very humbling time for me and where I was,
even though I was in a house at that time,

(00:39):
Like I didn't come from you, dig I was already okay,
But I'm really not speaking towards the space I'm in,
but the space I was in. And when I say
space I was in, what you're looking at is a
man that in that position right there, he just hadn't
invested yet. And I'm speaking about me. You see the

(01:00):
quality of the camera when you see just how things
the angles. I just hadn't invested, and not only money,
but time. I hadn't invested. What ends, what camera, what angle,
what mike? What software? What streaming you? Dig I hadn't.
I hadn't invested, And so when I look further and further.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Down my journey.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
A lot of y'all, you know, maybe came on in
the last eight months, ten months, a year, what have you.
But this was a glimpse at when we was first
starting in this particular time. Charleston White was just cranking up,
I was cranking up. We both was kind of speaking
about the misdirection of music and the culture and how

(01:46):
for some reason it had a lock, it had a
chain on the mentality of the young men coming up,
us included, right, And so we would speak towards those things.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
I would speak.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
I would speak the in the streets going and becoming
a man, and he would speak to being a man
and letting.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
The game go.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
And we kind of met early in that time, and
it was interesting time. And so just for the fans,
I want to put out just this first part, just
to let you guys get a glimpse as to where
we was at in particular meat, because my journey and
story is being documented, and so when I speak on

(02:29):
these things in the documentary, I need the record to
reflect A lot was spoke about. This was well before
any of us had ran into any fame. Again, it's
a time stamp in the journey. Some of y'all enjoy,
others want, But it's up to podcast. It's encyclopedia for
the game. And so we got to put all kinds

(02:51):
of game in this right here, all kind of game
in this podcast. Right I might sit with as I
have the CIA, then I might sit with somebody that
the CIA is after. I might sit with a scientist.
Then I might sit with a conspiracy theorist, a rapper
and an athlete, a lawyer and a doctor. You dig
what I'm saying. A need in need a hair cutting

(03:14):
and hang cut.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Hell.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
I might be speaking to a lot of different people
because his game is game involved in hustling in these industries.
And that don't mean everybody can make it. Everybody can't come.
But if you come, let's get it, popper. But let's
get to this Charleston White interview. It's up that podcast,
early in the game, early in our travels. And yeah,

(03:43):
let's see what's going on. It's up that Podcastpatreon dot com.
Come see me for the game.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
Let's go now, niggas want to lure me to death exactly,
my lord, my loans old loan, new loan, Okay, okay.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
All ops munch is up there and stuck that nick
when it's up there, Man, it's stuck there.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Shut up.

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Speaker 1 (04:55):
Welcome to another episode off It's Up There podcast with
your active ant tract theive holes for the night. Uh
you are tuned into the fastest. How is it, my brother?
What's going on with It's going well?

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Black man?

Speaker 7 (05:08):
How you doing?

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Man?

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Man?

Speaker 6 (05:10):
I'm just kicking up dus man. I ain't letting no
bread grow under my feet. Man, I'm just trying to
get a few dollars.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
What's up with you say? Man? Just sitting back looking
at it?

Speaker 7 (05:21):
And what I mean by looking at it, Man, sitting
back looking at life or seeing our life, seeing how life.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Work out, uh for our people.

Speaker 7 (05:29):
And what I mean by our people the people trapped
in America or the ones that's trapped in bunches, or
as a nation of people that's trapped inside this nation.
So every day I wake up to examine our our conditions,
our our situation, our circumstances, our minds, and in our
hearts as a as a complete whole or rather than

(05:50):
just individuals. So I look at us as a whole.
So uh, it tends to seem like man he always
talking down on black people. All well, Uh, I'm talking
down on my people, uh, in order to get their
attention so I can help lift them up.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Right.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
And you know something of what I know is man,
some of us that has the ability to articulate and
just peep game and things of that nature.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Man, we have a duty to lead people. You know
that we'll like but not ken to man. Sometime we
gotta you know, like you say, I heard, and we
can go one to jump into to everything.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
I've heard how you communicate, and I think some people
think it's not effective, but in my opinion, it's extremely
effective because, like you said, you use the words that
their grandmothers use, that their mothers use, that is used
to hen Give me a little game about where your
approach switched, because I know you know, I've heard you

(06:48):
talk on both sides, So give me some game. And
when you when you thought about, you know what, I
got to start talking more like that what they can
relate to.

Speaker 7 (06:57):
You was kind of breaking up on your question, but
I was able to get it. Nobody goes to church
and listens to the preacher. Nobody really pays attention to
the professor who just gets up in lecture. Nobody really

(07:23):
wants to hear the radio version of a rap song, right,
So try rapping with our customers, you know, try telling
the rapper to rap with our cussin. So I started out,
brother uh in twenty twelve is when I started out
on this journey working with children.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
And I was very I.

Speaker 7 (07:45):
Was very I was very groomed, I was I was
very clean cut, I was very articulate, professionally right. I
would never I would never get on social media and
use the word I wouldn't never type of cuss word
and spelled out the cuss word. I would use asterisk marks.

(08:06):
I was a poster child that spoken churches. I was
working with politicians. I was flying to Washington, d C.
I was on private phone calls man with Barack Obama
after the Ferguson riots. Man, I've worked with over fifty
us So I was a poster child.

Speaker 8 (08:22):
Man.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
But the community had no awareness of what I was doing.

Speaker 7 (08:29):
And I was working with many of the children at
the hood man down in the juvenile detention centers. So
all the kids in lock up knew me, you know,
all the kids that Alternity School knew me. And they
would go home and tell their parents about me, and
and most their moms didn't know me because they didn't
come from my era. So so when so I would

(08:52):
travel around the country homely, you know, working and doing
all this great stuff. And I was a model citizen, right,
had the perfect delivery. But men, no one had an
idea of what I was doing. Yeah, and so one
day I was invited by h Man.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
We liked to you know, he kind of like.

Speaker 7 (09:11):
A if you were to say, if you would say,
a black godfather. He would he out black moses in
the city. Old seventy five year old men that ran
the club down Off and Stopped Six called the classy lady.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
He called me up one day.

Speaker 7 (09:29):
Someone had been telling him that he needed to meet
with me because they was watching the work that I
was doing around the country, and so they told the
old man, a, pops, you need to call Charleston White.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
You need to call Charleston White.

Speaker 7 (09:40):
So one day he called me up right right when
the summer was about to start, and he said, man,
young brother, I've been watching you and I like what
you're doing.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
I want to talk to you. These kids and Stop six.

