Feat Mal - Mal On The Joe Budden Podcast Break Up Truth & New Rory and Mal - Its Up There Podcast - ITS UP THERE PODCAST W/LOONEY

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Honey.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Then while y'all keep asking to see the accounting, and
it's like, because we're trying to just show like fam
we know we were being stolen from.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Feels like he has choices and options.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
He feels like he's entitled to more.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Rory, you are in breach of your contract and from
this point forward, you are fired and you're.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Not welcome back.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Does anybody in here have a problem that I'm the
person that has to say that, Maul, I'm the person
that has to say that.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
The goal of you to think that you are observing
the way that.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I am to think that I have to come to
you about a problem I have with another man. We
have things sorely mistaken around here.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
He can't sue.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
He can't sue us, It's impossible. He he knows the
real and the people, the people that know him know
the real. They know his business practices throughout the years.
They know that Maw has never sat down and you know,
sat on the mic and talk bad about anybody, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
It's definitely not somebody that I looked at as a friend, like.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
To come into play and you know, uh, trying to
you know, tear somebody's character apart and things like that.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
You know, the truth is the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Though, to my very next statement, Maul, not only did
I not steal from you, you have never had anything
worth me stealing from you, no matter how many new
beginnings you start, and no matter how many of these

(01:53):
new people you get around some of us, know you
do you.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Think that he was feeding information to act.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Of course man, to know what we were dealing with internally,
We thought that if the public found out, it's like, well, wait,
how y'all sitting here preaching about you know, honor and
respect and keeping it real and not you know, getting
off and now we're going through the bullshit. So it
was hard to kind of sit here and you know,
but just like okay, you know, just let the rent

(02:23):
happen and you know whatever, whatever, you know, keep talking,
because I'm I'm also receiving information here too.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
In the moment one of our contract year one of
our contract year one of our contract.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Gentlemen, how long do you think it took them.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
To figure out that this was a really profitable business.
I'm asking you they guessed it instantaneously.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Let me not act like I.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Don't know how to finish out.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
A contract because he's always saying that, yo, I paid
them this number even though the company didn't earn that number.
But I kept that number there because I pulled money
from here than everywhere to keep that number. That y'all saying, Now,
you slick put us on a salary. It's a salary, bro.
You do see it is kind of pushed back, like
just show the numbers.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Listen, man, it snows like and that's my thing, man,
you know, and I don't. I don't want to, you know,
I don't want to disrupt anything that got over there,
but you know, having it.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Having to show his character.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Did the network start while y'all were y'all were still there, right, yes, yeah,
y'all carried the network. The network was, y'all?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (03:30):
No show? Another show? Was it?

Speaker 4 (03:32):
The network is literally just his YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Now, niggas want to move me to death.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Exactly, My man loans old loan.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Okay, okay, it's up there and stuck that. When it's
up there, man, it's stuck there. Shut up. This episode
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Let's get back to the show, active and attractive hosts
for another episode. You know, we do everybody in the
culture that has a voice that does things at are

(04:50):
high level. Today we got somebody who was instrumental in
what we know to be as podcast right for our culture.
We got at the homeboy mab what's going on? I'm
chilling man? What's good man?

Speaker 4 (05:04):
You know, just finally tapped in with you.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Man, got a chance to come down here to Atlanta,
and we've been trying to make it happen for a
little minute.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Finally here, Man. I love it, I love it. I
need that love. Man.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
The game been good to me. And again, man, y'all,
y'all all in the culture that really have a voice
that I thought was real from the outside. I always
keep confirming to me that it is real ones in
the game. So I appreciate you stopping by no question.
You know, first of all, man, we want to get
into the business side of what it is you do, right.
Podcasting is a big arena. It's a new industry. You know.

(05:37):
I have a particular issue with some people that's partying
in the industry building process. We need to be working.
When I look at you you down here in Atlanta
right now on tour. You just told me you so
eight hundred tickets. Talk to me about that.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
So you know, Rory and myself knew Rory podcast. Shout
out to my brother Rory. Just got back from London
last well, earlier this week, almost a lord with seven
hundred tickets sold out in London at the Earth Theater.
Shout out to everybody in London that came out. It's
a beautiful night. Love over there was amazing, had an
amazing time.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Man, we just building, man, We're trying to just you know,
build something. It's beautiful to watch it grow it's beautiful
to employ, you know, people that have the same goals
and visions and dreams and you know, want to have
fun doing this and just have passion.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
And respect for each other.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Right, So yeah, we building, man, We all having fun
man traveling the world.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
The business side of this game is off the left
side of people conversation, right, And those people that do
talk about the business side, I'm not sure I see
them executing in the same way that they communicating, right.
So when I look at y'all, I say, yo them, dudes,
I look at your brand, Right, y'all been able to
brand it, even as far as the orange that rary

(06:57):
you it's a thing, yeah, right, even the red head
like it's a theme, right, that's a branding thing happening.
On top of that, there there's a situation where y'all
selling tickets, selling merch right in each each of these facets,
y'all tend to have different designs, different approaches, and just
elevating the way that podcast and is looking. How much

(07:20):
of that is you and how much of that is Rory.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
It's you know, it's pretty much a both of us.
So we all, you know, even on certain things on
the merch side that I come up with and my
partners out in LA and and G. You know, we
all collab on ideas and we just throw things at
the table sometimes and whatever sticks, whatever we think is dope,
you know, we run with.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
It doesn't matter you know whose idea it was.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
If it's dope, it makes sense for the brand, and
it's something that we think that people would with and
that they're gonna support, Like we just put it out there.
But creatively, Rory and myself just you know, pretty much
is us, you know what I mean. We have a
whole team of people that pitching the add things here
and there, but they get our personal they know what
we're trying to look like, what we're trying to do,
what we're trying to create. So it's just like it's

(08:05):
like a whole bunch of you know, people just hanging
out in the dorm having fun.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, man, And it feels like that even when y'all
left the Joe Budden Podcasts, right, even the approach of
the clip that came out when y'all was like we're
looking for work, that was just even a unique approach.
Even looking back at it, it's like y'all were early
on the skit type of y'all might be the only

(08:30):
people doing that in podcasting. From a creative standpoint, I
don't know. I mean, the White boys do it like
Full Sin and Logan Paul and those guys. But from
our standpoint, yeah, maybe trailblazing and that.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
That's something that we want to you know, ultimately get
into his TV and film and long form sketches and
things like that, just because we have so many ideas
and things that we take from real life situations, which
was what the Got Fired skit was when we first
quot unquot got fired, right, So we decided to take
that and have some fun with it and create something

(09:05):
that you know, we thought, we think, we thought the
people would like, and they they loved it, and that
was all.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
You know, people reached out said who wrote that? Who
wrote that? It was like that, you know, we freestyled
the whole thing. None of that was written.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
That was all just a circumstance, and you know, we
just came up with the circumstances and we just let
the camera run.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
That's dope. That's super dope. Let's get into the departure
of Joe Button Podcast. Let's be clear, when did you
come into the Joe Button Park at what episode was
at first it was the name was Our Name is podcast?
Like when did you arrive on the scene? Do you remember?

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Think it was like episode seventy seven maybe okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, And so sweat equity was mentioned, right, blood, sweat
and tears and your departure from there was an unfortunate one,
and it was it was ugly. It was fortunate, right,
we just talked about it. You say you're very fortunate, right, right.
You told me when when I was out there smoke
and you said loan, I would have been okay with
helping home. Oh.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Yeah, I've always That's all I've ever been. Uh.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
You know, I've always wanted to be somebody that helped.
Like if it's somebody you know, if I fuck with you, uh,
or if I feel like, you know, I believe in
what you're doing and I see your vision and I
feel like I can offer some assistance, even if it's not.
I'm not It's not about me getting nothing financially from
it all the time necessarily. I just feel like if
I'm able to which I think we should do in
our culture more anyway, It's like, yo, if I if

(10:30):
I have a plug somewhere or connect somewhere where I
can help you elevate what you got going on and
get you to a next level somewhere. Why not because
I would want somebody to do the same for me. So,
you know, especially when it's you know, quote unquote friends,
and I feel like that goes without saying it's like, yeah,
I help you out, like I help you do whatever.
Let's let's do it. But we're gonna and we get
to have fun. Why not to say it's a win

(10:51):
win situation. So yeah, it was all about me just
you know, uh, getting in and trying to help elevate
something and bring some type of you know, energy into
a situation where it made for a complete a complete circle.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
And now do you have clarity because over the last
couple of months, that's been shots took by you by
Joe Budden just about what y'all perceived to be the truth.
You say that Joe stealing, He said that he's not stealing.
Of course, you say, I'll come up that showed me
the books. Do it on your platform and it'll make

(11:26):
for great content. Put it behind your paywall. Do what
you will.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Let's not put listen man, you know, and I want
to be very clear, this is not you know, I
don't I'm not. It's no ill feelings, it's no beef,
it's no you know, it's all love, man, you know
what I'm saying. Like I said, at one point, you know,
we was all real friends, and you know, so that
that doesn't just go away, you know what I'm saying.
So it's not a beef thing. I think that everything
happened for a reason. We're very fortunately, very blessed Rory

(11:53):
myself to land where we landed and be able to
do what we're doing right now. So everything happens for
a reason. It's just the unfortunate part of it is,
you know, when just just his livees start to come
into play and you know, trying to you know, tear
somebody's character apart and things like that.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
You know, the truth is the truth, though, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
And as I always tell my brother Rory, you know,
you know, because we have talks and he, you know,
Rory gets into these moves where he's like, man, I
don't want to.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Just keep going through this bullshit with this dude.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
And I'm just like, but Rory, when the truth is
on your side, everything is gonna be okay, man, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (12:27):
So you know it is what it is. But yeah,
I mean the truth is the truth.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
And you know we were we were taking advantage of
and you know we had money, a lot of money
stolen from us and taking from us and it's fucked up.
But you know, I mean, if that's the way it
had to happen for us to be in a situation
where in now and the position we're in now in
our lives, and so be it.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
You don't fuck around and made you taught you how
to fish. Yeah, I mean put you in a situation
now where you went and got the information.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
The thing is, I always knew how to fish, right,
But you know, some time I don't mind, you know,
getting on your boat and helping you, fright, you know
what I mean. So you know, if you felt like,
you know, that was your boat and you know you're
the big skipper, and you know what I'm saying you,
it's like.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
And so but in podcast and with it being a
new industry, it's like, you know, I gotta give Joe
some credit in regards to he did kind of make
it not easier. But y'all together, you lifted less, right,
And so what I'm saying is like this new industry,

(13:30):
nobody kind of understood how to move. Unfortunately, whatever deal
he placed y'all in that y'all agreed on, he and
what you're saying is still wouldn't stick to the deal
that he had in place.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, I think I think when we uh looking back,
I think when we signed our percentage agreement with each other,
I don't think that he anticipated the amount of money
that was going to be offul to us. So I
think once that money came into play, I think that
something inside of him just wasn't comfortable. And it's crazy

(14:07):
when you think about it, but I think something inside
of him was like he wasn't comfortable seeing us get
that money, you know what I mean. And it's fun,
but that happens with us a lot. Man Like it's
a deeper, whole, deeper you know, story behind that. It's
like in our culture, you know, we say we want
to see each other eat and see each other, but
it's like, you know, somebody come in here with a

(14:30):
whole buffet.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
It's like, damn, I was gonna get these niggas a slice.
I didn't want to get these niggas.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
I want to dictate what they're able to do, you understand.
And that's unfortunate, bro, because you can't win like that. Yeah,
you know, and and I believe that to see you
rad and will Rory says so much about your character
just from me on the outside looking in, because I
see the years from you and Joe, I see you
know you on the Love and Hip Hop episode, and

(14:56):
see how far back y'all go, and it's like it
got to be principal somewhere that he's standing on because
what else would make him rad with a dude that
he meant alone the way?

