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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Looking at theug case right.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
This is Atlanta rapper Jeffrey Lamar Williams, or as most
know him as Young Thug, performing on NBC's Saturday Night
Live back in twenty twenty one. In the same year,
his album Punk would end up on Complex and Rolling
Stones's Best Album of the Year lists. But in twenty
twenty two, police raided Williams's home, arresting him, setting off
(00:24):
a fifty six count reco case against Young Thug, prominent
rapper Gunna, and twenty six other members of their music
collective hys L.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
They still gonna walk some dying there to their courthouse
and on their stad because.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
They know the shame they're going with that. Even the
DA know the.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Shame that you got your partner that's right here, that
changed their lives. You Mick in particular, all us on
our side, we just watching from now side.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
But it's a couple of it's in particular love that
was in the bently together that dish gonna broke up
the family.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
See y'all looking at a lawyer. These dudes creating narratives.
These dudes debunk narratives. That's why I have a high
level of respect for lawyers.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That was not.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
With fog Major Jeffrey thug and mean sa Jeffrey something
very personal. It was his path.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
He could ever make it.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
As a musical artist.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And help the family, himself and his many others out
of this endless cycle.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Of hopeuses it would be truly humble under God. That's
what thund is.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
So when you're dealing with Brian Steele, you know, if
he got time to prepares like be a Belichick, he
may figure out I can flatten the balls.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And it ain't nothing in the hand. But to say
that that's illegal.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I want you to know if you're operating in the streets,
you're looking for a black cat in a dog room.
It's unfortunate because some of y'all was born in that
dog room and told to look for that cat. That's
the only way out this room. Look for that cat.
You know, that cat. That's the only way some must
done got out of here.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
So some of y'all was told that instead of looking
for the light switch.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
You know what made me give up on the so
called street life, because these niggas are let the fizz
in the DA and the state sack the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You in position, you tell them niggas, hold the line.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
All you got to do is stay strong, Just stay strong,
hold the line. But somebody gonna fold. Every time they
round all them niggas up, put them in and padded wagon.
And that's when all their gang gang shit go out
the window. That's when niggas go to thinking about they
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slf self survive or self sufficient. Niggas going to self
serving mode. And all you got to do is hold
the line. And sometimes somebody gotta go, Sometimes a few
people gotta go. A loss got to be two, but
they'll bring the whole ship down. And that's what doesn't change.
(04:04):
Then people figure out number one. Make the jail sell
hard to deal with, Put some information in that, put
some study in. Make these walls brick, make this metal,
make this, feed them this, make sure this is in
the drink, make sure this is right, keeping agenda in place.
(04:24):
It's fucked up because they'll let them sack the quarterback. Now,
the quarterback analogy is interesting right here, because what I'm
insinuating is that when the team moves, everybody moves.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
When we get y'all say we get a first down,
the entire team the sticks move. Nigga even the sideline move.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You see that.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You see that, nigga, even the sideline move when the
quarterback make the right decision and we get the right playoff,
get some yards, the whole team get.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
A chance to move.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And so it's beneficial to be a part of something
at that moment. But when it's detrimental to be a
part of that same thing, do you standing in that
same situation? You see that because benefit turns the detriment,
And do you hold steady? Do you hold that line?
That's all a nigga asks a nigga. That's why I
be by myself. It's like a nigga come up out
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the woods. You see a wolf. You ever seen a
wolf done left the pack? You see him come about
the wood by itself. He knows something, he knows something,
or even I can say it's like a lion that
just come you dig.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
And I'm speaking on this because I'm looking at.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Thug case right His trial is in process right now,
and we got a lot of I'm gonna talk about today, right,
We back in that bag. I'm saying, we backing that bag.
You hit me, you hit me, We back in that bag.
(06:14):
I was looking at thug trial interesting situation because as
I see Thug sitting there with his lawyer, the indictments
started in a very interesting place, right and for those
who are underwere you know, Thug was indicted on rico
charges as well as people on why sal or label.
(06:34):
This was in May of twenty and twenty two. I
believe it was twenty seven people that was indicted on charges.
I think it's down to seven, six, five maybe going
to trial. And so the interest that's presented because you
will catch the DA holding the line. They'll all for
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each other, they'll make it look a certain way, all
in the name of getting the goal accomplished. And so
just watching the Thug trial is interesting. There's a lot
of objections. There's a lot of things being said done
in trial. I think that will be examined, if not
in the near future, in the process that the trial
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doesn't go in the way in thugs favor. I think
some of this stuff will be revisited as it pertains
to how the state has handled, some of the evidence,
handled some of the proceedings that's been motions filed, as
it pertains to their conduct and what I would say
doesn't fall short of lying by our omission. Right, these
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are games being played in court that's at a very
high level.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
It's the sneak attack, because.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
When you're dealing with a guy like Brian Steele, you're
dealing with a marksman. You're dealing with a specialist. See
y'all looking at a lawyer. These dudes creating narratives. These
dudes debunk narratives. That's why I have a high level
of respect for lawyers. You see met people that go
in there in that environment and fight in the within
(08:14):
those lines where everything gotta lead to something and make
this kind of it's just all kind of game being played.
So when you're dealing with Brian Steele, you know, if
he got time to prepare shit like Bill Belichick, he
may figure out I can flatten the balls and it
ain't nothing in the hand.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
But to say that that's.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Illegal moving forward up, we didn't know that and we
didn't tell nobody to do that. That happened to happen
by right, I'm telling you high level game. And so
just in opening statements, they had they had withheld certain
things that the judge has ordered them to share with
Thugs Team. So Thugs Team, since the opening statement slides
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everything they're dealing with with the state only sends a
little bit. Now, let me give you some game about that.
It's two ways to look at this. One way you
can say, yo, the state is playing the game, which
is the narrative I think needs to be painted to
help thug because they have made this a shit show.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
This has been a.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Circus and I'm not speaking about what has happened the
crimes is being committed because I'm a grown man, right,
so I always want to shed light on Yo, y'all children,
is listening to me win apologiest for criminal behavior. I
want you to know it's another way. I know how
you can get stuck in that Maids, So I try
(09:40):
to tell you come up out of it in Maids
in the eventure. Not doing that, I become just a
voice to try to lend some kind of understanding on
your pathway. So what I'm talking about is how the
state has handled this evidence has handled this case. It'll
be equivalent to a basketball play coming out and he
(10:01):
dribbled like this because this is what's comfortable for him,
this is what gives him the advantage. Well, unfortunately, the
game don't allow you to dribble that way. And when
you come and dribble that way, it ain't nobody. Yo,
you gotta call that.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
That ain't that ain't what we agreed to. That that
ain't a dribble.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
And so the conduct attached to the constituents of the
state has been less than professional. Let's say that. That
can be one perspective. The other perspective can be Again,
Bill Belichick, I'm looking at the law. I'm looking at
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what even the judge said, and he left a gray area.
I utilize that gray area to set the standard. I
know you didn't send that because it is specifically say
sending that, But if I send you byd it's set
the president, you may think, and.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
He's sending us more than we sent him. We got
a nugget.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Now when we get in court, I'm gonna say, now
here they are, y'alla, they ain't sent us or nothing.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Now they playing some kind of game.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I'm telling you the level of game that can happen.
So there's two different ways.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
To look at this.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
This is why I tell you when you deal with
a good lawyer, they operate in a certain way. They
got a certain style, a certain charisma, and you can
tell Brian Still on opening day, came out Firn when
he needed to be firm. Ain't none of this win,
(11:37):
ain't win, ain't cooling him. They got somebody life on
the line. He's That's how his energy is, and that's
what you want to see if you're paying your lawyer
like that. But I think that relationship with him and
Thug may go a little deeper than that. Put that
to the side. I want to deal back with the
particulars of what's been happening. I know they have called
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upwards of two hundred witnesses in a reco case to testify.
