Feat Dr Umar Johnson - Part 2 _Dr. Umar Johnson Breaks Silence on Diddy’s RICO Case, Cassie’s Testimony, and LeBron James’ Silence” - ITS UP THERE PODCAST W/LOONEY

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cassie willingly subjected herself to Sean Combs because she wanted
access to the thing. I believe she was as much
a freak as Puff was, if not more, if not more. Yeah,
anybody who wants to claim that she was purely a
victim is in denial. If Loom, there's no way. I

(00:25):
don't care how much grooming. You're not a child, you're.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
A grown woman, and you mix race on top of that,
so you got a white parrot.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Feel, there's no way you're doing all of.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
This if you don't want to from a psychologist there,
not for not for a woman with a white man.
For what about this Stockholm syndrome thing that people are
trying to know that's very real.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
I believe that all of that bears some truth in
this case, but cannot be completely explained by it. The
problem I'm having, Loom is I'm seeing people go out
of their way and make excuses for her because she's
not all black woman. If Cassie wasn't light skin in
mixed race, do you really think she would be getting

(01:11):
this type of sympathy from the black community or the
America at all. No, it's because she was mixed race
that people are coming to an eight. If this was
Lizzo in this case, you feel me, she wouldn't get
half the sympathy. She would be called a gold digger.
And if you didn't want to be there, you could
have left. You feel me, Yes, I didn't think about

(01:32):
black women. Don't get black women that type of support.
This is only happening because Cassie is mixed race.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
And if you ain't talking, no toler name. Look they
say this guys, didn't women. I'm going farther than that
she couet doing on my phone, So I called her mama,
Come and get your daughter back. They want a little
better thing. Get them boys, wag or what lil and
I boish your brain, but get all that they did.
This guy's a limb. I'm going fall. You can try to,
but can't kim. I'm Levada. I just bought an in

(02:02):
a life as I did a side. Come with that auto.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
You lave the reason you broke.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
You know a hoss ain't normal, stressed some red road,
red eye, he brown. No, I'm looking too the bullets
as for a bullet because he never felt want to
stick onto the wilds and nail gun rather Aduale on
a nail something.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
And every time you go to work long think about that.
Every time I go to work, I gotta act like
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
What my people have been through, because if I showed
the slightest political integrity or cultural loyalty, I can lose
my if we go, y'all cookies. This is why Lebron
James still with Israel against Palestine, but did nothing when
that brother was shot dozens of times in Akron, Ohio.

(02:51):
Jalen Walker got hit with almost one hundred bullets by
the white police, and all Lebron James said is I
gotta pray. I gotta pray. But when Israel invaded Palistine
and started uneliving all those people over there, you stood
with Israel because as a black entertainer, if you want
to be successful in white space, you have to commit

(03:12):
historical suicide. Boy cooking the day you got so okay,
So beagles. See here's the thing, though, real quick, go ahead.
Now that the white man knows Ryan Clark is not
only politically conscious, They're not upset about you being politically conscious.

(03:34):
Stephen A. Smith is politically conscious, but Ryan Clark is
loyal as well. The Lord. It's the loyalty. Ryan Clark's
comments made it clear, I'm a black man.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Fire, yeah, because the Lord informs your decision making.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yes. So now the white man is like damn, he's
politically conscious like stephen A, but he's more loyal to
black people. Move on, He'll move on it. So now
Ryan Clark, he's not going to lose his job, but
once again, there will be certain opportunities he may not

(04:11):
get now because the power structure knows you staying with
the negroes in the field, not the ones in the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
And so also getting back to the community that when
I went in and they was talking about, you know,
the dirty mouth or just like you said, some of
the historical over reaches that they use as it pertains
to black women, it just doesn't feel like trauma driven

(04:41):
to me because the particular things that they will pointing out,
meaning because you know me, I like to have a conversation,
what are you saying?

Speaker 1 (04:50):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Like, I'm highly upsetting you're about to get kicked out
of here. But before I kick you out, what is
that like? Why are you talking about bl in this
way in any instances? Like you say, even if honest,
that means, even if it's the truth, why is this
even coming out of your mouth when your black mother

(05:12):
took care, Because you are proving that you are politically
harmless to white folks. See, the white woman for the
black man is the political surrender flag loom. When I
walk into a space with a white woman, I'm letting
every white person no, I am not loyal to my community.

(05:35):
I'm not loyal to my mother. I'm not loyal to
my father. I'm not loyal to my neighbors, the children
I went to college with. I am loyal to you.
The white woman is the black man's nonverbal mouthpiece. By
having her next to you, you are making a political
statement to the world that I am loyal to the

(05:57):
white power structure.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, and so I asked, I'm like, yo, what is man?
I don't like they talk too much, they argue too much.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't listen. Black women love me. I love black women.
I don't hear no bunch of all. But here's the
question I would have to any black man who maligns
and denigrates black women to justify dating white. First of all,
you were going to date white even if you were
treated well because your abhorrence for black women is not

(06:29):
just about how she treated you. Your abhorrence to black
women is about the fact you always wanted a white one.
You're just using her as the excuse for why you
are there. We've all been mistreated before by women, period,
but I never abandoned them. You understand you wanted white
women anyway. You're just choosing black women as the excuse.

(06:50):
And this is how I explain it. Who has mistreated
the black man more? The black woman or the white man.
There is no black man in America who can say
I've been mistreated more by black women than white men.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
You a damn lie.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Who locked you up, who miseducated, who fired you, who
won't give you a job. You understand, most of the
black man's problems in America were caused by the white man,
not the black woman. Why you don't have the same
smoke for him. Yeah, and that's why you don't have
the same smoke for America that you have for the
black woman. If it's purely about how you've been treated,

(07:32):
you should be way more angry at white men than
black women.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
That's the whole fact. It's because you love white people
and having sex with that white woman is the way
you try to psychologically prove to yourself that you're equal
to her white man and escapegoat is look Stephen A
excuse me, Shannon Sharp and Terrell Owens said, when I
went to school, black girls called me ugly, Shannon Sharp

(07:58):
and Terrell.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Owens, When I was young going through school, black women
called me ugly. Right, But Shannon Sharp, you let a
nineteen year old snow buddy put a dog leash around
your damn neck and walk you around calling you monkeys
and apes.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
And the N word.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
So you mean to tell me you don't date black
women because they called you ugly when you was a child,
But you'll let a white woman dog walk your ass
button neck it around her bedroom calling you every monkey
and eight and in word that can be. But it's
okay when a white woman disrespects me. It's okay for
the white woman to put a dog collar around my
neck and call me the N word. It's okay for

(08:40):
the white woman to put a dog collar around my
neck and force me to engage and racist sexual play.
But if a black girl calls me ugly, I'll never
date one again. But a white woman could dog walk
me button neck and and call me an ape and
a gorilla and an N word, And it's perfectly fine.
You a goddamn hippo. You hate yourself and you hate

(09:02):
black women. Stop making excuses, right, And sometimes it feels
like that they don't. They don't hate black They just
feel like they hate what a black woman had to be.
A lot of times black women are kicked into survival mode.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
So sometimes that we are responsible for how they are.
They say, I like the white woman because she's passive,
she's diciled, she's feminine, she's supportive. She don't she she
allows me to lead, you know why, because she don't
need you for anything. Idiot, The white woman needs nothing
from the black man. Let me say it again. The

(09:36):
white woman needs nothing from the black man. Let me
say it one more time. The white woman needs nothing
from the black man. And when she's tired of you,
she just accuse you of rape or get a divorce
and take half your damn back. Shannon Sharp about to
pay this white girl twenty five thousand dollars per check.
And she looked like two thirteen, Steve, Nah, look like

(09:57):
a thirteen year old boy.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Ye, you're gonna pay her twenty five thousand dollars before
an ass cheek.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
She don't even have man. She looked like she needed
to be passing the sod mile. And then they got
the nerd to be calling black women gold diggers. Well,
if black women are the gold diggers, loom, show me
a OnlyFans model, Show me a black OnlyFans model who
are about to get twenty five thousand dollars a cheek,
and them sisters got fat ass. It's worse than you.

