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October 6, 2025 60 mins

Young Thug returns for Part 2 of his official rollout interview on *It’s Up There Podcast*. This episode gets even deeper — Thug opens up about the YFN Lucci beef being squashed and the backlash he’s faced from the streets and industry for making peace. He also breaks down his relationships with Lil Durk, NBA YoungBoy, Lil Baby, and Drake, plus speaks on betrayal, loyalty, and how the rap game changes once you’re isolated by legal battles. Thug doesn’t shy away from the tough parts: he talks about leaked jail calls, extortion behind bars, and the emotional toll of being away from his family. He reflects on trust, the silent treatment from artists he once showed love to, and what it really feels like when the industry turns its back. At the same time, he shows respect to those he values, including YoungBoy, Baby, and Drake, while revealing his plans to move into more wholesome, uplifting music as part of his healing journey. This is Young Thug in a vulnerable, reflective space — balancing pain, backlash, and growth while still giving fans a look at what’s next. --- 🔥 Don’t miss Part 1 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHTPRAOq_5k 🎧 Listen on Black Effect / iHeart & everywhere you get podcasts. --- 💡 **Join the movement:** - Patreon for early access + full episodes: https://patreon.com/ItsUpTherePodcast - Discord community: https://discord.gg/3AwsHfDcJB --- #YoungThug #YFNLucci #LilDurk #NBAYoungBoy #LilBaby #Drake #itsuptherepodcast 0:00 Intro 2:34 “Miss My Dogs” record & leaked calls 3:00 Gunna & Brian Steele statement 4:11 YFN Lucci beef squashed + backlash 4:51 Lil Durk 15:39 NBA YoungBoy 16:00 YoungBoy’s growth 24:00 Lil Baby 26:00 Drake 30:00 Extortion & jail calls 36:00 Betrayal & loyalty 45:00 Industry politics & narratives 52:32 Closing thoughts (new album, wholesome music, moving with God) Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Before you, before you drop you which school to Your
last record was missed My Dogs, And it was like
an emotional record where you publicly addressed and apologized for
some of what was said in some of those leaked calls.
You said, wam pick up the phone. Yeah, as WAM
picked up the phone.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Absolutely, you know this's got damn.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
It's rap lyrics, like not saying that certain things, not
saying that shit don't be true in your rap lyrics
because like we not, we're not college kids, like all
we know is what happened. Like when it's hard for
us to get on the song and cap, we can
only get on the song and cap if we broke

(00:46):
because like we can get on this on the right now.
Say I threw one hundred thousand strip club, Oh I
got them, I did this so I had this, I
had her, I bought this, I had these cars, I
had this mention, I got them did this? My kids straight,
like all that ship. It's like the truth. We could
have been lying about it before we had.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
All this shit.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
But the way yaut we ain't have no college careers
to where we can think so deep to live like
we be honest, it's a more to a certain extent
and a certain shit certain certain certain times. Sometimes you god, damn,
you know what I'm saying. You exaggerate, but and it's
hard and you're painting, you know, sometimes it be like it.
Sometimes you paint somebody else story. Sometimes you just look

(01:28):
at your story and be like, damn, it's an interest store.
I'm going to make a song about that. Right, you know,
everything ain't about us. Everything is truth, everything is truthful,
but it don't mean it's about you. It's just about
things that you learn, Like you know this, Like I
might look at goddamn a movie on on goddamn Netflix, yes,
and make a song about it, and people will be like, damn,
he went through that. It's just like, ah, this was

(01:48):
in a movie. But obviously you don't know that. So
you know what I'm saying. It's more so like that,
right right right, yeah, Nah, It's like.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
You know, us being able to express ourselves, whether we
take it in via secondhand or personal experience, you know
what I'm saying. We make sure that we try to
cover the grounds of course, man, you know what I mean. So,

(02:18):
but yeah, man, I want to see you go. I
want to see you go out on tour man and
take care of your being. Get you another bag. You
know what I'm saying. Drop some of the old music
while you wan tour. Maybe, you know, maybe put it
on the website where you collect out the data. You
know what I'm saying, Drive them over there instead of
Apple music and things of that nature.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Like you can find a.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Way to really capitalize off the hunger that's there, for
the appetite that's there for some of that shit that
they just heard riding by the damnar got it already,
you understand what I'm saying. You working through so many
bad deals on your way into this industry, What did

(03:01):
you learn about this business?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
The ones that last? Adapt, facts that want to last
in this ship? Yeah, better adapt? Yeah, and your heart.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Needs to be in the right spot, the right place,
no matter what. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Do you feel abandoned by by like in this game
right now? Or just do you feel isolated? I won't
say abandoned. Do you feel isolated in this current climate
of rap music or just in your life?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yes? Hell yeah, because it's different.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
You feel like Dolo and that's why, like my family
and people that's around me every day, people like God, damn,
look at it. Sank. You know what I'm saying, Quevo,
whoam like certain people like little Man. Little Man call
my phone one hundred times a day. Facts because he's
in no wh's going through just he just feel it
for He's just like, damn love you, bro. You just

(04:04):
on the phone two three hours a day, all day,
every day in the com you know what I'm saying,
Just like because he at that point where he just
see like but he'd be I'd be having a conversation
with him two ways. Just be like, brother, this ship
is so crazy. Brother, This shit make me not love people.
This shit make me no long trust nobody.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
He like, Bro, really can't do you like that? Bro,
Like he is twin Bro. If a nick can't really
have an if ill will towards you, bro, all the shit,
You're gonna do it for all of us. Bro. If
they can't feel a certain type way about you, Bro,
I don't stand a chance. Yeah, And I told me

(04:45):
that his mouth, like he's sitting back looking at this
ship like damn, the folks really trying to tornish you, bro,
like like you ain't really the godfather this ship, but
like he ain't did all this shit.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
But the folks doing that, Yeah, and they saying you
the and then conquer. I wanted to ask you because
I've heard you say that, Yo, I got this person in,
this person on the phone, that person in, this person
on the phone to squash this? Who does that for you,
like right now? Who would get you on the phone

(05:17):
with like Gucci or you know, maybe somebody that you
mentioned in one of those with anybody? Does anybody play
that role who saves you when you need that kind
of assistance in these kind.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Of I ain't even ever thought of that. Nobody ain't
trying to save me. Well, not out savage wam. They've
been trying to like do a little certain shit recently,
just like we got other brothers and sit, we got.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Other people in the industry.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
That's just like you know then they feelings are they
feel a certain type way. We love each other, but
we feel a certain type way.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
I haven't been on the phone with them a few
times with it, you know, throughout the last week or two.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Just yeah, I'll get you on the phone.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
You need to talk to brother, brother, goddamn bro, feel
like God damn, he need to talk to you brother,
like for sure, but like throughout my life. I was
always did that, niggase, I ain't never did that for
me ever in life. No, he's doing that shit for
me now. God, I think it's just like a serious moment.
It's just a moment where it's just like.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Hell, no, I got got that. You need it right now?
You need it. It's in the for sure.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
I'm usually the one doing this. I'm cool with everybody.
I'm a social butterfly, Like I'm cool with everybody. So
it's gonna be having to do that for me.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Right.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
It's the first time in my entire career I didn't
feel I don't get one hundred percent love.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Right, How does that feel? Shit?