I've heard them use jogging like when someone gets in trouble,
the first person they call is king slime, And unfortunately
they're able to use that terminology on the record, if
I'm not mistaken. I think that's very detrimental to the
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overall image that's being painted as it pertains to just
court proceedings.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I want you to know I'm not emotionally involved because
whatever has happened in Atlanta, my family ain't have to
deal with it, so it's important I say that you did.
But I'm looking at how we being treated as a whole, right,
and what's going on as it pertains to this particular case.
But you want to feel like your lawyer moving with
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your life on the line. He got something, men, And
it ain't just shits some giggles. He ain't just took
my money and come back to me. Take a plea.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
That's a whole another. We can get to that in
a minute.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Man.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
We got so much to talk about today. Man, we
can get to that in a minute. So you give
a good lawyer, you give them time.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Now here.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
You are over here building your strengths. We got three
hundred dish, we got five hundred dish. We got da
da da. They on the other side, they got to
take that and turn that into what that looks like
for us? Maybe overzealous? Why so many people? What's going on?
You indicted the president? Let's get into that.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
The conversations to be had. I think there's things just room.
That's been a flurry of mishaps as it pertains to
the handling of the case. And again I won't speak
to the overall evidence and how it's being used. I
mean lyrics are and now that's something I can say
is I don't really feel I don't really feel good
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about lyrics being in a trial. I also don't feel
good about us rapping about things that can put us
in a position where our lyrics should be in tried.
I also don't like how the culture don't react if
they don't know that it's something I'm rapping that really happened.
I don't like how they box me in the maze
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where if it don't happen, I ain't got no business
rapping it.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I live that life. I'm up here balling with the suckers.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Nine times I'm out of ten, I'm gonna live a
next door to a squall. Worked hard as I work,
I'm gonna live next door to a squall nine times
out of ten, I'm gonna live a next door to
somebody that are called the police. It ain't too many
real niggas up through here. It's just what I'm trying
to get you niggas done. Understand the real niggas getting
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lost somewhere. Eye there, and let me clarify real nigga.
I want you to know, if you're operating in the streets,
you're looking for a black cat in a dog room.
It's unfortunately, because some of y'all was born in that
dog room and told to look for that cat. That's
the only way out this room. Look for that cat.
(15:08):
You know that cat I was That's the only way
some mus done got out of here. So some of
y'all was told that instead of looking for the light switch,
turn the light on in the.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Room in this thug case.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Right, they came out and they said, Yo, every time
somebody get in trouble, guess who they call. They called
Kingslide a couple of things they said, and it's now
get off of this. This wasn't even on the docket
for today, but we're just getting to it. But when
they say that their famous rich homeboy that made it
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out the ghetto is the first person they called when
they get in trouble, they say, that's what makes them
the gang leader. And see, that's what I'm saying. We
operate in this gray area where two things can be
true or both of us can be bullshit. That I
may just be the only nigga with the resources to
help niggas out and I ain't win bullge on them forward,
(16:11):
Really the game set up to go buoge on your people?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I ain't bullshit.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
They donet really set the game up to get in
and go bullge on your people, because the closer you
is to what you come from is how you get
the conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Ain't that a bitch?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
You come through help, and the young niggas bought guns
with the money you bought them through that, the young
niggas took the hood. When you came through and gave money, nigga,
the violence went up in the neighborhood. Now some kind
of way you digging. All you was doing was man,
I'd have made it. Man, he go a nugget. Hopefully
y'all got a plan. I can't babysit, but it get
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easy to lock you in that conspiracy. And so when
they said that, I'm just like, yo, man, Cause the
reason I'm watching this because they can be talking about me. Brother, Yo,
I'm the young thug of my family. I ain't talking
about criminals. I'm talking about when something happened, They calling
me when they need even direction on something.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yo.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Man, They at my job asking me about such and such.
What you think I should tell them? Listen? Then what
you do? This, what you don't do. I'm always handing
something to somebody. But it seemed like the game is
set up for me. To resist being resourceful. I gotta
resist being resourceful to doctor Rico. Now look at our
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counterpause on the other side, I don't see it being
like that. I don't know if it's been one indictment
as it pertains to any other genre of music. The
other thing they said, I think they're prepared for, and
let me give you all this and then we'll get
into the show. The other thing they said, I think
they're prepared for is for people to now come in
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and say, I ain't snitching. I don't remember, I don't know.
I don't think I said that. I misunderstood what you
were saying. So, in my opinion, that's a setup for
the people that took them, that took a lot of
them pleased, that said that if they're called to the stand,
they gonna bring you niggas on the stand to humiliate
you niggas. This way, that shit finna bite a nigga
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in the ass. They finna walk them niggas on the stand,
and then everybody that they already preparing the courts for
niggas to come up there and say, I don't remember.
They just told the courts and their opening statements, people
gonna come up there and be embarrassed. People gonna come
up there and not remember, not wanna remember. With that
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in mind, they still gonna walk some niggas dying there
to that courthouse and on their stand because they know
the shame they going with that. Even the DA know
the shame that you got your partner. This that's right
here to change niggas lives. You niggas in particular, all
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us on our side, We just watching from our side.
But it's a couple of it's niggas in particular that
was in the Bentley together that this shit Donne broke
up the family. You know how many families the DA
donet coming broke up. Everybody told you they was ready
for war. They just didn't tell you where they come.
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Was gonna be pointed. It ain't never no clarification. When
niggas get to talking to each other about all this
gangster shit, it's just a whole bunch of vague quotes.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I'm a riot twin, i'ma you my twin, nigga.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
What that mean? When them people come nigga, we gang nigga?
What the fuck that mean? When the DA knock on
the door, nigga and they trying to paint this shit
to something. They a little bit right, but it's a
lot of wrong getting that. And we gotta hold that
line I was talking about, like a defensive line protect
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the quarterback. Ain's you niggas gonna let the state in
the DA sack the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Whole time.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Niggas being benefiting when a nigga make or play. The
whole team nigga, even the.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Side line move. You hear me, Man, watch.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
The NFL A nigga, the whole team move, when the
quarterback make the right day, the whole sideline, everybody get
to move.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
That shit hard to deal with that. Why I come
about the jungle by.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Myself, Tarzan, we bragging, boast each other out Lord to
keeping it real, staying solid when a lot of time
niggas don't even know what that means. And man, it's
some niggas that's gonna hold that line too. It's getting
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It's gonna get rough though, as them days go by,
as them holidays go by, it's them birthdays go by,
its them calendars keep rolling. It's gonna get hard and
harder the whole deadline. And they know that it's by
design and the way that most times it's set up.
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They gonna force the nigga at the top to hold
the line, so it's gonna ultimately turn to a quarterback sneak. Anyway,
I want to talk about forty two. Doug went on
million dollars worth a game. Shout out four two, the
whole four PR family shut out Wallo, Gilly million are
worth a game.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
FOK two just got out man.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
So it was a good look for him, right, just
being happy that he out, Just trying to get his
footback playing on solid ground. He elaborated on his case,
very interesting case, right. He spoke to a few things.
I want to play a couple of clips. I want
to react to him. I think I think they're spacing
opportunity for some conversation right in some games.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So let's listen to four two, one million dollars worth
a game.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
You know, we grew up in the ghetto, and growing
up in the ghetto, no matter what we got right now,
a lot of times we think about the times we
was fucked up. A Llamas was fucked up with popping
the PENITENTI and we ain't had so even though we
got it, we still see that in us and we
like everybody and it's a vulnerable state because we be
so real and so tough out here. We don't know
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how to be human beings no more so. The vulnerable
state is I want to be accepted by my people,
by my hood, by the ogi over there. Ain't nothing
wrong with that, as human by your people. But because
because it's the fear of getting hurt and getting rejected
by the people that you grew up in the environment
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you grew up, because when you were a kid, you
looking at Mike and like, oh he Mike had the benzes.
