Feat Wack 100 - Wack 100 Breaks Silence! Exposes Big U Beef, Jim Jones–Tekashi69 Wiretap & Shocking Ray J Info, Suge Knight, tupac & Diddy - Part 1 - ITS UP THERE PODCAST W/LOONEY

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I want to spend a little bit more time on
Clubhouse because I think that's where, in my opinion, some
people would say that club House took you from a
maid man to a market.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Listen, you call me lady, get away with it.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
That is a rapper, and I will beat out of
that little bitty as you talk about it. Well, club
House is how I was introduced to.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
The YouTube what we call the YouTube streets.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Remember, I tell you we got different divisions. So the
person they like, Yo, why you tell on Coo to
be like? I didn't tell on Cool to beat cool
to be told on me? He put the link up
Boom Daniel her name, that's paid me to go have
shots for the chief key.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I could break thirty thousand.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
If I could break thirty thousand, twenty five thousand, nine thousand,
seven thousand, twenty five, I don't got a question you
doing me dirty because at the end of the day,
no do that.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
What's up with you and Jim Jones? And said what
Jim was the number two? I was the number one?
What mail brother was sleeping on the floor. I took
meil murder his so called big homby and put him
in the spot, help him get a car, put money
in his pocket. Boomo, don't come at me like what
was Jim doing for mail murder? Matter of fact, Jim
Jones as was number two. They had more conspiracy charges

(01:15):
against me. You don't believe me, Boom. He put it
up on phone tap in the evidence going on. I
remember so to the police on the board. Mail up here,
Jimmy just a rapper down here. Yeah, hey, hommie, this
is going on.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Show how he number two and a rapper down here?
That don't make sense? Watch this.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm gonna tell you, Whiston, that makes sense. How you
ain't got a conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I can guarantee you the FAZ got you on the
line with loose cannon.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
I don't like how the Big U and wags Man
because they showed a lot of the youngsters the.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Red and Blue make green.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
That's a FIVET, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
So I just didn't like it, and we'll get to
that in the minute.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
I have never been to Alan Grumblatch's office about a
deal for Whack one Hunded Company, because you can't do
that if you know the music business, and I'm pretty
sure you do in the podcast business.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Nobody can't go get nobody's contract.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
If these dudes is big you big homents and they
still have a relationship with you, that says something. It
speaks volumes one.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
But also I'm wondering how much of that you can
really trust and lean on? Nah loud the people that
I have a comrade, quit on wolves.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
I'm a wolf, I'm a lone wolf.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, everybody I deal with from wherever they're from or
winning games.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
How you think they feel about you? Though? Who you
And because with all the big.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Keeter Rocke has called me two months ago as Mac
been my comrade.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
If the ain't nothing changed?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
So what shug wasn't no games?

Speaker 2 (02:44):
No shug.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Listen, you was not born coming up and compt it
and you making it to college? The college was the
penitential right If you've ever seen Sug, yeah, Sug.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
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(03:14):
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(03:37):
If you enjoy the content to the next level, you
come to patreon dot com. It's up there podcasts. Do
appreciate y'all. It's up there podcast. Let's get on to
the show. Thank you, yo, yo, Welcome to It's up
There podcast. You know the vibes final boss shit. You
dig what I'm saying. I got a guy who they

(03:58):
act like hard to find. They act like you hard
to find. They act like you're hard to find.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
The DM and the text in the time of the location.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Man straight up on me, Man time on time too.
That's how you know that executive side still in him.
You know what I'm saying. And one thing I want
to say is ain't no bunch of you didn't know
what you was coming into. You push up by yourself,
but you.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Gotta realize where you come from, where our generation. It's
all saying that you got to eliminate the hesitation in it.
You know, when I leave a house, I leave a
house expecting not to come back. I'm just gonna do it.
I can't to make it back.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Fact, So you.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Know, your training is your training, intuition is your intuition.
Gut feeling is your gut feeling. You know, every every
day he was popping up on my I G feed. Yeah, right,
So I said, let me go check the brother out
because I didn't know who you was, right, So I'm
checking you out. I said, Oh, he one of us.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Facts, He ain't no gimmick.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
This is a brother who that have been through some things.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
He got some time, he didn't figured out something he
can do that's making sense and uh, and he doing it.
So you know I'm not I always want to help
support and uplift and build. You know, I didn't send
you nothing talking about how much you're gonna pay me.
Let me come higher at you because I know this content,
right is something your people wasn't ready for it. And

(05:28):
I respect the fact that you don't hold nothing back
on what you asking the person. And I'm gonna be
real to all y'all in the YouTube streets y'all starting
to get making it boring for me. It's getting born
because it ain't. None of y'all really asking nothing worth answer.
Ain't pushing that.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
I don't tell nobody. I'll give anybody any restrictions.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Saying he can't ask you, you ain't telling me, like Loan,
don't ask me this. You can't talk you ain't.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
You ain't.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Ain't even question me about the questions of what we're
gonna talk about or nothing. I respect that. That's what
I told you on the farm, Like how.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Many how many parole boys I didn't been in front
of him. We don't know what they're gonna ask. Just
be prepared to answer the question.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
One thing about you, though, like I say, you don't.
You don't duck no wreck when it comes to this shit.
You know what I'm saying, You ain't duck it. And
I really appreciate the fact you enjoy the conversations because
it might get heated, we might disagree, but one thing
for show, the boy ain't ducking this shit, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Then, but then talking to you momentarily the other day,
Oh but you told me you was on your way west.
You know you mentioned my brother name and I said,
oh shit, it's really good.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, that's my name I'm talking about. I got real love.
I thank God for dude. Dude pulled me out the street. Man,
I can't ain't nothing. I'm talking about. Whatever with QCP
is always love and respect.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
On my I feel whatever he feels.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
I do to listen.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Too many people call my phone to tell me nothing
and my woman to tell you, and I take that
call in front of my woman.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
This is him, hey, and then you slow down.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
You hear.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
All right? Bro? No, I'm for real, all right, I
hear you right.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
She know who it is, but she love and respect
him because she know what he's telling me is for
my own good.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
You know, I just and he he keeps things from
me because he know our trip. You know what I'm
saying to deal with a lot of but he you know,
he know, like do what he tell people.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Man, whack just tripped out.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
I can't stop him if he you go over there
saying something about me or anything on my team or
anything part of the team. Bro ain't calling me to
ask me no questions. By the time he called me,
he probably I ain't gonna even tell him. I'm just
gonna deal with it. So you know what then, and
you know what then talking to you, you know then
once you mentioned that. You know, plus, I just respect

(08:08):
your platform. I respect your moving which without so it's
only right that I've reached to you and say, brother,
let me come sit out with you, give you some content.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Now. For sure, we're gonna we're gonna definitely chop it up.
As far as Pee. A lot of people see my
what I've done in the game because little Baby was
my first interview. That's why you know I come in
the game slick mad talking about baby with the money
like I come in upset about that. You know what
I'm saying because for me, it's like them is real solid.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
You know why you can't get mad about people talking
about a little baby?

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Why?

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Because he don't get mad?

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Right, he don't.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
You don't get yo, now he don't, he don't. I'll
never forget. It was off set, off set.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
They had a little gallery something out here, probably about
five six years. But I actually no, it's like twenty eighteen,
twenty seventeen. It's sixteen seventeen. Little baby in there, Pee
and everybody in there, little baby moving around. Ain't nobody
saying nothing to it? Right, migos get there, everybody go crazy.
Me and little baby in the VIP, I say, he

(09:18):
the where are you moving with? The team you with?
And the next year or two it's gonna be you.
He just looked at me and he was very humble.
But what I realized, as humble as he was that
day when people didn't know him, he's still the same
humble today.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
He is an anomaly in his game.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
I put that on my kids, Like every time I'm
around him, I just I be having them remind him.
Like even when we were just on tour, I would
with him a couple of days and I'm looking, I'm
telling him, Bro, can you hit the crowd? He like, lone,
I can't even hit the crowd. I got them in
years in. I don't know what I'm saying. Brudy Folks
is screaming word for word with your records, and it's

(09:59):
only literally him Rod Wave. It's only a handful of
they can get up at without all the bells and whistles,
just one man on the stage and they go crazy.
Twenty thousand people. You know what I'm saying, but a
lot of people think I came in the game through Charlemagne.
Because I got a break with Charlemagne with the deal
to iHeart and all of that. Peteing them really put

(10:19):
me in the game, you know what I'm saying. Before that,
I had a revote situation. But when I did that
little baby interview, it took me up five million dollars.
You know what I'm saying. Because I'm a hustle, I
know what to do with a look like that. I
did his roll out interview for it's only uh, it's
only me, gotcha, Oh, it's only else. Whichever the name
of the album, and I know they're gonna be hot.
I forgot the name of the album, but whatever the

(10:41):
name of the album was, I did his roll out interview.
And what they're done for my career money, I can't
never repay them for.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, I mean, listen, Pete didn't been there for me.
Well what nobody is for me? I think the only
time we got into it, when I tried to give
him something, he got a little irritated with you know,
he looked at me like it was disrespectful. Blue face,

(11:09):
very instrumental me breaking Blue Face. I had a relationship
with Cardi B previously because me and Kate Slay my
big brother may rest in peace. I was the president
of Straight Stunt Magazine, so we would do our Straight
Stunt Magazine release parties. Back then, Cardi was still dancing,

(11:29):
so when she would come to the vi P, you
know they'd be trying to rotate them out. We would
let Cardy just stay in the VIP and get her money,
you know what I'm saying. And so when it came around,
Pe was managing Cardi B. At the time, Cardi B
was already on her way up, but because I had
Pe there, Pe was able to put it in front

(11:49):
of her and be like, Yo, this wife, I know
y'all got a relationship. That's my brother. So she did
the verse, did the video. Call me personally and said,
I'm in town, but the studio shut down. I called French.
French was in Morocco. I said, I got Cardi I
need the studio. I need to take her somewhere. She come,
French got his just spoted up up the way. French

(12:12):
opened the studio up, brought Blue Face in. She laid
the verse, showed up, did the video. She only had
one request. She wanted my red bandana shivy there and
UH did the verse and uh when I went to
go try to give them something, they looked at me
like I was crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. So

(12:32):
you know I'm q CPS. QCP is me. That's my
brother in a different way, right or wrong. I'm telling people, listen,
it don't matter. Don't don't don't call me, don't.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Don't talk about it. Ain't nothing to talk about it.
You know what I'm saying. When you when you talk
about Cardi B what's your relationship with us?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Now? Great?

