Feat Wack 100 - Wack 100 Breaks Silence! Exposes Big U Beef, Jim Jones–Tekashi69 Wiretap & Shocking Ray J Info, Suge Knight, tupac & Diddy - Part 1 - ITS UP THERE PODCAST W/LOONEY

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I want to spend a little bit more time on
Clubhouse because I think that's where, in my opinion, some
people would say that club House took you from a
maid man to a market.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Listen, you call me lad away with it.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
That is a rapper, and I will beat out of
that little bitty as you talk about it. Well, club
House is how I was introduced to.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
The YouTube what we call the YouTube streets.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Remember, I tell you we got different divisions. So the
person they like, Yo, why you tell on Coo to
be like? I didn't tell on Cool to beat cool
to be told on me. He's put the link up
Boom Daniel her Nan, that's paid me to go have
shots for the chief key.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I could break thirty thousand.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
If I could break thirty thousand, twenty five thousand, nine thousand,
seven thousand, twenty five, I don't got a question you
doing me dirty because at the end of the day,
no do that.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
What's up with you and Jim Jones? He said, what
Jim was the number two? I was the number one?
What mail brother was sleeping on the floor. I took
meil murder his so called big homby and put him
in the spot, help him get a car put money
in his pocket. Boomo, don't come at me like what
was Jim doing for mail murder? Matter of fact, Jim
Jones as was number two. They had more conspiracy charges

(01:15):
against me. You don't believe me, Boom.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
He put it up on phone tap in the evidence
going on.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
I remember so to the police on the board mail
up here, Jimmy just a rapper down here.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, hey, hommie, this is going on.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
So how he number two and a rapper down here?
That don't make sense?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Watch this.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'mnna tell you, Whiston, that makes sense. How you ain't
got a conspiracy?

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I can guarantee you the FAZ got you on the
line with loose cannon. I don't like how the Big
U and wags Man because they showed a lot of
the youngsters the red and Blue make green. That's a FIVET,
you know what I'm saying. So I just didn't like it,
and we'll get to that in the minute.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
I have never been to Alan Grumblatch's office about a
deal for.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Whack one hundred company, because you can't do that.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
If you know the music business, and I'm pretty sure
you do in the podcast business, nobody can't go get
nobody's country.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
If these dudes is big you big homents and they
still have a relationship with you, that says something. It
speaks volumes one. But also I'm wondering how much of
that you can really trust and lean on?

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Nah loud the people that I have a comrades, quit
on wolves.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
I'm a wolf, I'm a lone wolf.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, everybody I deal with from wherever they're from or
winning games.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
How you think they feel about you? Though? Who you
And because with all the big.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Keeter Rocke has called me two months ago as Mac
been my comrade.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
If the ain't nothing changed?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
So what shug wasn't no games, no shug.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Listen, you was not born coming up and compt it
and you making it to college? The college was the penitential.
If you've ever seen Sug, yeah Sug he.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
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It does show a high level of people who stop
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(03:14):
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(03:35):
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It's up there podcast. Let's get on to the show.
Thank you, yo, yo, Welcome to It's up There podcast.
You know the vibes final boss shit. You dig what

(03:56):
I'm saying. I got a guy who they act like
hard to find. They act like you hard to find.
They act like you're hard to find.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
The DM and the text in the time of the location.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Man, pull straight up on me. Man, I'm time on
time too. That's how you know that executive side still
in him. You know what I'm saying. And one thing
I want to say is, ain't no bunch of you
didn't know what you was coming into. You push up
by yourself.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Well, you gotta realize where you come from, where our generation.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
It's all saying that you got to eliminate the hesitation
in it. You know what, I leave a house. I
leave a house expecting not to come back. I'm just
gonna do what I can to make it back. Fact,
So you know, your training is your training, intuition is
your intuition. Gut feeling is your gut feeling. You know,
every every day he was popping up on my I

(04:50):
G feed.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, right, So I said, let me go.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Check the brother out because I didn't know who you was, right,
So I'm checking you out. I said, Oh, he one
of us.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Facts, He ain't no gimmick.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
This is a brother who that's been through some things.
He got some time, he didn't figure out something he
can do that's making sense and uh, and he doing it.
So you know I'm not I always want to help
support and uplift and build. You know, I didn't send
you nothing talking about how much you're gonna pay me.
Let me come higher at you because I know this content,

(05:23):
right is something your people wasn't ready for it. And
I respect the fact that you don't hold nothing back
on what you asking the person. And I'm gonna be
real to all y'all in the YouTube streets y'all starting
to get.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Making it boring for me. It's getting born because it ain't.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
None of y'all really asking nothing worth answering, ain't pushing
that I don't. I don't tell nobody. I'll give anybody
any restrictions.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Saying he can't ask you, you ain't telling me, like Loan,
don't ask me this. You can't talk, You ain't even
you ain't ain't even question me about the questions of
what we're gonna talk about or nothing. I respect that.
That's what I told you on the farm, Like how many.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
How many parole boys I didn't been in front of him.
We don't know what they're gonna ask. Just be prepared
to answer the question.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
One thing about you, though, like I say, you don't.
You don't dunck no wreck when it comes to this ship.
You know what I'm saying, You ain't duck it. And
I really appreciate the fact you enjoy the conversations because
it might get heated. We might disagree, but one thing
for show, the boy ain't ducking this shit, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Then, but then talking to you momentarily the other day,
Oh but you told me you was on your way West.
You know you mentioned my brother name and I said,
oh shit, it's really good.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, that's my name I'm talking about. I got real love.
I thank God for dude. Dude pulled me out the street. Man,
I can't ain't nothing. I'm talking about. Whatever with QCP
is always love and respect.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
On my I feel whatever he feels.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
I do.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Too many people call my phone to tell me nothing
and my woman to tell you, and I take that
call in front of my woman.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
This is him, hey, and then you slow down.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
You hear all right?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Bro? No, I'm for real, all right, I hear you right.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
She know who it is, but she love and respect
him because she know what he's telling me is for
my own good.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
You know, I just and he he keeps things from
me because he know our trip. You know what I'm saying,
to deal with a lot of but he you know,
he know, like do what he tell people.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Man, whack just tripped out.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
I can't stop him if you go over there saying
something about me or anything on my team or anything
part of the team. Bro ain't calling me to ask
me no questions. By the time he called me, he
probably I ain't gonna even tell him. I'm just gonna
deal with it. So you know what then, and you
know what then talking to you, you know then once
you mentioned that. You know, plus, I just respect your platform,

(08:09):
I respect your moving which without so it's only right
that I've reached to you and say, brother, let me
come sit down with you, give you some content.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Now. For sure, we're gonna we're gonna definitely chop it up.
As far as Pee. A lot of people see my
what I've done in the game because little Baby was
my first interview. That's why you know I come in
the game slick mad, but talking about baby with the
money like I come in upset about that. You know
what I'm saying because for me, it's like them is

(08:38):
real solid.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
You know why you can't get mad about people talking
about a little baby?

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Why?

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Because he don't get mad?

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Right, he don't. You don't get yo, now he don't.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
He don't. I'll never forget.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
It was.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Off set, off set.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
They had a little gallery something out here, probably about
five six years but I actually no, it's like twenty eighteen,
twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
It's sixteen seventeen.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Little baby in there, Pee and everybody in there, little
baby moving around. Ain't nobody saying nothing to it? Right,
migos get there, everybody go crazy. Me and little baby
in the VIP, I say, he the where are you
moving with? The team you with? And the next year
or two it's gonna be you. He just looked at
me and he was very humble. But what I realized,

(09:29):
as humble as he was that day when people didn't
know him, he's still the same humble today.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
He is an anomaly in his game.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
I put that on my kids, Like every time I'm
around him, I just I be having them remind him.
Like even when we were just on tour, I would
with him a couple of days and I'm looking, I'm
telling him, Bro, can you hit the crowd? He like, lone,
I can't even hit the crowd. I got them in
years in. I don't know what I'm saying. Brudy Folks
is screaming word for word with your records, and it's

(09:59):
only literally him Rod Wave. It's only a handful of
they can get up at without all the bells and whistles,
just one man on the stage and they go crazy.
Twenty thousand people. You know what I'm saying, but a
lot of people think I came in the game through Charlemagne.
Because I got a break with Charlemagne with the deal
to iHeart and all of that. Pete and them really

(10:19):
put me in the game, you know what I'm saying.
Before that, I had a revote situation. But when I
did that little baby interview, it took me up five
million dollars. You know what I'm saying. Because I'm a hustle,
I know what to do with a look like that.
I did his roll out interview for it's only uh,
it's only me, gotcha, Oh, it's only else. Whichever the
name of the album, and I know they're gonna be hot.

(10:39):
I forgot the name of the album, but whatever the
name of the album was, I did his roll out interview.
And what they're done for my career money, I can't
never repay them.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
For Yeah, I mean, listen, Pete didn't been there for me.
Well what nobody is for me? I think the only
time we got into it, when I tried to give
him something, he got a little irritated with me. You know,
he looked at me like it was disrespectful. Blue face,

(11:09):
very instrumental me breaking Blue Face. I had a relationship
with Cardi B previously because me and k Slay my
big brother may rest in peace. I was the president
of Straight Stunt Magazine, so we would do our Straight
Stunt Magazine release parties. Back then, Cardi was still dancing,

(11:29):
so when she would come to the vi P, you know,
they'd be trying to rotate them out. We would let
Cardy just stay in the VIP and get her money,
you know what I'm saying. And so when it came around,
P was managing Cardi B. At the time, Cardi B
was already on her way up, but because I had
Pe there, Pe was able to put it in front

(11:49):
of her and be like, Yo, this wife, I know
y'all got a relationship. That's my brother. So she did
the verse, did the video. Call me personally and said,
I'm in town, but the studio shut down. I called French.
French was in Morocco. I said, I got Cardi I
need the studio. I need to take her somewhere.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
She come.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
French got his spoted up up the way. French opened
the studio up, brought Blue Face in. She laid the verse,
showed up, did the video. She only had one request.
She wanted my red bandana shivy there and UH did
the verse and uh when I went to go try
to give them something, they looked at me like I
was crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. So you know

(12:32):
I'm q CPS. QCP is me. That's my brother in
a different way, right or wrong. I'm telling people, listen,
it don't matter. Don't don't don't call me, don't don't.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Talk about it. Ain't nothing to talk about it. You
know what I'm saying. When you when you talk about
Cardi B what's your relationship with us?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Now? Great?