Yet I want to be like Mike, So I got
to come and get that same reaction. We want our
people to love us the most. But I'm gonna touch
on something you say, and I'm gonna touch on it
because it's important.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I want to speak to the young nigga out there,
even just the man out there, the woman out there,
the young person out there that want to feel seen.
A lot of times, the position is I just want
to be seen, just want to be heard. Some niggas
that keep going if you just look that way. It
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don't cost you nothing to look that way either. And
the fame is a hell of a drug. Famer turn
a regular nigga into a monster. And we're gonna get
into this, all these lawsuits and all that later in
the show. But this fame and money shit'll turn a
nigga to a monster. Nigga become too cool to post
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his family, Nigga become too famous to fuck with this
the people that fuck with him, people that die for him,
Nigga become too cool to even acknowledge them. Folks, the
fame will make you a monster, not even because you
done anything wrong. It's just the attributes that the fame has.
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It's just the inner workings other fame. It'll make you
not even fuck with people on social media that you
fuck with in real life. I try my best not
to ignore the obligation to pour into this culture.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Man.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That's why I'm still doing this right. It's like an obligation, bro,
you gotta pass some of that down.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
But the issue is that.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
You'll get adults that are getting this industry and then
they'll start to edit their real life for likes. You
ever seen somebody fall out with you with the community
before they fall out with you in real life, And
so if they critics don't want them around you, then
guess what they don't come around you. That's them editing
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their real life for likes, not if you've done something
wrong with them, not if you did something to befriend them,
not if you mishandled the relationship in the slightest bit.
But the only thing that's altered in that relationship is
that the critics no longer want to see you two
around each other, and they can literally edit their real
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life to maintain that social status in those likes. It
can be a situation where Nigga made you a me.
I literally put some figures in your pocket, change your life.
You've called me when you was in binds. You was
crying on the phone talking to me. And you will
let the outside influence make you stop fucking with me.
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You will let them people that ain't never done nothing
for you dictate how I fuck with you when you
fuck with me. But see, the human being has an
urge to want to belong. So this isn't just a
black thing. This is a universal narrative. This is everybody.
This ain't just us. This everybody They want to belong
to something, and so I have to breathe life into
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the young niggas.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
That's why my message is nigga. If they don't support you,
so what then what if they never like nothing? Then
what what?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
You're gonna roll over and die about it? You gonna
give up because your soul called homeboy don't support you. Nah,
You're gonna keep going in spite of them not supporting you.
You're gonna get it done and make them swallow that
and come back around, because, trust me, nigga is money.
Make nigga swallow. They pride. We're gonna seeing the toughest
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nigga swallow. They pride about this money. Huh, you came
back around there, snitch?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
How you called the boy snitch? You back hanging with him? Huh?
You donna win broke? Huh?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
You know these club nights and making nigga swallow. They
pride this money make them swallow. They pride getting in
these maybacks and make them swallow. They pride these first
class flights and make them swallow.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
They pride.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Nigga they used to like you. Now they wanted something.
Give me somewhere on the band wagon. Shit'll make them swallow.
They pride. When you get your hustle in order, you
will see them swallow. They pride in real time that nigga,
be real quiet. You gotta make them niggas quiet enough
to where you can hearm swallow they pride. I want
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you niggas quiet enough to why hear you swallow you pride.
And sometimes you just gotta do the work in spite
of Sometimes you just gotta put one foot in front
of the other.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Believe in yourself no matter what. They know. You do
a podcast, They don't call you.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
They know you cut hair, they know you lay brick,
they know you wash cars, they know you cut yards.
They know you a stylist, they know you a car salesman.
They know you a construction worker. They know you got
that food spot. They don't call you. They go around
you to get that done. When it's time to spend money,
they call you about the favors. They hit your phone
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by the all only favors. Don't give me all your
love and give your money to somebody else. Let your
money go with your love around here now. I don't
want nobody bringing nothing but they loved me. Bring your
money with you. You say you support me. You know
what I'm fighting. You know I come up out of
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it trying to drive off. Bring your money with your love,
right now I get to a spot where I only
need your love. But right now we hustling. You say
you want to mind how you gonna bring all your love?
You say you're bringing all your love to me, but
when it's time to spend your money, you go elsewhere. Now,
we can't do it like that. I can't respect that.
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I can't be involved in that. We can't evolve like that.
We can't do that.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Foe two.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Doug also spoke about his lyrics being played against him
in court.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Let's pay attention.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
I used to think about a lot of now when
it's like the police gonna step back and let you
be an entertainer.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
As far as.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Watching what you rapping about, you know what I'm saying,
Like they I was thinking, like shit, well grab their
faolto they let them put out ground their photo on
you know what I'm saying. And they ain't going to
jail for you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
You know what around shoot, motherfucker's talking.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Crazy or they ain't going to jail for putting the
idea out like you should call jack and as like,
they don't go to jail for that. So I feel
like for a young they.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Ain't going to jail for putting that idea out. See that,
because that's essentially what they're they're critical of rappers of
doing and putting ideas out.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
That's a deep point. Pay attention, like or.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Any rapper you feel me like, why would I say it?
So much of a thing?
Speaker 6 (29:39):
But just keep it real too though, like niggas gotta
stop telling on themselves. Yeah, like I'm saying, but what
you do, no, you know what, that's something different because
if you didn't do it, you not see a lot
of times it's good to talk about ship.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Okay, let me step me in right here. I'm gonna
try to lay some framework around this. I think Gillimore
so is speaking more so to using lyrics in rhymes
that you actually are doing. Two, it's saying that some
of this stuff I'm saying should be framed as entertainment.
And if that, if we take that premise, then what
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we're saying is that I'm putting out entertainment. So you're
not punishing me for what I'm saying that I'm actually doing.
You're punishing me for what I'm saying the idea of
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
And he's saying that.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yo, GTA puts out the idea that young kids can
grab an a k take the police to war and
have five stars and get away. You making kajack an
old dude, take it for robber, jump in and go
left right, do your thing, and this is part of
the game. And so that idea is still being implanet
in the same way, these young niggas actually talk about
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what they did, then they actually claim the work.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
They actually say nigga been dead for a half hour day.
They already on the ground, were smoking.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Charlie. A lot of why I went to jail is
because of how I rap.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
I feel like, see this is something, this is something
he trying to get off. This right here is something
he done. Sat back and thought about FO two and
sat back and said, man, they got me in here.
They treated me a certain kind of way because of
the shit I rap about. They ain't even nailed me
to the cross about none of that. They ain't even
send me to prison bout that I'm in prison for
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something else, but they hold me accountable for shit I'm
rapping about. I just want you all to know that
this is something near and dear to do. Right now,
the prosecuted.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
The prosecutor use it against you, not so much of a prosecutor,
but like, okay, I feel like even giving me a
federal case, Like come on, man, you know what I'm saying.
I went to jail, Like my whole federal process was
because I went to the gun range and somebody recorded me.
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Know okay, it's a feelingly true, you know what I'm saying.
But it's like, how the fuck y'all even know about this.
I wasn't big, like you know what I'm saying. I
was still you know what I'm saying. And when it
came out of court, they like anonymous caller. First off,
I'm in a line. I'm from Detroit.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
You know what I'm saying. Don't nobody know I'm down here,
Like I'm still regular almost you know what I'm saying.
So and I'm like anonymous, you know what I'm saying.
