Here’s Why Joe Budden Almost Fired Melissa Ford Over "Gimmie a Hug" By Drake | Its Up There Podcast - ITS UP THERE PODCAST W/LOONEY

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I swear he called me, he and I did something
You're gonna be proud of me.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I said, what'd you do? Because I was up late
when that merch capsule dropped and I saw the image
of him four and I thought it was a great picture.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Mel looks great. But I saw Drake put a little
website on top of it. Went on to domain dot
com to make sure there was any ownership. No one
owned it.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
The Drake team slipped and didn't buy it. I bought
it and routed it right. It's our patriarch page.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
So today we sank Drakes and it's huge because that's
a real piece of merch.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Great mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
So it's not a gift from Drake. It's a gift
from our team. However, I liked a better one.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
It was a gift for him, but.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
We could still play it like it is because it
is now well, I mean it still is, That's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Video Vixen's dot ca is gonna be a real thing.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Traffic goes through the wa suit it is.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
I have the whole Patriot on team tracking.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Oh the traffic put him on the first.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Thank you, and that's not an April fools. So thank
you Jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, that was my next question. I try to April
fools me today.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
No, this is a real thing. I thought he was
fucking with me too. I was like, Tyler, be serious.
He's like, I'm dead serious. I was up the second
and drop. I checked the domain on that sweatshirt. I
saw it was unoccupied.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Ship.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I'll take you hey, check me one for the good guys.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Damn, that's funny though something.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Oh my goodness, you pretendious pos see you you see
what being greedy can get you? Imagine this, even imagine
if Joe Budden was in a scenario where he was

(02:02):
signing the Spotify Drake drops an album with a Joe
Budden face on it Spotify goals and drops the url
and route it to a show that he doesn't even own.
Mail has nothing to do with the Joe Budden podcast
Patreon number one and number two. You open us up
for financial liability because in the event we say we'll

(02:22):
split this with you Mail, Now what happens we have
to open the books up. And any event we say
we're not opening the books, she can literally go and
sue us. And now see all of the money we've
made and the lines can be so blurred that we
may end up having to pay more than even the traction.
It was a complete overreach because these people are greedy,

(02:44):
and now these people are the corporate structures that they've
built their brands up on going against these corporate structures.
Now they're utilizing the very same techt N. Swartzman and
whoever works for him and degreed that sits on the
side of these corporate solutions and infrastructures that Joe Budden
has now found himself turned into. He is now part

(03:06):
of the problem that once he was fighting for a
solution for. He is now part of the issue. Again,
this was not innovation. It was an overreach. So at first,
you know, I'm thinking, Yo, he's shooting a shot that
Joe maybe some kind of weird flex for Joe. But
when I found out that they brought the U R
l oh no, oh, whoa. This story is way way,

(03:29):
way more complicated.

Speaker 5 (03:42):
And if you ain't talking no door to night, ain't interested. Look,
they say, this guy's the limit.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
I'm going farther than that.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
She get doing on my phone, So I called her mama,
come and get your daughter back. They said, want a
little better thing. Get them boys wagon, what lil and
I bush of brain, but get all.

Speaker 7 (03:57):
That they did.

Speaker 6 (03:58):
This guy's the limb. I'm going farther.

Speaker 8 (04:01):
You can try to, but can't kim.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
I'm bad.

Speaker 6 (04:04):
I just bought a nigga life as in did de side?

Speaker 9 (04:06):
Come with that?

Speaker 6 (04:07):
All you leave the reason you broke? You don't know
how I'm trying. It ain't no.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
I'm stress on red Rod Reddye, Hey, Block one twelve,
come out. You know, I'm thinking to the bullets, asking
for a bullet because he never felt one, sticking to
the wilds and nail guns, riding with a doubts on
a nail something.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
And got your welcome back to us up there podcast.
I am your active and attractive host, Big Loom for
another episode of the Fastest Groom. You know the Vibe
just spoke about brick Baby Adam twenty two not paying
his bond academics all of that. I mean, we have
a lot more we can speak about, but before I
get out of here, I want to have a conversation

(04:45):
to the creators. Oftentimes on your road to your destiny,
chasing your dreams. It's filled with master manipulators and also
a cautionary tail to everyone out there that's in the
business that sometimes you can speak about business and you
don't really know the standard practice and procedures.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Right.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
I remember having an interview with l Russell, and as
you noticed, over the last couple of years, Larrussell has
changed his stance on the integration between him and a
major label. You know, he entertains a major label partnership
at this point because he feels like, Yo, I have
the infrastructure to really capitalize off of it, and I
kind of understand it from a different perspective now. In

(05:26):
his opinion, he had certain outlooks that he has now
revisited and he's recalibrated his response and his consideration again
to partner up with a label. And so Larussell is
someone that I have a lot of respect for, a
great deal of respect for a friend of the show. Well,
today is not about Larussell. Today is about Joe Budden.

(05:48):
For people who don't know Joe Budden podcast has had
a very illustrious career. Started off his out name in
his podcast, later with a couple of friends, Roal Ymall
and another young lady. Your name escapes me, pardon me,
somewhere along the lines got to deal with Spotify changed
the name to the Joe Button Podcast. That was kind

(06:08):
of the beginning of the end of that iteration of
the podcast. And so I want to pause right there,
right before the destruction of the original cast of the
Joe Button Podcast, there was a deal on the table
from Spotify. This Spotify deal was a very interesting deal.
And so we're gonna get to that in a second.
But today we want to focus on again the creators

(06:31):
in the terms of conditions of being a creator. And
I wasn't gonna speak about this stuff, but I waited
and I waited for anyone to do the science. And again, man,
like all of these videos, all of these techniques, all
of these information is just it's like a handbook for
the creators. I'm really for the creators. I'm really for
the people who are actually trying to figure it out

(06:53):
and without being insulated. A lot of these people were
insulated with fame and relationships in the business now have relationships.
But it's just interesting to see how people navigated they
will around this this business and industry. But let me
give you, guys what we're talking about today. So for
people who don't know. Drake just dropped an album Some

(07:15):
Sexy Songs for You, featuring Party next Door. It was
like a joint album, a couple of those songs on
there with some songs that are actually getting some traction.
This is the boy trying to get back in his bag.
He had one particular song on there called give Me
a Hug. This song was aimed at celebrating Melissa Ford,
but also down playing Joe Budden. I think he said

(07:37):
something in that song about Melissa Ford, you a legend.
I hate you sitting next to a dick sucker. Joe
Budden being the person that sits directly next to Melissa Ford,
he understood it was a shot at him. Joe has
been instrumental in tearing Drake down and assisting Kendrick Lamar
and removing whatever attributes or cachet that Drake has earned

(07:57):
in the culture. They've been doing that best to try
to erase that and call into question a lot of
the abilities he built his career on. Drake probably viewsed
Joe as an advisary. I could talk about that, but
die that to me, that's not a story. The whole
industry knows that. I'm sure the people watching this knows
that what I want to speak to is what happened following.

(08:19):
I want to speak to what happened following to give
me the Hug song what Drake mentioned Melissa for, and
so the song drops Give Me a Hug. It goes
viral Melissa for its being celebrated. Melissa Ford embraces it.
This now causes us a fake divide between her and
Joe Budden Podcast. Drake has put her in a situation

(08:40):
where the bars are so close it's almost you can't
celebrate you without down in me. But Melissa found some
kind of way to I guess cut out the part
where he spoke about Joe Budden. For the people that's
operating with any amount of game, there's a lot of
information just in the interactions up there at Joe Budden
Podcast and also just in content world, like you can

(09:03):
tell shit just by who worked with who, who answer
the phone calls, who don't return. It's just certain things
you notice if you're paying attention.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Right.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
So, when Melissa Ford is at the Joe Button Podcast,
clearly she seems to be having some arrested development outside
of the show, so she wants to lean in and
actually get something for herself, actually has something for her,
like I want to have some I can hold on too,
instead of I gotta take you nick jokes every time

(09:32):
y'all feel bad, right, or every time you want to
make me look stupid for the butt of your joke, right,
because it's entertainment. I gotta deal with that, you know.
A while back, I kind of felt like they did
a bait and switch on Melissa Ford. Look, I'll be honest,
old women, older women come to me about Melissa Ford.
They know I'm in the space, so they be like,

(09:52):
what about that dude, Joe Budden. I don't like how
they talk about Melissa Ford. And I promise to God
they don't watch the show that not on Twitter. These
are really elderly women. What happens is some of those
clips creep into these other worlds and it has no context.
So a lot of times it's the clips where you

(10:13):
know people are downgrading and down playing, in disregarding and
trying to dismantle whatever Melissa Ford is presenting in the conversation.
And so Melissa Ford embraced Drake begging her up in
a song while belittle in her boss in the next line,
and again there was so much information in that. We