Speaker 3 (12:54):
I still you know, when she wanted to call me,
she called me when she's time to call me, when
it it's my time to call her, because I know
her certain things get that going on on the internet.
I text her, I still got our direct and I like, hey,
don't feed into that.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
You know, I know Cardi. She a good person.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
But she's a female, and she's a female that comes
from something, and she's a female that carries a lot
of weight. Right, her life is her life, but the
way she carries the life she comes from, she can't
react in those ways because of who she is. Now,
you know, what I'm saying. So I reach out to
Carti because we got a personal relationship, and she knows

(13:36):
when i'm our respect her and things I'm telling her
it's for her own goods.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
So we still talk.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Whenever her and her significant her ex significant other going
through things. She know that I'm talking to both parties.
She know if you know something she need to know
or find out offset the same way, you know, them
little used to be in my ghost pressuring me to
take him to taco.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he diggas.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Go to Taco Bill, run the bill up to two
hundred and drive through Taco Bell Billy.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Two hundred is crazy.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
It's four five of them me, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
But it was crazy.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
So it was like, you know, we still I got
a lot of love and respect for Cardi and I
understand her, you know what I mean. So, and I'm
one of those if she get to go in too crazy,
if I sent her a text sis slow it down
a little bit, she should.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
She'll that I'm noticing too.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Man.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
That's something that's happening with card as far as the internet.
When every time she drops a song, it feels like
they go find some song that sound like it and
then try to say like you're biting And I think
this comes from them understanding that she works with writers
and shit, so they're looking for loop poles to discredit her.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
They did that with up I got the call on that, right,
but up, and now they doing that with this new
joint she.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Got and this hord this works. This is real talk.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
When you go look at the n individuals claiming the song, right,
it was like three years ago, really didn't have no.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Views on Spotify. So what happens is this.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
A lot of these people is leasing beats on YouTube, right,
A lot of these producers that go over there, and
the producers probably need to start doing things a little
different now too, because they're being put up under pressure.
A producer shouldn't allow somebody to lay on their production

(15:34):
if they ain't pay them for it.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
You lay, you pay.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
I'm gonna tell you why people go in there and
lay on production, but then they never do the business
of it. But then they got the two track, they
don't have the files. They got the two track over there,
so they'll go put it up to see what it do.
If it don't do nothing, It's kind of like they
threw it away. Now this individual, the producer, he in
another session, or he didn't send beat packs out or whatever, right,

(16:01):
even demos of songs. Somehow it makes it to somebody
like Cardi Bees's team, Cardi Bees's team, here's it. Get
it to the an R and or get it to
the management management tase Cardion studio.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Cardy hears it, I like it. She lazy.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
The producer ain't never been paid by these other people.
He probably don't even know. Because it got one hundred
and ninety views, it's even up anywhere Cardy lays it,
it goes up because it's her. Now you claiming she
she couldn't steal nothing. She ain't never been in the studio,
which she don't know who you are. She ain't never
heard that on the internet. Because if Cardi heard it

(16:41):
and wanted it, she would have just reached out to
you and did the business.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
The team would have took care of. They massive over there, so.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
They took By the time it gets to Carty, right,
it didn't went through all of that.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
But owns got the fire.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Got the stems. Yeah, that's who owns that.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
You know what I mean? If you ain't got no
producer agreement.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
If you ain't clear to say, you ain't get all
the business that I know Atlantic did before they put
that out.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
You just talking, Yeah, you're just talking. But I still
think it's interesting because the allegations are picked up by
all the blog sites. Like usually if someone be like yo,
blue Face stole this song and shit really don't get
no traction, I'm tripping off, Shade Room and Neighborhood Talk,
all these different platforms would take and basically post a

(17:37):
baseless claim against Cardi. It almost feels like an attack.
If you ask me, it feels like there's a there's
an agenda to kind of discredit her ability in the studio.
You know what I'm saying as a whole, Like I
don't get it.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Let's let's let's let's get this straight right here, right
because I understand it. Flunk Master flex some time ago
comes what to you can't be considered the top m
See if you don't write your own wraps. Now, if
we go to R and B, ninety nine percent the
R and B artists don't write nothing. They got writers,

(18:12):
They got writers camps literally right, But you can take
that same writer put them in the booth and the
song don't go nowhere. So everybody need everybody, you know
what I mean. It's just like Denzel ain't writing the
script of their movies. He just following what the writer wrote, right.

(18:33):
But then the dude that wrote the movie can get
up there and try to do what Denzel do it
don't work out. So that don't take away from who
Cardi is as a personality as an artist, her physical appearance,
her delivery, her performance.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Right. But see that's to you as understand the business.
They ain't attacking you. It's almost like the fishing scam
text messages that go out. You will see that shit
and be like, because I get them, like yo, your application,
your resume. I'm saying, man, what the fuck is this?
But it ain't for me. It's for the people who

(19:07):
don't know that this exists. So it's a taking a
casual fan of Cardi b it ain't gonna it ain't
gonna work on it like you or me that understand
the business. But I do think it's effective to the
people who are just casuals, like when they see shade
room posts, Uh, Cardi stole another song, Well, Cardi stole

(19:27):
this song. I really feel as though that it's more
effective than people like us can can understand because we
see the bullshit and we understand the business side.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Well, you know what we can't.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
I'm glad you said it because now it tells me
that I got an obligation.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
We can't leave it up to Shade Room.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
And these other blogs to do the research and even
understand how the business works. Right, So now I feel
like maybe I need to go to my channel and
do a whole segment and break down how that part
of the business work.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Right.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Eric Bellinger very talented, super talented. He thene wrote half
of Chris Brown's hits. But if Eric probably performed them
same songs, they probably wouldn't win as far as they win.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
That doesn't take away from Eyeric Bellinger, because without his
ideology and his pen, Chris wouldn't have been able to
do what he did.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
That don't take.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Away from Chris as well, right, because we're talking about
one of our top performers. When we mentioned who clo
who's closest to Michael Jackson is Chris Brown is in
the conversation, right, So this is the entertainment business and
before it gets in order for it to get to you,

(20:46):
for you to visually be entertained, and here what was
to your liking.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
It's things that have to happen.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Process, makeup, wardrobe, A dude that can't dare choreography. You
get what I'm saying. You know, the song has to
be created. You're right. What's unique about what we do
is we just come up here in freestyle. We are
in We don't have no scripts. And I'm pretty sure
you didn't set in front of some people to where

(21:16):
you damn there need some bullet points because they just
can't take a conversation and floating. So Cardi B Is
one of our upper exche line superstars. She is one
of our A list artists and she's been that and
she's earned that because of where she come from, from
social media, from love and hip hop, you know, from

(21:37):
grinding it out and doing what she doing. Bro, She's
done something that I would have bet against. Cardi ain't
dropped the album in six seven years. Most people she
got one album. Most people right that attempts to do
that falls off. She stays relevant, she stays talked about.

(22:00):
She's continue to keep herself beautiful. Yeah, and she's staying
part of the conversation, right.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah. Now, she got a hell of a fan base.
They can't take that from her. But I think that's
what they're trying to do, is trying to rob her
of some of that equity that she has in the
culture when they start to be like another one. See
here's the thing, bro, And I think you understanding this
right the way that you paint a narrative and how
we can start to chip away. See, you don't take

(22:30):
a bad down with the first you got to chip away.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
You gonna keep coming.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, so I think they chipping They trying to chip
at it, chip at it, chip at it. But long
as she continues to, you know, deliver, Sh'll be okay. Man.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Cardy hasn't even begin to go into her bag of tricks.
You get what I'm saying. If we talk about what
contributed to her big bang, that was when she crossed
over and did the Latin thing on the features, she
ain't even went over there. CARDI can shut down right now,

(23:09):
go over there, do a Latin run, tap into that
fan base that's probably be stronger than the urban fan base.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Mixed the two come back and do another run.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
So that's a bear that it's gonna be very The
only person that can take Cardi down is Cardi, right.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Or Nikki if Nicki want to go one on one,
but she don't got the time. The business ain't gonna
allow that. You don't think Nikki can take Cardy down?

Speaker 2 (23:37):
She can't do it.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Kiss my mother.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
I'm gonna tell you why Nikki ten years ago could
have did it. The married Nikki, the mother Nicki.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
She don't got that venom no more.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
She ain't got that venom no more. Now, if you
come at Nikki, she gonna stand up, but she gonna buck.
She's been up under that cash money thing they want.
She ain't know nothing but.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
To do that.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
But you know, at this point, the only thing they
can do as women in this game is avatar plugging
to each other, uplift and get on the tour and
make a run. Yeah right, And I would love to
see them do a tour to where it ain't no
fight on who go headline? If it's thirty dates, fifteen shows,

(24:27):
you headline, fifteen shows, she headline.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
You know, I think the ego in our culture bro
is out of control. I did enjoy. We had a
moment and salute to Yo. Got it because I think
he kind of spearheaded it when he would sign an
act like money Bag Yo, he would do a joint tape,
and then you start to see joint tapes. You saw
a thug and a future tape, You saw a draking

(24:50):
a future tape. You start to see people do that.
It just disappeared. Joint tapes kind of just went away.
And I'm wondering because for me, that's such, that's a
great idea. I know, the business on the back end
is always something that is in question because who label
gets it, what who contract doesn't count for you know,
those go towards both of them.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
When we did og Bobby billions outside More three had
already did it and it didn't perform too well. Four
or five months later, blue Face hooked with him and
he does it his way.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
So y'all's done more than More three, Jump more three?

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Ship was I like.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Fourteen fifteen thousand streams. That was it. It was standing still, right,
that's all it was. For whatever reason it didn't perform.
Maybe they didn't respect the combination of Bobby and MO
three wherever they're from.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
I feel like some Dallas politicians.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
I personally I love the song. Yeah, personally, I love
more Three Shot Out Praying Wider. I believe they did
a great child. So when Blue Face steps in, he
brings Bobby out. He let Bobby go to his crib.
They did everything together, right, shot the video everything. He
delivers it to me. I get on the phone with Ghazi.