Speaker 7 (09:51):
Don't have anything that they don't have, no swimming pools,
no nothing. They nasty, they dirty, they feelthy. So I
went down to the club. So this one of them
phone calls, man, when you get this car, you you
you you you summons.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. The elder I tell
them a partner.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Man.

Speaker 7 (10:09):
The old man called me, so he said what he wanted.
I said, man, he want to meet with me. So
you know this big only so me and the guys
that was a part of my organization that was working
with me at the time. Man, we went down to
the classy Lady UH had a round table meeting with
the old man and and I had just got to
read man the five point principles of the Black Panther Party.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
Of Community Actions and community work. Right huet p.

Speaker 7 (10:35):
Newton mindset was the feed, clothed, and educate. That's how
they was able to develop the nutritional program. Right, You
gotta feed the people to be able to get their attention.
They can't pay attention if they better. So I took
that game, and so I repeated those words to the
old man. And I ain't have a dollar, so I
didn't know how I was gonna feed them or clothe them.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
I knew I could educate them.

Speaker 7 (10:56):
So he looked me in my eyes and said, I
don't want here, no mother fly boy. Don't come down
here telling me no mother fly And he gave me
the keys to his club. Now this club, say, homie
got gangsters down there, he got killers down there, dope dealers,
he got every prostitute. It's an ass divers party. It's
a gambling they they boot leg. Say, Man, it's die

(11:19):
down here, it's bunnet. It's one hundred bunet holes in
the building. I'm gonna bring kids down here and with
all these gangsters around here, and everybody in the city say, men,
you crazy. Don't no kids belong down there. Now, keep
in mind, I'm working with all the big time pastors.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
I'm I'm all.

Speaker 7 (11:37):
The pastors protege from Beyonce, pastors from Fifth Ward to
Fort Worth on me, I'm all the black pastors protege.
Keep in mind, I don't cuss. I smoke weeding. I
smoke weed in private. Don't nobody know I smoke?

Speaker 2 (11:52):
You know?

Speaker 4 (11:52):
So I'm everybody's I'm everybody's baby.

Speaker 7 (11:57):
When I go, when I show up at church, I'm
the one that having come down the golden town Jay,
I'm the golden child.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Right hold on this the old name we see if
I can bridge y'all there, hold on, watch it? Hey,
what's up? Hold on? Hold on? What's what's what you say? Okay?

Speaker 8 (12:19):
Every time you tell me about making some money, I'll
take it and run with right. Yes up, okay you
told me, but to steal it wanting for all in jail.
I need that information.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
I'm gonna see you the lean now. Now here's the thing.
It's not just for because in jail.

Speaker 7 (12:38):
It's in jail, meaning the county jail, state jail, and
in the state penitentiary, in in the federal penitentiary.

Speaker 8 (12:51):
Okay, let me ask you one other question, yes up
this out of the penitent How do we start following
them and helping him? They wanted the thing you don't
know how to do because the majority of it is
evenerated and stupid, so to show how to get the money.
So we need that information to show them too.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
And want you I got you. I sent it to
you here in a minute.

Speaker 8 (13:19):
All right, thank you for man.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Gess up. That was six stream you too, all right?

Speaker 6 (13:27):
And I want I want to get it. I want
to get the listeners to watch us a little game.
This is real time. This ain't playing that show you
that there's a man here working as well as doing
whatever else he's doing.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Man, this is real time. Now, we didn't play in that.

Speaker 7 (13:43):
So yeah, hey, that that's ironic that we were talking
about the old man and he.

Speaker 6 (13:48):
Called exactly exactly. That's what I was just telling them,
is real time. It's ain't no acting in all lit
old capital.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
It's real time.

Speaker 7 (13:57):
Hey listen, hey, he have a fit if he knew.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Uh, I had him, you know after to the world
and to the pucklic like that.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Right.

Speaker 7 (14:06):
So h he spent thirty three years in federal prison.
Uh and he'll Texas he had he owned clubs way
back in the sixties. He owned clubs all the way
back into the sixties. And he had a club that
was called Text.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
People got to know.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
People gotta know what that means for a black man
to own some way back then. You gotta know the
reach and the power that must head in that time.
That ain't just no they own it now.

Speaker 9 (14:38):
So picture back when when when it was really hard,
he's scraping up hey power.

Speaker 7 (14:46):
And and and still to this day he hold the
club where all the young people come to.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Ain't no feeling, ain't murder, he ain't coming you.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Ain't respect one.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (14:57):
So ah, so he still got to He still got
all the young people love him in the city.

Speaker 9 (15:02):
On me.

Speaker 7 (15:02):
So everybody called him Pops. Right, So when I go
down there, and when I go down there and tell
him that, he give me the keys to the classy
lady on me. So if anybody it's a historical clue
of on me.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (15:14):
And it's in a black historical neighborhood. And it's in
the middle of a blood's neighborhood, and it's and and
and and and I'm the golden town of all the pastors.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
But the So, yeah, let me just drop this on y'all.

Speaker 7 (15:29):
I'm I'm, I'm working with the pastors at this time, right,
all the pastors. They telling me to get from down there,
that children don't need to be at the classy lady,
everybody know what.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Goes on down there. But what goes on down there
is these same children's mothers and fathers.

Speaker 7 (15:47):
So I got the kids in the daytime, and the
old got their mamas and.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Daddies at nighttime.

Speaker 7 (15:54):
So they mamas and daddy's come down there and fighting
and get drunk and partying, and then I come back
and repair the kids during the daytime on me. So
we end up working with both the mothers and the children,
and the fathers and the uncles and the.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Cousins right right in the same spot.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah, in that same spot.

Speaker 7 (16:14):
So, so I'm doing work with the juvenile system. I
was doing work with the school system. I was teaching, uh.
I was teaching classes at the JD. Hall Learning Center
at Lancaster Independent School District. I talked to those every Friday,
and that was an alternative school for mostly predominantly black children. Also,
I taught every Thursday at Metro High School in Fort Worth,

(16:37):
So I'm going back and forward. Then I went inside
the juvenile prison, the Juvenile Detention Centers.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
So I'm working inside there and I'm teaching a class.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
I'm teaching a class at the parole office every Tuesday
and Thursday to all the night coming home from the
state prison with this program that was called Welcome Back
Terrn County. Right, So home, I'm i'm, i'm, I'm, I'm, i'm,
i'm I'm.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
I'm out there doing the work. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Patient.

