Feat Charleston White Part 2

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Come on, man, shoot that month fall and my dream
was to be a killer. They shoot the victim.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
When we shot them in the chest. Three point fifty
seven blue Chip Hollow Park. They thought I was a monster.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Went out for my girl. In a minute, I run
away from home. I got my mama caught in pound.
She went out of town to the hard racing. My
grandmama at.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
The have half bad babysittings, going to recovering of phase
book still relapsed.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Charleston Whites born in the year nineteen seventy is a
US based content creator, YouTuber, motivational speaker, and all around
social media influencer. Charleston was well known for his amazing
YouTube videos.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
We stole the bulletproof vest, We stole the gun. He
stabbed his best friend's next to a neighbor. He stabbed
a ninety three times.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
And there's no such thing as a cold hearted child.
There's no such thing as a child porn bad. No
child is born bad.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
He constantly posted on his popular YouTube channel with over
two hundred thousand followers.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
So he holed a gun up and point the gun.
Then I'll tell the man give us back the keys.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
So he throw the keys now By this time all
was out the car, so he throw the keys to
the car owner. He get in the car. I turned around,
get in the car. Then I turned back and look,
come on.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Man, shoot that month file man. He hit it a
murder seeing his glory. This is a twelve of your
old kid, and there come up with blood.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
I'm seeing molten games were scary, or I'm seeing molten games.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Probably for the same reason I joined. I wanted to
be accepted. I wanted to be a part of something.
And if being part.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Of something mean that I had to participate in and somebody,
then I would have participated.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
In bringing this looks so easy? Are your other podcast
can tease me?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Making this looks so easy? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yeah, Lord Jo Roads bunged up the craze before a
million dollars port the game had his face before drink
Champs poured it up on the floor. We were the
ones knocking down on the door. Were clean in the voice,
but their actions don't map. Some podcasters fumble and lose
their own catch. We keep the one hundred relieve in
the pack while others play chess. We stay on track

(02:12):
to the place where the culture is hot, where the
realness is where.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
But we've gotten this spired from the grind to the rible,
carved on the throne, with looming on the mic, and
never alone till.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
Then happen every week we thrive where the culture means
the hustle.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's a whole new five.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
No dam, it's no game, it's just truth on the dome.
It's up there podcast the culture's home.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I've had a listen to me, and I'm for the
blow y'all away with this. I've had an idle mind
from the time I was born till I was twelve.
Your mind I didn't take. Yeah, yeah, so had my
mind from from my from my infancy to my adolescent
when I'm most impressionable.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Mh. They thought I was a monster.

Speaker 6 (03:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I snatched.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
I snatched your grandmama period and break our nose and
let it go, man.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
I white girl in a minute, still white girl walking
down the street at night time in the alcohol and
somebody front yard.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Trying to take up listening to that ship man. Yeah,
what you're supposed to do to white people?

Speaker 7 (03:37):
Yeah yeah, listening to listening, sitting in the house listening
to them old racist as the mom and the people
have mama over with because we gotta we need a baking.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah that grandmama listening to them old foolish.

Speaker 8 (03:51):
Yeah yeah yeah yeah, operating with no information. They don't
know much or nothing.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
No, man, they ain't even got no being in talking
like this around it with this food to say, revenue
and talk. So what I take to it. All I
know is to hurt white people. A white girl put
cracking or get a drunk.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, one train on black girl.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
We learned to trains from listening to our two line crew.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Hey, we want some pussy. You didn't know noboudy So
when girl to we heard that shit right right. So
all the.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Information is not because someone sitting me down directly and
teaching me and training me. I'm indirectly learning shit from
what I hear and what I.

Speaker 8 (04:38):
Got access to exactly, show Man, when I taught that mother.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Case on me at fourteen September eighteen, nineteen ninety one,
I had ran away from home. I took my nigga's
name on the crime spree. We broke into my girlfriend's house.

Speaker 8 (04:55):
Being the leader again, having the information again, being able
to apply again, you know, like you say, then around
them the older people, you a little more advanced than
the brothers. You see what I'm saying. Oh, well, continue,
I run away from home.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
I got my mama call in pounding. She went out
of town to the heart racing my grandmama at the house.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Uh half fat babysitting still you know, you know, going
through her recovering phase, but still relapsing.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
So uh she man wants to go bringing in their sleep.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Nigga, you can raise the mattress up and get the
keys from up under that we already know.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Brand and go put under the mattress ship. I'm gonna
steal mama call and go pick up my homeboy. We
go get your mother.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Little girls just go sneak out. We go go snatch purses,
Uh do bill runs and do all kinds of shit.
Mama call, Uh so take it back in morning. Uh
So I had done that one night. Man got mama
call and pounded. Mamaa come back and go poot my mask.
And I was still scared of Mama. I just didn't
give a damn about their masks, Mama's disappointment, Mama's disappointment. Man.

(06:00):
At times, man seemed can be worse than ass whooping yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, because.

Speaker 8 (06:07):
You get a slick enough, man, you get slick enough
to fake like the whooping hurt oh ship that shit
ain't it ain't moving the needle.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
But like you say, when.

Speaker 6 (06:19):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
And away from home or at home, man, my mother
could have would not have imagined I was out doing
this kind of ship. So away from home, I'm all
these characters in my mind.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
I'm all these characters that I done created.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So I'm all these characters only based
on the lyrics.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Uh. And I've created these characters in my mind.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
And so this is what I act like away from home, man,
And and and on the surface, uh, you were thinking
it was a cold hearted child. And and and there's
no such thing as a cold hearted child. There's no
such thing as a child born bad. No child is
going bad. Right, So when I run away from home, man,

(07:11):
I'm i'm I'm I'm doing everything.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Uh you know, my age is setting dope.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Uh you know that was the thing to do, you know,
but we were mostly you know, getting the dope, the
trick with the dope things, you know, right, yeah, yeah,
you know, Miss Frill, you know, Big Paul.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Give me one hundred and twenty five hours worth the
dome and ship. I tricked all one hundred thirty.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
With mesking she is because she's sneaking and hid so
so setting dope what never.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
You know, I could never grasp that because I was
never poor.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
So crime so for most young children, uh and mostly
kids that's not doing this to eat, it's it's it's
the thrill of crime situation. Yeah yeah, that thrill man,
of of of being in trouble homie. And so that's
all it was, man, the rush that I got from
snatching first. It wasn't never about no money, all right.

