September 16, 2025 • 45 mins
This week, Tommy is joined by actress Joy Sunday who is currently captivating audiences in Season 2 of the smash-hit series Wednesday. Joy plays Bianca, the commanding and cool siren who has the ability to control people’s minds just by using her voice in the most watched English language series in Netflix history. Today, Joy opens up about the 18 group chats she’s in with her cast, what she has most enjoyed exploring from Season 1 to Season 2 as Bianca, if Bianca and Wednesday can ever be best friends, if she wants to see Bianca have a love interest next season, the powerful ways she relates to her character, fan girling over Catherine Zeta-Jones, if we will ever see Bianca in her non-human form, how she had to release control when it came to auditioning for Wednesday, how she has to fight to keep believing in herself, overcoming debilitating stagefright, who she would love to play in a biopic, revealing more of a secret talent, stepping into her directing era, the heavy burden she sometimes feels, and so much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me,
Tommy Didario, it is so hard to not notice how
the Netflix smash shit series Wednesday has taken over the world.
The full season two it's out right now. And I
chatted with my buddy Hunter Duhan last week, who plays
Tyler aka the Hyde, and I don't know, I just
wasn't quite ready to let go of the Wednesday world
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just yet. So my guest today is the brilliant Joy Sunday,
who plays Bianca, the commanding and cool siren in this
timber in masterpiece. So Bianca has the ability to control
people's minds just by using her voice, and I'm not
gonna lie. I felt like I was under a spell
while chatting with Joy because she has such a magnetic
(00:43):
and captivating energy. Oh and did you know that Wednesday
became the most watched English language series in Netflix history. Yeah,
it amassed over one point seven billion hours viewed, catapulting
Joy to international stardom. Today we are diving into all
things Wednesday, but then we're also peeling back the layers
of Joy to learn more about the person behind those
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mysterious eyes that are lighting up our screens. Right now.
So let's see if today we can get Joy to
say something that she has never said before. Joy Sunday,
how are you?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I am so good? It is so good to be
hanging out with you. You were like radiating such beauty
and goodness right now.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yes, I appreciate that, because you know, it's a cloudy
day outside. It's been a while since it's been cloudy,
so thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Well, it's a little jarring to not see you with
your blue green contacts. Oh my gosh, wait, fake, you
have the gorgeous these chocolate eyes. I'm like, yes, I
get to see them. I get to see them just
wearing those contacts. Just get tiring of her.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Honestly, I don't think about it much. I think thankfully
God blessed me with the big eyes, so there's like
a lot of space for them to move around. However,
this season then they have so first season, I couldn't
see anything because they didn't have prescription, and I'm like, slightly,
it's not so bad. But second season they have prescription,
but they painted them so I don't have Perferle vision.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Where they painted the context.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, so like last season, it was just like printed
you know whatever from CBS not see this, but.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Like, right are you're really making this sound appealing.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
But second season it was the custom painted it for
my IRiSS and whatever so that it would look a
bit more just like baked in. But they because of that,
I don't have perfule vision in them, so I could
pretty much only see right in front of me and
not anything to the side, Like I can't see this chair,
I can't see somebody standing right next to me. So
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it's fun, but it's not uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Wow, I've kind.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Of a good excuse to like not be able to
talk to you right Like, I'm in the zone. I'm focused.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
You're focused, busy and focused. I love that. I think
that you were someone you strike me as someone very
early on in this conversation that loves conversation.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
You know. It varies, honestly, because I love actual engage
conversation where we're connecting and we're listening and asking, you know,
relevant questions. But I can't do small talking very bad
at it.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Really like the introvert side comes out.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's just because i'd rather somebody dig deep, you know,
which obviously not every interaction calls for that. But I
I'm okay with quiet. I don't feel the need to
fill the space. So yeah, it varies, it varies. I
feel like you're analyzing me. What are you thinking?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
What am I thinking? I'm thinking that, I'm thinking that,
I'm thinking that I read you're in like eighteen group chats,
And how the hell does someone get an eighteen group chats?
Who doesn't love small talk?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Wealth They don't respond, You don't respond. I'm always like
two days late to the conversation or I read it
and I show up, you know, like I if it's
you know, it's typically coordinating things or you know, sharing
or asking for permission to do something or whatever. So
if it's you know, an immediate to ask, I'll be there.
But if it's just conversation, I'll read it and like
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engage if I need to.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
You're the one that back in the day when you
could leave a group chat, it would be like CHOI
has left the chat. No.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I like to be I like to be a spectator. Okay,
so I respect group chet gets a lot and you know,
you can look at my phone. There's a lot of
things to answer to.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
So I feel you on that, I feel you and
I'm an Italian and there's a million relatives and family
and it's just like much. Yeah, I can't do it.
I can't I get it completely. Well, Okay, let's dive in.
What a whirlwind time it is for you, What a
whirlwind few years it's been for you. I mean, Netflix
is one of the biggest streamers in the world. In
your show is one of the most successful shows on
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the streamer, and here you are just crushing it, like
just crushing it again for season two. There's a season
three coming out. I mean, how are you handling this all?
How are you doing like mind, body, and spirit? Because
it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It is a lot. And it's funny because I'm very
much a person who I can budget my emotional capacity
or like physical capacity if I know what I'm approaching.
So this year, however, has been the craziest year of
my life by far. It's just been back to back
and going into the Wednesday press tour, I had just
come back from Kenya for two weeks and I'd lost
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my phone and so it was like I didn't have
a phone for eleven days and I was just floating
in the world getting ready for this huge public moment.
But it's all about kind of preparing for the moment,
and I've always been very good at doing that and
budgeting and managing my time. But also not for nothing,
it's definitely up to my team and how wonderful you know,
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everybody is and how much everybody's eager to show up.
So definitely shout out to them, both my glam team
and also like pr and all that stuff. Like it all.
I couldn't do it without them for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, it's like one big family.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Wow, Well, you play such a great character on Wednesday,
I mean, the sire and she is commanding and cool
and we've really got to gone to see different sides
to her from season one to season two. So what
has that journey been like for you? And what have
you most enjoyed exploring from season one to the season.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You know, it's interesting because I think with the change
in Bianca's presentation from going from really confident and assured
to you know, and secure and kind of looking over
her shoulder, I think people have really connected with peeling
back that layer, which has been lovely to see now
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that the show is out, Because when I was on
set shooting season two, I was shaking in my boots. Like,
I was so anxious that people wouldn't, you know, connect
with her, and that I wouldn't be able to capture
the same magic as season one. But it's been really
beautiful to see people's response and how much they've connected
to her journey. So I'm grateful for that.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So you thought people woul connect more with kind of
like the bad girl or the villainesque type role than.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
This version, not even necessarily that, but just because she
spends you know, the majority of the season and kind
of in a between a rock and a hard place.