Speaker 7 (17:07):
So the old they give me the club. The police department,
they were like, well, man, Charleston. So the police is
telling me, man, Charleston, find your building. Uh, you know,
we'll help get you some grant money or you know,
to keep the building going.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Because don't nobody want me at the classy label.

Speaker 7 (17:25):
So my preacher buddies come to me, Man, My preacher
buddies come to me and they tell me, oh, man,
them kids don't need to be down there, or or
or you need to get the get the kids from
down there, and you can use the church. So I
think about it for a while, and and without saying

(17:47):
too much, let me just say this. The kids didn't
need to be down there, but them people are them
people gotta eat on me and that was the only
that was the only way for them people to eat.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
And they were trying to eat without the violence.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Right.

Speaker 7 (18:02):
So me being the golden boy not cussing, I don't
cussing around kids, but they down there.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Cussing right right.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
They cussing like a mom or.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
I don't come from a mother who cussed. So my
conviction is telling.

Speaker 7 (18:21):
Me, man, children don't belong down here. But man, this
is where these people live. This where these kids live.
I don't live in this environment. But I'm bragging my
kids with me. So yeah, one day I go to
the pastor. I go tell Pastor Chris Man, you right, Pastor,
them kids don't need to be down there, man, or
we need to come to the church. At this time,

(18:42):
we had about fifty kids that was coming every day.
We fed breakfast, lunch, and dinner. We took them on
field trips, and we had some parents. Some kids will
walk there as early in the morning, come get breakfast
seven o'clock. Some kids stayed there as late as eight
o'clock to eat dinner. They know they can make you
no money taking our trash. So I go to Pastor

(19:05):
Christ and tell Pastor Chris man, yeah, we want to
come to the church. He tells me, well, let me
go talk to the elders. How long do you have them?
So I told him how long I had him. The
next day he came back, and matter of fact, he
came to the class and lady to come look at it.
He came and met the old man Pops. The old
man Pops told me, man, them preachers ain't no good

(19:26):
or in so.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Many words, but in a good way.

Speaker 7 (19:30):
So after the pastor left from down there, the pastor
told me that we can use the church.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
We can bring them kids over there to the church
first thing in the morning.

Speaker 7 (19:40):
But he go have to charge of fifty dollars an hour,
fifty dollars an hour, and then we got to pay.
But the old man done gave us this club, this
two joint, this doe past, this whole house, this fighting house. Yeah,
and everybody says for free, and we fee them down
there and and listen, and we got computers down there.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
We got we we put bookshelves on the dance floor.

Speaker 7 (20:07):
We took up the dance floor and put computer. We
turned that money into a classroom and when the kids walked,
moved everything in the corner. Sir, all right, right, So
Pastor tell me fifty dollars an album, I say, damn.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
He telled me.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Well, we're gonna be using electricity. We go out.

Speaker 7 (20:28):
It's hot in the middle of the summer. Now it
is what the Amer's done said. So guess what, man,
We stay at the classy lady. The police keep telling me,
Man Charleston, go find a building, but man, I al'm
want the police no building, and they and I'm walking
at the time, and and everybody is believing.

Speaker 6 (20:48):
They see that, and hey, listen, I don't think you
never need to leave all that out because see going
through his own ship. But he's still grabbed him. Monkey
is trying to lift them up. They're sure true character.

Speaker 7 (21:01):
Man getting at the time, homie, I got, I got,
I smoke weed, but I can't afford to smoke it.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
But the believe in the work that I'm doing with
the kids. They do. I get my weed for free.
If I need gas money, give me gas money because
they see man down with them kids on me.

Speaker 7 (21:22):
So yeah, so so put it like this on the
leg the neighborhood in the streets taking care of me,
on me, cause I'm taking with the work that I'm doing.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
So check this out. I'm getting people.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
I'm getting people that's donating cars to my nonprofit organization.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Brand new car. I need the car. Well, guess what
I gotta get because that's what you know, you see
what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
So yeah, that's see that sacrifices something different, man, say man,
that's sacrifice.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
That's something different.

Speaker 7 (21:55):
I'm telling the old I'm telling the old Pops, I say, pops,
And I'm just coming out the streets on me. So
I'm really trying to be righteous, right, I'm really trying
to be righteous. And so I know I still got
some some residue in me. I know, I still I
still I still want to go back and ball a
little bit more.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
But I understover the purpers.

Speaker 7 (22:19):
Right, So right now I'm making sacrifices. I'm in the
beginning of this purpers driven walk. So I'm making sacrifices.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
So I know, I know, man, man, I'm getting paid
five hundred dollars for honorarium fees.

Speaker 7 (22:34):
So but by the time I get the five hundred
dollars for the honorarium fee, say man, I'm bringing it
back to help the kids. By the time I get
through Heaven the kids. When I get home, my kids
will say, Daddy, can we go get ice cream? And
I realized, man out and I got money for its
gas and food, not knowing for ice cream. So I
gotta tell my kids now. So so check game right.

(22:59):
So I'm I'm telling the old man. They offer me
all these big contracts, only two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars contracts, And I'm seeing all the mistakes that all
of our elders, all the people before us made with
the nonprofits.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
I'm seeing the mistakes that they making.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
I know if I get a two hundred and fifty
thousand dollars contract on me, I know I'm gonna stop
the work.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
I might go back to pimping.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
I might start going into this.

Speaker 7 (23:25):
You know, I'm gonna go buy me some pretty clothes.
I'm gonna rob me a bad car. I know I'm
gonna do this. I know I'm gonna go give me
a watch with some diamonds in it. If these folk
give me two hundred and fifty.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Thousand dollars with their grant money. So I was, I was,
I was honest enough with me to turn money down
on me.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
So it started.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
So that's just the grant money.

Speaker 7 (23:46):
The bribe money come, they all that, the sellout money come.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Broke.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
I was broke and didn't take it. Man, I will man,
that's strong. Man. If a game never told you that,
I need to tell you that.

Speaker 6 (24:02):
Man, that sacrifice right there is what separates. That's what's
separated because of money. Don't move and you gotta know
he walking with purpose. You see what I'm saying. Because
the money so attractive, man and money maker go to
doing something.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
He don't got no being he's doing, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (24:21):
So I started learning that most of the community work
is about money. Most of the churches doors that open
is about money. Most of the nonprofits isn't black money.
Most of the after school programs is about money. The
Boys and Girls club is about money. Everything that has

(24:42):
to do with us is about money. So I'm learning this,
but I'm.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
Not learning this from the black.