(08:10):
So one day man, you know, uh, we decided to
go to we I decide.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Man, let's go to tomorrow. It's still started jackets. Yeah yeah, man,
we're gonna go still some started jacket man. We just
go grab some and run out up.

Speaker 8 (08:27):
In the too, keep up in the anty. First you
go from we just found a big sure he found it.
Now I'm in the stove and run out with some
starter jacket man.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Robbing after we talked about robbing after that. So what
I'm saying, So.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Before we break it to my girlfriend dad's house, we
break it to my girlfriend house. Man, her dad was
my dad was a Dallas police officer. Or I lived
in a good neighborhood. Man her dad was a Dallas
police officer. They was a real good family. We stole
we stole the bulletproof vest, we stole the gun. So
after that, or we go to we go to money

(09:07):
for the brother or Mike Neim Mike pawing everything forward
when we leave Mikenim.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Now all of us got some money when we pawn everything.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
So I say, man, let's go to the mall because
you know we're going to teas which was a little
tay club and Friday, and this was Thursday.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Man, let's go run after mall with some jackets. So boom,
mother two partners. They didn't want to do it. Let
me say, man, drop us out, man, come back and
get us later.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
So I say, man, I'm on, I'm so anxious, homie,
cause I don't run away from home.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
So you know, I'm just after wire, trying to get
something done. Yeah, being wild home. I ain't got my mom.
I'm stupid. So I say, man, let's go.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Let's go about the Narcis house and let's see get
the Narcis to drive the car. So we went bout
the narca's house and he would cutting my partner to
warn have with her. So I tell him to spill
what we gonna do. Say, yeah, come back, let us
cut to warn her, let me finish, cut to one
on her and.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Come back and get us. I don't want to wait,
so I leave. Man, come on, man, so man, let's
go back over here and see if torn and ready.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
So I go get torn, big torn over there. Say, man,
come on, y'all, let's go do this. So I come
up with the playing This is my idea. We go
go in there, ride the jackets and run. So we
go to the mall it's mid day, or we go
to the mall, or play some video games, going foot locker,
and uh, it was on shift and just looked like

(10:29):
he could run fast. We ain't know if the run
fair or not. Just look like, oh man, we ain't
gonna do it, or we'll we'll wait. So we go
play video games again for about an hour or two,
and god damn it.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
We go back.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
It's a different shift now it's a white boy now
with a broll. We in here trying on hats, trying
on jackets, and to us, we don't think we look
suspicious the.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Middle of the day. We all kids, it's the mid
of the month.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Date were grabbing jackets costs one hundred something dollars, like
we can this body and ship man and we got
two three hats big. We already know the plan was, dude,
go to the back man break before we supposed to break.

(11:17):
So we all got the break.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
God, dammit, lower and behold the white boy. Don't do it.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
He runs just as fast as we thought that.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
He just looks slow. Say well, he's a white boy.
You you get over on them?

Speaker 6 (11:35):
Yeah, you think.

Speaker 8 (11:36):
I get out of here and.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
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Speaker 2 (13:04):
Listening to your culture, listening to the around here. I
grew up thinking white boys was weak, mescans were weak.
I thought everybody was weak.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Man white men.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
You don't know until you get in jail. It's a
white boy, whoop you, it's a misskan that. So you
don't know this weak until you go to jail. We
don't get exposed and.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
The game be on a hunter. Yeah, it's some of
the best wolfing ever made. Boy, because you can talk
loud and you got your bible, so listen. So to
see the white boy in there, pomat me. Think the
white boy slow because he white man. That white boy
could run.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
So when we run out homie, when we run out man,
we get to the car, when one of the drop
his hat a summer he got to run around the
car a victim or was a was a white man
by the name of Michael Lee Or.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
He had just got married three days prior to that.
So he in the car.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Thank his car broke down or something. So he had
a parking lot working on his car, and he see
what's going on this broad daylight. When we get to
the car, I jumped in the back seat with the gun.

Speaker 8 (14:10):
So y'all got the jackets by this point, y'all trying
to get away?

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, we get in the car
with the jackets and everything.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
You don't then get in the back seat. I jump
in with the gun.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
I don't know why this couldn't put the car neutral
or out of park or something, but he couldn't go nowhere.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
He tryed to. He missing it, that's what he.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Was missing neutral instead of putting it in part it
was old old regale.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Man with seconds.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
As we got in the car, our victim or mister
Leey ran over a dove on top of the car
and he started hitting the windshield.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Boom, boom.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Ain't booking cracking the shield, but it ain't cracking. So
now the driver he panicking.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, Sam, what you doing?

Speaker 6 (14:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Man? So now he playing like he don't know what
we done done. Man, I don't know what's in un done? Sir.
What are you doing?

Speaker 9 (14:58):
Sir?