Speaker 3 (12:54):
I still you know, when she wanted to call me,
she called me when she's time to call me, when
it it's my time to call her, because I know
her certain things get that going on on the internet.
I text her I still got our direct and I like, hey,
don't feed into that.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
You know, I know Cardi. She a good person.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
But she's a female, and she's a female that comes
from something, and she's a female that.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Carries a lot of weight.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Right, her life is her life, but the way she
carries the life she comes from, she can't react in.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Those ways because of who she is. Now, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
So I reach out to Carti because we got a
personal relationship, and she knows when i'm our respect her
and things I'm telling her it's for her own goods.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
So we still talk.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Whenever her and her significant her ex significant other going
through things. She know that I'm talking to both parties.
She know if you know something she need to know
or find out offset the same way, you know, them
little used to be in my ghost pressuring me to
take him to taco Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
These diggas go to Taco bill, run the bill up
to two hundred and drive through the taco bell Billy.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Two hundred is crazy.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
It's four five of them, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
But it was crazy.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
So it was like, you know, we still I got
a lot of love and respect for Cardi and I
understand her, you know what I mean. So, and I'm
one of those if she get to go in too crazy,
if I sent her a text cis slow it down
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
She should shell that. I'm noticing too. Man, there's something
that's happening with card as far as the internet. When
every time she drops a song, it feels like they
go find some song that sound like it and then
try to say like you're biting. And I think this
comes from them understanding that she works with writers and shit,
so they're looking for loop pos to discredit her.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
They did that with up I got the call on that, right,
but uh, and now they doing that with this new
joint she.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Got and this hord this works. This is real talk.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
When you go look at the n individuals claiming the song, right,
it was like three years ago, really didn't have.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
No views Spotify.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
So what happens is this.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
A lot of these people is leasing beats on YouTube, right,
A lot of these producers that go over there, and
the producers probably need to start doing things a little
different now too, because they're being put up under pressure.
A producer shouldn't allow somebody to lay on their production

(15:34):
if they ain't pay them for it.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
You lay, you pay.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
I'm gonna tell you why people go in there and
lay on production, but then they never do the business
of it. But then they got the two track, they
don't have the files. They got the two track over there,
so they'll go put it up to see what it do.
If it don't do nothing, it's kind of like they
threw it away. Now this individual, the producer, he in
another session, or he didn't send beat packs out or whatever, right,

(16:01):
even demos of songs. Somehow it makes it to somebody
like Cardi Bees's team. Cardi Bees's team, here's it. Get
it to the an R and or get it to
the management. Management takes Cardion studio. Cardy hears it.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
She lazy. The producer ain't never been paid by these
other people. He probably don't even know. Because it got
one hundred and ninety views, It's even up anywhere Cardy
lays it. It goes up because it's her. Now you
claiming she she couldn't steal nothing. She ain't never been
in the studio, which she don't know who you are.

(16:37):
She ain't never heard that on the internet. Because if
Cardi heard it and wanted it, she would have just
reached out to you and did the business.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
The team would have took care of. They massive over there,
so they took.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
By the time it gets to Carty, right, it didn't
went through all of that. But owns got the fire.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Got the stems. Yeah, that's who owns that.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (17:05):
If you ain't got no producer agreement if you ain't
clear to say, you ain't get all the business that
I know Atlantic did before they put that out.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
You just talking, Yeah, you're just talking. But I still
think it's interesting because the allegations are picked up by
all the blog sites. Like usually if someone be like yo,
blue Face stole this song and shit really don't get
no traction, I'm tripping off, Shade Room and Neighborhood Talk,
all these different platforms would take and basically post a

(17:37):
baseless claim against Cardi. It almost feels like an attack.
If you ask me, it feels like there's a there's
an agenda to kind of discredit her ability in the studio.
You know what I'm saying as a whole, like I
don't get it.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Let's let's let's let's get this straight right here, right
because I understand it. Funk Master Flex some time ago
comes what to You can't be considered the top m
See if you don't write your own wraps. Now, if
we go to R and B, ninety nine percent the
R and B artists don't write nothing. They got writers,

(18:12):
They got writers camps literally right. But you can take
that same writer, put them in the booth and the
song don't go nowhere, so everybody need everybody, you know
what I mean. It's just like Denzel ain't writing the
script of their movies. He just following what the writer wrote, right.

(18:33):
But then the dude that wrote the movie can get
up there and try to do what Denzel do it
don't work out. So that don't take away from who
Cardi is as a personality as an artist, her physical appearance,
her delivery, her performance.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Right. But see that's to you as understand the business.
They ain't attacking you. It's almost like the fishing scam
text messages that go out. You will see that shit
and be like, because I get them, like yo, your application,
your resume. I'm saying, man, what the fuck is this?
But it ain't for me. It's for the people who

(19:07):
don't know that this exists. So it's at taking the
casual fan of Cardi b it ain't gonna it ain't
gonna work on it like you or me that understand
the business. But I do think it's effective to the
people who are just casuals, like when they see shade
room posts, Uh, Cardi stole another song, Well, Cardi stole

(19:27):
this song. I really feel as though that it's more
effective than people like us can can understand because we
see the bullshit and we understand the business side, you.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Know what we can't.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
I'm glad you said it because now it tells me
that I got an obligation. We can't leave it up
to Shade Room and these other blogs to do the
research and even understand how the business works. Right, So
now I feel like maybe I need to go to
my channel and do a whole segment and break down
how that part of the business work.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Right.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Eric Bellinger, very talented, super talented headne wrote half of
Chris Brown's hits. But if Eric probably performed them same songs,
they probably wouldn't win as far as they win.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
That doesn't take away from Eyeric Bellinger, because without his
ideology and his pen Chris wouldn't have been able to
do what he did. That don't take away from Chris
as well, right, because we're talking about one of our
top performers. When we mentioned who close who's closest to
Michael Jackson is Chris Brown is in the conversation, right,

(20:39):
So this is the entertainment business and before it gets
in order for it to get to you for you
to visually be entertained and here what was to your liking.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
It's things that have to happen, process, makeup, wardrobe.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
A dude that can't dare choreography. You get what I'm saying.
You know, the song has to be created. You're right.
What's unique about what we do is we just come
up here in freestyle.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
We are in.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
We don't have no scripts. And I'm pretty sure you
didn't set in front of some people to where you
damn there need some bullet points because they just can't
take a conversation and floating. So Cardi B is one
of our upper Eche line superstars. She is one of
our A list artists and she's been that and she's
earned that because of where she come from, from social media,

(21:35):
from love and hip hop, you know, from grinding it
out and doing what she doing. Bro, She's done something
that I would have bet against. Cardi ain't dropped the
album in six seven years. Most people she got one album.
Most people right that attempts to do that falls off.

(21:56):
She stays relevant, she stays talked about. She's continue to
keep herself beautiful. Yeah, and she's staying part of the conversation.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Right, yeah, Now, she got a hell of a fan base.
They can't take that from her. But I think that's
what they're trying to do, is trying to rob her
of some of that equity that she has in the
culture when they start to be like another one. See,
here's the thing, bro, and I think you understanding this
right the way that you paint a narrative and how
we can start to chip away. See, you don't take

(22:30):
a bad down with the first you got to chip away.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
You gonna keep coming.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, so I think they chipping They trying to chip
at it, chip at it, chip at it. But as
long as she continues to, you know, deliver, she'll be Okay, man,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Cardy hasn't even begin to go into her bag of tricks.
You get what I'm saying. If we talk about what
contributed to her big bang that was when she crossed
over and did the Latin thing on the features, she
ain't even went over there. CARDI can shut down right now,

(23:09):
go over there, do a Latin run, tap into that
fan base that's probably stronger than an urban fan base.
Mixed the two, come back and do another run. So
that's a bear that it's gonna be very The only
person that can take Cardi down is Cardi, right.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Or Nikki If Nicki want to go one on one,
but she don't got the time, the business ain't gonna
allow that. You don't think Nikki can take Cardy down?

Speaker 2 (23:37):
She can't do it.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Kiss my mother.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
I'm gonna tell you why Nikki ten years ago could
have did it. The married Nikki, the mother Nicki.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
She don't got that venom no more.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
She ain't got that venom no more. Now, if you
come at Nikki, she gonna stand up, but she gonna buck.
She's been up under that cash money thing they want.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
She ain't know nothing but to do that.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
But you know, at this point, the only thing they
can do as women in this game is avatar plugging
to each other, uplift and get on the tour and
make a run. Yeah right, And I would love to
see them do a tour to where it ain't no
fight on who go headline? If it's thirty dates, fifteen shows,

(24:27):
you headline, fifteen shows, she headline.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
You know, I think the ego in our culture bro
is out of control. I did enjoy we had a
moment and salute to Yo. Got it because I think
he kind of spearheaded it when he would sign an
act like money Bag Yo, he would do a joint tape,
and then you start to see joint tapes. You saw
a thug and a future tape, you saw a draking

(24:50):
a future tape. You start to see people do that.
It just disappeared. Joint tapes kind of just went away.
And I'm wondering because for me, that's such, that's a
great idea. I know, the business on the back end
is always something that is in question because who label
gets it, what who contract doesn't count for you know,
those go towards both of them.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
When we did og Bobby Billions outside More three had
already did it and it didn't perform too well. Four
or five months later, Blue Face hooked with him and
he does it his way.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
So y'all's done more than More three Jump more three?
Ship was I like.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Fourteen fifteen thousand streams.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
That was it.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
It was standing still, right, that's all it was. For
whatever reason it didn't perform. Maybe they didn't respect the
combination of Bobby and MO three wherever they're from. I
feel like some Dallas politicians I don't know. I personally
I love the song. Yeah, personally, I love more Three
Shot Out Praying Wider. I believe they did a great child.

(25:59):
So when Blue Face steps in, he brings Bobby out.
He let Bobby go to his crib. They did everything together, right,
shot the video everything, He delivers it to me. I
get on the phone with Ghazi. That's now, it's a
problem with the labels, right, my label and Bobby's up
at Empire Ghazi family. Gozi called me and said, wack.