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, it was just right as right and wrong as wrong.
And I mean, you know, and you know the fans
and the supporters and listeners they have a very short
term memory. But just go back to you know, the
reason why you know, we didn't show up the recorders
because you know, he told Rory not to cut from them,
and I said, whoh you he don't work for you.
You can't tell him not to come in or like,

(15:30):
and I'm definitely not gonna record without him.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (15:33):
So just go back to that.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
It's like that's just me though, like, if it's something wrong,
then let's fix it before any of us move forward.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
But me and you are not going to record without
our brother, our partner.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
That was the deep moment I'm talking about. That was
there right there, because in my opinion, you hurt Joe
because Joe felt like Yo, Rory, but mile straight? But why?

Speaker 4 (15:59):
But why is it?

Speaker 2 (15:59):
But and see that's the things that people don't know
behind the scenes. It was like, but why fuck Rory?
Why you why everybody.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Ain't doing that even when you look at Parks, some
of the fans to say that his position is my boat,
everything right around me look good, and you know.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
And and Parks was you know, I've known Parks for years.
Good good, good person right deep deep inside, he's a
good person. I just think that, uh, you know, the
position that he may be in and painting himself in
the corner to where he don't really have enough wiggle
room to really get his ship off and say what
he wanted to say. But that's why I tweeted a
few weeks I said, Parks knows right because.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
I've known Parks for years. Man, for the most part,
he's a good dude.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
I just think that he's just a little into deep
on the business in and he has a lot of
things tied in with Joe business wise. Well, he can't
really really rattle that boat and shake the tree too much,
but he knows man, and those guys, all of those
guys over there, all those guys in the.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Room, they know me.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
They've known me for at least twelve years. They know
that I'm that I never did no sucking shit, no
foul shit. I've never you know, done no wax shit
to nobody. So they know my character. So you know,
it's just that everybody got is kind of in the
fuck up. It's just because they gotta choose a side,
right and you know, they chose to ride with with
Homie and it's all good, you know what I'm saying.
Like I said, it's no beef, man, it's no you know,

(17:19):
this podcast and things sometimes to get a little weird,
like everybody feel like it's competitive and it's beef, and
it's so I know what real beef looked like. This
is no beef and this shit, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like, you know, they had to choose a side,
and you know, it's all good. Like I said, you know,
Rory and myself were able to pivot and land on
our feet and do what we do. And like I said,
we just came back from selling almost seven hundred eight

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hundred tickets in the UK. The same night, Dave Chappelle
had a show by the way.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's dope. You know it's dope. Shout out to y'all.
And you know what when I was telling you when
y'all first, when it first happened, I was afraid for
y'all because I was thinking, like, and I got this
from b Marshall with the episode I just did with
him where I would have put y'all in the situation
to ovid because I felt like immediately there was this

(18:06):
thing in the market between y'all two and he was
trying to battle to look like he was still in
a good place, and y'all was trying to say, Yo,
we're on our own, and I was saying, spend the money,
go get a building, go get a sick go get this,
go get that, and y'all bubbled it right up and
the fan basic y'all, y'all activated it and took it
to the next level. Y'all did that shit.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
I mean we just you know, again, we don't want
to go fast. We want to go right.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
We want to do it right.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
We want to move right, and we have a vision
for ourselves and what we want to look like, and
we ultimately want to end up and I think we're
doing a great job of doing that. You know, we're
not running out getting a guest. We don't want to
be too heavily guest based every week because then you
paint yourself on the corner with that when it's like, okay,
we can't get a guest, So who do we you
know what I mean, who do we?

Speaker 4 (18:49):
What do we do now?

Speaker 2 (18:50):
So we kind of want to just show people that
we can create something where we basically wear the talent
and we rely on ourselves and our own personalities, uh
to push this thing and then pulling on you know,
guests that we really have a personal relationship with that
we we kind of already have some type of rapport
with and you know, just do something more creative aside

(19:11):
from just sitting down talking. But we ultimately want to
move into like a TV and film space and uh,
you know, do things on that level because you know,
we have the talent and ability to do that, which
is what we try to show with some of our
skits and promo pieces and things like that.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
For the live shows.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
It's be dope to let me just try.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
To show a little just some some some versatility and
what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Right, do you think you hurt Joe Budden? Do you
think now, let me ask you this, when did you
start to pivot towards Rory like hold on with something
ain't right, that ain't cool? When did When was that?

Speaker 4 (19:44):
You know it?

Speaker 2 (19:45):
We Rory and myself developed a relationship naturally on the
show throughout the years, but you know, in that situation,
the business and things like that, it was it honestly
became a thing where it was it fell into that
because we were on the same side of the fight.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Like we both we both were fighting for the same thing.
Like it was like, all right, we have this, you
know this deal there.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
But I felt like he would have straightened you out
and not straighten rwer reality.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
But even that I wouldn't go for it.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
I know it, But I felt like that's what hurt him.
Right when he said I remember a time when he said,
I never remember I never saw saw the day. Yeah,
but he was talking about you. Yeah he would. I'm
telling you man something about you.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
Yeah, stunging.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Well, you know, we have a we had a relationship
for so many years, and and the dude's a white boy.
But this principal, it's all it is with me. I
don't care how long I know you, I don't care.
You know, it's principle. It's integrity, is it's honor, you
know what I mean. So it's like right as right,
wrong as wrong. And I'm not gonna stand there and

(20:53):
allow somebody that because I looked at it like we're
a team. We all in this boat together, you know
what I mean, We stay on that stage together.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
So but there's so many niggas that were the road
with the nigga they knew for ten fifteen years only
because it's like what do I got to lose?

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Well, that's the sea. But that and again that's the
problem with us as is it's like this and.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
I'm telling you, salute from one real nigga to another
one even there everything else I the winder. Just I'm
saying that looked like from my perspective, is principle involved
in that?

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Because it's my guy right here, I'm man, I was
with this guy when he will raggly ragging. Man I'm
talking about man. If you go back and say, I
ain't never been raging. I come out of the street
with some money. You understand, no cap on that, no
ten on it. You go back some you say, damn
home was kind of it seemed fun over there a
little bit financially, and that's cool because we all had

(21:46):
to come from something. But y'all help lift that. How
much weight do you think you lifted over therered out
one hundred percent of the lifting with the Joe Budden
podcast up into your departure. How much do you say
was your contribution?

Speaker 2 (22:02):
I mean, I think I contributed a lot. I think
I lifted a lot. You go back to some of
the earlier episodes. I think that's when it started to
turn just because I think the personality, my personality, uh,
and my relationship with Joe was so unique and so honest,
and you know, I think that that helped turn it
into what it became. Even if you go back to

(22:23):
the Charlemagne episode, Charlemagne said it. He said, you know,
this thing didn't really pop until mag got it.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, I got a squashit with you as Charlamagne. Man,
I know y'all got a little bit that he been.
He done right. He doing right by me, man.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Charlemagne, Listen, I know he does. He does things behind
the scenes for people that you know, I salute and
I respect. I just didn't, you know, let me finish
the point though getting to that. So yeah, I just
think that the relationship that we had with each other,
because I still don't really like saying his name, but
the relationship that we had with each other, I think
it was so honest and so real and it was

(22:59):
dope to see and so many people could relate to it.
I think that helped lift it. With him and Rory
and chouldt to Maurita, what they had I think was
unique as well. I just think that, you know, you
insert somebody that had a real relationship, the relationship that
we had with each other, and you put that on
mic and on camera. I think people gravitate towards that
the stories to you know, holding each other.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
And he was intentional with I'll give him some credit
on this. He was intentional with the consumer facing when
it comes to you, right, he was intentional with saying, man,
you're just too cool, man, you dress better than me. Man,
he was intentional on camera with that. He's smart enough
to know what he's doing when he's doing. Now, what
he doesn't say says more to me about him than

(23:43):
what he does say on camera. Right, So he's somebody
that's intentional with doing that, and I'll give him a
little credit with trying to have the consumers accept you
in a way where it's like this is my cool potnum.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
And it even translated to someone like a Charlemagne. It
was like, you know what, mal is that nigga too?

Speaker 5 (24:03):
Now?

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Even though you that nigga, he was putting something on it.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, no, and and and I you know, and and
again it it was all it made for what it
became exactly like it was all part of it was
a beautiful thing. I just think that ultimately, which happens
a lot in our community and on our culture, ego
just killed and destroyed. And it you know, it kills
from within, it destroys from within. And you know that's

(24:28):
a fight that I can't stand in front of. Ego
is something that you gotta battle with personally. So I
just step out the way and I let you, you know,
have that battle with yourself, right, you know, even.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Speaking about the lifting thing, there was a moment do
you remember when he got fired from Everyday Struggle?

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:48):
What was the atmosphere? Do you remember the atmosphere? Then?

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Vaguely I remember, And again that's interesting because we only
got his side of the story, but I vaguely remember
how he came in and was like, you know, we
started talking about it on the show, like you know,
they they wouldn't let the creators create, and you know,
they won't let me smoke in the bathroom, and it
was just a whole bunch and I was just like, okay, whatever,
you know, I mean, that wasn't my business.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
And you know, me no understanding the information. And I
want the young creators and everybody watching this if you
know my brain, if you hear and you don't know
my brain. Were about information, right, We're about elevation. Anything
we speak about we extract and experience from things that
we can explain so people can evolve. That's all this

(25:35):
is about.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
But with the Everyday Struggle situation, y'all gave him a blanket.
I know, you you know, let him go on his rants.
He was talking and all of that, but it was
a situation where he needed y'all more than he can
explain in that moment. At that point, he had just
had a baby. He had just had this situation where

(25:59):
he he was getting further in the building, and then
all of a sudden he thought he had leverage. And
that's something that happens with him. For some reason, he
missed places where he think his leverage is. Not that
he doesn't have leverage, there's just something happening with his
idea of leverage. I don't when he goes to try
to utilize what he think his leverage is, there's something happening, right,

(26:22):
And so with complex they let him go, you know
whatever in receipt of your email, because I've been looking
at some of the shit knowing that we were gonna
sit down, and when he came and sat down with y'all,
that was home. He still had that. And I continue
to let people know that it's hard to do a

(26:43):
podcast by yourself. It's damnar impossible. And if it was possible,
I think that he would have done it by himself.
By now. He had y'all to lean on in that moment,
and in my opinion, I just wanted I wonder did
y'all know how important y'all were to him in that
moment for him to be able to land right there

(27:03):
with his two homeboys, comfortable way has conversations week after
week after week and be able to talk to the
fans and create the narrative that he was able to create.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
I mean, we thought we were pretty important, but now
you listen to the things that he says now about us,
we weren't that important, so you know, I mean again, man,
you know, we just try to play our part. And
as far as being friends in that moment, like you know,
it started the whole podcasting thing for us. Again, it
started as therapy. It was therapeutic for us to get

