Feat Doug Weinstein Part 2 | Doug Weinstein UNPACKS TRUTH on Brian Steel & Diddy,Young Thug vs Gunna Pleas, & Feds' Immunity Trap - ITS UP THERE PODCAST W/LOONEY

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So let me ask you this, what is the difference
between Young Thug's plea and Gunna's plea?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well, there's some big differences there, right, So Gunna pleads
out right away, right, he didn't even get into the
trial part of the thing. The other thing is Gunna
signs off on all this bullshit that the state, right,
the state wants to put out. Not maybe didn't sign

(00:27):
off on all of it, but he I think he
signed off on Yasla's a gang and all this other crap.
Right when they asked Jeffrey to do that, Jeffrey pushed back, Right, Jeffrey,
he could have taken a negotiated plea and he could have.
They wanted him to sign off on all these all
these damn lies, right, because that's all they care about.

(00:48):
They don't care about the truth. They care about getting
a victory. So they wanted him to sign off on
all that stuff. Jeffrey didn't do it. And what happens
to Jeffrey by not doing that? What happens to Thug
by not doing that? Because he didn't wouldn't sign off
on all their little things? Why I sell as a
gang and all this other business? He had to take
that non negotiated plea, right, the blind plea, he had

(01:10):
to risk going to prison. He risked going to prison
partially so he wouldn't have to sign off on all
that stuff that were to hurt the other guys.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
But like Bro was just saying, yeah, right, there's a
scenario where you're still taking the risk when you're doing
this blind plea. Why do not I take the risk
alongside Brian Steele waited out a couple more months because
we also have to examine the level of scrutiny Gunner
has got right, Gunna has gotten a certain level of
scrutiny for pleaing out in the same way that some

(01:45):
people are saying that looks like thug is now for
lack of a better term, played out in the same way.
But like you said, there's some differences as it pertains
to what was agreed on and what was actually admit
it to it.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I mean, there are there are those differences like I
talked about, and I'm gonna go back to the same
thing that I said earlier. I'm just not going to
criticize Gunna for doing what he did. I understand everybody
is that y'all's community can do it if you want to,
I'm just not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do
it because I'm not in that situation. So Gunna did

(02:22):
whatever he chose that thought he had to do. Thug
did what he had to do. I wish, I wish
Jeffrey would have stuck it out till the end, gone
through it, but he had to. You know, he had
to make those decisions for himself, and I'm not going
to criticize him for it. The other thing is, I mean,

(02:44):
just honestly, it's hard for me to criticize the guy
that I sat by for two years. You know what
would that say about me?

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well, I mean, the truth is never disrespect and I
know Thug come from my walk of life, so he
understands that, right.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
The truth is never disrest right.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
And that's why when I stand out on the hill,
I'm from a neighborhood, I'm from a town. If I
wasn't who I said I was, and dudes brought that
to the light, that ain't that could not ever be disrespectful, right,
because I ain't got no business acting like something that
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
I don't play this food gayzy game with nobody.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
You see what I'm saying what it is is what
we're gonna address it as, and that's just how it is,
cut and dry. Let me ask you this from a
lawyer's perspective, From a legal perspective, is there any difference between.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Thug's plea and Gunner's plea?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Not because you sat next to them two years Is
there a scenario where you, as a lawyer say those
two are the same things. And the reason I asked
this is because Gunner's lawyer is positioning it that way.
He's saying, basically, yo, y'all a matt at Thug. I'm sorry,
y'all a mad at Gunner? When Thug is kind of
in the same scenario to that, what do you say.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, Well, I mean I totally understand the position that
Gunners lawyers taking. I mean, there's there are differences, but
they're fine differences, right, And those are kind of the
differences that I brought up, which is that that the
plea that Gunnar took said some things in it that
Jeffery's plea did not say. And that's I guess the

(04:15):
main difference between the two. I mean, if there's a
difference in the please it's that. But I get, I get,
and I guess it's Steve sayda, that's Gunn's lawyer, right, yes, yes, yeah.
So again, Also I get what Steve's saying because you
guys are criticizing Gunner for pleading out and Thug played out,
and it's pretty much I totally get that position of
his I understand it. There were just a few differences

(04:39):
between them, but there were some differences.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
And here here's another difference that you know for on
thugs side is that yo, Thug was noted as the
king of this, so there's really no one to tell
on above him.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Right, there's who do I tell on? If I'm Thug? Like,
who do I tell one? There's no one to tell on.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
But all of these dudes can kind of implicate me
of being some kind of head of something, but I
have no one.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
The other thing is, I don't think Thug really had
the opportunity to play out early. I don't think the
state even gave him that choice. They wanted Thug. The
target was Thug, and they would do anything to get Thug.
The target was on his back. Well, on gunn Is back.

(05:27):
I don't know why gun was Honestly, I don't know
why Gunner was wrapped up in all this anyway they had,
they had.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Nothing to get him to cooperate. That's why they went
and got him. They when he got him, they probably
looked at his record as his shit and was like,
if we get him, he'd probably at least give us
some information. I won't got much on him.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
He didn't cooperate at all.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
I mean, he didn't cooperate at all.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
No, he signed what he had to sign to get
the hell out of there, but he didn't cooperate. He
didn't testify. None of that happened with Gunna. I didn't
think people should have been given Gunn a hell and
I still don't.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
So as the defense team over there for yat Gotti,
you don't see an issue with Gunna saying that this
is a game.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I'm not happy that he said it, but you know what,
I can explain that to the jury, and his lawyer
knows I can explain that to the jury, and we
did over and over again, Max and I, everybody, we
all explained it to the jury, and you know what,
the jury understood. So what Ghanna did didn't hurt us
at all. Didn't hurt us at all.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Wow, that's a heavy statement.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
It's true. Yeah, I'm saying it because it's true. Right,
he didn't hurt us.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
And you played in between the whistles, so you know,
you know you there, Yeah, you were done.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Look that entire trial, that two year trial. Nothing Gunna
said ever came up before the jury. So how can
his plea have hurt me? Hurt Yack?

Speaker 3 (06:52):
It didn't.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
So do you think thug should help their public opinion?
They spun it right?

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Do you think thugs should not be mad at Gunna?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Oh? I'm not going to tell anyone how they should feel.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Okay, I mean, well, I guess there's a heavy question. Yeah,
but I mean I'm wondering if all right, Well, I'm
just not yeah, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
You may not like that answer, but that's where I'm
going to stay. Yeah. No, I'm not going to tell
anyone how to feel about anything else.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Right, right, I respect it.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
That's an age thing, man. I've learned that. I don't
get involved.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Man.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, yeah, you want to go get divorced. I'm not
taking sides, right right?

Speaker 3 (07:27):
How much long are you going to practice law?

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Probably fifteen more years more? What am I that old?

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Look at this you've been doing it thirty. That's forty
five years.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
I started, and I got my bar license in ninety eight,
and I was doing it while in law school in
ninety six, not quite thirty yet. That's okay, I love it.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
You enjoyed. That's what you want to do, something you
enjoy for the rest of your life.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
I mean, yeah, what else would I do?

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Right, So talk to the people about like when you
fould this motion you presented to him right the three
steps this meant the criteria. You met that criteria, and
he still said, get it out of him.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, he still wouldn't do it, even though I met
and got to forgive me because I can't remember each
of the three. But I met those criteria. And what's
interesting is he actually found I met the criteria, which
was just crazy, like at least find I didn't meet one,
but he found I met the right criteria. And then
he made up something said, I'm just complaining about a ruling.
I wasn't complaining about a ruling. Nowhere in my brief,

(08:31):
nowhere in my argument am I complaining about his rulings.
I'm complaining about this improper meeting he has. So like
you say, I he denies it. I asked the Supreme Court,
you know, to take it up. That actually was I
was jumping a step. I probably shouldn't have done that,
but it worked out well. Yeah, because instead of just

(08:53):
a one word denial from the Supreme Court, they basically
came back with a three page opinion that kind of
outline what really needed to happen. And that's when Judge
Glehambo decided, Okay, I'm gonna have someone else look at
this refusal.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Was that the point when they got him off the case?

Speaker 5 (09:11):
That is?

Speaker 6 (09:12):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, wow, And listen, Okay, let's let's get get back
into what it was like when they took Brian Still
to jail, because again he pressed the issue. He used
certain words like sacra saint. He said, people don't know
what that means. Holy, that means above Like, I'll tell

(09:33):
you exactly.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
It's something I view it as something holy.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah it's it's said sacra saint means it's regarded as
too important or valuable to be interfered with or criticized.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, that means what happened over here.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
You ain't even got the authority, no matter who life
is on the line, to even question us about it.
He said that someone has parodied something that has happened
in my courtroom and this is Sacra Saint, and that's.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Just not true. That's just not true. But he was indignant.
Judge Glanville was indignant that someone would tell us what
happened in this meeting in his chambers that wasn't even
supposed to be taking place.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
This was almost like a king. He was almost acting
like it was some sort of like.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Like again. And I don't know where that comes from,
because his reputation is not someone that would be in
that position, So I don't know what that was about.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
So let okay, when he took him to jail, would
you would have continued to trial it with Brian Steal
in jail?