(26:23):
You know it's ain't gonna be no problem. We're gonna
work it out. I got out and Grumblack on the phone,
the one that was running the one. I got Ghazi
on the phone. I said, hey, listen out it. That's
the artist blue Faces over here and this building over here.
At this time, I said, what we gonna do. He
gonna put this money up, y'all gonna put this money up.
We're gonna break everything down the middle. It's gonna go

(26:45):
on Bobby's page, It's gonna go on blue Face page.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Empire is better.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Got a stronger team at doing these things, and we
got a stronger team at doing these things. So we're
gonna attack this and we're gonna had that and it
was cool.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
We let it go.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
We shot passed, right, This shot passed Soul Store. Let
me tell you what they did. And only because it
was Ghazi, I let it happen. So Blueface say, uh,
I'm gonna call my version better Days. So they know
the difference between outside what Bobby and MO three did

(27:22):
and with Blue Face and Bobby did, so artist was
called better Days. When they looked up and saw twenty million,
thirty million, forty min is growing, they turned around and
changed the name.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Of the MO three versions real I didn't know that
and called that better Days. Right.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
So what they did they put.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Out in parentheses better Day. So now when people coming
to look for the joint, don't neither one of them
say more three or Blue Face. When you're gonna look
at Spotify, you gotta dig to see that. They starting
to hit the other one in search of the other way.
So what it did for Empire, right, Gayzi, my brother,

(28:06):
what it did for Empire was give them a boost
on the other version they had.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
They were double dip.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
We lost probably about thirty thirty five percent of what
really would have just went to us if it would
have just said better day even right now in today,
I believe it's like seventy five million now. It then
got that to seventy five million and we like one
hundred and thirty hundred and forty million on the Blue
Face edition.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Right. I ain't know that, man, I'm tripping.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Listen, let me listen. I had to tell somebody this
other day, I'm about to open your eyes. Blue Face
did boosted and put their cables to a couple artists
who was teetering. Bobby Billions. One my man from Memphis,

(28:57):
Chopper in Elite Chopper shot a Flow.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
So go check the remix.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Listen you okay now that boy, Chopper, Hell now, I'm
giving you this so you can go do the research
on that Bobby Billions.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Our better Days outside Boom nl E Chopper Love Nephew,
The Devil Loves Mama Crazy, remind me of my mama.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
That's my home girl Shotter Flow remix.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Go check them, Go check and see what was already
there and what happened when we remixed it and Blue
Face remixed that on the studio bus. We was out
on tour with a little baby twenty nineteen and I
had Stunner.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Get us a studio bus.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
The only reason why that happened, DDG Calabasas, go look
at the original.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
I can see that for DDJ. Go look at the.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Original and look at it months later when Blue Face touched.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
It, y'all charge DDG for that is him and blue
Face still good, show him support.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Brother and say blue Face needs something weak d d
G solid. So he did.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
So that's three. That's three of them right there, and
that's you know.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Most like like Blue got about Blue probably got about
three folk platinums and three folk goals.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
It's a lot of money. People don't even people.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
And is that major? Is that just through your your life?

Speaker 3 (30:33):
No, that's some cash money and then some like and
all that was Indie that distributed through E one right,
So it's a lot, you know, it's a lot that.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Went on with him and he don't get his his
just due.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
And Chopp is one of them all is too like
I see he gets frustrated because he's like, yo, I
got all these planks, all these listens, these views over billionaires,
and when they talk about the young they just act
like he ain't wanted and won.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Now I will tell you this now because I got
a lot of respect for Nephew.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
A lot of them.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
I mean have a mustache, right, I got a lot
of You can tell you a few reasons why. And
I've never said these things to him. One, when people
thought it was over for him, he kept grinding.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
I look up.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
He didn't created uh uh diets and all kinds of shit,
you know, health the whole health run. Two he become
a fashion statement. Three I'm gonna tell you what was
more gangster than anything with Nephew.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Everywhere he go.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
He has a brother that's from the community. His brother
be right there with him, fun Center. Most rappers would
have tried to do what high. Yes, yes, they tried
to the fact, you know what I'm saying, And I
respect that in His mama and his daddy is part
of the team. I gave him his stylist sister name

(32:05):
Mike kel out of Detroit. Actually his her mother just
got part in after thirty something years, you know what
I'm saying. So yeah, but I really that's why when
him and Blue Face started getting into it, called.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
I forgot about. Yeah, they had a little run in junior.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah, I called his mama. Me and his mama got
on the phone and I'm like, you know, this can't happen.
I didn't even want to call him because I didn't
want him to feel like I was calling him to
press him, get on him about nothing, because I got
a lot of love and respect, and I know he
respect me.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
You know what I'm saying. He showed up for my
daughter sweet sixteen.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
You know, he didn't did a lot of sentimental things,
and I told blue Face, hey, we gotta figure out
another way.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
I don't even remember what it was about.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, yeah, I know blue Face was out for he
went to jail or he was pushing the line on
the rapper.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, because he was blue Face telling him getting the ring.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
On the rapper I'm talking about. He was. He was
coming strong where you pull up like and I think,
I guess because he boxing his ship so he felt
comfortable in that squad.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
You gotta remember, this is a this is a let's
ax out the streets. This is an athletic young man
who's been in the position of quarterback, so he's always
in the position of leadership and being confronted with a challenge.
You know, you play ball pretty show, so when you
in that position, you're the captain of the team, and
you gotta deal with the field.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Read the field.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
So his mindset is always an act.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
When he comes to me, he said, listen, I'm assigned
to you, but I want you to teach me right now.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
I wasn't scared to teach.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Him because he wanted those that when he become that boss,
he always had me. Anyway, a lot of dudes want
to handicap their artists. You know that, ain't every every
last one of my artists is a boss. Ray J
is a boss. Ray J gave me my first job,
executive job in the game.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
He pulled me out of the goon ship to the office.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
What made him do that?

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Everybody had turned their back and he was in the
studio working, studio working, and he knew I had a
relationship with DJ K Slay. At the time, New York
Radio was burnt down by sugaring him from the West,
so he like, yo.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
You got the radio plugs? He had.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Detailed was homeless in Detroit. Ray J don't get a
lot of credit for things he did. Detail was homeless.
Ray J moved Detail out here, letting live in his
mother house. From that came sex. He cannot without sets.
He can on There's no Drunken Love, There's no because

(34:41):
that song is what gave detail his rid Acon got hits,
everybody got hits out of him. It was because of
that move. Ray J seeing this man homeless and took
this man and brought him back, let him stay at
his mama house, got a shout out the La buck

(35:02):
l a young buck. He was an instrumental in that too,
and from that came Sexy Canna, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
And from that I thought there was a hit maker record.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
No, that was all record. What we did is we
allowed them the lights. They paid us to put it
on on Hit on Young Birds album. They paid us
six figures to run it bowt legging. That came out
on All Our Feel Ray J's album. But then right
after that they put it on they let it float
that album. And it was for a reason because see,

(35:33):
you gotta remember, if you got a song that already did.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Numbers right right.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
When you put it on another album, it may not
go to the first week Well back then it was
going to the first week count. Now it's going to
the overall, which helps you chart.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
That's what's going on with what Cardy Yeah and all
those songs, so she platting them before she even dropped.
She platting them before she put the titles to.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Her songs flag behind it.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah, but it don't matter because she cushion it for
the boardroom. That's a boardroom.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
That's a boardroom. Got nothing to do with the fans.
That's but I will say this for the world to know.
She got a song on their five years old, another
song on their three years old, and then the most current.
The reason why the label was doing it like that,
it's because the budget that these songs were done from

(36:28):
is from the album budget that she's releasing. It ain't
like all this They just been waiting on Cardy. Okay,
then why the delay? Cardy been having kids?

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yes, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Relationship problems, you know, legal problems was going on with
her significant other. Things was going on to where she
wasn't focused. It wasn't that she didn't want to do it.
It just things started happening. So these songs was part
of the project. The project just took a little longer
to come out.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, for sure. Now I will say this about the
outside and better days. MO three voice is what made
that song.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
I love what I love about what I love about
all of them. First of all, I just talked to
ring while the other day I'm like, bro, I love
O G Bobby Billions because he got that mclot, that melodic.
I'm a rod Wave fan me too. I love that.
That hard All Nights touched my soul. Yeah, he he

(37:32):
do to me with Kevin Gates bars.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Do that he touched Kevin when you.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Got that melodic thing going on and then you got
that MO three delivery going on? Right, you couldn't. It
was an explosion. I tell blue Face, ain't nephew show
you want to play with that? He said, Yeah, I'm
gonna play with it my way and give it another look.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Because I was like, I took nuts to do that, bro.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
But and and he played it. Listen, not only did
he play with it, the people spoke.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Is that you working it or the people liking the record?

Speaker 3 (38:09):
No? Our only only thing we do is that maybe
the first push and when when gods like us work.
So you got a bunch of felonious, fraudulent dudes playing
with bots? Yes, No, because I got some game. I'm
gonna get to you too. Right, It's like this when

(38:34):
the pastor step in front of a congregation, if he
got a congregation of a hundred, right, he can guess
to make thirty to fifty percent of these people gonna donate.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
So that's thirty to fifty people.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
If I put this same congregation in front of a thousand,
front of the pastor in front of a thousand, and
the same rules of plot numbers apply. Now that's three hundred,
the five hundred. If I put that same pastor in
front of ten thousand or a million people, the same percentage,
but it brings a bigger number. So I'm able to

(39:08):
take a song right instead of it being put in
front of because more three and Bobby Bellions was part
of the same label Empire, and at the time, what
the Empire would do they would push the song out
and they'll see if it catches, and then if it catches,
then they'll push it.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
I'm pushing it.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
I'm saying, program the song in front of ten million,
A percentage of the ten million gonna like it.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
We're gonna see it, they gonna stream it, We're gonna.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Tap into they analytics and see who they fan base are.
And now we're gonna put the song in front of
them and then we get off of it and let
it naturally do it stay right. This is why when
Spotify was doing it sweet, you never heard of blue
Face a game on Ray J's music it being.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Pulled down, right. You know, there was a whole lot
of cats we was in.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
They got Hisdrick posed to had allegedly lost a lot
of listeners, and people are losing listeners for whatever reason
right now.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Now see what, Kendrick, I'm gonna tell you why.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
It's a little tricky. You're dealing with two powerhouses that
know the game. Right. So if I'm on the other
side of it and it is just me speaking, right,
I know some things, but I'm just gonna I'm speak
in general. If I'm on the other side of it,
I opposing Kendrick right, and I'm knowing, God damn, this

(40:37):
song is moving. I see it organically moving, and I'm like,
at this pace. Because I've had songs that moved at
this pace, I know where it's gonna end up. I
can hit my team a hit them people over there
in India. Body, mother here, take this thirty thousand yeah,
and put I want five million bots on there back

(41:00):
and you wait right, Kendrick ain't doing nothing, it's organically growing.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
And then you say, oh, I think this is going on?