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Man? What'syat? Gun? Looking at the ship? Ship going so fast?
I'm telling them the gold gold, So we ain't going over.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
So we throw all the jackets and hats after one
new things and that's go make it stop.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Man. They ain't trying to They ain't trying to leave.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
They won't justice say, man, that man reaching them.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
I don't know how he done it, but boy, that
reaching it. And turn the keys off and took the
keys out. Technicians. God, Now we stuck and I'm sitting.
I'm sitting on the gun so I can get a
gun shoot that man. We can't. I can't get let
me out.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Man, Listen, you know I'm legal, you know, and I
think big gotta let me out the back seat. So
I get up aft the back seat tell her, hey, man,
give up back to the key. He say, if y'all
want the keys, you have to wait for the police
to come here.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
So by this time, man, I'm man shooting.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
So the driver is getting out the driver's seat and
he walks around from the driver's side to the back
of the car to the passenger side where I'm at.
So he hold the gun up and point the gun.
Then I tell the man give us back the keys,
so he throw the keys. Now by this time all
of us out the car right, So he throw the
keys to the car owner and he get in the car.

(16:23):
I turned around get in the car. Then I turned
back and look, come.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
On, man, shoot that month file man.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
He hit it in the chest three fifty seven blue
chip hollow points. When the full locker man saw him
get out with the with the gun, he took.

Speaker 6 (16:40):
Out a tree.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's a parking lot full of people just looking or
unbeknownst to us, it's a girl that we go to
school with didn't go to school that day, and hear
and their mother was at the mall, so that's how
they identified it. So as we leave him stand over
and look at him get in the car. Everybody quiet.
We shot that, so we laughed like everybody lad, with

(17:01):
no real understanding of what we had just done. You
just know I got away, man, You know, man, you
just know you've done something and within a couple of
hours you'll forget as if it's you didn't stay around
and watch him die all you know, man, Yeah, you know,
it's like the movies. It goes to another scene and

(17:21):
it goes away to a kid. So we go back,
you know, to the neighborhood, bragging about it, but we
line saying that some white boys tried to jump or
not knowing that it fit to be on the news
in a little bit. So then we walked down to
some apartments or to go trick with this dope fend
named Renee.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
So Renee, we fould go to the v C all
take place. We foulda go get us some.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Naked movie and trick off all of the dope and
a little money not from pawning everything.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
We feld take uh Renee, and one of and all
of us in love with that grown pussy and and
and one of us want to go to sleep with
her like we her boy friend. Uh you gonna get her.
She gonna have all the dope. This, man, is how
we started out sending dope as kid.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
You know how I went went today, were going to
Taco Bell, so I was gonna stay back to get
the jump on your name. So I got the gun
on me. I think she went and called the police,
went to Taco Bell. She said, hold, I'll be back.
I'm go use the pay phone. So when she came
back in the house, she was saying.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
You got to get out of here. Oh, you got
to get out of here.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
So when I'm a fourteen year old kid on me,
I look out the window.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
It's news camera. Man, it's god, man, it's everything out there.
I go on her patio.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
I had on some skied overalls with this old nylon shirt.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Or I take the nylon shirt, wrapped the gun up
and throw it on the roof. The arm sleeve of
the shirt hangs off the roof.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, she said, man, you got to get out of here,
and we're gonna tell him you in here.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
So boom, nigger.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'll go out and uh as I try to sneak
by one of the news reporters, UH seen me.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Hit that camera. There ain't go, I take off running.
They chased me and ship nigger.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
I remember when they caught me, I had already been
I was on probation. Uh they when I got charged
with capitol murder. I had just got put on a
year of probation for shooting at some white people.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Remember I told you I had it in for white folk.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
I was put on a year of probation for shooting
at some white people. Uh like early June of that
of that summer. Uh, school has school has started? In
August I called attempted murder case that I was allegedly
accused of trying to run some dudes over in the
stolen car at this teenage club that was called Grahams.

(19:41):
After a shootout, they locked me up and then the
judge released me. Uh so I can start my start
my school year. And then two weeks later I came
back for capitol whatever. Uh it was front page paper
headline news we killed the white men.

Speaker 8 (19:56):
Because I know you said back then they wouldn't charge
kids with with capital murder?

Speaker 1 (20:02):
What was the situation back then? They did? Homy See
it started in California.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Homy seventy two, seventy three children in California began killing
prior to that, there's no real record. There's isolated incidents,
but there's no massive amount of children who became murderers.
That didn't come about into seventy two seventy three due
to the crypt Bloods.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
So they set the.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Tone of juvenile delinquency, of juvenile crime, juvenile punishment in America.
It was isolated only in California and then somewhat in Chicago,
but more so in California.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
So when I caught my murder case.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
And this is outside of California, we became the first
generation of children in the United States of America who
began to be charged, who began committing crimes such as
capital murder and running when that.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Rapper right, So we're the first generation. That's when you
hear the term super predator from Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton.
That's because we.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Became the first children to start killing Robin Karjack and
raping Toms and killing.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Society had never saw that before.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
So when they came out and said that we have
ah children who are super predators.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
In the description of super predators, can you imagine a
fourteen year old looking like Lebron James.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
That's what that's We were the first generation. They could
play in the NBA at eighteen years old.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, developed that.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
You see what I'm saying. So we became.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
They knew what they was giving us in our foods,
they knew what McDonald's, so they knew that our body structures,
we would be bigger, we would be faster.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
That's why we start breaking records, running and shit.

Speaker 7 (21:59):
You know.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
Yeah, yeah, what they mean by.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Super predators because we was gonna have all of these
traits and characteristics to be able to outrun the police,
to be killed people at one time with our ball
hands because we so and we're gonna from criminals.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
They knew that, right, So I fell then.

Speaker 8 (22:20):
Also, if you look at it, like look at what
you were doing at fourteen, imagine that twenty.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Four a decade a thug and what would he be
doing at you.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Know time, Say, homie, we were living, we were raping.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
We didn't know we were raping. Yeah, we didn't know
what it was. The culture, homie.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
We would we snatched parishes and and from old women.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Nigga, we shout up old women houses.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah we'll we'll kill your grandmama for this crip ship.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Right right, no nomber so oh, we was children who
lacked consciousness.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Of a mall compass, right, meaning we had no morality.