Speaker 3 (06:42):
I feel like jail it just makes you a human.
It's just humble you. It just make you see like god,
damn you regular or like man, that's a turn against you,
like who you thinking your mind won't turn against you?
Who you won't never turn against will turn against you?
You know this ship make me notice that type shit Like, damn,

(07:02):
I definitely ain't never going to get this type me say.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Let say, let you know.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I think you were kind of covered when you went
to jail from what the game is turned into because
when I look at the climate of music and just
people that consume content and music because we share fans now, right,
it ain't just the people that get in their car
and listen to music on their way to work. Those
people are now watching podcasts. They are now interested in

(07:32):
clips of you talking and different things. They want to
hear from you and see you in different fascts. But
I think why you were in jail. The game turned
into this little thing where damn that everyone has the
Internet go against them. We've seen it with literally Meek
and Wam and you every dirt with the slide of

(07:55):
vant that like it, just everybody who somebody has been
in a situation where the Internet presents an opposing narrative
to whatever that they're pushing. You know, I'm not sure
if you notice that right when you were gone, because
you were dealing with what you were dealing with. But
this game is now turned in because content is so important,

(08:18):
and narratives is so important, proper ganda, rhetoric, all these
things are now imperative in this industry and if you
ignore those things, they can literally affect business. You see
what I'm saying, Like, if you just let the narrative
be whatever it's gonna be. It can start to step
on your business. Absolutely yeah, and you get yourself in

(08:40):
a bad situation.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
But that's why I feel like you gotta speak. Yeah,
sometimes you got you got to. You gotta have good,
a good genuine people in this world that advocating for you.
You gotta have certain shit like that because you got
you got the opposites doing advocating against you.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
You gotta have for you or to start spilling over
into the business. Yes, you know what I'm saying, Cause
we hit hard, move salad, so might take mistake my
solace as guilt exactly. So sometimes I last, sometimes I tweaked.
Sometimes I say someone the internet. You know what I'm saying.
I just feel like, you know what I'm saying, I
got a silent treatment from that betrayed me. So it's

(09:22):
like I'm not gonna be silent. I feel like I
betrayed them.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
It's crazy how what you go through make you who
you are.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Mano, bro, It's crazy that people don't know that. Man,
people don't understand. Now brother just ain't doing that. It's
this that done that to him and now he do
it like this. You know what I'm saying, one hand
wash the other both watched the face, but just hearing
you break it down like saying, but I ain't. The
reason why I ain't as quiet as maybe y'all know

(09:50):
me to be, or as quiet as I was prior
to going through what I just went through is because
I got portrayed it and just got the silent treatment
and people applauded.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
That crazy man. Man that the world we end Bro,
this ship burnt? This is another level.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Are you how you treat it?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:16):
How do you treat it? How you think I can
treat it? Obviously I need real you know, obviously we
need real real We need y'all too, like because y'all
got to understand too how much power y'all got in
the world, in the real world too. I know sometimes
y'all probably look at it like ship, I'm gonna god
damn podcasting. I'm a bloggerl I do interview I'm an interviewer.

(10:39):
Like hell now, y'all need got a lot to say
so in this world too, for sure.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
So yeah, I think, man, it's rough on me, bro,
because I ain't here yet, you know what I'm saying,
And I think It's just a process, bro, Like all
this ship is a process, you know. But just leave
with love, man. We gotta get back to leading with love, man,
you know what I'm saying. But we also got a
check and recheck.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
We gotta measure twice, cut once, cause once it's cut,
and once I let.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
You in, you in.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
And that's the that's the part about people like us.
It's like, once I let you in this room, you
damn there in with me. And that's what it getter.
As Booste said, your heart, get my heart gonna get
me zipped up in a body bag. You know, sometimes
you just put too much of your heart on your

(11:32):
sleeve and it it's counter productive to the goal and
the mission, which is getting this business and get your money.
That's why I asked you the question about GUNN. Had
you been taking seventy percent and all this happened and
you was pumped faking cool like like this industry shit?

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Do you know it?

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Damned there looked the same, but it was more profitable
on your side. You know, I wanted to I wanted
to ask you how you feel about you know what
I'm saying, just that.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
You know I be mean, I be mean. I be
mean o gz like y'all to God.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
You know what I'm saying Because sometimes mine, sometimes I ship,
my thoughts will be cloudy, right because I'm like dealing
with that ship in real time too, Like I don't
know how to just shut it off, shut off certain
feelings when it comes to just like real ship or
ship that I on her. I don't know how to
ship that ship off. A lot of people talking. Man,
don't say nothing in there, don't tweet. Man, don't say that.

(12:29):
Man shut up. You ain't gotta explain nobody.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Ain't no rat.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
You ain't gota do that like man, yes I do.
It's God, do gotta explain it? Yeah, crazy, hell no
gotta explain that.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
I don't know. I just I just can't be like that.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
I can't be the just just.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
I don't know that. Ain't me right, Nah, I respect
that though. It's it's man time and to clean. I'm
cleaning my face. Man, I gotta come clean my faith.
They putting mud on it when it ain't suposed to
be there. I gotta come clean my face. You know
what I'm saying. That's part of what's going on. So
I definitely respect that NBA young boy. Let's talk about

(13:07):
like NBA young boy. He's uh someone that came in
the game and had admiration for Thug. What do you
what do you feel when you see what he's doing
right now?