(27:34):
to get together once and twice a week and just
kick it and talk about shit.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
But when money comes into play, man, it changes, you know,
so many things. It's amazing how many things and emotions
just change and sway because money is on the table now.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
But for me, it didn't. You know, obviously I didn't
care about money. It was all about just the principles
and in tech.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
And you know, people see, oh, if it wasn't about
the money, then why you keep asking to see the
counting and it's like because we're trying to just show,
like fam, we know we were being stolen from and
this is why we chose to say, Yo, just show
the accountant.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
Let's make it correct and move forward, right.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
And I want people to understand that if Joe was
to sue, he would expose what needs to be like
that would force a discovery, yeah, which the accountant would
have to come into play.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Oh yeah, I mean he know he he can't sue.
He can't sue us, It's impossible. He he knows the
real and the people, the people that know him know
the real They know his business practices throughout the years.
They know that Maul has never sat down and you know,
sat on the mic and talked bad about anybody, you

(28:53):
know what I mean. It's definitely not somebody that I
looked at as a friend, Like I hate that you
google my name and it come that type of shit
comes up, you know what I mean. I don't, I don't.
I never want to be a party shit like that.
But we know that, you know, we built something that
was big in the culture, and you know it it
ended the way it did.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
But like I said, it was a.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Fortunate situation for Rory and myself because we landed inwnership.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
And and just you know, just respect.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
It's so it's just so much respect, you know, like, uh,
the people we work with, you know, I got editing videographer,
you know, my boss and my boys.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Like I'm not your boss, man, partners. I need you
just as much as you need me, you know what
I mean. Like I don't even like walking around with
that boss title, Like I don't, I don't.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
I don't need that. Like I want everybody to feel
like they can come to me. They could talk to
me whenever they want. You have my number, You can
call me any time of the day, if you have
something on your mind, if you have something creatively you
want to throw on the table. It doesn't matter if
you're on camera or not. If you're in this room
and you're you're a part of this, this this, this
this brain trust in this, in this you know this
this thing we building, Like your opinion matters.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
You're in this room for a reason.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
So I think you create that space with people in
it allows for so many more ideas and positive energy
to flow in and to feed something beautiful, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
What I mean? Did you did you believe at the
beginning that you had an ownership deal or a partnership.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
No, we had a percentage agreement. Any money that came
in for the podcast we split.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Was that understood from the beginning or was ownership ever thought?
Did you ever think that you owned a part of
it or did you always think this was a percentage
based type of situation.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
It was a percentage based it was It was some
excuse me for.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Not to cut you off. Some people try to say
that you guys thought that you owned some of it.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
No, no, no, no, no, we knew exactly what it was.
And again that's because of the creatives of It's. It's
We had a contract in place before any money came
into play, and we and Rory myself took a very
humble percentage of very uh you know, we we we
understood where not you know, we don't have a name,

(31:00):
and we weren't artists and rappers and things like that.
So we took our very humble percentage and proceeded to
move forward and grow it until a deal came across
the table that you know, ultimately was signed. Again, I
just think that that money was something that you know,
I was never thought about coming into play, and when
it did, I don't think that he was happy splitting

(31:20):
that with us the way that it was agreed upon.
So you know, it happened to fell Aparton.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
It is what it is. You know, I believe Joe
can't pod in the same way, right, I think Ish
doesn't allow Joe and I have a relationship with is
shut out the Ish, right, got a relationship with him
over there. He reaches out to me, we speak sometimes,
But I don't believe he can pod in the same way.
I think. I think Ish kind of doesn't give him

(31:48):
the isolation type of vibe that you guys gave, right.
I think you guys understand podcasts, especially the way that
he podcasts, not necessarily that everything he says is going
to be the truth. Sometimes he's getting into a theatric
bag and he's doing this little one too. Now, you
did say that when he got into some of them conversations,

(32:09):
you guys were sitting back, like, hold on, we've been
on you about some of these things that you explained
into the public.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, see it it was so many things. Like a
lot of people think that that just happened. When it happened,
and that was years that was years of us trying
to That was like a year and a half almost
two years of us trying to get that right and
get the business right. So you know, when those rants
were happening, you go back and look at some of
those and you know, I'm sitting there being quiet because

(32:39):
I'm like, you know, people were always telling themselves, right,
you let them talk. Yeah, So I did a lot
of listening, and you know, and we were careful because
we were creating, or what we thought was we were
creating was something that was built on honor and principle
and to know what we were dealing with internally, we

(33:01):
thought that if the public found out, it's like, well, wait,
how y'all sitting here preaching about you know, honor and
respect and keeping it real and not you know, getting
you fucked off and we and now we're going through
the bullshit. So it was hard to kind of sit
here and you know, but just like, okay, you know,
just let the rent happen and you know, whatever whatever,
for the sake of the message getting out there and

(33:22):
you know, the people receiving the message. And we didn't
want to put our personal thing in the way of that.
But that was the reason for a lot of those,
you know, just let it happen. Yeah, because it was like,
you know, keep talking because I'm I'm also receiving information
here too in the moment, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
So and this is the thing, right, I'm looking at
it and me just having supreme game. I'm sitting back
and saying, see sometimes you sometimes you cuss. You cuss
at your mother and your girlfriend here and she said,
oh my god, yeah, look I talked to his mother.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
And so when you saying things like yo, I left
Complex because Spotify brought in a check and they didn't
want to give the people on the show a piece
of the check. When we're the reason Spotify brought the
check and then you got people on your show it's saying, hey,
what's going on with the check? Because Spotify? Because the
check it's the same, it's.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
The same thing.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
It's like, it's funny how you turn into the same
people that were talking about.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
But it's almost like in his brain. And that's why
I gotta ask him. He needs some he needs some
real questions asked to him without the wiggle room.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Right, Oh, he's gonna spend he gonna try to he's
gonna try to spend, try to spend.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
He's gonna try to spend good. He's good at spending.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
He's gonna try to I think he talks to you know,
he has this thing where he talks to grown men,
and I think he think he talking to women that
he's dating. You know, you can spend a woman that
you date around her, but when you're talking to real dudes,
ain't it don't work. And that's and that's it's not
gonna work with me.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
So sometimes when when you know, he would he would
get in those modes talking about that, I always looked
at y'all, let's kind of speak on academics. Do y'all
do you think that he was feeding information to act?

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Of course, man, you know, and I don't.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
I don't talk about that dude, but you know, yeah,
I just you know again, this this this this media
podcast thing is weird man, because these dudes will start
talking about you, talking crazy and you never even they don't.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
You don't even know these dudes. That's what I'm like.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
I'm like, who, all right, you know what I mean,
I'm not I'm not gonna get into back and forth
because it's like they got too much time on it
here and I can't. I don't do that, and it's like,
you know, you, I've never seen these dudes anywhere outside,
I don't know. And then they get online and then
get on their platforms and start talking crazy and it's

(35:51):
just like I don't even know how to do that,
Like I can't because I don't know you, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
So I can't.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
I can't sit on here and spew that type of
crazy talk when I've never even I don't even how
to do that.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
It's almost like even with his situation with Rory, it's
almost like he was leaving you out of it too.
It's almost he was bringing you in it after a
certain part. But there was a moment where it's almost
like everybody was against Rory and they was trying to
kind of leave ma all out. But Mal was looking
for why fuck act with what his situation is. But

(36:22):
to Joe thing, you were trying to understand why is
you what's happening? And then, like you said, we both
on the same side creatively to try to say you
already get the big piece of chicken.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Yeah we partners. Man.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
You know you can't tell your partner against partners. We
don't work for nobody wearing employees. We were business partners.
We have a contract agreement, we have a percentage based agreement.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
We were partners.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
So it's like, you tell your partner don't come to work,
you at least got to consult with the other partner first, right,
you know.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Like if me and you and another home he got
a show together, and then you text him and say
you don't come into work.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Me and you supposed to have that talk before you.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
You should be like, yah, I feel like he shouldn't
come in for a couple of weeks, whatever it may be.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
We need to have a talk first. You can't if
I view you as a partner. That's why I think
he didn't view y'all as partner.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Of course he didn't. It's his name is the podcast.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
When he changed the name, what was y'all thinking?

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Then we knew what it was.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
That was deep, That was ego.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
But that's what I'm saying, And you know what, people
got to rewind the tapes and go back and look
at the film.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
It's ego.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
But even in the midst of that, we weren't tripping
because we had this contract in place, and we're like,
all right, it don't matter. You can call it whatever
you want. Right, this contract is in place, and whatever
money comes in, this is the percentage that I get.
This is the percentage that he gets. So you can
call it whatever you want. You can dress it up
however you want to dress it up. It doesn't matter
to us. Whatever comes across that table. This is my cut,

(37:54):
this is his cut.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
That's your cut. You understand what I'm saying. And that's
how we rolled and move forward.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
But you know, when you start realizing that everything is
starting to look like a salary, it's like, oh.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I'm yeah, I don't know salary, all right? They keeping
you at the same number. And then okay, so I
see what you said, because he's always saying that, yo,
I paid them this number even though the company didn't
earn that number, but I kept that number there because
I pulled money from here, there, and everywhere to keep
that number. That y'all saying, now you slick put us
on a salary.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
It's a salary, bro, Like, come on, we're not doing that.
That's a good game salary, like I'm not and again
a good game.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
No, he tried it. That's a good game, but.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
It's like it's not gonna work with Like, I'm chill,
I'm cool, laid back, notionally, I'm not stupid, though I
didn't peep that. I'm gonna watch you. I'm going I'm
very observing. I see everything. You know, we just sold
sixteen hundred tickets and I'm getting the same as we
sell eight hundred tickets.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
That's a salary home, Yeah, its definitely what it sounds salary.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Then and then when we again, there was so many
conversations of us trying to make get right because.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
We knew what we had, we knew what we were building.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
And you know, I remember one conversation we had and
you know, he looked at me and Rory and he's
outside talking and we got into it one day. He
was like, yeah, you know, after this contract is up,
I'm gonna put you out on the salary. And me
and Roy looked at each other, like, who you talking to?
Put who on the salary? But that's what he always wanted,
which is what he has now. You know, you're now

(39:23):
now and they doing more work. I mean, I love parks, man,
you know, I mean I love parks you know, and
it's just you know, have.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
You watched the show, no at all? Nah, have you
seen any clips?