I was really afraid about her feeling stagnant and feeling stale,
especially because it was such a drastic change from the
first time around, right, But it seems like people really
connected with that speed and that you know, introspection that
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she was forced to go through, and that was cool.
You know that they don't only love the bragadocious, you know,
spunky side, they also love the heart and the empathy
is so it's nice and.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
You kind of went from rivals with Wednesday to somewhat
friend to Wednesday in season two. Is there a world
where you feel like they could be best friends?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I absolutely think that there's a world where they could
be best friends. I mean, I think honestly, their relationship
would probably mirror, you know, how like drag queens relate
to each other, where it's just like constant rimming, it's
I mean, but also that there's this support right in
community in it and as far as or as much
as ondes they would participate in that, right. But I
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definitely see a world in which Bianca and Wednesday are
close friends and that they keep each other in check
and support each other, you know, at their heights. I'd
love to see that.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, I would love to see it too. Even the
moments where Bianca and Wednesday are fencing. Yeah, and it's
so intense, and you guys have that fierce choreography and
it's kind of these really heightened and intense moments. But
I feel like, to them, that's fun and friendship in
a show of love.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Right, I mean, it's not a bad thing to compete with,
yeah people, I mean we love game nights, right, so
it's like we should embrace being able to you know,
have that fun while also maintaining a relationship. I think
there's more than enough room for us to be friends.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I cannot agree more. I think a lot of people
that I see on the internet are wondering if you're
going to get a love storyline next season. Are you
feeling like Bianca needs that, or you're like, she's good,
she doesn't need the love.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I mean, I'm never going to be one to say
that somebody needs to be in a relationship or needs
to be in love, because at the end of the day,
it always starts with yourself.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And so that's probably what I would say for Bianca
as well, like she doesn't need it. You know, being
in love is nice, but I also feel like she's healing.
And yes, it'd be nice to just see Bianca healed
and supported and loved and in community with everybody else,
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you know, not these extracurriculars that she's going outside the
school to do. I want to see her with her friends,
with her classmates, being a teenager, just living.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Hmmm. And what's so beautiful about the show is, yes,
it's very much in the supernatural world, but there's so
many themes and topics that are relatable for humans and
for all of us that we go through very similar
things as we watch these characters go through. There there
are years every time we watch a new season. So
for you, she's a siren, right, But how do you
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relate to her? How do you bring joy to her?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
You know, when I first was thinking about Bianca, or
you know, when she first entered my life, I'm not
unlike her, you know, I think we're very much different
sides of the same coin in that there's a lot
of responsibility, there's a lot of community care, right, and
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even if somebody sees us as you know, this perhaps imposing,
intimidating figure, at the end of the day, we have
a lot of heart. And because of how I feel
throughout my life that being that kind of person can
attract the wrong attention or perhaps you know, just not
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fit in very well. I wanted to gift Bianca with
the ability to have people really see her and see
her heart and see what's behind, you know, the personality
or behind the magnetism, right, because I think when we
put people on pedestals like that, or we kind of
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project this sense of like wow, like they're this you know,
head girl at school, it's you know, you remove the
human humanity from them. And that was what I was
really excited about putting into Bianca because I want it
for myself, and it was healing to get to do that,
to get to play this character who gets to be
your confident self and whatever, but also is you know,
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gets to receive love and care and sympathy.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, feeling misunderstood, I think is something many of us
have gone through. And that's a character that I feel
like experiences that, and I imagine that's something you've had
to deal with too throughout your life and why you
bring her to life in such a beautiful way.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, for sure. I mean my journey has been peppered
with so much of you know, I'm not similar trajectories
in terms of parents. My parents are great, but certainly
having going to make your way through and having to
define for yourself finding another family right especially, you know,
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I've always been a traveler and so I've often been
alone in places, but I've always been myself and again
like that, can you know, I'm a New Yorker. You
can only fit in so many different places. But it's
always been important to me to find home everywhere, and
you know, I hope that Beyonca's journey she can also
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do that. You know, never more is her home, but
it's been so contested recently, and I hope that she
can feel comfortable because it's really a boon to experience
that for oneself, and I'm hoping that she can do
that as well.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
So what was your favorite Bianca moment to dive into
this season?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I'd have to say, I mean, I love Steve, and
I adore Steve so much, and I love the scenes
that we shot. But I have to say, getting to
work with Catherine is like crazy to me because she's
always ever since I know I'd be on the show
with her. It was I couldn't believe it. And first
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time around I didn't get to work with her as closely.
With this time around, there were just such synergy I
feel between us, and she's so gracious and giving as
a performer, and to be able to witness that, to
see her professionalism and her heart and her wit and
her ideas as well, because she's not just acting, she's
also you know, commenting on camera and all this stuff.
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To get to see that from such a legend and
you know, understand for myself what my career could look like,
it was really cool. And getting to be a sponge
next to Catherine was a delight and a privilege. And
an honor and a dream and you.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Roast the occasion. You know, when you have an og
legend like that, you gotta rise. You did, and watching
the two together were some of the best moments of
the season because there was this this push and pull
and this hid intention that we knew what was going on,
but you know, she did it at first, and it
was really cool to see that. So how do you
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walk into a room when you're like, all right, I
am acting opposite of miss Catherine Zada Jones and we
are going to rock and roll and I'm going to
do it? Like, how do you not let that fear
kind of just squash you?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Over preparedness? Yeah, first of all, but I'd say that
ever since Bianca was in my life, I've always had
to do that because you know, when I auditioned for
the role via self tape and then the next thing
I know, I was testing with Timberton over zoom in
my childhood bedroom. So my head up was Bianca, but
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shoulders down it's just yeah, just fearful. But once I
passed that test, it's like, Okay, well I belong here,
and I just have to tell myself that more and
more each day. And never gets easy to just accept that.