(10:26):
You feel me.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
You talk about set ups, They got the set up
and they not getting twenty five granded cheek. I'm looking
at this white girl, ain't got no black side, and
you're about to give her twenty five granded cheek.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Because it wasn't about the body, It wasn't about the
looks of the craven. It was about the color of
the flesh. This is about whiteness. I want proximity to whiteness.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Do you think the close eye am to white people,
the better I feel about myself? So you think, Shannon Shaw,
because because I sometimes think that it's the activity, you.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Don't find it odd that the brothers who go the
most for the white girls tend to be the darker brothers. Yeah,
I definitely find it. And I'm saying this as a
dark skinned brother. Look at him. Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
You get light skinned brothers and mixed race brothers. They
got a white mother, we understand not acceptable, but we understand.
You get light skinned brothers who only day white. But
in my experience, my dark skin brothers, they go crazy
over snow bunny vagina.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
They go crazy over snow bunny vaginactiv Look at RG three.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
You just got a divorce and went and wifed up
another bunny.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Self hatred brother. There's a book France for nine. No.
I don't know if you heard of him. He was
from Martinique. He's one of our greatest black revolutionaries. They
murdered him not too long after they murdered doctor King.
They had to get him out the way because he
was serious. He was a psychiatrist. He wrote a book
called Black Skin White Mass. Every snow bunny Hopper needs
to read black Skinned White Mass and guess what he

(12:07):
had a snow bunny. But he told the truth. He
told the truth.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
He talked about how black men who date white women
have an aspect of self hate and by dating her
you're trying to baptize yourself into equality with the Caucasian men.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Wow. And that's why I don't trust black men who
date white women. Never. Never. Wow. You go home to
my enemy and you don't think I know you telling
how what we just talked about, because you got to remember,
the black man knows. He's always at the mercy of her.
He always look at Look look at Gabriella. I sue

(12:43):
Ninja's she's a twenty one year old only fans. It
don't matter. I got the whole US government on my side.
I got the whole US government on my side. Look
at his white girl. She talking about something. He sexually
abused me. And I don't trivialize sex assault, right because
black women are assaulted than anybody else. Right. But if
he's sexually assld as you once, you let him back

(13:06):
in again because he brought Christmas gifts and birthday gifts.
Oh snow, Bunny was sexually assaulted by a black incredible hawk,
and he showed up a few weeks later with Christmas
gifts and birthday gifts. You win, and you let him
back in to do it again. But here's the biggest peace.

(13:26):
You never called the cops now with Sharon and Sharp. Right,
there was another woman came out accusing him of abuse
that happened but ten years ago. Right, I don't think
he's guilty of either one. You know why, because there's
not a white woman in America, Loom who you sexually
a soul who ain't getting your ass locked up? Think
about that, brother, do you realize the biggest social crime

(13:52):
in American history historically until nineteen sixty seven outlawed the
band on interracial marriage, the biggest social crime in America
was a black man with a white woman. They hung
us from trees, off the accusation. They hung us from trees,
even if it was consensual on the white woman's part.
And you mean to tell me you're a white woman

(14:13):
who got said by a black male celebrity, and you
never called the police, Shannon Sharp, You never called the police.
Bill Cosby, give me a damn.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
What do you say to people who say believe victims,
believe the people who say that they've been assaulted because
there's a large precidity.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
I believe victims, but I'm not believing no privileged white
girl who don't get a black man arrested because black
men are presumed guilty until proven innocent. Now if these
women were black loomed, Now we got a grey area.
I know why black women don't tell because they don't
get white women privilege. Black women are assumed to be sexy, promiscuous.

(14:56):
Black women are assumed cooking to be jez Abelle. Black
women are assumed to be manipulateds of men. This is
why black women don't call the police. This is why
black women don't do rape kits. This is why black
women don't sue celebrities. They not gonna get no damn money.
If a black woman sue Shannon Sharp, she not getting
no damn money. He'll fight it to the end. He'll

(15:17):
fight it to the end. But I will volunteerly. Because
he volunteered, ten me volunteered, and she only wanted twenty
five granded cheek. It went from twenty five granded cheek
to twenty five million in cheek. And y'all calling my
sister's gold diggers. Y'all calling my sister's gold diggis RG three?

(15:40):
What's your child support? I know his ex wife tried
to get thirty six thousand a month. I don't know
if she got it. RG three, what's your child support?
And you got these tiger woods? Ex wife got a
hundred million? What black woman you know got a hundred million?
Right when Robert de Niro divorced his black wife. Did
you see what the judge told Robert de niro X

(16:01):
We're going to give you a million dollars a year
as long as you stay single. Did you hear that
you're supposed to get half the bag?

Speaker 2 (16:08):
He's supposed to get half the loon They didn't give nothing.
They said, you're going.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
To get a million a year until you get married,
and if you ever remarry, you don't get enough a dime. Man,
We are not winning in this snow bunny hunt. We
are losing, and we can't see it because we hate
ourselves so much and love white people so much. We
don't even recognize me being played. In fact, Loon I
would say, we need to open up a business, brother,

(16:38):
We need to start a snow bunny leasing agency. Start
leasing them out, because all you doing is leasing them.
Shannon Shot was leasing up. He was leasing out, but
they didn't give him the bill till it was over.
Bill Cosby was leasing them white girls.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
RGD was leasing that first wife This ain't no relationship.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
This is business for money, pleasure for money. And when
I'm done being leased, just like with at least, I'm
gonna turn your ass in and you're gonna have to
pay the.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Extra fees, all the extra mile. This ain't nothing but
a damn snow bunny. LEAs and crist they leasten. Somebody
need to start a snow bunny leasing agency. You want
a white girl, how long you want to for me?
And um, and I'm gonna tell you something else. And
this is funny, but I believe it's gonna happen sooner
or later.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
I believe it. If you black brother, going and get
him some paper time, if you don't mind, if you're black,
I'm good. You're looking. If you black and you in
the insurance company, this is for all my black insurance
brokers right now. Somebody need to come up with an
insurance policy loom for interracial dating. There needs to be

(17:47):
an insurance policy for black men who date bunnies, not
just snow bunnies, the rice bunnies, the sand bunnies, the
souths of bunnies, all of them. Because, as you can see,
when you are rich and you are black and you
are dating outside your race, there is an increased likelihood
that you are going to be financially compromised by the

(18:08):
end this relationship. This should be snow bunny insurance. If
I was an insurance broker, I would create a snow
bunny insurance policy for these black men. I would charge
their asses up. What do you think Shannon sharp fate
is gonna be? As I said earlier, financially he's gonna
be fine because he's in a podcast world. What is

(18:29):
ESPN gonna do? On the one hand, he's very popular. Yes,
I think they keep him, but I think what they were,
what they had in store for him, he ain't gonna
get that, right they going to I think he stays
with ESPN because he brings the views you feel me,
But I think that they were looking at him for
other things that he's no longer going to get them. Hey,

(18:52):
Jonathan Major's right, Jonathan Majors is still acting. But this
certain roles that they were going to put that brother in,
he will never be considered forever again because in the
white world, to just be accused of sex assault with
a snow bunny is to be convicted.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, it's definitely over for that, they don't play the
same type of like you said, you have no you
have no benefit of a doubt.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
You know what I'm saying. And you know another reason
why white folks don't have any mercy for snow Bunny
oppers because they know, you know what they didn't put
us through. Even though I don't like black people as
a white person, even though they don't like you, Loom,
sometimes they gotta respect the fact that you're standing on
your square. White people can't stand me, but every once

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in a while one of them will pulled me to
the side and they'll say, I don't agree with you
on many things, but I gotta respect the fact you
one of the only ones I see that go hard
for your people. And you ain't no x con doing this.
You see what I'm saying. You're a brother with all
the credentials I got, yes, and you're doing this for you.
They gotta respect you because you, like I'm not folding.