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Man, Man, so grateful and just so honored to be
able to just like have you know, having had those
conversations with him way back then, you know, before he
even blew, just having the conversation with him, just like
telling him, giving him a few of my opines and
like a few steps that I took a few things

(13:41):
to do, like a few things looking to like certain ship.
Like just man, just be able to look at this
now just like that's tough, Like yeah he hard, like yeah,
he going on, he going off.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
He won the one. You know what I'm saying. He
got there.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
He a real to him. You know what I mean
he doing he's doing right now by tough. Yeah he
got them. Yeah, he definitely got respect.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Love Runner, always love that boy.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
That's dope. That's dope to hear. Of course we're looking
for the music from y'all. You know what I'm saying
you and wham of course you know who did all
the production on UI School.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Uh Ship producers, Wheezy Sizzle, London Tars, DJ Cash, what
other little brother name man music that money music we got.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
It's a few. It's a few of the.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Little bros, you know, all them boys and one of
my ring, my wing. You know what I'm saying. All
them boys boys part of me. You know what I'm saying,
Like I signed all them all they was signed to me.
You know what I'm saying. I brung all them to
the top with me.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I'm the reason.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
You know, all them producers for real, for real except Sizen,
you know, Silz always was a household name.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
But you know just O Tars tyres on the album. Yeah, man,
like they doing a lot.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
They do it.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
They they did a lot of hardy. They was like
a lock then women they did. There are a lot
of hard work, a lot of tradition transitions, and a
lot of ship just throughout this album that was just like.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Like proud of you, y'all, ain't too.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Rich'll just making beats and just going on y'all all
metro booming.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
You're on air, you know I took it back home
and all the bros like, yeah, you know, I always
kept it like that anyway, But like this album, right,
here's that ship talking that God damn, we're bringing the
ship back to the front of the foundation of this This
is how it started. Man, we're back talking that ship.
We're talking nasty bro, we're doing what we're doing, and
I got the bros whipping. We got them knockers.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
How important it is to work with the producer versus
getting beat sent to you or just like.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
It's important because like you can have like you can
have a beat sent to you, or you can vibe
and you can have like the beat and energy. Like
listening to a beat, it's totally different than like hearing
the beat from scratch because if you're hearing the beat
from stratch, like every single key instrument they.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Get used to create the beat.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
When you're hearing that from scratch, you can kind of
like make the song from scratch too. You can make
it what you wanted to be as opposed to you
getting already done beat, right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
But we are.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
We're legendary though, so like we can take a beat
with one sound track type, we can take already done
beat or we can do from scratch. A lot of
the beginning of my career, a lot of shit was
from Stratch, Like me and London just sitting in the
studio all they got it on me, Lennon, Wheezy Metro,
Shiit TM eighty eight Sizzle, Mike Will all us was

(16:43):
like making it from Stratch right in front of each other,
like right here, we might be in this by this
shit hard.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Now take this out and put this in. Yeah, take it.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
I mean like there's way better like that because you can,
like you, it's more intimate. You can play a part right.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
On the creation.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, the creation of the entire thing.
So you know that's definitely dope. Do you think after
this album, like are you? Are you off of the
rat ship or is you That's just something I can't
let go. Oh no, I already let it go, Like
I think it's just looking at it now because it's
like up on the microscope, Like I could play you

(17:22):
a million songs before I went to jail.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
I talk about rats.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
That's all we do. It talk about Rex. We talk
about telling them. We know we're not gonna tell we
do this. We did you know, like we've been talking
about this ship forever, so here now and they automatically think,
are you talking about bro? You're talking about this, You're
talking about it. Why you got here? Bro?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
You's your call?

Speaker 3 (17:39):
You're like, we said this shit a million times before
I went to jail and after I got it, Bro, Like,
everything ain't about this one situation. Man, We were gone, Bro,
were moving past, all right, we done dealt with it.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, for sure, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
I think when let me ask you this too, because
this is and this is the last question about this dude.
When you were on trial and you and Brian Still
came out and said that you wanted to work with Gunner, still,
what was that?

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Like?

Speaker 2 (18:08):
What was your thinking that?

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Was that on business terms or like?

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Was that what was your thinking with with that being
positioned in quart up?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Brian still positioned that, yeah, that was that was just
Brian that I ain't. I ain't had no part of that.
We had I had we had a conversation before we
came out about what he's gonna ask for in the
plea and I told him, I mean well, he told
me like, well, I'm I'm like, man, I ain't hanging

(18:38):
with them. I don't you know what I mean, I'm
going on for my life. I don't want to. I
don't want to. I don't want to go and reverse,
you know, I'm I want to go forward, you know
what I'm saying, Like and I and he told me
then like, man, I'm gonna tell the judge, like Duke
yet Gunner, I'm gonna tell the judge they signed you though,
So at least you know, if you ever do want
to talk to them, not saying that you got to,

(18:58):
but if you ever do want to talk to them
one day in his life, it's not gonna be against
your probation, you know what I'm saying. He was doing
it on that like because of that he a lawyer.
He's doing He's like, I don't want to see you
in the picture with the nigga. Somebody catch out with
each other one day. If y'all ever do now they
now they tryt you violated probation now, so he like
on some ship, Like I'm I'm ask can you be

(19:20):
around these people even if you don't want to be.
I told him before you went out there. Hell, and
I don't even say that, sh I understand he's still
just got up there and said, I don't know matter
what he doing, why he did that. But we got
we got kind of like a little argument behind that too.
But because when we were back stage talking about the
ship pripping, he said he was gonna say it, and
I told him then, like, hell no, he donna say

(19:40):
no ship like that?

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Don't know, standing wrong.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Never I wish would get up there and say that tripping.
Hell no, you know what I'm saying. They still got
to dance, said it like bro and and I got
into an argument and everything. You know, Yeah, that's like
like my second father thought, Man, no.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
He with you, he went to jail. He's ready to
go to jail with you and everything. The coaches stopped that.
Brian still won the ones. Man, you know what I'm saying.
We got love for Brian still.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
He wanted one.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
But I'm just glad to hear you not bitter man,
you know what I'm saying. And I want people to
know you saying. I'm not better out and let it go.
I'm done without it. That shit the time out, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Then we're moving forward, man, right now, going crazy. We're
doing We're doing man, we move forward. We're going forward
with this life.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Man.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, cause that's what matpens
at the end of the day. Now for sure.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
I was telling one of my people, Man, I'm like,
you can't be better.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
You know what I'm saying. You can't be better with life.
You can't be better with circumstances, because bitterness would turn
your memories against you. You see what I'm saying. And
that's that's like a trick that the man can do. Right,
made a lot of money there, rich, but if you
get better, it can turn all of that shit against

(20:53):
you and make you a prisoner your circumstances. And I'm
glad you're not bitter and you moving on.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Man.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's a beautiful thing. Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. Whyf
and Lucha is on your album? You're on his album.
What is the relationship with him? And what do you
say to people who are online speaking about you and
Lucia finally becoming cool and saying that too much is
quote unquote happened for y'all to had buried the hatchet.