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Where you know what's going on because you the one
paid to do it, right, Kendrick in them is smart
enough to know that when you going hit their head
with another powerhouse, you can't play no games. Now, this
is why I say this. When you look at the
other side of it, it's squeaky clean. That's facts you understand.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
What do you think you think it's zero? Grow?

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Listen up up to see the other side of it.
Being squeaky clean tells you do you really think Kendrick
Lamar and his team knowing Remember Kendrick's first world tour
he opened up for who Boom? So common sense tells
you that these people know that they know the game

(42:00):
because they was doing it.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Be funny you think this.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Man is fit to roll the dice on doing some
for gazy when he know that these people understand it
just like.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
He understand it. But when you look over there, it's squeaky.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
If you know you calling somebody to record him, right,
everything about your conversation gonna be.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
On this Lord, yes, Lord, that you asking them ship
to trigger them because you know what's still record? Right? Okay?
Did do you think Drake literally has zero bots? I
just find that hard for any artist to have.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
You come from?

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Why come from? Now?

Speaker 3 (42:38):
I got you looking at it another way? Now you like,
hold on?

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yeah, I don't think no artist has zero bots. Like
your cousin told you, hey, when park to make sure
you clean.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Right and stay off your phone because they got you,
tapped you two blocks from the park, but you got
enough time to pull over.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
It's some bushes over.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
There, exactly right. If you don't watch it, no, no,
watch how it work. You come through the park right, Loon.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
They hit it.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Everybody that usually got what they got. They little weed,
they peeled, they guns got them. Everybody know. Loon is known.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
He ain't never not got it on him. But all
of a sudden they didn't tow your car up Strip
two neck.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
It ain't nothing there. Some of them negroes gonna say
what Loon has?

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Some do.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
So sometime when you see the perception. And I hate
to say it because I still have nightmares because at
a young early points in my life, you know, trickery
and deceit worked against me because I didn't understand me
you know when somebody this dude got a problem with
this dude, and here's a problem over here. So he

(43:56):
had come tell you what he really did to him.
He did so he could kill two birds with one stone.
And you find out lady in the game, dude ain't
had nothing to do with it. But the whole time
it was about his brawl.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Right.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
So you know, when you're dealing with these type of things,
is there the younger generation ain't gonna understand it, respectfully.
We bragged about selling the dope. They bragged about using
the dope. So when you're using the dope, your scruples
here ain't doing this.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, we don't. We don't sleep, we rest.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yes, I can tell you right now you didne got
them several times, one, two, three o'clock in the morning.
And it's something here. You gotta pull it out, you
place in the backyard. You just you know, it's something
you thinking about.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
So the youngsters, anything you tell them they going off
with they hen.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
I hate thinking about it. I hate that for them too, man,
because they lost in La La Land. You can tell
them anything, they gonna move with it, you know what
I'm saying. And but you understand that again. And we're
gonna get to some of the narratives that you cause
you're you're a hell of it with the narrative shit.
You know how to paint a narratives, turn a narrative twist.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
To take a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
But some people it's like I get warning to a
lot of people that only they know I'm giving them
a warning. You know, I might say something that only
they know what I'm saying. But it's like stop playing,
you know, because and people, the biggest thing I hear is.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
How does he got all this information? This is the
biggest thing.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
First, whatever is court documented is public record.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
First of all. Now, if we don't know you, we
don't know you. But once we even.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Bumped heads, like I got a that clubhouse app I
didne took that app and turned it. That's a straight penitentiary.
I got divisions. If you go old clubhouses, say who's
the queen? You know one hundred side, they gonna say
R and B.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yeah. What I think is George got.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Security, I got spies, I got research team at the exposers.
As military dudes, dudes that do parent legal work, they
don't talk, they don't do much but once it's time
to go right, they gonna dig into you.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
But you know what I think when even when if
we rewind back to the pandemic, because a part of
me I really want to talk about this clubhouse thing,
even if we rewind back to the pandemic, I say
when I first I did an interview with Riggie White
a long time ago, yeah yeah, and I was telling him, Man,
I don't like how the big U and wag shit man,

(46:44):
because they showed a lot of the youngsters the red
and Blue make green. That's a fact. You know what
I'm saying. So I just didn't like it. And we'll
get to that in a minute, but let's just speak
about clubhouse for a minute. I will say, Man, this
is whack running that shit like a real prisons fact,
like a gang. And he got folks respecting the high
archy and all shit. I'm tripping off that. But that's

(47:07):
one of your your strong suits, is like, you know
how to congregate me because in lead and make Because

Speaker 3 (47:15):
I'm gonna tell you the reason why leading is easy
to me. I was taught young by my homeboy little man.
Six dudes, brim I hate that penitentiary was a pup
sixteen seventeen and he was a lifer. He' home now
doing great. He said, you got two ways you can
do it. The dictatorship, which keeps the body weak because

(47:38):
once you knock the head off it can't function. Or
the teacher and the student. And the goal is as
a teacher, right as I am to you, right now
you're my student, is to turn your student into a teacher. Right,
he said, Now something that come along with that. I said,
what's that? He said, it's who's in death to those

(48:01):
before you. You gotta remain the strongest soldier for the
ones to follow. The mission is to move forward, to
get their means, not to know how far to go.
So I was a student when I hit that yard,
and I absorbed it and became a teacher. And then
as a teacher, I start teaching other students. See, when
you running that shot called thing, right, you want to

(48:22):
keep everything weak and dependent in fear of you. But
once you fall, the causes is going, but.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
It's still a little bit of fear. It's still because
I don't respect nothing but violence and fear. So you
still had a there's still an element of people that
was on clubhouse. That's in your rooms and your part
of your congregation that when you raise your voice, so
you go get the big mic.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Can the well see that only happens to don't because see,
you gotta remember it got so big over there to
where you start having people sending people to infiltrate to
try to figure out what we was doing. Bro that
shit ain't closed down for three and a half years.

(49:07):
The hundred side of the clubhouse been opened twenty four seven.
It's compiled of fifteen rooms. I got a squad that
schedules the rooms. We got backcheck.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
I gotta like a company. I gotta like I got
a security room. Backchack.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
If all of the hits the app and she in
the room and she start having a back and forth,
one of the spies is gonna send that link to
where she's at. They gonna say the queen getting into it.
The security of the hunding side beasts.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
You know when you say security, you basically did telling
about this Finna come holling his scream.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
You know you got homie, so I took block that
can say the most hated shit bag talk about you,
like right, I got a squad of these crazy these
people that that's what they do.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
I got administration people. When it's time.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
If I say, yo, lum, coming to clubhouse, they gonna
go create PTRs.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
The artwork with you.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
They gonna have a waller uniform, the questions they're gonna ask, like,

Speaker 1 (50:15):
You're running it like a company man. But but I wonder,
because again, let's let's bag up to the pandemic time.
You had had no interaction with social audio before that.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Dj K s Lay. He made me get on the internet.
We fought. Whack one hundred was created because of case
Lay on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
He made me.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Stop, pull over, pull out your phone, download the app.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
I put in Whack it wasn't available. I put in
Whack one.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
It wasn't.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
If Whack one hundrey would have been avent about have
been Whacked one thousand, Whack one hundred was available, right,
So case Slay I'll never forget. He said, Hey, little bro,
they got this thing called clubhouse. He said, it's a
few days going on. I don't like they got all
the celebrities over there, he said, But the celebrities, some

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of these clowns.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Be talking down to the regular people.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Now case slave is a dude that likes to mingle
with the regular people. Right, He said, I'm gonna have
somebody else send you an invite because whatever you do
to invite E get in trouble for.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
And I know you finna come over. I don't know
what you're gonna do.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
And sure enough I came over there and it would
be some celebrities talking crazy, talking belt on the people
and I'd be like, bro, what's up? They were like,
who is that this whack whack? I'm like, yeah, you
remember when you was the studio You the one got
slapped in the studio on strip. That's you, right, So
when world got out whack on clubhouse, all the ones

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who knew they had the dirt either humble theyself or
they left.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
That's but that's crazy to me, man, because I.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Was alive from Loran. You gotta remember, I'm one to one.
I'm the only one like me that come from the
generation I come from in the business and know what
I know and have seen what I've seen that will
voice it and stand on these plans.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
You don't.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
You got a lot of people that know some things,
but they not gonna sit there and they ain't gonna
talk about it. But you got a lot of people
been on it on the street side, but not on
the corporate side. I didn't been in the building, I
didn't been over here. I know about that. I was
there for that. I was there for this. This is
why me and Redge get along so well, right? And
when should go to playing every now and then we

(52:36):
gotta like spanking, like bro goes.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
I don't know why you want to whack Redge and
ray j that's back? What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
What did you understand that? The shit we know?

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Courage? You know some shit?

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Mob James, Mob James did what he did. You can,
but what you can't take from me. Without Mob James,
the stigma of death Row wouldn't have been there.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
So he was the land. He brought the strength.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Can't nobody all these names you here, BUNCHERI out timmy
them Mob James little brothers, his real little brothers. Mob
brought the streft. He brought the gangster shit over there.
You know, So what shug wasn't no sugar listen. Put
it like this. You was not born coming up in

(53:25):
Compton and you making it to college. The college was
the penitentiary. All you got to do is look at
this age group of his age bracket, and you tell
me how many people either your ass died or your
ass was at the penitentiary. Right, he got the money.
He grew up over there as Reggie grew up over there.