Speaker 6 (23:02):
Right right, right right?

Speaker 1 (23:04):
And so when they so we're the first generations, right.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
So, so here we come with the murders in the
in the late eighties, early nineties.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
They were children.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
So society, this big shock wave of fear is sent
through America. We have to get tougher on juvenile crime,
we have to get tougher on children's So that's when
the trend of America say, okay, mass incarceration. Oh, we're
gonna take fourteen year olds and try to.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
So.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
So society no longer had compassion for trouble ute because
of us, because we start the seriousness in the heineus
of our crimes.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
So in reality, Homie, we really were. I was a
super predator.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
Yeah, we all were.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
We rolled around, We.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Woke up hunting niggas kill them. We rode through neighborhoods
looking for certain things.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
We men.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
So we were super predators. Yeah, and we wasn't doing
it for money. These wasn't economic crime, n.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
I'm saying. So I went into an institution for us, specifically.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
To Texas the nineties, eras of incarceration was more rehabilitative, right,
It wasn't a system of punishment.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Right to commit a murder and get two years.

Speaker 6 (24:31):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah back.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, man, I'm saying for my generation, niggas had two
years for murder, right, had two years.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
On the murder.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
There was guys who had forty years, right and went
home in five years four years.

Speaker 6 (24:47):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
I remember my uncle im.

Speaker 8 (24:51):
Telling me, man, they used to get paid the sheriff
and all kind of shit to get out of murders
and ship back in the day when no computers or
none of that kind of shit.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Keep in mind we talked about children. Your children have.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Children have never been able once they get into custody.
So what they did with us, society had never saw
children who would commit murder before us. We are the
first kids that begin. We got to build an institution
of locked children up for.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
Murderers, right right, right right.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Man in America, we're just talking.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Out to man, were just coming out not too long ago,
Jim Crow in.

Speaker 8 (25:27):
The civil rights trouble, right right right right now, they're
starting to kill.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Now you got twelve year olds that's stabbing their next
door neighbors. You got thirteen year old kicking in door,
raping seventy eight year old women.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, old burning up with cigarettes.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Hitting in the head with a hammer, shooting her then
is setting on fire.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Nigga. You got kids cutting off people earls, Nigga.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
You got kids going in, killing the mama, killing the brother,
killing the little sister, and taking the girlfriend off.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
You got kids committing these caps in eighty eight, eighty nine.
So the court system is seeing this, the police is
seeing this, the lawmakers are hearing about these crimes, right, say, homie,
I didn't know our city, Homie, I didn't know. I
didn't know kids killed like.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
This until I went into an institution and there was
four hundred more than kids.

Speaker 8 (26:27):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
O full roommate killed this mom and his daddy and
his and his pen pound was Charles Manson. Man, I'm
win in that institution, man, hey, man, So society seeing
these type of crimes, homie, Now we saying, man, they
roll Hey homie, man, I know I know some horrible
crimes from kids committed. Yeah, and most of us wanted

(26:51):
our hearts to be cold. I wanted I wanted a
cold heart homy. My desire and my dreams was to
be a killer based off the information I was said,
the things that I saw right.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
I wasn't an abused kid.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
My mama didn't beat on me. I wasn't molested. I
didn't have that post traumatic stress that a fuel anger
from pain. I just see on lord from a father.
I ain't never had a man around home, So I
felt unloved by my daddy, and that hurt made me
gravitate to others who was hurting in pain, and by

(27:28):
us all gravitating and bonding together out of hurt, pain, dysfunction, neglect,
and rejection, we all became delinquent.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
So we all learned bad thing from one another.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
We wasn't encouraging each other to join the debate team.
We wasn't thurging each other to stay on the football team.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
With football, we woulda go breaking the house to go
to practice today.

Speaker 8 (27:51):
So when you caught when you caught the murder, they
decided at that point of time, around that time, they
decided to start trying trying keep.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Is as an adults. How many years or what?

Speaker 2 (28:02):
What was the sentic in what was the Guy eighty seven,
Texas created a law called the Texas Juvenile Determined Sentencing Law,
and that law says that if a kid commit a
felony mainly murdered capital murder, rape, arson, kidnapping, and chad molestation,

(28:23):
you could be sentenced an attempted capital murder. You can
be sentenced anywhere from two to thirty years.

Speaker 8 (28:31):
Okay, you can only be tried as a trio He
is God damn yeah so so so from.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
A so from age twelve. So from age twelve to
twenty one, you could be sentenced anywhere from two to
thirty years. If you committed it after seventeen, chances are
you going You're going to the county jail because that's
what age you go to the county. But juvenile jisdiction
remained up until you was twenty one.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Back in my day.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
So then I had a buddy by the name of
Terrence Sampson. He could minute one of the most heinous
volume times in the history of this state. He stablished
his best friend, his next door neighbor. He stablished ninety
three times inside his house.

Speaker 6 (29:11):
Good ju He was.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
At twelve years old. At twelve years old, he established
ninety three times.

Speaker 8 (29:17):
You know what, and now I need I need the
people watching the even understand what.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
You gotta go through the stab it once, so to
keep stabbing him. Now, you gotta have some anger and
shit built up.