(21:24):
Of course, me as a big home as someone in
this space, I like to see that you understand. I
like to see y'all put that behind y'all and get
the money and push this thing forward. But what do
you say to people who don't look at it like
that and say, hey, man, too much has happened and
they shouldn't be doing music together.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
I feel like the reason why I would.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
I can accept a person like him over a person
like gunning them and not even bring me to bring
their name well neither. But the difference between those situations
are me and Luca was never friends. We started off
knowing each other as ops. You know what I'm saying.
Right like my first time ever hearing about you, we

(22:13):
was beefing ever in life, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
So it's like.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
You ain't you ain't betray me, you a OP.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
You're doing what you supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
You trying, you are trying to cause any type of
negativity towards me possible, you know what I'm saying. It's like,
I get it, you know what I'm saying. It's the
betrayal part that make it like hell and I that
they could fuck with a OP for I could fuck
with with my brother that betrayed me.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
I can't tell now what are you.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
But you know, we're dealing with people that's not street
people that's not street smart, people that ain't gonna put
two and two together. People ain't that ain't gonna be like,
let me step in, Isshue, Why would you hang with
a nigga that you was beefing with over an that
you already was hanging with because he did what he
was supposed to do as a man, as an opposition

(23:04):
he did was supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Hey, man, I'm against you.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
I supposed to do that, yeah, as opposed to it
that you don't supposed to go against you going against you.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
That's the difference, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
But like people ain't gonna know that, brother, People gonna
God damn, people gonna say what they want to say.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
But it's like you gotta understand too, Like everybody grow
and they live and learn too.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
And I feel like I feel like he demned now
the type of niggam. So it's like, man, I ain't
even trying to hurt on anybody that right, And I
hope he look at me the same way. I hope
he look at it like man, man I shouted shout
the same type damn man, yeah, man, and take care
of family, kids all type of shit. Man and god

(23:48):
damn a man to me right, Man, I ain't got
damn man brou we doing, we doing? Man, We ain't
against you don't get some money, man, give me something.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Man, we doing, We're doing. We link up.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
We got them click up, do us some songs and
got them going on on so bid were good.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
We do it. We don't we don't. We do we do?

Speaker 3 (24:06):
You know what I'm saying. But some people don't look
at it like man, you ain't got no bene to him.
But it's just like people be so burnt. Yeah, because
if you got the same people on the internet years
ago saying y'all faith before each other.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Ship.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Now y'all going to y'all done for yeah. Now now
were like we're cool Now they're like, man, you know
what I'm saying. You got an academic like I, Dug
and Luke, You're gonna get cool now. All the youngs
on both of their side crashed out for nothing. But
it's like you're gonna say they crashed out. And then
if I make them go try to kill Luca, or

(24:39):
if you make somebody go try to kill me you're
gonna say they crashed out for them, and then if
me and Lucy become cool, you're gonna say they crashed
out for then. It's just like you can't win.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
You can't win. Yeah, you know that's part of the
formulan this ship, like.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Mad cool Yeah yeah, yeah yeah man, beat it man,
you know, just certain you know what I mean, how
do you mean to talk about I don't even need
a card.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
It's a culture of it.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
It's like negad to him, Yeah, totally, Like it's a
whole section. It's just so hold facet online, Like it's
a sector of online.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
That deals with that type of behavior.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I'll be expressing that because like I don't have a
problem with him. That's his job he do, he's supposed
to do. You know what I'm saying. That's his that's
his job, that's his careert.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
That's what you do.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
So you're supposed to speak on what you what you
think you know, or what you want to say something about,
no matter what it is, Like you got your full
like you could do that and you know what I'm saying.
But like I be bringing up that type of ship
because I be wanting, like academics to look at this
interview too and be like, damn, like I am being
a hypocrite to a certain to a certain extent, you

(25:45):
know what I'm saying. Not trying to judge him on that,
but you know what I'm saying, it's all love, none
of respect for me, bro, But like you gotta you
gotta look at it. He gotta look at step out
of his body. He needs to have an out of
body experience and he needed just knows to what he's saying, Like,
you know what I'm saying. You you know what I'm saying.
You saying that. God damn, we done been to jail,

(26:06):
We done does life sentences. We don't need to getting
out of jail. No fake ass beef and keeping that
ship up. But now we link up and do a song.
Now that's a problem, right, It's just it's like when
you've been in a hipocrite like you wanted to be smoking.
You don't want to be smoking, like you know what
I mean, you're dealing You're dealing with that. So man,
come on, you know we turned the phone. The only

(26:28):
reason why knew about that little shit because some about
to show me this ship today.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Like now you don't be on that.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Ship may look at it and I'm like, man, crazy, Yeah,
some man basically stupid for Lyn for for ending some
beef that could have went a whole nother way and
got life sentences or get new commerce life sentence.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
And that's that's the crazy thing is that these kinds
of things have became become entertainment for people who don't
participate in them, right, And this is a very dangerous
formula for people to be acting like this is some
gladiator blood sport thing where they sit on the sidelines
and clap as people lose their life and people get

(27:09):
into it with each other and get portrayed and lose
their homies and you know, intimate moments come out. People
are clapping at the downfall of people like it's not
real life and not necessarily eving the downfall. People just
trying to intercept the past. It's like damn that Gladiator
school Man where it's like tam down. We want to

(27:30):
see y'all beef, We want to see y'all go at
each other. We don't want to see y'all cool. I
love that song on your album. I like the song
on his album We Post a Champion. The fact that
y'all are able to bury it a hatchet. You understand
what I'm saying. That's what we sposed to be doing.
You did, I had, and.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
I feel like academics feel that way back. He gotta
like he gotta. You gotta speak that way at all times.
It can't be It can't be hypocrite. It can't be
like off and on, because I know deep down you

(28:10):
probably feel that way. Deep down. You probably liked Damn
the even't got a song together. Bro, whoever we thought
you hear that, you know, but you ain't. You ain't
saying that. You gotta say that too. You can't just
think that in your mind. But you say some bullshit
because you want some clipbait or you want people to
look at your ship. You already got a fan base
like like when you got your fan based bid like that.

(28:31):
It's it don't supposed to entice you to be negative.
You're supposed to say, dang, but God gave me mins
up subscribe. I got millions of people on my ship
right now. That's to stride to me. Boy, Let me
put the right world out, let me do the right thing.
Let me God damn, I'm gonna stop feeding into this ship.
I already got big off of it. I don't want to,
you know, direct my entire life to this because it

(28:54):
ends up ruining you as a person. It end up
making you like that in real life, and then you
get to a point where you can't shake it. Now
it's just you. Yes, Now, that's that's you. That's the
real you know. You got to have a moment where
you turn it off. You gotta have a moment where
you like, I done, did all I can do. I'm
through with that. I'm on the next journey. I'm on

(29:15):
the next chapter. Yes, and that's what I'm doing. You
know what I'm saying, cause people probably can say the
same thing about me. But that's what I'm doing now
in the chapter. This ship over, after this album. That's
the most. That's the last I'm talking about any of
this ship. I ain't talking about at all. I'm going
to the next shop. I'm making better music. I'm making
pop stuff, ship, I'm making rock stuff, ship, I'm making
house music.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
I'm not even stunning hip hop shit.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
No more, I'm not even stunning all this ship like
because I'm trying to go, I'm trying to advance.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
I'm not trying to sit around.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
And be got damn complacent or be you know what
I'm saying content, Like like, bro, I'm not. I ain't
never been that. I always grew my whole career. I
always been on the up. You know what I'm saying.
I always grew, you know what I'm saying. But I
just hope he looked at this interview and I hope
he just understand like, all right, cool, Like maybe I
do to be more because he I don't think that

(30:03):
he negative. I think he just you. He make other
people negative, but he not negative, which is dangerous.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Like you know what I'm saying. You at home, happiest
living your life. You get off the internet, you're good,
You got your girlfriend, your family, your mama and whatever whatever.
But you make other people's life negative and then you
just click off of the internet and then you just
go live your life regular. Right, That's what you gotta understand,
and that's what you gotta like change. Yes, not even
just talking about him all everybody was doing that type shit.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah. Do you believe in Carmel?