(10:35):
get some very interesting information that made me say, Joe
Budden is turned into the people he used to criticize.
And so for context, Drake is on his rollout for
some sexy songs for you. So I mean, when you're
on a rollout, you're doing merch. He doesn't do interviews,
which I think hurts him. Is gonna hurt him at
some point. He's got to speak to the narratives, and

(10:55):
he has to speak to his techniques at and his
next steps right, speak to your right. He has to,
but he hasn't done any interviews. But you do things
to promote your album. You do things to market your
album and try to get different markets interested in the music.
That has dropped Drake in that mold he drops. One
of the merch drops was a picture of Melissa Ford

(11:17):
when she was in her heyday, on the side of
a hoodie and it had a ur l. It had
a www. Dot Viral Video Vixens dot caa type website,
and the Internet peeked at. And so the Internet came
out and said Drake has actually routed the merge to
Joe Budden's podcast Patreon, which is a paid site, and

(11:41):
so everybody's like, oh, that was kind of a nod
from Drake. And then we saw this video make his
rounds on a Twitter and on some of the podcast communities.
Pay attention, shut up.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Ain't know why you.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Don't, buddy, ain't know why. Its just as I thought,
maybe it's a jab to Joe still sending people over
to you.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
It's on me.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
I'm the big guy on campus. Couldn't be further from
the truth.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Our guy, Tyler saw the merch drop the minute it dropped,
went and bought video Vixen's dot ca and routed it
right to your Patreon page.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
I I swear. He called me and I did something.
You're going to be proud of me. He said, what'd
you do?

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Because I was up late when that merch capsule dropped
and I saw the image of them four and I
thought it was a great picture. Mel looks great. But
I saw Drake put a little website.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
On top of it.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Went on to domain dot com to make sure there
was any ownership.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
No one owned it.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
The Drake team slipped and didn't buy it. I bought
it and routed it right Patriot page.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
So today.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
We said, Drake, it's great, and it's huge because that's
a real piece of merch.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Great mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
So it's not a gift from Drake. It's a gift
from our team.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
However, I liked it better when it was a gift
from him.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
But we could still play it like it is because
it is now.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Well, I mean it still is.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
That's what I'm saying. Video Vixens dot ca is gonna
be a real thing.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Traffic a month goes through the Watsu it is.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I have the whole Patriot on team tracking.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Oh the traffic. Put him on the first say thank you.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
And that's not in April Fools. So thank you, Jersey.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, that was my next question. My tryed to April
fools me today.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
No, this is a real thing. I thought he was
fucking with me too. I was like, Tyler, be serious.
He's like, I'm dead serious. I was up the second
and drop. I checked the domain on that sweatshirt. I
saw it was unoccupied. Shure, I'll tell you, hey, check
me one for the good guys.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Damn, that's funny though something.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Oh my goodness, you pretentious pos see you you see
what being greedy can get you. Ian Schwartzman and whoever
works for him, and the greed that sits on the
side of these corporate institutions and infrastructures that Joe Budden

(14:39):
has now found himself turned into. He is now part
of the problem that once he was fighting for a
solution for. He is now part of an issue. Imagine this.
Imagine if Joe Budden was in a scenario where he
was signing the Spotify Drake drops an album with a
Joe Budden face on it Spotify five Goals and drops

(15:01):
the URL and route it to a show that he
doesn't even own. Mail has nothing to do with the
Joe Budden podcast Patreon number one and number two. You
open us up for financial liability because in the event
we say we'll split this with you Mail, now what
happens we have to open the books up, and any
event we say we're not opening the books, she can

(15:22):
literally go and sue us and now see all of
the money we've made, and the lines could be so
blurred that we may end up having to pay more
than even the traction. It was a complete overreach because
these people are greedy, and now these people are the
corporate structures that they've built their brands up on going
against these corporate structures. Now they're utilizing the very same tactics. Again,

(15:46):
this was not innovation, It was an overreach. So at first,
you know, I'm thinking, Yo, he's shooting a shot that
Joe maybe is some kind of weird flex for Joe.
But when I found out that they brought the URL,
oh no, oh whoa. This story is way, way, way
more complicated because you know what the you know what

(16:17):
the quote unquote team of Joe Budden saw. They saw
unclaimed treasure chips. Yo, you don't own mail the same
way Spotify didn't own Joe Budden, the same way Complex
didn't own Joe Budden. Imagine routing that to a fuck
show that this lady can be fired from in the
next week. She has no ownership in that show. Why
would you route that? So all of y'all gonna just

(16:39):
take advantage of the black woman in this point, ain't it.
You got Drake putting a picture up there in her
word is not compensating her for it. So that's her
image and likeness on a hoodie being sold somewhere and
she gets no money. You got the people she works
for that then takes and purchases the ure l that's
on the back of the hoodie that Drake is now
promoting one of the biggest artists is in the world,

(16:59):
and then to an already seven figure a month Patreon
while this woman is trying to build a business, trying
to build a studio, she's just bro It's nasty behavior.
There's no way to escape this one. This was nasty behavior,
and no one called it out. No one called it out.
Everyone just saw it and said yo. I think they

(17:20):
just was hush about it. But I'm like, yo, hold on,
he built this whole career off. Don't take advantage of
the creator. They wouldn't give us Rolex watches, Spotify, wouldn't
respect us in a way where they would even honor
the fact we was number one for so long. The
corporate games of losing the numbers, the corporate games of

(17:42):
pillaging the audience. Even when you look at the cas
sometimes it's fifteen men in there and just mail. There's
no way this is a balanced workplace. I don't give
a fuck what nobody say. And so Joe need to
get some more women in that not on camera women.
If you ask me, and I'm being honest with this,
this is just my observation. It could be true, could

(18:02):
be false. Mail looks miserable. Mail looks like the lady
that is now bagging groceries at the job that she
didn't want in the first place. If you can just
rewind and see how happy Mail was on the push up,
It's been a long time since since she's been viewed
that way by the audience. If the story stopped there,
I still may not have reported on it, because I

(18:25):
know his fans are sheep and a lot of these
individuals are just gonna look over a lot of these things.
They can't even see it through the proper lens. It's
not a clear picture. It's alreadys distorted to side with
him some kind of way. It's always distorted, which that's
what fans are for. That's what my fans do. I
don't have a lot of fans my supporters. They taking

(18:45):
information and they can be critical of the information. But
some of us have more fans than others, and I
would say Joe has a lot of fans who who
blindly support and blindly agree with some of the rhetoric
that he pushes. Part of the reason I wanted to
understand the business was because of some of the Joe
Budden and the Spotify breakups. Like to see him go like, oh,

(19:07):
some business happened. He's gonna he's gonna talk about it
for ninety minutes.

Speaker 10 (19:11):
You know.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
I remember interviewing mal and I told mall yo, the
show's gonna change. There will be no more rents about business.
Number one because he feels like I'm teaching people how
to use these tactics against me. So I'm speaking freely
on the mic, and then they're coming to use the
same game playing against me. And you never want to
beat you against you. I don't never teach you everything
I know. I just teach you everything you know. So

(19:33):
that was number one and number two, you just won't
get the space to clear out. Marlin, Marl and Rory
were in a position where they understood the clearout for
twenty minutes and let him go on this little rant
about the business and he was really feeding coating. And
now these dudes sit around and talk about give me
the time where you got mad at the girl and
dropped her off and you got niggas like it's on

(19:55):
the podcast. Listen, they claim all these people watching this,
how they sitting on them? Give me the time when
the girl, uh, give me the time when the girl.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Tried to eat your ass.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
You know, it's just like before all of that, he
was way more focused on giving information and being available
for the people in a way where he was resourceful
and useful. Now it's just like a bunch of BS
bullshit talk. It gets even more interesting again. I may
not would have talked about it if it was just that,
But it gets even more interesting when Joe Budden then
tells Melissa Ford, I saw a press release where you

(20:33):
kind of mentioned that whole Drake thing. Don't mention my
name in any press release even though you work here.

Speaker 8 (20:43):
He check this out.