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Only when they're talking about me, only when he has
something to say about.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
It, right right, and they don't usually talking. Man, you
do see it is kind of pushed back, like just
show the numbers.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Listen, man, it knows like and that's my thing, man,
you know, and I don't. I don't want to, you know,
I don't want to disrupt anything that got over there.
But you know the people going to see eventually, and
you know, it's just you know, it's just fucked up, man,
because you know, I know those guys feel like like
they can't you know, kick it with me. You know

(40:11):
they I saw ice them following me on social media
like that because you know.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
It's like, you know, I get it.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Man, listen, he being he being lowyer to the big
home man.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
You know, I listen. I'm not I'm not mad at it.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Man.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
It's just you know, they know the real and that's
the thing that you know, you know, aside from a podcast,
and you know, now people watching you and following on
social media, I'm talking about let's you know, go back
to them days in jersey go back to them. You know,
they know me and they know him, and they know
the things they've been through with him. None of them

(40:49):
never been through nothing with me. Fucked up ship, so
right right, like we ain't gotta I ain't gotta do that,
like you know, it's it just is what it is.
And like I said, you know, I think him for
doing that. I thank him for you know, fucking us.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Over and doing make us go get our own jersey.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Man, oh man, it was beautiful, like you know, he
he it was. You know, it was a hat trick,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Like I respect it. You know.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
It's like, you know, you did what you had to do,
and that was part of the story and part of
the journey. Like every nothing, nothing is an accident.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Everything has its has its meaning, everything has its purpose.
So you know, I look at that now and I'm like,
oh shit, if you don't do that, I don't have
my own jersey. Yeah you made me go by the team. Yeah,
And like I said, I was happy setting the screen.
I knew I could get thirty. If I want to
go get thirty, I knew I could go get there.
I could go get thirty. But if you if you hot,

(41:47):
I'm feeling you because I don't. It's no ego and.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
Play with me.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
We get the w when we go in the locker room.
That's all I give a fuck about. I don't care
about all that other ship is ego ship. I always
got attention from girls, I always got respect from niggas.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
So it's it's you know, I don't. It's like, yo, listen,
we building something with a team. Let's be a team
for sure.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
When you rewind the tape, like you say, the Patreon
deal comes to mind. Y'all had just turned down the
Spotify deal and then all of a sudden, he shows
up with a Patreon deal that has some name on
it that I don't even hear him, not mentioned anymore,
but where he had took the podcast the Patreon. You

(42:32):
didn't clap at that moment. There's a there's a video
going around when he you know, Rory, see Rory gave
into his his his feelings in that moment, just to
kind of.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Rory has a better poker face. Yeah, he was like,
now I'm happy for you, bro.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
You know you were like yeah, because again, it was
so much shit going on behind the scenes, it was done.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
Then, oh it was for me. For me, it was done.
You know when he told Rory not to come in,
and you know that bothered me.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Because it's like you was clean on how he looked
at it.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, and it was like, yo, but he don't work
for you, like we partners in it. And then, like
I said, even if you have an issue with something
Rory said or did, you should talk to me first
about it and then let's let's like all sit down together,
you know. And then when we had a talk that
we had and you know, he said the things he said,
and then you know, he told me, oh, it's none

(43:29):
of your it's none of your business, and it's none
of my business.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
I paid the taxes on.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
It, and at one moment I'm sitting behind the costs
and the other moment it ain't none of my business.
So it's like rough to deal with.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
And this is what I'm saying, a lot of the
listeners they lose sight of these things because you know,
he's good at spinning and throwing things at you, and
you can't really keep up with everything he's saying.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
My thing is just reminded tapes and listen.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Let's talk about their Patreon moment. Just so you're saying
you didn't kind of you understood that there was a
fifty two fake out.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Not only it wasn't that there was a fifty two
fake out.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
It was Okay, here's another deal with more money coming
into the show, and we still don't have accounting.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
That's what that was.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
So when he says he showed us the accounting, it's like, yeah,
but you showed us an Excel spreadsheet that your accounting
didn't send, your manager sent, because had your accountant sent that,
your account would have lost his accountant license because there
was one hundred and forty some thousand dollars quote unquote mistake.
I said, who We didn't even know who that company was,

(44:33):
Like what company is this that we paid this money
out to? And his responsible or that was a mistake.
So we said, okay, one hundred and forty thousand dollars steak.
I don't know no account that makes a mistake that big,
But okay, corrected and sent sent back to the correct one.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
We never got another one after that. Add like this, taxes,
come on, man, show the taxes.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
See because like I said, you could you could play
games you could cook the books, yeah, easy.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
You can't cook the expenses.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
You can't do that with tax So you know, you know.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Again, like I said, we're not tripping because and this.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Is about the information. The reason why, the reason why
we're speaking about it is because in this space, right,
they have these percentage based deals. They have these deals
in place where you can go get a percentage base. Hey,
y'all don't own this, but every million that comes in,
we bust it down seven thousand, three hundred thousand, right,
And so we have to learn about how y'all navigated

(45:32):
through this, what the mistakes was, what with the ends
and outs are, and how y'all took that information to
do what it is y'all doing now, because not only
did y'all leave this situation withyall brands in y'all hand
y'all win and evolved those into the new Rory and
Mams show and took that on the Rod and brought
that into Skits and took that into getting the deal

(45:53):
with serious. And that's what I'm saying. I just want
the fans to know that this is never about sitting
around going into the depth.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I just want people to be very clear and in business, right,
you know, and I want my mistakes and my situations
to be somebody's learning curve and somebody's you know, elevation
Like okay, I can't do that. And if you know,
you and your your team or you got a crew
and y'all doing business together, like you know, just just
make sure everything is open on the table and everybody

(46:23):
has access to the to the numbers in the accounting,
you know, where they can go in and check. Cause
that's what we kept fighting for. Let's just get a
quick book. Unless we all have access to it, we
can go in and see it whenever we want. These
are all things that we brought to the table, and
you know, everything was frowned upon. Everything was like nah,
you know, it's just like but we're partners, so why

(46:43):
can't we just have a quick book to where we
can see the numbers.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
That's how it should be. That's how it should be.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Like with me and Rory we Bro we have zero
money issues. Like I'm talking about zero. Like it's crazy
because you know, when you're in the room with somebody
and you're in business with somebody, they'll sometimes make it
seem like some things are so impossible and it's like,
stop them.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
We got to talk about these companies because they do that.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
It's not your Listen, when people start moving like that,
that's the player doing that.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
And that's that.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Be very clear about that.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Like it's because, like I said, Rory myself now being
in business with each other and having our own media company.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Yeah, we'll fly y'all, we'll pay for this, We'll do that.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
It's nothing, bro, It's the most It's just so simple.
And we we we throw bullshit into the game and
we create issues where there are no issues. And it's
amazing to me the amount of things that will create
and and fuck up a beautiful thing. And it's like why,
And then when you see the why, you like, was
it worth it?

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Like was that? Like I think back to where we
were headed, and he.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Would have had the thing wouldn't have happened. He would
have had one hundred men, bro, Listen, man, that's if
he would have been able to not only keep that
and then do what he did with the girls. And
because that's another thing, people that hurt him so bad.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
But what happened to the network.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
I'm just asking you what happened that hurt him so bad?

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Talk to talk to the people, Talk to the talk
to the ladies.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Talk to the ladies, asking him what happened, asking him
what type of contracts he put on the table for them, because.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
I don't want people to think that. You know, this
is the thing where I'm trying to keep this going.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Like I said, I'm kicking with you to give information
about all these other other creators that's coming up, Like,
you know, get your business right here, keep it together
and know what it looked like.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
You know what I sound like when you're getting fucked.
Know when you win a percentage based contract but can't
get to count, that might be something.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
It's something there. It's a reason why you're not getting out,
you know what I'm saying. So that's what this is about.
But you know, I think it's just man, this shit
is for me.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
It's weird. I never hear y'all speak about why y'all
didn't start another podcast. Now, before we go there, let's
talk about the network. Okay, the network situation. If that
I think that y'all leaven hurt so bad as far
as like image wise, and far as trust and equity

(49:17):
that people had in him and his whole just situation.
You know because he was talked that creator talking. He
was rowing people up. People thought y'all were being quiet
because y'all agreed. People didn't know y'all was being quiet
because we asking for the things that you talking about
from your right. People didn't know that, and so people

(49:39):
took y'all being quiet as they letting him get the
creative talk off because he's top creator. But that wasn't
what it was, but the fans received it that way.
When he went it at Charlemagne, y'all cleared out twenty
thirty minutes and you don't own that, and I own this,
and you work for Iharden.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
But see that back to the Charlema thing, and that's
why I had an issue. And it's again love Charlott Main.
I think he's amazing in our culture, some amazing things.
But the reason I had an issue with Charlemagne was
because when Old Boy went up there to to promote
the show that he had on Revolt at the time,
they kept talking about the podcast deal like they just

(50:18):
wanted to know how much the deal was, this, that,
and the third, and Charlemagne said, oh yeah, well I
think that they should have only been getting this amount.
He said that on the show, they should only be
getting this amount. You're like, he spoke on how much
money I should be receiving. But add that to the

(50:39):
fact that now we never got the account. So you
see how words become powerful, especially when it becomes comes
from figures in the coaches.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
That have a lot. Okay, okay, I get it. So
it's like while you were that you were fighting to
get your real worth. It's like, Homie, I'm you justifying
daddy chumping me right, I see you're giving validation to
somebody trying to steal.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
And now you're putting what you think I should. You
putting what you think my price is on me, Like
we're from the streets. You can't tell me what I
no matter how much I buy my work from you,
it don't what I sell it for it you ain't
got nothing to do with you as long as.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Shit.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
So now how you telling somebody what you think they
should be given what my cut is? And then now
fast forward, I can't even get accounting.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
So I'm fighting for my real value. Now then you try,
you telling somebody that was a voice in the cold,
I don't let voice. You got a company you cutting checks?
So they said well, another bout say, y'all owner should
be getting this much. So I'm justified in what I'm.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
And then I'm gonna go deeper than that. I don't
know what you're saying behind closed doors if my name
comping those rooms now, right, I don't know if my
name they didn't know you were fighting for the man.
And that's why I'm not mad at Charlamagne. But I
felt some type of way about that because it was
was like, Nigga, I'm the new dude on the block.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
You get it.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
I'm humble. I don't you know what I'm saying. I don't, Okay, fine.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
But for you to say that, first of all, you
don't never speak on what you think another man should
be making.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
Number one, let the girls do that right.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Number two, It's like, I don't know if my name
come up behind those doors in them buildings now in
our heart and somebody say, yo, the mall dude from
the from the podcast, Yo, what you think. I don't
know what you're saying now, Yo. We think we want
to give him a show, We think we think about
give him like four million. I don't give him eight hundred.

Speaker 5 (52:33):
Thousand, right, Yeah, and that'll make you think that if
you'll say that on Mike on the Breakfast, you'll say
that behind closed doors for sure.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
So that's why I felt the way towards him. But
you know that ship is over with man.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
I'm not Yeah, Charlemagne, like I said, Man, I know
he's disappointed in Joe. Even when we talk about the.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Was gonna happen. He said it when he was on.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
He knew y'all was gonna happen, but he didn't know
he was gonna turn on him. See, you gotta remember
Joe winning got Charlemagne too, he proceeds. I know how
Joe got his audience. Some of that come from asks,
some of that come from y'all, some of that come
from Charlemagne. They all gave him access to the audience
that he won't what it looks like giving anyone else
access to. So when you went and got Charlemagne, you

(53:18):
gotta remember the pull up happened. Who was there? You
got Casanova. I don't hear brush say free Casanova respectfully.
He went and got Casanova because he was into it
with Takashi. You gotta rewind what's happening right when he
got Casanova. Mayino. These are people who were on the
first little pull up thing. Charlemagne was the biggest name

(53:40):
right that was giving you. He was stamping you, like
when you would do your end of the year, Charlemagne
to come do it. This was helping your brand, bro,
this was helping you. And I think that Charlemagne didn't
think that. Damn, he didn't start shooting at me too.
He knew that he'll keep fucking with Marvel, Rory, you
your ed Gres. It's like he felt that everybody felt

(54:02):
that you. He looked at you in a different light.
He felt he felt different about.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
It because our relationship was different, you know what I mean,
Like it was a it was a lot of years there,
and you know he could say what do you want
about it now? And you know certain things I'm hearing
him say now, I know that he's that's just his
way of like being all the way trying to just
throw anything at the fire now and it's like, bro,
none of that is gonna stick. Cut it out, you
know what I mean, Like you can you can feel