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Well, you know that wouldn't have been my call. But
you know, Keith Adams, they told him up too. Yeah,
locked me up. To lock me up too. Because you
are entitled under the constitution to have the lawyer, your
chosen lawyer represent you at trial. That's a constitutional right.
So if Jeffrey wanted Brian there to represent him, the

(10:56):
trial shouldn't proceed without Brian Steele. They were representing thug
right now.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
But that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I mean it has to be something to that, because
there's jail house lawyers that can't just come out and
represent people.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
No, no, no, that's true. I mean, look, if I
were just sitting here and get into all the minutia
and tedious exceptions in the corner case, I'm talking generality
for the fact.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
And that is true because Brad steel Gain, his record
is impeccable for him to get it rested.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
What's craziness.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
I don't think people that aren't in the legal field,
especially in the legal field in Georgia, can appreciate Brian
Steele's reputation for integrity, honesty, respect for the system. That
stuff you see him doing in court. The honorable, this
the honorable. That's not a pretty that's not a put

(11:46):
on though.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
That's who he is exactly, and it's not required.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Not required. He has tremendous respect for the judicial system,
for the legal system. I don't want to say he
worships it, because now what kind of be idolatry, But
he holds it in such high regard that for anyone
to say he was doing something in contempt of court
for and this is one of the reasons I was

(12:12):
so upset with Miss love when she would attack Brian
Steele's integrity, saying that he had altered stuff that he
had received, altered things that he that would I don't
even look. I practiced law for almost thirty years. Yes,
I was with a top five law firm. I've been
against the top law firms all over this country California, Texas, Massachusetts,

(12:36):
New York, virgin everywhere, everywhere. Hundreds of lawyers I've litigated
against and with, And I have never met an attorney
with more integrity than Brian Steele.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Wow, that is saved.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
So that's why I was so upset about what was saying.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
You know, me and Brian Steell talked during the try
because I got an interview with rich Homi Kwalm. What
he was speaking about Thug and him and Thug was
I guess he had never spoke on the record about
missing Thug and shit into it, but our conversation he
spoke about it. I think I saw that, Yeah, because
he was trying to he was in a scenario where
they were trying to act like him and Thug was

(13:12):
that had this big beef.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Trying to act like it. That's what was their whole thing.
But there was some big beef between rich homy Kwan.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so whatever was going in the backdrop,
But Rich homy Kwan sat next to me and had
a genuine moment, genuine conversation, like, Yo, I miss dude.
We used to be in the studio vibing, like, man,
we fell out over some music. This shit is like,
I really wish we could get that together off of Luchi.
Luchi and Thug situation was unfortunate, right, they had a

(13:39):
run in and it kind of seemed like you're run
in with Luchi kind of caused you not to be
able to be as involved with Thug as you may
have wanted to be. Did you ever miss Thug while
he was on the run without you? Slim went on
a mean runs fool. Yeah, miss miss is a mean word.

(13:59):
Though miss is a strong word.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (14:04):
I'd be lying to set because I was gonna try
to put a different way, But like I missed them
vibes in the olk.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
I can't lie and deny it.

Speaker 7 (14:12):
I'm like the vibe like uncomparable, Like can't replay it,
can't you know what I'm saying, Like, well, I always
replay it, but can't relimb them.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, bu the sound. You know, it's crazy, y'all.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Whole situation crazy because I look at y'all and I
look at Boost and Webbing, right, you kind of went
before him, kind of like Webby went before Boost it
and it was like we still partners, we still lost,
but I kind of done one of these don't win
for sure, you know, and he you is, you on
your way and it's like somewhere swisched and I'm saying, damn,

(14:46):
why they can't. But I know it's more than me
st eye, right, It's good to hear you say that
you missed them them them times in the YO because
creatively y'all was smash and ship Roy. It was like
it was hard, like I can't put my finger on
the man. I still was just it was a time
to be alive. Yeah, And Ritron has passed since.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
And we've lost too many this year, right for sure?

Speaker 3 (15:13):
For sure? For sure. So they take brand Still to jail, and.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
As you speak about his integrity, I think it shines
bright and a highlight moment of that is in an
unprecedented move, the bar Association got involved with him being
in jail.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
They're like, oh no, yeah, what happened is the Georgia
Criminal Defense Lawyers Association called GAKTEL. They have this we
call it like the elite strike team. If a lawyer
gets in that kind of trouble, they descend upon the
court room like Seal Team six, like Seal Team six man,
and they do that. They'll do that for anyone, not
just Brian. But when it was Brian, there must have

(15:53):
been there must have been twenty five thirty criminal defense
lawyers that came down the big, big, big Oh sure,
we had Ashley Merchant, who's the president of GATTEL. She's
in there because the judge had he had just balled
it all up as far as he's ruling. He'd confused
criminal and civil contempt and mixed them all up together.

(16:16):
It was a giant mess.

Speaker 8 (16:17):
Just for the record, is so is the criminal contempt?
Is it criminal contempt that you held him in? Yes,
ma'am okay, And you said you had a hearing earlier today.

Speaker 9 (16:25):
I know I'm with criminal contempt. I told him what
the contempt was, and that was he refused to tell
in order of the court. If counsel, as you know,
if the court orders you to do something and you don't,
that's criminal contempt. So I've asked him several times, please
just tell me who it is that told you that.
I didn't ask or inquire about anything that was said.
I just want to know who it was, because he's

(16:47):
got too much detail of this particular alleged conversation for
the court to be concerned about it.

Speaker 8 (16:54):
So and Judge, since it is a criminal contempt, he
is entitled to do process. He's entitled to a hearing,
title to an actual show cause, entitled to the allegations
actually written, entitled to a witness list. We're entitled to
present our own witness.

Speaker 9 (17:06):
List, and contemp criminal contempt is different. It is on
the spot. So he's gotten the due process he's going
to get. That's on the spot.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I told him.

Speaker 9 (17:17):
Plus he's had all day to tell me who it
is that is it So a little different, Miss Merchant,
I'm going to disagree with you, but.

Speaker 8 (17:25):
Well, and Judge, just just for the record, it's that's direct.
So what you're holding him in is a direct criminal contempt.
The issue with the direct criminal contempt is whether or
not to actually hold a hearing now, whether or not
it needs to be held immediately. And the problem is
if you hold him in direct criminal contempt. As you're
saying that you did. You are a witness to that proceeding,

(17:45):
and so it has to be referred to another judge.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Doesn't require rikisal.

Speaker 8 (17:50):
You actually have to sue as Sponte, send it to
another judge because you are a witness to the proceeding.
Show me the case law says that Miss Merchant Innry McCarthy.
It's one fifty two Georgia App. Three ninety nine, And Judge,
I'm not the only one here. There's quite a few
other lawyers that want to be present in the court.
There's about twenty twenty five.

Speaker 9 (18:09):
The challenge is stace allocations, as I told you, so
you can, like I said, since you are representing that spine.
He told us that. Mister Steele told us that anybody else,
because I have security concerns as well, and we have
to vet people to come in. Then they can go
to eight h and they can certainly watch the proceedings
from there, and.

Speaker 8 (18:30):
Judge for security purposes. They're all attorneys, they're all members
of the bar. I can give you all their names.

Speaker 9 (18:35):
Still would have to be searched and still would have
to be subject to the court's protocols, and.

Speaker 8 (18:38):
Also there's room in the jury box, and then there's
room in the courtroom, so we would ask the baby.

Speaker 9 (18:43):
I don't want them in my jury box.

Speaker 8 (18:44):
Okay, now I understand, Nay. One additional attorney come in
then Alex Susser, and we're here on behalf of GAPTAL
for our strikeforce.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
He is the chair of the strikeforce.

Speaker 8 (18:57):
I'm the president of the Georgia Association of Defense Lawyers
and also a member of the strikeforce. So can he
come in as another attorney?

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Co council.

Speaker 9 (19:05):
I distinguish your two cases that you've given me.

Speaker 8 (19:07):
That's far So those were only the initial two.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
I had a couple others go ahead as well.

Speaker 8 (19:12):
Yes, so Ramirez versus State, it's seventy nine Georgia thirteen,
two thousand and five.

Speaker 9 (19:19):
It also you said two seventy nine Georgia when I'm
sorry Georgia thirteen Georgia thirteen, two.

Speaker 8 (19:26):
Thousand and five case, and it defines direct contempt and
explains that it must actually interfere with the proceedings to
be direct which there's also a couple other cases on that. No,
he cannot be held in the law, states maclarity, which
I cited to you early.

Speaker 9 (19:43):
It is true the direct summary contempt which arises in
the friends of the Court intends to scandalize it and
or hinder obstruct the present early process, the administration of justice,
the preservation of order, and Decormley Court is exempt from
due process requirements. I've noticed in hearing that's even Moody
us back in nineteen seventy four.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
So I believe that mister Steele's.

Speaker 9 (20:05):
He can follow whatever emotions, but his particular actions in
this case. I just want to know who told him this,
That's all. I'm not asking to a release or otherwise
tell any conversations, but I just want him to tell
me that.

Speaker 8 (20:22):
And Judge, so that's what you want, But that does
not conflate to a contempt.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
Your desire for.

Speaker 8 (20:28):
Him to answer your question does not mean that you
have the power to hold him.

Speaker 9 (20:31):
So you can come into court, Miss Merton, and not
answer a question of the court and not be fell
at held in contempt. This is a question the Court's
permitted to ask.

Speaker 8 (20:39):
And it's our position. If we had a hearing, we
could explain to the court why he is not required.
First of all, the Court accused him of eavesdropping.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
That is a crime.

Speaker 8 (20:47):
He is a Fifth Amendment privilege against answering those questions.
Rule one point six protects all confidential information that is
gained not from your client but in representation representation of
your client. He has the ability to protect that information.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
But we don't even need to.

Speaker 8 (21:01):
Get there, because he can't be held in contempt and
you can't threaten him with contempt for presenting emotion in
good faith. He presented emotion in good faith that he
believed there were ex party communications. You are a witness
to that because it's my understanding that you were part
of those X part communications. They can't be X party
if you aren't part of them by nature.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Okay, you have to be involved.

Speaker 8 (21:24):
Therefore you have to be a witness.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
So you are a witness.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
You cannot also see.