(26:13):
There's now it's a problem with the labels, right, my
label and Bobby's up at Empire Ghazi family. Gozi called
me and said, Wack, you know, it's ain't gonna be
no problem. We're gonna work it out. I got out
and Grumblack on the phone, the one that was running
the one. I got Ghazi on the phone. I said, hey,
listen out it. That's the artist blue Faces over here

(26:35):
and this building over here. At this time, I said,
what we're gonna do. He gonna put this money up,
y'all gonna put this money up. We're gonna break everything
down the middle. It's gonna go on Bobby's page, It's
gonna go on Blue Face page.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Empire is Better. Got a stronger.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Team at doing these things, and we got a stronger
team that doing these things. So we're gonna attack this
and we're gonna had that, and it was cool.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
We let it go.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
We shot passed, right, This shot passed Soul store. Let
me tell you what they did. And only because it
was Ghazi, I let it happen. So Blueface say, uh,
I'm gonna call my version better Days, so they know
the difference between outside what Bobby and MO three did

(27:22):
and with Blue Face and Bobby did, so ours was
called better Days. When they looked up and saw twenty million,
thirty million, forty min is growing, they turned around and
changed the name of the MO.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Three versions real I didn't know that and called.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
That better Days. Right, So what they did they put
out in parentheses better Day. So now when people coming
to look for the joint, don't neither one of them
say more three or Blue Face. When you're gonna look
at Spotify, you gotta dig to see that. They starting
to hit the other one in search each of the

(28:00):
other way. So what it did for Empire, right, Gazi,
my brother, What it did for Empire was give them
a boost on the other version they had.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
They were double dip.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
We lost probably about thirty thirty five percent of what
really would have just went to us.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
If it would have just said better day.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Even right now in today, I believe it's like seventy
five million now. It then got that to seventy five million,
and we like one hundred and thirty hundred and forty
million on the Blue Face edition.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Right, I ain't know that, man, I'm tripping.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Listen, let me listen. I had to tell somebody this
other day, I'm about to open your eyes. Blue Face
did boosted it and put their cables to a couple
artists who was teetering. Bobby Billions. One my man from Memphis,

(28:57):
Chopper in Elite Chopper shot a Flow.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
So go check the remix.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Listen you okay now that boy, Chopper, hell now, I'm
giving you this so you can go do the research
on that.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Bobby Billions, Our better Days outside Boom nl E Chopper
Love Nephew, The Devil Loves Mama Crazy, Remind me of
my mama.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
That's my home girl Shotter Flow remix.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Go check them, Go check and see what was already
there and what happened when we remixed it and Blue
Face remixed that. On the studio bus we was out
on tour with a little baby twenty nineteen and I
had Stunner.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Get us a studio bus.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
The only reason why that happened, DDG Calabasas, go look
at the original.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
I can see that for DDJ.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Go look at the.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Original and look at it. Months later when blue Face touched.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
It, y'all charge DDG for that is him and blue
Face still good, show him support.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Brother and say blue Face needs something weak d d
G solid.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
So he did.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
So that's three. That's three of them right there, and
that's you know.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Most like like Blue got about Blue probably got about
three folk platinums and three folk goals.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
It's a lot of money. People don't even people.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
And is that major? Is that just through your your life?

Speaker 3 (30:33):
No, that's some cash money and then some like and
all that was Indie that distributed through E one right,
So it's a lot, you know, it's a lot.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
That went on with him, and he don't get his
his just.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Dude, Chop is one of them.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
All is too.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Like I see he gets frustrated because he's like, yo,
I got all these planks, all these listens, these views
over billionaires, and when they talk about the young they
just act like he.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Ain't wanted and won.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Now I will tell you this now because I got
a lot of respect for Nephew, A lot of them.
I men even have a mustache, right, I got a
lot of You can tell you a few reasons why,
and I've never said these things to him. One, when
people thought it was over for him, he kept grinding.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
I look up.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
He didn't created uh uh diets and all kinds of shit,
you know, health the whole health run. Two he become
a fashion statement. Three I'm gonna tell you what was
more gangster than anything with Nephew.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Everywhere he go.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
He has a brother that's from the community. His brother
be right there with him, fun Center. Most rappers would
have tried to do what high. Yes, yes, they tried
to the fact, you know what I'm saying, And I
respect that in his mama and his daddy is part
of the team. I gave him his stylist sister name

(32:05):
Mike kel out of Detroit. Actually his her mother just
got part in after thirty something years, you know what
I'm saying. So yeah, but I really that's why when
him and Blue Face started getting into it, called.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
I forgot about Yeah, they had a little run in junior.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah, I called his mama me and his mama got
on the phone and I'm like, you know, this can't happen.
I didn't even want to call him because I didn't
want him to feel like I was calling him to
press him get on him about nothing, because I got
a lot of love and respect, and I know he
respect me. You know what I'm saying. He showed up
for my daughter sweet sixteen. You know, he didn't did
a lot of sentimental things. And I told Blue Face, hey,

(32:41):
we gotta figure out another way. I don't even remember
what it was about.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, yeah, I know blue Face was out for he
went to jail or he was pushing the line on
the rapper.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, because he was blue Face telling him getting.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
The ring on the rapp I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
He was.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
He was coming strong where you pull up like and
I think I guess because he boxing his ship so
he felt comfortable in that squad.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
You gotta remember, this is a this is a let's
ax out the streets. This is an athletic young man
who's been in the position of quarterback, so he's always
in the position of leadership and being confronted with a challenge.
You know, you play ball pretty shore, so when you're
in that position. You're the captain of the team, and
you gotta deal with the field. Read the field.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
So his mindset is always an act. You know.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
When he comes to me, he said, listen, I'm assigned
to you, but I want you to teach me right now.
I wasn't scared to teach him because he wanted those
that when he become that boss. He always had me. Anyway,
a lot of dudes want to handicap their artists. You
know that, ain't every Every last one of my artists
is a boss. Ray J is a boss. Ray J

(33:49):
gave me my first job, executive job in the game.
He pulled me out of the goon ship to the office.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
What made him do that?

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Everybody had turned their back and he was in the
studio working, studio working, and he knew I had a
relationship with DJ K Slay. At the time, New York
Radio was burnt down by sugaring him from the West,
so he like, yo.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
You got the radio plugs? He had.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Detailed was homeless in Detroit. Ray J don't get a
lot of credit for things he did. Detail was homeless.
Ray J moved Detail out here, letting him live in
his mother house. From that came six he cannot without sex,
he can on There's no drunken Love, There's no because

(34:41):
that song is what gave detail his No rid Acon
got hits, everybody got hits out of him. It was
because of that move. Ray J seeing this man homeless
and took this man and brought him back, let him
stay at his mama house, got a shout out the
La buck l a young buck. He was an instrumental

(35:04):
in that too, And from that came Sexy Canna, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
And from that I thought there was a hit maker record.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
No, that was all record. What we did is we
allowed them the lights. They paid us to put it
on on Hit on Young Birds album. They paid us
six figures to run it bowt legging. That came out
on All Our Feel Ray J's album. But then right
after that they put it on they let it float
to that album. And it was for a reason because see,

(35:33):
you gotta remember, if you got a song that already
did numbers right right when you put it on another album,
it may not go to the first week. Well back
then it was going to the first week count. Now
it's going to the overall, which helps you chart. That's
what's going on with what Cardy.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, and all those songs, so she platting them before
she even dropped. She platting them before she put the
titles to her songs flag behind it. Yeah, but it
don't matter because she cushion it for the boardroom. That's
a boardroom.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
That's a boardroom. Got nothing to do with the fans.
That's but I will say this for the world to know.
She got a song on their five years old, another
song on their three years old, and then the most current.
The reason why the label was doing it like that,
it's because the budget that these songs were done from

(36:28):
is from the album.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Budget that she's releasing.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
It ain't like all this.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
They just been waiting on Cardy. Okay, then why the delay?
Cardy been having kids?

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yes, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Relationship problems, you know, legal problems, was going on with
her significant other things was going on to where she
wasn't focused or wasn't that she didn't want to do it.
It just things started happening. So these songs was part
of the project. The project just took a little longer
to come out.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, for sure. Now I will say this about the
outside and better days. MO three voice is what made
that song.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
I love what I love about what I love about
all of them. First of all, I just talked to
ring while the other day I'm like, bro, I love
O G Bobby Billions because he got that mclot that melodic.
I'm a rod wave fan me too. I love that.
That hard All Nights touched my soul. Yeah, he he

(37:32):
do to me with Kevin Gates bars.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Do that he touched Kevin When you.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Got that melodic thing going on and then you got
that MO three delivery going on, right, you couldn't. It
was an explosion. I tell Blue Face, ain't nephew show
you want to play with that? He said, Yeah, I'm
gonna play with it my way and give it another look.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Because I was like, I took nuts to do that, Bro.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
But and and he played it. Listen, Not only did
he play with it, the people spoke.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Is that you working it or the people liking the record?

Speaker 3 (38:09):
No? Our only only thing we do is that maybe
the first push and when when gods like us work.
So you got a bunch of felonious, fraudulent dudes playing
with bots? Yes, No, because I got some game. I'm
gonna get to you too.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Right.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
It's like this, when the pastor step in front of
a congregation, if he got a congregation of a hundred, right,
he can guess to make thirty to fifty percent of
these people gonna donate.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
So that's thirty to fifty people.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
If I put this same congregation in front of a
thousand front of the past in front of a thousand,
and the same rules of plot numbers apply. Now that's
three hundred, the five hundred. If I put that same
pastor in front of ten thousand or a million people,
the same percentage, but it brings a bigger number. So

(39:08):
I'm able to take a song right instead of it
being put in front of because more three and Bobby
Bellions was part of the same label Empire, and at
the time, what the Empire would do they would push
the song out and they'll see if it catches, and
then if it catches, then they'll push it.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
I'm pushing it.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
I'm saying, program the song in front of ten million,
A percentage of the ten million gonna like it.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
We gonna see it, they gonna stream it.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
We're gonna tap into they analytics and see who they
fan base are, and now we're gonna put the song
in front of them and then we get off of
it and let it naturally do it stay right. This
is why when Spotify was doing it sweet, you never
heard of blue face a game on Ray J's music
it being pulled down right.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
There was a whole lot of cats we was in.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
They got Hedrick posed to had allegedly lost a lot
of listeners, and people are losing listeners for whatever reason
right now.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Now see what, Kendrick, I'm gonna tell you why.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
It's a little tricky. You're dealing with two powerhouses that
know the game. Right. So if I'm on the other
side of it and it is just me speaking, right,
I know some things, but I'm just gonna I'm speak
in general. If I'm on the other side of it,
I opposing Kendrick right, and I'm knowing, God damn, this

(40:37):
song is moving. I see it organically moving, and I'm like,
at this pace. Because I've had songs that moved at
this pace, I know where it's gonna end up. I
can hit my team, a hit them people over there
in India. Body mother here, take this thirty thousand, yeah,
and put I want five million bots on there back

(41:00):
and you wait, right, Kendrick ain't doing nothing, it's organically
growing right, And then you say, oh, I think this
is going on? Where you know what's going on because
you the one paid to do it, right, Kendrick in
them is smart enough to know that when you going
hit their head with another powerhouse, you can't play no games.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Now.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
This is why I say this. When you look at
the other side of it, it's squeaky clean. That's facts
you understand.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
What do you think you think it's zero.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Grow listen up up to see the other side of it.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Being squeaky clean tells you do you really think Kendrick
Lamar and his team knowing Remember Kendrick's first world tour
he opened up for who Boom?