Speaker 9 (20:45):
If Meil wouldn't engage in the first place, engaging once
with Drake and all that shit with the audio on
Instagram and all that stuff, we wouldn't be here. I'm
saying that you would use as a tool. You would
use as a tool initially to get under joke skin,
and because.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
I mean, look at look at Ice. Look look how
Ice looks right here. Look I mean this is supposed
to be podcasting. Look at Ice. Let me be honest
with you about podcast And then, particularly in that little
niche that they're in right, the little niche deal that's
dealing with crime and hip hop and rapping music. You know,

(21:26):
the Joe Buddens, the Adams, the academics. You know, I'm
in that tool, but but I don't really swim in
that pool as much.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
You know.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
But it feels like, and I would even say me too,
if I'm being honest, It just feels like that the
the the entire market is just exhausted. It almost feels
like the market feels like, Yah, we've talked about everything.
We've had all iterations of everything that we can do.
We've did the We've did the gender wars, we did
the political shit with Trump twice, we did the Black President,

(21:58):
we did the Drake b It just it feels like
that they're they're just raking in the money now. Everyone
is going for low hanging fruit and so while we're
in the middle of tariffs. This is why I say
that Joe Bunnon podcast right, his fans are delusion on
when they talk about that it's even on the same
level as the breakfast club, because the breakfast club is
literally a service for our community. You can cut on

(22:20):
the Joe Bundnon podcast and they'll take two or three
hours and talk about mail and ish and just bullshit. Right,
it's not the same thing. If Kentucky is underwater, you'll
know when they record in New York in the morning
at the breakfast club.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Right.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
So they still act as a service for us. And
while Joe Budden is doing this differently than maybe a
Vlad Academics and no Jumper, it still feels like he
flourishes over the friction in the same way. It doesn't
feel like that. It feels like they've been removed from
those conversations that were really important to the culture, like

(22:58):
when a big contract is signed. JD just did a deal.
They didn't have a peep. They didn't speak about it
at all. The Larry Jackson deal, the Lebron James deal,
the shit that's happening at Amazon. You dig the shit
this happening with the record labels, the Drake shit, the
streaming numbers. Like this business to be spoke about. But
they no longer speak about these things now. They just

(23:19):
spend a majority at that time shooting at each other.
And she's already just one female in the room. As
my fellow content brothers, I'm telling y'all that this is
starting to look weird. It's starting to look very and
also like y'all need to get back on your shit, like,
get back to the subjects, get back to the topics,
get back to being the service of the culture. There

(23:42):
was a congressman in Tennessee. They got jacked up and
threw out of the House of Representatives. He was on
Breakfast Club the next week. You know what I'm saying,
It's like, are you that for our culture? When that's
the reach you really have if you're Joe Budden. But
just like these rappers that's going on stream, That's what
I'm saying, where are the businessmen that were like like
j they were like fifty, they were like QC, they

(24:02):
were like master P. They were like, right, where are
these dudes at? These next croper niggas is just bullshitting.
You did enough character development, my nigga. Start being of
service to the culture. That's how you moved to the
next level the entertainment factor.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Y'all got it.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Whenever y'all needed, start being of service, pay attention to
some more.

Speaker 9 (24:23):
Shout out to him and the en for being professionals.
That it was long, but it was still a two
that you fell into it was still a market. I
didn't fall into anything. And then you try to dress
it up as yo, I'm being celebrated, So allow me
to be celebrated at the detriment of your boss.

Speaker 11 (24:38):
And how is it them?

Speaker 7 (24:39):
Because it was an.

Speaker 9 (24:40):
Insult your Melissa for you around a dick sucker, it
was an insult to him.

Speaker 12 (24:43):
He never says his name, He never says his name,
he never says his name, He doesn't say anybody's name.

Speaker 11 (24:52):
He doesn't say anybody's name.

Speaker 9 (24:53):
You are right, if that's the angle you're going with,
I have to respect that, and I yield.

Speaker 12 (24:57):
It's it's not it's the.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
And see I don't like that, right because clearly this
is a merchbis direction. This is not praise, this is
not this is bullshit. Drake is playing the game. That's clear.
But at the same time, the backdrop still remains that
Joe Budden and his team winning bought the UURL. So
two things can be true, and that's what we have

(25:23):
to realize too. Right, simultaneously things can be happening. Right
and they know this because they're arguing that Drake. Simultaneously
this Joe and bigged up mail. So with that being said,
both things are true. The same is true in this scenario.
What Drake is big enough male, but he's also doing

(25:43):
he's also doing the merch misdirection because it's not praise. Really,
it's not praise, it's picking and for mail to EC
of two's like, huh, it's the only thing. Now, come on, sweetie,
But I can only imagine it's fifteen on one. It's
a twenty v one in now on on, beloved, Pay attention.
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(27:07):
Sports made easy. Salute the Prize Picks for supporting the movement,
and let's get back to the episode. Like these rappers
that's going on stream, That's what I'm saying. Where are
the business men that were like Jay, they were like fifty,
they were like QC, they were like master P. They
were like right, where are these dudes at the next

(27:27):
croper niggas is just bullshitting. You did enough character development,
my niggas. Start being of service to the culture. That's
how you moved to the next level. The entertainment factor.
Y'all got it. Whenever y'all needed, start being of service,
pay attention to some more.

Speaker 9 (27:44):
Shout out to him and En for being professionals. That
it was long, but it was still a two that
you fell into it was still a market.

Speaker 11 (27:50):
I didn't fall into anything.

Speaker 9 (27:52):
And then you try to dress it up as Yo,
I'm being celebrated, So allow me to be celebrated at
the detriment of your boss.

Speaker 11 (27:58):
How is it the dutriment because it.

Speaker 9 (28:00):
Was an insult your Melissa for you around a dick sucker,
It was an insult to him.

Speaker 12 (28:04):
He never says his name, He never says his name,
He never says his name. He doesn't say anybody's name.
He doesn't anybody's name.

Speaker 7 (28:14):
You are right, that's the angle you're going with.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
I have to respect that, and I yield.

Speaker 11 (28:19):
It's not it's the only angle.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
And see I don't like that, right because clearly this
is a merchbis direction. This is not praise, this is
not this is bullshit. Drake is playing the game. That's clear.
But at the same time, the backdrop still remains that
Joe Budden and his team winning bought the U r L.
So two things can be true, and that's what we

(28:43):
have to realize too. Right, simultaneously things can be happening, right,
and they know this because they're arguing that Drake. Simultaneously
this Joe and big ed up male. So with that
being said, both things are true. The same is true
in this what Drake is big enup Mail, but he's
also doing he's also doing the merched misdirection because it's

(29:07):
not praise. Really, it's not praise, it's picking and for Mail,
the ACU two's like, huh, it's the only thing. Now,
come on, sweetie, But I can only imagine it's fifteen
on one. It's a twenty v one in now on, beloved,
pay attention. And for those of you that cannot see
the video, what Jess was said, because they're probably a clipping.

(29:27):
For those of you who cannot see the video, what
Jess was said was Mail, you fell into the trap
with Drake. He was using you to get in between Joe.
And she said, well, he never said his name. I
don't necessarily respect that because we knew he was speaking
about Joe. The fact of the matter is that they
were mad that Melissa Ford celebrated Drake beigging her up

(29:48):
from the get go. But that still doesn't make it
right to go and buy the URL and reroute it
to a business Melissa Ford has nothing to do with
in which makes I would imagine six or seve been
figures a month easily. This is unacceptable behavior. I mean,
this is literally this is groundbreaking. This is groundbreaking behavior

(30:09):
from Joe Budden as he has built his brand on
being creative first. This is encroachment on the highest level.
While I do understand that she's acting up to what
what happened, I don't respect that. What I will say, though,
she should have been able to capitalize off of it
herself if she leaned into it. I'm also gonna put

(30:31):
on the record that I believe her to be virtue
signaling something is not right at JBP. For mail Ford,
it's clear this is a very clear undertone in her
facial expressions, in her actions, and it even gets better.
Pay attention to this.

Speaker 8 (30:47):
Well, all right, that's nothing. If Drake had made.

Speaker 13 (30:51):
A song saying, Joe you a legend, I hate that
you sit next to a dick sucker and never said
your name, would you be comfortable with Joe celebrating that
song under the premise that he never said Melissa.

Speaker 11 (31:06):
Let me tell you something.

Speaker 12 (31:07):
Do you know what I've had to fucking listen to
for the last twenty fucking years.

Speaker 11 (31:11):
No, you on that, but you get there, because that's it.
That's literally it that's my answer. Okay, that's my answer.
That's my answer.

Speaker 8 (31:21):
Okay, Okay, I am going.

Speaker 12 (31:23):
Yes, I'm going to fuck Campy in a song that
celebrates the ship out of me. Absolutely when I've been
mocked for fu twenty fuck years.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Passed. So I hear, I'm so.

Speaker 14 (31:37):
I guess the on I will say to that, and
that's not You're not gonna double shade it. Michael Jackson's
over there. Oh my god, this is good. You can't
double a big double shaded.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
That's rue. Take it off. You can't do that, Joe,
go ahead of finished finish. No, I'm not in this.

Speaker 10 (32:04):
Don't look at it. Yeah, I like it, but arguing too.
So I don't want nothing to do with the one
B one because.

Speaker 13 (32:11):
This is you know, actually, I would pull back to
I don't want to interrupt your exchange.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
This ain't my fight. I yield. She got it.

Speaker 9 (32:19):
I think I think the point she made was valid,
and I think she's standing in what she's standing in.
And she said that she got a lot of disrespect
over the twenty years of her career, right and when
she's being praised, even if it's at the detriment and
anybody else she's going to take.

Speaker 11 (32:34):
It, but it's not at the detriment.