Speaker 9 (21:28):
But you got the informations. But here's the thing, you
got the information allegedly from an improper methodology. I'm not
saying that he eavesdrop, okay, and just I say that
one of the things is one of the things is
he It's either one of two ways.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
So you know, Ashley had to get them there and
straighten them out. It was I have to tell you,
you know, being relatively new to criminal law just over
the past three years or so, the criminal defense bar,
criminal defense lawyers, the tightness of this group, the camaraderie,
the respect, the teamwork. I haven't seen that in the

(22:08):
areas of law I've practiced in before, and it is
really special and it was all brought home to me
on that day. That's why we took a picture outside
on the courthouse steps. A lot of us did because
it was so great to see. And we talk about
our criminal defense brothers and sisters, because that's kind of
how we feel about each other. If I know, if
I need anything, any help with anything, I can go
and ask a question. I'm going to get ten people

(22:29):
to help me out. That's why I'm a little more
comfortable going out on my own. I got these people.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
I like the camaraderie too. Like to see like, oh
that's what I expected.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
You mess with us. I don't want to say it's
like the Marines. We used to joke in college about,
like you mess with some marine kid, you're gonna get
like one hundred Marines around here. And you mess with
a criminal defense lawyer, like what happened to Brian Steele
and we're gonna be there.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
For it, and they're going to be filing paperwork to
paper works, go be all kind of stuff going on.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, you don't mess with us unless you got I mean,
you better, you better have your shit together. Seriously, we
can talk Wooty.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, what do you like about low Wooding?

Speaker 2 (23:10):
You know, I like who Wooty is now? I like
who Wooty is now? I like that. Of course, he's
out there living his best life. Right, you can't deny that. Right,
and he's making all he can out of his fifteen
minutes of fame. And you know what, this is America.
More power to him for that. But he's not just
doing that. I mean, and I don't think this is bullshit.

(23:33):
People may think it's bullshit. I don't think it's bullshit
because I've I've talked to him and I've seen him.
He's going to church, he's getting baptized. I think that's real. Yeah,
I think that's real. I've looked that man in the
eye is now. He could disappoint me. People have disappointed
me before, but I think that's real. And I see
him talking to young men staying saying, don't do this shit.

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Respect your elders. He's out there in the community doing that,
so I respect that too. So that's that's respect for that, right.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:01):
No, I mean, do you think it's word holding and
weight over that way he's saying that that, I mean
his neighborhood. I don't know if it seems like from
the outside looking in, it seems like he can move
around his neighborhood freely and Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
See he's I mean, he's not hiding.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, but what about.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
I mean, again, we talked about how Judge Glanville wouldn't
allow him to testify on his own terms because for him, again,
it felt like he wasn't corroborating what the state had
put forward.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Right.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
But I just I don't know, man, I wonder we
talked about montok and the immunity, So I just want
to kind of talk about how they dangled the immunity.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Oh lord, the testy.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Let me explain it, because I think a lot of
people don't understand that immunity isn't so much dangled. They
throw that shit at you and you don't have a choice.
You don't ask for it, seriously, seriously, you don't ask
for it. Woody didn't ask for immunity. No, they're and
whoever whoever else got stuck with that. They just yeah,
you don't ask for that, they just give it to you.

(25:10):
It's not a gift. I shouldn't say, give it to you.
It's like a giant pile of ship and they throw
it at you. You don't ask for it, and it
sticks to you and you can't say no, I'm cool,
I don't want immunity.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
That's the way it works. That's not the way people
need to know that. It's not the way it works.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
So you're telling me that immunity is like the franchise
tag in football with.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Wow. Yeah, that's exactly what it's like. They're like, boom,
you have immunity, and you're like, well, damn, I want
to take the fifth I don't want to testify. No,
fuck you, sorry, but we're going to give you immunity.
And they don't have a choice. So it's not like
Woody's like, well, you give me immunity, I'll testify. That's
not what happened. Yeah, So that's the that's the truth.

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That's the way immunity works. That's the way immunity works.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
It's this universal agition.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Oh yeah, it's universal, man, I didn't know you see
people now, I'm sure there's times that some people may say,
but this wasn't requested by what you're.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Saying, Wooded. Wow, so that kind of changes things. Right,
So you're saying, okay, but Woody agreed to testify.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
No, he had no choice. Well okay, let me explain,
all right. They presented him, they put immunity, that's say,
given immunity. They put immunity on him. So he had
a choice at that point. He did have a choice
testify or because he has immunity, you can't take the
fifth testify or go to jail. And you're gonna sit

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in jail maybe until this trial is over.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
That's a hell of a trick, right, that's what they do.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
So they strip immunity when they put it on you.
It strips your Fifth Amendment rights away. Yeah, but doesn't
seem right, does it. But that's the law.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
I didn't know that, bro. You just blew me. You
just blew my mind with that, bro, Just damn.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
So I want people to watch that when you see
someone getting the immunity, your folks should listen. That's not
necessarily because they asked for it sometimes as a matter
of fact, that they don't do that shit to me.
I don't want your immunity. I want to take the fifth.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
So if Woody didn't have immunity, what happens with this case?

Speaker 2 (27:21):
If he didn't have immunity, then he could still testify.
But the reality is he doesn't want to testify the
stuff that could get him in trouble, so he's going
to take the fifth. So if he didn't have immunity,
he would take the fifth. Now what would happen with
this case? He was such a good witness for us,
I don't know. I don't know that we'd get the

(27:42):
same result without being a cola, honestly, because I'd like
to think we would, because I'd like to think the dream.
But Kenneth Copeland did the best job of any witness
of explaining why he lied to the cops, how he
lied to the cops, the way he about it, the reasoning,
all of that, so the jury could understand. Okay, so

(28:07):
when you play those videos of interrogation videos, right, I
know now what's going on there? That's just someone looking
to stay.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
At He kind of gave him a storyline. He he
so what would y'all defense would have been had he
not presented it such He kind of presented his position
the way you presented that you cannot fix this. He
with the I'm finessing them just because I don't want
to go to jail. What would have been y'all defense
had he not took that position?

Speaker 2 (28:35):
All the material that we had that showed he was
lying in those interrogation videos, yea, you know, all the
lies about where he.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Was, what he was doing.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
That well discovery Again, he was truthful on the stand,
But some of those things he told the cops.

Speaker 10 (28:54):
That's what I'm speaking some of those things the cops about. Oh,
we all met up at McDonald's and we got McDonald's.
This guy hopped in my car and said, those guys
just shot nut. Those were all lies.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
The stuff about cars, how that happened, That was a lie.
He was the one that was in the Infinity, you know,
not these other guys. The Infinity was written. Sorry, the
Infinity was rented by Thug to help out Wooty. Wooty's
the guy in the Infinity. He's putting all these other

(29:28):
guys in the Infinity. I mean, you guys were talking
about why are you selling out your brother?

Speaker 11 (29:32):
Right?

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Why are you selling out your man? And it's just wrong, right?
And I took I mean I took that out on
some of the witnesses, right. I can't remember who it was.
I don't think it was Muntunk, somebody else that I'm like,
I told that guy. I'm like, you went to the
cops and you lied on Diamante, You lied on him?

(29:53):
Why would you do that? And whoever that and I'm
sorry it's been a while, but whoever that was said,
you know, I don't know. He showed nothing but love. Wow,
you know, he showed me nothing to love. But we
had all kinds of things to use in the cross
examination of Woody that we would have torn him up.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
I wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Did you did you feel like we're going to get
the same version of him? Like we're going to get
a difficult not want to answer questions because again, I
guess because of the way you guys treated him when
he spoke with y'all, it wasn't the.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Like he would get him certain looks and shit, just
like what's so with you? Motherfucker?

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Back up? Like you stinking shit? He was doing our
kind of wild I mean I wasn't wild about that.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah he was going, and so I was wondering, is
he put pulling too much?

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Is how the jury's was, how the jury was receiving
some of his antics.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
I mean, I believe in all aspects of life, you
should treat people with respect most if you can. And
so I mean I wasn't happy with some of his
antics out there on the stand.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
What you know, but you would you would have tore
him up though, if if you had to cross examined.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
But you know what, my version of tearing up people
say comes across as like disappointed dad. But that's the
closest I can get to like.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
But yeah, but it resonates because it gave buy an
undealt what a disappointed day. I mean, it's you got
to resonate with the jury.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, you and Max tore some people apart. Yeah he
really did.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Max is a bulldog, so he did a good job
of that. But but I was prepared to rip Kenneth
Copeland apart if he'd have gotten up there and told
the same lives on the stand that he told told
to the cops. Because it's not my job to look
after Kenneth Copeland. He's on the stand. My job. My
job is to protect Diamante, to protect yat.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Does yet gott he look at Woody like a snitch.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
You have to ask him that. I'll let you ask
him that because hopefully he'll be out.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
So yeah, yeah, he'll be out.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
So I'm not gonna just want I just wondering how
to because I'm wondering if you know. I mean, he
clearly said a bunch of It's just it's it's a crazy.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
I mean, nobody's I'm not going to say how you've
used him, but it's like what you were talking about earlier.
You got a guy that's part of your circle and
you think as a friend or or whatever you know,
has some degree of loyalty or whatever it is, and
then they go to the police and tell all that bullshit.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
I mean, how are you gonna feel right now? I'm
not gonna feel. I was actually told on, so I don't.
That's why That's why I be by myself. Yes, somebody
that I helped for a long time set me up
and put me in a situation where I was like, damn,
you don't crush me and put me in.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
This leg I mean, you look at you. Look at
these guys. They were in jail from May of twenty
two until fall of twenty four because a bunch of
folks got out there and told lies.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
That's what I'm saying, that's what he was done to me.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
I get it done to me, and I ended up
having to bite the bullet because he he pulled up
and give me a bunch of money, you know. But
he ended up getting the money from the police.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
But you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
So it's like when they give me I got all
this money, I'm saying, dude, owe me some money. He
just paid me the money. I ain't gave him nothing.
They trying to act like I gave him something. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
They planned me to the I ain't gave the boy nothing.
He just pulled up. But they didn't have no WY yet.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
It was a crazy case, man like he what is
a confidential informer?