Speaker 2 (41:55):
So common sense.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Tells you that these people know that they know the
game because they was doing it. Be funny you think
this man is fit to roll the dice on doing
some for Gayzy when he know that these people understand
it just like he understand it. But when you look
over there, it's squeaky. If you know you calling somebody

(42:17):
to record him, right, everything about your conversation gonna be
on this Lord yes, Lord that you asking them ship
to trigger them because you know it's still record, right. Okay,
did do you think Drake literally has zero bots?

Speaker 1 (42:32):
I just find that hard for any artist to have.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
You come from?

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Why come from?

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Nah?

Speaker 2 (42:38):
I got you looking at it another way now.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
You like, hold on, yeh, I don't think no artist
has zero bots. Like your cousin told you, hey, when
park to make sure.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
You clean.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Right and stay off your phone because they got you,
tapped you two blocks from the park, but you got
enough time to pull over.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
It's some bushes over.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
There, exactly right. If you don't watch it, no, no,
watch how it work. You come through the park right.
Loon they hit it. Everybody that usually got what they got.
They little weed, they peeled, they guns got them.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Everybody know. Loon is known.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
He ain't never not got it on him.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
But all of a sudden they didn't tow your car
up strip two naked, ain't nothing there.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Some of them negroes gonna say what Loon has?

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Some do.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
So sometime when you see the perception and I hate
to say it because I still have nightmares because at
a young early points in my life, you know, trickery
and Deceit worked against me because I didn't understand. You know,
when somebody this dude got a problem with this dude,
and here's a problem over here. So he had come

(43:56):
tell you what he really did to him. He did
so he could kill two birds with one song, and
you find out lady in the game, dude ain't had
nothing to do with it.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
But the whole time it was about his brawl. Right.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
So you know, when you're dealing with these type of things,
is there the younger generation ain't gonna understand it, respectfully.
We bragged about selling the dope. They bragged about using
the dope. So when you're using the dope, your scruples here,
ain't doing this.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah, we don't. We don't sleep, we rest.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yes, I can tell you right now you didne got
them several times, one, two, three o'clock in the morning.
And it's something here. You gotta pull it out, you
place in the backyard. You just you know, it's something
you thinking about.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
So the youngsters, anything you tell them they going off with.
They hen I hate thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
I hate that for them too, man, because they lost
in La La Land. You can tell them anything they
gonna move with it you know what I'm saying. And
but you understand that again, And we're gonna get to
some of the narratives that you cause you're you're a
hell of it with the narrative shit. You know how
to paint a narratives, turn a narrative twist.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
To take a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
But some people it's like I get warning to a
lot of people that only they know I'm giving them
a warning. You know, I might say something that only
they know what I'm saying. But it's like stop playing,
you know, because and people, the biggest thing I hear
is how does he got all this information? This is

(45:32):
the biggest thing. First, whatever is court documented is public record.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
First of all. Now, if we don't know you, we
don't know you. But once we even.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Bumped heads, like I got a that clubhouse app, I
didne took that app and turned it. That's a straight penitentiary.
I got divisions. If you go old clubhouses, say who's
the queen? You know one hundred side, they gonna say.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
R and B.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yeah. What I think is JG got.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Security, I got spies.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
I got research team at the exposers as military dudes,
dudes that do parent legal work. They don't talk, they
don't do much, but once it's time to go right,
they gonna dig into you.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
But you know what I think, when even when if
we rewind back to the pandemic, because a part of me,
I really want to talk about this clubhouse thing, even
if we rewind back to the pandemic. I say when
I first I did an interview with Riggie White a
long time ago, Yeah yeah, and I was telling him, Man,
I don't like how the big U and wag shit man,

(46:44):
because they showed a lot of the youngsters the red
and Blue make green.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
That's a fact.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
You know what I'm saying. So I just didn't like it.
And we'll get to that in the minute, but let's
just speak about clubhouse for a minute. I was say, Man,
this is whack running that shit like a real.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Prisons fact, like a gang, and he got folks respecting
the high archy and all shit.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
I'm tripping off that. But that's one of your your
strong suits is like, you know how to congregate me
because in lead and make because you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
I'm gonna tell you the reason why leading is easy
to me.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
I was taught young by my homeboy, little man six dudes,
brim I hate that penitentiary. Was a pup sixteen seventeen
and he was a lifer. He' home now doing great.
He said, you got two ways you can do it.
The dictatorship, which keeps the body weak because once you
knock the head off it can't function. Or the teacher

(47:43):
and the student. And the goal is as a teacher,
right as I am to you, right now you're my student,
is to turn your student into a teacher, right, he said,
Now something that come along with that. I said, what's that?
He said, it's who's in death to those before you.
You gotta remain the strongest soldier for the ones to follow.

(48:06):
The mission is to move forward, to get their means,
not to know how far to go. So I was
a student when I hit that yard, and I absorbed it.
It became a teacher, and then as a teacher I
start teaching other students. See, when you running that shot
called thing, right, you want to keep everything weak and
dependent in fear of you. But once you fall, the

(48:27):
causes is going, but.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
It's still a little bit of fear. It's still because
I don't respect nothing but violence and fear. So you
still had a there's still an element of people that
was on clubhouse, that's in your rooms and your part
of your congregation that when you raise your voice, so
you go get the big mic.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Can the well see that only happens to don't because see,
you gotta remember it got so big over there to
where you start having people sending people to infiltrate to
try to figure out what we was doing. Bro That
shit ain't closed down for three and a half years.

(49:07):
The hundred side of the clubhouse been opened twenty four seven,
is compiled of fifteen rooms. I got a squad that
schedules the rooms. We got backcheck.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
I gotta like a company. I gotta like I got.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
A security room backchack.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
If all of the hits the app and she in
the room and she start having a back and forth,
one of the spies is gonna send that link to
where she's at. They gonna say the queen getting into it.
The security of the hunding side beasts.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
You know when you say security, you basically did telling
about this. Finna come holling his scream.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
You know you got homie, so I took block that
can say the most hated shit bag talk about you like, right,
I got a squad of these crazy, these people that
that's what they do.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
I got administration people. When it's time.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
If I say, yo, lum, coming to clubhouse, they gonna
go create PTRs, the artwork with you. They gonna have
a waller uniform, the questions they're gonna ask, like, you
know what.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
I say, You're running it like a company man. But
but I wonder, because again, let's let's bag up to
the pandemic time. You had had no interaction with social
audio before that.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Dj K s Lay he made me get on the internet.
We fought. Whack one hundred was created because of case
Lay on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
He made me.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Stop, pull over, pull out your phone, download the app.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
I put in Whack it wasn't available. I put in
Whack one. It wasn't.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
If Whack one hundrey would have been avent about have
been Whacked one thousand, Whack one hundred was available, right,
So case Slay I'll never forget. He said, Hey, little bro,
they got this thing called clubhouse. He said, it's a
few days going on. I don't like they got all
the celebrities over there, he said, But the celebrities some

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of these clowns be.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Talking down to the regular people.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Now, case slave is a dude that likes to mingle
with the regular people, right, He said, I'm gonna have
somebody else send you an invite, because whatever you do
to invite E get in trouble for.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
And I know you finna come over. I don't know
what you're gonna do.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
And sure enough I came over there and it would
be some celebrities talking crazy, talking belt on the people,
and I'd be like, bro, what's up? They were like,
who is that this whack wha? I'm like, yeah, you
remember when you was the studio You the one got
slapped in the studio on strip. That's you, right, So
when world got out whack on Clubhouse, all the ones

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who knew they had the dirt either humble theyself or
they left.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
That's but that's crazy to me, man, because.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
I was alive from Loran. You gotta remember, I'm one
to one. I'm the only one like me that come
from the generation I come from in the business and
know what I know and have seen what I've seen
that will voice it and stand on these plans.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
You don't.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
You got a lot of people that know some things.
But they not gonna sit there and they ain't gonna
talk about it. But you got a lot of people
been on it on the street side, but not on
the corporate side. I didn't been in the building, I
didn't been over here. I know about that. I was
there for that. I was there for this. This is
why me and Redge get along so well?

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Right?

Speaker 3 (52:33):
And when should go to playing every now and then
we gotta like spanking like bro goes.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
I don't know why you want to whack Redge and
ray j that's back? What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
What did you understand that?

Speaker 1 (52:48):
The shit we know courage? You know some shit Mob James.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Mob James did what he did. You can but what
you can't take from me. Without Mob James, the stigma
of death Row wouldn't have been there.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
So he was the land.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
He brought the strength.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Can't nobody all these names you here, BUNCHERI out timmy them,
Mob James little brothers, his real little brothers. Mob brought
the strength. He brought the gangster shit over there. You know,
So what shug wasn't no sugar listen. Put it like this.
You was not born coming up in Compton, and you

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making it to college. The college was the penitentiary. All
you got to do is look at this age group
of his age bracket, and you tell me how many
people either your ass died or your ass was at
the penitentiary. Right, he got the money. He grew up
over there, as Reggie grew up over there. But Reggie
was a cop. His author was a cop, So should

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played it right. This wasn't just a copy hired. It's
somebody he knew that grew up over there. Mob James
them over there putting in work. They on some street ship.
They hustling, Right, so Shug got the bag and he
brought them around him. But see what happens is when
somebody like you come from where you come from and

(54:11):
get the bag. We hustle on the block to get
off the block. Exactly when you a dude that never
was on the block and you get the bag, you
run back to the block.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
You won't there know thearioty, we know that, but he
ain't go through what.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
You went through. Yeah, so that's crazy. So you said
he basically got rich and then wanted to really push
the po rule, the blood shit, the gangster ship.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Dude didn't make it to the penitentiary. He was damnar
thirty and some shit that ain't cool, right, but he
you know, he was infatuated with these stories and you know, but.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
We saw him put in We saw him pushing the
line though. We saw him get into it, and we
had a prey.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
When have you ever seen sug?