(20:03):
So when you see a multi millionaire black man who
publicly tells the world I don't date black women and
then they get snow Buddy, how the hell you're gonna
feel any sympathy for them? Crazy? And that's why when
I see the sisters saying, well, I don't care, let
them destroy them. I understand where the sistance is coming from,
but I don't go that far. See the reason I
got to stand with Shannon Sharp, even though he's a

(20:24):
bunny hopper, is because I have to look at the
greater issue here. In the greater issue here, we can't
make it easy for white women to fabricate charges against
black men because the day will be Shanning Sharp tomorrow,
it'll be you. You see what I'm saying, So I
gotta take it seriously because I know how this goes.
People say, why you defending Puffy. I'm not defending Puffy.

(20:45):
If Puffy's sexually trafficked people, Puffy should go to jail.
All I'm saying is I ain't see no evidence of it.
I ain't see no evidence of it. And this whole
trial so far has been nothing but a narrative about
freak golfs. I ain't see no RICO evidence.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I ain't seen on interstate prostitution evidence, and I ain't
seen on interstate sex trafficking evidence.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
That's what the FED indictment is on.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
The FED indictment is not about kicking Cassie in the hallway,
although that was wrong and he should have never done it.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
This case has nothing to do with Cassie, but she's
the star witness.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
How in the hell is the star witness somebody who
has nothing to do with the case.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Your deeptailing, freak off, your deeptailing who was here? Which
has me thinking, Loan, I don't know if this is
so much about puff as it is about exposing his
inner circle. Meaning all y'all doing is exposing who was involved.
You see what I'm saying. I ain't seeing no evidence
in no crime. But so freak off is not illegal.

(21:44):
It's okay to be a freak in America. Most of
them celebrities are Look what you have Finna did. This
is what they do in them secret societies. Show me
evidence of a crime. Every day in court has been
a narrative on a freak off session that's not against
the law. Show me evidence of federal crime.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
There's something to be said about these black men's sexual appetite, though,
and it's leading to disaster when we talk about possession,
demonic possession happening, like even with Shannon. That's why I'm
wondering how much of it is him craving this experience that.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
I'm disappointed in Shan. First of all, I'm disappointed in
any black man who will let a white woman allegedly
call you out your name for the purposes of sexual pleasure.
Do you know what she must think about you as
a human being? Think about that for a minute long.
You're letting me do this to you, after what you

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Any black man who engages in racial sex play with
a woman of any other race is letting that woman
know I have no self respect at all. It's one
thing to date them, it's one thing to marry them.
It's something else to give them a But no, I'm
gonna let you treat me like a slave in your
bedroom and call me out of my name? Is this

(23:06):
for the purposes of sexual demonic possession? Is it akin to?

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Also in sexual relationships, you'll have women who might not
necessarily let you call them a bitch. But excuse my language,
but when you are in the bedroom, you may can
get the bitch off, that's my bitch, or you know,
little things like that.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
What do you say? But if you're saying that's you
with your queen righty thing? Else we're talking about two
different race groups, where one is a member of a
group that has historically systemically and extensively exploited in the
humanized the other. Do you understand, So this is't just imagin.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Are invoking the historical pain of your ancestors. You are
invoking the historical pain of your ancestors loom for the
benefit of a white woman's sexual pleasure.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, brother, that's a little yeah, that's that
is deep sin. And I believe that a lot of
these black male celebrities, and a lot of black men
in general are under demonic possession, brother, because one of
the best ways that the forces of evil invade your
space and in your life is through sex. Because when

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you're having sex, the shield that all God is down,
the shield that generally protects your soul, it's down. That
deal is torn off. So whatever you are doing in
the bedroom is going to have a converbative effect on
the way you think feeling behaved. And so when I
listen to what they say Puffy was doing and urinating
and Cassie, why are you doing all this? I'm gonna

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be honest with you. I believe in Seawan Comb's and
like I said, I'm standing with him until proven guilty.
But I believe in the case of Seawan Combs, when
I listen to the sex acts that took place at
these freak offs for him, for Cassie, I'm gonna go
with Shannon Sharp with the sex play right slave plantation play.

(25:07):
These men experienced deep, profound emotional wounds as children. Puffy's
sex addiction, Cassie's sex addiction, Shannon Sharp's slave plantation role
play addiction. These are addictions that developed because they use

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sex as their outlet to deal with their unaddressed psychological wounds.
Do you feel me if I was able to get
Puffy on that couch alone for two hours, me and Puff,
I promise you I could find out what the real
problem is that you're trying to drown out with your
sex off, with your freak offs. The Freakoffs loom are

(25:53):
an escape from reality. Shannon Sharp sexual role play with
Gabrielle Issu Ninja's that's a escape from your psychological pain.
Anytime you see people engaging in extreme, repeated sexual behavior,
this is a drug, This is a sedative.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
This is my estate. Absolutely, Puffy and what are you
running from, Cassie? What are you running from? Shannon Sharp,
what are you running from? I personally believe with my
brother Shannon Shark. No disrespect to him because I think
he's a good guy. I think Shannon is fundamentally a
good guy. I don't get bad energy from him. He
hate himself though.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Shannon needs some deep seated racial healing therapy, bro, because
you already said the black girls called you ugly, and
then you turn around and let the white girl treat
you like a ninja. Goodness, low self esteem. Money can't
fix that. Yeah, nah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
When we're dealing with Diddy, in particular, for people who
are unaware, you have to be living under rock.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Diddy is on trial for a RICO and several other
charges in the state sex trafficking, interstate prostitution in the States,
the Man Act in particular. Yeah, I know about that
because they created that Jack Johnson. They created for Jack
Johnson because he openly paraded around white women. Right, this
is in the nineteen twenties, this is Garvey time. You

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ain't even have no civil rights. And this black guy,
and by the way, I think they killed him. Remember
he died in a car accident, tragic car accident. I
think they cut his break line back then, I think
like that. I think Jack Johnson was murdered, but he
prayed around with these white women. So the fans came
up with the Man Act, which was also called the
White Slaves White Slavers Sex Trafficking Act. If you take

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a woman across state lines right to have sex, that
could be considered interstate prostitution. That let me tell you
how they change in the game with puff. This is
important for every black man in America. You mean because
we know women across state lines? Do we not pay
attention to this puff trial? Because what I think they're
trying to do with the Man Act now is I

(27:59):
think they are trying to create a new precedent in law.
Yes we're diddyes, but it's gonna affect us all where
if a woman flies in to see you, lou.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
This is lady friend, ain't paying for no seconds and
we're getting to know what y'all, this is regular romance.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
If she crossed state lines, you can be charged with
the Man Act. Do you know how many black men
would go to jail because they're not gonna use it
on white men. They're not gonna use it on yellow man.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
And it's about when the law has always been selectively applied.
To imagine how many black men could be brought up
on charges if a woman ever flew in from another.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
State to spend time every day everybody. But they're trying
to set it up, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
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when the law has always been selectively applied. To imagine
how many black men could be brought up on charges
if a woman ever flew in from another.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
State to spend time every day everybody, But they trying
to set it.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Up, That's what I'm saying. And they have to say
precedent with Diddy, so if they can blur the lines.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
And guess what else they got to say to your
point with the president, we need black people to co
sign it, right, Listen to all the black women who's
saying he needs to suffer Black men, who's saying he
needs to suffer If you let them convict Puff on
the Man Act with no evidence of forced sex trafficking

(30:43):
or activity, where you basically say, convict him just because
somebody crossed state lines to have a freak off, all
of us can end up with federal charges. What do
you say to Cassie's testimony?