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Do you know that?

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Do they have to have credentials? Is a snitch and
a c I different I'm trying to give the public.

Speaker 11 (33:39):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
First of all, I don't use the word snitch.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
I'm just so I guess I'm not I guess I'm
using in the traditional.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
And I think if he used the traditional term snitch,
it's someone who was involved in something or pretended to
be involved in something, or lied about being involved in something,
and then they go to the cops and they start talking.

Speaker 9 (33:59):
Right.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
A CI is someone who kind of enters a situation
already cooperating. Right, they were already cooperating.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
With the police, and they have credentials, They have.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
The credentials, and they're in there gathering intelligence for law enforcement. Right.
And the worst part about a CI is I think
not just it's not just that they're doing that, but
a lot of times I think they're setting people up deceptive. Yes,
that's a little bit not legally, but the way we
all think about it, it's a little bit of going

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on there, and and it's just it's just it's just
a little different.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Cause that's what I was arguing in my cases, Like
I have a guy by the name of Rich McGee
out of Tennessee and a heavy hitter, and I'm trying
to argue the fact that bro, like he bugged me,
Like this dude was bugging me, bothering me, like I
ain't even.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, sometimes these cis wire going there push people to
do shit they wouldn't be doing otherwise. I was like, right,
because they want to get that that like that that
that that money basically spend they use that to get
a better deal here, get a better deal there. That's
why it's like, look, look, where's your camera right there? Yes,

(35:13):
shut the fuck up, Shut the funk off facts. Don't
talk to the police. It's not gonna help you.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Okay, let people like the talking.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
We'll talk. You're never ever gonna talk your way out
of something by talking to the police. And they're gonna
take your words and they're gonna twist them and they're
gonna place stuff out of context, and they do it
all the time.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
They got mad at me on the scene when they
when they did this whole bust thing. Would have had
this money on me from this dude, and they got
upset with me because I wouldn't admit to what they
were Like. They pulled detectives up on the scene and
open the door. Look, man, it ain't that sick. Just
tell me what, bro I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
He owe me some money. I ain't gave him nothing.
They won't even meet to like admitted.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
I'm like, bro, what are you what are you saying?
They even, bro, this was so crazy. They even shut
the doors and cut the heat on. It was the
summertime and I'm sitting in there. This was at the
George Floyd or somebody had that. I can't remember who
it was, but I was sitting there like, and I'm
looking at the cameras like, bro, if something happened to me,
like what my family gonna do? Like they mad at

(36:24):
me because they think that I made some big sale
up here at this store. By the time they get me,
I got the money from this dude, and I'm just like, Bro,
this ain't what y'all saying it is.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
You know what I'm saying. They ended up taking me
down for that.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, this ship was craziness, bron So, yeah, but I
want to get back to this immunity.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Blew that this is this is it's crazy, right. So
they strip your Fifth Amendment rights away. They give you
immunity and you you can either testify or you can
sit in jail.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
That your what qualifies you to get immunity.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
The state basically files and this is by the way,
defensive defense attorneys are not involved in this okay. At all,
the state files something with the judge that basically says,
here are the reasons we need to give this guy immunity,
Please give them immunity, and then the judge boom. Are
you saying, we don't even get that motion, that paper

(37:21):
that the prosecution files and the judge's order till like later.
We don't see it ahead of time.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
If I'm keeping my intellectual honesty, right, I don't know
if I know any of my I don't know if
I know a lot.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Of people that will go to jail for years, you see,
And that's what that's without and not tell on.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Me, right, you know what I'm saying, And that's what
Kenneth was looking at.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
I've already been told on so I know all lead
to a plan. They they if it gets strong enough,
they gonna tell it. Not everybody, because this real one's
out there, but there's a high percentage manage aught it down, now, you.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
So I just, man, it almost feels like you're telling
me that Woody isn't a traditional snitch that people is,
because if they snatch your immunity, I can't co sign.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Look, if you want to call him a snitch for
the stuff he did in twenty fifteen when he was
talking to the right.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, he get that.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I get that, But I don't think you can call
him a snitch for being on the stand and having
I keep saying, it's not really no choice. It's his
choice is jail or testify. That's it. That's it. And
when they and they showed him what, they showed him
what jail would be like. They gave him a sneak preview.
The county in a in a terrible, terrible condition, flies

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all over his food, the toilet backed up, no clean water.
I mean that's and they're like, Okay, you don't want
to testify it, we'll give you a taste of it.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Did any of the other people that sim believe, right,
did any of the other people that testify, Did they
have the same type?

Speaker 2 (39:01):
There were a few others that had immunity as well,
but I'm gonna have trouble recallingach ones. But some of
them did have Yeah, some of them had it. They
had no choice, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, Yeah, I never really heard of utilizing immunity really
now that I think about it. Like all the cases
that I know from people all my entire life, I've
never heard the term immunity be used, so.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
You know what it is. But now that you know
about it and how it works, I bet you're gonna
see it all the time. I mean you'll recognize it, right,
and you'll say, damns, like when that guy testifying because
he wanted to that guy's testifying because they threw immunity on.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, he's rocking hard place type of thing.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Totally, that's the right rock in hard place. Whoa yeah,
whoa yeah?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
And they were how many years would they offer him
until the entire trial? Three four, five, six years?

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Judge Glenville told him he was gonna sit there till
not just this first Yseul trial was over, but until
the next, till every defendant had been tried or played out?

Speaker 5 (39:58):
Was it so?

Speaker 1 (39:58):
After the secret meeting to shake your trust for the
court system?

Speaker 2 (40:04):
It not for the court system. It shook my trust
in Judge Glanville, which was already on shaky ground to
begin with, right, It really did. Wow again, And I'll
say here what I said before. I mean, I like
Judge Glanville. I've always respected Judge Glanville, and I don't
know what the hell happened in this case. I really don't.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Did he retire?

Speaker 2 (40:27):
No, No, he's still serving his term.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
What about the prosecution, I mean.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
They're still they still got their jobs.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
D A.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Willis. Fannie Willis came out in support of her prosecutors
when all this was over. Regrets.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Was it worth all the trouble?

Speaker 11 (40:44):
It's always worth the trouble. The reality is, as you know,
I have aggressively prosecuted gang violence and there is no
one above up below the law.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Fulton County District Attorney Fannie Willis says, though she did
not agree on a deal for a plea with attorneys
for Jeffrey Williams, better known as megastar hip hop artist
Young Thug, she's choosing not to publicly voice whether she
agrees or disagrees with the sentence Fulton Superit Court Judge
page REYES.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Whittaker.

Speaker 11 (41:10):
Sentencing was in the hands of Judge Whittaker.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
Handed down after Williams entered a non negotiated plea in
which he pled guilty that every charge he faced in
the wisl case except for two to which he pled
nolo contendre or no contests, But she says is similar
to a guilty plea, except when it comes to civil lawsuits.
You poured a lot of resources, took a lot of
flack on this case.

Speaker 11 (41:33):
You shouldn't be the district attorney if you're not willing
to take flack. The reality is the world has been
caught up with one defendant, but we indicted twenty eight defendants.
Fourteen of those defendants are now disposed of cases. We
have fourteen more defendants to go, and so we are
going to continue to pursue justice in.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
That case as well.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
It says, though young Thug exited the Fulton County jail
soon after his plea in a car driven by one
of his attorneys, he had already done us stantial amount
of time in jail while awaiting or going through his trial.

Speaker 11 (42:03):
He's been in jail almost three years, so that is
not a walk in the park.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
She says. There is room for accountability in the complicated
sentence involving five years commuted to time serve, followed by
fifteen years probation to be followed by a quote backloaded
twenty year prison term which will also be commuted to
time served if he successfully completes the probation, which is
loaded with lots of special conditions.

Speaker 11 (42:25):
Hope springs eternal that he will do well, because if not,
he's going to land himself in prison for another twenty years.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
The DA says video from gang murder cases unrelated to
Williams we reported on last week underscores that gangs are
a major driver of crime here.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
And if you could see the news interviews, she'll tell
you that this was a big win. But you know
that's the old declare victory and go home right when
you're losing.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Right, what do you say in response to some of
the media press runs this she has done.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
I'll tell you this. She's gotten out there and she's
talked about how since she's going after YISEL and after
YFN that the crime rate has dropped in Atlanta. And
I'll tell you the same thing that I've told some
other folks that have asked me about it. Crime is
down throughout virtually every metropolitan area in the US. Every

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single one, crime is down since twenty twenty two. You
can look at these aren't statistics some I just made up.
These are from like the what is it, the Major
Cities Chiefs Association. I mean, they've got these stats out.
You can find them on Google. It's down everywhere. So
when Fannie Willis, when da Willis comes out and says,
because of what I've done, crime is down, I mean,

(43:37):
I just say, she's the rooster that crowed in the
morning because she thinks she made the sun rise.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
You know.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Now, one of her responses to me has been where
does he live? In other words, I'm not down on
Cleveland Act. You come, not down dealing with it, and
I shouldn't speak to right. I'm up in I'm up
in Dumbwooie, Sandy Springs. I'm not dealing with this crime
and this stuff. So she thinks I have no place
presumably I have no place to speak on this. But

(44:06):
you know what, I don't think Fannie Willis is leaving
on living on Cleveland Avenue either.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
That's a good point, that's a great point. Matter of fact,
we know she's not with some of the with some
of the decisions she's made. It wouldn't be smart to
live in the neighborhood, you know, especially on Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
And look, you know, I admire efforts to reduce crime,
to make to make these parts of town that are
crime ridden safer for people. Kids shouldn't be getting shot
on their home because of a drive by. Nobody should
be getting shot because of the stuff. I mean, I
have a radical view on guns. I mean I'd take
everybody's guns and melt them down at throw up to me.