Speaker 12 (32:35):
And then furthermore, when I leaned into it, when I
made my own little video, I cut out the quote
unquote disrespectful part I did intentionally.

Speaker 7 (32:47):
Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 8 (32:48):
Do you know that he has a history of using
women to get at other men?

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Do y'all know? Y'all pressed me about this already.

Speaker 7 (32:53):
That's why I said.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (32:55):
I don't talking is not what I think.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
All right, So let me let me let you guys
in on some inside baseball at this point. Right, so,
Joe Budden is doing what's called consumer facing. What's happening
here is everyone in the room knows Joe is feeling
a way about this press release. And we'll get to
why here in a second. Number two, Everyone except Mail
and maybe even Mail knows Joe feels a way about

(33:22):
her embracing Drake as he steps in and tries to
divide the pie. Now, her doing this speaks to the public,
and Joe understands this. On top of that, industry insiders
understand this, and that's what Joe knows, and you're about
to see him go to another level. As it pertains to.
I caught what you're doing. We're gonna get into why

(33:43):
he's upset about the press release. Pay attention, and.

Speaker 12 (33:46):
I'll be completely honest, I had before I came up here,
and even while I was up here, I had no
fucked clue what their history was.

Speaker 11 (33:56):
I had no clue. I did not know.

Speaker 12 (33:59):
And so to answer that other question you just asked me,
do I know that he has a history of using
blah blah blah. No, because I have never paid that
close attention. I have never noticed. No, because no, you
know what I'm saying, I've never noticed. So this was
like to me, it just seems like some silly, superficial ship.

(34:20):
Really honestly, you know what I mean. Play with words, yeah,
and then to all to just follow it up with
the fact that it's a song praising me when I
have had a song mocking me and people say this
ship to me for the last twenty Yes, I bess.

Speaker 7 (34:40):
I was saying that.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
They can play around all they want.

Speaker 10 (34:43):
They learn them two being carried away to uh, what's
Jim Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
M DCA take you over to.

Speaker 11 (34:55):
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Just don't say no more.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Don't don't do nothing already got.

Speaker 8 (34:59):
Don't don't dat meth, don't play along with that.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
You're on one case already and your reactions what holy
pig feed man man? Help? Did I get my chops
into this? Smell for you? Anyway? That time? My bee,
my beef is who wrote this thing? You don't have
to answer that answer. I know she did.

Speaker 8 (35:25):
I think mail is articulately enough.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
That's not the question.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Write this definitely they didn't write it either.

Speaker 11 (35:34):
He doesn't.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
I don't want to answer.

Speaker 8 (35:36):
I'm going to answer.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Okay, tell that person to not write about me or
my company? Why because I asked?

Speaker 11 (35:49):
We're writing?

Speaker 12 (35:50):
Okay, hold on a second, here, wait a minute, because
we have bt S that is out on Patreon where
it's a whole discussion about that website and my image
on it. Furthermore, more information is found out by Ian
from Tyler that they bought the name and that it

(36:11):
gets rewroted to your Patreon.

Speaker 11 (36:13):
We have have to we discuss it up here. So
it's in there, it's out there, it's out there in
the ether.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
It's me, which it was never which was never in
question in question.

Speaker 12 (36:23):
Everybody else can have conversations about this. But I can't
just succinctly say in a show of support, this is
what my team members did for me as a as
a way of saying thank you publicly.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
You can if you tell me that that's you just said.

Speaker 11 (36:40):
It, it is me that said it. So you wrote this, yes,
never mind, does it say Melissa's statements.

Speaker 10 (36:53):
I know you didn't write this, but if you if
you rolling with that, then I'm chev. If you wrote it,
then yes, you could say that. If you wrote it,
then nip it in the butt and me bringing up
a publicist, then I'm wrong. There is no publishers.

Speaker 11 (37:04):
There literally, there is no publicist. There is no publicist.
I am a self funded fucking operation. Right now, you
think you think I can afford.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
P R with all for just when this camera cut off, I'm.

Speaker 11 (37:18):
Not even right now came off camera. Now, you don't
need to up.

Speaker 8 (37:27):
The statement After you wrote, Did you send it to
anybody to proof read, to check in? Did Ian make
any edits?

Speaker 15 (37:32):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (37:33):
I got you in fired.

Speaker 11 (37:35):
No, No, and actually he said the same thing that
you did about job might be uncomfortable with the mention
of him. Blah blah blah. So I rewrote we rewrote
the whole thing in my me and my EP.

Speaker 7 (37:50):
Okay, so this is state this.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
This was as follow up questions.

Speaker 8 (37:54):
So you ian and your EP crafted this statement or or.

Speaker 11 (37:58):
Then I went back in and I rewrote it completely differently.

Speaker 13 (38:02):
Got it based on the feedback of them I got.
I got just where he's the hero, understood what.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
It's good for you? Everybody?

Speaker 6 (38:13):
The original what.

Speaker 8 (38:16):
The original draft?

Speaker 11 (38:19):
It just mentions. Uh, it's just a mention of where
I work.

Speaker 8 (38:23):
Well, I guess I'm saying, what was the part that
needed to be taken out to make.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Him look like a hero?

Speaker 11 (38:29):
Nothing?

Speaker 8 (38:29):
It was it was adding understood. So you just anything bad?
You just add something good?

Speaker 13 (38:34):
Yes, because when I hear the state the reason I
asked us, when I hear the statement, it sounds honestly
and I mean it sincerely.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
It sounds like a big up to JVP. So that's
why I was yes, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (38:41):
But he can I have two questions yeah, yes.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Question one is, don't be stressed.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
You're doing good.

Speaker 7 (38:47):
I'm not trying to trust.

Speaker 16 (38:48):
When you move on to me, I ask please, another
kid comes into my short great call back, go ahead,
did he did?

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Did anybody did?

Speaker 15 (39:01):
End?

Speaker 7 (39:01):
I guess see it again after.

Speaker 11 (39:03):
The rewrite, not necessarily yes. I basically showed him what
the paragraph was.

Speaker 12 (39:09):
Going to say, and then he said, okay, fine, because.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
I asked that because if he told you, Joe, probably no.

Speaker 12 (39:16):
When I was making it clear, when I was making
it clear that it was it was it was a
response to all the noise, and that I wanted it
to be clear what had happened with the website with
the domain name and where it was redirected.

Speaker 11 (39:32):
That was where he was like, oh, okay.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Fine, Oh this is about to get interesting.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
You gout.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
So for those who are not paying attention, there's a
lot of virtue signaling happening in real time. And that
clip that we just watched, I'm not sure if you
guys are able to see it on YouTube. Melissa Ford
basically explaining that Joe Budden as he's acting like he
has no clue that his business partner was involved in craft.

(39:57):
In his press release that was released to the public,
and they started with Tasha Kate, this press release read,
and of course I'm paraphrasing, so this is not verbatim,
this is not word for word, but it was the
sentiment was basically that over the last couple of days,
Drake has celebrated me in a song called give Me
a Hug. While she appreciate that he bigs up, she

(40:19):
mentions that he is selling a hoodie with hug And
this is where it gets sticky, And this is where
all industry inside to say something's going on. And we're wondering,
is she pandering, is she virtue signaling. We're trying to
figure out what it is. Clearly, they don't make a
lot of money as co hosts over there. That's just
clear to everyone in the business. Maybe not to the fans,

(40:40):
but the people in the business. They don't make a
shit ton of money as being co host over there.
But she basically spoke to Joe Budden's team figured out
understand that this is going in the press release is
very intentional, and I know that Joe knows that his
company had a hand in this because they know that
they're people like me in the industry. They're saying, I

(41:02):
know they didn't. I know they didn't just going by
url that celebrated Melissa Ford and re routed it to
a show that she has nothing to do with that
is already successful. What level of greed is that what
level of greed is that. I couldn't imagine if Complex
did that the Joe Budden, how he would feel and

(41:23):
the narratives he would craft surrounding that. And because he
knows that, that's why you see him reacting in a
way he's reacted. So when she mentions in the press release, hey,
Joe Budden and his team bought the URL that Drake
put on the merch that had my face on it
and routed it to his paid subscription Patreon that I

(41:44):
have no ownership in. Then they made a fix it,
and then they re routed it to my YouTube page.
Thank you so much, Joe Budden. The press release did
not need to be put out. And how do I
know Ian knew about the final version, Well, because Ian
is the person who's going to service it to the blogs.