It just show you, like THEMB motherfuckers was watching you.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
I'm gonna give you some game.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Though, so his encounters was altaed by the lyrics presented
in his music, not even by his charges, and so
that speaks to the environment, that speaks to the atmosphere
between the two, the tension between the two. I want
to be clear to the people out there right the
relationship between law enforcement and rappers and hip hop music
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in particular, it ceases to exist. There is no relationship.
It's unfortunate to say that because citizens should be protected.
But that's a hatred between rappers and law enforcement. Maybe
it was the NWA movement to fuck the police, they
try to stop it. Maybe that sid with the taste
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of law enforcement and rappers relationship. But I want my
voice to be loud when I say this, there is
no relationship between law enforcement and hip hop culture. Even
the ones protecting you can't wait to fuck over you.
It's no longer cops and robbers, its cops and rappers.
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And so I want to be clear with that message
because even as you hear FOK two Doug speak, it's like, Yo,
they was treating me bad. Usually rap niggas get good treatment.
They get treatment well everywhere they go. They go to
a restaurant, they get to skip lines. But boadway count
most in that courtroom. Board Every rap tag and play
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a different it gives different in that courtroom.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
And that's the conditioning.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Because rap has a multitude of angles that it possesses.
And I think there's a study somewhere, but we may
have to study the effects of what rock and roll done,
what hard rock, what punk rock is done. We may
have to study the effects of you know, that whole
Merlin Manson wave and all of that. We may have
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to study what that stuff is done and what that
genre is doing in the eyes of law enforcement. Because
we appreciate the culture and his raw as form. We
understand that there's maintenance that needs to be done. We
understand that, and we need to deplore the right people
to get that done. And so that's a working process
(34:50):
for us, and we have to get faster at getting
that corrected because it's too much money on the line.
So that's a fact. But there's a hatred between rappers
and law enforcement. It's no longer cops and robbers, is
cops and rappers. And so as a recording artist, it's
like we trapped ourselves in the room because the closer
you are to it, it's like it give it that
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feel for the young rap culture right gives it a
certain feel the closer you are to it. And we've
been taught to stay down. We've been told at least
to stay down, although a lot of times. Unfortunately, we
don't hold up to that. But we've heard that the
echoes of stay down, the echoes of hustle. That's why
(35:34):
it's a lot of game need to be applied to
some of this shit. But we done told the young
niggas the hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle. They donet
pass that to the women.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Now.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
The women think that everybody think the hustle is all
you need. Man, they hit it for disaster. But not
only is it okay to stay down, and there's a
time to stay down, there's also a time to let go.
There's also a time to let go. We don't never
talk to each other about letting go. What it is
take you to let go. Sometimes you gotta let go.
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It's harm and.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
You hold non to that.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
It's hurting you.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Hold none of that, costing you everything you got. Hold
none of that. Look, you're using a lot of your
band with on. Just hold none of that.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
It's cool to stay down, but it's also cool to
let go. If they don't know, they will know that
it's hard to maintain the original essence of a relationship
when the love is unbalanced. Because I give you all
of me only to receive little with you. It's the
same with this. When I fuck with you, it's like
I'm like Black Friday with the support. I'm like Black
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Friday with the support. Whatever you own, I'm supporting you.
I'm like Black Friday with it. That's just what kind
of individual I am. But you will struggle with maintaining
the original essence of the relationship when the love is unbalanced.
You can teach these niggas how to fish. Soon as
they get a fish out the water, they'll take it
and eat it with someone else. They're gonna split a
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fish sandwich with someone else the first fish they get
out the water. You brought them niggas to the bank.
Them niggas use your fishing pole. I allowed you to
use my river. I brought you the way I know
the fish. Yet you ain't even have no clue how
to feed your family. They were going starving over I
brought you over here to the bank. Let you use
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my fishing rod. Got you and you went and took
and split the fish with That's how it happened. You
gotta just psych yourself out. You also got to make
sure you never be a hater, Do not never be
find yourself. I mean thout ignore that hater feeling. And
it tends to come because we have an innate ability
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to only consider things we don't have. We can only
see or appreciate what's coming or going because we do
have respect.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
For what leaves us. See that there's a respect for
what leaves you.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
There's a respect for what comes to you, But this
little respect for what stayed with you. And that's what
we be fucking up. It's the ones that stay with
us we look over. It's the fans that stay with us.
We look over. We're too focused, don't get new fans.
It's the niggas that ride with us. It's the media
that stay with us. It's the features that stay with us.
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It's the outlets that stay with us. We forget about
because we're too busy trying to reach new people instead
of feed the village, bring people into your village. But
for some reason, we only respect what's coming up, going,
and what we have we won't consider. And so I
try to be cognizant of that, try to place myself
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in a situation to consider the small things. Remember, remember
what it was like, don't dwell in it. But remember
because at some point you have to play kingmaker your
real boss when you when you make other kings, you
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a real boss. Don't tell me how many record deals
you saying, tell me how many medionaires you made?
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Talk to me nice.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
These niggas are running around. I'm on my third deal, nigga.
How many millionaires you know made? Everybody around you ain't
seem like they.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Man.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Listen, I try to bind my business. I try to
mind my y'all. Don't want me peeking into you onentarage
you know them niggas. I know a lot of these dudes.
I know in this game. They all they little home
is rich.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I'm talking about they little home is having they have
in they way. So I'm saying, I'm knowing, yo, what
we're doing with this money on or what we're doing
with these opportunities. You ain't got this structure right.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
What we're doing. They figure this out.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
I ain't hating on you. I'm hunting for you. When
you hear me talk about something that I look at
and don't see you doing, niggas, I ain't hate no,
I'm hunting for you. I'm trying to bring information over
to you. You otherwise wouldn't have got because everybody eating
off for you, they ain't teaching you nothing. Them niggas
ain't gonna give you no game because the people eating
off me. Nine times out of ten, the ain't gonna
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get me no game. That's the nature of the beast.
And that's why the voice become powerful because who else
at the top of the mountain breaking that down like that?
And what they doing that for? I can just focus
on interviews. I don't even got to do this, no
more love one this for this, this is literally because
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I like to put game next.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
To this shit.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Think of like shit, well, grind the fat. They let
them put out, ground their fat off, you know what
I'm saying. And they ain't gonna jail for.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
You know what I'm saying. Don't nobody know I'm down
here like I'm still regular almost you know what I'm saying.
So and I'm like anonymous. You know what I'm saying.
It just show you like them motherfuckers was watching you.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
So his encounters was auto by the lyrics presented in
his music, not even by his charges, and so that
speaks to the environment that speaks to the atmosphere between
the two, the tension between the two. My boys to
be loud when I say this, there is no relationship
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between law enforcement and hip hop culture. It's no longer
cops and robbers, is cops and rappers. And it tends
to come because we have an innate ability to only
consider things we don't have.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
We can only.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
See or appreciate what's coming or going because we do
have respect for what leaves us. See that there's a
respect for what leaves you. There's a respect for what
comes to you. With this little respect for what stayed
with you hating on you, I'm hunting for you. When
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you hear me talk about something that I look at
and don't see.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
You doing, Nigga, I ain't hating on you. I'm hunting
for you.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
And I know people fight to get these interviews, right.
I think getting an interview as a podcast, as a
dude in content is a very strange thing.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
It's a It's a space.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Where like me, I have a roller dex of people
like I have people I'm loaded. You know, you say
what you want, but you kind of with certain things
and certain people you try to give grace kind of
like Joe.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Budden and did it.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
What's unfortunate is that did it A come right through
New York and not go sit with Joe Budden. But if
I'm having three four five thousand subscribers on patren, that
some of these people are hav in fifteen to twenty
thirty thousand subscribe, this is a lot of people making
hundreds of thousands of month. They don't have to shield
anyone when these narratives come. Because what we have to
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understand is some people make their money off creating narratives
and we don't have to defend them.