(44:45):
I don't have that choice, But anyway, I get it.
That's why I'm unelectable. But anyway, anyway, I admire that stuff.
But are the millions and millions and millions of dollars
that were spent on this unsuccessful? Wise if those would
have been for other purposes, I think the streets would
be better off now, and I think crime would be lower.

(45:05):
I think these funds were misspent.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Wow, that's my view point. That is a great point.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
I think for her to be so vocal at the
beginning and then to come up missing in the court
room process? Is that normal for the DA for someone
of that statue to not be involved in the try?

Speaker 2 (45:22):
When was this case brought twenty twenty two? Right? When
was the murder of Donovan Thomas twenty fifteen? January of
twenty fifteen. They've had these names of people that they
thought had did this for six years before they brought
this case, right, But why did they wait to bring it?
It's because the previous DA Paul Howard knew that their

(45:44):
witnesses were not credible, it shouldn't be brought. So he
didn't bring this case. Why because it's a bullshit case.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
So do you think that because there was some allegations.
I also had a guy named Mondo on my show.
Oh yeah, I know, with some allegations that him and
Fanny Willis had some interactions prior.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
To I am very anti gossip and I haven't seen
any evidence to support that.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Well, I'm saying she represented him.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
He did represent him, That's what I mean. Yeah, she
represented But there was some other talk as well. There's
all kinds of talk about all kinds of things.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
But yeah, I heard Trump mention some things, right, he
mentioned some allegations that wi't give allegations.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, yeah, But what I'm when I'm speaking to though.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
I guess why wasn't Mono in the indictment?

Speaker 10 (46:29):
No?

Speaker 1 (46:29):
No, well, I think my question is because it's rolling
off for what you said about Paul Howell. My question
is that by Paul Howell not pulling the trigger and
Fanny pulling the trigger, did her relationship with some of
the why I sell members not romantically relationship I'm saying
professional relationship give her insight to wanna, you know, look

(46:50):
a little bit further into this.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
That's a great question. I don't know the answer to her.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
And because what would motivate her when the DA prior
to her says that haities wouldn't there's.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
No way to do this. Well, I'll give you what
could motivate her political ambition?

Speaker 3 (47:04):
That is true?

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Right, that is true. You go after you go after
President Trump to make the Democrats happy. Maybe you go
after these alleged gangs to maybe get some Republican votes,
and then you know, you run for Senate next year.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Right, that's true.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Let's get into the Mislove accusing brand Steele of mishandling evidence,
altering altering evidence.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
I'm sorry she.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Accused him an open court with really no basis of
having received some evidence that he had asked for from
another county and altering that evidence.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
Sure you allow another moment, Miss Love called me that
I did not do something. They have the exact image
of what we got from the jail and Fair County.

Speaker 11 (47:53):
That is it.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
And if I get another false allegation and you do nothing,
I'm shocked.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
I'm appall.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
I sit here day after day with this false allegation,
just machine.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
I gave the state everything.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
There's been no disco construction, there's been no purposeful I
don't care. I don't care. I give over everything. I've
done this for thirty three years. Never in my life
i've seen a trial. I've done three hundred appeals in
the state of Georgia alone. I've never read a case
like this. Judge. I gave them everything I had.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
I waited.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
I was at my office till eight after eight last.
I waited for their investigator to come by A hand
in him an exact copy of thumb drive. They have
everything that we got from the Bay County jail. Been
no deconstruction, there's been no purposeful exclusion. This is not
the first time. I apologize that I'm getting tempered, but

(48:50):
I've never been treated like this. You talk about professionalism
every week. Professionalism is lacking with one lawyer here.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
It has never been.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
I don't even like coming to court.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
I used to love it.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
I would die for what we do. I used to say,
I'm dying.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
I would die.

Speaker 5 (49:06):
I couldn't choose a better profession.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
If I had linigated with Miss loved I.

Speaker 12 (49:10):
Wouldn't everybody Calm down, Calm down, everybody, both of you
see both of you, please be see it.

Speaker 9 (49:21):
Judge, I'm not please see.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
You have to do something. You have threatened me with contempt.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
You threaten me with jail.

Speaker 5 (49:28):
If you go back in time, we can just starting
garda jury after jury you did individual guardea painfully.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Miss Love would come.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
In and say that you're was crying.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
It was not true.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
You would say that's not my recollection.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
After I said it, you need nothing.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
We started ask you, please, mister, how would you feel
if you were being treated.

Speaker 9 (49:50):
Mister Steele, I'd like to finish, mister Stee.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
I gave him everything on that drive and it's continual
abuse of a prosecutor of another member of the bar.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
I don't talk with Miss Love, and that's fine.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
I like that, But Judge, I'm not gonna stand here anymore.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
I don't care.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
You could take my bar card.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Mister, I'm not trying.

Speaker 12 (50:14):
I'm not listen there.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
And missus Williams, you know to me, this is an
innocent man you're talking about. Ms. Love said there's a
man in a fault and County jail shouldn't be there.
Mister col Williams shouldn't be in customer.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
But it's been in charge and.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
We come here for a fair trial.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
It's been everything but that according to that, Miss Love
has tried to demonize me at times, mister Adams, at times.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Mister Sharp now and acause she wants.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
To win the case and now she speaks over people.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
It's not right.

Speaker 5 (50:51):
I gave them everything, and by the way, and what
I want to tell you, by the way, it's not
even the law. If they call that, gentleman on direct
I don't have to give them anything before trial.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
I do it because you asked me to receive some
evidence that he had asked for from another county and
altering that evidence in what way, uh, stripping out some
information from it, and then submitted to the court. And
then ye're submitting it to her and you're going to
be using it and trial and there's no basis for
that allegation. And I I I hate to even mention
it again because it's so scurrilous, you know, it's just

(51:24):
it's just crap. But that's that's one example. She was
repeatedly really imputing the integrity of Brian Steele, which just
I don't know where that comes from because and and
and and and you almost you talked about the tight
criminal defense bar. That really offended me, really offended me.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
You almost have to because he's too perceives, he's too
You got to try to bring him down some if
you're not not not if if you're an upstand in person.
But I'm saying in a fight, in a battle, she's
looking at perception, if you ask me. And the reason
I say this is is because they played to the
cameras for a long time. There were faces made to
the jury that were noises. What we what were y'all

(52:06):
thinking about that? Because there was a long time where
Mislove and the rest of those prosecutors were sitting next
to the jury and blurt things out.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
And you know, we had some problems with that, with
with the expressions that would come off miss Love. There
was another prosecutor that would make a lot of expressions
we complained about. I think Keith Adams complained about that
a few times. And I think Judge Whittaker actually she's
the one that ended up with the right answer, which is, well,
the jury can see what they're doing and they can

(52:35):
take from that what they want. And when we interviewed
the jury. At the end of this trial when it
was over, you could you can talk to some jurys.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
I'm I'm gonna have thirty six on them. Yeah, yeah,
I'm gonna But.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
They they they did not take that well. They did
not like that all those expressions.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
And I can't wait to see what it.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Was like back then when the first day would have
got on them, when they got pulled out, Like I
can't wait to get into that with him, as well
as how I've got into it with you. Just You're
opening my eyes to like all these different aspects of
the trial that I'm sure people really don't know. And
I don't like to do interviews. I like to have conversations.
That's what I enjoyed us. And this is so much

(53:16):
better for even the viewers, bro, because it doesn't seem
all like you know, it's it's just he's a person.
This is what made Trump when the election is because
he went and in our two. In our they get
to see exactly who this guy is versus all your
talking points are gone.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Now all of your little chit chatter that you had
is gone.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Now I'm actually seeing who Doug is and what he
stands for. And one thing that's consistent with you is
that you're riding for your client one percent. I'm telling
dudes that this dude right here, I feel spirits.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
I can feel it.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
I can feel it that if you get a connection
with this guy, he gonna fight for you.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Like well, I mean, my clients deserve nothing less.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
I mean this.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Look, so when I was a civil litigator, exclusively in
federal court, I did huge cases, right, a billion, multi
billion dollar cases, you know, Apple versus Google basically and
all this stuff.

Speaker 11 (54:22):
Did that.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I was on the Google side. Anyway, I was on
the Google side. But anyway, that's kind of boring.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
No, that's not.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
But see that's money, okay, And I thought that was
a big deal and I was all important because I
was doing this big money stuff. This is so much
more important. I mean, this isn't bullshit. People think, Oh
that's bullshit. People's lives. The guy sitting next to me,
that's his life. And fortunately I don't know what prison's like,

(54:51):
and I never want to know what prison's like. But
if you want to send my guy to prison, you
better you better prove it, because I'm gonna do everything
I can to make it as difficult as possible, right
and make you do your damn job right.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
And back to Brian Steele and her trying to impede
on his integrity. I think what was interesting is that
Judge Whittaker, because we're off Glenville now he's been recused,
right now, have Whittaker Whittaker openly in court made a
statement criticizing Love saying, Yo, you've been mishandling evidence or
like hiding evidence or playing some sort of you know,

(55:28):
got your game at the end, what was What would
you say to that?