Speaker 8 (29:28):
You gotta have some that just fueling, like like we
were speaking about something fueling that shit.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
What's inside of a twelve year old child? Man? What's
inside of a twelve year old baby that'll make him
trick his friend and the coming over to his house
cat so he can kill him? Is that a monster?
It ain't no monster than a kid. Damn.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
So let me stopping I'm on Paul for a minute
and let me paint this picture.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, Terry Sampson was a good Wasn't nothing like us
been trying to gang bang.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
He was the only child, and because his parents was
well to do, they moved out of the ghetto and
they moved into an upper class, middle class neighborhood in
the mid eighties, like my mother did, looking for a
better life, because all black people were doing that.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
We was making it out.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Of poverty as a race man, right, So we moved
into these neighborhoods and we moved next door to white people.
But Terrence then lived out in Round Rock, Man and
it wasn't a lot of black people. They were still
kind of races out there, so he was still kind
of by hisself isolated as a kid who was the
only child. He had a white next door neighbor, man
Kelly Kelly Brumlow.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
They were best friends.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Could play basketball Alan Overson before Alan Overson even.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Was it sent to us right right? That was a
genius homie.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
That neigh or so high on the SATs and the
acts in the juvenile system. The college courses didn't have
no one fight down there, but they said he was
a violent, vicious monster at twelve years old. Yeah, so
one day, right, so at nighttime, Terrence used to sneak
in his mama and daddy's room and get the gun

(31:15):
after dresser and stand over his mom and daddy with
the gun because he really wanted to kill his mom
and daddy.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Remember I told you I I grew.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Up with children who killed their mothers in their fat
You know, you know how many kids think about killing
their mama because she beat him so bad? You know
how many kids think about killing their mama. Caulse she
letting that keep molesting him, and she know mama might
have an idea. They get molested, but mama playing like.
You know how many kids think about killing their mom
and they daddy.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, but the mom and daddy don't know it right.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
So Terrees used to go in there, man, but he
never had the courage to do it.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Terre' daddy used to beat him.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Daddy used to punch on him, yeah, and knock him
and knock him out and then get on top of
him laid on the ground, waking back up with punches
choking it.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Why you lot of me, boy? Why you lot to
me boy? Why you lot of me boy? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Baby boy, baby set up until his mama going down,
and the boy, the boy terrified of his daddy. If
the boy leave a dish in or scene, you gonna
get your ass pounded.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Come on, you know how we do our kids?

Speaker 6 (32:23):
Someone up the beat Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
So so Terrence be scared to leave them dishes in
there sometimes, so he put them up under the bed.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
He used to put him up under the bed. One
day Daddy found him old dirty dishes up under the bed. Boy.
You know what you gonna get, don't you?

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Can you imagine a person that get tortured and get
beat all the time. And the anticipation, yeah, anticipating when mama,
when Mama say I'm gonna whoop your ass, and you
got to wait all day for an ass whooping you.
The anticipation is a psychological torre.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
Yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
So you find them up under the bed, say, boy,
you go get it. That little boy thinking about man,
what's going happening? And he loved playing basketball, so we
went outside and he played basketball with Kelly.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
They played for a little bit, then all of a sudden,
Kelly said, I need to go in the house. I
heard the phone ring.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Now this is a kid that's dealing with something, the
anticipation of abuse, and it's and it's bad now, and
it's to the point where I'm thinking about killing.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
It's so bad.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
And I'm a kid at twelve years old, and it's
fear that I'm feeling.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
But I'm also tired of being rejected. Yeah, I'm feeling alone,
you know what I mean? Kids fill alone and rejected.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
And why you think beat women because they can't deal
with rejection and they learnt it.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
They got rejected so much as a kid. If you
reject me, I.

Speaker 8 (33:48):
Kill you reject me.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
That's where they get that from. Yeah, so Kelly said
the phone ring.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
But this little boy that got this this darkness in
him didn't hear the phone ring.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, man, she gonna reject me too. I ain't done.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Okay, When I go in this house and I call
this house phone, they ain't have cell phone back in
the day.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
When you call somebody house phone, the phone was busy.
He had to wait till they get off the phone.
You had to wait to get off the phone.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
So this twelve year old kids say, I'm fit of
go in here and call her. And if that phone
is not busy, I ain't gonna kill mom and daddy.
I'm gonna kill a hawk because that's rejection.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Rejection trigger them.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, no matter who reject you to call it trigger
those child those emotions.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Right. So when we called killing killer asked off the phone.
So he call heerse her tricker and the coming over.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Soon as she come over, man, he started stabbing her.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
And while man, you know that you got, they come again,
come again, getting stuck in the bone.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
And the blood is keeping out. And this is your
best friends.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Saying why are you doing this? Meter Yeah, I will
say nothing. That why you're doing this? And this kid
got Is he angry? Is he hateful? Is he a monster?
What can be inside of a twelve year old kid
home in the drive that fear pain, abuse? So as

(35:43):
he's stabbling a homie, just think it's hitting her on.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
They counting every mark is to the police, got markets on.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
So at some point she's saying, I won't tell anything.
I won't say anything. He dropped the knife, he stopped.
You're asking me, how do I know this?

Speaker 2 (36:06):
As I traveled the country, I never forgot Terren Sampson
because he was a good kid.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
He wasn't mean. We were down there bullshit. All of
us was good kids.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
But he was a little different, right, And I never
forgot his story. I got to meet his victim's mother,
or miss Brumlow.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
I got to meet her.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
When they sent Terrence to prison. I got to hear
her story. And so I would tell Terrren's story everywhere
I would speak. And when I tell people that he
was a twelve year old kid who stabbed somebody ninety
three times, they would be taken aback by his story.
And he got no sympathy. And I'm telling people he
was a twelve year old kid. Even they look at

(36:47):
that and said no, no, man, ninety three times. So
let me finish telling the story. He dropped that night
when all that was happening, and I wrote him and
I said, man, Terrence, I mean, I'll be telling your
story home in and man, people they be taking it back. Man,
I need to know why. And man, he wrote me

(37:08):
a very detailed letter. I'm only shut it with one person,
and that was Barbary Sanders with the four Worth Star Telegram,
and that was to help him make parole. He wrote
me a detailed, detailed letter of his crime and his relationship.
I used to pay attention to him when we was
locked up. Every year of the anniversary, he got sad,

(37:30):
he got depressed, and it was always on the news,
even to this day. It's thirty some years later, thirty
some years.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Later, still on the news.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
So I wanted to speak for him while I was
out speaking on behalf of him and advocating for him.
He spent twenty nine years on a thirty year sentence
for that crime he committed at age twelve. So he
wrote me the letter, and I read that letter so
I can talk about No child is boring bad. That's

(38:03):
one of the worst situations I think a kid can
could be in. And I like talking about that situation
to show people that no matter what a child does,
no child is boring bad.