Looking at theug case right.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
This is Atlanta rapper Jeffrey Lamar Williams, or as most
know him as Young Thug, performing on NBC's Saturday Night
Live back in twenty twenty one. In the same year,
his album Punk would end up on Complex and Rolling
Stones's Best Album of the Year lists. But in twenty
twenty two, police raided Williams's home, arresting him, setting off
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a fifty six count reco case against Young Thug, prominent
rapper Gunna, and twenty six other members of their music
collective hys L.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
They still gonna walk some dying there to their courthouse
and on their stad because.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
They know the shame they're going with that. Even the
DA know the.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Shame that you got your partner that's right here, that
changed their lives. You Mick in particular, all us on
our side, we just watching from now side.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
But it's a couple of it's in particular love that
was in the bently together that dish gonna broke up
the family.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
See y'all looking at a lawyer. These dudes creating narratives.
These dudes debunk narratives. That's why I have a high
level of respect for lawyers.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That was not.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
With fog Major Jeffrey thug and mean sa Jeffrey something
very personal. It was his path.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
He could ever make it.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
As a musical artist.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And help the family, himself and his many others out
of this endless cycle.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Of hopeuses it would be truly humble under God. That's
what thund is.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
So when you're dealing with Brian Steele, you know, if
he got time to prepares like be a Belichick, he
may figure out I can flatten the balls.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And it ain't nothing in the hand. But to say
that that's illegal.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I want you to know if you're operating in the streets,
you're looking for a black cat in a dog room.
It's unfortunate because some of y'all was born in that
dog room and told to look for that cat. That's
the only way out this room. Look for that cat.
You know, that cat. That's the only way some must
done got out of here.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
So some of y'all was told that instead of looking
for the light switch.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
You know what made me give up on the so
called street life, because these niggas are let the fizz
in the DA and the state sack the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You in position, you tell them niggas, hold the line.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
All you got to do is stay strong, Just stay strong,
hold the line. But somebody gonna fold. Every time they
round all them niggas up, put them in and padded wagon.
And that's when all their gang gang shit go out
the window. That's when niggas go to thinking about they
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slf self survive or self sufficient. Niggas going to self
serving mode. And all you got to do is hold
the line. And sometimes somebody gotta go, Sometimes a few
people gotta go. A loss got to be two, but
they'll bring the whole ship down. And that's what doesn't change.
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Then people figure out number one. Make the jail sell
hard to deal with, Put some information in that, put
some study in. Make these walls brick, make this metal,
make this, feed them this, make sure this is in
the drink, make sure this is right, keeping agenda in place.
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It's fucked up because they'll let them sack the quarterback. Now,
the quarterback analogy is interesting right here, because what I'm
insinuating is that when the team moves, everybody moves.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
When we get y'all say we get a first down,
the entire team the sticks move. Nigga even the sideline move.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You see that.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You see that, nigga, even the sideline move when the
quarterback make the right decision and we get the right playoff,
get some yards, the whole team get.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
A chance to move.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And so it's beneficial to be a part of something
at that moment. But when it's detrimental to be a
part of that same thing, do you standing in that
same situation? You see that because benefit turns the detriment,
And do you hold steady? Do you hold that line?
That's all a nigga asks a nigga. That's why I
be by myself. It's like a nigga come up out
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the woods. You see a wolf. You ever seen a
wolf done left the pack? You see him come about
the wood by itself. He knows something, he knows something,
or even I can say it's like a lion that
just come you dig.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
And I'm speaking on this because I'm looking at.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Thug case right His trial is in process right now,
and we got a lot of I'm gonna talk about today, right,
We back in that bag. I'm saying, we backing that bag.
You hit me, you hit me, We back in that bag.
(06:14):
I was looking at thug trial interesting situation because as
I see Thug sitting there with his lawyer, the indictments
started in a very interesting place, right and for those
who are underwere you know, Thug was indicted on rico
charges as well as people on why sal or label.
(06:34):
This was in May of twenty and twenty two. I
believe it was twenty seven people that was indicted on charges.
I think it's down to seven, six, five maybe going
to trial. And so the interest that's presented because you
will catch the DA holding the line. They'll all for
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each other, they'll make it look a certain way, all
in the name of getting the goal accomplished. And so
just watching the Thug trial is interesting. There's a lot
of objections. There's a lot of things being said done
in trial. I think that will be examined, if not
in the near future, in the process that the trial
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doesn't go in the way in thugs favor. I think
some of this stuff will be revisited as it pertains
to how the state has handled, some of the evidence,
handled some of the proceedings that's been motions filed, as
it pertains to their conduct and what I would say
doesn't fall short of lying by our omission. Right, these
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are games being played in court that's at a very
high level.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
It's the sneak attack, because.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
When you're dealing with a guy like Brian Steele, you're
dealing with a marksman. You're dealing with a specialist. See
y'all looking at a lawyer. These dudes creating narratives. These
dudes debunk narratives. That's why I have a high level
of respect for lawyers. You see met people that go
in there in that environment and fight in the within
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those lines where everything gotta lead to something and make
this kind of it's just all kind of game being played.
So when you're dealing with Brian Steele, you know, if
he got time to prepare shit like Bill Belichick, he
may figure out I can flatten the balls and it
ain't nothing in the hand.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
But to say that that's.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Illegal moving forward up, we didn't know that and we
didn't tell nobody to do that. That happened to happen
by right, I'm telling you high level game. And so
just in opening statements, they had they had withheld certain
things that the judge has ordered them to share with
Thugs Team. So Thugs Team, since the opening statement slides
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everything they're dealing with with the state only sends a
little bit. Now, let me give you some game about that.
It's two ways to look at this. One way you
can say, yo, the state is playing the game, which
is the narrative I think needs to be painted to
help thug because they have made this a shit show.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
This has been a.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Circus and I'm not speaking about what has happened the
crimes is being committed because I'm a grown man, right,
so I always want to shed light on Yo, y'all children,
is listening to me win apologiest for criminal behavior. I
want you to know it's another way. I know how
you can get stuck in that Maids, So I try
(09:40):
to tell you come up out of it in Maids
in the eventure. Not doing that, I become just a
voice to try to lend some kind of understanding on
your pathway. So what I'm talking about is how the
state has handled this evidence has handled this case. It'll
be equivalent to a basketball play coming out and he
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dribbled like this because this is what's comfortable for him,
this is what gives him the advantage. Well, unfortunately, the
game don't allow you to dribble that way. And when
you come and dribble that way, it ain't nobody. Yo,
you gotta call that.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
That ain't that ain't what we agreed to. That that
ain't a dribble.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
And so the conduct attached to the constituents of the
state has been less than professional. Let's say that. That
can be one perspective. The other perspective can be Again,
Bill Belichick, I'm looking at the law. I'm looking at
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what even the judge said, and he left a gray area.
I utilize that gray area to set the standard. I
know you didn't send that because it is specifically say
sending that, But if I send you byd it's set
the president, you may think, and.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
He's sending us more than we sent him. We got
a nugget.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Now when we get in court, I'm gonna say, now
here they are, y'alla, they ain't sent us or nothing.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Now they playing some kind of game.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I'm telling you the level of game that can happen.
So there's two different ways.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
To look at this.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
This is why I tell you when you deal with
a good lawyer, they operate in a certain way. They
got a certain style, a certain charisma, and you can
tell Brian Still on opening day, came out Firn when
he needed to be firm. Ain't none of this win,
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ain't win, ain't cooling him. They got somebody life on
the line. He's That's how his energy is, and that's
what you want to see if you're paying your lawyer
like that. But I think that relationship with him and
Thug may go a little deeper than that. Put that
to the side. I want to deal back with the
particulars of what's been happening. I know they have called
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upwards of two hundred witnesses in a reco case to testify.