(53:46):
But Reggie was a cop. His author was a cop.
So should played it right. This wasn't just a copy hired.
It's somebody he knew that grew up over there. Mob James,
them over there putting in work. They on some street ship.
They hustling, Right, So Shug got the bag and he
brought them around him. But see what happens is when

(54:08):
somebody like you come from where you come from and
get the bag, we hustle on the block to get
off the block. Exactly when you a dude that never
was on the block and you get the bag, you
run back to the block. You won't that know thearioty,
We know that. But he ain't go through what you
went through.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah, so that's crazy. So you said he basically got
rich and then wanted to really push the po rule,
the blood ship, the gangster ship.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Dude didn't make it to the penitentiary. He was Damnar
thirty and some ship ain't cool, right, but he you know,
he was infatuated with these stories and you know, but.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
We saw him put in We saw him pushing the
line though. We saw him get into it, and we
had a prey.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Have you ever seen sug?

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Yeah, sug. Yeah, he just had to get into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
When the homies bagged up, you start seeing should get
hands put on him. Because I was the last one
to tell him, Hey, look, bro, you got the whole
industry spool.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Every time we pull up just scattering.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
I'm thinking, we here out of a conversation with these
people and this other shit you doing. You know, he
did something to the footbool cats that.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I'm like, bro, what you doing? You can't do that.
They're pillar and on. What's going on? Sit out and
talk business with these people?

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Right, So everybody started to get away because and that's
why ray J did what he did. He said, whack
you smart, you got connects, and you dirty filthy. I'm
R and B, but I'm a little dirty filthy R
and B. We gonna let you use your connects and
let's get this thing done. In the building at the time,
Study Box on Main Street was my neighbor. Stutter Box

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had the relationship with Shaq. I had the relationship with
k Slay, so we brought that all together. Stutter Box
used a shock to get us in the building. I
used the K Slay If you go look at all,
I feel K Slay is the A and R or that.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Album or that R and B out there.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
So I'm standing on ray J side as management steud
of Boxer standing on shocking them side. They tried to
get rid of Box and at him out when the
business was going. But I told him you can't send
ray J kept it gangster and like we finished seeing
you on ray J.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
A your check.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
I said, you got to pay Box. We ain't paying Box.
If it wasn't for Boxes wouldn't come together or keep
the checks. They're like, well, we don't want to deal
with him. I said, well, send me box check and
get it. Took it, so they sent it to me.
I'll never forget. It was the name of like Platinum West,
and I got him his bag and we can't move
him from there.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
But but so I'm saying, boy sug though there's so
many stories about him smacking this or doing this, dre
he They had a couple of stories. They say that
ship to DRE with these rappers and producers, and so I.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Don't know, dra he made Dre reaching to itself and
challenge yourself. Now, let's talk about it death Row. Yes,
Sug's company. Sug is a marketing genius. That's his strength

(57:30):
running the company, the creativity of it all that that's Dre.
That's that's all these even Snoop, you gotta get with
the Snoop because, okay, watch this.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Prior to Tupac.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Going to jail, all the bs I was going on
with Tupac in the streets with law enforcement all that.
You ever heard Sug mention the Tupac? You know where
him going to get Tupac out of jail come from?

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Snoop, I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Snoop DOGG said we need to go get him, we
need him. Everybody turned their back on him, Snoop dog Right,
Sug listened to him. He went and did what he
did right. This is why it hurt Snoop so much
when Pop turnt on him the way he turnt on him.

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Because you gotta remember, while you was in jail, Snoop
was cool with bad boy while you was on the
streets doing what you was doing.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Snoop was cool with bad Boy.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Now we all know and understand that Sugar is letting
you run your plate.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Wasn't no death Row bad Boy problems prid of that.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
But when you get out sug riding away back then
conflict soul units.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Right, So sug letting you run your plate.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
You think bad Boy and death Row didn't have enough
money to get rid of one another. That's what they
wanted to do, right.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
It felt like they were trying to on the low.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
No, they they ain't no trying to. You just think
it's just making two three hundred two of.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Them hitting them? Who gone?

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Okay, Now let's talk about that.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Park's original beef with bad Boy is him saying they
set me up.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Now, let's talk about it.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Five times he got here.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Let's talk about it. Dicky and Puff already at Quad.
They don't know you coming to Quad. The only people
know you coming to Quad is that paid you to
come lay a verse.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
But I don't gotta know you coming. If I just
get win you there.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
No no hold on you ever been to Quad? When
you up top, you know you can look down right.
They see him when he's walking down there. Hold on,
he got fifteen steps to the patty to the entry
to the lobby and it's another what ten.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Steps that little elevator.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Do you really think Biggie and Puff, that's every bit
of ninety seconds had the resources to with the ninety
seconds assemble the team that was gonna meet Pocket that elevator.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
No, they was waiting on him. Okay, so when you
factor that in, they was waiting on Now, how do
we know that they didn't know who he was coming? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
They didn't know he was coming.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Because sometimes like you can was coming to lay up verse.
But that's what I'm saying. Sometimes when a big name
is coming to like with me and herb, what we
finna do with her bo? Were we going that? They
are prepared knowing that me and her boy be there
at this time, like so it could be rumblings amongst
the people.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
The question, So, okay, we know he coming, We didn't
put the shooters outside the Robin not to kill him
to Robin, because they come to Robbin, they're gonna kill
you to kill him. On the sidewalk, right, we seen boom.
Next thing we know, we hear shots. Look, we hear

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the shots and we know that we lined them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Are we staying in the studio or we coming down
to the scene staying in the studio. They came down.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
They came down, They heard the shots. They say, Yo,
ain't pop down.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Were playing some mental tricks though we know tricks being
played now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
You know we're talking about Biggie and and Puff right,
Puff ain't dealing with that time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
A purple.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Running until you gotta be deep in had that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Type, you know, one of them, you know, go to
the funeral, pay for the funeral right day. Not on
that Park looks up and the first people he see
y'all did it not? What's crazy is the gunman didn't

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even want to sparking.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Park sparked first, he hit hisself.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
He spark on the pool.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
So when he sparked, they spark.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
They come down, they hear the shots. Jo ain't come down.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
He look up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
You set me up, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
They brought it up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
They trying to say that we're gonna step over and
keep moving if we didn't send the people right. So
that whole thing is what brought on the soul called beef.
This is why Biggie hole mentality was nah man I
ain't did we ain't did that? Did you really think

(01:02:42):
if them boys had something to do with that? They
was that bold that come to Cali? And they head,
we ain't did nothing. They ain't understand it. Sometimes it's perception.
They don't understand that sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
So they played the played with fine, came on back
this way.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
But then again, let's talk about it. Was Biggie a gangster?
Was he a hustler?

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
A hustler? I don't see him as a game? Was
Puffer gangster or a hustler hustler too?

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Okay, so the ship we talking about his gangster the mentality,
and they head like what you guys talk?

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Yeah? Yeah, Wayne did that? Yeah, so but I still
don't I mean, if we know now, was it smoking
the ad that time with them though? Or was that
the first interaction where he felt this though him and
bad Boy had a problem, it was no problems. It
was no problems before that, no problems, bro. And then
Park took their juice and said, man, y'all don't pay
for dead win.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
You know how many I know?

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
That started wars on so Forlonious bs, yeah, you know,
and it they went so far that they better not
come out and tell the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Yeah, because that is too many, too much collateral.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Dam Now, they want to see you cry, They want
to see you about your mama, They want you know
what I'm saying. They want to see about you kids,
and you know what I'm saying. So you know, it
get like that sometimes. This is why you can't just
come tell me any day because I know the trickery
and deceit. I learned that at a very young age too.
It's tattooed on my arm. It just used to be

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my neighborhood. Then I put chosen few and up under
this say trickery and deceit. So this is when I
became a clique. Cause the everything, it's no way you're
gonna be able to understand and know what everybody owns.
But you get your click ten fifteen of y'all. You
can learn each other's characters and personalities, and a lot

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of them is thinking likewise like you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
And that's what that was.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
But when it comes to sug, let's be real, I'm
gonna ask you, cause a lot of y'all get caught
up in the in the perpetrating the fraud.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
What Sugar in jail for? Right now? What are you
in jail for it down.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Before you answer that loon, I want you to think
about what is sug in jail?

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
He ran dude over, right, he ran somebody over because
I think they would telling him get out the car
to what was it for a fade? Okay, yeah, but
I think no number man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
So he in jail because what he didn't want to what?
So you kill your homeboy, you end up that's his homeboy.
He ran over. They was dogs, that's his homie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Boone.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
You know who Bone is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
You didn't wash him and move training day and all
that's bom Brooklyn's fighters.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Bone want to fade? Why Bone want to fade?

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Because you just went to his work site on straight
out of Compton where he had a security tripping and
Bone y'all start getting into it and the people say,
Bomb take an early lunch because you know Bone on
the clock. Bone see you, you tell Bone what he
won't do, and you acting tough because all the police

(01:05:56):
is here. So now that's on the east side. Now
you're on the west side. Bonet see you, he see
the truck, jump on the truck. File your shit up, Bam, bam,
get out, Let's get out, Okay, if he were to
put it in park, if he would have put it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
In park, but was the Bone strap though.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Bone had a walkie talkie on it, and I'm gonna
tell you what it was. It was too many politics
right there. You had Terry Carter right there, and you
had another dude who house is right in back of theirs.
That's a g homie at that time, right, wasn't Finn
to be none of that. And you had a few
other cats out there. So now, if Shug would have

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put it in part all, Bone wanted a fade, and Bonehead, I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Can whoop you. Yeah, So we had to.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Put it in park, got out and took a fade.
There's a good chance Terry Carter wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Have been killed.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
He killed two people.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
No, he killed Terry Carter. He ran over Bone and
then killed and killed Terry Carter. An him over unintentionally,
intended to do it, but it happened. But if you
in park, you ain't gonna run nobody over took his fade,
whether he got his ass what whatever may happened, he
ain't in the penitentiary till he's seventy. Terry Carter still here.