Speaker 2 (30:53):
What's your thoughts on how Cassie has handled herself some
of the allegations she's made.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Did she I believe to you?

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Or how do you feel about I didn't watch, but
I read the report. I can't watch right.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
I believe she was as much a freak as Puff was,
if not more. If not more, anybody who wants to
claim that she was purely a victim is in denial.
If Loom, there's no way. I don't care how much grooming.
You're not a child, you're a grown woman. And you

(31:29):
mix race on top of that, so you got a
white parent, There's no way you're doing all of this
if you don't want to do.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
You think that from a psychologists standpoint, not for a
woman with a white parent. What about this Stockholm syndrome
thing that people are trying to.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Know that's very real. I believe that all of that
bears some truth in this case, but cannot be completely
explained by it. Here's the problem I had with the
cast see the supporters right, and I empathize with the
sister as well because Puffy did take advantage of her.
The problem I'm having, Loan is I'm seeing people go

(32:09):
out of their way and make excuses for her because
she's not an all black woman. If Cassie wasn't light
skin and mixed race, do you really think she would
be getting this type of sympathy from the Black community
or the America at all. No, it's because she was
mixed race that people are coming to an eight. If
this was Lizzo in this case, you feel me, she

(32:31):
wouldn't get half the sympathy. She would be called a
gold digger. And if you didn't want to be there,
you could have left. You feel me, Yes, I didn't
think about that. Black women don't get Black women that
type of support. This is only happening because Cassie is
mixed race. Yes, and there's a lot of people who
are so.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
From a psychology standpoint, can you explain even what Stockholm
syndrome means to the people.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Stockholm syndrome is when someone grooms you dominates, destroys you
to the point where they eliminate any imagination or memory
of you being independent or wanting independence. You start to
depend on them, You start to rely on them. They
become your world, and you start to believe that you

(33:15):
cannot exist without them, despite the fact that they are
punishing you, manipulating you, and putting your life in danger.
Our enslavement in America, post traumatic slavery disease is a
form of Stockholm syndrome. It's the most pronounced form, but
it's a form of Stockholm syndrome, so it's basically brainwash.

(33:38):
Cut you off from the world what any domestically abusive
man does. I'm a cutter off from her family. I'm
a cutter off from her friends. I'm a cut off
from a church, her social network, and I'm going to
remake her world because the brain is what the victim
of repetition. I don't care how intelligence you are. The
brain is not conditioned on intelligence, Loan. This is why

(34:00):
you say why some of our greatest black scholars had
white wives. I'm talking about African centered scholars. Shake into joke.
The black man who proved that the mummies in Egypt
was black had a white wife. You know why, because
intellectual knowledge is one thing. Deep seated unconscious conditioning is

(34:20):
something else. Stockholm syndrome is deep seated unconscious conditioning. What
did Adolf Hitler say? Adolf Hitler said, And I'm no
fan of Hitler because he not only killed Jews, he
killed Africans too. And I got an issue with the
European Jews who never highlight the Africans who were murdered
with them in the concentration camps, and don't even highlight
the Africans who delivered them from the concentration camps. It

(34:42):
was black soldiers in World War two loom, they had
the yes, yes, and you don't see them honored in
no Holocaust museum. And they never talk about the fact
that they participated in our slavery. Who ensured the slave ships,
who built the ships, who put the insurance, It was
them European Jews, and nobody ever talks about that. So

(35:03):
you want the world to hurt for you, no problem,
But what about the hurt you caused us? But getting
back to this point brainwash, Adolf Hitler said, if you
want to control people, it's not difficult. He said, come
up with a lie, make the lie big loan, the

(35:24):
lie gotta be supreme, and just keep telling it over
and over again. The human mind cannot regnore ignore what
it is constantly told to believe, even if it's not true.
And who was Adolf Hitler's propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels a psychologist?

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Do you see Stockholm syndrome in Cassie's explanation of events?

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I see some of it, but I do think she's
exploiting a lot of it. So that's what I don't understand.
Here's the thing. Cassie willingly subjected herself to Sean Combs
because she wanted access to the fame exactly. There is
no getting around it was their manipulation. Yes, I'll even

(36:12):
give you a fifty to fifty split if you want loan.
But anybody who tries to tell me, doctor Umar Cassie's
experience with Sean Puffy combs was one hundred percent outside
of her realm of control and exclusively due to his
manipulation and brainwash. Hell no, you get no vote from
me because you get no vote from him.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
I always say to myself, because even now, like I said,
I'm in the day marketing, you meet women.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
You say, all right, I gotta be careful, Like you say, oh.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
You better be careful now, Yeah, it's very careful. It
is open season on black men. Notice you don't see
the same thing with white men. You get you a
Harvey Weinstein every once in a while, but you don't
see nothing like this, right because it's not alone and
you're not going Even if you see a Harvey Weinstein,
you won't even see the parent, nor.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
You're following that we have seeing Diddy going through that.
He understand right now. He might go on right, well,
right now if you're a black man, because I'm looking
at this and I'm political, and I'm like, you know what,
you almost gotta have an NDA anytime you go on
a date. You follow what I'm saying, So bad man,
you cannot get into any kind of an argument because

(37:19):
she can very easily lie and either say she felt
threatened or she can just say you put hands on her.
Look what Lil Wayne's situation, right, And of course he
was buddy hopping right, had no business doing that coolish behavior.
But she said he put her out, and then she
also accused him of putting hands on her and asked
for a lawyer. Right, listen, no evidence for black men.

(37:42):
You don't need evidence. All you have to do is
make the accusation. So you got to be careful now
because it is popular now to destroy black men on
false allegations of sex abuse. However, I still don't see
black women getting away with it the way white women are.
You follow what I'm saying. They have a privilege our
sisters do not have. Lil Wayne, he was bunny hopping.

(38:04):
He might got to pay up. All these black men
dating outside the race. They gotta start rethinking in that
long right. And here's another thing, right, So it's like.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
You sit back and you say these because women know
we're attractive, successful men with them.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
And so they have. Women are drawing the power any woman,
and that's natural and so, but you have to make
sure she don't want you just for the power. Right.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
But when they come in, because listening to Ditty, I
can only imagine Diddy sitting there like and Cassie's on
standing and it's like, this is the girl who was
telling me to come freak on on. She was telling
me to come peeing on my and then flipped it
and then flipped it. So it's like at what point?
And then she's up there saying I lost all autonomy.
I didn't know what I was doing. I was just
moving on his behalf.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
But at one point, is it cohersion? And then or
versus you lied about what you're into. Yes, that has
to be a line. It's a very fine line.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
But you misrepresent what you're into to get next to
me and then say I progress true that.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
But here's the overall message. Here's the overall message, Loan,
as black men, we need to in order to survive America.
You're gonna have to be sexually disciplined. You follow what
I'm saying. There is no more one night stance. Now,
if you got something to lose, I'm saying, there is

(39:28):
no one night stance. There is no way, Bam. Thank you, ma'am.
Anytime you allow a woman into your personal space, you
have just empowered her to disgrace your name and destroy
true or false. You understand, you see that. That's where
we are. But I'm gonna look at it from a
positive thing. Not that this is good, but what it

(39:50):
says to me is you were not sent here by
the most high to exploit the vaginas of women. Black
woman's vagina is a sacred space. That is the canal
from which God sends new life. You are to protect it,
you are to honor it, you are to reverence it,

(40:12):
and you must respect it. The message in this Sean
Combs thing, the message in all of this, Shannon Sharp,
get your sex life in alignment with your spiritual life,
and get your spiritual life in alignment with the Almighty. Yes, yes,
you're being brought down illegally, falsely, and unjustifiably. That's part true.