But that's why I like to be prepared and you know,
to know what I'm getting into and give myself the
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right tool so that way I can rely on what
I know, what's in my heart, and I guess let
the talent shine from there.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, that's all you can do at the end of
the day, right, you have to release and just see
what happens.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
So, over the course of two seasons, which is how
many years because there was a break and the strike, we.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Shot season one twenty twenty one to twenty twenty two,
twenty like March August twenty March August August twenty twenty
one to March twenty twenty two or April, okay, and
so about three years or two years.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
And here we are in twenty twenty five, almost a
new year coming. What have you most learned about yourself
through playing her over the course of this entire time?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
That, honestly, playing Bianca encouraged me to expand as a
human being in a lot of different ways. I mean,
being on the show has given me a platform that
I'm really grateful to have because I've always been somebody's
been very politically active and it's been nice to be
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able to use that or to use this as a
snapping stone to affect change. And but that's something I
wasn't or not necessarily didn't know I was capable of beforehand,
but at such a wide scale, it's nice to have
that be a part of my life. And that's also
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aside from you know, political activism, it's also been my
artistry as well, getting back into directing and producing and
all these things that I had told myself with years
away from them, I couldn't do. Now that I'm on
a show with Timbert and and Catha Zeta Jones, it's like, okay,
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what can't you do? You know, It's forced me to
stretch myself and to go back and look at where
what my roots are right and what got me to
that moment, and to appreciate and nurture those roots because
I can only imagine what the next ten years are
going to bring.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Pretty fucking epic. Yeah, that's what I would say you.
It is just the beginning in many ways for you.
It really really is. I think there's also a lot
with this role that we're going to see so much
to explore and then beyond this role. So there's a
lot of exciting things, you know that sirens initially, like
the earliest, earliest depiction and source of a siren was
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a bird woman, right, and then it kind of molded
and merged into this idea of a mermaid, and that's
kind of what we think of now when we think
of a siren. Will we see Bianca in her non
human form at all?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I think so, I mean, I hope, so, I hope
so take my word for it, but I mean, it'd
be cool to see her in her expanded forms, and
to see the siren world as well. Honestly, we haven't
gotten to see that community as much. You know, in
Full Forest, we got to see a little bit in
season one, but it'd be cool to see what that
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environment and habitat looks like and how they relate to
each other as well. When I was going into season one,
and you know, the writers are always the showrunners have
always been very collaborative, and they asked us to come
with ideas for our characters. And one of the ideas
or how I sat down and thought about Bianco as well,
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how would sirens function in the real world? How would
they appear, you know, amongst us, and I thought politicians,
perhaps lawmakers or a cult leaders, and so I you know,
that's kind of how the cult came into Benga's life.
But I'd also just love to go out into the
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world and see what that looks like. You know, who
else are the people kind of you know, causing trouble
out there in the world of sirens and what does
that look like and what are the levels to it?
Because obviously it's a very powerful ability. So yeah, it'd
be nice to expand on that.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
That is so right on, I mean right a siren
uses her voice or their voice to control someone's mind.
A politician would be like, exactly what you would think
of for that? Interesting? All right, So you're like put
me in my Mermaid say, oh I am.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Ready, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I love that. I love that so much. What I
also love about you is that you're somebody who in
twenty twenty, I believe or during COVID you were thinking
about throwing in the house, oh and giving up acted.
I'm many many things, including a researcher, epic research. I'm
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the geek, and I love people's stories. That's why I
do this. And I came upon that and was reading
that you were going to quit and then Wednesday came up, Yeah,
and you decided to go on that audition.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
So the first question is what made you say yes
to that audition when you were feeling like you were
done well.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
This is a fun story that I think I've told
a couple of times. Perhaps not the best way, but
pretty much. So. The audition wasn't Wednesday, I think it
was its code name and then Tim Burton Netflix. So
you can get the audition and you're like, I'm not
going to get this whatever. But typically for actors, especially
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when you're coming up, it's really important who the caston
director is because that's where your relationship really is. That's
who your access is through, right, And so the casting
director was John Papsadera, and a couple months previous I've
always had, you know, I've been to his office a
couple of times at that point. But there was a
self tape that I did a couple months previous that
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I knocked it out the park, but then I went
back to edit it and it was blurry, so but
I didn't have time to change it, and it's chop Apsidaria.
You can't be like, oh, I'm not gonna submit it,
so I had to send it in and I just
covered my eyes. So when I got the Wednesday audition
and I saw his name, I was like, oh my gosh,
I have to do the best audition of my life.
And it was four pages long, which typically could take
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thirty minutes. Maybe did it for two hours because I
had to get it perfect. But that's how it all happened,
and so it really you know, I think that story
demonstrates what it's like to be consistent or to try
one's best, to be consistent and to deliver and execute
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to the best of one's ability despite what you think
will come of it. Because I had no expectation that
I would end up on a Netflix show at Timberton
right right, you know. But I had my goal set.
I had my lane set of like, I'm an actor
and I need to make sure, excuse me, my relationship
this cast and director is good. So that's how it
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all came together.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Thank god you went out for it, right, because, like
I said, you were contemplating if this is for you
for the rest of your life, And that's a question
I think many of us ask in different phases of
our careers and It's something I feel like you've asked
yourself on and off again over the years as an artist, Right,
Like you went to high school here in the city
and you left and weren't feeling treated the best and
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thought is this for me? And then you know you
found it again, and then years later, pre Wednesday, you
were thinking of leaving again. So do you have to
fight to keep believing in yourself as an artist?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah? More than ever, more than ever. I mean, you know,
getting into Wednesday, I was immediately thinking, where's the playbook?
What do I do at this point? Right? Because I'm
going to be on this global stage and I don't
have any directions. I don't have any connections to the industry,
I don't know anybody. I don't know how to do this,
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how to make sure everything goes right. And you know,
all my journey prepared me for Wednesday and everything that
it came with, thankfully, But there's so much more ahead
and I'm so determined to make the most of it
because I mean, actors in general, there's not a lot
of you know, opportunity for us. It's a lot of
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luck as well, but especially given the state of the world,
there's so many isms that I'm fighting against constantly, and
also with the added pressure of Hollywood and keeping up
appearances and and doing all of that just so I
can continue doing the art that I love to support
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the people that I love. So, you know, but I
approach that with faith and and and gumption, and I'm
ready for it. I'm not fearful at all. I'm not disempowered.
I'm very determined and excited.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
And you know, no for sure, I mean, we don't
know everything for sure, but I would imagine you know,
for sure you belong here.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's f I have to because
there's a lot of people that don't agree, and I
don't care for that opinion, and I want to bring
everybody along with me. It's a passion of mine to
pass on knowledge, especially to black actors, because a lot
of us don't have the roots in the industry that
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other people do and don't know how to handle ourselves
in these global stages. Again, but I'm so determined to
show that we're all artists and we all have a
place in something to say, and it honestly brings me
joy to you know. Have that be a part of
my mission?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, I think that's really special. I feel like that
in a similar way, growing up as a gay man,
felt like I had to maybe work a little harder
and prove myself a little more and pave my own path.
And not that I remotely understand what it's like growing
up as you. I'm not a black person, right, I
(25:14):
am a gay man, but I understand what it's like
to fight to be seen and heard and valued, you know.