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So in essence, Sugar is in the penitentiary because he
was scared to take his one on one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
But it also feels like Sugar, Like I say, Bro,
A lot of people look at him from the game,
saying he pushed the line. Now you saying the prisons
around him was pushing the line.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
They don't get they don't give him people their credit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Yeah, but he was up there by hisself trying to
push the line looking for dre are.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
The was in his neighborhood. They was in his neighborhood.
They in his neighborhood. So when he pop up his
homies there security detail whatever? Now what Bone was wrong at?
Sugar really come pushing a lot? Was told to come
up there. They knew he was coming. Yeah, they knew

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he was coming to get their ben They they knew
he was coming.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Bone didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Bone feeling a way about the other shit, So he said,
Bone didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Bone thought he coming up there on some BSGI like this, Loan,
if I know you right, and I know that's your thing,
you run a security detail. I got a problem with
that man, Right, I'm gonna say, Loan, you know I
need to see Hi. You're gonna be like whack. Come on, bro,
you know I'm working. I'm gonna be like you got that.
I'm not coming nowhere around it because then I'm disrespecting you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
So if I pop up at that point in time,
you're like, whack. You putting me in a situation. This
is how I'm eating and feeding my family home.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
What you want to test me and challenge me in
front of these people on me and you supposed to
be solid.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
So Bone felt like that's what he was doing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
They didn't communicate with Bone that he had an invite
to come up in discuss whatever he was gonna discuss.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
So Bone wasn't wrong, but he wasn't right either.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
But when they got away from it, I say that
to say this, you put anybody with fifty sixty thirty
forty real wolves.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Yeah, they act different. It's a different energy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
It's different. You know what I'm saying. Our president are
United States. What they may be is gonna beat they
chest at any country.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
So let me ask you this did if we talk
about sug because we seem Takashi On in New York
kind of get the respect because he had the bag.
Are you telling me that I here on the West coast,
the wolves respect the fact that Sugar had the bag,
and not necessarily that he was gonna a land.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Remember, Death Role was the biggest visible company when it
came to how to get out the streets, to our streets.
You get what I'm saying. So, yeah, they respected, right,
But when you can.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
See sometimes the wolves are like, you know what I mean,
can't no sucker be it right? The wolves ain't really
falling behind. You got to be a leader of the
peg something.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
So I'm trying to see it even more now, Loan,
I see real rats. Everybody know. They told wide open
to pull up niggas is in these big bodies. They
make it show he's straight, he's straight, he's straight. They
got their bad wolves though. Listen, they got a new

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generation called killer rats.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Yeah, I'm knowing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Yeah, they rated, But these same dudes was known for
doing what they did for decades and decades and decades.
They chose to do what they did, but they ain't
forgot how to do what they do. You get what
I'm saying. So it's like, got the bag now, right,
heat the people gonna lead.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
The Yeah, and I know that when we talk about
but I'm saying because it's because my vision of wolves.
I'm talking about the wolves. I ain't talking about the
people in the shop. I'm talking about leading them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
I think I can say Sugar had one of the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Most treacherous crews.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
When they came to this rock chislm uh my, Bob
Gotti neck bone, lip dog. When it came to the cripping.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
You know what I'm saying, both sides.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
When it comes to the cripping, he you know what
I'm saying, he had he had the wolves from over
there essays essays, he had their wolves. It was wolves.
So down, let's factor in Snoop Dogg. Snoop Out the
big fave.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Team.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
So if it's a Snoop Dogg video shooting death rope
gonna be there, Snoopgall squad gonna be there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
And then he could basically put wolves against wolves, meaning
that I got so many little packs of wolves that
if you cross me, you may not gotta deal with me.
You might gotta deal with these other wolves that's on
my payroll. You wasn't finna listen, You wasn't finished, Bro, listen.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
He had a squad around him that was not to
be played with little knob and he had a he
had a squad. But this was These was decorated warriors,
not soldiers.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
These is warriors. See that's why I can't get I
can't understand how you telling me the warriors is respecting
a sucker. I just can't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
I don't understand is you can lick, you can hit
the sucker once for a bag and get rid of him.
You can get paid a million times because this ain't
the dope game.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
It sure would have been a drug dealer, and it
was all about getting rid of him. Gets you to
the plug. It have ben got him out of there.
This is a record company, it's a little label. So
they gotta depend on him or do whatever it is
he doing. They don't understand what he's doing or to
trickle down to take care of these these lexuses and
these benzes in these condos and all so on and

(01:13:18):
so forth. I'm not gonna say sure didn't have no heart.
I'm not gonna say he's a coward or punk. I'm
just gonna say he wasn't them, He wasn't a mob.
James you know what I'm saying, He wasn't them. You
know what I'm saying. So uh And it took that
to give him the stigma that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Or oh that death Ronick because they play they pushed
the line, oh no, you wasn't. It might be one
of the most ruthless cruise in hip hop that hip
hop ever. See. I'm not sure you could say even
that these others, like when they see some of these
other crews in Recordabels, ain't really being like he yo,

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then we'll woos in the building. Now let get up
out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Oh no, it was a it was a problem, you
know it was. It was bro You had the likes
of Keet the Rock, Keet of Rock.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Listen, I hear that name a lot to.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Talking about big You. Now that's big You, big homie, right,
and it's and it's savage. Me and Keeter Rock got
cool and a melee. We backed the back squabbling ten
fifteen from the from the Snoop Dogg side of shit
right and when it smoked clear, he telled Reggie because

(01:14:34):
he was working for death Row, Reggie, come when it
smoke clear, I going to who I am? Limousine driver?
Out you in the back, Yo, what you're doing? Because
I know these snake dog and all these come from
Death Row. They understand the parking lot of Death Row,
the structure death Row. Not gonna lett, no goddamn limo
driver drive me into something. Some gangster shit going on

(01:14:55):
right now, right So keetter Rock is watching.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
He say Reds back to back with me. He didn't
do no running.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
I watched him regulate the limo, get back, block the
streets off. We need him to come around more. So
when Reds reached for me, I said, Red listen, I'm
a businessman. I got a lot of questions I like
to ask. Y'all need me to come out time to time.
I ain't got no problem with that, but I need
some information from you too. So Reggie, my homie, poor rider,

(01:15:24):
is what brought me around death Row. Pool was in
the pen with Sug and when he parole, he wanted
to be goon. That's all poo. He's a rider, right.
So Reggie is the one that made the verbal introduction
to Sug with me because he like, Yo, it's this
dude named Whacky got his own money. He got a business,
but he's smart. But the gangster and Boom boom boom.

(01:15:47):
So that's how me and Sug had a direct.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
But is he is that why he tried to play
on the he with my driver? Like what made Sug
say shit like that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Sugar has never called me his driver.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
I think I heard him say that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
I don't think you know he had called me a truck.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
That's what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
He had never see anybody knows, Sug. No, it's only
one person that could drive in and that's the police security.
He literally had a bends with the front seat out
on the passager side, and he was sitting in the backseat.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
He ain't gonna let none of the homies.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
You might let a female or something, he ain't let
he let a homie follow him. But the only picture
on the Internet of me and Sug is me and
the passager seat should drive it a Red Bentley, He'll say.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
The trucker we all know. We know all his cold names.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
He say, PlayStation that's game, pork Bud, that's wretch, the
trucker that's me, he said, like Chris Shaw, that's big
you Like he got a cold name for everybody, right, So,
but that wasn't no, because when he asked me, he
said bro when he come home, he said, I need
you with me every day. I said, I'm doing a

(01:16:55):
quote of me and in my trucks. I said, I
tell you what, you give me a half for me
in up front, I give you a year. After that
year's gone, right, then we could do it other than that.
Ain't no wait, because this Simon, this Simon shit he
was doing. This is why when people call him Simon,
I look.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
At him with Simon, what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Hey, go run in the stone?

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Getquis why I gotta do it?

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Simon said, do it?

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
But if you got a death row chain on you,
driving a death row car, living in a death row house,
waiting eating off a death row check. Right, So my
whole thing is I do business with you, But we
not doing that until this day.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
I shook a lot of hands.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
So the value in doing that run with him was
some of the people I met. But to this date,
Sugar in my pocket, I ain't never made to dying
with him. He didn't got it out of me. I
didn't bury his mama. I didn't put him in hotels.
I didn't did all kind.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Of you know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Sugar went broke five h six. It was over with
what broke now going to court, lawsuits and the lawsuits
to get a black ball, you know, not being smart
with his distribution. He kept saying he ain't got distribution,
but yet he had Cotch that would have he would

(01:18:19):
have been the first one independent ahead of everybody. But
he wanted back in the UMG system. Why because he
didn't have a team around him that knew how to
do it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
He didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
How to do He didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
If that man would have went and ran all this
stuff through Cotch, he would have been ten years ahead
of everybody. But he wanted I want back with the majors.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Because it's easy. With the majors. They do all the
heavy lifting. You just look good.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
A person to tell you they made a hundred million
with the majors, right, and the other dude to say
he made forty million on the minors. Making forty million
is doing better than a hundred million because off the rip,
fifty percent of that hundred million is gone because it's
staying with the majors.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
And then everything you didn't spent.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Come out of the pencil whooping year, Everything.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
You spent come out of your fifty the minor. That's
all him.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
People don't think that way is perception right. People want
to be seen in that light.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
When you talk about keet to Rock, what was he
at now?

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
Keeler Rock from Rolling Sixties, he's doing time in Arizona.
He showed he got about a year eighteen months. Were
a respectable dude, one of my comrades. See big U
was probably the third Rolling sixty that I had comrade
with Before big U. It was a key to Rock.

(01:19:47):
It was an Smac s Mac still here. He just
moved under the radar. Very respectable dude.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
How you think they feel about you though? Who you
and because with all the shit with big U.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Keeter Rock just called me two months ago as Mac
been my comrade.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
If the ain't nothing changed as deep.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
You gotta remember, bro, they ain't stupid, right they people
know they homeboy. So when you look up and you're like,
well we know that that that that that that come
from wax positioning, Right, So they gonna call me whack?

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
When I tell him what happened? I hate to say it.
I was already warned on what would happen. I just
was being a brother to the brother. If if I
would have listened to what I was being told prior
to I would have been got out the way, and
just a lot wouldn't have happened for him. See the

(01:20:51):
Big U that we've read about in this Rico paperwork,
I never met him. I met Big U and O
four when he come home. His thang is business. He
trying to figure out the business. We quickly realized that
he's a dude with influence, but his wits, his attention span,

(01:21:16):
his patience wasn't there. So if you called Big You
about something, ye had talked to Big You about it.
I think he got something like that going on. He
had called two three other people on the phone and
you would end up discussing your business with them. You
got to them through Big U. So he and the
pot anyway, So we didn't mind that. So we just

(01:21:37):
kept positioning. Right, we all doing what we're doing already. Right,
Big You come after the flow is already happening, him
saying it trips from me on when he said, yeah,
I remember when Sugar had all his money. Bro, you
paroting old folk sure was bankrupting O five when you
paroted it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Was already after how many years he did?