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah? I believe all things exist. It's anything impossible, one thing,
it's only one thing in the world. I feel like
it's impossible, and that's being God. Anything else you could

(30:58):
do is possible. Ain't be on right anything else. I
think everything is possible except being him.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
What what what's your feelings on Whack one hundred.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Uh on the West West Coast game?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah? What you mean with my feeling about that?

Speaker 3 (31:20):
My man?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah? Yeah, what you mean by that? I'm just wondering.
You know, I had him on the show.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
You know, he called me here and that sometimes to
ask me questions. But I just wanted to know, you
know what I'm saying. I've seen him engage with your
name online sometime.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
What he said something about me? Well, I don't know.
I wouldn't call it bad. Well, I don't know. I haven't.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
I haven't tuned into everything he said. I think he
don't win rogue on you though?

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Whack one game game?

Speaker 3 (31:50):
What?

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Hey? That my man? That's your man?

Speaker 3 (31:53):
That?

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Okay, they probably cap They probably got.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Damn put in name. Just try to put a name
on some ship, that ship for show for sure. I
ain't never had no problem want he ain't never been there,
but got damn respect on his end with me and
my and on on you know.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was on the show. We had
a good conversation. We debated and he got kind of heated.
But that's what he does, you know, on this internet thing.
So you know, I took it for what it was.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
I seen him do some little internet fuse and ship
with with people and ship like that. But I am
not nothing about nothing about me.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
He always I can't tell you exactly what you know
what it was, but my people put up he said
about me. I don't know. We'll figure out.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
I'm getting yeah, make it, We'll figure out.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, man, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're got one or two
more things. A little dirt. What's your feelings? What's your
relationship with a little dirt? Last couple, Luise, you had
to encounter with some of the people that represent OTF.
It's just still love with Derk. Have you spoke with
Dirk with the things staying with him?

Speaker 3 (33:10):
I spoke to him one time he was in jail
for Shure, and I just told him, like, man, you
know everybody witch brother, we love your nigga. Head up,
chin up, You'll be alright, God willing, You'll get.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
On out of there. Brother. You're good, you solid. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
No, everybody got their ways. Brother, when they come down
to just being a man and being solid. He a
solid man, you know what I mean. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying. I only heard one conversation with him
since he been like that.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
You know.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
You know that that jail ship in the fair Man
nigga trying to be on front with us. Yeah, for sure, man,
she only do all that is put the police on us,
now twelve on us. That's why I went't call it
from jail, you know what I'm saying. I wasn't call
him any just sit on the phone with my girl.
But she that ended up hurting me though I end
up having regular conversations on the phone that was just
talking about other shit, you know, cause it's like she

(33:55):
I'm locked up.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
I can't talk about my case. I can't talk about
my case.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I can't talking about no big I can't talk about
nothing that got nothing to do with no street ship.
I can't talk about none of that. I can't do
nothing but talking talk about celebrities. So you know what
I'm saying. Like litally, I can't do much talk about
rappers and game gamers and people that play games, play
sports and you know what I'm saying, comedians, and just
like all I can do is talk about that type

(34:18):
of ship, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
So that's where a lot of them conversations stem from.
But ship.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
But but smirked, my brother, I love that a damn Now,
I'm never going to get that nigga.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Listen, we just shared too many real moments, too many
real stories, bro, Yeah, with me every day when he
was down bro, before he caught that wave he just caught,
he was with me every day. Now every day he
know that. That's that's my That's one thousand brother. What's
up a Slane?

Speaker 2 (34:47):
What's up? What's up?

Speaker 3 (34:49):
It's brouh one thousand, yeah, man, that's what he gonna
see what he say on.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
What What was it like when Drake came to Cobb County?
Did they shut it down? Like walk me through that?

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:01):
They had a nigga walk.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
They didn't walked through the jail bro badself here. Yeah,
like he ain't had no security. They had the police
with they had one of the police. You're in the jail,
you don't know what. But yeah, by itself basically and
then coming in all type cool ship like phones all
type of ship, Like it's crazy. Yeah, if I did

(35:23):
have a chance on still sneaking mill phone, he could,
it had to be that day. It would have had
to be that day, yeah, Drake wan man, Yeah he
shut that.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Down. But then they can't sell me.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
But that why I just felt so bad, Like even
the ship on a jail car because it's like, you
know all that ship that was on a jail call.
This ship was like my first two three weeks in
jail too. That wasn't even no ship, like like, you
know what I'm saying, because like my first two three weeks, man,
I say too much, my first two months in jail,
my first two to three months in jail, you know
what I'm saying. That's before I was talking to everybody

(35:57):
and just getting them outcome, getting like what I knew
about certain situations. Like I'm just literally in jail going
off of what I'm hearing on jail.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Cause but he's a beef and deep doing it. But
he can't.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
But this ship Metro Mama, Hell and I know that
did that? Bro Hell, I done talk to him though.
I told Rake this, you know what I'm saying, Like
conversations with all these hell you' suposed to do that.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
If you did that, you know, con to find out
it's other ship.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
But it's you're like, man, I'm telling him brother, the
brother like, nah, you ain't sposa do that, right, If
that's what's happened, If that's what happened, you ain't appost
to do that, you know what I'm saying. I had conversations,
and we gotta be able to do that with each other,
if we brothers, if we bro I'm not just sitting
around you being no being no dicks.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
I'm telling them.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
I had conversation with everybody, and I had these same
conversations with me, like man, your head, God, damn brother,
you trippish like I ain't got damn man, you're doing it, bro.
You know what I'm saying, Like that ship goes bo way,
you know what I'm saying. But but as far as
like dirt, yeah, my little brother Bright, I love that.
I sent my lawyer down there there. Yeah, I said,
Brian still down there for dirt. Yes, yeah that's a fact, yeah,

(37:06):
real facts. Yeah, we were.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
But we were talking about Drake coming to see you.
I think I think you and Drake new music gonna
be dope as well.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Man, Just be talking, man, Yeah, I'm moving for real,
man talking, I do this ship for real, for real.
I don't want to hear how the Shenanigans man, mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yeah, we don't want to hear the Shenanigan. The he
you're talking about these Snanicus. Man, what's your most impactful album?