Speaker 6 (38:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
So while we're paused, before I continue on with with
with with this story.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
While Terrence was on top of Kelly, stabbing her, I
want to let y'all know that he got on top
of her the same way his daddy got on top
of him.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Remember I told you his dad would straddle him, put
his knees on his shoulder.

Speaker 8 (38:30):
Shut up with Yeah, why you lie when you stabbed him?

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Why you lied him the same thing he there you go.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Children mimic what they see and repeat what they hear.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
He did the exact same things to Keilly that his
father would do to him. So at one point in time,
he dropped a knife, Homie, I said, man, what'll make
you pick you back up? Not that I was afraid
of the police, he says in the letter.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
He was more afraid of.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
That abusive fault and what that abusive father would do.
So you know what he did.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
I want to go on into jail house, man, I got.
I don't know nothing about where I want to go,
but I can't.

Speaker 6 (39:13):
Back yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
I can't let hotel you a twelve year old kid,
put Homer. We're talking about a twelve year old kid
with an undeveloped brain. We're trying to make logical to
see an undeveloped brain.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
He don't know what he's thinking, you know what he's
driven by?

Speaker 6 (39:31):
Feer beer Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yes.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Why they say, don't make nobody afraid of you, man
a scary person. Now, yeah, send me by fear to
reach back down and pick that knife.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Up and finish that back again. Kiss man, now listen,
I'm doing this. You can't even do this ninety three times.
You can't want to.

Speaker 8 (39:53):
Tell imagine yanking it back yard and gotta.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
This is a twelve year old kid, brother, So let
me finish painting this picture.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
The blood is a little bit darker when it's coming
from deep wounds.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
It ain't light red.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
It's a dark, dark, dark head color, nasty looking, and
guts come out too, fragments of shit.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
It's nasty. It's goory.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
Yeah yeah, a murder seen is goory. This is a
twelve year old kid in the cover with blood. What
a what my daddy gonna do? Not the police? What
my daddy's gonna do, not the police. So he dragged that,
He dragged that dead body through the house.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Imagine what kind of blood trailer is left?

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Well, holes next, cut right right, whatever it is. Yeah,
bleeding is what I'm saying. Yeah, he'd take up to
the backyard.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
He lay up back on the ground and position her
feet up against the fence in an incline position, and
restack the firewood over her body to hide the body.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
A twelve year old kid? What's inside of a twelve
year old fear me and my daddy. So then he'd
go in the house.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
And he got to clean up that blood.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
He got to clean up that blood. Man, Damn, damn,
A twelve year old kid will send us to thirty years.
So he committed that crime.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
In eighty seven, now eighty eight, eighty eight, eight, going
on eighty nine. So then here we come in ninety one,
two years later. So from eighty eight, eighty nine to
ninety and other places in Houston, in Dallas, these young
he didn't like them, right, and he'd be they.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Killing like a gang banging is rooted in now. Yeah,
and you got the crack arrow.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
So you got young kids, you know, so form so
here we call, so so here we come. In ninety one,
I commit my murder September eighteen, nineteen ninety one, Texas
come with a new juvenile law. They don't raise the
ante up now can be sentenced to forty years. So
when I come along, I'm facing forty.

Speaker 6 (42:24):
Years of the script.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
When I come along, I'm facing forty years. So the
only reason I didn't get forty years is because my
mother was financially able to forward some of the best
lawyer representation in the city of Fort Work, which was
a guy by the name of Carl Mallory.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
And Louis Stearns.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Louis Sterns eventually became Judge Louis Sterns.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
You know, so I had.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Great when one of the best men I'm talking about,
bad Terren Sam says the season a juvenile in Texas
can be sentenced to four up to forty years once
he committed his crime. So we were fortunate enough during
that Arahomi, we had a governor by the name of
Anne Richards. So here we are children in America. The

(43:19):
laws is getting ready to change. Bill Clinton's president.

Speaker 9 (43:23):
They hadn't came with the nineteen ninety four Omnius Crime Bill,
so we still kind of three years out from that, right,
So we're just starting to set this trend that man,
we got kids.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
That will kill you, ye, setting the tone. Yeah, were
just starting to set in the tone. And so I
remember I remember doing this interview by man.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
What was her name, Her last name was Price, Ben Price,
but she was a news reporter and she wrote this.

Speaker 10 (43:53):
Article in October of ninety one and threw her It
threw her into nationals, into a national spotlight in the media.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
She became a phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
She wrote this article that was called children who Killed
with No Remorse, And I remember her interviewing my Latin
King partner and where she got the title from.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Man.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
He seemed heartless. They had already been locked up for
a few for couple murders. He was a little serial killer, right.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
So he's the curse. He's one of the first children
in Forward Texas to be sentenced to thirty years. It
probably hurt every kid that came after us.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
And so from that, from ninety one up until now,
America had begun creating laws where they would take a.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Twelve year old or thirteen year old, a fourteen year old.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Kid in some states and give them juvenile life with
our parole Florida.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Being one of them, California and one of them.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
So, man, we started seeing children at fourteen years old
get life in prison in never coming home at fourteen.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
So I think that's a little much.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Man. You know what I'm saying, Well, up until twenty sixteen,
and I'll get us there. But up until twenty sixteen, man,
it was a Miller versus Ground ruling or the Supreme
Court ruled that it was unconstitutional to do that.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
But think about this, at the.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Time when they decided to give this Homer you told
about a young to kill four five people.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
That know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (45:35):
So I see that's where it gets slippery at because
some gotta be done. But then what needs to be
done that it kind of got to meet in the
middle because some gotta be done about some shit like that.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Here's the thing, Well, America acted out of fear and
out of ignorance.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Now there's a campaign amongst policymakers bop artisanship or both
Democrats and Republicans they're saying shit like, oh, we need
to be smart on crime rather than tough on crime
at first when we need to get tough, because we
didn't have the knowledge and we didn't have the data