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Oh, big U, Big You did Eddie Boy did six
teen seventeen, Big you did like thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
So he missed the whole death Row.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
Yeah, he wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
So when he came home, yes, sure he didn't have nothing. No,
it was gone.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
He was wasn't around for none of that. Even corrupt, corrupt,
the one kind of walking through the door. Corrupt was
on his back at that time. You know he had
come back death Row, remember snooping, and wasn't dealing with it, right,
he come back to death Row, so you know he
never got a chance to see what that was. He
just heard about what that was. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
But what I'm tripping off of if if these dudes
just big you big homies and they still have a
relationship with you, that says something. It speaks volumes one.
But also I'm wondering how much of that you can
really trust and lean on because you know they fall

(01:22:51):
under the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
It's like, nah, loun, the people that I have a
comrade ship with.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
On wolves, I'm a wolf, I'm a long wolf.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
Everybody I deal with from wherever they're from are renegades, right.
They gonna do what they want to do and their
team they may be is gonna move how they say move.
So when you got somebody telling you, hey, we've been
rocking a long time, watching step, what you mean, pay

(01:23:25):
attention to this? This, this, this, that, every now that,
I'll be like, hey man bull bo boom, you're like
I told you watch a step. Yeah, they stayed out
the way, but they stayed close enough to tap me
on my shoulder. This is why when he did what
he did, I handled it the way I handled it.
You gotta remember it. He was sleep. He didn't know

(01:23:49):
that them people in that office called and told me
what he did.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Yeah, let's talk about that too. Because he denied that.
He said, man, you know, people who did you listen
to what he said? You gotta listen.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
See, he ain't too smart, so when he's trying to
defend himself, he's gonna talk and say things that don't
make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
So for people who don't know you and big, you
initially fell out, according to you, because he reached out
to the people you were doing business with and tried
to basically, I get stronghold or strong arm your relationship
in your contract?

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
What the initial and see when I read the Rico paperwork,
I know what I'm reading. I know who all the
witnesses and victims are by what they're saying. So the
initial started over a studio, right. It was a dude
named They called him Why the Head, a big head
or something. He building a studio in North Hollywood, London

(01:24:52):
or somebody hit me and said, way looking for a
studio of a game that got won over. They're gonna
holler at him when I go over there. He wants
me to vest in the overall studio business. I said, nah,
I don't want to run the studio business at the time.
The spot is gutted, it's just framed out. I said,
I'll tell you what I will do. I give you

(01:25:13):
one hundred and fifty up front, but this room I
won't extend it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
And this room will be games room only.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
You won't be able to rent this out I give,
I said, because he told me he needed one hundred
and fifty to build it out, I give you that
one fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
This room is game room. I said. Now, I ain't
gonna screw you because you hurting.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Two years.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
We ain't gonna pay you nothing after the two years.
We at least we'll give you fifteen hundred two thousand
a month or whatever. Now, why would I do that?
Why I know what my goddamn recording budget is over here.
If I got a recording budget over here of a
quarter million a year, I'm gonna give you one fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Mini games to hunted up in the next two years.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
It's it's a half a thing coming to its right.
It's free so big there's no big U in the picture.
I know big U, we know each other. But he's
doing what he don' doing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
No big Us in the picture. Studio. Go up, boom
boom boom. I tell the dude, hey, this room is
exclusive the game.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
Don't call me to ask if somebody could use it.
It's games room. He didn't have to put no equipment
frame it up. We put all games equipment in there, right,
probably about nine ten months. As we there, I guess
he somehow meets big U. I come over there, I
see big U there, bro What up?

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
What up? What up? Money?

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
This y'all been working here. We got a room in
the back.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Ain't no big deal. Me seeing big U and big
U seeing me. That's just most strength there for one another.
Mine's worked, but his his work for me. That's what
it was.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
So one day dude called me, Hey, what up? Hey man,
Big you want to know could have used the room? No,
why are you calling me with this? Can you call
an ass game?

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
No? I don't even ask game if I can use
the room. That's his room.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
You know, he might have thought he could call you
because you and you had some kind of relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
But still ship what he did at that point it
is instead of him saying that room exclusive the game,
Whack don't even use it. He goes back and he
tells Big You, now you can't use a room. Wax
said no. Now, let's go back to the Rico paperwork.

(01:27:42):
In there, it says either witness to or victim to
which is the Grammy nominated producer. It says Big You says,
I want to break whoop the woop jaw for getting
me in whacking Big You don't say nothing to me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
He calls Bali Maul.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Right and say, yeah, this Wack denied me using the studio.
I feel like that's a woo woo woo whatever. Molly
Maul calls me and tell me, you know, dude, a
little upset about whatever just went on with the studio
I said, I ain't talk to Big U by the studio,
but I talked to the other new So now I

(01:28:27):
don't call the other I call Big you. Hey, homie.
For one, Why you sending somebody at me to ask
me something you supposed to have been asking me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
I would have just told.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
You you feeling some kind of way right now, because
you know I told another and another I told you no,
because you send him at me, Big.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
You ain't, no damn fool. How else would I know
he feeling some kind of way?

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
He know, Molly Maul told me so in the rico
when you read it, that's what we're talking about. So
that's kind of where the friction started. So let's go
to phase two.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Before you go there, Before you go there. After that,
was it any issue with you and him? Did y'all
go back to kicking it? Is it? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
No, No, because you gotta remember I don't kick it
with no.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Right y'all do all my comrades, we all holler on
the phone.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
It ain't a man unless we on tour. Got to
tell you they didn't been with Whack two three days.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
In the row.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
They ain't gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
Fat So when I tell somebody I ran with a
nick eighteen sixteen years. That's just we was cordial. We
did business. He had access to me, I had access
to him. Get what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
So, but you also said I've been to his house.
I can walk it in from house too, So that
means that's a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
That's a little deeper, because guess what it's something is
that go to the house every day. Big You out
a crew that every morning they was his house. The
niggas look to wait in the backyard. Why I can't
part of that crew, right? But if Big You needed
to get somewhere, he knew the cold to the gate.

(01:30:12):
If I needed to get somewhere, I knew how to
get to his crib. We was definitely cool like that.
Families knew each other, kids called each other. Definitely cool
like that. Even when the beef was going on, it
was still I saved his son.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Nigga was going to kill his son in the studio.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
I did what I was supposed to do to disarm
the individual. Nephew, what you want to do, I want
to whoop him. Whooped him, put his son in my
car and took him home. Was going Why the beef
is full fledged on fire. Right, this is real. But
on the flip side, it's BT weekend. My baby mom

(01:30:55):
and my daughter go to the celebrity basketball game.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
It's at Chrisshaw. How people sending me pictures? What's up?

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
I look at the pictures. It is my baby mama
and my daughter gets who's two feet behind them?

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Big? You man?

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
You don't think it's a problem. No, he just making
sure they straight. I didn't have an inkling in my
mind that right, No, but this is what it was.
But so now let's go to phase two. Me and
Stunners start doing business. I kick off cash when you West.
He had a group called OSB on some bullshit. I

(01:31:33):
really like the two youngsters. They're really cool dudes, both
of them. Right, So you gotta remember man in the
hearts of men.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
And I learned this the hard way. And I don't
know if you've been in this.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
It's times to where the more you help somebody and
they see you can help them, they start getting envious
of what you were able to do for them and
what they can do.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
So it's a catch twenty two. You damned if you
do Damned if you don't. So when I kick off
the cash money West thing, I got the whole West Coast,
Sabby third Blue Face, Boom riding in the red rag
shitty playing cryp music.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
It's mad.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
I want the Internet on fire because if you talking
about whack playing the cryp music?

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
What cryp music?

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
Sabby third Blue Face, I'm also I'm marketing. I know
what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
It's been with me right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
So now if Boom Boom big U has always wanted
to have a position in music as being that guy. Right,
he wasn't around for corrupt. That was keetera rock in
smacknm era. They did all that when that was what
that was right, So now in his head he felt

(01:32:54):
like he's supposed.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
To be the man you want a piece of.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
He won't. He want to be the one his head.
I tried to do business with bird Man, How could
you do it?

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
And what? All? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Look, I don't know what you tried to do with Stunner.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Whatever relationship you got with Stunner, you got a relationship
with QCP. I got a relationship with QCP. Right, it's
obviously his respect on both sides. But what he's done
for you and what he's done for me. Is that's
just what he did. They don't cross. I'm not going
to go to Pete talking about, hey man, what the
hell you do for whack White and vice versa. Right,

(01:33:33):
So then that added to the little argument about the studio.
But the argument amongst brothers was just that it was
argument on his brothers.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
I'm sitting back.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
So he came to you about your business with bird Man.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
What he did is he called one of the homies
and said everybody else while he ain't reached down here
and signed my group. Right, So now you gotta remember
I get flat. All all he want to do is
business with the cryps. Listen, brother, I'm not a gang banger.