Speaker 2 (55:33):
You know, people looking back on the trial or toward
the end will say, well, Judge Whittaker clearly didn't like
the prosecutors, was kind of against them. But that's not
the reality of it. Really, what really happened is she
went in there not biased toward anybody, with no real opinion.
I mean, Judge Whittaker is a former prosecutor. The position

(55:57):
the prosecution got themselves in with Whittaker was a position
of their own making. You know, they put themselves in
that position. They destroyed, they destroyed their credibility with the court.
I would always tell I tell all my clients this,
I have the coin of the realm. What you carry

(56:18):
and spend in court is your credibility. It's and I
I I do everything I can I keep that credibility
held tight. And if I'm going to file emotion, if
I'm going to do something, you spend your credibility. When
you do that right, you spend it. And I'm not
going to spend it unwisely. So you may want me

(56:39):
to make some motion, and you may get pissed off
because I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Make it right. But there's a lot of lawyers that
go through that.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
What dudes is like, your file emotion and shit ain't right,
and they're like, yeah, but if some lawyers should be
filing those motions. I know guys who have paid lawyers
a lot of money and then as they get four
or five, six years into their time, they start to
fill you know, he should have fouled a Well.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
We make mistakes. I mean, we're humans. I make mistakes
all the time. But my point is I'm careful with
my credibility. The prosecutors in this case destroyed their credibility
with Judge Whittaker and and and and so to the
degree she developed some disrespect for them, and that she
would say things like, you know, get frustrated with them.

(57:24):
They earned that, they earned that, they worked to get that.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Yes, she said.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
She criticized Love, suggesting she was either withholding information or
she was just merely disorganized.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Either you're either disorganized and incompetent or you're intentionally hiding
the ball. I think that's the word use. You're intentionally
hiding the ball. And that's the truth. That's the truth.
And it may have been a bit of a combination.
They were fairly disorganized.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Let me let me ask you this, how did how
did the wife and Lucie case intertwined with this case?

Speaker 3 (58:02):
If at all?

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Not really at all. I think if a little bit
more of that may have come in had mister Hughey's
case proceeded and he hadn't pled out when he did,
so what would have made there was some people just
there was some there were some instances between Hughey, mister

(58:25):
Hughey and some wife in folks that would have been
introduced into the trial because he pled out that ended
up not coming in. And I wasn't as well versed
in that area because that was mister Hughey and mister
Matthews Senior and Junior were his lawyers, and they were
totally up on that part of the case, and there
was so much. I'm sure Max knew it, because Max

(58:46):
knew everything, but that part of the elephant wasn't mine.
I was leaving it up to them. But I think
some of the wife and stuff would have come in then.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Did did so?

Speaker 1 (58:57):
From your understanding at the beginning of the trial, did
Luci ever have a chance to give information or cooperated.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
I don't know if he was ever given the chance
to do that. But I never saw anything come in.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
That will help that will validate him Testifian.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
I never saw anything come in that would have been
from Lucci to help the state in the case against Wyasel.
I saw nothing.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
So how could they have a rico about the beef
between these two gentlemen or these two entities for lack
of a better term, and then not present anything that
the that the so called head of the other organization, Well.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
They got into some of that. They got into some
stabbings at the jail that took place between you know,
where a wife and a wife and guy was stabbed.
So they got into it a little bit. They'd have
gotten into it more if he would have stayed there,
but by this point, by that point in the case,
Mislove had pretty much been removed.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Everybody, okay, yes, so there was a point where mss
Love stopped showing up the game.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Yeah, the last why why did that happen?

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
You'd have to ask d A. Willis why? If you
had to guess, I guess because Judge Whittaker got so
sideways with her, so frustrated with her. I imagine they
made the tactical decision to pull her back. She came
maybe once or twice at towards the end, but that
was all and to move Adam aboute forward. So it
was probably a wise choice.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
I don't know, man, they lost a dog because she
was a dog getting there now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
But it wasn't helping him. It wasn't well, it wasn't
helping him. You don't think so the jury at that point,
when I talked to the jurors, they did not care
for her.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
But she wouldn't shut up when they say ma'am, she'd
be like, but did she keep it coming?

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
She's arguing for her side.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I know, I know, And that's why I said that
she could talk the ears off a donkey, right, because
you did say.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
That I appreciate your honor giving me the moment to speak.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:00:59):
You're on Ryapoulos for interrupting the state earlier, but the
state can talk the ears off a donkey. This continued
filibustering has got to stop so that opposing council can speak.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Here's here's and I'll tell you why I did that.
She had this game she would play with Judge Glanville
very successfully, which is she'd argue something and if she lost,
she'd just keep arguing until Judge Glambville would change his mind.
And I had won that argument. I had won that argument,
and I saw her doing her thing. Just go and

(01:01:30):
she filibusters. In other words, she just talks and as
a and she doesn't let her opponent say a word.
And by the way, with most judges you couldn't get
away with that crap, but they'd shut it down. But
that's what was. That was her tactic. And I thought,
if I don't get up here and cut this woman off,

(01:01:51):
she's going to do it again. She's going to get
Judge Glanville to change his mind. And I wanted that
evidence kept out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
And that was another point where you were straightforward and
you wasn't sitting on your hands like, oh my god,
she's doing it again. See some people will be like,
oh my god, here's she, but they wouldn't say anything.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. You stood up, You're honest.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Here she is again with this, and you just went
right there with I mean, I had to interrupt her
because if I wouldn't have interrupted her, she's doing to
get him. She was going to get him to change
his mind, right, And that's so crazy and itt and
it's really rude to interrupt another lawyer in court.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
And I I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
I maybe I've done it, but I don't remember ever
having done it other than that circumstance, because that was
too important, too important to let go.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Where does the YSL trial stand at this point today?
Is it all done?

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Our trial is done. They've got three more people on
trial right now, or three more people about to go
on trial. And I think other than those three people,
with the other twenty five, there were twenty eight defendants initially,
I think twenty five have been resolved and all they
have left are these three on trial, and I think

(01:03:11):
Oliver them are charged with RICO and one of them
also is charged with the murder of Donovan Thomas.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
What was yet Gotti's or what was your position, your
feeling when Thug is now about to plee out? Because
when Thug please out, if you ask me, you lose
a lot of the viewership, a lot of the interests,
You lose some of the people who cover it every day.
What was you guys feeling?

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
My biggest concern with Thug pleading out was losing the
resources that Thug and Brian Steele brought to that courtroom,
Losing the brilliance of Keith Adams and Brian Steele as
being part of our defense team. I don't want to
say we were kneecapped, but I felt, oh my gosh,

(01:04:00):
we are losing our star quarterback and best wide receiver right, Yes,
that's who we're losing. They're taking that away from us.
And I mean, Max and I just thought, man, we
have got to step up our game.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
And it was scary.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
We got to step it up. And I'll tell you
the good thing though, all these other defense attorneys whose
folks pled out, they all told us We're still here
for you. Anything you need you let us know, whatever
it is. We got your back.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Did you believe that or would you utilize that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
That's a two points Okay, Yeah, I totally believed it
because the amount of trust the brotherhood and sisterhood, the
tightness that our defense team developed during that trial was tremendous,
and so I totally believed them. I had no reason
to doubt them, and I did call on them from

(01:04:55):
time to time. I called on mister Matthews for some
help regarding some alc against Hughie that we're going to
come in.

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
I talked to Brian and Keith about things. I talked
to Nicole Westmoreland. I think I pretty much talked to
talk to everybody and got some help at various times
from most folks there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
So for people who don't know how this is played out, thug, please,
where does your client stand on the day?

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Thug? Please? As far as his trial, his positioning.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
I'm gonna sit back here a man. Yeah do you think?
Do you think get comfortable? Yes? Sir? Where did we stand?

Speaker 9 (01:05:33):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
We had the opportunity to plead out, as I said earlier,
we could make that call. So we we had to
make a decision are we going to plead? And Diamante
told me Yak told me I had nothing to do,
so he was standing on it absolutely. He said, I

(01:05:55):
had nothing to do with the death of Donovan Thomas.
I am not going to go to prison for anything
where I have to take any responsibility for the death
of Peanut, death of Donovan Thomas. And so he's like,
I have faith in you. We're going to go forward. Okay,
we're going to go forward.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
What did you think. No, did you think, oh God,
we're losing thug and we're going forward? Are you sure?

Speaker 10 (01:06:19):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
I mean I didn't put it that way. It was
more like, Okay, I mean, now I've got a Really
this is a tremendous responsibility because if we lost, he
is going to prison pretty much for the rest of
his life if we lost. So it's a giant responsibility

(01:06:41):
and and I took it very seriously. I mean, it's
ultimately the only person that makes a decision whether ple
out is that defendant, that individual. And it's again, I'm
not I'm not going to criticize people that plant out

(01:07:01):
or criticize people that stay in. It's their call. And
if you if you plea out, you gotta live with that.
If you plea out and you you go into prison
for something you didn't do, you gotta sit in I
don't have to tell you. You gotta sit in that
prison day after day knowing you're sitting there dealing with
that shit on something that you didn't do. Right, Yeah,

(01:07:23):
and how can you live? I mean, so, there's a
lot of reasons people did the various things that they did.
I respect each decision they all made. They made it
for their own reasons. You know, I wish Thug hadn't
play out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
We're finna get to that actually right now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
So so okay, so before we get to the pleat thing,
because it's gonna be I know, that's gonna be a
kind of intense conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
The the stabbing of yet Gottiyah. When did this happen?

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
It happened like relative to the plea, actually like a
month later. So it happened a month after Thug's plea.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Yeah, it was towards the very end. I'm trying to think.
I think it happened around the time of closing arguments.
Is when that happened, that he got stabbed in the head.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
How does some like this even take place?