Speaker 7 (24:48):
Preachers because when they pull me to the they want
me to be quiet. The white folks were put giving
me a seat at the table and giving me a
microphone to be heard. The black people wanted me to
be quiet. The white people started picking me over the pastors.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
So it started.

Speaker 7 (25:04):
So now I'm not emerging up and coming young records,
so our elder.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Any resentment from the from the pastors.

Speaker 7 (25:12):
Oh, they started shunning me on me so that old
Willie Lynch, the old versus are young.

Speaker 10 (25:18):
So here I come.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
I'm young, I'm I'm I'm small.

Speaker 7 (25:23):
Or I got the perfect story of redemption from the
juvenile system.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Or I'm in college at the time as a pre
law student.

Speaker 7 (25:31):
So the white people are flocking to me because I'm
the poster child, and I'm articulate.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
I can articulate this. And I'm a state baby.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
I'm raised by the state juvenile system. I'm a state baby.
I was raised in the state system for fun.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Right, right right.

Speaker 6 (25:47):
We gotta get into that too, we gotta get into
that for So let me set that up for those
of you don't know.

Speaker 9 (25:53):
I'm gonna pull back some what state you from, and
let's kind of let's kind of pull it back a
little bit and get into your younger years, and and
and come up a little bit, and we're gonna we
got a.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Lot to get into.

Speaker 6 (26:05):
But I wanna I want to, you know, kind of
set the foundation because what I would like to happen
with my interviews is if somebody don't know who you are,
whoever this that I interview, I want them to be
able to look at the interview and get a snapshot
of who this individual is, you know what I'm saying,
without really having to search for anything else.

Speaker 9 (26:23):
You get a little of this little or they passed
little where they at now. So let us know the state.

Speaker 6 (26:28):
You in, the city you in, and kind of let's
get into your childhood a little.

Speaker 7 (26:32):
Bit, all right, Ben Man, I'm in fort Worth, Texas,
right outside of Dallas. For those of you are not
familiar with the Dallars Forward met metropolitan Area or fort
Ward in Dallas is two different cities, two different worlds,
two different to two different sets uh or two different

(26:53):
sets of black people. So yeah, Man forth warth Texas.
Uh uh deep batters in fort Worth, Texas? Oh yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
No, men, I grew up.

Speaker 7 (27:09):
I was born to a teenage mother, right, So I'm
gonna break this all the way down. Since we got time.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Ire ain't in no resh to go, no where, none
of that.

Speaker 7 (27:15):
My mother, my mother, had my brother at fifteen, had
me at seventeen. My grandfather and my grandmother were married.
My grandfather went into the Air Force. He come out
of East Texas.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
He was the first.

Speaker 7 (27:31):
He was the first of his brothers sixteen to come
from East Texas, Marshall, Texas, to Fort Wood, Texas. My grandmother,
Lucille Helton, she was a slave, which is my grandfather,
my grandfather's mother.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
She was a slave in Marshall, Texas.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (27:52):
The property the slave owner was the White Sloan Plantation.
So that's where I get my last from, from the
White Swan Plantation.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
My grandmother's name was.

Speaker 7 (28:04):
Lucille Helton, who was a bootlegger, had sixteen kids.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
She don't know who none of them kids is, so
I aggress she so.

Speaker 7 (28:13):
So my grandfather migrated off that slave plantation and came
to Fort Worth, Texas.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
This Fort Worth, Texas.

Speaker 7 (28:19):
Is really a military based town. So my granddaddy came
here and everybody else followed him. Most of the black
people who came here back in those times set up
on the west side of Fort Worth, but that's that's
where the military base was. My grandfather and my grandmother
had a hotel in the restaurant over on the west side.

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My grandmother's side of the family was street mother. My
granddaddy's side was country boys. They come to the city,
got My grandmother was a was a square rod with
her sister's name was uh. They was they were city slicking,
street hipsters, or my grandfather was a used to kick
my grandmama. Grandmama started cheating, got hooked on heron, got

(29:06):
hooked on heron. So my mother and them grew up
on the streets. They had a perfect life up until
mom was about five or six seven years old. My
grandfather worked for Paul Lumber Yo Paul Lumber Company, and
built his own house.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
One day, ma'am, Mama and them came home from school,
man all that was sitting on the curve.

Speaker 7 (29:24):
So mother grew up from house to house, family to
family in the streets as a teenage mother. And that
was typical back then. So she had had my brother
at fifteen, had me at seventeen. But she was a
woman of good morals or a dignified a woman of integrity,
and she had ambition. We started out in the projects.

(29:48):
I was born in Press Hall apartments. We grew up
and stopped six projects and.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
All of that.

Speaker 7 (29:53):
Man, my dad is from the from the South side,
the neighborhood, a prominent area. My dad retired from the Navy,
worked for the federal government. Uh. My mother wheeled herself
out of impoverished conditions laying the job at General motors
Man in the early eighties.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
And I can and I can.

Speaker 7 (30:10):
Literally recall, uh well, I don't ever recall being poor.
I can't ever recall being hungry, but I can recall
the difference in the environments or because we went from yeah, yeah,
we went from living uh in which back then men
living in Meadowbrook, uh, you know, living in the houses

(30:33):
part of the Stop six area.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Uh uh. We never really lived in apartments.

Speaker 7 (30:38):
And so but when we moved to uh Man, we
moved to Pantego Arlington, uh in the mid eighties, and
that was kind of like unheard of.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Homie right today, niggas still right today, Nigga still won't
go to Pentago.

Speaker 7 (30:51):
Or we lived around the corner, or I lived around
the corner and walked by Bobby Valentine house every day
and he was the manager for the Texas Rangers.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (31:01):
So I started, so I started going to predominantly white
schools or ever since I was like in the third grade,
and I can remember, uh, there being a significant difference uh.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
In the in the in the environment.

Speaker 7 (31:17):
So what I just described is is is the typical
traditional African American single parent homes. Uh. Mothers start out young,
you know, financially struggling, struggling, and because of.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Their determination and wheel power.