And I think it's a really cool thing when you
actually believe that you do belong somewhere.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, you have to because there's a lot of people
doubting themselves. And at the end of the day, none
of us should be limited in this human experience. All
of us should be able to create art and have
it seen and appreciated or at least witnessed, right, Yeah,
And the fact that there's these barriers and people who
can decide whether or not something should exist is wrong.
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And it's such a privilege to be an artist. And
my only wish is to spread that privilege around that wealth.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I love that I love that isn't art just stand beautiful? Right,
It's so amazing, And to keep creating and doing something special,
Like I wrote a script I wrote a rom com
and it's based loosely based off my life and some
crazy things that have happened.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Oh it is.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
It is juice. And my husband read it and was like,
we need to have a conversation. We need to talk
about some of these scenes right now. Right what's that about?
Did that really happened? I said. The beauty of this
is you can figure out on your own terms of
what happened. I don't have to tell you everything. Let's
talk about something else, thank you. But yeah, I'm right right,
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I'm like about something else, man, But I'm you know,
in the process of trying to get that made. And
it's just like to use what we were given and
grew up with in what we are, and to put
it into something that can hopefully better the world or
create joy. I think is such a beautiful thing. And
that's what you're doing with your work in your art,
and it's very clear that's a mission to you and
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you're directing, which we're going to talk about in a
little bit as well. So it's it's a very exciting thing.
And I really appreciate the fact that you keep things
so and you talk about things in a way that
doesn't just glamorize you as this big Hollywood actress. You're like,
this is the reality of it. And you got Wednesday,
and you worked on Wednesday and people loved it. And
(27:13):
you've talked about how it was hard to get other
work between the seasons, and nobody would expect that you're
on Wednesday. You are on one of the most popular
shows in the world either, right, But it's like the
work and life of an artist. It doesn't always the
pieces don't always fall as easily as other people would expect.
And I imagine that also is something that when that
(27:35):
started happening between seasons, you had to figure out how
to handle for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
For sure, I mean I, unlike a lot of actors today,
thankfully had a bit of a floater right and was
able to support myself through that time. However, if I
didn't have that, I don't know where I'd be. I
don't know what my career outlod with look like, because
(28:01):
for a lot of people, they don't have the opportunity
to say no to a job that they don't respect
or don't see themselves in. But it was still discouraging
to recognize that I didn't actually have that many opportunities
to say no, it's and kind of being demoralized throughout
(28:22):
that and feeling like, wow, they I it's it doesn't
mirror everybody's experience, and so to look at myself in
the mirror and say, what is it about me that
doesn't that can't work at the same level, It can
be discouraging. And that's exactly what I fight against, because
(28:45):
I shouldn't have to feel that way, especially given the
fact that I show up and I do the work
and I'm consistent, right. But I've since learned to not
dwell in that space, and fully this year, you know,
I got to release a lot of that energy late
last year and then this year has just bloomed in
(29:07):
so many different ways. I got to work on a
project that completely healed me. Just the experience was the
best experience I've had working on set, just getting to
grow as an actor and to you know, be in
an environment that just nurtured everyone and empowered me to say,
(29:29):
it might be far and few between, but when it happens,
it's so worth it, and you put your all into it.
And to get that opportunity as an art as an
artist is again a privilege. Yeah, and I just want
everyone to experience that, and.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I think it's a good reminder for all of us,
no matter what career we're in, is that we can
be so passionate about what we do and love what
we do, and that's why hopefully we do what we
do career wise, but it also doesn't solely define us,
and there's so much more to us as well, and
it's learning how to figure out that part of who
we are so that when those hard times come up,
(30:13):
like we know, okay, you know what, this might suck
for a minute, but my worth isn't all that all
centered around that job or this career, because I'm other
things too, and we're going to get through this. You know.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
It's actually interesting because what I was straddling, the conflict
I was straddling, was not even necessarily like, oh, I
need another job, because you know, I just you know,
I just need But it's also having to choose between
having a lot so much of this angst towards something
that I love. Yeah, is such a huge burden to carry,
(30:45):
especially because you know, you're in community with other artists
and all you want to do is celebrate that art.
But it becomes hard when it feels like you're creatively
blocked yourself and not getting to access that and express
that was tough. And that's why I can only encourage
folks to work with other artists as much as you can,
because again, nothing should be able to stop you from
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expressing yourself. And I think, and I'm so appreciative of
the moments where I got to be in community with
other artists. Yeah, because it got tough.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, and it lifts you up. And we all knew that.
But I mean, you have right now, you have so
much going on with the season three, you have other
projects you've done, you're directing, like, there's so much happening
for you. You might be playing Lauren Hill in a biopick.
I heard, do you want to break any news today?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
No? Gosh, what time is it? Oh? No, no, no news.
I have no news. Have you heard something?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I heard that you really want to play her in
a BIOPI.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I heard that too.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I don't know from who, well, you're putting it out
in the world, so I have to say, I did
not know that you're saying.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I did not know that either. Honestly makes my heart
jump because I'm such a nervous performer. So let's go
back to high school. I actually developed debilitating stage fright
as an actor while at theater school fun.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
As a result of how you were treated, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
And that's something that I had to work through. And
you know, my first few auditions, I was stuttering and
unable to speak, which to see how much I'm over
enunciating today it's a completely different person. And I had
to work through that, you know, lack of confidence. And
it's the same thing with singing, and it's the same
thing with directing. It's the same thing with the imposter syndrome.
(32:38):
It just oscillates between different trades. Honestly, I think singing
is my is my final boss. But I do think
I have a beautiful voice. It's just am very shy
about it.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Okay, so how are you going to get over being shy?
Are you going to start like dropping low key videos
on Instagram of youth singing?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You know what? That is the plan? That really is
the plan. I think also because as I went to
art school, there's such an emphasis on you know, correct
training and instruction, and I think and going to New York,
I mean they follows down the street like it's it
can be such a harsh world out there, and you know,
I don't know if you could tell, but I'm type
so I like to have my stuff. And so I
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think once I get over that block and recognize that
I do have the tools, it'll it'll be barreling out.
You won't be able to stop.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Oh we can't. So what's your favorite? What's your favorite
Lauren hillsong?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I would have to say it's Can't Take My Eyes
Off You. Yeah. I think that's such a sweet song
and it works for any relationship. And yeah, it just
has a lot of heart or lost ones.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Let me tell you, I could see it happening for you.