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Yeah, sug. Yeah, he just had to get into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
When the homies bagged up, you start seeing should get
hands put on him. Because I was the last one
to tell him, hey, look, bro, you got the whole
industry spook. Every time we pull up just scattering. I'm
thinking we hit out of a conversation with these people
and this other shit you doing. You know, he did

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something to the footbool cats that.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I'm like, bro, what you doing. You can't do that.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
They're pillar in on what's going on? Sit out and
talk business with these people. Right, So everybody started to
get away because and that's why ray J did what
he did. He said, whack you smart, you got connects,
and you dirty filthy. I'm R and B, but I'm
a little dirty filthy R and B. We gonna let

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you use your connects and let's get this thing done.
In the building at the time, Study Box on Main
Street was my neighbor. Stutter Box had the relationship with Shaq.
I had the relationship with k Slay, so we brought
that all together. Stutter Box used a shock to get
us in the building. I used the K Slay. If

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you go look at all, I feel K Slay is
the A and R or that album or that R
and B out there. So I'm standing on ray J
side as management steud of Boxer, standing on shocking them side.
They tried to get rid of Box and at him
out when the business was going, but I told him
you can't send ray J kept it gangster and like

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we finished seeing you on ray J. A your check.
I said, you got to pay Box. We ain't paying Box.
If it wasn't for Boxes, wouldn't come together or keep
the checks. They're like, well, we don't want to deal
with him. I said, well, send me box check and
then it took it, so they sent it to me.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
I'll never forget.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
It was the name of like Platinum West, and I
got him his bag and we can't move him from there.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
But but so I'm saying boy sug though there's so
many stories about him smacking this or doing this DRE.
He they had a couple of stories they say that
ship to DRE with these rappers and producers and so
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
He made DRE reaching to itself and challenge yourself. Now
let's talk about it death Row. Yes, Sug's company. Sug
is a marketing genius. That's his strength running the company,

(57:32):
the creativity of it all that that's DRE. That's that's
all these even Snoop, you gotta get with the Snoop because, okay,
watch this.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Prior to Tupac.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Going to jail, all the bs I was going on
with Tupac in the streets with law enforcement all that.
You ever heard Sug mention the Tupac. You know where
him going to get Tupac out of jail come from?

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Snoop, I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Snoop DOGG said we need to go get him, we
need him. Everybody turned their back on him, Snoop dog Right,
Sug listened to him. He went and did what he
did right. This is why it hurt Snoop so much
when Pop turnt on him the way he turnt on him.

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Because you gotta remember, while you was in jail, Snoop
was cool with bad Boy while you was on the
streets doing what you was doing.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Snoop was cool with bad Boy.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Now we all know and understand that Sugar is letting
you run your plate. Wasn't no death Row bad Boy
problems prid of that. But when you get out sug
riding away back then conflict soul units.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Right, So sug letting you run your plate?

Speaker 3 (58:50):
You think bad Boy and death Row didn't have enough
money to get rid of one another. That's what they
wanted to do, right.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
It felt like they were trying to on the low.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
No, they they ain't no trying to. You just think
it's just making two three hundred two of.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Them hitting them? Who gone?

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Okay, Now let's talk about that.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Park's original beef with bad Boy is him saying they
set me up.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Now, let's talk.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
About it five times he got here.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Let's talk about it. Dicky and Puff already at Quad.
They don't know you coming to Quad. The only people
know you coming to Quad is that paid you to
come lay a verse.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
But I gotta know you coming if I just get
win you there.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
No no hold on you ever been to Quad? When
you're up top, you know you can look down right,
they see him when he's walking down there. Hold on,
he got fifteen steps to the patty to the entry
to the lobby and it's another what ten.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Steps that little elevator.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Do you really think Biggie and Puff that's every bit
of ninety seconds had the resources to with the ninety
seconds assemble the team that was gonna meet Pocket that elevator.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
No, they was waiting on him. Okay, so when you
factor that in, they was waiting on Now, how.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Do we know that they didn't know who he was coming? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
They didn't know he was coming.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Because sometimes like you can was coming to lay up verse.
But that's what I'm saying. Sometimes when a big name
is coming to like with me and Herb, what we
finna do with her bo? Were we going that? They
are prepared knowing that me and her boy be there
at this time, like so it could be rumblings amongst
the people.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
The question, So, okay, we know he coming, We didn't
put the shooters outside the Robin not to kill him
to Robin, because they come to Robbin, they're gonna kill
you to kill him. On the sidewalk, right, we seen boom.
Next thing we know we hear shots. Look, we hear

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the shots and we know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
That we lined it. Are we staying in the studio
or we coming down to the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Scene staying in the studio. They came down.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
They came down. They heard the shots. They say, yo,
ain't pop if.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
We playing some mental tricks though we know tricks being played.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
You know we're talking about Biggie and and Puff right,
Puff ain't dealing with that time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
A purple running until you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Gotta be deep in had that type, you know, one
of them, you know, go to the funeral, pay for
the funeral, right they not on that Park looks up
and the first people he see y'all did it not.

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What's crazy is the gunman didn't even want to sparking.
Park sparked first, he hit hisself. He spark on the pool.
So when he sparked, they spark.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Right. They come down, they hear the shots. Jo ain't
come down.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
He look up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
You set me up, bro. They brought it up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
They trying to say that we're gonna step over and
keep moving if we didn't send the people right. So
that whole thing is what brought on the soul called beef.
This is why Biggie Hole mentality was, nah, man, I
ain't did we ain't did that? Did you really think

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if them boys had something to do with that? They
was that bold that come to Cali and they head,
we ain't did nothing. They ain't understand it. Sometimes it's perception.
They don't understand that sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
So they played the played with fine, came on back
this way.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
But then again, let's talk about it. Was Biggie a gangster?
Was he a hustler?

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
A hustler? I don't see him as a game?

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Was Puffer gangster or a hustler?

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Hustler too?

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Okay, so the ship we talking about his gangster the mentality,
and they head like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
What you guys talk? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Yeah, Wayne did that? Yeah so but I still don't.
I mean, if we know now, was it smoking the
ad that time with them though? Or was that the
first interaction where he felt this though him and bad
Boy had a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
It was no problems.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
It was no problems before that, no problems, bro. And
then Park took their juice and said, man, y'all don't
pay for dead win.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
You know how many I know that started wars on
some flonious bs. Yeah, you know, and it they went
so far that they better not come out and tell
the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Yeah, because that is too many, too much collateral.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Dam Now they want to see you cry. They want
to see you about your mama. They want you know
what I'm saying. They want to see about you kids,
and you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
So you know it get like that sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
This is why you can't just come tell me any
day because I know the trickery and deceit. I learned
that at a very young age too. It's tattooed on
my arm. It just used to be my neighborhood. Then
I put chosen few and up under this say trickery
and deceit. So this is when I became a clique.
Cause the everything, it's no way you gonna be able

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to understand and know what everybody owns. But you get
your click ten fifteen of y'all. You can learn each
other's characters and personalities, and a lot of them is
thinking likewise like you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
And that's what that was. But when it comes to sug.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Let's be real, I'm gonna ask you, cause a lot
of y'all get caught up in the in the perpetrating
the fraud.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
What sugar in jail for right, now, what are you
in jail for? It? Down?

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Before you answer that loon, I want you to think
about what is sug in jail?

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
He ran dude over? Right, he ran somebody over because
I think they would telling him get out the car
to what was it for a fade?

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Yeah, but I think no number man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
So he in jail because what he didn't want to what?
So you kill your homeboy, you end up that's his homeboy.
He ran over. They was dogs, that's his homie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Bone.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
You know who Bone is. You didn't wash him and
move training day and all that's Bone, Brooklyn's fighters.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Bone want to fade? Why Bone want to fade?

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Because you just went to his work site on straight
out of Compton where he had a security tripping and
Bone y'all start getting into it and the people say, Boone,
take an early lunch because you know Bone on the clock. Bone,
see you, you tell Bone what he won't do, and
you acting tough because all the police is here. So

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now that's on the east side. Now you're on the
west side, Bonet, see you he see the truck, jump
on the truck. File your shit up, bam bam, get out.
Let's get out, okay, if he were to put it
in park. If he would have put it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
In park, but was the Bone strap though.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Bone had a walkie talkie on it, and I'm gonna
tell you what it was. It was too many politics
right there. You had Terry Carter right there, and you
had another dude who house is right in back of theirs.
That's a g homie at that time, right, wasn't Finn
to be none of that. And you had a few
other cats out there. So now, if Shug would have

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put it in part all, Bone wanted a fade, and Bonehead, I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Can whoop you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Yeah, So we had to.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Put it in park, got out and took a fade.
There's a good chance Terry Carter wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Have been killed.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
He killed two people.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
No, he killed Terry Carter. He ran over Bone and
then killed and killed Terry Carter. An him over unintentionally,
intended to do it, but it happened. But if you
in park, you ain't gonna run nobody over took his fade,
whether he got his ass what, whatever may happened, he
ain't in the penitentiary till he's seventy. Terry Carter still here,

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So in essence, Sugar is in the penitentiary.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Because he was scared to take his one on one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
But it also feels like sug Like I say, Bro,
A lot of people look at him from the game
saying he pushed the line. Now you saying the prisons
around him was pushing the line.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Don't get they don't give him people their credit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Yeah, but he was up there by hisself trying to
push the line looking for dre are.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
The was in his neighborhood. They was in his neighborhood.
They in his neighborhood. So when he pop up his
homies there, security detail whatever? Now what Bone was wrong at?
Sugar really come pushing a lot. He was told to
come up there. They knew he was coming whom Yeah,

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they knew he was coming to get their business.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
They knew he was coming, right. Bone didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Bone feeling a way about the other shit, So he said.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Bone didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Bone thought he coming up there on some BSGI like this. Loan,
if I know you right, and I know that's your thing,
you run a security detail. I got a problem with
that man, Right, I'm gonna say, Loan, you know I
need to see hi. You're gonna be like, whack, Come on, bro,
you know I'm working. I'm gonna be like you got that.
I'm not coming nowhere around it because then I'm disrespecting you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
So if I pop up at that point in time,
you're like, whack. You putting me in a situation. This
is how I'm eating and feeding my family home.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
What you want to test me and challenge me in
front of these people on me and you supposed to
be solid.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
So Bone felt like that's what he was doing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
They didn't communicate with Bone that he had an invite
to come up in discuss whatever he was gonna discuss.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
So Bone wasn't wrong, but he wasn't right either.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
But when they got away from it, I say that
to say this, you put anybody with fifty sixty thirty
forty real wolves.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Yeah, they act different. It's a different energy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
It's different. You know what I'm saying. Our president are
United States. What they may be is gonna beat they
chest at any country.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
So let me ask you this did if we talk
about sug because we seem Takashi On in New York
kind of get the respect because he had the bag.
Are you telling me that I here on the West Coast,
the wolves respect the fact that Sugar had the bag,
and not necessarily that he was gonna Aliand.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Remember death Role was the biggest visible.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Company when it came to how to get out the streets,
to our streets. You get what I'm saying. So, yeah,
they respected, right, But when you can see sometimes the
wolves are like, you know what I mean, can't no
sucker be it right?