Speaker 7 (31:34):
Uh they wait, they worked themselves up to your your
your your your middle class to your upper middle class
social economic status. So uh, mom made it out of poverty. Right,
so we broke we broke the poverty curse. H. I've
never been strength by man. I've never been disciplined by man.
I ain't never seen a man come out of my

(31:55):
mother's bedroom. But she had boyfriends. Uh my mother made sure.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
My mother made sure man that we didn't get the
exposure of a man. Uh.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
And and sometimes that's all they take the center young
boy down the wrong path to Now you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (32:13):
That's that's that's that's probably the greatest thing of mother.
Uh No, I can't say that, but let me just
say this. I thank god my mother gave us no man.
You see what I'm saying, rather than having in that household,
and I'm forced to pick up his ways and his

(32:35):
traits and his characteristics because I'm around him and I'm
a little boy, and I can't get the identity but
from nobody but him, and he's the closest soldier. That's
what your uncles do, all the men and your mother
exposed you to. They deposit traits and characteristics on the boy.
So I'm glad. I'm glad mama didn't let us see
whenever she needed some. I don't know if you climbed

(32:56):
out the window the wind. That was.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Right because the.

Speaker 6 (33:01):
Girl that day, they fall victim to their emotions and
they get hot.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Theydn't have anybody around them. Kids. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (33:08):
Say, boy, listen when that she get wet and that
get hold men them kids.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Men everything for the man for the next thirty.

Speaker 9 (33:17):
Men say y'all get up, say don't come over here,
balls to us while.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
We but we ain't telling the kids.

Speaker 9 (33:23):
We make up all this right, and they that go
to sleep, God damn it. So we man, I'm telling
about man, hey had a young nigga as a as
a young nigga when I was coming up in the
street and I was young, might have had three four kids.
I had one wanted so bad from a just kind

(33:44):
of moving and shaking. She'd she would give her kids
a little sleepy medicine.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Man.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
And now that I look back on.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
That, that's not in them. Men.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
They ain't been drugging the babies. They been.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
They used to kill the babies.

Speaker 7 (33:58):
Girl, look up, I don't kind of they Listen, man,
when they come to dickon pussy, it's God.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Sometimes man's God.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
Some minutes.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah, yeah, say man, is man?

Speaker 4 (34:10):
This work?

Speaker 2 (34:13):
It's ever so listen take this down, oh say man?

Speaker 4 (34:17):
And this not I don't get back on topic.

Speaker 7 (34:20):
But men, them with the baby in the bed, she
pat putting the baby to sleep.

Speaker 9 (34:26):
She put the baby head up and the baby rocking. Man,
say what down.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
To thirty when they come to man, save the load?

Speaker 7 (34:39):
Know them kids in that room and be having that
void their heads rocking?

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Know the care?

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
They saying what is that? You know what that is?
They getting down? That's but that's exactly the truth.

Speaker 7 (34:55):
To say, man, we go bring it to you just
like that the way it is. So that's the way
it is. So back to what I was. So Mama
never let us see.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
That, homie.

Speaker 7 (35:05):
Oh and I and I think, and I thank her
for it, But it was a consequence to that. It
was a consequence to her not allowing us to see
these men. So I grew up looking and watching, right,
And what I mean by looking and watching because children.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Mimic what they see and repeat what they hear.

Speaker 7 (35:30):
So whatever man I saw, whether it was on television,
on the radio, my ears and my eyes tuned in
to watch him, whatever rat any man at the store,
because I don't I'm around men.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
I don't, So I'm looking to identify with what looks
like me, Mama at work, Mama at work.

Speaker 7 (35:53):
So I rarely see mama because when I'm getting out
of school and Mama going to work.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Sure, And that's to keep the lifestyle where it said.
So it's a give and takee man.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
No parental supervision, that's what that is.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
No parental supervision.

Speaker 7 (36:10):
So when I turned so I get to watch what
I want to watch. Ain't no grown up there to
stop me. And we got cable, say.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Man wadack way back in as.

Speaker 7 (36:24):
I'm watching television, I'm seeing Bill Cosby. Oh, I'm seeing
Red Fox. Oh, I'm seeing all kind of men. But
then when I walk out, okay side, I see my
uncle who just came home from the penitatri.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
He looked like some of them dudes I see on TV.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you want to.

Speaker 7 (36:53):
Spend less time watching TV and more time over there
and money, yeh.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
And he got some brothers and he got some brother
that's in the streets.

Speaker 7 (37:06):
And he got a dam and they drank burrow over
there and we can see talking. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
So when mama go to work, I'm going where it's at.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
So when I leave there, and we had a family reunions,
here come Uncle Hawaine Uncawayne, jumping.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Out of roll Royds.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
He'll pimp he got some yellow bad them perky tea.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah yeah, everybodywayne.

Speaker 7 (37:37):
Uncle Wayne's suit clean in the mother and he got
a briefcase. Say they say, Unclewayne, keep money in their
bree case. So when when Unclewayne come, we all line
up asking for a dollar. So when I see the
movie Mac, so what I'm trying to show people by
breaking this down, this is reinforced on me. The negatives,

(37:59):
the pimps. So I don't have no doctor to look at.
I don't have no no school principle to look at.
I don't have no man getting up, going to work,
putting on, no working. I don't have no James Evans
at home home. James Evans ain't in my household. Cliff
Huckstable ain't in my household. He who control no, say,

(38:21):
Homie CONCUSI said, he that controls images.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
Controls minds, control the mind.

Speaker 7 (38:29):
So the image that I got, Homie is gangsters, pimps,
drug dealers, because that wookers, because that the wook, his
brothers and the daddy. So that's what will spot to be.
It's not that we don't want to whoop a woman.
When you whoop the you got to bed. Now whoop
up brothers and everybody. So, yeah, y'all whoop killing your

(38:52):
brothers them too.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yes, that's who you wann a car man.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
That's them.

Speaker 7 (38:57):
The type of I saw every man ever say women.
So in my mind, we whoop women. Mama, I hear
what you saying. Mama said, don't hit no girl. Man,
I ain't no girl. I'm watching these men hit women.
And it was okay for me to whoop win that
that did. So what I'm saying is, homie. When I

(39:19):
put on my headphones as a kid, I want a father.
I can't play football, man, I can't play football after school.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Man, Mama say get home.

Speaker 7 (39:27):
She gotta go to work, and we gotta be in
this house exactly.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
My older brother man already in and out the boys home.

Speaker 7 (39:34):
So I'm at home by myself, no parental supervision.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
So I'm watching all the rap video.

Speaker 7 (39:41):
I'm listening to the ship when I come out in
my community, I see when whens come home from prison.
They have the big elaborate prison parties when the people
graduate from high school. When they graduate from high school,
man in the party, be bucking the mama, all.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
The all the somebody.