(54:28):
however you feel, because you know, I decided not to
let you just shit on Rory and I called you
out on your bullshit and you was wrong, and we
know you were stealing, and and you're mad because I
call you every time your name is brought up in
my presence. Yes, he's a thief.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
You still won't say his name, man, That that says
a lot.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
I will never say his name.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
That says a lot. Nah.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
But that's I'm just I'm you you hurt man. No,
it's not that I'm hurt. I'm not how you won't
say his name then, because I don't even want. I
don't because it's not about it's about the situation. It's
not about him. It's about the situation and what happened
in the show and the company and everything that we had.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
But it's not about him. I don't have. It's no beef,
it's none of that. I don't.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
It's what I'm saying, disappointment. That was your guy. I
thought you had love for that.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Yeah that I've been locked up with that nigga. So
it was love then, look what happened.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
But that's what I'm saying. But it was only love
on one side.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
It's fucked up. It was love for me.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Anytime, anytime anybody you know has a relationship with me,
I have a relationship with somebody like you know, you
see you look around me. I got a lot of
dudes that I've known since I was nine, ten eleven
years old still around me to this day because I'm
the same person I've been my entire life, Like I've
always shown love, always shown respect, you know what I'm saying,

(55:48):
Always kept in a hunting with niggas. Like if you
see niggas that and I'm no longer fuck with them,
and you you find out what happened. It's not me, Homie,
I don't know what you battling. In turn, like I
said with Homie, I know it's an ego thing. He
always wanted to be that guy. And that's why I
respectfully just moved out the way and let him have it.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
I'm not going to.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Believe if he always wanted to be that guy, for sure,
most rappers want to be that guy for sure.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
And that's that's why I said, And that's that's fine.
I'm not gonna get in the way of what you
see for yourself. If you feel like I'm in the
way of that, I'll step out the way.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Homie. I'll let you have it.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
I'm not gonna argue with you. I'm not gonna battle you.
I'm not gonna go to court and try to sue
you and unders and if you and this is another thing,
rewind the tape, he set.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Out his mouth. If we try to start the show
south Yard, yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
You know what I'm saying. So you gotta these are
the things that you know.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
I'm just like, you know, the listeners and the supporters
are very they they lose sight of a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
But it's like just rewinded tapes.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
I can imagine y'all being disappointed. If you're asking for accounting,
then cash up, Logo pops up, then the network pops up,
then Spotify. Thing you know is already happened.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
But in his mind, they only wanted to do a
deal with him. Well, I'm a partner, he didn't feel like.
He didn't feel like it was because of the podcast.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
It's the same fight he was saving a complex.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
It's the same fight he was having with Shady and
the slaughter House group. He asked, He asked pauling them
for accounting.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
So I don't understand it.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
I know you thought you're not.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
You're not gonna understand it because it's gonna the gold
Post is gonna move when it has to do with
him and and him having it having to show his character.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Did the network start while y'all were y'all were still there, right, Yes, yeah,
y'all catwork. The network was y'all show.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
The network is literally just his YouTube channel. It's serious, bro,
The network is literally because again a lot of people
didn't know.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
We didn't. So what about the funding of the other shows?
When he paid you know, shout out Karen? He paid Karen,
when he paid Mandy?

Speaker 4 (58:13):
Did he pay it where you Where do you think
that money came from?

Speaker 1 (58:16):
And I know, but did he pay him?

Speaker 4 (58:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Okay, but you're saying that the podcast was the network.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
It was the anchor. If it's no, if there's no podcast,
there's no none of the other ship.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
No, for sure, it was the anchor. We definitely came do.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
So this is what I'm trying to say, is you
know the networking or it's just a YouTube channel, homie
that was built off of the podcast. But in his mind,
because he had that YouTube channel, since he had his
videos up there, that's why he didn't want to pay
us on the YouTube.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
That's fun.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
We can go back we can go back and look
on YouTube. You can literally see what videos bringing in,
what money.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Monetizing, Yeah, and that's what makes them great. So it's like, okay,
tell you when subscribe was spiked, tell you all of that.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
I feel like this is your chair onl you started
this back in the early two thousands.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Just not even count all that.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
We keep that over there because we know what that
was bringing. Let's just be honest, starving. But once you
start putting this podcast on there, we're looking.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
At a little something coming in there. Just what was
the conversation about not being paid from video? So and
my understanding is correctly, he only monetized. He only paid
you guys to monetize the audio. He did not pay
all for the video.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
I didn't get nothing from YouTube.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
I don't know a deal like that. I've never heard of.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Of course you don't.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
You don't get nothing from the video and your talent
on camera, you're recording me but not getting me nothing
from video. It's crazy, Joe, I gotta talk to you
about that.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
All of the things that we humbly said, okay.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
When y'all asked for video money or hey, what's up
with what? What was the conversations. Then his manager said, no,
it's not happened. He's not paying there for that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
He said, okay, no problem, humbly, ain't no problem. This
is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
How long you He didn't even say that money I'm
giving you no counts as the video. No no, no, no,
no no.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
You're not getting paid from video at all.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
That's wow. That's he's and you're monetizing it in my face.
You got six cameras in my face is wow. And
my face is still up there and y'all and you know,
Fred Taylor, I believe got a law, a settlement of
some sorts. I think he was talking about like him
and Be did some business to like Yo, I need
some of that for sure. I'm gonna take that down. Yeah,

(01:00:40):
you know what I'm saying. He said, Well, I take
that back. He said he didn't want to take it down,
and Be probably be gonna just cut the check.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
But that's you know, their relationship is probably different, and
it's probably not too much ego between those two gentlemen,
or it's not, you know, they probably it's just they're
not dealing with the type of person I will be
dealing with if I tried to do that, so you
know what again, But the important thing was it was
all for the culture and us building what we were building,
and Rory and myself didn't want.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
To interrupt that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Man, so we dealt with a lot. Man's like, that's head, yeah,
but this is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
So I got six cameras in my face monetizing twice
a week on YouTube and telling me you're not paying
me as wild.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
But we did it because we saw the value and
we didn't want to disrupt it because we like then
we see that, and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
He would always say, you gotta stop worka mm hmm.
I'll ask you what I asked Fred when y'all left
the show? Were you trying to tank the show?

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
See when we left, when we left, right, I had
Uh it was because he had told Rory not to
come in, and you know I didn't like that, and
then I showed up at the studio and you know,
we had to talk. And then when he told me
it was none of my business to me, it was
over with at that point because I can't unhear you that,
you know, and I can never sit down in the
room with you and act like, excuse me, act like

(01:02:05):
you didn't say that. So when I left at that point,
I told Rory, I said, yea, it's over. You know,
he said what he said, and I can't. I can't
sit down in the room with that dude after that,
not not not him saying that and then not knowing
everything that we agreed not to get paid from and everything,
knowing everything we built.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
It's just like, all right, enough is enough?

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Like you just it's like, you're not gonna we took
a small percentage to begin with, the percentage that nobody
would have agreed to, and we're not getting paid on YouTube.
And then now you're stand in my face and tell
me this is none of my business when I'm paying
the taxes on the money that's coming in.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
So for me, it was done there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Rory begged me to have a meeting once he got back. Uh,
So we all went to his house and sat down
and talked.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
And he agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
He said, yeah, we're gonna, you know, gonna get the
account and right, get the account and sent to your people.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
Da da da da da.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Let's all go to our corners and we're gonna get
everything right, and then we'll come back and you know, we'll, we'll, we'll,
we'll reconvene and move forward.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
Like we just take a pause. Everybody go to their corner,
all right, cool.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Next thing, I know, three days later, he got these
two new dudes recording an episode. And I'm like, we
just had a talk at your crib and you said
we're gonna take some a week off and get all
the paperwork right and then we'll reconvene. Now, all of
a sudden, you got two new dudes sitting in there.
It's like, all right, cool man. That was a slap
in the face at that point. I mean, I was
done anyway, so it didn't matter, only because Rory, you know,

(01:03:28):
kept talking to me and kept begging me to, you know,
try to make it right.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
All right, cool.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
And then when we were supposed to get we ended
up going back and we did two episodes. And in
that time of that two episodes, we only did that
because we were being told that the accounting was being
done and was on the way right, and that Friday
was supposed to be when the accounting was going to
be sent. And then when that Friday came, his manager

(01:03:56):
reached out and was like, yeah, he said that that
is the accounting and that he's not sending nothing else.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
It's literally what he said.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
He said that the accounting that the one hundred and
forty thousand dollars mistake was on was the accounting and
he's not sending.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
That at even straight. That's crazy, that's wow. So so
niggas is crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
But this is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
But then, but then you got YOURRRR, your manager in
the room when we don't show up and you're yelling
at Rory's fired and all this I hear his manager toboy,
I told you you was paying the more than they
was more than you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
Supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Who because we went and got a motherfucking a multi
million dollar deal from serious XM.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
So who was he overpaying?

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Right? Because he said that he was being more generous
than he should have been and all of that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
I remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Yeah, how does he know? And he not a partner
and you don't know or is he a partner too?

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
The manager?

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yeah, he's he know what he he know what he's taking.
He know he know the money that's being stolen, he
knows that. Bring the paperwork. We don't have to do
none of this ever again, right, right, right, right, should
account show I would shoulder, I would show he can't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Yeah he can't, I will, I would show it he can't.
That's why I never heard you speak about why y'all
didn't start a podcast, why y'all were there, or spin
off or speak to some of those narratives that people say, Yo,
they didn't create the value outside of sitting on camera

(01:05:24):
with him.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
We didn't, because when I'm looking at it, we did.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Yeah, especially when y'all I'm talking about why y'all were there.
But in my opinion, I would say, well, damn they
they were fighting for the money from what they were doing.
I don't see how you can create something while you're
still saying, hold up, I ain't properly paid for. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
See that's the thing again, people don't. I don't know
how clear we you know, we talked about this a
few times, right, just for like the creators. If you
have a you're starting to show with your homies in
a basement, you know it ain't no no money involved,
no nothing, and y'all building something and y'all look up
one day and y'all got a fucking audience and people
tuning in, and you know, now you know people are

(01:06:05):
starting to reach out and things like that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
You see it now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Now it's becoming a business, and y'all have a contract
with each other and say, okay, this is the percentage
that we're gonna split. This is how we're gonna bust it.
Whatever bag comes. This is how we busting it down.
Right now, when the bag comes and you don't see
the numbers that's coming in, and you don't see what's

(01:06:27):
being paid in and paid out, you don't know what
if you get in your like it's like home me
hold on. Before any of this became a thing, we
had this contract, right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
But again, you're talking to somebody that has said that
they don't honor.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Contract, right, and then I've seen when you said it
back to him, and then he didn't receive that the
same way.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
Of course he can't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Because anything if you tell somebody like listen, this is
something that you said, and then now you're moving like
this is something you said, and they know that, the
people gonn look at you like, oh, that's fucked up.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Of course you're gonna try to act like you never
said that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
It's like, bro, I'm not I would never sit here
lived about anybody. You're on camera saying that before plenty
of times you've done business like that with people.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
Plenty of times.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Like it's not something I'm just saying where I fucked
up at And it's again the type of man and
my mother raised treat people the way you want to
be treated.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
So because I would never do that to him, right,
benefit that to me? You you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
So it's a it's a lesson learned. And you know,
to other creatives out there, you know, just be careful man,
because you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Know and no know what it sounds like. You know
know what it looked like, what it feels like. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
And the more important, something don't feel right. It's something
not right right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
And when I when I when I look at it
and think about y'all, sometimes I say to myself, that
was one of the best shows ever to be created, man,
And it was that podcast was so youstry, the depth
of it, the time y'all put in it, man, to
just evolve, it was amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
We had some great, great great times last some great
ship but you know, unfortunately, like we've seen time and
time always bro, you know that money come into play man,
and break the pool balls.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
It just it's you know, but that's it's a deeper
thing with us when it comes to money and things
like that. It's just something that we can't get past.
Like we just always feel like we got to do
each other dirty or do each other wrong when when
money come in, because you know, for some of us
we've never had. But but to me it's the opposite,
Like I I can't do you dirty behind something I

(01:08:41):
never had because it's like I don't I.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
Never had it. I'm not missing that ship. I never
had it. Right, So when you do me dirty for
some ship that you never had, it's with super weird.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Say Nigga, we never even had that type of money,
Like why would you do your man dirty for that
type of money when you never had it? So it's like, Nigga,
what does it matter? You was able to survive this
long without the type of money, right understand, So to do.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
It's just weird. Man. And then, like I said, I've
seen how things look when now on this side, when
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Business is done, you're more happy now.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
Oh my god, this you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Me and Rory are doing man is again we were
moving at our own pace, were creating at our own pace,
were doing business at our own pace.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Man, it's beautiful man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
And you know, traveling the world doing these shows and
getting out here touching the people and having these one
on one conversations with people that tune in and support weekly.
It's humbling, man. You know, it's humbling to go to
the UK and people that that's a big move. Yeah, man,
I mean, you know how long y'all been on y'all loan?