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Well, he actually he wasn't stabbed in rice Street he
was stabbed in like the South Fulton Annex. But you
know there's weapons in these people fashion their own weapons.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
I mean, yeah, But.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
I'm wondering if because my understanding that so are they
treating Thug different than yack nginail Because I'm understanding well in.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
The sense that that I think I think they kept
Thug more isolated from the general population, whereas they put
y in. Jack's in there with everybody, right, So Thug
was a little isolated. And then you know there's pluses
and minuses to that though, right, because what kind of
social interaction are you having when you're basically basically in solitary, right?

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
But I would think when they're going to court, so
where are they being transported from? When when Yak is
coming to court, is he close or are they putting
him on the bus every single morning for two years
a year.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Most of the time he's at Rice Street. So that's
that's like, well, like at fifteen or twenty minute ride,
it's not very far. South Fulton's a little bit more
of a distance because that's that's in Union City, so
that's more of a commute from Union City end. But
you know, Thug had a commute from Cobb County, which
is a pretty good commute coming in every day.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Yeah, damn, they said four am. Wake up too. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Oh they're a wake shane, y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
That ain't going. You saw me complain to Wiaker because
like a couple of days they woke up, they woke
up yack at like three am or court, and and
I said something to the judge. The judge said something
to the sheriff's office, and they moved it back to
a more reasonable wow, because you know the reason why
isn't just a humanity thing. But from a legal standpoint,

(01:10:12):
I need Deanmante's part of that defense team. I need
his input. I need him awake and alert and listening
to those witnesses and so we can talk about everything.
I can't have him there half asleep. That's not an
effective defense. And I brought that up to Judge Whittaker
and she supported us.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
So you say thugs shouldn't, So what's your position, what's
your position on young thugs?

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Plea, That is none of my damn business what he did.
And I don't think it's anybody's business. And I don't
think anybody should criticize what he did, even himself, because
I know he's second guessing himself right now, right.

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
And and why would you say that though? What why
would you say he shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Be criticizing kicking himself? Yeah, because you gotta do what
you gotta do when you're in that position. And he
had been locked up in there for two and a
half years. There was no guarantee, no looking back. It's
so easy to say, man, you'd have gotten are not
guilty too? And maybe he would have. Was he guaranteed
that you tell me? Was he guaranteed and not guilty?

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
If you're asking me the way that case was presented,
I'm saying he was guaranteed. And I'm also saying that
Brian Steele, although it's a different kind of celebration because
thug is home, I would think Brian Steele wants to
nail this to the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Yeah he does.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Yeah, I've spent two years away from my family in
every day and we're whooping them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Yeah we got him on the mat is two Yeah,
they just need one moment the match is over.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
So if we all felt that way, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
So if I'm looking at it, and I know, I
know Thug in that moment is like, yeah, but I
get to go home.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Here's the other thing that I don't think people will appreciate.
And let's talk about this for a second. So when
most people think about please, they think about a negotiated plea.
That's what a normal plea is. You and the prosecution,
you agree on a sentence, and pretty much the judge
accepts it for the most part most of the time.

(01:12:20):
What Thug did was incredibly ballsy. It took nerve because
what he took and I don't think people appreciate this.
He took a non negotiated plea, which means he went
before Judge Whittaker and said, I'm gonna plead guilty and
I'm gonna leave it to you, to you, judge, to

(01:12:42):
set my sentence. My god, he didn't know he was
going to go home when he played guilty.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
If I'm Brian Steele, I'm pulling my hair out knowing
that I got these people against the ropes and here
he is going in here for a non Now. I
love him, so I support him, and I also think
that this will probably come out of your favor, right
because I wouldn't have let you do it if I didn't.
But at the same time, you always been two years

(01:13:07):
and we got him, bro, we got him right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Well, Okay, now I'm in a nitpick a second, Brian. Still,
it wasn't a matter of him letting him or not
letting him do anything. That's entirely up to Jack. But
that's entirely up to him. We advise, we tell people
what we think is gonna happen, but the only one
that makes that call.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
But what kind of respect is that when I've given
you two years of my life? Right, And that's just
on the front end, that's just in trial. But how
long Thug and Brian has been together.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Here's the other thing. Here's the other thing. Why did
this trial in the month after all these guys played out?
It's because all these guys played out. If Jeffrey were
to stayed in that trial.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
I was going to ask you how much time in
that trial we.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Would still be in trial today.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
So if Thug would would have not pleaded, how much
time do you think.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Child wouldn't know? If he wouldn't have played out, we
probably would have been out by like April or May
of this year. Damn, that's my guess. Yeah, that's my guess.
So look, I know people, I know people say, and

(01:14:21):
it's not just hindsight. I know people said at the
time he shouldn't have taken the plea. I get it.
And then looking back, it's even easier now to say
you shouldn't have taken the plea. But again, I'm not
going to criticize a guy that's been basically stuck in
solitary confinement for two and a half years. You didn't
know that, well, no, no, that was in He took

(01:14:43):
that plea November first, and I said, we would have
been there till May, so say six months, seven months.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
But the hard part over where and I could possibly
be a free man?

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Yeah, I know, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
And then just talk about the stipulation surrounding the plea agreement, right,
do you see that as being different a cult to
you know, stay free or stay in complainants with the stand.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Well, the terms that Judge Whittaker put on him were
not nearly as bad as the terms and the negotiated place,
so they're a little more free for him to do
his art. And here's here's even here's something important. Here's
something important. Here's something important. Yes, Judge Whittaker specified, if

(01:15:29):
you bring him back here to court on a probation revocation,
I'm the one that's going to hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
Right, So you can't run all these.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Can't do some game and bring it back and you
get some judge that doesn't know what the hell went
on in here. You want to play some because you
know that's what they do to people. Yes, they give
them ten years probation knowing, knowing we're going to catch
them at something and we're going to revoke them, right,
Because it's easy to revoke probation. Man, it is easy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
Got fifteen years and it's easy to revoke.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Yes, it doesn't take much of a fuck up. And
you don't have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt technical violation.
You only have to prove more likely than not. It's
easy to prove a pro probation ravocation. Those are tough
tough to win, which is why I was so happy
that Yaks got withdrawn by the way, So you know,

(01:16:20):
I think he can follow it. I think he can
follow He's gonna have to be careful. He's a little
free to do his art, but he's gonna have to be.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
That's what I want to talk to you about, like
the art form side of it. Right, they utilized lyrics.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
In this trial.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
That's one of my hot button is Right, they utilized.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Lyrics in this trial.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
You stand for the rap Act and trying to be
on the side of hey allowing them free expression and
to and to uh protect their integrity as it pertains
to creative integrity. What what was your feeling as they
read lyrics as they played songs and videos and they.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Were wrong several times. It's just had a context.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
The whole thing pissed me off. I mean, I don't
know any other way to say it, especially when it
came to the lyrics they wanted to use against Diamonte,
Because look, I get I can kind of understand if
there's some connection between a lyric and the crime, but
they were doing ship where they're bringing up thugs lyrics

(01:17:21):
written months before, months and months before the crime. So
how could it be talking about or bragging on the crime?
Had nothing to do with the crime. You know, it
was one hundred rounds in the Tahoe.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
And that's and so that's what was interesting to me
just to see you, to see them doing like h
with the little uzy diamond in the head or fast.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
That was the worst man. I mean, if you guys
don't know about that, if you didn't follow that, they
what was what was the line try head inwards head?
You know he's talking about Luluzi Birt and that diamond
in his head. If you read it in context, the
whole thing, it's clear that's what he's talking about. The

(01:18:08):
state puts it in the damn indictment like thugs putting
a hit out on somebody, and that indictment, that indictment
gets read to the jury. We can't do shit about that.
It gets read to the jury. It's all out of context.
It's total bad faith. It's just more the it's just
more the crap that they tried to do. That's like

(01:18:30):
the whole business ship, which was it slant? What was
the album the album with the its future and Thug
It's Future and Thugs album.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Future, what's the future? And thug album called slime Season
slut no slime Season?

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
I think it maybe slime forgive me something, slime season.
You know where they got the snake and and they're
like this was a thread that was all crap, you know,
what Thug had nothing. First of all, those are the
symbols of those two guys.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Yes, you know, logos, same with NBC.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
It's logos. Thug had nothing to do with the design
of the cover. That's like these lyrics. I brought this
up in my cross examination of who the hell was that? Uh,
I don't remember. It was one of the artists that
they put on the stand and I was cross examining
him about his slime Life Shorty. I was cross examining

(01:19:31):
slime Life Shorty about his lyrics. He doesn't write those
lyrics alone. Everybody gets involved in that. Producers do record label,
everybody gets involved in that. You know, that's just not
He's not some monk on top of a mountain coming
up with this stuff. So that's this whole use of
lyrics is a real problem.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
What's your position on there? How do you get it changed?
And what is the fight consists of?

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Well, I'm laying a little low right now because we've
got some Republicans that are working on that right now
in the Georgia legislature to get the wrap back passed.
So I'm just gonna try to be kind of quiet,
a little more quiet than normal about it and let
them do their political things. Like I'm going to stick
to the courts for right now and let them do
their legislating. But I'm doing what I can behind the

(01:20:18):
scenes to get stuff done. And I'd like it to
be done nationally. But if we have to do it
state by state, well damn, we'll do it state by state.
You know, We'll do whatever is the name of it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
Actually, superlam super slimy, Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
I'm glad.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Also, also, I heard you be critical of the Ysale
documentary that law in Crime.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Well I just I just thought it was very superficial.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
And you have a relationship with low and crime, will
head do you still have one?

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
I mean, ever since I criticized them, they don't talk
to me too much anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Will you should be able to have your opinion?