Speaker 6 (40:05):
And you know something too, Man, at that tender young age,
you you can confuse motion for progress. So just because
you see a bunch of more celebrating and you see
you don't really understand that they celebrating nothing. They boys,
but it looked like they live in a certain type
of way, and they moving, And I want to be moving.

(40:25):
You know what I'm saying, I want to be doing.

Speaker 7 (40:27):
The young mind, the young mind is impressionable. That's why
kids believe anything, if the young mind is impressionable. So
if I'm seeing it on TV right the in the
streets with the gold chains in the movie Painting for

(40:48):
that's how the streets look, right, yeah, So when you
see it on television, then you see it in the streets,
you're hearing all the music.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
It's proplagated to.

Speaker 12 (41:00):
Its propagated to a kid, homie, it's like propaganda, right,
so right, right, So when the when Easy Eating Them
Fred dropped that mother, When Easy Fred dropped that mother tape,
Easy does it?

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Eleven twelve years old? Homye listening to that?

Speaker 7 (41:20):
So nigga, they talking about fitting there and when they
went to one of the places and robbed and then
they took the girl to the back of the So
as a kid, we stopping the tape and writing it
down with this young and impressionable mind.

Speaker 6 (41:38):
So you got yeah and putting them words on paper
in everything.

Speaker 7 (41:42):
Come on, homie, So you got this young. So you
listening to these lyrics with no parental supervision. You ain't
got nobody saying, boy, let me listen to that and
hear what you listening to, yes, saying that's stupid.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
That dumb ass.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
You ain't got nobody, so there's no filter.

Speaker 7 (41:58):
So all you got is the this young, impressionable brain
that's undeveloped, so it don't have a logic and it
don't have a reasoning department. So everything, everything that a
child sees, it believes. Everything that a child hears, it
believes because it don't have the logic and the reasoning
to process the data. So with that, you got this

(42:22):
undeveloped mind that's impressed by anything.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
So you got these infolls on and.

Speaker 7 (42:33):
In situation where you get to freely listen to whatever
the f you want to listen to, and you get to.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Do this days in and days out, on top of
the fact that you have childhood trauma.

Speaker 7 (42:47):
You may be being abused, you may be neglected, you're
feeling unloved, you're feeling rejected, you you're becoming angry. So
you got all of this on top of these lyrics
that you're trying to process that you believe these people
are actually doing and getting away with and singing about it.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
And they are. They've reached start them with this.

Speaker 7 (43:14):
So in your young mind, you think, when ice Cube
say what he say, he really doing this. So when
you're walking down the street with your friends and you
get mad, and you're the leader of it.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
You want to do what he said, Man, what would
ice Cube do right now?

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Exactly exactly.

Speaker 7 (43:33):
So that's where the delinquent behavior come from, because you're
not really exposed to delinquency. So you got so the
music becomes the fuel to the situation, the conditions, and
the circumstance.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
It's not it's not the problem. It's the fuel.

Speaker 7 (43:55):
So if I'm angry and I'm listening to the type
of music that a fuel.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Of my anger, say it's home. If I'm sad. If
I'm sad and i'm in love with a heartbreak.

Speaker 7 (44:09):
And I'm listening to the type of music that a
fuel of my sadness, then I cry.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
I'm sad. I can't stop thinking about it. If I
listened to her, you see what I'm saying. So it's
the fuel to the.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Conditions, the circumstances and situations.

Speaker 7 (44:26):
So as a kid, you got this fuel all to yourself,
and nobody's addressing the situation, the circumstances, and your conditions.
When I get my weight up with my hate, I
pay them back when I'm bigger. I heard that as
a kid, wait to get.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
Yeah, that's deep, that's wait, that's plotting revenge.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
You can wait to get.

Speaker 7 (44:55):
So I'm not only listening to it Onmie, I'm meditating
on these words and lyrics.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
I'm not talking to my mama. I'm not talking to
my car.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
I see.

Speaker 9 (45:06):
So I'm flying under the red or right. So I'm
looking like I'm a good child. So I'm being compared
to my brother Ben, don't be like your brother. Then
I'm bursting at it and then out over that.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
I grew up. Uh. I fell in the washing machine
when I was five years old.

Speaker 9 (45:30):
My mama was sleep, I snuck outside. I snuck outside. Man,
Me and my cousin was playing.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Down at the larger Matt.

Speaker 10 (45:38):
I was jumping up and down.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
I was jumping up and down.

Speaker 9 (45:41):
On the on the on the Washington and fell in
or while the washing machine was on skin ah and
broke everything from my waist down.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
So I was in the body cast. So I had
to learn how to walk again. So I was in
a full body cast at five years old.

Speaker 9 (45:58):
So one day, Man, we were on Griggs in east Wood,
and everybody was outside.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Playing and and and and all the kids had came
in to see me.

Speaker 9 (46:07):
You know, I was laying in bed, couldn't get up,
and then they're outside.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
My mother was out, and then it sounded like they
were having fun, Homie and dad. I looked down at
my legs and five years old, the full body cast,
and I said, legs.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
You go rot.

Speaker 10 (46:23):
And I kept saying Mama, mama.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
And then one day that I had another home. It
was just after that, and you can hear them man
like everybody man say on me.

Speaker 13 (46:35):
I rose up and that body cast and I was
walking and a body cast in five years.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
The things from my dam. I'm broken. So the people
that know that all that I said, they thought, oh,
here was a medical child, homie.

Speaker 9 (46:51):
So I've always been everybody favorite, right family unions, when.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
God get together.

Speaker 10 (46:57):
Hey where that chanced to blue at y'all?

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Don't get that chance to blue? And I could do
the my action real good.

Speaker 9 (47:02):
So and so I followed the washing machine home at
five at seven, playing with a homemade slingshot. I put
my eye out right, you know, take the pintrol in
the rubber band and shoot.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
The rubber band.

Speaker 9 (47:17):
I turned the band back far didn't go and I
was shooting up at the light and that mother pintil
shrink back and hit me and ie.

Speaker 14 (47:26):
And so that's how I lost my eye.

Speaker 9 (47:28):
So I used to do the Michael Jackson so good
a homie. They were gonna put me on the uh
their show, putting on the hits. And a lot of
people might not remember that they go be too young.
And during that time, Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson used to
go all around the country and and when he go
to city is one thing he used to do.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
He would come to the hospitals, uh and see the children,
right man, I was one of them. I was one
of those.