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Not even that long to.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
Be a September a year?

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
What? Yeah? One year? One year and you in London
And that's fucking dope, man. I mean, man, if he's
other podcast, niggas don't salute that. I salute that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
But that's why I'm sitting here with you for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
You know a lot of niggas don't fuck with me, man,
I think because they you know, people don't fuck with
you when they see everything that they're.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Not in you, right, and they intimidated me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Yeah, It's like you know when they hear me talk
and say, oh, you know these niggas suckers that they
know I'm talking to them, but I don't know that
because I don't know how to exactly, so you know
a lot of niggas don't. You know, they don't they
don't speak to me, and they don't you know what,
They talk crazy about me behind clubs. And it's like, man,
if y'all niggas only knew, Man, I show love, sure,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Like, I ain't got it. I ain't got it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
You know, I'm not gonna get with over though podcast
money ship. I don't care about that, man. So you know,
I'm just me, man. And and like I said, with
me and Rory are doing is beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
You know, we're having a lot of fun with this ship, man.
And I promise we got so much ship that we're
putting together, man, and that we were gready to jump into.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
Man. And it's it's gonna be you know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
We the people see it though, They see what we're
carving out, and they see the lane we were going
into for sure. And you know, we we have the
we have the right people supporting us. We got the
right people behind us, you know. Shout out to U
t A, shout out to Rich Paul Agent, Orn bigs
Benner hip Hop.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
You know, we got the right We got the right
people behind us.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Sure, how strong is their brotherhood between you and Ma.
Did that make y'all strong? I'm sorry you and Rory?
How strong is their brotherhood between you and Rory? Did
that make y'all strong? Going through that?

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Oh? Yeah? Absolutely? Man.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
You know it's like I said, Rory or not myself. Now,
we just sometimes we don't even have to talk. We'll
look at each other. We just know what it is
on the top. Yeah, like, man, here we go with
this ship. But more importantly, we just we just know
what we ain't going for. You know, no holes, just
like we're not even entertaining that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
You know, when I look back at it too, I
want the young creators to pay attention to This is
a very important situation. You guys operated in a certain way,
holding on to information that you didn't have accounting, that
money was coming in at some point in time, and
even if it had stopped coming in, there's logos popping up,
there's Patreon, but there's certain things happening, and we're still

(01:12:19):
waiting on accounting from a couple of years ago, and
so that led to frustration. But you guys operated with
that information as best as you know how. And everybody
talks about y'all and how y'all acting on camera, and
maybe y'all wordiness enthused that they thought you should have
been or involved as they thought you should have been.

(01:12:40):
But nobody ever talks about how Joe responded to when
y'all had the conversation with Parks about something ain't going right.
I think Parks when it said something which Joe responded
in a.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Way that was, oh, that's when he told Rory you
not to come in.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
This is a problem. Now as the boss, how you
handle that information is very important, right, You don't come
emotional like that as the boss.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
You keep but the emotion was there because see what
it ultimately was. We were in the studio and you know,
Rory and myself were like thereafter Homie had left, and
the staff started talking to us because they weren't comfortable
talking to him because whenever they talked to him about

(01:13:31):
things that's bothering them or you know, money or being
paid or things like that, it's always met with anger
and yelling and things like that. With us, they know
the energy is different, so they decided to start having
a conversation with us and and and voicing some of
their discrepancies. So we was like, oh, We're like, oh shit,

(01:13:51):
we didn't even know that that was happening, Like all right,
Will And then you know Parks being who you know,
he's friends with homies men, and you know, he decided
to after that meeting to call him and tell him, Hey,
some of the guys are not happy. And I guess
Homie felt like that was Rory's dealing, but it wasn't right.
So when he told Rory not to come in, it

(01:14:13):
was based on because he felt like Rory had started
a meeting and he didn't. We was just there and
we left the studio late, and the guys decided to
kick it with us about the situation.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Some they felt the way about it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
It's not our fault that they're comfortable talking to us
about these things.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Right, and he and see people never said, yo, Joe,
you overreacted to getting information that your people are unhappy
as the boss, nigga, what you think I'm supposed to
do with my family? Come tell me they unhappy?

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
But you know why, because he felt like he wasn't
in the room so he couldn't spend narratives and dance
when people start saying what they unhappy about. He felt like, no,
I need to be in there, because.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
He said he felt it was cowardly. He don't understand it.
No matter what you your family unhappy. So at this point,
as the boss, as the father, as the head that
you say you is, you're supposed to take that situation
and comb through it and not come back and say.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
You only only that's nervous energy. When somebody start acting
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
And you know, found the gold Knag, I thought, I stand.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
That's what that's all. It's nervous energy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
It's like, oh, ship, and they start confirming to you like, oh,
I'm from where I know what this means, and you
won't show me. Of course, man, I'm putting two and
two the game.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
So not only not only are we not we know
we getting fucked, but now even the staff I feel
like they getting fucked.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
Oh yeah, we know what this is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
And and that's why for me, it was whack for
Parks to take that stance, because Parks knows and I've
said that on two Parks he's he's had and and
and that bothered me because when when we had our
meeting outside at Park's crib, he pulled Parks outside and

(01:16:02):
he asks Parks, he said, yo, do me and you
have any money issues or business issues and Park said no,
without putting Park's business out there, that's a lie of
known Parks. Parks has engineered and recorded records that he
hasn't been paid.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
For ever, and he's voiced that right. He's he's recording
multiple shows and he's getting paid a Sundar.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
So you say he's in two D.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
He just he's in too deep And I understand it,
and I'm not mad.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
We don't he Do you think he got the talent
that you and Road ricat though.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
As far as personality, yeah, I don't know. I don't
know if that's Park.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
On do you think I'll rephrase the question because he's
played off camera so long, does he have the ability
to pivot in the way that y'all did because y'all
faces were so recognizable by being on camera for five years.
I have a hun it was.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
I think that Parks is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
I think that he's super talent, that he's super he's
super smart when it comes to music. He's like a
super nerd. And I say that respectfully. You know he
he's a hip hop head, very talented. I don't know
if I don't know if he wants to be a personality.
I think that his passion more so is in the

(01:17:21):
music mixing, uh you know, playing, you know, I think
that's where his passion lies. I don't know if his
passion is I think that the podcast just fell into
his lap. But I don't think that he uh, he
wants to be a personality, quote unquote, I don't think
that's what he wants. I think that he would rather
be creating music and mixing and recording music at a

(01:17:45):
high level for for some some really really high.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
Art, high level artists.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
And he'll be comfortable there, oh, because he's a that's
his that's and that's that speaks to why he was
comfortable off camera.

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
But and that and you know, and that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
He should play into that and he has he did
play into which is why that it was the blend
we had was perfect because it was literally real relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Like so and then parks, like I said, being uh,
the the just the the the ear that he has
and for the sound and how the show should sound
and things like that, and just mixing it and you know,
audio wise, the show sounded amazing, you know what I mean.
So I think that that's where his strength is. I
just think again, he's just he's a little into deep

(01:18:32):
personally and business wise right now with with everything that
he can't really voice his his frustrations and and things
like that. But he's he's married. Now, congrats, I didn't
you know, I didn't speak to him since that day.
I haven't spoken to anybody over there, So congrats to him.
And again, I want to be very clear, it's no
beef with anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
Life is amazing, Life is beautiful, My car is beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
You selling that ship, yeah, I mean we you know,
it's it's it's who I am, man, It's I'm im.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
You can teach how to fish in there. You went
and got the information.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Yeah, And that's why I'm here.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Most importantly, man, I want creators to know, like you're
gonna run in the roadblocks, it's always gonna be some
ship in the game that's gonna you know, tell you, yo,
fuck this ship, just you know walk away right?

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Nah? Yeah? How to identify some of these ship.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
Just I'm just telling you what to watch out for,
what to be careful for. It's gonna happen. I don't
care how long you feel like Homies was homies and
this that and the third when you know you you
want to know who your friends are. Put some money
on the table.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Man, it's gonna expose it everything.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
It's gonna expose it every time. And then you're gonna
see what somebody think about you. You're gonna see how
much they feel you worth.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
It's you know, go to the bathroom, you're gonna come back.
That pile won't look a little.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
You're gonna put something in the pocket.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
It's crazy, man, It's like, you know, you start seeing
like these was the homies and you know that's life.
That's a that's just a life lesson. That's why I said,
you know it's it's no, it's no, it's no. It's
no hard feelings for.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
No one ever see y'all make it up. Nah, it's
over with.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
Yeah, I'm cut from a different type of texture too.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
And then, like I said, he started saying too much
after that, where it was like, you know, homie, we
know you stole money, Like you can start trying to
create these narratives all you want, and we don't have
no resume, and you coddled.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
Coddle to me, you coddled me. Niggas you crazy like
niggas that know me, yo. You know, it's funny like
people that really know us.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
And then they heard that, they was like, oh yeah,
he just he gonna do anything but just tell he
gonna start saying anything but the truth at this point.
And that's why I'm just like, you know, you coddled me,
Like all right, man, Like, if that's the that's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
What's the nature of the relationship. When did you like? What?
What is he what? What makes him even say that?

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
I guess because uh, like I was, you know, the
house that he was running. I say he needed help, Well, well, yeah,
I mean he needed help on he always had roommates
and things like that, which is not you know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
It's not a bad thing, but it's it's it's rough
to identify that as you know, coddling somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
If that's what that means in his and in his mind.
I feel like he felt like I had to live
with him, like I was homeless or something.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
I don't know what type of story he's trying to
create to justify his uh him stealing and or him
doing whatever he did.