I've heard them use jogging like when someone gets in trouble,
the first person they call is king slime, And unfortunately
they're able to use that terminology on the record, if
I'm not mistaken. I think that's very detrimental to the
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overall image that's being painted as it pertains to just
court proceedings.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I want you to know I'm not emotionally involved because
whatever has happened in Atlanta, my family ain't have to
deal with it, so it's important I say that you did.
But I'm looking at how we being treated as a whole, right,
and what's going on as it pertains to this particular case.
But you want to feel like your lawyer moving with
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your life on the line. He got something, men, And
it ain't just shits some giggles. He ain't just took
my money and come back to me. Take a plea.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
That's a whole another. We can get to that in
a minute.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Man.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
We got so much to talk about today. Man, we
can get to that in a minute. So you give
a good lawyer, you give them time.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Now here.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
You are over here building your strengths. We got three
hundred dish, we got five hundred dish. We got da
da da. They on the other side, they got to
take that and turn that into what that looks like
for us? Maybe overzealous? Why so many people? What's going on?
You indicted the president? Let's get into that.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
The conversations to be had. I think there's things just room.
That's been a flurry of mishaps as it pertains to
the handling of the case. And again I won't speak
to the overall evidence and how it's being used. I
mean lyrics are and now that's something I can say
is I don't really feel I don't really feel good
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about lyrics being in a trial. I also don't feel
good about us rapping about things that can put us
in a position where our lyrics should be in tried.
I also don't like how the culture don't react if
they don't know that it's something I'm rapping that really happened.
I don't like how they box me in the maze
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where if it don't happen, I ain't got no business
rapping it.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I live that life. I'm up here balling with the suckers.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Nine times I'm out of ten, I'm gonna live a
next door to a squall. Worked hard as I work,
I'm gonna live next door to a squall nine times
out of ten, I'm gonna live a next door to
somebody that are called the police. It ain't too many
real niggas up through here. It's just what I'm trying
to get you niggas done. Understand the real niggas getting
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lost somewhere. Eye there, and let me clarify real nigga.
I want you to know, if you're operating in the streets,
you're looking for a black cat in a dog room.
It's unfortunately, because some of y'all was born in that
dog room and told to look for that cat. That's
the only way out this room. Look for that cat.
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You know that cat I was That's the only way
some mus done got out of here. So some of
y'all was told that instead of looking for the light switch,
turn the light on in the.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Room in this thug case.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Right, they came out and they said, Yo, every time
somebody get in trouble, guess who they call. They called
Kingslide a couple of things they said, and it's now
get off of this. This wasn't even on the docket
for today, but we're just getting to it. But when
they say that their famous rich homeboy that made it
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out the ghetto is the first person they called when
they get in trouble, they say, that's what makes them
the gang leader. And see, that's what I'm saying. We
operate in this gray area where two things can be
true or both of us can be bullshit. That I
may just be the only nigga with the resources to
help niggas out and I ain't win bullge on them forward,
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Really the game set up to go buoge on your people?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I ain't bullshit.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
They donet really set the game up to get in
and go bullge on your people, because the closer you
is to what you come from is how you get
the conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Ain't that a bitch?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
You come through help, and the young niggas bought guns
with the money you bought them through that, the young
niggas took the hood. When you came through and gave money, nigga,
the violence went up in the neighborhood. Now some kind
of way you digging. All you was doing was man,
I'd have made it. Man, he go a nugget. Hopefully
y'all got a plan. I can't babysit, but it get
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easy to lock you in that conspiracy. And so when
they said that, I'm just like, yo, man, Cause the
reason I'm watching this because they can be talking about me. Brother, Yo,
I'm the young thug of my family. I ain't talking
about criminals. I'm talking about when something happened, They calling
me when they need even direction on something.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yo.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Man, They at my job asking me about such and such.
What you think I should tell them? Listen? Then what
you do? This, what you don't do. I'm always handing
something to somebody. But it seemed like the game is
set up for me. To resist being resourceful. I gotta
resist being resourceful to doctor Rico. Now look at our
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counterpause on the other side, I don't see it being
like that. I don't know if it's been one indictment
as it pertains to any other genre of music. The
other thing they said, I think they're prepared for, and
let me give you all this and then we'll get
into the show. The other thing they said, I think
they're prepared for is for people to now come in
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and say, I ain't snitching. I don't remember, I don't know.
I don't think I said that. I misunderstood what you
were saying. So, in my opinion, that's a setup for
the people that took them, that took a lot of
them pleased, that said that if they're called to the stand,
they gonna bring you niggas on the stand to humiliate
you niggas. This way, that shit finna bite a nigga
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in the ass. They finna walk them niggas on the stand,
and then everybody that they already preparing the courts for
niggas to come up there and say, I don't remember.
They just told the courts and their opening statements, people
gonna come up there and be embarrassed. People gonna come
up there and not remember, not wanna remember. With that
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in mind, they still gonna walk some niggas dying there
to that courthouse and on their stand because they know
the shame they going with that. Even the DA know
the shame that you got your partner. This that's right
here to change niggas lives. You niggas in particular, all
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us on our side, We just watching from our side.
But it's a couple of it's niggas in particular that
was in the Bentley together that this shit Donne broke
up the family. You know how many families the DA
donet coming broke up. Everybody told you they was ready
for war. They just didn't tell you where they come.
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Was gonna be pointed. It ain't never no clarification. When
niggas get to talking to each other about all this
gangster shit, it's just a whole bunch of vague quotes.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I'm a riot twin, i'ma you my twin, nigga.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
What that mean? When them people come nigga, we gang nigga?
What the fuck that mean? When the DA knock on
the door, nigga and they trying to paint this shit
to something. They a little bit right, but it's a
lot of wrong getting that. And we gotta hold that
line I was talking about, like a defensive line protect
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the quarterback. Ain's you niggas gonna let the state in
the DA sack the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Whole time.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Niggas being benefiting when a nigga make or play. The
whole team nigga, even the.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Side line move. You hear me, Man, watch.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
The NFL A nigga, the whole team move, when the
quarterback make the right day, the whole sideline, everybody get
to move.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
That shit hard to deal with that. Why I come
about the jungle by.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Myself, Tarzan, we bragging, boast each other out Lord to
keeping it real, staying solid when a lot of time
niggas don't even know what that means. And man, it's
some niggas that's gonna hold that line too. It's getting
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It's gonna get rough though, as them days go by,
as them holidays go by, it's them birthdays go by,
its them calendars keep rolling. It's gonna get hard and
harder the whole deadline. And they know that it's by
design and the way that most times it's set up.
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They gonna force the nigga at the top to hold
the line, so it's gonna ultimately turn to a quarterback sneak. Anyway,
I want to talk about forty two. Doug went on
million dollars worth a game. Shout out four two, the
whole four PR family shut out Wallo, Gilly million are
worth a game.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
FOK two just got out man.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
So it was a good look for him, right, just
being happy that he out, Just trying to get his
footback playing on solid ground. He elaborated on his case,
very interesting case, right. He spoke to a few things.
I want to play a couple of clips. I want
to react to him. I think I think they're spacing
opportunity for some conversation right in some games.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So let's listen to four two, one million dollars worth
a game.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
You know, we grew up in the ghetto, and growing
up in the ghetto, no matter what we got right now,
a lot of times we think about the times we
was fucked up. A Llamas was fucked up with popping
the PENITENTI and we ain't had so even though we
got it, we still see that in us and we
like everybody and it's a vulnerable state because we be
so real and so tough out here. We don't know
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how to be human beings no more so. The vulnerable
state is I want to be accepted by my people,
by my hood, by the ogi over there. Ain't nothing
wrong with that, as human by your people. But because
because it's the fear of getting hurt and getting rejected
by the people that you grew up in the environment
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you grew up, because when you were a kid, you
looking at Mike and like, oh he Mike had the benzes.