So I hope you stick within. I hope you do
it first person.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Anybody told me I ever looked like real's special?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Like, yeah, Well, and you have her in your new
directing project.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Will herself somebody who's very very I.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Should say, yes, hear her music? Can you imagine I
have Lauren Hill's in your project? Maybe I just manifested
it for you. Maybe there you go, But I hear
I heard you giving us a little musical something in
that too. So talk to me about all of this
the Take one series. Correct, Yes, you dropped something today
or yesterday today? What is this? What is it about? Like,
(34:32):
tell me everything?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
So Young Arts Take One, Well, firstly, Young Arts is
a beautiful organization that supports young artists you know and
around around the nation, and interdisciplinary artists come together for
a week and just create art together, and some of
them go on to get presidential recognition. All that jazz.
(34:55):
But the Take One project invites alumni to come together,
a lot of them haven't met before, and you choose
something to perform. Doesn't necessarily need to be a song,
can be you know, poetry piece, whatever, but the artists
come together and have a couple of minutes to rehearse
that day and then they have to you know, perform
(35:19):
all in one take. And so imagine my distress going
leading up to it, because I did not only one,
but two songs. Actually there's another one coming out. Oh,
but I was so nervous going into it because nobody's
(35:39):
seen I mean really nobody's seen things that I've directed,
and I haven't done it in a very long time,
ever since I left film school. And so imagine me
knowing that it would be coming out around the time
of this very public Yes, yes, and but I couldn't
be more grateful for how beautifully it came together. And
(36:02):
it was such a beautiful exercise for me and relinquishing
control and trusting, you know. I mean, I've always been
somebody who loves to trust the experts. But really, how
beautifully the artistry came together because I let go and
you know, just bear, you know, leaid witness to everyone
(36:25):
and what they had to bring to the table. It
was such a beautiful reminder of what we're all capable of.
We'll actually see in the next one that I'll be
releasing that one of the artists had to drop out
the day of, and so a singer had to drop
in and memorize a song that morning and do it.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Oh my god, I don't know how y'all do it.
It really is fun to watch. It feels like you're
witnessing something almost that you shouldn't be witnessing. Like it
just feels like you're in this world that you stumbled
into and you're watching these performers bring something into life
in a way that's so organic and natural and that
you shouldn't be there. It's the best way to describe it.
(37:03):
It's really a beautiful beautiful piece. How can people watch
this and see your next one?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
You can watch it on YouTube if you just search
young Arts, young Arts take one. Everything is Everything. It
should probably be the first one that pops up. But yeah,
please watch it. I think we'll eventually release it on
Instagram full. But go to YouTube, find it up there
and look out for the next one on September twenty fourth,
(37:30):
which is the day before my birthday, so you have
to watch because that's my birthday.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Gift. Happy early birthday.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
It's clear you light up talking about this and directing
in general, and that's such a fun different tool for you,
I know, right, it's so cool to see that. It
brings you so much joy.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, yeah, it's and I'm thank you for saying that,
because you know, again, I have these urges and instincts
to do these things, but I talk a lot to
convince myself and think that I don't believe it, but
you say and that shows me that no, there's something
coming up from the inside that wants to come out.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So yeah, and honor and continue honoring it. Right, Nobody,
nobody can put us in a box and say you're this,
this or that, like this is an outlet for you
that's going to continue growing. And it's really really, I'm
not kidding you, guys, it's a really beautiful piece. I
hope you I hope you go watch it. It's just
it's done so beautifully. So congrats to you on that. Man,
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is there anything you can't do? You're like, no, nope,
I can't draw.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I can't draw, Okay, I can't draw, and that that
that's something that I'll on the front.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Well, at least you have one flaw. I don't feel
as inadequate as I do sitting across from you anymore.
So thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Oh my goodness, I actually had an answer.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Oh my god. I don't want this conversation to add.
But the name of the show is called I've never
said this before, and it was born because I cover
a lot of red carpets and a lot of junkets,
which you are no stranger to. And you know, in
a carpet, you get two minutes with somebody in a junket,
maybe six, and it's just not a space for real,
(39:23):
meaningful conversation. It's a very headline based You guys are
asked a lot of the same stuff because every show
and out that wants their question, you know, to have
their own bite with I always trying to make it
personal at least with one question, but it's just a
different format. And I left so many carpets being like,
I feel like I see a look in the people's
eyes who I'm talking to where they're just like I
(39:43):
just want more, Like I just want to be able
to say something more. And that's how the show was born,
to give people the space to come on and say
something that they don't get the chance to always say
in a rushed environment. And it can mean whatever it
means to you. But is there something to that you
can think of that you've never had a chance to
say that you want to say.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
You know, I've thought long and hard about this because
I am somebody who you can tell has a lot
of different plots on the stove. So I'm gonna leave
here today and be like durg I should have said that.
But I think what's resting on my heart largely is
the state of the world. I'm one person, and very much,
(40:27):
very often it can feel, especially with my platform. Even
though I just said like it's awesome that I get
to use it, it's also really scary, you want to
do it in the right way. But at the end
of the day, I know what my beliefs are, I
know what I stand for. I know that I yearn
for a free Congo, Freezidan, free Palestine, and I hope
(40:52):
that we all can embrace even if we don't know
the best way to go about something, that we don't
stop ourselves from doing it. And that applies to so much.
Right it applies to our artistry, but it also applies
to our community, and it applies to whatever you can
do to make this world a better place. Which sounds
(41:16):
very imagine cover from twenty twenty, but yeah, the COVID cover.
But no, I just really hope that we can all
just do the little bit that it takes to try
to affect change. It doesn't always have to be a donation.
(41:37):
It doesn't always have to be going on into the
streets or you know whatever. It's a nice one. You
can do that. But there's also ways to engage in
community care that can expand someone's hearts that they can
care for the topics that you care about. We need
to heal our world and we are responsible for that.
Nobody else is going to do that. On our behalf
(41:58):
and we need to take risks, we need to put
ourselves out there. So I've never said that before.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Well, that's beautiful. I can tell you're very passionate about
wanting to create change in meaningful ways to you and
you want to encourage people that every single person counts
in making a change. Nothing's too small, right, no matter
what the cause is, or the topic is, or the
issue is. It's just we all want to fight for
what's right in the world. And I can tell it's
(42:26):
very very important to you.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
It is, and it's it is scary. It is scary,
but it's also the least that I could do well.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
And you're valid in also worrying sometimes about having the
burden of the platform because people are very quick to
jump on and judge and say things behind a keyboard
and make you feel less than or like you did
something wrong or invoke an opinion that nobody asked for.
So you also have to go through all of that.
(42:56):
So it's finding your voice and being true to yourself
will also now begating sometimes a very toxic digital world.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah right, yeah, I mean that's why I like to
take steps back from it, which is tough when a
lot of the time your employment is contingent on being online.