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
The wolves ain't really falling behind. You got to be
a leader of the peg something. So I'm trying to.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
See it even more now, Loan, I see real rats.
Everybody know. They told wide open to pull up niggas
is in these big bodies. They make it show he's straight,
he's straight, he's straight. They got their bad wolves though. Listen,

(01:10:35):
they got a new generation called killer rats. Yeah, I
know you understand what I'm saying. Yeah, they rated, But
these same dudes was known for doing what they did
for decades and decades and decades. They chose to do
what they did, but they ain't forgot how to do
what they do. You get what I'm saying. So it's like,

(01:10:56):
got the bag now, right, heat, the people gonna lead the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Yeah, and I know that when we talk about but
I'm saying because it's because my vision of wolves. I'm
talking about the wolves. I ain't talking about the people
in the shop. I'm talking about leading them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
I think I can say Sugar had.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
One of the.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Most treacherous crews when they came to this rock chislm
uh uh my Bob Gotti neck bone, lip dog. When
it came to the cripping.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
You know what I'm saying both sides.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
When it comes to the cripping, he you know what
I'm saying, he had he had the wolves from over
there essays essays, he had their wolves. It was wolves.
So down, let's factor in Snoop Dogg. Snoop Out the
big fave.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Team.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
So if it's a Snoop Dogg video shooting death rope
gonna be there, Snoopgall squad gonna be there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
And then he could basically put wolves against wolves, meaning
that I got so many little packs of wolves that
if you cross me, you may not gotta deal with me.
You might gotta deal with these other wolves that's on
my payroll.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
You wasn't finna listen, You wasn't finished bro.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Listen, he had a squad around him that was not
to be played with little knob and he had a
he had a squad. But this was These was decorated warriors,
not soldiers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
These is warriors.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
See that's why I can't get I can't understand how
you telling me the warriors is respecting a sucker. I
just can't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
I don't understand is you can lick, you can hit
the sucker once for a bag and get rid of him.
You can get paid a million times because this ain't
the dope game.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
It sure would have been a drug dealer, and it
was all about getting rid of him. Gets you to
the plug. It have ben got him out of there.
This is a record company, it's a little label. So
they gotta depend on him or do whatever it is
he doing. They don't understand what he's doing or to
trickle down to take care of these in these lectuses
and these benzes in these condos and all so on

(01:13:18):
and so forth. I'm not gonna say sure didn't have
no heart. I'm not gonna say he's a coward or punk.
I'm just gonna say he wasn't them. He wasn't a
Mob James. You know what I'm saying, He wasn't them,
you know what I'm saying. So uh And it took
that to give him the stigma that or oh that

(01:13:40):
death Ronick.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Because they play they pushed the line, oh no, you wasn't.
It might be one of the most ruthless cruise in
hip hop that hip hop ever. See I'm not sure
you could say even that these others, like when they
see some of these other crews in Recordabels, ain't really
being like he yo, then we'll woos in the building. Now,
let get up out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Oh no, it was a it was a problem, you
know it was it was bro You had the likes
of Keet the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Rock, Keet of Rock.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Listen, I hear that name a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Talking about big You. Now that's big You, big homie, right,
and it's and it's savage. Me and Keeter Rock got
cool and a melee. We backed the back, squabbling him
ten fifteen from the from the Snoop Dogg side of shit,
right and when it smoked clear, he telled Reggie because

(01:14:34):
he was working for death Row, Reggie, come when it
smoke clear, I going to who I am? Limousine driver
out you in the back, Yo, what you're doing? Because
I know these Snake dog and all these come from
death Row. They understand the parking lot of death Row,
the structure.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Of death Row.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
Not gonna lett, no goddamn limo driver drive me into something.
Some gangster shit going on right now, right So keetter
Rock is watching, He say reds back to back with me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
He didn't do no running.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
I watched him regulate the limo, get back, block the
streets off. We need him to come around more. So
when Redgs reached for me, I said, Red listen, I'm
a businessman. I got a lot of questions I like
to ask. Y'all need me to come out time to time.
I ain't got no problem with that, but I need
some information from you too. So Reggie, my homy poor rider,

(01:15:24):
is what brought me around death Row. Pool was in
the pen with Sug and when he parole, he wanted
to be gooon.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
That's all poo. He's a rider, right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
So Reggie is the one that made the verbal introduction
to Sug with me because he like, Yo, it's this
dude named Whack. He got his own money, he got
a business. But he's smart. But the gangster and boom
boom boom. So that's how me and Sug had a director.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
But is he is that why he tried to play
on the he with my driver, Like what made Sug
say shit like that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Sugar has never called me his driver.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
I think I heard him say that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
I don't think you know he had called me a truck.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
That's what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
He had never see anybody knows, Sug.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
No, it's only one person that could drive in and
that's the police security. He literally had a bends with
the front seat out on the passager side, and he
was sitting in the backseat.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
He ain't gonna let none of the homies.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
You might let a female or something, he ain't let
he let a homie follow him.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
But the only.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Picture on the Internet of me and Sug is me
and the passager seat should drive it a Red Bentley,
He'll say the trucker we all know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
We know all his cold names.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
He say, PlayStation that's game, pork Bud, that's wretch, the
trucker that's me, he said, like Chris Shaw, that's big
you Like he got a cold name for everybody, right, So,
but that wasn't no because when he asked me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
He said, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
When he come home, he said, I need you with
me every day. I said, I'm doing a quote of
me and in my trucks. I said, I tell you what,
you give me a half for me in the up front,
I give you a year. After that year's gone, right,
then we could do it. Other than that, ain't no wait,
because this Simon, this Simon shit he was doing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
This is why when people call him Simon, I look.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
At him with Simon, what's up?

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Hey, go run in the stone and get liquids. Why
I gotta do it? Simon said, do it? But if
you got a death row chain on you driving a
death row car, living in a death row house, waiting
eating off a death row check.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
So my whole thing is I do business with you,
But we not doing that until this day.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
I shook a lot of hands.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
So the value in doing that run with him was
some of the people I met. But to this date,
sugar in my pocket, I ain't never made to dying
with him. He didn't got it out of me. I
didn't bury his mama. I didn't put him in hotels.
I didn't did all kind.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Of you know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Sug went broke five h six, it was over with
what broke. Now going to court, lawsuits and the lawsuits
to get a black ball, you know, not being smart
with his distribution. He kept saying he ain't got distribution,
but yet he had Cotch that would have he would

(01:18:19):
have been the first one independent ahead of everybody. But
he wanted back in the UMG system. Why because he
didn't have a team around him that knew how to
do it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
He didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
How to do He didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
If that man would have went and ran all this
stuff through Cotch, he would have been ten years ahead
of everybody. But he wanted I want back with the majors.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Because it's easy with the majors. They do all the
heavy lifting. You just look good.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
A person to tell you they made a hundred million
with the majors, right, and the other dude to say
he made forty million on the minors. Making forty million
is doing better than a hundred million because off the rip.
Fifty percent of that hundred million is gone because it's
staying with the majors.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
And then everything you didn't spent.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Come out of your pencil whooping year, Everything.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
You spent come out of your fifty the minor, that's
all him. People don't think that way is perception, right,
People want to be.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Seen in that light.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Yeah, when you talk about keet to Rock, what was
he at now?

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
Keeler Rock from Rolling Sixties, he's doing time in Arizona.
He showed he got about a year eighteen months. Were
a respectable dude, one of my comrades. See big U
was probably the third Rolling sixty that I had comrade
with before big U. It was a key to Rock.

(01:19:47):
It was an Smac s Mac still here. He just
moved under the radar. Very respectable dude.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
How you think they feel about you though? Who you
and because with all the shit with big U.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Keeter Rock just called me two months ago as Mac
been my comrade.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
If the ain't nothing changed as deep.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
You gotta remember, bro, they ain't stupid, right they people
know they homeboy. So when you look up and you're like,
well we know that that that that that that come
from wax positioning, Right, so they gonna call me whack?