Yet I want to be like Mike, So I got
to come and get that same reaction. We want our
people to love us the most. But I'm gonna touch
on something you say, and I'm gonna touch on it
because it's important.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I want to speak to the young nigga out there,
even just the man out there, the woman out there,
the young person out there that want to feel seen.
A lot of times, the position is I just want
to be seen, just want to be heard. Some niggas
that keep going if you just look that way. It
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don't cost you nothing to look that way either. And
the fame is a hell of a drug. Famer turn
a regular nigga into a monster. And we're gonna get
into this, all these lawsuits and all that later in
the show. But this fame and money shit'll turn a
nigga to a monster. Nigga become too cool to post
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his family, Nigga become too famous to fuck with this
the people that fuck with him, people that die for him,
Nigga become too cool to even acknowledge them. Folks, the
fame will make you a monster, not even because you
done anything wrong. It's just the attributes that the fame has.
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It's just the inner workings other fame. It'll make you
not even fuck with people on social media that you
fuck with in real life. I try my best not
to ignore the obligation to pour into this culture.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Man.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That's why I'm still doing this right. It's like an obligation, bro,
you gotta pass some of that down.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
But the issue is that.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
You'll get adults that are getting this industry and then
they'll start to edit their real life for likes. You
ever seen somebody fall out with you with the community
before they fall out with you in real life, And
so if they critics don't want them around you, then
guess what they don't come around you. That's them editing
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their real life for likes, not if you've done something
wrong with them, not if you did something to befriend them,
not if you mishandled the relationship in the slightest bit.
But the only thing that's altered in that relationship is
that the critics no longer want to see you two
around each other, and they can literally edit their real
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life to maintain that social status in those likes. It
can be a situation where Nigga made you a me.
I literally put some figures in your pocket, change your life.
You've called me when you was in binds. You was
crying on the phone talking to me. And you will
let the outside influence make you stop fucking with me.
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You will let them people that ain't never done nothing
for you dictate how I fuck with you when you
fuck with me. But see, the human being has an
urge to want to belong. So this isn't just a
black thing. This is a universal narrative. This is everybody.
This ain't just us. This everybody They want to belong
to something, and so I have to breathe life into
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the young niggas.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
That's why my message is nigga. If they don't support you,
so what then what if they never like nothing? Then
what what?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
You're gonna roll over and die about it? You gonna
give up because your soul called homeboy don't support you. Nah,
You're gonna keep going in spite of them not supporting you.
You're gonna get it done and make them swallow that
and come back around, because, trust me, nigga is money.
Make nigga swallow. They pride. We're gonna seeing the toughest
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nigga swallow. They pride about this money. Huh, you came
back around there, snitch?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
How you called the boy snitch? You back hanging with him? Huh?
You donna win broke? Huh?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
You know these club nights and making nigga swallow. They
pride this money make them swallow. They pride getting in
these maybacks and make them swallow. They pride these first
class flights and make them swallow.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
They pride.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Nigga they used to like you. Now they wanted something.
Give me somewhere on the band wagon. Shit'll make them swallow.
They pride. When you get your hustle in order, you
will see them swallow. They pride in real time that nigga,
be real quiet. You gotta make them niggas quiet enough
to where you can hearm swallow they pride. I want
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you niggas quiet enough to why hear you swallow you pride.
And sometimes you just gotta do the work in spite
of Sometimes you just gotta put one foot in front
of the other.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Believe in yourself no matter what. They know. You do
a podcast, They don't call you.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
They know you cut hair, they know you lay brick,
they know you wash cars, they know you cut yards.
They know you a stylist, they know you a car salesman.
They know you a construction worker. They know you got
that food spot. They don't call you. They go around
you to get that done. When it's time to spend money,
they call you about the favors. They hit your phone
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by the all only favors. Don't give me all your
love and give your money to somebody else. Let your
money go with your love around here now. I don't
want nobody bringing nothing but they loved me. Bring your
money with you. You say you support me. You know
what I'm fighting. You know I come up out of
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it trying to drive off. Bring your money with your love,
right now I get to a spot where I only
need your love. But right now we hustling. You say
you want to mind how you gonna bring all your love?
You say you're bringing all your love to me, but
when it's time to spend your money, you go elsewhere. Now,
we can't do it like that. I can't respect that.
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I can't be involved in that. We can't evolve like that.
We can't do that.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Foe two.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Doug also spoke about his lyrics being played against him
in court.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Let's pay attention.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
I used to think about a lot of now when
it's like the police gonna step back and let you
be an entertainer.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
As far as.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Watching what you rapping about, you know what I'm saying,
Like they I was thinking, like shit, well grab their
faolto they let them put out ground their photo on
you know what I'm saying. And they ain't going to
jail for you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
You know what around shoot, motherfucker's talking.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Crazy or they ain't going to jail for putting the
idea out like you should call jack and as like,
they don't go to jail for that. So I feel
like for a young they.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Ain't going to jail for putting that idea out. See that,
because that's essentially what they're they're critical of rappers of
doing and putting ideas out.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
That's a deep point. Pay attention, like or.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Any rapper you feel me like, why would I say it?
So much of a thing?
Speaker 6 (29:39):
But just keep it real too though, like niggas gotta
stop telling on themselves. Yeah, like I'm saying, but what
you do, no, you know what, that's something different because
if you didn't do it, you not see a lot
of times it's good to talk about ship.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Okay, let me step me in right here. I'm gonna
try to lay some framework around this. I think Gillimore
so is speaking more so to using lyrics in rhymes
that you actually are doing. Two, it's saying that some
of this stuff I'm saying should be framed as entertainment.
And if that, if we take that premise, then what
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we're saying is that I'm putting out entertainment. So you're
not punishing me for what I'm saying that I'm actually doing.
You're punishing me for what I'm saying the idea of
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
And he's saying that.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yo, GTA puts out the idea that young kids can
grab an a k take the police to war and
have five stars and get away. You making kajack an
old dude, take it for robber, jump in and go
left right, do your thing, and this is part of
the game. And so that idea is still being implanet
in the same way, these young niggas actually talk about
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what they did, then they actually claim the work.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
They actually say nigga been dead for a half hour day.
They already on the ground, were smoking.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Charlie. A lot of why I went to jail is
because of how I rap.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
I feel like, see this is something, this is something
he trying to get off. This right here is something
he done. Sat back and thought about FO two and
sat back and said, man, they got me in here.
They treated me a certain kind of way because of
the shit I rap about. They ain't even nailed me
to the cross about none of that. They ain't even
send me to prison bout that I'm in prison for
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something else, but they hold me accountable for shit I'm
rapping about. I just want you all to know that
this is something near and dear to do. Right now,
the prosecuted.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
The prosecutor use it against you, not so much of a prosecutor,
but like, okay, I feel like even giving me a
federal case, Like come on, man, you know what I'm saying.
I went to jail, Like my whole federal process was
because I went to the gun range and somebody recorded me.
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Know okay, it's a feelingly true, you know what I'm saying.
But it's like, how the fuck y'all even know about this.
I wasn't big, like you know what I'm saying. I
was still you know what I'm saying. And when it
came out of court, they like anonymous caller. First off,
I'm in a line. I'm from Detroit.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
You know what I'm saying. Don't nobody know I'm down here,
Like I'm still regular almost you know what I'm saying.
So and I'm like anonymous, you know what I'm saying.