(42:05):
It was gonna be blasted out and according to Melissa Ford,
they started. Now let's unpack a few more things that
was mentioned him. Melissa Ford mentioned that she rewrote this
press release with the help from Joe Budden's business manager
in a way that will make him look like the hero.
That's one hundred percent her virtue signal. If Joe Budden

(42:26):
paid a pretty penny. Then I would imagine that these
scenarios wouldn't even be When someone like Drake simultaneously highlights
I'm sorry, when someone like Drake highlights Melissa Ford while
simultaneously dismissing Joe Budden, which just so happens to be
her boss, I think she understands that there's a clear

(42:47):
line in the sand. Now, the public just saw this
as a very light headed Now some of the miss now,
some of the casual fans, and this is what En
was hoping. But the consumer ad is way too smart.
The consumer is too small for the Shenanigans from the
nineties and the early two thousands. The consumers just way
too smart. So with this press release, Joe understands this.

(43:09):
Not sure about En. I think Ian understands it too.
That's why they didn't continue to blast it out, because
it doesn't make sense. You just draw attention to it.
While some of the public saw a lighthearted flattery and
the press release, insiders recognized that it was underhanded routing
of a URL. This is a calculated business maneuver that
few outsiders understood, and so when they talked about it

(43:30):
on Patreon, this is what I tell y'all. The devil
was in the details. Following that, Joe asked her to
stay home for about three four episodes. And so this
isn't a mind of misstep. And I want people to
know something. I want to be clear. This isn't that
Joe Budden creators come to love that was leading away.
He's a shell of himself. He's using every tactic he

(43:51):
learned along the way against the very people that's helping
him build his business. And I think part of it
is that, right, you know, how as a child you
mad about the being quote unquote strict, and then you
become the parent and you become quote unquote strict. It
seems to be he's now the parent in this scenario.
But I would ask Joe, I would ask Inn, I
would ask their entire business, like, what does it mean

(44:13):
when the very platform that's supposed to celebrate Melissa Forward's
image re routes her recognition to a show she doesn't own,
that's already paid, performing, productive, and successful. They reroute her
recognition to the Joe Budden universe. And so my question
is its supporter is a subversion because what could happen

(44:35):
is that say weamele it didn't make any money. Wamele
in no one signed up. I mean it was a
dumb move all well around, because it opens us up
to legal scrutiny. Y'all want to addit them for every
sign up that happened that the six months following that
their hoodie kept selling that song was number one.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
Like it.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
It just opens you up to a lot of nonsense.
Why would you reroute it because you're greedy? Simple? What's
interesting is that in this business people will claim the
more high ground and they'll be implementing the same tactics
that they openly criticize. Costs. Hell at the great company
of Spotify, ta down Complex and then run your company

(45:13):
worse than Spotify and worst than Complex. For the creator
picture that Joe Budden in complex situation, Complex already had
a relationship with Spotify. They just had a show that
was doing well. In the same way, he has a
host that's doing well. He don't want to up their pay,
you see what I'm saying. So he's guarding the same
goal posts that Complex was guarded. So for people who
don't know Joe Budden, when he was signed the Complex

(45:35):
with Academics, they had a show they ended up having
turnoire internal with the company because what because Spotify stepped
in and wanted to sponsor the show, or Nike man
stepped in and asked, hey, can they wear these shirts?
These are relationships that Complex has already had. What you
don't know is that the Complexes of the world, the
Ihearts of the world, the Spotify's of the world, the

(45:57):
Apples of the world, the Bets of the world, the
Netflix of the world. They have what's called sales teams,
and so when they do get a piece of content,
they can monetize it to the highest extent. And so
Complex had already had all of these relationships. They just
had one of their shows that was doing pretty well.
So they try to integrate the Spotify situation and Joe says, no,

(46:21):
I'm bringing Spotify. I brought Spotify. They only here because
of me, And he went off and in turn ruined
that relationship for a couple of years and made that
show disappear. The show ended up. Academics try to hold
it up, and then it ended up. Just imagine if
one of those companies were the rerouted recognition that was
meant for Joe Budden to Joe Rogan's show it was like, well,

(46:43):
it's still in the Spotify subdivision. Because that's the argument
that E and them have is like you work for us, Well, no,
I'm a subcontractor. That y'all barely pay, that y'all over talk,
and that y'all do a twenty V one Like I'm
saying if she en up feelings like she can feel
that waistline. And of course I know more than I'm saying,
because I'm a player, right, I don't got it right,

(47:04):
I ain't gonna say too much, but I'm a player.
I used to I used to enjoy some of those conversations,
like about the business. I have them still, right, and
I think it makes me more valuable because everyone is
just exhausted, They burnt out. They no longer have any
direction in that conversations, any passion in that conversations. And
Joe Budden, you know, as it pertains to the content world, right,

(47:27):
I'm not speaking about his personal life, but as it
pertains to his space in the culture. He was right
on the cuffs of trying to be revolutionary as a creator,
and it feels like he's been regulated. The money is regulated,
and he's morphed into the machine. You know Melissa fod
wanted to, if nothing else, capitalize off of it, like
you if you do know some of the tricks of

(47:49):
the trade. Right, let's say you do know that trick.
Let's say you do. No Drake put that out. We
know Mail isn't getting paid off the picture because he
hasn't reached out to Mail. So if listen for it
works for me and I own the Joe Budden podcast,
and I see Drake drop a piece of merch that
has her face on it, I'm the big dog. I'm
making plenty of money. I'm already knowing Drake ain't sent

(48:10):
her no money. I would have re routed it to
her YouTube to begin with. Then came on the Patreon
and clown Drake about damn, you ain't sending no bread
or nothing. You're doing good over there. You showing people
like I would have tried to play him like he
was broke or or losing his income was running out,
even though we know that ain't the case. That would
have been a better narrative than switching it on her.

(48:33):
It's always internal, and so then you have to question
is it supportive or is it exploredive? Because these things
can feel the same way long as you being paid.
Is it supportive? Is it the explore them? Because it
seemed like Joe Budden don't want none of these plans
to grow, And because y'all see it look like he

(48:54):
watered in the plants, you don't really understand what's happening.
So let me explain something to you. There's a way
the water plants in a way where you damage the
plant to make sure it don't grow. If you put
hot water. If you try to water the plants with
hot water, you can damage the plants. And if you
view on me from afar, if you had limited understanding

(49:15):
even to that concept, all you see is me doing
what you consider is feeding the sore. You don't know
that I'm doing that because I know your expectations is
to see me walk over there and feed the plant.
But I'm really going over there with hot water to
make sure they don't grow past where I need them
to be, to make sure I pluck them. I think
another point and then we'll move on. Another point about

(49:38):
this is Joe also asks that no one mentioned his
name outside of the show, So imagine working on the show,
not being able to make a lot of money at
the show. If I get any recognition, they'll rerouted to
the Joe Buden subdivision. So everything that I am outside
of the show, they want to contribute to the show.

(49:58):
But then when I leave the show, leverage the show
for anything. Why is that the case where usually that's
the case when no one is allowed to have individual success,
but the CEO, I mean, it's easy for me to
say because I don't have a co host, but it
feels like that it ain't. It's only enough for one

(50:19):
sheriff in time. And so when that's the case and
you have a show that only one man, feels as
though I can shine off this show. But y'all hold
it down, y'all'll Bill looked quiet. But you got to
be a master manipulator to be able to run that
show called the Joe Button Podcast. Have people happy to
sit there with no equity being paid. Of course, a

(50:41):
lot of people trade money for service, So I get that,
that's fine. You got to be a master manipulator to
be able to build this show off of collaboration, but
at the same time make it where you are the
only one that can experience individual will success. That's a man,
that's a mean game plan. So what did we learn?

(51:01):
This fallout forces fundamental friction in the founding. So while
people felt the part of a fraternity with Melissa for it,
maybe it was all a facad. Gotta be careful when
you have outsiders trying to reach into the like I
don't like that either, I tell my woman. Compliments are calculator.
Don't never get that confused. Compliments are calculated, baby, Like

(51:22):
you can pull up at the store in the neighborod
big money.

Speaker 15 (51:25):
What you doing?

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Boy, you've been kidded. I just watched this shit. Right,
you got fired on? Let me get fired on. Boy,
you're looking good out here. You come and ask for
something right that compliment. So, in closing on the Joe
Budden and Melissa for scenario, Drake shot him Melissa Ford
out in a song while simultaneously dismissing and speaking to

(51:46):
him with the derogatory language, basically saying, Yo, Melissa for
you a legend. I hate to see you with that
dick sucker, calling Joe Budden, of course, the dick sucker.
He then proceeds to drop a piece of merch. That
merch has a URL on that it's a ghost you
r L Joe Budden and his team figures out it's
a ghost you are l They reroute the recognition meant

(52:07):
for Melissa Ford into the Joe Budden universe behind a
paywall for a show that already is mega successful, and
then leave Melissa Ford on the outside wondering what it made,
what it called, what happened? They did end up rerouting
it to Melissa Ford's YouTube. I still spoke to the
day that I think that this was an overreach. It

(52:28):
was encroachment, and Joe Budden cannot stand on the more
high ground of creator land. He's been co opted. It's
an inconsistent message to the creators. You know, I'm I'm
playing King Mega still right. I haven't morphed into the
machine just yet, and so these corporate tactics still do
rub me the wrong way. He wants her to ruin

(52:49):
our relationships. Melissa Ford wants to have a career outside
of the Joe butdon podcast when she leaves the Joe
Buden podcast, and also the people that works for him
understands he's now morphed into the machine. When you go
from a path final to a gate keeper, used to
be a key maker, then you're a kingmaker. You know,
he wants Melissa Ford to ruin her relationships, but she
wants a career. When he gets in his feelings and

(53:12):
says he don't want to do the Joe Buddon Podcast
no more, she don't want to ruin a relationship. She understands,
hopefully that the compliment was a conduit to a conversation
that would allow for division inside of the Joe Button Podcast.
But while some people seeing her leaning into the Drake
situation as her embracing her independence, I kind of seen
it as virtue signaling. I think every industry inside of

(53:34):
sees that she's virtue signaling. At this point, something is
off the hinges over the the Joe Button Podcast.