(46:15):
that we had now or back in nineteen ninety one,
we didn't have the brain information to say that kids
don't have brain development.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
The human brain don't develop until around twenty five, right, right.
The insurance companies had that information. That's why your insurance
rates don't go down to after twenty five.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
But we didn't apply that knowledge when dealing with children.
These are these are human beings with partially developed brains.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
When you kid, why you do that? And they say, oh, no, right,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Because the front part of your brain deals with your
with your you know, your reasoning.

Speaker 8 (46:53):
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, that's the front or
corner roll yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Time goes to begin and it begins to connect. But
that a kid, it's a.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Big gap there, right, Oh, what's again to progress? We
begin getting this information, uh, the kits and and and
criminal justice experts, you know, they began applying this information.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
But this is the answer, homie.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
The answer to a kid who kills is no different
to a dog who kills. When Michael Victim took all
them dogs and trained them dogs how to kill, they
didn't put them dogs away forever.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
They put them dogs in an environment where dogs go.
And they gave those dogs what dogs need nurture.

Speaker 6 (47:38):
Right right right right right right right right.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Training and and and and by them placing those dogs,
they removed those dogs out of an abusive, violent, murderous
environment right, placed them in a totally different environment and
gave them exactly what dogs need to.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Be made to be friend right right right, So they nurtured.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
They nurtured those dogs back into the state that they
were designed to be in man's best friend instead of
fighting dogs right right, right right, the same concept and
you applied to dangerous murderous.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Children, right, and you'll get the same exact results, right
so right, And I agree with that a wholeheartedly.

Speaker 8 (48:26):
It's just I think, like you said back then, we
really they they didn't really see that.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Fine.

Speaker 8 (48:31):
Then a lot of times people lack compassion for what
they don't understand, you know, so they just looking at
them doing some shit like that and say.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
WHOA, my brain wouldn't even put that together.

Speaker 8 (48:42):
Yeah, you wasn't abused your dad and then sit on
top of you smacking the shit out of you because
a dish was in the market scene. So it's a
different upbring in which gives different results for a young
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
So so we went into an institution, Homie and and
I can honestly say we had one of the better experiments.
They was experimenting with these young killers. They didn't know
what was gonna come of the programs and the and
the and the therapy in the in the group sessions, right.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
You know, man.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
We had some of the world's best psychiatrists work, world
renowned psychologists.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Uh men.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
At one point in time, Sports Illustrated came and spent
six months on campus.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Man, I mean man, they was they was. We was
in a real, live experimental program or that produced mastermind children.
I'm the product of that. Okay, okay, okay, I was brainwashed.
All of us was washing, but we was brainwashed.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
It was like they did a scientific experiment and placed
us inside of a perfect home like growing up being
the Yeah yeah, yeah, this is the result of it.
When it realized what they done, they done away with
that ship. It don't exist anymore. But if you want
the program, it's called positive Fear Culture.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Look it up.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Everybody that went through what I went through, and I'm
saying this in front of the State of Texas. Everybody
the prison system, every last that went through what I
went through through, getting state home in school, they ended
up going to prison running something every day. Everybody went
back to their community. Now some of them did, like

(50:27):
the evil superheroes who take.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
All this shit and turn bad with it.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Some of the best manipulators, gang leaders, dope dealer Street.
Because of how from that experiment, I spent seven years
in their homie from fourteen to twenty one, learning how
to separate my thoughts from my feelings, learning what a
thinking era is, learning or being able to identify my

(50:55):
childhood life story, the trauma, processing of trauma, dealing with
the trauma we did. It's psychotherapy drama where we reenacted
our murderous crimes, where we had to play the and
we had to play the part that might take two weeks.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Doing that, right, they created a monster, but in a
good way.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Real So when I got out in twenty one, uh,
you know, brain developed maturity, beginning.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
To play a part. My first four years, I spent
down there gang banging homie.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
You know when I got down there, uh and got
exposed to the gang culture up close and personal.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
She you know, I joined roll in sixties neighborhood crips.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
She Uh. I found my father in the in the game,
through the through the big homies in and I became
an elite gang member.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Uh. Yeah, I excelled at that ship. Uh.

Speaker 6 (51:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
I worked my way through the hierarchy and and you know,
within two to three years or I was the little
run and ship.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yeah, I was the big dog. Yeah I'm talking about
I was the big dog with monks, A big dog.
You know. I grew up around grown folks and I'm
a natural homie.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
So uh, I became legendary uh in the state of
Texas amongst who killed during that time or whether it's
Dallas or my name Ryan Big in prison and I
ain't never been to prison.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
So when I joined, my childhood name is Blue.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
You know, Charleston Blue from this movie Come Back, Charleston Blue.
That's what everybody in the streets knows me as it's Blue.
So when I go to the institution or I earned
the name see nothing. Yeah, I became a year crypt
Nuh yeah, yeah, so I was. I was a god
damn nut for the crypt man. So and I was

(52:41):
just acting right. Remember I told you I know how
to mimic good. So, uh So, how how I became
elevated in the gang world. I understood the knowledge of power.
I started seeing, uh most crypt you had to have
some knowledge. If you went somewhere and you didn't have
no gang knowledge.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Then you really were and authentic so to have over
other people. That's I learned that as a kid.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
So when Monster Cody or the eight Trade gangster crip
out of California, when he dropped the Monster Cody book
ship I read that.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
I spent days.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
I didn't talk to nobody. I spend days reading that book,
writing down all the information.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
So I learned.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
I taught myself. I learned good from reading then writing. So, man,
I learned all that information. Homie learned the history. Who
started crips or who with Joe voting all them different names.
So that's how I was able to propel myself.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
I'm a little bit I can't having operating with that information. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
And and and I know how to play damn fool good,
you know, So you know I even to this day, homie,
get out the penitentry. Yeah they still you know, they
still respect me for what put down as a kid
inside the institution.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Right. So I'm a state school baby, I'm a.