Speaker 9 (47:50):
Kids, uh, mike Man, I was one of those kids
on me Uh when I was sleep, I had just cut.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Out of surgery. Uh.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
So I was.

Speaker 13 (48:00):
I was a little kid that could do the Michael
Jackson good the mother me so u. So I always
got attention. So I brought so just think from five
to seven. I had nine eye surgers.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Up until the sixth grade before I got my eyeput out.

Speaker 13 (48:14):
I had a private tutor from like I had a
private I had a white teacher that came to my
house from right.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Third now with kindergarten, first grade, second grade. So I
vaguely remember going to school. So I'm an institution kid.
HOMEI when my when my.

Speaker 9 (48:32):
Mother, when my mother would have to leave and go
home and be with my brother, I lived in a hospital.

Speaker 10 (48:41):
Who do you think would come in the room with
me and be.

Speaker 13 (48:43):
My comforter White nurses n yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
I could never be grateful. And when my mother would
leave me as a child, the white women would come
in there and comfort me.

Speaker 9 (48:59):
And doctor I had nine eye surgery, tell you marsh,
it's a lot.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Of time in there.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 10 (49:08):
I never yeah got to school.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
I never really got to go to school because I
mean always I always here in the hospital in yeah
yeah yeah.

Speaker 9 (49:16):
So then there were other kids in the hospital men,
I said, white kids would.

Speaker 10 (49:22):
Be my roommates when we'll be playing in the halls.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
We lived in the hospital because we were you know.

Speaker 9 (49:27):
So when I did start going to school, I'm the
kid be introduced. I might have a patch on my eye,
so all my eyes blue, but I'm well addressed.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
I got all there. I've always been some kind of attention.
I've always had.

Speaker 9 (49:46):
Said right right right, I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I draw attention yeah, yeah it is, but yeah, naturally,
So as a kid, I noticed it's like like like
a golden spotlight.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
God.

Speaker 10 (50:02):
He while, so when I reached out a lessen homie,
I've been around gold folks.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
So I got to see Uncle Wayne, I got to
see everything and all I've been doing, mimicking and repeating it.

Speaker 9 (50:17):
I was the kid who couldn't go outside the place,
so I had to stay out here with the brown
folk because they say I'm too bad.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
I'm hurting myself up.

Speaker 9 (50:24):
Yes, yeah, So while I'm in the house with the
grown folks and around the grown folk, guess what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
I'm listening.

Speaker 9 (50:33):
I'm man, I'm around one grumbo and on the reason
enough I.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Just want I'm playing attention. So I'm way in it.
When i'm soap opas on, I'm sitting in there, I'm
watching them soap opera. I'm listening. I'm taking everything that
grown folks getting. As a kid, I'm getting. Say, when
I'm going around as a.

Speaker 9 (50:58):
Kid, I'm gone, right, right right, I'm the band. So
I didn't know that then that's what made me a leader?
O mother could they didn't know Chris Worth.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I knew they couldn't sneak and listen to the music,
and I could listen.

Speaker 9 (51:12):
To I would write down and act like I made
it up, and they thought.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
That was me.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
You can have that exposure to dos, so you're easy
for me to come away and lead.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah, I'm the.

Speaker 9 (51:28):
Smallest when I'm gone, and all the first that went on,
the managing going on, getting in our.

Speaker 10 (51:36):
Y'all should put people.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
So that's what we do to our children, homies.

Speaker 9 (51:41):
So the flip side of that, right, when I'm around
a little girl, when Mama take me to her friend's
house and they got some little girls, like, guess what
I'm doing. I'm hurt, I'm gone.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Yeah, I'm trying to get on.

Speaker 10 (51:56):
It.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 10 (51:59):
Don't seeing it.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
I don't heard it.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, I'm gonna introduce these little girls. Went I was, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
cousins and all that, because you don't have the magical processes.
All I have is the impulse and emotions.

Speaker 9 (52:16):
So people, right, So when I still getting adolescent on
me and I got I would run away from home
and realize, ma'am, Mama just gonna hit me a couple
of times, and that ain't gonna hurt that run away
from home all the time.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Then I still hanging with.

Speaker 9 (52:34):
Older guys, and amongst older guys, I could leave because
I had an idea of a playing Yeah, and I
could play.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
And all and and I all of us could put
input in it on their alone, right, I think was
fantasized it.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I strategized this.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
I've had a listen to me and I'm for the
bill y'all away with this.

Speaker 9 (52:59):
I've had an idle mind from the time I was
born till I was twelve.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Idle mind, yeah, yeah, So had my.

Speaker 9 (53:11):
Mind from from my from my infancy to my adolescent
when I'm most impressionable.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
They thought I was a loster. Yeah, yeah, I snatched.
I'll snatch your grandmama Perial and Wich I know a little.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I ain't.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Then the white girl. In a minute, you can see
a white girl walking.

Speaker 9 (53:38):
Down the street at night time, tackle hall and somebody
front yard trying to take.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Up listening to that ship man, what you're supposed to
do to white people?

Speaker 9 (53:49):
Yeah yeah, listening to listening, sitting in there and listening
to them all, racing.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Them all the people have a minute, cause we got
to we need to make Yeah, listen to them old
foolish moan.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Yeah yeah yeah yeah, operating with no information. They don't
know much or nothing.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
No mother, Well hey, they ain't even got no being
of talking like this round.

Speaker 10 (54:14):
So well we lose some talk.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
So I'm saying what I take to it. All I
know is the whole white people, the white girl put back.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
In and get it.

Speaker 9 (54:26):
Dronk one trained on that girl. We learned change from
listening to our two ur clue, Hey we want.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Some yeah.

Speaker 9 (54:37):
One girl to this right right, So all the information,
it's not because someone sitting me down directly and teaching
me and training me.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I'm indirectly learnishing.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
From what I hear and what I say excess to Yeah.

Speaker 9 (54:57):
Exactly, Yeah, I thought that medic he's only at fifteen
September eighteen, nineteen ninety one, I had.

Speaker 10 (55:06):
Ran away from home. I took them on the crime street.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
We broke into my girlfriend's house or.

Speaker 6 (55:13):
In the leader again, having the evoration again, being able
to plot again.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
You know, like you say, we're in and around.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Them, the older people. You're a little more advanced than
all the brothers.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
You see what I'm saying, oh were continued.

Speaker 9 (55:27):
Now were the time all I run away from home.
I got my mama car in punt.

Speaker 10 (55:34):
She went out of town to the heart.