Speaker 17 (53:42):
Man.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
But you know, I think again, he's positioned himself for
a long time to be on the side of the creator,
and it's not a good feeling. It hurts us to
see go from raging against the machine to helping the
machine rage. If I'm being honest, Joe wanted her to
handle that a certain way. She didn't handle it that way.
So now he's gonna handle every situation moving forward with

(54:05):
her even worse than he's been handling it before. As
you see, I guess there's some issue with her in
another podcast to I guess he's fueling that. But Melissa
can't say nothing because you lean into the Drake thing.
So when I repost the girl who is dissing you,
or I say she's fire, or I give her some shine,

(54:26):
not bleep her name, say her name on the show,
you really can't say anything because that's what you did
with the Drake situation. So I truly believe that's how
he feels, and I think he's standing on that. Before
we get out of here today, I know we just
talked about the Joe Butten thing. Before we get out
of here today, I do want to look at one
more video because I'm gonna check out on this brick baby,

(54:47):
big you whack one hundred loose cannon, all of that
sixty shit on the West Coast. I'm gonna check out
of that, and I'm gonna get back to like business
stuff and other topics right within the show. So I
just want to be clear with y'all about it, unless
some recent development is just pertinent information that needs our commentary,
you know, as far as this, I'm really gonna check

(55:08):
out of it. It's not something that I want to
spend a lot of more time on it. I feel
as though if you listen to my coverage on it
over up until this point, you should be able to
get enough good game information and instruction and you should
leave that inform thats to what they're facing, how it happened,
and what's going on. But before we leave, I do
want to take a look at this video that we

(55:29):
did see a clip of it early in the show.
This is when Brick Baby and It's Got Louise Cannon
finally met up face to face. Louce Cannon was just
running with Whack one hundred. Rope brought them together in
this moment. One hundred. He has a crew called Exposes.
These Exposed guys were online running some content about an
unsolved murder involving allegedly they claim Big U. Turns out

(55:51):
that murder is in the paperwork. They said that they
spoke to the family. The family let them know whole
bunch of details that was involved with that murder case, right,
and so they brought it to the internet. These are
the tactics. I'm telling you that it's digital war that
you in and so when they bring it to the internet,
ruins Wax and Loose Cannon's relationship. Loose Cannon seems to

(56:12):
not be able to operate a loan, so he wants
to hook with someone, and so him and brick Baby
ended up meeting up. And so what we're about to
watch this? Brick Baby as he and Adam twenty two said,
there with Loose Cannon on the phone, and they just
hollering about some gangster street bulldshit. Told that they shouldn't
even be speaking about. Now. The environment that is created
here is interesting. Adam twenty two is running a scenario.

(56:35):
What the closer you get to him, maybe the more
opportunity you get, or maybe the more money you make.
I'm not sure, but there seems to be an incentive
in these gang bangers eyesight when they look at Adam,
so they want to like peacock against each other. He's
not like that. I'm like that, Oh you think he's
like that. I'm like that, Like it's a weird thing

(56:56):
that they're doing. I'm like, what are they doing? The
only person need know you like that? It's the people
that violate this shit. You violate this shit, you gonna
find out quickly who liked that. But if you don't
never violate this shit, man, Let it stay in question.
So Brick trying to reign supreme at no Jumper. You
gotta remember they were already pivoting for Extra against Brick.

(57:18):
So the scenario is your Brick, your profile is lowering
because four Extra is here. His shit is skyrocketing, and
Brick gotta tell him, no, I crashed out in it
with a million views. Nigga, the crash out went viral.
This went viral. We did the booker. Booker went viral.
He started to lean in the bullshit just to try
to get the numbers. He even put the crash shout

(57:39):
as part of his accolades when he knew his decision
making had collapsed in that moment. That's the same crash
out that's in his federal indictment. But yet he would
wear it as a badge of honor because Adam twenty
two will look at it and say, oh, yeah, you
did go viral three times this year. That ain't an

(57:59):
even swamp. So what we're about to look at is
one of the altercations. Because if we're being clear in
the statement of facts on the federal bond packaged that
the federal government placed up. Both scenarios where they break
baby saying something on the camera was at no Jumping,
And it was both times where Adam was on camera

(58:20):
and loose Cannon was involved. So sometimes you're in a
proxy one. You don't understand that. So I want us
to look at this and counter pay attention to this.
You're a bit made. Oh you get what I'm saying?
Like why bit makes all the calls? Do you hear
the podcast? She was at academic? How do you out
the building?

Speaker 18 (58:38):
Just imagine have to send across from him every Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
You don't think Loose is a good podcast. Look you
see how it even starts, and we're going to get
into it. I don't mean to stop it so quickly,
but you see how it even starts. Loose is a
good podcast. Why we even talking about this? We're on
the show. We got topics to talk about this shit
going on in the world. You don't think Loose a
good podcast? Oh man? And now I gotta Disloose because Nah,
I'm the big crip on campus. Nigga, ain't no loose Cannon.

(59:05):
Don't invite another op up here. You already got whack
up here. I got a ducky dodge around him. You
had to d w nigg I got into it with
I got into it with foe estra yo, what you
own up here? So he's trying to stop before it
even start. Now he's trying to be proactive instead of reactive.
So he finds himself in a scenario to tell no
jumper hey. And this is at the beginning of the conversation.

(59:28):
Don't even consider which Adam was never considering this. Let
me be clear with y'all. This is just a game,
the same game you see Joe play, the same game.
You see a lot of these content guys play.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Right.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
What happens is they need content, They need narrative storyline.
It has to be entertaining. That's just how it is.
So Adam is in that positioning like you don't think
I should have hire louse cannon yo, While I'm at
the tip top beef and this nigga just beat somebody
up and we probably see each other and somethmer happen.
You gonna play that game too, pay attention, suck.

Speaker 6 (01:00:01):
Lose like, but.

Speaker 7 (01:00:04):
People, I want to see people die. I want to
see bodies.

Speaker 18 (01:00:07):
You ain't never killed ships, you from somewhere. Man, let's
be real you with you. Did I grow up in
a set? You didn't do that of that? And you
are living off of your bitch. He gets it the
allowance from his bitch. You not even breaking on that bit,
Like dude, you can never tell me nothing. You're you're

(01:00:27):
a bit bide and you're a bit maide. You get
what I'm saying? Like what bitch makes all the calls?
Do you hear the podcast? She was an academic selling them. Now,
that's not what it like, Shut the funk up? You
never heard of that episode?

Speaker 7 (01:00:42):
Is that a good one? I'm just saying the clip.

Speaker 19 (01:00:44):
And she was.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
She was in that like no, it was there, like, man,
I'm on the podcast.

Speaker 17 (01:00:50):
Shut the I'm not gonna lie to you made and
bid is insane.

Speaker 7 (01:01:00):
He turned into a bitch, is may.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Yo.

Speaker 7 (01:01:09):
But I got to say though that.

Speaker 20 (01:01:11):
So I was supposed to interview Loose on Tuesday, like
they was supposed to be like bringing back up like
significantly before this, so that we would have time to
clear the premises and make sure there was not any
overlap between the Brickman and.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
The Loose guy.

Speaker 21 (01:01:25):
But they're not like us, Okay, But he showed up
like thirty deep. To be totally fair, no sixties. I
don't know where these guys came from. I don't know
who most of them were. But that was a little
bit of a thing. There's a lot of people who
got new bodyguard. It made a little bit of a scene.
So I had to kind of shut it down on
Tuesday and we had to run it back the next day.
We did get it done, so I was happy about that.
But yeah, definitely he tried. He tried to pull him.

Speaker 18 (01:01:47):
Up because I know he's going to be a rotator.
Ask him who was involved with his poot on? Can
he give us any names from his poot on? Can
he give us what block he got put up? Let's
get to the bottom of it. Yes, yes, we gotta
find out who?