But I also implore people to remember what it's like
to be outside, into the people in the eyes and talk.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Well. I could talk to you forever. I really can,
and I'm so happy for everything you have going on.
I know the world is still enjoying Wednesday season two?
Are you filming season three? Are you going off to
film three this year? You don't know, no idea?
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, you know more than me.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Okay, okay, so cbd TBD TBD. Well we I know
are going to be very excited for that. Everybody, go
watch the Take one series everything. Go watch Jo Sunday. Yes, girl,
you better put that in you better say that.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yes no, Please support those young artists. They were just
amazing and put their all into it, and I'm just
so happy and grateful that it all came together.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Well, thank you, my dear. This was so fun and
I can't see you do more and more and more
come back anytime. This was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
I want to I want to do a podcast.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
With you, right like co host? Did you just pitch
me co hosting a show together?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Could we do that?
Speaker 1 (44:17):
We can do anything in anything we want anything we.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Want, like limited series.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
You know, we can fit it in between the next
season and Wednesday, you know, and all the other things
you have going on.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Well, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Don't
be a stranger.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
I will not be, you know what. I'll be back
here in the spring hopefully. Okay, going to be on
an HBO show so Mike draw might see see me again.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I can look forward to it. It's been block I
look forward to it. Thank you, bye. I've Never said
this before. It is hosted by Me Tommy Didario. This
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(45:03):
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Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me,
Tommy Didario, it is so hard to not notice how
the Netflix smash shit series Wednesday has taken over the world.
The full season two it's out right now. And I
chatted with my buddy Hunter Duhan last week, who plays
Tyler aka the Hyde, and I don't know, I just
wasn't quite ready to let go of the Wednesday world
(00:22):
just yet. So my guest today is the brilliant Joy Sunday,
who plays Bianca, the commanding and cool siren in this
timber in masterpiece. So Bianca has the ability to control
people's minds just by using her voice, and I'm not
gonna lie. I felt like I was under a spell
while chatting with Joy because she has such a magnetic
(00:43):
and captivating energy. Oh and did you know that Wednesday
became the most watched English language series in Netflix history. Yeah,
it amassed over one point seven billion hours viewed, catapulting
Joy to international stardom. Today we are diving into all
things Wednesday, but then we're also peeling back the layers
of Joy to learn more about the person behind those
(01:04):
mysterious eyes that are lighting up our screens. Right now.
So let's see if today we can get Joy to
say something that she has never said before. Joy Sunday,
how are you?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I am so good? It is so good to be
hanging out with you. You were like radiating such beauty
and goodness right now.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yes, I appreciate that, because you know, it's a cloudy
day outside. It's been a while since it's been cloudy,
so thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Well, it's a little jarring to not see you with
your blue green contacts. Oh my gosh, wait, fake, you
have the gorgeous these chocolate eyes. I'm like, yes, I
get to see them. I get to see them just
wearing those contacts. Just get tiring of her.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Honestly, I don't think about it much. I think thankfully
God blessed me with the big eyes, so there's like
a lot of space for them to move around. However,
this season then they have so first season, I couldn't
see anything because they didn't have prescription, and I'm like, slightly,
it's not so bad. But second season they have prescription,
but they painted them so I don't have Perferle vision.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Where they painted the context.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, so like last season, it was just like printed
you know whatever from CBS not see this, but.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Like, right are you're really making this sound appealing.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
But second season it was the custom painted it for
my IRiSS and whatever so that it would look a
bit more just like baked in. But they because of that,
I don't have perfule vision in them, so I could
pretty much only see right in front of me and
not anything to the side, Like I can't see this chair,
I can't see somebody standing right next to me. So
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it's fun, but it's not uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Wow, I've kind.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Of a good excuse to like not be able to
talk to you right Like, I'm in the zone. I'm focused.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
You're focused, busy and focused. I love that. I think
that you were someone you strike me as someone very
early on in this conversation that loves conversation.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
You know. It varies, honestly, because I love actual engage
conversation where we're connecting and we're listening and asking, you know,
relevant questions. But I can't do small talking very bad
at it.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Really like the introvert side comes out.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's just because i'd rather somebody dig deep, you know,
which obviously not every interaction calls for that. But I
I'm okay with quiet. I don't feel the need to
fill the space. So yeah, it varies, it varies. I
feel like you're analyzing me. What are you thinking?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
What am I thinking? I'm thinking that, I'm thinking that,
I'm thinking that I read you're in like eighteen group chats,
And how the hell does someone get an eighteen group chats?
Who doesn't love small talk?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Wealth They don't respond, You don't respond. I'm always like
two days late to the conversation or I read it
and I show up, you know, like I if it's
you know, it's typically coordinating things or you know, sharing
or asking for permission to do something or whatever. So
if it's you know, an immediate to ask, I'll be there.
But if it's just conversation, I'll read it and like
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engage if I need to.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
You're the one that back in the day when you
could leave a group chat, it would be like CHOI
has left the chat. No.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I like to be I like to be a spectator. Okay,
so I respect group chet gets a lot and you know,
you can look at my phone. There's a lot of
things to answer to.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
So I feel you on that, I feel you and
I'm an Italian and there's a million relatives and family
and it's just like much. Yeah, I can't do it.
I can't I get it completely. Well, Okay, let's dive in.
What a whirlwind time it is for you, What a
whirlwind few years it's been for you. I mean, Netflix
is one of the biggest streamers in the world. In
your show is one of the most successful shows on
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the streamer, and here you are just crushing it, like
just crushing it again for season two. There's a season
three coming out. I mean, how are you handling this all?
How are you doing like mind, body, and spirit? Because
it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It is a lot. And it's funny because I'm very
much a person who I can budget my emotional capacity
or like physical capacity if I know what I'm approaching.
So this year, however, has been the craziest year of
my life by far. It's just been back to back
and going into the Wednesday press tour, I had just
come back from Kenya for two weeks and I'd lost
(05:21):
my phone and so it was like I didn't have
a phone for eleven days and I was just floating
in the world getting ready for this huge public moment.
But it's all about kind of preparing for the moment,
and I've always been very good at doing that and
budgeting and managing my time. But also not for nothing,
it's definitely up to my team and how wonderful you know,
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everybody is and how much everybody's eager to show up.
So definitely shout out to them, both my glam team
and also like pr and all that stuff. Like it all.