Speaker 4 (01:21:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
I don't really care, but the facts are the facts,
and he know what the facts are, Like Homie cut
it out, like you know, it was never that, you know,
it wasn't that you you know, you know me very well.
I was never without anything. If I want something, I
had it or I would go get it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Like, you know, I think if y'all wanted to tank
the show, like if y'all wasn't really trying to like
make it work, that y'all wouldn't even done that Patreon
like show up over there at all. Because in my opinion,
and I said this when I was speaking to Beat Marshall,
one of the biggest tricks or one of the biggest

(01:22:02):
coincidence coincidences I'll say in podcasting is Joe Budden was
able to transfer that audience before y'all left, right, he
was able to take all of that interest that he
had number one that didn't get the deal and ball
behind his creator talk and transferred that behind that paywall,
and then y'all left. Now, granted, when y'all left, I

(01:22:25):
imagine some of the people left too, but he was
some of those people stayed to be nosy that just
stayed anyway, Like so he was able to that transfer
of that audience was so fucking important. Why didn't Well,
I guess because y'all wasn't trying to take the show,
do you what I mean? How many episodes did y'all
do on Patreon? Maybe two one?

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
I think the deal was signed in January. In the
February March is when we left.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Did you know about the deal before he announced that?
How how long did you guys know about the deal
before you're announced?

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
Uh? Maybe a couple of weeks and didn't even that deal? Like,
I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
I'm I remember he came in and was talking about
something he was paying us in crypto or something like that,
and then come to find out the deal we were
we were supposed to get. I think more than that, Bro,
I'm telling you, it's so much ship that I'm I'm
more than positive that we were old.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
But you know, I got people that called me every week.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
You know why you ain't, why you ain't soon go
get your fucking money. Don't let him take that money
like that. That's a lot of millions of dollars. But
I'm just like, Bro, I don't I'm just so different, man,
you know, I'm just a different type.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
And you know what, Like I said, I pointed out
their principal move you made that say that's say a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
Yeah, man, like I don't want to sit in no courtroom.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
And and man, I stopped fucking with my famous homeboy.
Who would have who would have kicked the white boy
at the car kept me in the car? I stopped
fucking with him because he wasn't keeping it solid about
the situation. That man. Come on, and if Joe can't
argue with that bro that's got that says something, Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
And that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
He knows me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
He I'm the same dude that sat in the cell
because you had pills in the car. I sat in
the sell with you for a weekend. Come on, man,
I never I don't pop pills.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Come on, your behalf.

Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
Man. I sat there with you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
I was, I was sitting the screen, man, I was.
I was always that guy like I don't. I don't
because I know. See, you know what it is when
you know who you are and you secure within yourself comfortable,
You're comfortable. And not only that, you know that if
I really start getting my ship off in here, these
niggas gonna get upset.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
I can get thirty easy.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
They gonna they gonna get mad. They gonna get mad.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
It's like, now you know, I set the screen, but
then it's like, you know, when I start getting my
ship off, you look like you set in the.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Screen, but you really pushing it. It's like you're really
coming out, you really pushing that yourself. I'm still getting off,
but it's like you ain't.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Really and I'm on to you as I'm still I'm
still knocking them down.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
See, And it's like, so you know, you gotta be
very And that's to these creatives.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Man, you gotta be very careful of how much you
show and when you show it, because when people see
what you really got, they'll close them doors.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Man. Sure, And that's what that's what I find like,
even with somebody like Joe. I know, everybody around Joe
and all them people they say, you know, man, I'm
gonna tell you, man, we're gonna get I'm like, yo,
I don't. I don't see him ship light on anything
that he doesn't benefit from, right, So I don't see
him shit. And even I tell you what I heard

(01:25:58):
him say one time, he said he went to dinner
with a creator and the creator ask him how do
I get ads? And he said, you want me to
tell you how to get ads? And I to spend
all my life doing this and you want me to
just pass you the information? And I'm like, yeah, that's
what the big Homie's supposed to do, right. So what
happens is That's what I'm saying. And it hurts. It

(01:26:18):
hurts the young creators because he talked so much creator talk.
You see what I'm saying right now? You know, I
think I think you know, you know, like I said,
he has this unique I'll give him this. He has
this unique ability to take his friends and or do

(01:26:39):
a podcast amongst his friends that translates good on camera.
I'm not sure if everyone can do that, right. I
think that what he what he's doing now is different
than what he did then. I think that when I
look at the show that he has now, if you

(01:27:00):
you said you don't watch it at all? No, damn,
I was gonna ask you, Uh, do you do you
even think that them dudes are good at pod? Do
you think?

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
But I mean, I know those dudes, I know, I
know Ice is, you know, he he's he's in tune
with a lot of the music, a lot of the
new music that's out here with the young the younger generation.
He's always been that that dude. He's always been the
music dude that just listen to every guy just because
you know music. Don't mean you can pond know that's
that's true, but it is a h he's a he's

(01:27:30):
a he's a he's a smart guy. Yeah, he's he's
well spoken, he's articulate, you know. But I think I
think that what he's trying to do is recreate the
fact that there's a lot of years, there a lot
of history amongst them, so reach that, trying to reach that,
which is which is important in podcasts, and having the chemistry,
having a real relationship with people that helps.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
I just think that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
I just think that they are kind of like, I know,
ish more than anybody's looking them a little funny, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
I don't he don't buy down to him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
I give him that, Oh yeah no, because it's just
he's he's he's very strong, opinionated.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
He's an opinionated guy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
But I think more importantly, I think that you know,
it has a history with him as well, where it's
like watching I'm watching you like I know, because if
if you did it, if you did it the mall,
you definitely do it. But you're gonna try to do
it with me, and it's gonna happen. A zebra, a
zebra can't change the stripes, man, A player can't change

(01:28:31):
his game and the knife in it, you know what
I mean. It's just a matter of I think. The
only reason why it hasn't happened yet it'll be too obvious,
you know what I mean. So it's going it's gonna
drag out a little longer because it'll be too obvious
at this point, but it's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (01:28:47):
It's gonna happen. I'm already. I'm already hearing things.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
I'm already hearing what he was trying to pay those
guys to go into him.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
I'm already here. What happened to that? That too? Would wait?
I don't know, man, too, wouldn't the funk away? I
know that about tickets? They send me my money back?

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Yeah, I don't know, man, you know, like I said,
I don't. I don't know what's going on over there.
You know, it's Rory and Maul for over here.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
I'm coming to the show to marow too.

Speaker 4 (01:29:14):
Man, pull up, We're gonna have fun.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Listen.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
That's the that's the beauty about this thing. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
We uh, we just were moving around and we were
trying to just like I said, you know you you
DM me. I've been watching you. I've been seeing what
you do. I love your episode with a little baby.
That's the show that I you know, I'm super proud
of it. I came out here when he shot the
video with Saint John for Trap, and I told the
homies back in New York, I said, I said that
niggas official.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
I like the way a little baby move. I say,
he's official. I said, them niggas was inside that motherfucking truck.
They ain't get out until it was time to get say,
I say, yeah, them niggas is moving right for sure.
But but but seeing his documentary and then the interview
with you, and a few of the interviews that I
heard I heard, I just I fuck with him, man,
because you can just tell his.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Again you know, morals yeah, integrity.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Yeah, and he always on the right side of man.
You know, it's family. You know. He put me in
a hell of a position you know, to roll out
that album with me and number one album in the
world at the time, it's like reaching and giving me
that look. It's like, man, look you that shit you doing.
We gotta turn that up. And what's been happening here

(01:30:25):
is the coach is doing that and that's so important.

Speaker 4 (01:30:28):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
It's like, damn all right. So now you know I
always tell I always tell peeing baby like I'm in
debt with them for that, just on the strength of
they could have win anywhere in the world. Man, dude
can go anywhere in the world. Man, Not only did
they do that, they called me and said, put that
motherfucker out first, like days before we even start doing media.

(01:30:49):
You know what I'm saying, All of that so important.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
I'm like, damn, man, these are some real such that
goes back to what I'm saying. People are trying to
make it seem like that's IMpower all to do.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Na.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
This is coming from the dude that got the number
one hours you know what I'm saying, and he giving
you that look and saying put it out first.

Speaker 4 (01:31:07):
I wanted that to be the first look. You see
how simple that is. But when somebody want to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
They gonna do it. They're gonna do it, right, that's
why we'll get the companies and we'll get off all
of that. Just get into business and companies and shit.
That's why some of these companies they try to say
certain things like you'd be like, yo, you got to
have a budget, like we need some money. But some
of these companies, you know, they'll want to participate and
not really have act like they don't have a budget. Well,

(01:31:34):
a company can't find no money. Well, we don't know. Listen,
if this was jay Z in front of you, you're
a fan, some money, come on. If this was real
Ren Maull, who you know, just so eighteen hundred tickets
in the last three weeks. If this was Joe Budden,
if this was fucking But because it's me and you
don't know my reach, you're trying to say, hey, I
tell you what we'll do. We'll get you some ads,
right nawh fuck yah right, I already got money and

(01:31:57):
I'll reach out to the companies myself, exactly right, because
we have reach with each other. A company can't get
in touch with you in the way that I did.
A company couldn't get the little baby interview. A company
can't get bag meet Mial, company can't get Fred Taylor,
Brandon Marshall. You know, Andrew showed Charlemagne who up Wilo
Like no company is involved in that. So we got

(01:32:20):
to see the value from the company on what they
do for us, what y'all deal. Was there a cliff
value because I imagine y'all were paranoid or or either
had a cliff vision coming out of the situation with
Bro that are coming out of situation with him, where
y'all wanted to have a clear path as to what

(01:32:42):
y'all wanted to deal to look like. Do y'all have
the value that y'all want With Serious? Do you do
they understand y'all vision as well as the design people
that work with y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:32:52):
I think they do.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
I think that was why we went with Serious. You know,
we sat with our agent and the relation ship was there,
and then they understood what we wanted to do. And
and the one thing that they said they loved the
fact that, you know, what we were building. They wanted
to just be a part of it and they wanted
to help enhance it in any way.

Speaker 4 (01:33:10):
That they could.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
So that was why we chose to go with serious
because they just understood what we were doing and they
just believed in us. They believe in us.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
Do you do you for people like at who called
cap on the ten million dollar number? What what do
you say to that?

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
I never I don't know that dude.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
Yeah, well what did you say to the ten million
dollar number? Was that even a number? Y'all put that?
Where did they get that number from?

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
I think that announced number or reported number somewhe.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
No, I think I think what happened was, uh, my
brother Bigs, he had he posted a tweet when we
we had a photo shooting in interview. We did went
out and the picture we were smiling, we were laughing,
and I think Bigs his his thing was a this
is what a fresh ten million dollars look like?

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
Big yeah. So you know they that that kind of
is what people started running with. But it's not it's
not far from.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
That thing, right, shut out? And that's all I'm selling tickets.
They can cap on line. Oh yeah, they can act
like we're talking about who gets some tickets?

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
So, I mean we talked about who could just come
outside exactly period.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
Fox some tickets. Okay, you even go to the store
with this podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
And that's why I'm just like, you know, I'm still
trying to figure out what this online ship is, right,
because it's weird.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
I don't play this this game. So you know, when
dudes starts, I'm like, is he for real? It's like,
is it really on? If I see him? Is it
just for something?

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
They playing right? Because I don't know, and ain't nobody
else playing right?

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
So you know, dudes like that when he's talking and
you know, he said things and I'm just like, I
don't know this, dude, I don't so I don't know
what this is about him calling Cap on the ten million. Okay,
I can confirmed that it's definitely not far from that
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
And his part is a snooze fist. I'll say that
it's a fun but.