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
What year was this? See? This is the ego, This
is Brick's ego. Talking to him, Yes, call him? Who
put you on? That ain't something me you and Adam
got to talk about. But I need Adam to hear
it because I'm trying to undermine this nigga. Don't bring
this nigga around, man, we got real, it's real, it's
really up with dude. Don't bring this dude around. That's

(01:02:28):
what he's trying to fight for his position with the
owner of the platform. It seems like that there's a
revolving door with all of these shows in their co
host and there's a constant proving grounds happening. There's a
constant proving grounds happening, and in my opinion, that's what
we're looking at. Pay attention, erring minds.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
This is crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:02:49):
I can't believe I'm doing this.

Speaker 18 (01:02:52):
I've never seen he at Hyde Park at a beating.
I never seen you at fifty fourth Street, Horris.

Speaker 21 (01:02:58):
Hey, Luce Cannon, I'm here live on the No Drummer
Show with brick Baby in Lush.

Speaker 7 (01:03:03):
Brig Baby is requesting some information regarding your put on.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
First thing he posed to say it is tell bring
me me in the hood or call my phone. Why
do we got Adam in the middle of this, and
why do Adam want to be in the middle of this?
And why is you on a camera on a phone
like this? Yo, you got some responsibility in this, and
I wouldn't be surprised if someone held you accountable.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
I know ain't nobody telling you, but I'm gonna be
the one to tell you if you think it's sweet,
it ain't sweet. If you think that you get to
just get away, you do not just get to get away.
I want to be clear with that. Don't thank them
dudes just laying around feeling a certain kind of way.
Bro Adam, you don't get away with this kind of behavior.
Somebody got somewhere feeling some kind of way about the

(01:03:49):
role you played in this.

Speaker 7 (01:03:51):
Hey, can you give us like at least two names
from you or put on in what blocks?

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
Also brick baby gotta pay the pied piper, louse Canny
gotta pay the pied piper. Them nigga, now, stupid them.
Nigga went out stupid my nigga.

Speaker 18 (01:04:04):
They went out saying, I ain't never seen you at
no meeting at Hyde Park, Horseman or at fifty fourth.

Speaker 15 (01:04:11):
When did you get put on? When did you get
put on? I got put on in two thousand and two.
I got put out of two thousand and two. Nigga
on I lean street that June house, nigg You know
what's up, nigga?

Speaker 7 (01:04:22):
Yeah, dead hommy. So when you get put.

Speaker 18 (01:04:24):
On, man, because niggill Billy was a part of my
put on. Killer Dave was a part of my put
on nigga, Oh the Dead Homies. My first name was
baby wild Bill nigg on the Dead Homies, an eusy
turn East Coast.

Speaker 7 (01:04:37):
That was the third that got squabbled. Who did you squabble?

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Gang?

Speaker 7 (01:04:41):
I squabbled everybody Boo.

Speaker 15 (01:04:43):
You didn't squabble. Everybody did as nigga out. You would
have went home fucked up. You didn't get put on.
Bit Hey up, how you come up here with thirty niggas?
None of them was from sixties.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Show?

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
Again, this is just this is unprecedented. This is real
life situations going on. You got two white me. Look
at the white boys though I ain't even stunning bricking
loose them niggas fast out they dawn. I'm looking at
the white boys smoking cigarettes, and one of them with
Adam just had a hair tread playing. They got these
two nigga triggering them means.

Speaker 6 (01:05:20):
I got more shots than that in my car. You
had thirty nigga.

Speaker 15 (01:05:23):
You were still twenty short nigga left all right? Rolland
you talking about nigga nigga, Come on, cut, don't get.

Speaker 7 (01:05:30):
Your ship punkerheaded bitch, shut up a whole. When did
you get put on?

Speaker 6 (01:05:35):
Were just asking the question.

Speaker 15 (01:05:37):
What dang what black you whole ass nigga shut you
a big you put on nigga set up. Nig you
was paying the big y shut up bitch. Yeah, you
was paying.

Speaker 6 (01:05:47):
That's why you mannigg dead.

Speaker 15 (01:05:49):
I'm paying to come around Nigga on the hood, just
like you got Conrad niggas a partner when he got out, bitch, and.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
He don't fuck with you, just like.

Speaker 7 (01:05:57):
You're still playing byer HER's backs.

Speaker 15 (01:05:59):
Nigga on it dad hummyes heint gonna drop that check
off to my little hummy. Nigga hood get bad for you,
shit get bad for you, Gonna drop that check OFFA
if we do.

Speaker 7 (01:06:10):
Something to you, nigga bring you out hood. Could bet
we do something to you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
Now, we have to be realistic. All of this conversation
is in the indictment. But I do think there's some
truth into this because Louce Kenny used to hang with
Big You and all of a sudden just got mad
out of nowhere and stopped fucking with him. Seems like
Brick has some information that maybe the rest of the
world don't have. So he said, that's why you mad.
You used to pay that Nigga, because why is he mad? Like,

(01:06:37):
why did he just quit fucking with Big U or
just start running with Whack one hundred and get on
all these platforms and start just saying this crazy ass
shit about Big U. You see what I'm saying. But
this conversation they haven't gotta be one of the dumbest
conversations in podcast history. This might go down as one
of the dumbest conversations in podcast history. Matter of fact,

(01:06:57):
somebody need to make a montage a company relation nick
incriminating themselves so I can post it every day for
two years straight.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Yeah, I bet you ain't.

Speaker 7 (01:07:08):
Hey, listen, cause what hood are you from?

Speaker 6 (01:07:11):
You ain't you ain't You ain't from sixty third?

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
You ain't from right part?

Speaker 7 (01:07:14):
You ain't from seventy first? Big what street you from?

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
You ain't from? Or ten?

Speaker 6 (01:07:19):
What street do you mad?

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
You sell?

Speaker 8 (01:07:23):
Put your put on?

Speaker 7 (01:07:23):
Who puts you on?

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
All right?

Speaker 7 (01:07:26):
Thank you loose? We love you, sweetheart?

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
Hey, thanks for that too.

Speaker 15 (01:07:30):
Sixty two only the dad armies you're looking for that
two sixty We finna eat up again dad ms nigh.

Speaker 7 (01:07:35):
But because that's what you do, you pay.

Speaker 15 (01:07:38):
You're not a player, You're a payer, nigga, you take
the l out of player and that you get loose coaching, Dad, Armies.

Speaker 7 (01:07:46):
Why your cannon loose?

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Hood?

Speaker 7 (01:07:49):
Why your cannon loose though?

Speaker 6 (01:07:51):
Why you want to have a loose cannon? Listen? Why
you want to have a loose cannon? May shut your
buster broken? As up on hood? You live up if
you're a bitch, Hey, you live off the bitch. Nigga
on the hood.

Speaker 15 (01:08:05):
Joe bit at the bag, niggad let me go bank
account for bank account right now.

Speaker 6 (01:08:09):
I'm a loge in the navy Federal Nigga on center.

Speaker 15 (01:08:12):
Screen shot from today though, Dad home, he set the
screen shot for today.

Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
It's not, it's not.

Speaker 15 (01:08:18):
That's what I'm saying. Gang, Come on, hey, little SCOOCHI
what day you get put on?

Speaker 7 (01:08:24):
Ganger? When did you get put on?

Speaker 11 (01:08:27):
Nigga?

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
When did you get put on?

Speaker 15 (01:08:30):
Two thousand and two on Ileen Avenue, Nigga? And I
still was banging the set before that. I was baby
yes down before that Nigga tenth Avenue, Nigga on six
So I started gutter heels, Nigga talk Nigga. I started
gutter heels Nigga. Was that slipt rock spot with seven
eleven storty Nigga with gutter kids started, Nigga Dead Homies,

(01:08:50):
Nigga Free Avenue Blue Nigga and.

Speaker 7 (01:08:52):
His blasted Nigga. Come on, bro, he Nigga, I got
more murders than you got.

Speaker 15 (01:08:56):
Squabbles, bitch in the hood, Nigga's bigga. Yeahgigga got more
skulls than you got squabbles.

Speaker 9 (01:09:04):
In the set.

Speaker 15 (01:09:05):
Ship on the hood, Nigga, befo, Hey, you I got
more calls than you got squabbles. That's all my fault babies, Nigga. Listen, listen,
that's all my fault babies. Nigga, that's all my fault babies.
You ain't never got put on my hood.

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
Trip on the hood. You paid Joe way on like
love to it.

Speaker 7 (01:09:22):
That's why you host.

Speaker 15 (01:09:23):
Crying together nigga. Nigga, Nigga about getting extorted on the hood.
Shut up, come around.

Speaker 11 (01:09:31):
Against this niggah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Listen to this ship crying about being extorted. He's saying,
that's why Big you don't fuck with Brick because he
was letting them nigga trick him. He would letting himself
get emotionally charged up on their mother Internet and he
was up there talking like this right here. That's why
you ain't love joy Man. You were being extorted. Nigga,
gotta pay the big homie. You know what I'm saying.