Speaker 6 (53:58):
Station yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
So it was easy for me to come out here.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
I joined at fifteen, I came home at twenty one.
So I'm getting closer to a full developed brain. I
come from a good moral fabric blood line, yeah, come
from Yeah. So I come from a mother who's moral,
believing in God. So I do have a conscience. So

(54:25):
but as I'm getting older, I don't want to. You know,
I'm seeing most games were scary. I'm seeing most on games.
Probably for the same reason I joined.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
I wanted to be accepted. I wanted to be a
part of something.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
And if being part of something mean that I had
to participate in raping somebody, then I would have participated in.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
The rape home or.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
If being being a part of something, of being accepted
by the game, or mint mint shooting.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
A little sister who was at the park playing, I
was willing to do that.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
On it with the lack of brain development, right right,
right when I got out.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Of age twenty one, nineteen ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
I'm really innocent, I'm really pure, and I'm still youthful.

Speaker 6 (55:12):
Yeah, high school.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
I don't know how I got many experiences at that point.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Now I don't know how to talk to girls. So
mentally I'm fourteen nigga nineteen ninety eight. When I got home,
Tommy Hill figured it was out. You know, I was
still liking Dickie's.

Speaker 6 (55:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Then I'm struggling with the fact that it ain't about
being cute no more. It's about who had money. So
it's a big money.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Yeah. It's a difference.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Between ninety one and ninety eight for the social aspects
of dealing with your peers or trying to date girls.
So all girls back then want a drug dealer scene.
The working was overlooked in ninety eight. Then end up
going no.

Speaker 11 (55:58):
You're gonna get it, getting up many the college boy.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
College boy can't get no. You got to sell a
dope to get in college. So everybody was willing to
sacrifice and throw away their life on it in order
to remember. He who controlled images controlled mine. The dough
boy image was everything, So I get out of them.

Speaker 8 (56:24):
It was legitimate, legitimately being millionaires and shit in the
eighties and not when the dope shit first hit.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
I know in Nashville anyway, my uncle's in.

Speaker 8 (56:35):
Was able to ride around with three and four bricks
in the trunk with the scale of the like now
it ain't.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
The police didn't even with them. They ride through the project.

Speaker 8 (56:44):
You speak to the police, you got a brick in
the trunk, brick on your left, you know.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
So it was a little different Economically, it made logical, sister,
say a dope what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
So, man, it made logical sense if you do, because
the reward it made lot sense. Yeah, we just didn't
understand the consequences. We didn't put your way forever exactly,
and we didn't know what to do with the money.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
So in that logical sense for to look over here
and say, man, I ain't going to work that I'm
selling dope because rich overnight.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Now you can't do that. So it don't make logical sense.
It's dead.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
So when I got out in ninety eight, I tried
to work. But everybody selling dope, even the working yeah,
even the squat yeah, even was sitting.

Speaker 6 (57:32):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Mister p with men mm man crack like this get
old Doe, get get gattold doe and told and taught.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Man put the recipe on the songs. Remember, the song
is the fuel for the conditions, the situation.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
That good game, boy, so he done fueled our whole
generation and our whole.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Course with moving dope music.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
I'm looking at rape, I'm looking at kid. Now we're
talking about raping. I kicked in the door his main.

Speaker 8 (58:06):
Honey, honey, she said, right did.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
I'm a kid. Now They're fueling us for this shit.

Speaker 6 (58:18):
The kid.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
So, so when I get out in ninety eight, she
niggas got ghetto dope at what I want. But I'm
trying to find an identity, homie. I went in the
institution at fourteen with no identity. When I was in
an institution, I joined the game for identity.

Speaker 6 (58:39):
Right.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
So finally when I got out of when I left
my mama house.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
My first identity I gave myself was to be a cryp.
So now this as a kid. So when I come home.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
At three one as an ad door, I don't want
to be a crypt no more. But I'm still a crypt.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I want a new identity, right, I'm for to go
to oh boy drug dealer.

Speaker 6 (59:02):
Right, right, right right, right right, So.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
I wouldn't you know, I could sell dope.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
But I didn't grow up poor, so I didn't know
how to value the money and management.

Speaker 6 (59:11):
Right right right.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
I had tub with the money.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
So I went from dough Bourn to jack Bourne. Now
I'm running with Now I'm running with the daw were
Now we're jack My West Dallas.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Then they got the bricks.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
So when I'm running with Tea, I'm trying to find
an identity home me yes, about my twenties. I'm hanging
with Tea. So at one point we did I'm moving dope.
At one point I'm trafficking weed to Arkansas.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
I'm the weed man. Right point, Oh, I'm Jack right,
I'm working trying to find a groove. Yeah. Then next thing,
you know, man, I'm really a pimp. And when i'm
stepping the pipping, that's what I hold on to.

Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
I don't put no hyphen I don't put no slash
behind my a.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
A month there, A month there?

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
It look from about? Does it look like love?

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
It look from about? Does it look like love?

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
A month? Dare a month there

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