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
That shouldn't It's fine, that's no skin off my notes.
I mean, look, I think anybody that sees me on
any of these interviews, I'm not very guarded. I pretty
much say what I think. I'm sixty years old. I
don't give a fucking sam I'm gonna just say what
I want to say, and and the chips will fall
where they will. But yeah, Yeah, I just didn't think

(01:21:15):
they did it. I thought it was sensationalized. I mean,
if you want to to me, to me, there's a
lot of people that do the YSL trial a lot better,
like you're covering it, like you look at I think
that George Cheaty and his partner did a great job
with King Slime, the King Slime podcast. George Cheaty's an

(01:21:37):
independent journalist. That King's that King Slime podcast. It's two seasons.
They didn't get to do the whole trial because I
guess it didn't get picked up, but it's a great
podcast and it goes in depth into what happened. You
look at like Megan Kanuff's covering of the trial. Megan
did a great job of that. There's a lot of
miss Sylvia was covering. I mean, and I mean the king.

(01:22:01):
Who's the king, right, the king of all the coverage?
I think, on like a minute basis thugger day Man.
That guy, he he was awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:22:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
I told him I want to get him with Thug
at some point, like I want him to meet thug
Man because yeah, he did so much for the trial.
And I don't even know if Thug know that, but
I see we all know it. I don't know reposting
him and ship so I know that there's something there.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
But I really think he deserves a handshake, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:22:32):
All.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Yeah, that guy deserves that guy deserves credit because if
you couldn't watch the stream, like most working people can't
watch the stream, you couldn't watch the stream.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
He really gave this was this moment, this moment, that moment.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
And what he said was factual and true. I mean, heck,
he reach out to some of us and say, hey,
explain what's going on here. I mean, I'm happy to
tell people I was talking to thugger day because he's
out there and the truth out about what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
He was doing a great job. Him and Cuff Boys
actually did a good job.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
I haven't really talked to him. He did a great job.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Yes, he did a great job, and he they these
guys had a infinity for thug Man. They really really
really wanted to see like whoa, this is our favorite YOA,
don't do that, and they covered it different like Cuffboys
he does this all the time, but for Thug it
was it just felt a little different. This the whole

(01:23:30):
WI sale trial felt a little different. It felt like
it was journalism, it wasn't just content creation. And it's
a difference.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
And when I talked to Thugger Daily about it, he's like, well,
I came into this with kind of an open mind
and just just like straight reporting about what's going on.
But anyone that paid attention to this, you can't help
but develop a feeling about what was going on in
that courtroom, and what was going on in that courtroom
at least until Judge Whittaker came on just wasn't right.

(01:23:59):
And and Thugger Daily picked up on that. God blessed
Thugger Day.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
Not for sure, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
Also, Law in Crime ended up releasing jail phone calls
from Young the after he was released, and you know,
for lack of a better term, calls from turmoil with
him and his wife.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
You know, here's what I was very I'm glad you
reminded me of that, because I was very critical of
that as well. And the reason I was critical of
that is people have to understand most people don't know
this because they just see what happens in the movies
since COVID. In COVID, they cut off any kind of
personal visits. So the only way to visit with your

(01:24:40):
loved one who's in jail is over video, and they're
recording all that stuff, and you don't have a choice
but to be recorded. Thug had no choice but to
have his interactions be recorded. And for that shit to
leak was just low. It was just low and so
and spread and so the shit that academics was doing too,

(01:25:03):
where he was spreading around a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
And see that's the thing about what I don't understand
people like academics right, which I'm in the same with peers,
but I say what I want to say right for you.
So so academics, especially at the beginning, was very critical,
Oh they're gonna hang him on these And I'm like, yo, bro,
you represent us our culture, if anything, create a conversation

(01:25:29):
surrounding the misunderstandings with using lyrics and this oozy shit,
Like they clearly got a lot of stuff wrong from
our cultural context.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
Why are you pouring on and saying they're gonna hang him.
Oh he did it. Old Fanny willis in it. And
I'm like, yo, ro, my god, it hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
It hurts my feelings, bro, because I understand how powerful
our voice is it literally changes people's minds. So I'm thinking,
what if the jury is watching this and he's wrong,
like academics is wrong about several things he's saying.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Now, the jury, they're instructed to not watch anything outside
of but it's that gonna happen. But and they say
they didn't. But you know what, during well the trial's
going on, I can't count on that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
I can't count on that, That's what I'm saying. So,
I mean, look, it's not just I just got to
make sure that everything that's out there in public about
Yak is truth. Please, and if there's some bullshit going
on about him, and by the way, this is the
case for any of my clients, I'm not gonna let people.
I mean, if I'm gagged, I'm gagged.

Speaker 5 (01:26:32):
And and I was.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Careful to follow the rules, like I didn't say stuff
outside of court that I didn't also say in court, right,
because I got rules I gotta follow. But if you're
gonna say some crap about my guy, I'm going to
counter that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Yeah, and you as you should. Yeah, you know, as
you should.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
Because when I see these narratives online, people don't understand
how one hand washed the other, but both washed the face.
So these people can start a narrative online that can
really lead to charges.

Speaker 11 (01:27:03):
I e.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
We saw r Kelly, whether he's guilty or not. We
see the documentaries pop up it, and then following comes
into rests, prosecution, and then ultimately he's in jail. We
see the same thing with Diddy, We see the rumblings thing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
You folks should have a voice. Whatever you call yourselves
journalists and what you call yourself media.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
You know, I call myself a broadcast.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Okay. You people that have public reach, whether you're like
for the New York Times or you're on Twitter or
or or TikTok or whatever, you've got a responsibility that
what you put out there should be truth, should be
moving conversations forward, should not be dragging things down. And

(01:27:52):
we all have a role to play in society. You know,
I always say people, I always say, according to Jewish mysticism,
I'm Jewish, going to Jewish mysticism, the Kabo law. The
world got shattered, the world got broken. It's our job,
all of our jobs, to repair our world. Yes, to
make it a better place. Yes, to repair that world

(01:28:13):
it's called in Hebrew, it's called tikun olam repairing the world.
So I don't always succeed. I fall down. I'm a human, yes,
but I hope, I hope what I do is working
to repair the world. And I think that's what we
should all be doing and tearing folks up. And that's
why I don't want to speak bad on people I know.
Think that helps me repair the world.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Now, for sure, what's your feelings on Diddie's case, and
then we'll get there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
I've been following it at all.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
No, No, that's not true.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
No, it's you know what, that's not true.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
You're too involved in this culture now to no.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
But you know what, I have to tell the truth.
Since why SLA has gotten out, We've got sixty cases
to try. I got judges hauling me all over the
state of Georgia into I am. I am busier than
a one armed paper hanger. I am all over the place.
So I followed the uh shoot that case in California,

(01:29:11):
that Rocky I'm tired. I followed the Asap Rocky case
because I think that's pretty interesting what's going on there.
The Diddy case to the extent they tried to use
some lyrics there. I'm going to be following that part
of the case.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
But you just taking out man, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean you didn't just come off a long run.
You know a lot of a lot of you know,
investigation and emotions. Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
But I think I may have alluded to it earlier,
like starting March first, I'm going out on my own.
I'll have a little more time to follow all that
kind of stuff. Start my own firm. Oh yeah, wowngrat
I'm getting some space from Bruce Harvey. I'm gonna be
down and down in his building and uh yeah, it's
gonna be. Let let me do my own thing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Are you telling me that? What can you disclose what
you were paid for representing?

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Yet?

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
Gotti? Like, what is a case like that worth?

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Basically, well worth a lot more than we were paid.
But here, you know, I'll tell folks the way criminal
defense works in general if they don't know. Usually the
way criminal defense works. As you come to us with
a case, it's a flat fee. We look at the
case and we say, based on our experience, we're going
to charge you x amount of dollars and that's it
for the most part. For the most part, that's how

(01:30:30):
it works. So it's fair to say that, with maybe
the exception of Brian and Keith, none of us got
paid anywhere near what would be normal compensation for this
task that we did.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
We take a beaten Yeah, for sure, we take all
those hours.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
But you know what, it doesn't matter. You know why,
a deal is a deal. You signed up for this.
We have an agreement. Nobody's expecting a two year trial,
but that's the deal. That's the deal. So we're you know,
my boss, j Appt, you know, this is what we
agreed to. We're going to try this case.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Were you paid cash or by the state? Like not cash?
Were you paid by your client or by the state.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
We get paid by our client. We're private attorneys. Were
paid by our client. Still, yeah, we were not quarter pointed.
Misty Williams that represent low Rod. She was quarter point
She was at the end of the case or the
bulk of the case. She was the only quarter pointed
attorneys still in there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Wow, so she was paid.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
It's public. I think she was paid five thousand dollars
a month in that trial when that man she had
to fight for that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
Have you ever been to public. Now you went straight
because wow, wow, you went right to the big league.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Yeah. I did go right to the right.

Speaker 5 (01:31:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Yeah, but that's okay. I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
I love what I do well, man, I really appreciate
this conversation. We chopped it up good that people gonna
enjoy this, see a different side of you, and finally
to speak No, for sure, bro, I've been waiting to
speak to you. I'm always like I said, I watched
you and I said, man, he's a dog, and now
I want to speak to him. I also want to
get brand still on he I just ain't called him
and told him, but I want to speak to BRASSTI.

(01:32:21):
I want to speak to some of the people. I
got the Juril thirty six Monday's great.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Everybody should watch that. I'm going to watch that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Yeah for sure, for sure, I really appreciate this though, man,
and we'll be in touch and continue to have these
conversations about other things about the Rap Act. You know,
I continue to lend my platform to you. Thank you,
and again, man, thank you for coming on. Thank you
for sure y'all do something with that game. It's up
the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Let's go

Speaker 9 (01:35:00):
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