I couldn't do it without them for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, it's like one big family.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Wow, Well, you play such a great character on Wednesday,
I mean, the sire and she is commanding and cool
and we've really got to gone to see different sides
to her from season one to season two. So what
has that journey been like for you? And what have
you most enjoyed exploring from season one to the season.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You know, it's interesting because I think with the change
in Bianca's presentation from going from really confident and assured
to you know, and secure and kind of looking over
her shoulder, I think people have really connected with peeling
back that layer, which has been lovely to see now
(06:32):
that the show is out, Because when I was on
set shooting season two, I was shaking in my boots. Like,
I was so anxious that people wouldn't, you know, connect
with her, and that I wouldn't be able to capture
the same magic as season one. But it's been really
beautiful to see people's response and how much they've connected
to her journey. So I'm grateful for that.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So you thought people woul connect more with kind of
like the bad girl or the villainesque type role than.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
This version, not even necessarily that, but just because she
spends you know, the majority of the season and kind
of in a between a rock and a hard place.
I was really afraid about her feeling stagnant and feeling stale,
especially because it was such a drastic change from the
first time around, right, But it seems like people really
connected with that speed and that you know, introspection that
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she was forced to go through, and that was cool.
You know that they don't only love the bragadocious, you know,
spunky side, they also love the heart and the empathy
is so it's nice and.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
You kind of went from rivals with Wednesday to somewhat
friend to Wednesday in season two. Is there a world
where you feel like they could be best friends?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I absolutely think that there's a world where they could
be best friends. I mean, I think honestly, their relationship
would probably mirror, you know, how like drag queens relate
to each other, where it's just like constant rimming, it's
I mean, but also that there's this support right in
community in it and as far as or as much
as ondes they would participate in that, right. But I
(08:06):
definitely see a world in which Bianca and Wednesday are
close friends and that they keep each other in check
and support each other, you know, at their heights. I'd
love to see that.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, I would love to see it too. Even the
moments where Bianca and Wednesday are fencing. Yeah, and it's
so intense, and you guys have that fierce choreography and
it's kind of these really heightened and intense moments. But
I feel like, to them, that's fun and friendship in
a show of love.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Right, I mean, it's not a bad thing to compete with,
yeah people, I mean we love game nights, right, so
it's like we should embrace being able to you know,
have that fun while also maintaining a relationship. I think
there's more than enough room for us to be friends.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I cannot agree more. I think a lot of people
that I see on the internet are wondering if you're
going to get a love storyline next season. Are you
feeling like Bianca needs that, or you're like, she's good,
she doesn't need the love.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I mean, I'm never going to be one to say
that somebody needs to be in a relationship or needs
to be in love, because at the end of the day,
it always starts with yourself.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And so that's probably what I would say for Bianca
as well, like she doesn't need it. You know, being
in love is nice, but I also feel like she's healing.
And yes, it'd be nice to just see Bianca healed
and supported and loved and in community with everybody else,
(09:30):
you know, not these extracurriculars that she's going outside the
school to do. I want to see her with her friends,
with her classmates, being a teenager, just living.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Hmmm. And what's so beautiful about the show is, yes,
it's very much in the supernatural world, but there's so
many themes and topics that are relatable for humans and
for all of us that we go through very similar
things as we watch these characters go through. There there
are years every time we watch a new season. So
for you, she's a siren, right, But how do you
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relate to her? How do you bring joy to her?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
You know, when I first was thinking about Bianca, or
you know, when she first entered my life, I'm not
unlike her, you know, I think we're very much different
sides of the same coin in that there's a lot
of responsibility, there's a lot of community care, right, and
(10:24):
even if somebody sees us as you know, this perhaps imposing,
intimidating figure, at the end of the day, we have
a lot of heart. And because of how I feel
throughout my life that being that kind of person can
attract the wrong attention or perhaps you know, just not
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fit in very well. I wanted to gift Bianca with
the ability to have people really see her and see
her heart and see what's behind, you know, the personality
or behind the magnetism, right, because I think when we
put people on pedestals like that, or we kind of
(11:07):
project this sense of like wow, like they're this you know,
head girl at school, it's you know, you remove the
human humanity from them. And that was what I was
really excited about putting into Bianca because I want it
for myself, and it was healing to get to do that,
to get to play this character who gets to be
your confident self and whatever, but also is you know,
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gets to receive love and care and sympathy.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, feeling misunderstood, I think is something many of us
have gone through. And that's a character that I feel
like experiences that, and I imagine that's something you've had
to deal with too throughout your life and why you
bring her to life in such a beautiful way.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, for sure. I mean my journey has been peppered
with so much of you know, I'm not similar trajectories
in terms of parents. My parents are great, but certainly
having going to make your way through and having to
define for yourself finding another family right especially, you know,
(12:14):
I've always been a traveler and so I've often been
alone in places, but I've always been myself and again
like that, can you know, I'm a New Yorker. You
can only fit in so many different places. But it's
always been important to me to find home everywhere, and
you know, I hope that Beyonca's journey she can also
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do that. You know, never more is her home, but
it's been so contested recently, and I hope that she
can feel comfortable because it's really a boon to experience
that for oneself, and I'm hoping that she can do
that as well.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
So what was your favorite Bianca moment to dive into
this season?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I'd have to say, I mean, I love Steve, and
I adore Steve so much, and I love the scenes
that we shot. But I have to say, getting to
work with Catherine is like crazy to me because she's
always ever since I know I'd be on the show
with her. It was I couldn't believe it. And first
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time around I didn't get to work with her as closely.
With this time around, there were just such synergy I
feel between us, and she's so gracious and giving as
a performer, and to be able to witness that, to
see her professionalism and her heart and her wit and
her ideas as well, because she's not just acting, she's
also you know, commenting on camera and all this stuff.
(13:36):
To get to see that from such a legend and
you know, understand for myself what my career could look like,
it was really cool. And getting to be a sponge
next to Catherine was a delight and a privilege. And
an honor and a dream and you.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Roast the occasion. You know, when you have an og
legend like that, you gotta rise. You did, and watching
the two together were some of the best moments of
the season because there was this this push and pull
and this hid intention that we knew what was going on,
but you know, she did it at first, and it
was really cool to see that. So how do you
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walk into a room when you're like, all right, I
am acting opposite of miss Catherine Zada Jones and we
are going to rock and roll and I'm going to
do it? Like, how do you not let that fear
kind of just squash you?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Over preparedness? Yeah, first of all, but I'd say that
ever since Bianca was in my life, I've always had
to do that because you know, when I auditioned for
the role via self tape and then the next thing
I know, I was testing with Timberton over zoom in
my childhood bedroom. So my head up was Bianca, but
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shoulders down it's just yeah, just fearful. But once I
passed that test, it's like, Okay, well I belong here,
and I just have to tell myself that more and
more each day. And never gets easy to just accept that.