(37:58):
You think?

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Your most impactful album.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Probably bought a six or god damn so much fun?

Speaker 2 (38:15):
So did what did you expect so much fun to do?
What it done? Was that like a great time? Like?
Was that? Did you have fun recording that?

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Here?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah? That she was it? S Well, it's tex.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Say to my lawyer, did she say, Brian still?

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, say Brian still? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Man, I'm covering that little dirt bill my brother. No,
I would not accept your money with your brothers.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
That's my brother. I got to I would not take your.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Money, my brother. It's my lawyer Brown right, I would
not take your money brother, my brother. I'm knowing that, Brian, But.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I got you.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
You're talking talk it's back this way back then. We
have too many conversations.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Just be the internet man talking. Were moving in real life, man, y'all, nigga,
you know what I'm saying that, And I'm not mad
at them because they feel like I said some perpetrating
ship on the phone or about smirk. You know what
I'm saying. I did feel wait did my brother? I
feel like so she had transpired. Not nothing that ever
happened with me and him, but I feel like, you

(39:27):
know what I'm saying, he he ain't come through one
time when he's supposed to. You know what I'm saying.
I always come through for him, no matter what. I
feel like one of the times he ain't get a
chance to get around to come through. So I guess
I was your man in jail, just talking shit like yeah, man,
ain't ain't got damn and they got them hell but
but come on, he man. I sent my lawyer down
there to him right just doing all their talking, were

(39:49):
moving for real. That's my little brother for real. Y'all
need to show y'all receipts. I'm having receipts. Y'all need
to show y'all receipts. Y'all need to just talk.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
I get it. Y'all mad, You got the right to
be mad. You vote to feel how you feel.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Bad, But me as a man, as a gangster, I
would let Dirt say something.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Because now you got it weird.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Now you got the situation weird with me and you
Now y'all, a few of y'all got the situation weird.
Now it's weird. So now when Dirt get out of
jail and he come around me, y'all not welcome. You
know what I'm saying. Yeah, now, when Dirt get out
of jail, now, men, men and Brush still brother because
we locked in. We ain't going against each other. But
I don't know y'all. That is a weird situation with y'all.

(40:31):
But you know, y'all, Nigga can't come around me now
unless Dirt said. Even my folks theyre coming. They they cool,
but now gonna be awkward. Now weird because just jump
the gun like y'all. Now, yea grown man. Wrong for sure.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
You know what I'm saying. Your niggas is in the wrong. Nigga.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Don't spend it big nigga. Don't actually to help them, y'all. Nigga,
get you some money, man, now, yas some money now
there man, Yeah, don't go for waiting. Did in this
rap career he needed locked up on ger then what
they got he needed.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Y'all since some money down there?

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Just talking. I need just talking man, yea, I shut up, man,
I need just talking because I said, Brian still down there.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
So whenever y'all need next that then y'all can get
any business. Y'all need to stand down. You know what
I'm saying. Brian still got damn he he uh. Brian
still also represents Diddy. Have you had any kind of
interaction with him?

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah, I talked.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
I talked her one time, probably twice, just told him
she congratulations on winning.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Man.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
You know, God with you, he'll be out in the minute.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Man.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
You know they trying to God damn. You know they're
trying to show you got them. Get your mind right,
don't play with us.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
He fed.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
You know, they're just trying to show you he'll be right.
Whatever help. The ship you did could get convicted far.
I know one thing that don't care like since right,
so it end up whatever help. Yeah, getting out one
day for sure. As long as you know then man
only you're like, man, do what you need to do. Man,
standing down? Yeah, you know what I'm saying, watch your circle. Yeah,
you keep them squash out your circle. Man. Yeah, I

(42:05):
ain't going on on man, that's how I go.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, he on his way out the head. You're gonna
see what they do with him. He got you donna
be out any day, man. Yeah, he doing what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Man.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
You know, I just man bro like.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
I feel, I take accountability.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
I overly did he wrong.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
I ain't no being on the phone talking no girl
about none of my bros. No, but I wasn't looking
at no certain type of way that my old lady mother.
So what me and my wife talk about everything? You
know what I'm saying, and the crazy war it is
before jail, I never did. Ain't no other in this
world tell you, how ever, in my life pie to
talk with about no niggas. Right, we're too high, we're
too riches for living life like You're gonna have to

(42:45):
put me in a situation like jail with no way
out and no motion, have no phones, no nothing for
me to even get that vulnerable. I'm telling you I'm
not even that vulnerable. I don't come like that, right.
We gangstous, We moving no man benning man, we stand
no man be the man.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Operate like that. That's straight jail ship.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
But I don't want to keep going through that ship man,
reliving it man, we got them living life man.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah yeah nah, But you know, I think you could
tell that you know what I'm saying. You don't like
what happened with all this shit? Yeah, you know what
I'm saying. You can definitely tell that that that plays
a part on you.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Because I stand on that as a man.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Man. We ain't talking to no girl. Hell no, your girlfriend,
your sister, your daughter, or your mama. We ain't talking
no about no girls, no girls, and no girls coming
to play when it's man business man, no matter what,
no girl come and play. I live by that rule.
I broke that coat. I gotta live with it like
a man. That's why I apologize, did a old song type.

(43:44):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Apologize to my folk who I love. You know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
That's ship, That's how it goes. And go from there
and go from there. Man, were living for We're going
forward man, Yeah you know.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah, And you ain't got no choice. Really, you gotta
push it. You just gotta keep pushing that move man,
and see what's going fact. You know what I'm saying.
I think you'll be all right, do you straight?

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Man?