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
His but see, and this is another thing you got
to look out for.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Like, I like what you do because you sit down
with the right people, right, and you had the right conversations, right.
You know, dudes like him, he's just a he's a fan.
He just want to be affiliated in a round, right
whoever he think is cool? Because he's not right, So

(01:35:34):
you know when you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Say the same thing rich Homi Kwahn said, he was like,
I kind of went up with with a minute. It
was like, I know, we got a big platform, so
I go through that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Yeah, but I mean a big platform, you know McDonald
McDonald's a big brand.

Speaker 4 (01:35:47):
That ain't good food though, so.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
It's like just readily available.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
It's just yeah, it's just like that don't mean that's
good for you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
And you know, I always talk about them guys being
first people to do it. It ain't that they were chosen.
They were just here first. They just had a camera first,
had understanding the YouTube first, and so the they're familiar
to people. These guys don't have any context to anything.
They don't have any real equity in the culture.

Speaker 5 (01:36:18):
What what what?

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
What is what through a lot of these dudes. What
are they bringing?

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
What are they doing? The game? You're getting what you're
pulling from it?

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
And again I just don't I don't like when you know,
motherfuckers sit down and bring a lot of negative ship
because we come from that man and and that ain't
nothing to play with. That ain't nothing to try to
you know, throw fuel on that fire, because you know
it's you know, it's just not it's not something that

(01:36:49):
I want to even.

Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
Try to entertain because it's just I know what that is,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
So that's why I said, when you know, I heard
a lot of these dudes talking greasy, I don't understand
it because it's like, number one, I don't talk greasy
about y'all right, and then number two, I don't play
that game because.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
If I see you now it's supposed to happen, right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
I don't know how to gauge this thing, like because
now if I go to a place where you're like nah,
but it was just I'm like, but I don't know
that because I don't play like that. I'm fron of
somebody talking about, you know, suck my dick and all
this other.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
You going five, it's like, bro, you But see if
there's an old saying that people who never tasted war
always want to get it going. See, they ain't never
had to deal with the results of that exactly, They
ain't never had to lay in their bed, so they
instantly want to Oh man, Like I was just seeing
they put rappers against each other, and it's just it'd

(01:37:48):
be so much ship. I'd be like, yo, they can
go to war man somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
Yeah, you at the house and you're playing Game Switch
ten hours a day. I don't understand it, and that's
why can't I can't support that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
I'm happy that a black man is able to, you know,
make a living right and support his family.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
Support it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
So but at what costs, right.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
And get around some niggas to get some game because
you bullshitting and you done had all this audience. Ain't
done nothing with it. This man said they had a
podcast a year, granted they had a brand moving into it,
but they on tour, already been in the UK, probably
the sold x amount of shirts, this amount of product
on this amount of people on Patreon, that like it's
it's shit happened, and here you is with an audience.

(01:38:32):
Ain't done nothing with it this seven year just sitting
there on Twitch drunk.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
And still ain't and still can't come up as.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
A party in the industry building process. This a new industry.
Billionaires would be created, these niggas getting drunk. I don't
even get it. Bro speaking of that, look at yate,
let's talk about that. What yay to me? It seemed
like like I just tell you he trying to break
the chain. Yeah, Now how far did he go for that?

(01:38:58):
How much did he risk that? Is? Can he come
back from that?

Speaker 4 (01:39:05):
See?

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
The thing is, and what I don't think Kanye, excuse me, ya,
I don't think what ye factored in is that Black
people we are so unorganized, we are so inorganized, and
I don't think that enough of us are gonna back
Yay and support Yay. Right, you know, but he's kind

(01:39:25):
of been all over the place with his message too. Yeah,
he's been a little all over because you know, I
think Kanye Yay has this thing where he's I think
that he you know, I've always said it. I don't
think he's a mean spirited person. I don't think he's
a hateful person. I just think that he's very emotional
and I think that he speaks without any regard of

(01:39:49):
who feels a type of way about it, right, And
I think that when you somebody that caters to the public,
when you've made your richest off of selling to the public,
whether be clothing or you know, music or whatever, you
have to factor in who you're hurting in the public

(01:40:10):
when when you speak. But I think that he has
made some valid points. I think that some of his
points I'm still trying to figure out and and understand.
But again, I think the important part is, Uh, here's
a man who obviously feels some type of way about

(01:40:30):
something about the way he's been treated, about the way
business is being done, the fact that his money is
no good in the bank.

Speaker 4 (01:40:40):
All of a sudden, it was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
Yeah, you know, I look at it like this, Right,
we all need to be held accountable for days if
we cross the line or do something.

Speaker 4 (01:40:49):
Yeah, that's man ship.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
Yeah, that's man ship. But at the same time, the
universe is perfect. So why they're canceling Kanye for being
anti Semitican saying things that he shouldn't have said in
the eyes of those people that been through those things
were on the other side saying But on Twitter, they
the word nigga usage is up five thousand percent. It

(01:41:11):
ain't nobody in the uproar, So what does language matter?
Does it matter only on this side, or does it
matter like because listen, the same that we know the
word nigga derives from us being disrespected. It ain't no
intend on that if it's up five thousand percent with
no records over there, but him saying I'm going death come,

(01:41:33):
which is a trick word. If you ask me, you
ain't got no business saying that word. What the fuck
is defense readiness? How you gonna be defending and ready?
It just seemed like a I don't even use that word.
So him going in the trick bag with the word,
or knowing what he was doing with the word, it
says to me, he offended them with that, but they
using nigga on Twitter and everybody quiet. It says to me,

(01:41:58):
what does language really matter?

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
But I think that's I think the important thing with
Yay is that he's starting a conversation about things that
are happening, things that are going on, and I think
that you know, sometimes again, when people don't want to
address the issue, they'll play semantics with words and hold
on to certain words and move the focus. All right,

(01:42:23):
I understand that, But the focus of what he's saying
he is addressing is this. I understand he may have
said some things that offended some people and that that
was wrong. Cool, we understand that, But let's get to
what he's really addressing here, Like key y'all proving his
point because y'all were able to take him from being

(01:42:45):
worth eight nine billion to now with four hundred million,
because y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
Said, so man, and that's so crazy, because you say
this what I noticed about Kanye, and it makes me
really be like, wow, he still ain't panic in the
eyes of our public. Every time he come out in public.
It's still be poker faith, you know, right, he knows
something we don't, right, And so I said, damn, hold on,

(01:43:11):
he ain't panicking and he stood on status. He would
come around us. I'm the richest black man. I'm the richest.
I'm the richest. They snatched that and he didn't panic,
so they say something he stood on. But I also
understood that he would stand on status with us. But
then when he talked to Piers Morgan, he would clarify,
I only got one hundred and twenty million in the bank.

(01:43:32):
So he understood what he was doing when he was
braggadocious and stood on their status. But by him not panicking,
says he has a plan. I don't know the plan.
I think he's trying to break the chain, but I'm
not understanding. Even speaking of deals, Adidas is saying that
they're gonna sell his shoe and not pay him. He

(01:43:52):
says in the contract, he's still supposed to get a
reduced rate. They gonna ignore the contract.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Because they can. But see, this is what I'm saying.
It's you know, bigger conversations to have. And that's what
I think the ultimate thing of him doing all of
this is is just to start having these conversations about
control and who has the control and who has the power,
and who are the creatives and who are the geniuses
and you know, we need to change some things, you

(01:44:21):
know what I mean, Like if we able to have
all this influence and all of this creative control around
the world and all the influence on culture, we should
be you know, paid for it. We should we should
have more ownership of it, we should have more rights
to it. And I think that's the ultimate uh gist
of his his his whole rant and the thing that

(01:44:43):
he's on right now is just you know, he's just
trying to wake people up to that, like, yeah, just
because they give you a hundred million, two hundred million
dollars to play this sport, you really generated six billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
And Faara Kham made good points said, yo, when they
say you're big and and you really ain't, you don't
even see that money. They give you a whole bunch
of money you don't you can't touch, so they can't
take it like that, right, they can just press a
button and now you three hundred meters, they can just
take it. That ship is wild man.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
It's wicked, man, we really think about it. It's some,
it's some, it's some, it's you know again, that's you know,
that's that's.

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
A little further up the poll, like we ain't there yet,
but I coming, Oh, no, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
And and I love the fact that just these conversations
are starting because why not. Let's you know, and and again,
you know, when people don't want to have certain conversations
because certain truths shall be revealed, right, you know, But
when you're on the side.

Speaker 4 (01:45:39):
Of the truth, you want to have those conversations.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
You want to say, Yo, let's have them on your camera,
your camera, let's have in front of your people on
your side of the street.

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
Let's have it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
And then let's make it right, right, and let's grab
the information out of it, because we lead in the whole.

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
Yeah, we lead, and let's learn from it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
Like I'm I understand, I'm leading. That's why when I
had these conversations. I have them from from that perspective
because I know I was on the other side when
he was saying Spotify on. I'm like screaming at the
screen like them niggas want to be paid. Yeah, m like,
like I say, you could be screaming at your mother
about something and your girlfriend say, ain't no way, I'm

(01:46:16):
mad in him, right, He'll treat he. Yeah, you see
what I'm saying. So when you say fuck a contract
and I'm sitting next to you can't get accounting, it's
saying damn it. Saying fuck a contract. I know it
ain't meant for me, but it applied to me.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
It applies to me because I'm in it. Yeah, like
I think I said, you know, it's nothing that is
by accident.

Speaker 4 (01:46:36):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
Everything is uh, everything has its beautiful purpose, you know
what I mean. So I just you know, I learned
from everything. Everything is a learning a learning process for me.

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
I love learning.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
I love getting new information, you know, and I just
like applying it and moving forward and just growing and
watching myself. What do I look like a year from now?

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
Man? Y'all winning, y'all show winning.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
We building, man, We we more importantly, we just We
just growing man, as men, be growing as a as
a I me and our families, you know what I mean,
you know, just doing things we never thought we would do.
You know, I never thought that people would be waiting
for me in London, you know what I mean. Like
I'm a I'm a hoptown New York man. Like yeah,

(01:47:18):
like I just you know, it's it's it's a humbling experience, man,
a beautiful experience. But you know, it's just it's just
part of what I always knew, you know what I mean,
as far as like just staying solid, uh, you know,
standing on principals, standing on morals, being a being a
good person.

Speaker 4 (01:47:37):
And that's gonna resonate with somebody somewhere, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
And it may not turn into you know, a hundred
million views, but you know, if it turned into seven
hundred people in the theater in London, I'm happy, man.

Speaker 4 (01:47:50):
You want, Yeah, I want I'm happy.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
Man. I appreciate you coming back, man, I appreciate you
reaching out.

Speaker 5 (01:47:56):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:47:57):
You know, I'm glad we finally got got a chance
to connect. Love what you're doing. Brothers.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
You know, anytime you need anything from me, my platform
is your platform, and you know, just keep doing what
you're doing, because it's important to have real individuals in
this space and in this culture that are doing and
saying the right things but also standing on it, you
know what I mean. So when I see see brothers
like yourself doing things like that, you know I'm gonna
pull up no matter what you see. I came straight

(01:48:23):
to you by myself, you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
Man, whenever, whenever, Man, you know I'm dead whenever. Y'all
the show you're coming out tomorrow, Man, We're gonna have
some fun to maw. I appreciate you coming out, man,
Experienced Podcast, do something with that game it Yo, what up?
It's Big Loan, It's the Experienced Podcast. Tune in.

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