It just show you, like THEMB motherfuckers was watching you.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
I'm gonna give you some game.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Though, so his encounters was altaed by the lyrics presented
in his music, not even by his charges, and so
that speaks to the environment, that speaks to the atmosphere
between the two, the tension between the two. I want
to be clear to the people out there right the
relationship between law enforcement and rappers and hip hop music
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in particular, it ceases to exist. There is no relationship.
It's unfortunate to say that because citizens should be protected.
But that's a hatred between rappers and law enforcement. Maybe
it was the NWA movement to fuck the police, they
try to stop it. Maybe that sid with the taste
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of law enforcement and rappers relationship. But I want my
voice to be loud when I say this, there is
no relationship between law enforcement and hip hop culture. Even
the ones protecting you can't wait to fuck over you.
It's no longer cops and robbers, its cops and rappers.
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And so I want to be clear with that message
because even as you hear FOK two Doug speak, it's like, Yo,
they was treating me bad. Usually rap niggas get good treatment.
They get treatment well everywhere they go. They go to
a restaurant, they get to skip lines. But boadway count
most in that courtroom. Board Every rap tag and play
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a different it gives different in that courtroom.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
And that's the conditioning.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Because rap has a multitude of angles that it possesses.
And I think there's a study somewhere, but we may
have to study the effects of what rock and roll done,
what hard rock, what punk rock is done. We may
have to study the effects of you know, that whole
Merlin Manson wave and all of that. We may have
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to study what that stuff is done and what that
genre is doing in the eyes of law enforcement. Because
we appreciate the culture and his raw as form. We
understand that there's maintenance that needs to be done. We
understand that, and we need to deplore the right people
to get that done. And so that's a working process
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for us, and we have to get faster at getting
that corrected because it's too much money on the line.
So that's a fact. But there's a hatred between rappers
and law enforcement. It's no longer cops and robbers, is
cops and rappers. And so as a recording artist, it's
like we trapped ourselves in the room because the closer
you are to it, it's like it give it that
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feel for the young rap culture right gives it a
certain feel the closer you are to it. And we've
been taught to stay down. We've been told at least
to stay down, although a lot of times. Unfortunately, we
don't hold up to that. But we've heard that the
echoes of stay down, the echoes of hustle. That's why
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it's a lot of game need to be applied to
some of this shit. But we done told the young
niggas the hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle. They donet
pass that to the women.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Now.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
The women think that everybody think the hustle is all
you need. Man, they hit it for disaster. But not
only is it okay to stay down, and there's a
time to stay down, there's also a time to let go.
There's also a time to let go. We don't never
talk to each other about letting go. What it is
take you to let go. Sometimes you gotta let go.
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It's harm and.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
You hold non to that.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
It's hurting you.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Hold none of that, costing you everything you got. Hold
none of that. Look, you're using a lot of your
band with on. Just hold none of that.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
It's cool to stay down, but it's also cool to
let go. If they don't know, they will know that
it's hard to maintain the original essence of a relationship
when the love is unbalanced. Because I give you all
of me only to receive little with you. It's the
same with this. When I fuck with you, it's like
I'm like Black Friday with the support. I'm like Black
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Friday with the support. Whatever you own, I'm supporting you.
I'm like Black Friday with it. That's just what kind
of individual I am. But you will struggle with maintaining
the original essence of the relationship when the love is unbalanced.
You can teach these niggas how to fish. Soon as
they get a fish out the water, they'll take it
and eat it with someone else. They're gonna split a
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fish sandwich with someone else the first fish they get
out the water. You brought them niggas to the bank.
Them niggas use your fishing pole. I allowed you to
use my river. I brought you the way I know
the fish. Yet you ain't even have no clue how
to feed your family. They were going starving over I
brought you over here to the bank. Let you use
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my fishing rod. Got you and you went and took
and split the fish with That's how it happened. You
gotta just psych yourself out. You also got to make
sure you never be a hater, Do not never be
find yourself. I mean thout ignore that hater feeling. And
it tends to come because we have an innate ability
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to only consider things we don't have. We can only
see or appreciate what's coming or going because we do
have respect.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
For what leaves us. See that there's a respect for
what leaves you.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
There's a respect for what comes to you, But this
little respect for what stayed with you. And that's what
we be fucking up. It's the ones that stay with
us we look over. It's the fans that stay with us.
We look over. We're too focused, don't get new fans.
It's the niggas that ride with us. It's the media
that stay with us. It's the features that stay with us.
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It's the outlets that stay with us. We forget about
because we're too busy trying to reach new people instead
of feed the village, bring people into your village. But
for some reason, we only respect what's coming up, going,
and what we have we won't consider. And so I
try to be cognizant of that, try to place myself
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in a situation to consider the small things. Remember, remember
what it was like, don't dwell in it. But remember
because at some point you have to play kingmaker your
real boss when you when you make other kings, you
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a real boss. Don't tell me how many record deals
you saying, tell me how many medionaires you made?
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Talk to me nice.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
These niggas are running around. I'm on my third deal, nigga.
How many millionaires you know made? Everybody around you ain't
seem like they.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Man.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Listen, I try to bind my business. I try to
mind my y'all. Don't want me peeking into you onentarage
you know them niggas. I know a lot of these dudes.
I know in this game. They all they little home
is rich.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I'm talking about they little home is having they have
in they way. So I'm saying, I'm knowing, yo, what
we're doing with this money on or what we're doing
with these opportunities. You ain't got this structure right.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
What we're doing. They figure this out.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
I ain't hating on you. I'm hunting for you. When
you hear me talk about something that I look at
and don't see you doing, niggas, I ain't hate no,
I'm hunting for you. I'm trying to bring information over
to you. You otherwise wouldn't have got because everybody eating
off for you, they ain't teaching you nothing. Them niggas
ain't gonna give you no game because the people eating
off me. Nine times out of ten, the ain't gonna
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get me no game. That's the nature of the beast.
And that's why the voice become powerful because who else
at the top of the mountain breaking that down like that?
And what they doing that for? I can just focus
on interviews. I don't even got to do this, no
more love one this for this, this is literally because
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I like to put game next.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
To this shit.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Think of like shit, well, grind the fat. They let
them put out, ground their fat off, you know what
I'm saying. And they ain't gonna jail for.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
You know what I'm saying. Don't nobody know I'm down
here like I'm still regular almost you know what I'm saying.
So and I'm like anonymous. You know what I'm saying.
It just show you like them motherfuckers was watching you.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
So his encounters was auto by the lyrics presented in
his music, not even by his charges, and so that
speaks to the environment that speaks to the atmosphere between
the two, the tension between the two. My boys to
be loud when I say this, there is no relationship
(41:30):
between law enforcement and hip hop culture. It's no longer
cops and robbers, is cops and rappers. And it tends
to come because we have an innate ability to only
consider things we don't have.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
We can only.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
See or appreciate what's coming or going because we do
have respect for what leaves us. See that there's a
respect for what leaves you. There's a respect for what
comes to you. With this little respect for what stayed
with you hating on you, I'm hunting for you. When
(42:09):
you hear me talk about something that I look at
and don't see.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
You doing, Nigga, I ain't hating on you. I'm hunting
for you.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
And I know people fight to get these interviews, right.
I think getting an interview as a podcast, as a
dude in content is a very strange thing.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
It's a It's a space.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Where like me, I have a roller dex of people
like I have people I'm loaded. You know, you say
what you want, but you kind of with certain things
and certain people you try to give grace kind of
like Joe.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Budden and did it.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
What's unfortunate is that did it A come right through
New York and not go sit with Joe Budden. But if
I'm having three four five thousand subscribers on patren, that
some of these people are hav in fifteen to twenty
thirty thousand subscribe, this is a lot of people making
hundreds of thousands of month. They don't have to shield
anyone when these narratives come. Because what we have to
(43:04):
understand is some people make their money off creating narratives
and we don't have to defend them.
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