(01:34:09):
I ain't been a gang banger for twenty five. I'm
from where I'm from. I don't wake up hating a
Negro because of a color.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
I've been outgrew that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
So if I'm looking at the analytics and I'm looking
at what's going on, and when I go say, okay,
this person right here is the one I think I
can grow.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
If this person is a midget, a homosexual, a transgender,
a crip, a blood or whatever he may be, that's
the person based upon the business I want to do
business with. At the time, Blue Face and Savay Third
is out running everybody. You got a little negro running around,

(01:34:54):
jumping on top of his car in front of the
high schools and saying, I'm gonna be at this high
school next Friday. People ditching school. You got crowds of fans.
He didn't built something for hisself. He just so happened
to be a crip. I don't care. I'm not finish.
Deny no young man a shot at something if he's
deserving of it. Because he's from somewhere. It ain't gonna

(01:35:17):
happen with me. That ain't what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
What you did say. You ain't gonna with Domesicans because
they from somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
That's cap because I had a Mexican group called at.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
That's the fact.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
Because on this West Coast, I'm gonna ask convig Homie.
I didn't walk to a lot of prison lines. I
understand that you get what I'm saying. And for me
to do that puts my people in jeopardy because I
know how that worked. You take a Sudanyo, turned him
into a Kendrick Lamar. They gonna come talk to you,

(01:35:52):
so loom, you didn't took a million dollars of your
money invested rolled the dice built this dude. Now the
dudes pulled up in off is telling you they need
to cut.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
What you're gonna tell them ain't nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
Okay, bam, Now what remember what you're dealing with. So
now what they're gonna do out here? A Holmes ain't
his uncle in Fosim. Yeah, they gonna stab his uncle
love and then had an uncle tell his sister tell
him to cooperate it with them. Now, dude ain't showing
up to the sessions. He ain't doing what I need

(01:36:25):
him to do, because that's controlling it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
I understand that. So now you didn't feel that about
the crip card though, No, not.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
At all, because the only ones I dealt with, it's
a lot of them I won't deal with. The only
crips I deal with is an individual that's a wolf
that's gonna make his blue face. Ain't never one time
told me I got to talk to my homeboys about
my business. He told me, hey, whack this my team

(01:36:56):
right here. Learn who they are in case they somewhere.
I'm not respect him like you respect me. I never
had to go sit down with his hood. He did
his business as a man, and then he introduced me
to the people that supported him. When I went to
a few dommus, you know what they told me, I'm

(01:37:16):
gonna holler at my homies and see what they think.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
I never heard nothing back.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
The first two dudes I went to was r J,
and he had some contractual things going on.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
I believe r J would have did the business.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
And a dude named Rouchie from Inglewood, and I went
to Roucie because I did time with his daddy Tackle
from NHP. Right, so when I went to Rouccie, Roochie
said he had to check in with his homies. I
didn't signed two other after the fact and dropped a
hit and still never heard nothing from me. So I'm

(01:37:52):
doing business the business. The streets don't dictate my corporate business.
That ain't gonna happen, and I'm not gonna bring the
corporate shit to the streets. So when I do business
with six', nine when somebody call me and, say, hey
we got.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
To have a million for a date over here In.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
Brazil right WHEN i went and did an interview with sixty,
nine my homies was with. ME i didn't take them.
THOUGH i don't bring him around that because that's corporate
entertainment business That i'm. Doing i'm not in the subject my,
homeboys BECAUSE i know they ideology is what it. Is
they woul, me But i'm not in the subjectivem to

(01:38:29):
that because in they, head dude is this dude's in my.
Head this is a dude that got a light on.
Him this is a dude that's being interviewed by everybody but,
us and he's making the majority think right what he
did was right because they don't know how to question this.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
Dude i'm the only one that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
Got six y nine to pause and think about it
and admit you, RIGHT i ain't no.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
Gangster you ain't you put some work in you would some. Down,
NO i was just paying, Them, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Well, yeah your supervisor Young.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Right then he started to understand that and embrace it
to a point where he like shit like you, right
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
What Take that's why even when we talk about TO
i want to spend a little bit more time On,
clubhouse BECAUSE i think that's, where in my, opinion some
people would say The clubhouse took you from a maid
man to a mark.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Man, Well clubhouse is HOW i was introduced to the
YouTube what we call a YouTube. Street REMEMBER i tell
you we got different. Divisions also have a media team
and whether they up or they, sleep wherever our, goal

(01:39:54):
the profiles follow me.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
And they clip. It you basically got your own clippers
like these.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
Got a media, team you, Know clubhouse Sais CLUBHOUSE. Tv no,
ANSWER i mean the answer And Ray, Gibbs now this
is the type of SHIT i. Do this is why
they respect. Me people coming, In, whack we want to
be part of your media. Team you can't asking me.
That you got to talk to the media. Team, whack
we want to be part of. Security talk to the
people run. Security run. THAT i stay in my. Place,

(01:40:27):
now if something going, on it can't nobody make a
decision and fix, something then myself OR r AND b
all step in and make a. Decision but other than,
that what they respect is that you Call whack all you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Want we had, This, yeah and he ain't gonna. Go
he's gonna make sure to check with. Us and that's
but that's What i'm. Saying that's going that's your way
of running that ship like a Real fortune five hundred.
Company But i'm wondering how you feel about WHAT i just,
said because you came To clubhouse a made. Man, well
you you had business all in the. Street you Had

(01:41:02):
fred j and game and like you was here and
it felt like to build that. Up you started to
denegrate and separate yourself from some of the relationships took
you damn now all your career to. Build, well which? Ones?
UH i saw you snap on? Everybody did you snap

(01:41:23):
on twenty One savage And Jim jones and? These you
had relationships going on With.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
Jim, Okay i'm gonna give you How jim. Worked my,
Man he come out, here he hit me whatever he,
NEED i get it to. Him video shoots going, ON
i pop up me And. Jim he had just did a.
Verse remember he was doing uh something studio where he
could remotely on what He, yeah he did that with

(01:41:52):
my Group coyote right a week.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
Prior Now i'm.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
Broke i'm On clubhouse and they keep asking me about
six nine BECAUSE i did the. Interview my first time
ever seeing six nine is WHEN i did the interview with.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
ACADEMICS i never seen.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
Him six nine headed my guts when he was doing
his little blood. Run we wouldn't talk to, him we
wouldn't associate with. Him, Right SO i, said you know,
What i'm gonna break it with All New yorkers asking
me these. Questions i'm gonna bring him to the damn
app y'all ask him. YOURSELF i don't know nothing about
none of. THIS i didn't know none of them. People
he went to jail with none of. Them so WHEN

(01:42:31):
i bring him to the, app this little dude he must'
didn't do number read paperwork all day cause when you
mentioned the, name he knew the birth socialcitty number everything they.
Did so the first time they, like, yo why you
tell On coo to Be he, LIKE i didn't Tell
on cool to be cool to? Be told old? Me
he put the link Up. Boom Daniel hernandez paid me

(01:42:51):
to go have shots fire the Chief, keef what's up
with you And Jim? Jones he, said What jim's? What
jim was the number? TWO i was the number one.
Paperwork wait, no, no what he did was he put
the audio up, Right i'm oblivious to the. AUDIO i
see see watch out Loom. Im it's on the. Internet

(01:43:16):
we made show us. Everywhere so when the audio come
On i'm listening To gym talk to mal murder plot
planning to execute what they gonna do now in this same, Audio,
loom you gonna understand this was used in the federal,

(01:43:36):
trial the only time the audio could be used in
the federal. Trial if the people on that audio. Authenticate
this ain't about no. Video, shoot this say't about no.
Movie this is what it. Was six' nine is telling
me as he has told me about. Somebody else. Bro
whack dude's. A cooperant i'm. A cooperant i know who

(01:44:00):
was in line.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
With me but he also had he wanted to kind
Of Diminish jim jones's status. As, well no he Wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Tripping jim Then is jim homis that was.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
Surrounding it, but yeah but all, of them all of
this who he sent, to jail they all.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
Start cutting throat, one another trying to get each other out.
The way oh this dude. Doing this don't trust, this
dude don't. Trust it they had all. Doing it he
know it because they coming. To, Him right SO what? I,
Did okay loom and me and you like, this RIGHT
and i hear audio.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
On you what You think i'm? Gonna do. HIT me
i send him.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
THE audio, i, say, bro dude just putting this. Audio
up i'm trying to. Understand It what i'm here sounded.
Like conspiracy give me. A call let's go. Over it
this is the same gym or. ANYTIME else, i say
give me. A call he call From not they.

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
Forward, crickets yeah but it's also some, internet, ship, like
yeah if you on, the internet this club house uploading
some ship talking about this and that this is. Internet
ship how was that?

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
Internet ship it's on.

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
The internet if it's really if it's, really scenario if it's.

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
You know why six nine new were to find it
because he was the Number one kawaii, He, said wow
it was three. OF us i was, Number, one jill,
he SAID if i wouldn't have got on the stand
to get my bill to get out of that, Forty
seven jimmy.

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
Was NECK but i wouldn't want you to hit me
on the internet. ABOUT it. I didn't i. Text him
but you already went up. With, this, no no they
you just said you found out. About, It listen i'm.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
SITTING back i brought six nine on there be cause
the ship they, ASKING me i don't know nothing, About
It so i'm just. Sitting back i'm. Being educated i'm
in all kind. OF shit i ain't never heard. My
life so when they come at him About The jim,
jones shit he Like What jim Jones, ain't no this
is what. He Said What mail murder was sleeping on.

(01:46:05):
THE float I Took, meil murder his so called big
homb me and put him in, the spot helped him get,
a car put money in. His, pocket boom don't come.
At me What was jim doing For? Mail murder matter,
Of Fact jim jones as was. Number two they had
em more conspiracy charges. Against ME but i, tell, him
yo what you're? Talking about, homi're LIKE oh i did
what you? Just did you don't?

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
Believe? Me boom he put it up preuss playing now
so he pressing play of a recording of Them Using
jim jones Talking To mail murder in the.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Court, room no He Talking. Mail murder call him, and,
say hey this.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Was old phone tap in. The evidence what's?

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
GOING on I Remember mail murder.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
Is here so to the police on, The board mail,
Up here jimmy just a rapper.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Down, here yeah, hey homie this is.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
Going on show how he number two and a rapper
down here that don't? Make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
Was this i'm gonna tell you where it's finna. Make
sense Mail. Called jim this is on the. Wire, tap hey,
this whoot, the woop this this and this six 'y
nine doing this with, the Whoop and i'm finna, Do.
This jim you ain't finna. Do nothing you know what
the fan's. Eyes, Did, okay jim with you how you

(01:47:20):
want me to? Hand, it oh let me take this
and move him up a. Few knots you just told
the head nigga what he not?

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
Gonna do you?

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Do this you make shot he, do this tell him
to do this and he better. Do this and, then
okay but what about. The security you think they got fired. On,
him listen, my nigga. He ain't they ain't got. No
fire they can't have Fire In new york unless they
off duty and this, this this and even then they're in.
The run so what you do is y'all start hitting,
u security hit six. Non security this Coming from Jim To,

(01:47:54):
mel murdery who they thought was a shot calling hit.
The security when the, security weakened they gonna get away
from because they don't walk. Their polyms and then y'all
get him out.

Speaker 1 (01:48:03):
The way this is on the.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
Federal, wiretap, now no you ain't got.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
A conspiracy now we so were planning that we're getting in.
The wheeze how you ain't got.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
A sistance but why you keep?

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
This though how you ain't got. A CONSPIRACY but i
can guarantee. You, THAT listen i can guarantee you the
fast got you on the line with. Loose cannon

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