Speaker 1 (44:05):
It's just I don't like when with this kind of money, fame, ego,
all this ship, it'll get shipped, it'll get shipped up,
leave ship in the air, and I don't think like
I think if brothers man, gotta really pull it down,
get it all on the floor, not in the air.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Put it on the floor.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
I feel like it happened publicly, so that's why that's
why I apologize publicly. I'm saying, we do need to
have some conversations, though, me and the bro still just
have more conversations than just get that ship on the
floor like you said for show. But I feel like
I took I took the big step, you know what
I mean, hey man publicly apologizing.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
I love y'all.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Y'all ain't never going against you at my bad right.
I ain't had no beny doing that. I love you,
never against you know that. I know that we didn't
have too many pep talks and men talk even after
I got out of jail. You know them conversations happened
in jail, so we not got in jailing did a
lot of proof And why why I'm one thousand understand me.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
We all go living.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Yes, sir, we're kicking it man. Everybody to do it
for sure. Everybody who I wanted on my album on
the album. Everything that's loaded. That's how you answered that.
It's really loaded though, and just look at it, everybody,
I want it on the album. On the album here
you're talking about, well, no, no, sel drake, drake, he busy,
he doing, he running around, doing what he's doing. I

(45:27):
wanted a drink on the album. He couldn't get on there.
But we he don't hit you already. Hey, bro, I
don't never think I'm against you. I love you to death.
I'm busy. I sing you some songs. I really don't
like none of these songs, because you know I already
know how I'm coming with the album. So he's like,
all the songs that I got ready, I don't think
now one of them fits your album. So I don't
even if you want to just just jump the gun

(45:47):
and put it, put it on your album, just go ahead.
But other than that, I don't think now one of
these songs fit what you're doing on this album.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
So go on and do your ship wrong. Good day.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
We put something two three weeks after the album.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
I don't care. We don'll come right back. You know what.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
I'm just like, shit, you know, ain't no pressure, bro,
I love you that I drove them put you apart.
I jove, I'm trying to make you a part of
the album so the world can see that you can't
divide a conquer real Nicks. You know what I'm saying.
It went for no no views, no looks, no strings, no. Now,
I don't care about all this shit. Don't make me
shit appear man, grown man, we boss, you know what
I'm saying. We got too many entities. Man, Yeah, we
ain't tripping bout no strings.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
It will strictly just show the world and we brothers
and y'all can't any ship, no matter how much y'all try,
no matter how hard y'all need to.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Work, can't end it. Yeah. We here. We here to
stay for sure, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
But when you got out, what was the first ship
you've done? When you got out of that day from court?

Speaker 2 (46:41):
So I just went to the to the mansion in
the mountain.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Man on top of the mounta man four thousand feet
out of ground, tallest mountain in Atlanta, North North Georgia.
I'm in a mountain, man, kicking shit with my family. Man,
my kids, old lady. Man. You know what I'm saying.
Ain't got damn you know what I'm saying. Getting rubbed
on every now in that bed, man, pushing that shit,
man and making good music. Man, eat brothers, lunch and dinner,
man three times a day. Man, whole family, mom dukes.

(47:07):
Now them foreigns out there in the driveway. Man, I
purchased every one of you, all my sisters and brothers
and mama girls. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. All
my friends, everybody putting up them foreign joints.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Man. Yes, lor what I'm saying. Yea, I feel good.
You know I ask them to do with most of that.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Man.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
You know what I'm saying. Man, We rich Man, We
living like we happy? Yeah? Man, I am happy. That's lovely.
What about so? Uh?

Speaker 1 (47:26):
I know that the fans also want to know by Mariah.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Are y'all okay, are y'all making it through this thing? Man?

Speaker 3 (47:34):
If I can say one thing to Marija right now, man,
it'll just be just tell me you love me, Just
tell me I'm wit you right, fuck that I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
You know what I'm saying. Other than that, but we
overly good though. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Yeah, but that's deep though, because it's like bad with me,
be there with me no matter what. That's what make you.
That's what make a woman a woman. That's what make
a woman a wife, you know. Not being able to
get took off a horse.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Not being able to lest somebody, you know, divide and
conquer your love and your situation and what you want,
what you feel in your heart right no matter what.
Don't let nobody do it unless you want to do it.
If you want to do it, you do it. If not,
don't let nobody stop you from doing something you want
to do.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
You know what I'm saying that.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
But that's that's that's good that y'all good man, Cause
like I said, I think the fans will want to
know about that as well. You know what I'm saying,
because she she was there for you in that situation
that I know you care for I wonder you know
what I'm saying. So I think it's just imperative that
you know what I mean, y'all fixed that some kind

(48:49):
of way and make sure y'all good, you know, keep
the family together, you know.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Man, you know that my stuff. Man, we locked damn man,
But y'all just tell me you love it.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Man, that's important.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
You have to hear right now. Did you feel like
nobody done that? Like after all this going on? Just like, Yo,
I'm with I'm with you, Spider, I love you. The
whole world going against you, you understand me, the internet
going against you. Was there anyone that was or did
you feel like enough people like Yo, no matter what,

(49:25):
I'm with you, you know what I mean, the world turning
on you. I'm with you. Did you feel like enough
people gave you that energy?

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Being real though, I just got so many family members.
That's a lot of people, my kids, God damn, some
of my rap friends, Goda damn. You know, a lot
of friends, a lot of normal people, a lot of
people for show rocking with me, a lot of people
like goddamn.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Thought that.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
We understand, right, shut up and go for it, right,
we understand.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
That's what we're doing. We're going forward.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
You just shut up and go forward, man, we understand.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yes, what's next? For what's next for King Spider?

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Shit, I'm gonna drop another album probably about three months,
three month from now, I'm dropping another album. But I
feel like I want to move on to the next
chapter of my life and just make happy ass music
and just like get over this hump of me just
being like hurt or just like not whole not you
know what I'm saying. I want to just be wholesome again.
I want to just move in the direction that God

(50:31):
is telling me to move in. I feel like I
just gotta get this off my chest and then I
just move in that in that direction, God won't be moving,
you know. So I'm gonna drop album probably about two
three months. I don't want this album to be out
too long and then people just think like all.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
This is what it is.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
No, I want to be happier. Yes, I want to
keep dealing with this, this coping that I'm dealing with.
You know what I'm saying. I want to get better.
I have talks on the regular with people I love,
you know. I just I'm just getting better. I'm just
going through the motions. I'm just going through the depression.
I'm going through all that. Just just just it, you know,
accepting it and just living with it like that winning

(51:06):
on my chest, you.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Know, healing more importantly healing.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Yeah, I'm wearing on my chest man, I'm healing. Let's
go whatever, come with it.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
I'm with it. Dope.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
That's that's that's that's the mindset I got right now.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
It's dope.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Do you how far are you in your creative process
into just your next run like far as? Like do
you have concepts already laying around or are you just
blanking just no, I don't know where I'm going with it,
but I got an album coming, or do you kind
of feel like I know what routes I'm taking to
get where I'm going. It's like ezy eyes want to

(51:43):
Kirk Obain storyline but super.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
House music, pop star.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Downs and like vibes but real cool storylines, super cool storyline, right,
you know what I'm saying. Like a lot of just
like turned up lit shit was just like so happy
and just you know, happy music, like for real, like
like that type of wave cut ship.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Ship.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
That's just you know, because like your voice in this
music industry, like the music and all this ship play
a really deep part in like your transition to So
you gotta do the music in order to start being,
in order to start thinking that way you gotta start
with that. Yeah, you gotta start watching what you eating.