(40:35):
But now let's look at divine justice. Shannon Sharp is
innocent of criminal justice. I believe Puffy Combs is innocent
of criminal justice. I think they're both guilty of divine justice.
You are not supposed to be sexually exploiting women for
your personal pleasure. Get your life in order. That's what
is telling me.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Fact, you cannot use the black woman as a plaything.
Not only that, you're not supposed to use any woman
as a plaything. This is a message from our ancestors
saying we're not happy with the way y'all been treating
our daughters.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Do them right, or leave them the hell alone.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
That is a powerful, profound point that to me makes
so much sense. Yes, so you say, man, like you,
Like you said, the universe is still speaking. The universe
is still speaking, like Yo, Man. The universe and an
African culture we have a singing.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
I embrace the positive and negative aspects of everything I
experience in life because the good and the bad collaborate
in helping me achieve my destinies. So in African culture,
we believe you go through good and through bad. You
can't have one without the other because it's the only

(41:51):
way we birth your destiny.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
So even though they're criminally innocent, both men are spiritually
guilty and that then you gotta pay for that.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
You gotta pay for now. Karma ain't nothing to play
with man with Diddy's trial.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
So, in your opinion, they are not proving the allegations
of the charges presented.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Not yet. Now. Some people are saying that the prosecution
is slow walking this thing. Some people are saying that
the prosecution is starting out with Cassie and the freak
offs to disparage his character. First established that that he's
a creep, and then we're going to hit him with
the evidence of Rico and interstates. So what a prostitution

(42:33):
about Rico?

Speaker 2 (42:35):
This is what I'm saying it's all blurry man because
it's his assistant. He's using his bodyguards.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
This is what rich men do. That's what Richmond gonna
move around with. I'm gonna tell you, but I'm gonna
tell you something. I don't think Puff used his organization
as much as they would have liked him to do.
You follow what I'm saying. From what I'm seeing, it
was him, yes, and his freak off mates. You see

(43:02):
what I'm saying. He wasn't using the secretary, and you
follow what it was a select team, which I think
is going to sav ing. He didn't use the whole
bad boy to do this because a lot of this
happened off bad boy time. Let's go back. The reason
why they're having such a start a hard time proving
his case is he got locked up on frivolous reasons

(43:24):
in the first place. Puffy is going through this because
he sued theag YO. Puffy sued and started his own
political party, and they needed to make sure that he
couldn't influence the twenty twenty four election, and so he
had to be in jail. Puffy had to be taken
off the streets during election season because he started that
Black Party, and either Democrats or Republicans knew where he

(43:47):
stood and they couldn't afford to let him influence the outcome,
and they had to pay him back for suing diag Yo,
So he wasn't locked up for this anyway. These charges
were fabricated to make the case stick. What about Kid
Cutting testifying? What did he say?

Speaker 2 (44:01):
He said he had testified to Diddy blowing his car up.
He said he came home one day and his dog
was in the bathroom. Some kind of way Diddy got
in his house, locked his dog in the bathroom. According
a kid Cutting fed him some kind of additive that
killed this dog later, not then, but he got gradually, yeah,

(44:23):
gradually killed his dog and moved the cameras around, and
there was this big back and forth with him and Cassie.
But my thing is, on one end they paint Diddy,
and of course we don't defend Diddy, we're dealing with
the information. Yes, one end, they say Diddy's this violent
guy who's willing to kill about Cassie and kill everything

(44:43):
about you know, harboring whatever is going on.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
And then on the other end, she runs off with
kid Cutty and the car blows up allegedly, according to them,
and he does that.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
So what they're basically saying is Kid Cutty said he
asked Diddy about his car. He said he wanted to
wait till he got in his face, and he said
Diddy was standing there like a blade or something, a
black super villain. He said this in court, said when
he got up on him and he shook his hand
and said, man, what about my car? And Diddy said,

(45:17):
I don't know what you're talking about, playboy, And that
was the end of the interaction. But basically, Kid Cutting
and Diddy had a checkered pass due to his involvement
with Cassie. But Kid Cutting, in his words, was scared
of Diddy. Diddy had him terrified and would hurt people.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
So a lot of people were just understandable. But how
do you prove it was Diddy? It was here saved.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
I didn't even understand how it was allowed on the
stand when it was all here saved because they don't
have nothing. They don't have nothing.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Let they let him get up there and basically say,
I was told that did he blew the car? No
one was charged, No one knew, and it's on a trial.
Police investigation on a federal I don't think they have nothing, brother,
I don't think they have nothing. I believe that this
was punishment. And what do they do is they like

(46:09):
to exhaust your wealth. They know how much you make,
because we ain't got no black banks, right, they exhaust
your wealth or not many black banks. They exhaust your
wealth enough to break you.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Do you think that they they're coming for a fortune,
of course, and that's why they want to tie in
the bad boys ship and the like you did.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
I wonder how much his lawyers are making. They knocking
dust from him? Do you feel me? And what percentage
of his estate is being drained by this case? You
see them? Don't get me wrong. You know what I
think they want to do. They want to liquidate his
assets to the point where they have to force them
to sell his masters and it's publishing. Do you think

(46:48):
they're going to try to come get it? Because if
they alleged that you.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
That you're masters and your publisher us with it earned
as part of Eureco, which means they automatically fall, we
can sell them at auction to it. This is what
I think they're trying to do, because it feels like
you're tying in the organization.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
It makes perfect sense.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, it's like, what is that when he would force
him forfeit his master's bad boy.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
He's the liquor company everything.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
And so even if we get two years out of him,
three years, we see him get to get all of
that with the No matter.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
How much time that you know what I'm saying, we
could give him a day because if we able to
take his assets, we win, we win. He can go home. Now,
that's what I'm saying. You see what I'm saying. That
time already served. That's what I'm saying. But even with
that loom, that's dangerous for other black men. Yes, you
feel all we have to do. And this is why

(47:53):
black people need to stop trying to throw Puffy under
the bus. This is not about Puffy, It's about us.
What do we know about this plantation When they whipped
the slave in front of the others, It was never
about ling slave. It's about the rest of y'all. If
you let them convict puff on Rico with the scantiest
of evidence and allowed them to take this man hold

(48:14):
of State publishing and masters, they can do that.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
To anybody they filled. I'm almost certain they're coming for that.
I'm almost I'm almost certain.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
It makes sense because look at why they killed Michael
Jackson because he wouldn't give up the publishing the Masters,
the Beatles and Elvis. He did would and he was
trying to buy more of yeh. He was aggressively and
so they hit him with the child molestation when he
tried to buy Marvel Comics. Imagine if Michael Jackson would
have executive produced Black Panther, oh Man next level. Mike

(48:46):
was the one thing about Mike and Prince Man it's
so interesting because they were somewhat effeminate in their public presentation.
They were gangsters in the business. Run Bro, There's no
rapper more gangster than Michael Jackson when it came in
the business period. There's no rapper more gangster than Prince
when it comes to business, Brom.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
I remember, and it was back when we have technology
to even enforce any move. Yeah, so you had to
remember when Eminem disrespected Michael Jackson over the allegations of
sex abearse I believe this, Mike went and bought his publishing.
Michael Jackson bought Eminem's publishing, prow A's d That's deed.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
But that's deep. But here's the problem though, Mike and
Prince should have been collaborators instead of competitors. Do you
feel me? Had they worked together, loomed, they might still
be here. You can't beat white supremacy alone. Prince was
fighting solo, Mike was fighting solo. Whitney Houston fighting solo.