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
When I tell him what happened? I hate to say it.
I was already warned on what would happen. I just
was being a brother to the brother. If if I
would have listened to what I was being told prior to,
I would have been got out the way and just

(01:20:48):
a lot wouldn't have happened for him. See the Big
U that we've read about in this Rico paperwork, I
never met him. I met Big U and O four
when he come home. His thing is business. He trying
to figure out the business. We quickly realized that he's
a dude with influence, but his wits, his attention span,

(01:21:16):
his patience wasn't there. So if you called Big You
about something, ye had talked to Big You about it.
I think he got something like that going on. He
had called two three other people on the phone and
you would end up discussing your business with them. You
got to them through Big U. So he and the
pot anyway, So we didn't mind that. So we just

(01:21:37):
kept positioning. Right, we all doing what we're doing already, Right,
Big You come after the flow was already happening, him
saying it trips from me on when he said, yeah,
I remember when Sugar had all his money. Bro, you
paroting old folk sure was bankrupting O five when you
paroted it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Was already after years he did, Oh big U, Big
you did.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Eddie Boy did six teen seventeen, Big you did like thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
So he missed the whole death Row.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
Yeah, he wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
So when he came home, yes, sure he didn't have nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
No, it was gone.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
He was wasn't around for none of that. Even corrupt, corrupt,
the one kind of walking through the door. Corrupt was
on his back at that time. You know, he had
come back to death Row, remember snooping, and wasn't dealing
with it, right, he come back to death Row, so
you know he never got a chance to see what
that was. He just heard about what that was. You

(01:22:29):
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
But what I'm tripping off of if if these dudes
is big you big homies and they still have a
relationship with you, that says something. It speaks volumes one.
But also I'm wondering how much of that you can
really trust and lean on because you know they fall

(01:22:51):
under the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
It's like, nah, loun, the people that I have a
comrade ship with.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Wolves, I'm a wolf. I'm a lone wolf.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
Everybody I deal with from wherever they're from, are renegades, right,
they gonna do what they want to do and their
team they may be is gonna move how they say move.
So when you got somebody telling you, hey, we've been
rocking a long time, watching step what you mean, pay

(01:23:25):
attention to this, this, this, this, that, every now that,
I'll be like, hey man bull bo boom, you're like
I told you watch a step. Yeah, they stayed out
the way, but they stayed close enough to tap me
on my shoulder. This is why when he did what
he did, I handled it the way I handled it.
You gotta remember it. He was sleep. He didn't know

(01:23:49):
that them people in that office called and told me
what he did.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Yeah, let's talk about that too. Because he denied that.
He said, man, you know, people who did you listen
to what he said? You gotta listen.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
See, he ain't too smart, so when he's trying to
defend himself, he's gonna talk and say things that don't
make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
So for people who don't know you and big, you
initially fell out, according to you, because he reached out
to the people you were doing business with and tried
to basically, I get stronghold or strong arm your relationship
in your contract?

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
What the initial and see when I read the rico paperwork.
I know what I'm reading. I know who all the
witnesses and victims are by what they're saying. So the
initial started over a studio, right. It was a dude
named They called him Why the Head, a big head
or something. He building a studio in North Hollywood, London

(01:24:52):
or somebody hit me and said, way looking for a
studio of a game that got won over. They're gonna
holler at him when I go over there. He wants
me to vest in the overall studio business. I said, nah,
I don't want to run the studio business at the time.
The spot is gutted, it's just framed out. I said,
I'll tell you what I will do. I give you

(01:25:13):
one hundred and fifty up front, but this room I
won't extend it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
And this room will be games room only.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
You won't be able to rent this out I give,
I said, because he told me he needed one hundred
and fifty to build it out, I give you that
one fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
This room is game room. I said. Now, I ain't
gonna screw you because you hurting two years. We ain't
gonna pay you nothing. After the two years.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
We at least we'll give you fifteen hundred two thousand
a month or whatever. Now, why would I do that?
Why I know what my goddamn recording budget is over here.
If I got a recording budget over here of a
quarter million a year, I'm gonna give you one fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Mini games to hunted up in the next two years.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
It's it's a half a thing coming to its right.
It's free, so big there's no big U in the picture.
I know big U, we know each other. But he's
doing what he don' doing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
I'm doing. No big Us in the picture. Studio. Go up,
boom boom boom. I tell the dude, Hey, this room
is exclusive the game.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
Don't call me to ask if somebody could use it.
It's games room. He didn't have to put no equipment
frame it up. We put all games equipment in there, right,
probably about nine ten months as we there, I guess
he somehow meets Big U.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
I come over there, I see big U there, bro,
What up?

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
What up?

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
What up? Money? This y'all been working here. We got
a room in the back. Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Ain't no big deal. Me seeing big U and big
U seeing me. That's just most strength there for one another.
Mine's worked, but his his work for me. That's what
it was.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
So one day dude called me, Hey, what up? Hey man,
Big you want to know could have used the room?

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
No? Why are you calling me with this? Can you
call an ass game? No? I don't even ask game
if I can use the room. That's his room.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
You know, he might have thought he could call you
because you and you had some kind of relationship, but
that still ship.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
But he did at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
It's instead of him saying that room exclusive the game,
Whack don't even use it. He goes back and he
tells Big You, now you can't use a room. Wax
said no. Now, let's go back to the Rico paperwork.
In there, it says either witness to or victim too,

(01:27:47):
which is the Grammy nominated producer.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
It says, Big You says, I.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Want to break whoop the woop jaw for getting me
in whacking Big You don't say nothing to me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
He calls Bali Maul.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Right and say, yeah, this Wack denied me using the studio.
I feel like that's woo woo woo whatever. Molly Maul
calls me and tell me, you know, dude, a little
upset about whatever just went on with the studio. I said,
I ain't talk to Big U by the studio, but
I talked to the other new So now I don't

(01:28:28):
call the other I call Big you, hey, homie. For one,
Why you sending somebody at me to ask me something
you supposed to have been asking me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
I would have just told.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
You you feeling some kind of way right now, because
you know I told another and another I told you know,
because you send him at me, Big.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
You ain't, no damn fool. How else would I know
he feeling some kind of way?

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
He know, Molly Maul told me so in the rico
when you read it, that's what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
So that's kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Where the friction started. So let's go to phase two.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Before you go there, Before you go there after that,
was it any issue with you and him? Did y'all
go back to kicking it? Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
No? No, no, Because you gotta remember I don't kick
it with no.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Right y'all do all my comrades, we all holler on
the phone. It ain't a man unless we on tour.
Got to tell you they didn't been with Whack two
three days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
In a row. They ain't gonna happen fat.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
So when I tell somebody I ran with a nick
eighteen sixteen years, that's just we was cordial. We did business.
He had access to me, I had access to him.
Get what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
So, but you also said I've been to his house.
I can walk it in from my house too, So
that means that's a little bit, that's a little deeper.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Because guess what it's something is that go to the
house every day. Big You out a crew that every
morning they was his house. The niggas look to wait
in the backyard. Why I can't part of that crew.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
But if Big You needed to get somewhere, he knew
the cold to the gate. If I needed to get somewhere,
I knew how to get to his crib. We was
definitely cool like that. Families knew each other, kids called
each other, definitely cool like that. Even when the beef
was going on, it was still I saved his son.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Nigga was going to kill his son in the studio.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
I did what I was supposed to do to disarm
the individual. Nephew, what you want to do, I want
to whoop him. Whooped him, put his son in my
car and took him home. Was going while the beef
is full fledged on fire. Right, this is real. But
on the flip side, it's BT weekend. My baby mom

(01:30:55):
and my daughter go to the celebrity basketball game.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
It's at Chrisshaw. How people sending me pictures? What's up?
I look at the pictures.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
It is my baby mama and my daughter gets who's
two feet behind them?

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Big?

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
You man?

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
You don't think it's a problem. No, he just making
sure they straight. I didn't have an inkling in my
mind that right, No, but this is what it was.
But so now let's go to phase two. Me and
Stunners start doing business. I kick off cash when you West.
He had a group called OSB on some bullshit. I

(01:31:33):
really like the two youngsters. They're really cool dudes, both
of them. Right, So you gotta remember man in the
hearts of men. And I learned this the hard way.
And I don't know if you've been in this. It's
times to where the more you help somebody and they

(01:31:53):
see you can help them, they start getting envious of
what you were able to do for them and what
they can do.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
So it's a catch twenty two. You damned if you
do damned if you don't. So when I kick off
the cash money West thing, I got the whole West coast,
Sabby third Blue Face, Boom riding in the red rag
shitty playing cryp music.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
It's mad.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
I want the Internet on fire because if you talking
about whack playing the cryp music?

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
What cryp music?

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
Sabby third Blue Face, I'm also I'm marketing. I know
what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
It's been with me right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
So now if Boom Boom big U has always wanted
to have a position in music as being that guy, right,
he wasn't around for corrupt. That was keetera rock in
SMACKNM era. They did all that when that was what
that was right, So now in his head he felt

(01:32:54):
like he's supposed.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
To be the man you want a piece of.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
He won't.

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
He want to be the one his head, I tried
to do business with bird Man, How could you do it?

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
And what?

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
All?

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
Right? Look, I don't know what you tried to do
with Stunner.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Whatever relationship you got with Stunner, you got a relationship
with QCP.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
I got a relationship with QCP.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Right, it's obviously his respect on both sides, But what
he's done for you and what he's done for me
is that's just what he did.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
They don't cross.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
I'm not going to go to Pete talking about, hey man,
what the hell you do for whack White and vice versa. Right,
So then that added to the little argument about the studio.
But the argument amongst brothers was just that it was
argument on his brothers.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
I'm sitting back.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
So he came to you about your business with bird Man.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
What he did is he called one of the homies
and said everybody else while he ain't reached down here
and signed my group. Right, So now you gotta remember,
I get flat. All he want to do is business
with the cryps. Listen, brother, I'm not a gang banger.