Speaker 9 (55:36):
Race, and my Grandmama at the hall or half third
babysitting still you know, you know, going through her recovering phase.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Book, still relaxing. So uh men wanted no gring in
that sleep.

Speaker 9 (55:50):
You can raise the mattress up and get the keys
from my father that we already know tring to go
to my father the mattress. Yeah, I'm gonna steal mama
call and go pick up my home. We're gonna get
your mother. Little girls, that's gonna sneak out. We're gonna
go snatch.

Speaker 10 (56:03):
Curses or do bier runs and do all.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Kinds of mama. So take it back and morning.

Speaker 10 (56:10):
Yeah, so I have done that.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
One night, man got mama car and pounded.

Speaker 10 (56:13):
Uh Mama came back and they whooped my mother, and
I was still scared of Mama.

Speaker 9 (56:17):
I just didn't give it damn about their masks. Whoop right,
Mama's disappointment or Mama's disappointment. Many times, uh man, seen
can be worse than ass whooping.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Because.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
You get a liqule enough, man, you get slick enough
to fake like the whooping hurt.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Oh that thing. They ain't moving the needle. But like
you say, we had a hold.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
And so I ran away from.

Speaker 10 (56:47):
Home and got away from home.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yeah, I got a car and found.

Speaker 10 (56:53):
It and away from home or at home, Man, my
mother could I.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Would not have imagined.

Speaker 9 (57:01):
Without doing this kind of son away from home. I'm
all these characters in my mind. I'm all these characters that.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
I done created. Yeah yeah, so I'm all these characters
I be based on the lyrics.

Speaker 7 (57:21):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
And and I've created these characters.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
In my mind.

Speaker 9 (57:23):
And so it's what I act like away from home then,
and and and on the surface, Uh, you were thinking
was a cold hearted child.

Speaker 10 (57:32):
And and there's no susting as a cold hearted child.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
There's no such thing as a child born bad. No
child is bad.

Speaker 7 (57:40):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
So when I run away from.

Speaker 9 (57:43):
Home, and man, I'm i'm I'm I'm doing everything. Uh
you know, my age is setting dope. Uh you know
that was the thing to do, you know, but we
were mostly you know, getting the dope, the trick with
the dope things, you know. Yeah, you know, miss thill.
You know, big Paul, give me one hundred and twenty

(58:04):
five out with the din shit. I tricked all one
hundred thirty with misking because she's speaking and kid so mar.

Speaker 14 (58:13):
So sitting there.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Wasn't never you know, I couldn't never grasp that because
I wasn't never poor.

Speaker 9 (58:19):
So crime So for most young children, uh and mostly kids,
that's not doing this to eat, it's it's it's the
thrill of crime suation. Yeah, yeahy, the thrill of men,
of of of being, excepting homy. And so that's how
it was, man, the rush that I got from snatching purses.
It wasn't never about no money, all right. So one day, man, nigga,

(58:44):
you know, uh, we decided to go to what I
we I decide, man, let's go to tomorrow. It's still
some started jackets.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Yeah yeah, man, we're.

Speaker 9 (58:55):
Gonna go still some started jackets. Man, we just go
grasp something. Run out, DJ are bad andy too, keep
up in the anty. First it go from we just
found him shore here.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Found now I'm in the store from run out with
some starter jacket.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
We we robbed off when we talked about robbing after that,
So what.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
I'm saying, so, uh, we all getting out of the store.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Before we break it to my girlfriend dad's house. We
break it to my girlfriend house.

Speaker 8 (59:23):
Man.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Uh her dad, dad was a Dollars police officer.

Speaker 10 (59:28):
Or I lived in a good neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Man. Uh, her dad was a Dallas police officer.

Speaker 9 (59:33):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (59:34):
They was a real good family. We stole, We stole
the building proofvesst we stole the gun.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (59:41):
So after that, Uh, we go to my neighbor. We
go to my older brother or Mike neim. Mike pawing
everything for us.

Speaker 10 (59:51):
When we leave. Mike, now uh, now all this got
some money when.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
We pawn everything.

Speaker 15 (59:56):
So I say, man, let's go to tomorrow because you
know we're going to Teams, which was a little ty
club they Friday.

Speaker 10 (01:00:07):
Uh and this was Thursday.

Speaker 9 (01:00:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Many, let's go run.

Speaker 10 (01:00:13):
Out tomorrow with some jackets.

Speaker 9 (01:00:14):
So then the other two partners they didn't want to
do it, and you said, man, drop those out, man,
come back and get us later.

Speaker 10 (01:00:21):
So I say, man, I want him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
I'm so anxious, homie, cause I don't run away from home.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
So you know, I'm just out trying to get something done.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Yeah, being wow home, I ain't got it on my mom.

Speaker 9 (01:00:31):
I'm stupid, So I say, man, let's go about the
Narcis house and let's see give the Narkis to drive
the car. Or so we went by to the Narco's
house and he was cutting my partner toward har with her.
So I tell him to spill what we gonna do. Say, yeah,
come back.

Speaker 10 (01:00:47):
Let us cut to lay on her, let me finish,
come to lawyer her and come back and get her.
I don't want to wait, so I leave me. Come on, man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
So many they go back from home and see I's
torn them.

Speaker 10 (01:00:58):
So I go get torn big tall over there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Say, man, come on, y'all, let's go do this.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
So I come up with the player. This is my idea.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
We're gonna going out, Uh raw the jackets in one.
So we go to the marrow it's mid.

Speaker 16 (01:01:12):
Day, or we go to the mall, or play some
video games going foot locker and uh, it was a
ni On ship and just looked like he could run fast.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Men know he can run fair or not. Look like.

Speaker 10 (01:01:27):
No, man, we ain't gonna do it, or we'll we'll wait.
So we gonna play video damage the game.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Uh, it's about an.

Speaker 10 (01:01:34):
Hour or two.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
God damn and we go back. It's a different shift now,
it's a white.

Speaker 10 (01:01:39):
Boy now with the boss in there, trying on hats,
trying on jackets, t us.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
We don't think we look suspicious, but it's the middle
of the day. We all kids.

Speaker 9 (01:01:54):
We grabbing jackets costs one hundred dollars, like we can
this body, Uh yeah man, and we got two three hats.
We already know the player that we do bill to
the back, you know here on one break before.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
We supposed to break. So we all got the break
we've got doing it or luller my hole, the white
brown do it. He run just as fast as we
thought that

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