(49:53):
You see that.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
You gotta have a team. It takes armies to defeat armies. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
that's pretty. That's damn good, damn wow. Tell you something
Puff should have done.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
If I'm a multi billionaire mogul, especially if I'm know
I'm doing some evil shit. Bad boy is what twenty
years old going on? You were The first thing Puff
should have done. He should have found the ten smartest
kids in Harlem and pay for all of them to
go to law school with a contract that when you graduate,

(50:26):
you work for bad Boy. See we gotta start you. Yeah,
we don't think right? What the money is?

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Man?

Speaker 1 (50:33):
And the reason why why does the problem with us
a loan Black men, in particular black women too, but
especially us. Our egos have been so destroyed and cashtrated.
We have the most bruised the ego in America, And
because of that, we're constantly seeking violidation. Yes, why do
we date white women validation? Why do we go to

(50:56):
the PWY over to HBCU validation? Why do we move
into the white suburb instead of standing in the ghetto
where you ain't have to pay half the property tax validation?
Why do we have to wear the most expensive clothes
that they make validation? Why do black people own more
Mercedes than whites?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
We own more mercean whites make less, and you ain't
got a third of.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
The weelth validation. So until the black man conquers his
need for external validation, our egos will always be used
against THEFF. I fight against mine because it's there.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
You have to, Yeah, I have to fight it, like nah,
Like I was just telling him, all I have to
be an example now because I'm moving out pass towards yes,
the water mall, and you have to.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Start thinking about legacy.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
And so for me, it's like a lot of the
friends that I have and a lot of the people
that I know in our culture, they kind of get
stuck at there at an age and it's like a
twenty something year old age in their dressing, in their.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Approach to life and just everything.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
And I want to start to wear suits and I
want to go casual and start to like be intentional
with my presentation.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Understood, you know what I'm saying, And I want that
to be loud and want young people to know, like
more mature. Yeah, let's go more mature with this thing.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Man.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
So because sometimes I'm in these sentences and I ain't
handled like the CEO that I that I truly am, And.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
I'm trying to figure out because your presentation that can
cause hesitation. The wrong presentation can can cause hesitation. I
be Sometimes I be in a room, I'm like, yo,
you do know I'm CEO.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Of a company signed with our heart, one of the
biggest companies, one of the biggest platforms in the world,
Like you do understand.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
The wrong sometimes hesitation because of the presentation. Yes, And
that's on me for the for the most part, because
I do want to because remember this society values image
over integrity, right, you understand me? Yes, you could have
the most integrity in the room, But I'm the one
who looks like I do you see that we are

(53:09):
a sensory driven society. What's inside you? We don't even care, right,
it's all about how you present it. Yes, I want I.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Want to ask you about this too. Digital segregation by crowdfunding. Okay,
I was doing some research because there was a conversation
happening online.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
To me, it was very alarming.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
It was it was in reference to Rodney Hilton Junior,
which is the grieving black father whose son Ryan was
shot dead this crowdfunding.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Yes they did.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Rodney saw that bodycam footage and snapped tragically running over
Deputy Larry Henderson. The immediate public response was outraged. Every
crowdfunding page trying to raise Rodney's defense money got immediately
shut down. He barely reached seven thousand dollars before the
platform removed everything under pressure from law enforcement.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
But watch this, Luigi Maloney, which is I remember that's
a white.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
US assassinating the US health kiss gunned down the company
CEO and broad Daylight and all of his goal fun
me type campaigns sword to over a million dollars. He
even has merchandise with his face on it and it's
selling online. And if that's not enough, the white woman
also was on camera, yeah, screaming at the seven year

(54:37):
old black boy on the playground. She made a million
dollars in gofund me. I want to speak to the
digital segregation that happens in crowdfunding and where did it start?
Because I also hit his term floating around of black fatigue.
I don't know if you've heard that lately. Well, white
people are are starting to say we're tired of hearing
black people complain and kind of outline and point out

(55:02):
some of the things that they've been clarifying.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Okay, the black fatigue is white people being fatigued about
black completetions or is it black people being fatigued from
dealing with racism? I don't know. I'm asking.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
My understanding is white people are using the term black
fatigue as to say we're tired, so white plain suffering
black fatigue.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yes, I was the other one. I know, we're tired of.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
You complaining about right right right right, right, right right right,
and so I want to kind of speak to all
of that and we could take it however you want. Okay, Okay,
I'm gonna go with the fatigue on both definitions.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
You feel me. First of all three primary rules of racism,
all white people are racists, and they do not share
power with black people. They do not share what power?

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Crowdfunding is a form of what economic empowerment?

Speaker 1 (56:02):
How dare you negroes? Whether Carmelo Anthony was right or
wrong don't matter to them, Whether Rodney Hinton was right
or wrong, don't matter to them. Why do you think
you can come to white people and use our platform

(56:22):
to empower yourself. The Frederick Douglass and Marcus Gonavie Academy
loom we was a go fund me platform. They shut
us down without a reason. Why Because I am not
gonna help you build some independent black school that you're
gonna use to liberate and emancipate black minds so they

(56:44):
could compete with us for power over this society? Are
you crazy?

Speaker 2 (56:48):
The question loom isn't whether or not there is crowdfunding discrimination.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Of course it is. But you know what the bigger
question is, after four hundred years, after four hundred and
six years, why you still expecting white people to help
you empower yourself against them. Equality is a sin. Equality

(57:15):
is a sin. Equality eliminates white privilege. America is built
on white privilege. So I'm not surprised at all. And
I want to say this for the people who felt
like Rodney Hinton was wrong and running over the quote

(57:38):
unquote innocent officer. Some people, Negroes included, are saying this
would have only been justice if Rodney Hinton would have
unalived the officer who unalived his son. I completely disagree.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
You know why, Rodney Hinton was not at war with
a single officer. Rodney Hinton was at war with a
corrupt police system.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
His son was not alived by a single officer. It
might have been a single officer that fired to kill shot.
His son was unalive by a corrupt police department with
a history of murdering black people without accountability. So we
are fighting institutions and systems, not individuals.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
And also, what I find interesting is is America gets
this amnesia that if you strike one eyes, I've heard
America come out and say, somebody else gonna raise your
children for doing what you've done.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
So they don't get what they did as a result
of the fabricated accusations of nine eleven. That's what I'm
saying they went when America bombs, America never targets the military,
They target civilians. Do you know how much blood is

(59:13):
on the hands of America for murdering innocent women and
children in other countries, and you got the audacity to
say that he should have found the exact officer. I'm
not happy about the loss of life and if the
man was a half decent person, with condolences to the family.
But we not fighting individuals. We are fighting systems and

(59:34):
when and here's the thing, it don't matter what cop
would have chased his son, he was going to get
shot because that's their policy in dealing with black men.
So he was not wrong in what he did. And
I'll tell you this with Rodney Hinton, with Carmelo Anthony,
they have shifted the conversation. Their courage has shifted the conversation.