(01:34:09):
I ain't been a gang banger for twenty five. I'm
from where I'm from. I don't wake up hating a
Negro because of a color.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
I've been outgrew that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
So if I'm looking at the analytics and I'm looking
at what's going on, and when I go say, okay,
this person right here is the one I think I
can grow.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
If this person is a midget, a homosexual, a transgender,
a crip, a blood or whatever he may be, that's
the person based upon the business I want to do
business with. At the time, Blue Face and Savay Third
is out running everybody. You got a little negro running around,

(01:34:54):
jumping on top of his car in front of the
high schools and saying, I'm gonna be at this high
school next Friday. People ditching school. You got crowds of fans.
He didn't built something for hisself. He just so happened
to be a crip. I don't care. I'm not finish
denied no young man a shot at something if he's
deserving of it because he's from somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
It ain't gonna happen with me. That ain't what I'm
gonna do.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
What you did say. You ain't gonna with Domesicans because
they from somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
That's cap because I had a Mexican group called a certain.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
That's the fact.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
Because on this West Coast, I'm gonna ask convig Homie.
I didn't walk to a lot of prison lines. I
understand that you get what I'm saying. And for me
to do that puts my people in jeopardy because I
know how that worked. You take a Sudanyo, turned him
into a Kendrick Lamar. They gonna come talk to you,

(01:35:52):
so Loom, you didn't took a million dollars of your
money invested rolled the dice built this dude. Now the
dudes pulled up in off is telling you they need
to cut.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
What you're gonna tell them ain't nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
Okay, bam, Now whahton, remember what you're dealing with. So
now what they're gonna do out here? A Holmes ain't
his uncle in Fosim. Yeah, they're gonna stab his uncle
love and then had an uncle tell his sister tell
him to cooperate it with them. Now, dude ain't showing
up to the sessions. He ain't doing what I need

(01:36:25):
him to do, because that's controlling it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
I understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
So now you didn't feel that about the crip card though, No, not.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
At all, because the only ones I dealt with, it's
a lot of them I won't deal with. The only
crips I deal with is an individual that's a wolf
that's gonna make his blue face. Ain't never one time
told me I got to talk to my homeboys about
my business. He told me, hey, whack this my team

(01:36:56):
right here. Learn who they are in case they somewhere
I'm not respect him like you respect me.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
I never had to go sit down with his hood.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
He did his business as a man, and then he
introduced me to the people that supported him. When I
went to a few dommus, you know what they told me,
I'm gonna holler at my homies and see what they think.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
I never heard nothing back.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
The first two dudes I went to was r J,
and he had some contractual things going on.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
I believe r J would have did the business. And
a dude named.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
Rouchie from Inglewood, and I went to Roucie because I
did time with his daddy Tackle from NHP. Right, So
when I went to Rouccie, Roochie said he had to
check in with his homies. I didn't signed two other
after the fact and dropped a hit and still never
heard nothing from me. So I'm doing business the business.

(01:37:53):
The streets don't dictate my corporate business. That ain't gonna happen,
and I'm not gonna bring the corporate shit to the streets.
So when I do business with six', nine when somebody
call me and, say, hey we got.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
To have a million for a date over here In.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
Brazil right WHEN i went and did an interview with
six 'y, nine my homies was with. ME i didn't
take them. THOUGH i don't bring him around that because
that's corporate entertainment business That i'm. Doing i'm not in
the subject my, homeboys BECAUSE i know they ideology is
what it. Is they with, me But i'm not in
the subjectivem to that because in they, head dude is

(01:38:32):
this dude's in my. Head this is a dude that
got a light on. Him this is a dude that's
being interviewed by everybody but, us and he's making the
majority think right what he did was right because they
don't know how to question this.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
Dude i'm the only one that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
Got six y nine to pause and think about it
and admit you, RIGHT i ain't no.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
Gangster you ain't you put some work in you wouldn't Down,
NO i was just paying, Them, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Well, yeah your supervisor Young.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Right then he started to understand that and embrace it
to a point where he like shit like you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Right you know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
What that's why even when we talk about TO i
want to spend a little bit more time On, clubhouse
BECAUSE i think that's, where in my, opinion some people
would say The clubhouse took you from a maid man
to a marked.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Man, Well clubhouse is HOW i was introduced to the
YouTube what we call a YouTube. Street REMEMBER i tell
you we got different. Divisions also have a media team
and whether they up or they, sleep wherever our, goal

(01:39:54):
the profiles follow.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
Me, yeah and they clip. It you basically got your
own clippers like these.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
Got a media, team you, know Club house shagis CLUBHOUSE.
Tv no, ANSWER i mean the answer And Ray, Gibbs
now this is the type of SHIT i. Do this
is why they respect. Me people coming, In, whack we
want to be part of your media. Team you can't
asking me. That you got to talk to the media. Team,
whack we want to be part of. Security talk to
the people run. Security run. THAT i stay in my.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Place.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
Now if something going, on it can't nobody make a
decision and fix, something then myself OR r AND b
all step in and make a. Decision but other than,
that what they respect is that you Call whack all you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
Want we had, This, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
And he ain't gonna. Go he's gonna make sure to
check with. Us and that's but that's What i'm. Saying
that's going that's your way of running that ship like
A Real fortune five hundred. Company But i'm wondering how
you feel about WHAT i just, said because you came
To clubhouse a made. Man, well you you had business
all in the. Street you Had fray j and game

(01:41:04):
and like you was here and it felt like to
build that. Up you started to denegrate and separate yourself
from some of the relationships took you damn now all
your career to. Build, well which?

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Ones?

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
UH i saw you snap on?

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
Everybody did you snap on twenty One savage And Jim
jones and?

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
These you had relationships going on With.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
Jim, Okay i'm gonna give you How jim. Worked my.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
Man he come out, here he hit me whatever he,
NEED i get it to. Him video shoots going, ON
i pop up me And. Jim he had just did a.
Verse remember he was doing uh something studio where he
could remotely on what He, yeah he did that with
my Group kyote right a week.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
Prior Now i'm.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
Broke i'm On clubhouse and they keep asking me about
six nine BECAUSE i did the. Interview my first time
ever seeing six nine is WHEN i did the interview with.
ACADEMICS i never seen. Him six nine headed my guts
when he was doing his little blood. Run we wouldn't
talk to, him we wouldn't associate with, him, Right SO i,

(01:42:18):
said you know, what i'm'a break.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
It it was All New yorkers asking me these.

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
Questions i'm gonna bring him to the damn app y'all
ask him. YOURSELF i don't know nothing about none of.
THIS i didn't know none of them. People he went
to jail with none of. Them so WHEN i bring
him to the, app this little dude he must' didn't
do number read paperwork all, day cause when you mentioned the,
name he knew the birth socialcitty, number everything they.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
Did so the first time they, like, yo why you
tell on coo to?

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
Bee he, LIKE i didn't Tell on cool to be
cool to be told old? Me he put the link up.
Boom Daniel hernandez paid me to go have shots fire
To Chief, keef what's up with you And Jim? Jones he,
said What jim's? What jim was the number? TWO i
was the number one. Paperwork wait, no, no what he
did was he put the audio up, Right i'm oblivious

(01:43:07):
to the. Audio i'm see see watch out, Loon i'm
it's on the. Internet we made show us. Everywhere so
when the audio come, On i'm listening To gym talk
to mal murder.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
Plot planning to execute what they gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
Do now in this same, Audio, loom you gonna understand
this was used in the federal, trial the only time
the audio could be used in the federal. Trial if
the people on that audio. Authenticate this ain't about no. Video,
shoot this say't about no. Movie this is what it.
Was six' nine is telling me as he has told

(01:43:52):
me about. Somebody else. Bro whack dude's. A cooperant i'm.
A cooperant i know who was in line, with, Me right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
But he also had he wanted to kind Of Diminish
jim jones's status. As, well no he Wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Tripping jim Then.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Is jim homies that were.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
Surrounding it, but yeah but but all, of them all
of this who he sent, to jail they all start
cutting throat, one another trying to get each other out.
The way oh this dude. Doing this don't, trust, this
dude don't. Trust it they had all. Doing it he
know it because they coming. To, Him right SO what? I,
Did okay loom and me and you like, This RIGHT

(01:44:34):
and i hear audio.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
On you what You think i'm? Gonna do?

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
HIT me i send him, THE audio, i, say, bro
dude just putting this. Audio up i'm trying to. Understand
It what i'm here sounded. Like conspiracy give me. A
call let's go. Over it this is the same gym.
ANYTIME else, i say give me. A call he call.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
From not they. Forward, crickets.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
Yeah but it's also some, internet, ship, like yeah if
you on, the internet this club house uploading some ship
talking about this and that this is. Internet ship how
was that?

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
Internet ship it's on the.

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
Internet if, it's really if it's, really scenario if it's.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
You know why six nine new ware to?

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
Find it because he was the Number one kawaii, He,
said wow it was three.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
OF us i was, Number, one jill.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
He SAID if i wouldn't have got on the stand
to get my bill to get out of that, Forty
seven jimmy.

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
Was NOT but i wouldn't want you to hit me
on the internet. ABOUT it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
I didn't i, Text him but you already went up. With, this,
no no they you just said you found out. About,
It listen i'm.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
SITTING back i brought six nine on there cause the
ship they, ASKING me i don't know nothing. About It
so i'm just. Sitting back i'm. Being educated i'm in
all kind. OF shit i ain't never heard. My life
so when they come at him About The jim, jones
shit he Like What jim Jones, ain't no this is what.
He Said What mail murder was sleeping on. THE float

(01:46:06):
I Took, meil murder his so called big homb me
and put him in, the spot helped him get, a
car put money in. His, pocket boom don't come. At
me What was jim doing For? Mail murder matter, Of
Fact jim jones was. Number two they had em more
conspiracy charges. Against ME but i, Tell, him yo what you're?
Talking about, homi're LIKE oh i did what you?

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
Just did you don't? Believe, Me boom he put it
up preuss.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
Playing now so he pressing play of a recording of
Them Using jim jones Talking To mail murder in the.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Court, room no He Talking. Mail murder call him, and,
say hey this.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Was old phone tap in. The evidence what's?

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
GOING on I Remember mail murder.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
Is here so to the police on, The board mail,
Up here jimmy just a rapper.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Down, here, yeah, hey homie this is going on.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
Show how he number two and a rapper down here
that don't? Make sense?

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
Was this i'm gonna tell you what it's finna. Make
sense Mail. Called jim this is on the. Wire, tap hey,
this whoot, the woop this this and this six 'y
nine doing this with, the Whoop and i'm finna, Do.
This jim you ain't finna. Do nothing you know what
the fan's. Eyes, Did, okay jim with you how you

(01:47:20):
want me to? Hand, it oh let me take this
and move him up a. Few knots you just told
the head nigga what he not?

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
Gonna do you?

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Do this you make shot he, do this tell him
to do this and he better. Do this and, then
okay but what about. The security you think they got fired. On,
him listen, my nigga. He ain't they ain't got. No
fire they can't have Fire In new york unless they
off duty and, this, this this and even then they're in.
The run so what you do is y'all start hitting,
us security hit six. Non security this Coming from Jim To,

(01:47:54):
mel murdery who they thought was a shot calling hit.
The security when the, security weakened they gonna get away
from because they don't walk. Their polyms and then y'all
get him out.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
The way this is on the.

Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
Federal, wiretap, now no you ain't got. A conspiracy now
we so were planning that we're getting in. The wheeze
how you ain't got? A sistance but why you keep?
This though how you ain't got. A CONSPIRACY but i
can guarantee.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
You, THAT listen i can guarantee You the fast got
you on the line with loose cannon

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