(52:40):
You gotta start changing your music. You gotta expand your
mindset because that's what makes you start seeing certain shit.
Like you, expand your vocabulary. Start stop cussing so much.
Expand the vocabulary because we don't.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
We block out.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
It's probably one hundred thousand cuss words or a thousand
cuss words. That's a thousand words that I've blocked out
to use cussword, to use cusswords, man, that's a thousand words.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
I can learn. You know what I'm saying, And we
on that.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Bro, we just want to be better bro, right, right, right,
but also just dealing with the emotions and going through
it and not skipping over it, because I feel like
that's what other do. Skip over the important shit, skip
over what's right, skip over like acknowledging, and skip over
like righteousness being real, just skip over there. I don't
want to be that. I want I want to be
super in touch with my feelings. I want to be
a better man. I got daughters, I got girl, I

(53:31):
got all.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Types of shit.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
I want to be better, right, I got to get
in touch with my feelings. I gotta know This is
how I act. This is how I look when I'm
going through this. This is how I need to act
when I'm going through this. This is how I need
to be perceived. This is how I need it.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
You know.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
I just want to just be a better person. I
want to be a better man, more of a man.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Bro right, Yeah, because it's important.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
As we get older, we worry about not only we
worry about how we're received right even by people. It's like,
I don't want to hurt y'all. You know what I'm saying,
based on what happened to me on the field, I
gotta figure a way to leave work at work and
when I'm with y'all. Don't let these two kind of intermingle,

(54:11):
you know, with each other, because man, this industry will
do some things to you that your family can't bad
with you, see what I'm saying. Far It's like it'll
twist and turn your sensibilities, you see what I'm saying,
and then you'll be in a scenario where you'll start
pouring that shit on your family and things of that nature.

(54:34):
So I'm just glad that you're feeling like yo, Lode,
I'm gonna hear and I'm here for this part, right.
I can't wait to on the other side of it.
Whereas like now, Bruh, he went through that, y'all saw that.
He happy again. He back giving in spite of going

(54:56):
through what he went through. He's back on the mountain
doing on what he's known to do. Because I feel it.
I feel like us people that do that. Br That's
why I wanted to ask who makes the phone call
for you?

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Right?

Speaker 1 (55:10):
It's like us facilitators don't get facilitated for you, see
what I'm saying, because they always feel like, oh, well
he got it, he got it. You know, he don't
need nothing. No, But I don't even worry about Bruh.
He he wanted them kind facts, you know what I'm saying.
And so I just pray that man, when in our
time and need and all these all black men out

(55:31):
there that you know, carry the family or carry the loader,
feel like they carry the load. It's like sometimes we
need people to facilitate for us, you know what I'm saying,
and be on our side man. So you know, it's
a beautiful life we live. It's a beautiful life man.
Anything else you want to leave the fans with before

(55:51):
we get out.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Of here and make sure y'all check out the but
loooon man.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
The boy.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
The boy's very man like, you know, substantially smart man,
pedagogical man, and just a good guy all around. Man.
Be toned, stay tuned. And I got more albums come out,
coming out. I got more work, I got you know,
I got sports agencies. I got so many things launching. Man,
I got this rodeo Spider coming out soon.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Man, we're doing this rodeo. The Adidas and techy we
ain't talk about that. Let's talk about some of that shit.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Adidas isn't coming twenty twenty six though. Okay, well, let's
talk about the rodeo thing. The rodeo shit coming up soon.
We're doing the rodeo thing.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
We're doing the.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Kentucky Derby, like we're doing our whole shit. But it's
gonna be a spider rodeo, got horses, got like a
lot of vibes, a lot of cool clothes, a lot
of just like good vibes, like good things. Man, y'all
make sure y'all be a part of that. All the
information on that, you know, that's gonna come out on
the internet and all y'all gonna know all that.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
But the Spider merchans. We ain't talked about your brand
because that's not merch. That's actually a brand. Absolutely, it's
a difference. Merch is some shit that you just sell
on tour and on roll out time. This right here
is a standalone brand. If your music even decides to
do whatever is doing, you have a standalone brand with absolutely, Spider.

(57:09):
Tell me about creating that, watching it take off while
you were in jail, and also there was an infringement
that you capitalized on with that, and then we'll get
out of this joint.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Man.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
You know, I feel like the fans been a part
of this whole Spider journey, so it ain't too much
to speak on. But man, you know, we started Spider
and we started using the five because it was like
the fifth edition, and we just stuck with it. When
they had something to do with you know, my little
brother Juice World, he was pushing the five, so I

(57:43):
just always stuck with the five. That's some of the
importance of the Spider. Man. We got this. You are
school this merch. You buy this right here, you by
the albums, you get the merch to come with it. Man,
Spider you know, we got this Adida line coming out
super soon. It's gonna be twenty twenty sixth though, but
which as soon about three two or three months?

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Damn there.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Yeah, we're gonna it's gonna be nice. We got we
got nice stuff coming man, nice stuff. Make sure y'all
stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
I think I think you did a great job on
your first run with that ship.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
How much did you spend? What was the investment?

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Like?

Speaker 2 (58:16):
How did you like the first time I did it?

Speaker 3 (58:19):
It was just because people looking at me like a
like a fast night come. When I first did it,
I was just testing the water just to see. We
probably spent by one hundred two just making making making
different pieces. We had a lot of one on one pieces.
I did my first drop in London. I think it

(58:40):
was London.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
The pairt.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
I did my first drop pop up shot was in London.
Uh sold out. It's pretty cool. Like from that point on,
I knew, like, is.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
It they like it? You know? Thank god?

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Man?

Speaker 2 (58:57):
That was big on fashion fast. I said, yeah, that
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
I even though I'm seeing peaks of that even in
the UI school, even though you reflecting and going through Yo,
this is my first time since I got out really
dropping something. I still see like the album cover and
I see like some of the magazine covers where you're
dressed in You still have that brand identity that we

(59:24):
talk about Spider is known for. Thug is known for
standing out amongst the rappers that even rap with the
melodic style. So I still see that, and I think
your fans want you to get back to more of that.
You know, bigger like you work because you were bigger
than life. You understand what I'm saying. But again, you're
going through a process and people just got a bead

(59:46):
with it because it's real life. You're a real human
being that just had your life at risk, you know,
dealing with your scenario, you know. And so man, you know,
like I say, you know this ain't this ain't your last.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Time on here. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
You know I'm doing waam shit, Dominique Rolot, so do
your your ship.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
So this is that's a blessing, man, And again I
want to thank you for we get out of here,
for even blessing the platform real do real things.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Oh man, I appreciate you, my brother, love love man.
Then it's all you need me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Oh god, it's up that podcast. I'll take that game
and do something with it. Get it.
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