(59:59):
What do I mean a black father takes it upon
himself to unlive an officer after having his son unlived,
We're not used to that. A young black boy takes
it upon himself to defend his life from two racist
twins who are trying to brutalize him. We're not used

(01:00:21):
to that. And the reason we're not used to that,
loon is for four hundred and six years, white America
has always had absolute jurisdiction over the black body. You
see this sometimes when you out and about living your life,
sometimes you have to tell white people, I need you
to back up, I need you to get off my porch,
I need you to take your hands off my child.

(01:00:43):
White people don't have boundaries with us because for the
first two hundred and forty six years of this four
hundred and six they owned us. So we have to
re establish safe space with them. Rodney Hinton did that.
Carmelo Infony did that, guess what, Just like with Emmettil,
just like with Malcolm, just like with any of our martyrs.

(01:01:05):
Not to put them on that level, but yet and
still it's the same type of a situation. Now, when
white kids go to bully a black child, you better
think twice. Now when a police officer in Cincinnati goes
to unliva black kid, you sure he ain't got no father? Right,
Because Rodney Hinton just put a new idea into the
universe on how to deal with police brutality. And as

(01:01:25):
much as people want to denigrate it, all behavior, I'm
a psychologist, will train this loop. All behavior is a
function of its consequences.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Everything. How do you train your dog consequences? How do
you train your employees? Consequences?

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Rodney Hinton just show you you want the police to
stop killing your children until they feel pain. You will
never stop feeling pain. And you've always said that at
some point blood may have to be shit. Let me
ask you a question, what have we ever gotten an
American society that we did not bleed for? We bled

(01:02:05):
for freedom, We bled for the Civil Rights Act, we
bled for the Civil Rights Bill, we bled in black power.
Everything else is an illusion. They say, no Congress passed
the Thirteenth Amendments, that was celebratory in symbolic. We had
already bled. That's just them trying to reassert their control

(01:02:28):
over the narrative. Abraham Lincoln didn't free us. We freedom.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Read the white generals in the Civil War said, if
it wasn't for the Negro America, we do countries today,
a Union and Confederacy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
And if we could redo history, loan one of the
things I wish we would have redone When Roberty Lisa
rendered to Ulysses S. Grant at the Appomatics Courthouse in Virginia.
I think that was April fourth, eighteen sixty five, right.
I wish black men would have said, you know what,

(01:03:04):
if we can beat the Confederacy for Abraham Lincoln, maybe,
just maybe we can beat Abraham Lincoln too, Loom what
if we would have said, you know what, we not done.
We took the South, let's take the North. Yet. Imagine
if we would have done it. I don't know if
we would have won or not, but history was on

(01:03:25):
our side. If we can shut down the Southern states,
why couldn't we shut down the South? Sometimes? Brother, we
don't believe in ourselves enough. You feel me. Sometimes we
don't believe in ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
But it's crazy because they'll on one end say how.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Dysfunctional we are and how disillusion we are.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
And then they won't point to the facts that but
we had to go in there and fight that fight
that y'all didn't have the ability to fight.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
We wrestle it down for a reason. America America, not
just with the Civil War. Brother, So let's go before
the Civil War. Let's go to the Louisiana purchase. Do
you know that this country is three times the size
it was because the Haitian Revolution with the Silo overture
on John Jacques Dessolin's and Christoph and Petian and Siecil Fati.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Man and Bookmon and Makandal when they destroyed Napoleon's army,
a slave army, distreeted, defeated the greatest general the white
man ever had. An army of slaves defeated the greatest
general the white man ever had. And because the Haitian
Revolution bankrupted Napoleon, he sold his American territories to America

(01:04:38):
for pennies on the die.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Remember that the Louisiana purchase loan quadruple the size of
the United States of America.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
So when I tell you America wouldn't be America with
our black people, America wouldn't be America with the fact.
Now back to the crowdfunded thing. Who started? In your opinion, HM,
where did this start? As it pertains to when when
what what? As it pertains to, what could be considered

(01:05:08):
as a heinous act takes place. Didn't the racist or
the people on one side of or another throws their
financial mc behind something to try to take a stand.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
I think it was Michael Brown and Ferguson or Zimmerman.
Was their crowdfunding for Zimmerman. I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
That's where it started. Mike Brown popularized it because with
the Mike Brown case, you had an officer who unlived
an unarmed.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Child and they left his body in the street for hours.
And the evidence in the Michael Brown case because there
were witnesses. Remember with Tray Vn.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
I don't think we had any witness Michael Brown, you
had witnessed, so it was obvious that this was an execution, yes,
And so when black people saw white people rush to
the defense of the white officer with obvious evidence in
eye witness testimony that he unallowed that young man unnecessarily,

(01:06:20):
that's when crowdfunding really became what it became. And I
think crowdfunding helped black people to see how racist white
people liked.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
The American racial identity crept right into crowd And do
you know why it's the same thing with social media
or Twitter.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Or voting and all of this, right, because well, but
it's just it's just overt in the money.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Because why I'm able to be racist, but you don't
necessarily see who I am. Do you feel me when
I go into the booth to vote against reparations, I
can be racist, but you don't know how I voted.
When I donate one thousand dollars to these police, tell us,
I can be racist, but you never see my face.

(01:07:03):
Whenever white people are able to manifest. When white people
are able to manifest their racism and not be seen,
you really see who they are because he's clearly. Look
at Shiloh Hendricks. She caught a five year old disabled
child the in word for going in a bag. White

(01:07:26):
kids going bags too. You feel me. It was an
innocent kid. He don't know nothing about no thief. He
of autism and guess what white folks said, what we
don't care? And if it's one thing black people need
to understand, loom and I think it's one of the
benefits of the Trump administration. Although I don't support him
or his administration, Donald Trump is making it popular to

(01:07:52):
be publicly racist again. You feel me, You feel like
he making it popular. He said, We're gonna take Harriet
Tubbing off the website. Man, they doing some shit, man, bro.
We're gonna take Mega Evers off the National Military Cemetery website.
We're gonna go into the Smithsonian National African American Museum

(01:08:14):
and anything in there that shows how brutally racist America
was the blacks. We're taking it out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
All the Civil War statues that y'all took down back
in the twenty fifteen Charston killing of Dylan Ruth when
he murdered the Charston nine. Yes, we're putting them statues
back up South African refugees. If you don't like the
fact that the blacks and South Africa taking the land
that your ancestors stole from them, you could come over

(01:08:43):
and be a refugee. Donald Trump has made it safe
to be a bigot. Did you see the executive order
he signed on the police, Donald trummunity. It's not the
word immunity, It's called a un leashing America's law. And
for unleashing, he's basically saying, go get active. You can

(01:09:07):
basically what he's saying, you can kill blacks and you
do not have to worry about being held accountable. But
with that being said, though Loom as a historian, a
part of me is saying, we gotta embrace this. Now.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Some black people say, what the hell doctor Umar talking about? Embrace?
How we being dehumanized and push? You know why you
gotta embrace it? Because it is these types of conditions.
Do you feel me atmosphere? Thank you? What did I
say earlier? Everything in the universe is created from positive
and negative force? You see that we fought again slavery.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Because we had no choice. We fought for civil rights,
we had no choice. The racism became so intense.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
That we got to a point loom where we said,
you know what, we might die anyway, so we might
as well stand up and fight. That's what's happening right now.
America is eliminating all the conveniences it has given to
black people in this society, and we're now getting to
a point loom where it's like, what am I living for?
And when people get desperate, they become courageous. This is

(01:10:17):
exactly the type of atmosphere you need. It is this
that gave birth to a Marcus Golfey, It is this
that gave birth to a Frederick Douglas. It is this
that gave birth to a human Newton. It is this
that gave birth to an h Rap Brown. It is
this that gave birth to the freedom riders in the
city movements. You understand me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
So this is exactly what you need for black people
to get up off they ask and struggle. What the
Frederick Douglas said, If there is no struggle, there is
no progress. Do you think what's your feelings on him?
Rolling back the DEI stuff it didn't benefit us at all.
D I never benefited black.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Four percent of DEI hires were black four per So
my question to you, homosexuals, white women, non black immigrants,
do you feel me physically handicapped non blacks? Remember, minority
is everything except white male. Let me give you an example.