(01:09:53):
He was just in a complete trick bag because they
done raised baby and me feel like they're going against him.
The Adam throwing it up and all these squall throwing
it up like it's legit. He probably saying, brother, shit
ain't hitting no nothing. And now look they got him
in the middle of it and wide over it in
the trick bag, wide open in the trick bag. Ship
prothetic homes exposal.

Speaker 15 (01:10:16):
Man on the Dadmies, and I'm still here, nigga on
the hood, and I'm still here.

Speaker 6 (01:10:22):
You want to pay for an interview? I mean sixty
thousand from a hole like you?

Speaker 15 (01:10:27):
O hood, Nigga, you want to pay only dades you
been paying pay for an interview?

Speaker 6 (01:10:32):
Nigga, he need you.

Speaker 15 (01:10:34):
I don't need nothing in this world but six others
quite think like you out here.

Speaker 7 (01:10:40):
I keep blakes for.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Niggas like you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
You're too sweet to take ship.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
From nig like you.

Speaker 6 (01:10:44):
I don't need nothing but this blake.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
I'm gonna be up nigga, we side.

Speaker 7 (01:10:48):
You can't do nothing. And hey, man, at this point,
you know I bro you was a hole.

Speaker 15 (01:10:55):
Bro.

Speaker 19 (01:10:55):
Man, listen cause I told you to come on. I
leag for two weeks tra you have never came back there.
You know that back hood is too wicked.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
You know that backed You see them niggas just high
five in the middle of these two black men going
through a real talking about killing each other. These two
black dudes talking about killing each other. Look what the
white boys do on y'all stupid ass nigga. Then what
I be saying, y'all nigga be dumnb is stupid. That
why I'm gonna make all the money. You gonna be
locked up, dead and skinned.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
Check this here out, man, I.

Speaker 7 (01:11:29):
Told you to come on.

Speaker 19 (01:11:30):
I lean for two weeks straight. You have never came
back there. You know that back hood is too wicked.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
This picture is said to me, Rayal Louce Cannon is
hollering at the top of his lung brick Babies, clearly
frustrating and mad. Upset both these two black dudes upset
and the two white boys racking in the money. Lush
is an employee, but Adam racking in the money and
god damn it just hit a fist bump while you
all get bout killing them man and fighting for your life.

(01:11:58):
If you see this nigga and they fish bumping on
y'all slow ass me.

Speaker 7 (01:12:03):
You know the back too wicked?

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
Call you man, you know them?

Speaker 7 (01:12:06):
Here's to Wiggy.

Speaker 6 (01:12:09):
Hey, because there's no nigga ever knocked me out in
my life. That's on West Side, Rolling sixty Crip game man.
D W frame, what.

Speaker 10 (01:12:19):
Frame?

Speaker 6 (01:12:19):
What nigga? You ain't knocked me out? DW Frame? What Hey?

Speaker 19 (01:12:25):
On the dad?

Speaker 6 (01:12:26):
How is your best friends with a nigga?

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
This the set?

Speaker 7 (01:12:30):
This is sect twice the nigga you is, homie?

Speaker 6 (01:12:33):
You a bitch?

Speaker 7 (01:12:33):
Cause who you get put on body?

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
That's the only man that we called for.

Speaker 7 (01:12:39):
Who you getting put on body?

Speaker 6 (01:12:41):
I didn't even want to be with you because only dad,
You're nothing like me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
I don't see.

Speaker 15 (01:12:46):
So I'm really that bro I'm really that nigga, Really
that niggahood.

Speaker 7 (01:12:51):
Every time I got.

Speaker 6 (01:12:52):
Shot, I was in the hood club.

Speaker 15 (01:12:53):
You have not been outside brood.

Speaker 6 (01:12:57):
Yeah, check my resume and tell him I got a
rest said I went to.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Seventy seventh Street.

Speaker 15 (01:13:01):
Nigga you've never been there, bro, you got i e cases.
What are we talking about when that you ever got
activated in l A County jail. Yeah, mama isabit at
this point. Shut up because your daddy's a snitch. Your
mama's a bit sick, so yo, daddy's a snitchnig.

Speaker 8 (01:13:21):
Shut up.

Speaker 7 (01:13:22):
Your daddy's a snitch. That's why you was up here, snitchy. Yeah, yeah,
all right, prove it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Prove it. Yeah, prove it.

Speaker 15 (01:13:30):
My mama is a millionaire. Niggad homies still rich off
cocaine in the hood. You niggas talk about you see
by fabigg.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
Crazy nigga aint crazy ship.

Speaker 7 (01:13:45):
Bro, you still didn't you talk? I got what ever
about here today? Good talking all.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
Appreciate you, appreciate your man laughing, laughing. This is not
a joke, and this is definitely not funny.

Speaker 17 (01:13:59):
Look, yeah, nigga, you're not from the Okay, unbiasedly, I'm
gonna keep it a stack like unbiasedly, break one that
exchanged by a significant margin, like no, like I have
no horse in this race.

Speaker 7 (01:14:13):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
Break one is exchanged by a significant margin. Is what
this white boy just said. When two black men were
sitting there hollering about when I catch you, I'm gonna
kill you. Exposing street secrets, shit that's supposed to be
discussed offline in each other face. All my parts to
tell you, I hit them. Hey, I need to get

(01:14:36):
in your face. Brother, I'm finna pull up. We're gonna
talk over the over the internet in front of these
two dudes. So these is the judges say, Homie, you
ain't qualified to be a judge. A big boy, white boy,
you ain't qualified to be a judge, homie, And I
like some of your takes, but you ain't qualified to
be a judge. I'm the judge. They both lost. Fuck

(01:14:58):
you mean brick baby want to buy a significant margin
And he done spilled all this hood secrets, told that
his mama rich off cocaine. Nigga told big you was
extorting on here, and he done one. Now he been tricked.
Niggay both lost. I keep telling you, Nick, you gotta
wash the dice. All this shit is a gamble, boy,
You better wash the dice. The dice is what's helping

(01:15:20):
you make the money.

Speaker 7 (01:15:21):
Wash the dice.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
That's who you sign to, who you partnered with, who
you in business with, the accountant, the lawyer, wash the dice. Yeah,
we all want to make some money. Man, we gotta
pay attention, though, brother, gotta pay attention. Head on the swivel,
and you won't find yourself in a situation when now
after he hangs up the phone and you've been arguing
with a nigg has hood's secrets and y'all got four

(01:15:44):
five thousand people watching live. Shit probably got three four
hundred thousand views. Now to what you tell him, you
got scores most goals, and he got bodies who put
you on my mama rich off cocaine. You've been completely tricked.
I might would have smacked one of them dudes. I
might would have smacked this lush one when he said
I won. I probably would have got him and beat
the shit out of him, just because y'all hold them

(01:16:05):
tricked me. Y'all got me and how to sit in
the show. Cut this out, take that out. But it's
gone now it's live, so it wouldn't have done no good.
The ship is live. You got put in the trick
bag and you lost. Both of them lost. So don't
listen to these white boys. And this is what fuels it.
This is the reward I speak about the incentive. I
speak about the idea that they would get out of
this calling. The immediate response from the co workers and

(01:16:28):
the people from this platform is yo, you won that one.
Both of them niggas.

Speaker 7 (01:16:33):
Hood out of Boogie Dell mo times and he didn't
fucked my hood. Nick could have stopped playing with.

Speaker 17 (01:16:37):
Me, boy, he did, like Break asked a simple question
to which there was no formative response, no response to that.

Speaker 7 (01:16:47):
So like unbiasedly break w I gotta admit, like in
that exchange, we're not even the same type of person.
That's what I'm trying to tell you.

Speaker 22 (01:16:57):
That was crazy, but content you want to content loose.
You're not nothing like me. You couldn't sit here on Tuesday.
What did you mean when you said that I got
more skulls than you got squabbles?

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
He say, you see, that's even more incriminate. Now watch this,
you know what.

Speaker 15 (01:17:16):
Listen out in Buggie down more times than he fought
in my hood.

Speaker 7 (01:17:21):
What are we talking about? He's saying in g g A,
he's saying, let the people figure it out on the hood.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Nigga.

Speaker 7 (01:17:30):
He said what I said?

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
Nigga?

Speaker 7 (01:17:32):
Yeah, there you say what I said? This demonic energy
in this room.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
I want to be.

Speaker 7 (01:17:39):
That was the that that that's the breaking point right there.

Speaker 6 (01:17:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
I'm not very sad, man. This is some sad ship
that need opportunity that bad and they that uneducated to
be able to be tricked into doing these things. Man,
it's a lot of money being made, but it just
ain't worth it. It ain't worth it in these scenarios, man.
So again, I thank you guys for watching. I'll catch
y'all on the next episode.

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