(01:11:22):
Much respect to Pastor Jamal Bryant, much respect to Reverend Sharpton.
As you know, they had a boycott of Target. Nothing
was wrong with that because Target needed to know you
don't mistreat black people. Still get our money, and as
a result of that boycott, Target has lost hundreds of
millions of dollars day on a day on life. Right,

(01:11:49):
So the reactionary intervention by Pastor Bryant and Reverend Sharpton,
I support it. Target need to be taught a lesson
my destructive criticism because I respect them, my constructive criticism
for both gentlemen. You gave us the reactionary that's the boycott,

(01:12:09):
But now you got to do something proactionary that benefits
black people. Yes, where is that Taking our people from
Target to Costco is not a win because you're taking
them from Target who exploited that black dollar, and you
now give them to another corporation that's going to exploit
that black dollar. Right, yes, yes, what they should have done,

(01:12:31):
and this is why black leadership gets criticized. What they
should have done with their influence is they should have
created a mega mart for the black community. Our Sharpton
has the following. Pastor Jamal Bryant has the following. Why

(01:12:51):
not come together and give our people a black alternative?
Why are we leaving our people choosing between two white alternatives,
neither of which really gives a damn?

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
So we broke target, no problem. I stand with you.
But now we're gonna go in enrich Costco. What are
they doing so great that they deserved a black dollar?
Not much at all. Where is the black alternative? And
this is why loom people criticize black leadership because we're
always good on the boycotting, we're always good on the protesting,

(01:13:25):
we're always good on the embargos. But when it comes
time to take that energy and turn it into something
constructive and progressive for black people, you never see any solutions.
I give you another one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
After every police underliving of a defenseless black person, we
had a what riot. Yes, we tore down the institutions
that supported police genocide. Right, that's good. But after we
tore down them institutions, did we come back into our
community and build anything for the people. Pastor Briant and

(01:14:02):
Reverend Sharpton need to build something for the people and
not just redirect our dollar from one white corporation to
the next. I like what they did, but that was reactionary, necessary,
but it was reactionary. Where are their proactive solutions? Institutions
are half of the solution for you cooking today? That's

(01:14:25):
a damn good point because that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Speaking of him Trump taking some of these statues that
I've also seen a black statue of a black woman,
they said in Times Times.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
I saw the statue. Some people think it's harmless. I don't,
and I'm gonna tell you why. Symbolic artwork is usually
focused on representing the best of a people. Are you
following me? If we had a museum with multiple pieces

(01:15:05):
of black art that was on display, then that statue
won't be a problem. You want to know why it's
one of many pieces. But for you to put what
I believe is the first ever statue of a black
woman in Tom Square, why wasn't it of a black
female celebrity. Why wasn't it of a black woman caring

(01:15:29):
for her children. Why wasn't it a black woman with
her king supporting her. Why wasn't it of a black
inventor female? We had many.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Why wasn't it of a black doctor, black engineer, black
business owner?

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Why was it of a single black woman? Was her
hand on her hips? I don't even remember single black woman.
Look it up real quick, see if the hand look
up that picture was the hands on the hips. She
was not proferred dressed. She was extremely casual, slightly overweight,

(01:16:07):
braids in her hair. Definitely didn't look like somebody on
their way to work. Definitely didn't look like somebody on
their way to operate their own business. Was a hands
on the hips? Did you see? What does that mean?
When a black woman in hands is on her hips? Stereotypically,
that's the sassy mama. Look, that's the independent. I'm on welfare,

(01:16:28):
I don't have a husband, i might have multiple kids.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Complaining, whining masculine. That was an insult to black female
integrity and dignity. That did not represent the great divine
feminine at all. That was an insult, my brother, that
was an insult. You have too many Black women doing
too many great things. Let me give you an example

(01:16:52):
of why I consider that an insult. Black women are
the most educated population in America, right, the most educating.
Why not at least put a book bag on her back.
Black women are the most educated population in America. Keep
the same outfit. Put a book bag on her back.
Do you know what you're saying now, Loun. She's a student,

(01:17:14):
she might only be twenty, she might only be twenty one,
she might not have a job, which is cool, but
she's on her way. Why not put a book back
to show Black women are the most educated group.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Uh uh?

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
I want to show a single quote unquote independent black
woman who can't find a man or a job. That's
what I want to show. That was an insul.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
Art is supposed to represent the greatness of a people,
the greatness of a people, like I said, Loun. If
it was multiple pieces, it would have been. Okay, that's
one statue stand alone in time square, a business district.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
You put that in the wealthiest business district on the
planet Earth.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
You put a statue of an unemployed black woman. And
I'm not supposed to say nothing of First of all,
do we know who put that up? There? Was that
the city? Was that a donation? Was that a local university?
Because I want to know under what premises? Is it temporary?

(01:18:17):
Is it permanent? What is it that? That's the whole
thing is, like, what's your purpose? What y'are doing?

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Uh? Insult have been displayed in the same city where
a contingentous moment, it doesn't say who. As the conversation intensified,
criticism has emerged from several angles, from those seeking to
preserve the county's historical monuments and from people wondering if
the peace employed stereotypical imagery, from critics calling the message

(01:18:49):
ham fisted, but social media has been overrun with commoners,
often anonymous, hurling over racists and sexist terms. Piece Grounded
in the Stars was produced in twenty twenty three by
Thomas J. Price, a London based sculpture whose work in
recent years has directly.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Google his name. Google his name and put London based
sculpt the Thomas Price, London based sculptor and see if
you can and hit images and see if you see
his face and the reason I'm asking you to see
what race he was. Most of the statues in this country,
loom of great black heroes are made by non black artists.

(01:19:33):
They do not let our people create and craft our
own heroes. I want to know if he was white
or black. It's not showing him. Here's some more. If
you hit a hit image, does his face come up?
They're showing of his works. I wonder what he is
either way, it was unacceptable. He is black. Okay, he's black.

(01:19:56):
Let me see him, I think. Okay, I'm not gonna
knock him per se. It looks like he has several works.
My question is why did they choose that that one?

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Yeah, that's still a thing. It's still respected him and
his creativity. That was what they all the wealthy times
to use us and and missteps we may have made,
or misrepresentations that they can now redefine right and use
that against us and say, well he made we didn't do.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Y'all male, Why symbols rule the world? Brother? Every memory
in your head is a symbol. Your brain don't store
information in sentences. It's symbols. White Jesus symbol. Look at
that symbol? What is that telling Black girls when they
see that? What is that? Look at all the black

(01:20:48):
female entrepreneurs we have. You couldn't have put them up there.
You know, how many do you realize how many different
representations of Black women I can brainstorm right now, and
that's what you give me in the wealthiest business district
of the planet. That's an insult. Yeah,

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