But that's why I like to be prepared and you know,
to know what I'm getting into and give myself the
(15:12):
right tool so that way I can rely on what
I know, what's in my heart, and I guess let
the talent shine from there.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, that's all you can do at the end of
the day, right, you have to release and just see
what happens.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
So, over the course of two seasons, which is how
many years because there was a break and the strike, we.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Shot season one twenty twenty one to twenty twenty two,
twenty like March August twenty March August August twenty twenty
one to March twenty twenty two or April, okay, and
so about three years or two years.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
And here we are in twenty twenty five, almost a
new year coming. What have you most learned about yourself
through playing her over the course of this entire time?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
That, honestly, playing Bianca encouraged me to expand as a
human being in a lot of different ways. I mean,
being on the show has given me a platform that
I'm really grateful to have because I've always been somebody's
been very politically active and it's been nice to be
(16:22):
able to use that or to use this as a
snapping stone to affect change. And but that's something I
wasn't or not necessarily didn't know I was capable of beforehand,
but at such a wide scale, it's nice to have
that be a part of my life. And that's also
(16:42):
aside from you know, political activism, it's also been my
artistry as well, getting back into directing and producing and
all these things that I had told myself with years
away from them, I couldn't do. Now that I'm on
a show with Timbert and and Catha Zeta Jones, it's like, okay,
(17:02):
what can't you do? You know, It's forced me to
stretch myself and to go back and look at where
what my roots are right and what got me to
that moment, and to appreciate and nurture those roots because
I can only imagine what the next ten years are
going to bring.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Pretty fucking epic. Yeah, that's what I would say you.
It is just the beginning in many ways for you.
It really really is. I think there's also a lot
with this role that we're going to see so much
to explore and then beyond this role. So there's a
lot of exciting things, you know that sirens initially, like
the earliest, earliest depiction and source of a siren was
(17:44):
a bird woman, right, and then it kind of molded
and merged into this idea of a mermaid, and that's
kind of what we think of now when we think
of a siren. Will we see Bianca in her non
human form at all?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I think so, I mean, I hope, so, I hope
so take my word for it, but I mean, it'd
be cool to see her in her expanded forms, and
to see the siren world as well. Honestly, we haven't
gotten to see that community as much. You know, in
Full Forest, we got to see a little bit in
season one, but it'd be cool to see what that
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environment and habitat looks like and how they relate to
each other as well. When I was going into season one,
and you know, the writers are always the showrunners have
always been very collaborative, and they asked us to come
with ideas for our characters. And one of the ideas
or how I sat down and thought about Bianco as well,
(18:42):
how would sirens function in the real world? How would
they appear, you know, amongst us, and I thought politicians,
perhaps lawmakers or a cult leaders, and so I you know,
that's kind of how the cult came into Benga's life.
But I'd also just love to go out into the
(19:03):
world and see what that looks like. You know, who
else are the people kind of you know, causing trouble
out there in the world of sirens and what does
that look like and what are the levels to it?
Because obviously it's a very powerful ability. So yeah, it'd
be nice to expand on that.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
That is so right on, I mean right a siren
uses her voice or their voice to control someone's mind.
A politician would be like, exactly what you would think
of for that? Interesting? All right, So you're like put
me in my Mermaid say, oh I am.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Ready, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I love that. I love that so much. What I
also love about you is that you're somebody who in
twenty twenty, I believe or during COVID you were thinking
about throwing in the house, oh and giving up acted.
I'm many many things, including a researcher, epic research. I'm
(20:01):
the geek, and I love people's stories. That's why I
do this. And I came upon that and was reading
that you were going to quit and then Wednesday came up, Yeah,
and you decided to go on that audition.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
So the first question is what made you say yes
to that audition when you were feeling like you were
done well.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
This is a fun story that I think I've told
a couple of times. Perhaps not the best way, but
pretty much. So. The audition wasn't Wednesday, I think it
was its code name and then Tim Burton Netflix. So
you can get the audition and you're like, I'm not
going to get this whatever. But typically for actors, especially
(20:39):
when you're coming up, it's really important who the caston
director is because that's where your relationship really is. That's
who your access is through, right, And so the casting
director was John Papsadera, and a couple months previous I've
always had, you know, I've been to his office a
couple of times at that point. But there was a
self tape that I did a couple months previous that
(21:01):
I knocked it out the park, but then I went
back to edit it and it was blurry, so but
I didn't have time to change it, and it's chop Apsidaria.
You can't be like, oh, I'm not gonna submit it,
so I had to send it in and I just
covered my eyes. So when I got the Wednesday audition
and I saw his name, I was like, oh my gosh,
I have to do the best audition of my life.
And it was four pages long, which typically could take
(21:22):
thirty minutes. Maybe did it for two hours because I
had to get it perfect. But that's how it all happened,
and so it really you know, I think that story
demonstrates what it's like to be consistent or to try
one's best, to be consistent and to deliver and execute
(21:43):
to the best of one's ability despite what you think
will come of it. Because I had no expectation that
I would end up on a Netflix show at Timberton
right right, you know. But I had my goal set.
I had my lane set of like, I'm an actor
and I need to make sure, excuse me, my relationship
this cast and director is good. So that's how it
(22:03):
all came together.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Thank god you went out for it, right, because, like
I said, you were contemplating if this is for you
for the rest of your life, And that's a question
I think many of us ask in different phases of
our careers and It's something I feel like you've asked
yourself on and off again over the years as an artist, Right,
Like you went to high school here in the city
and you left and weren't feeling treated the best and
(22:29):
thought is this for me? And then you know you
found it again, and then years later, pre Wednesday, you
were thinking of leaving again. So do you have to
fight to keep believing in yourself as an artist?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah? More than ever, more than ever. I mean, you know,
getting into Wednesday, I was immediately thinking, where's the playbook?
What do I do at this point? Right? Because I'm
going to be on this global stage and I don't
have any directions. I don't have any connections to the industry,
I don't know anybody. I don't know how to do this,
(23:03):
how to make sure everything goes right. And you know,
all my journey prepared me for Wednesday and everything that
it came with, thankfully, But there's so much more ahead
and I'm so determined to make the most of it
because I mean, actors in general, there's not a lot
of you know, opportunity for us. It's a lot of
(23:28):
luck as well, but especially given the state of the world,
there's so many isms that I'm fighting against constantly, and
also with the added pressure of Hollywood and keeping up
appearances and and doing all of that just so I
can continue doing the art that I love to support
(23:48):
the people that I love. So, you know, but I
approach that with faith and and and gumption, and I'm
ready for it. I'm not fearful at all. I'm not disempowered.
I'm very determined and excited.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
And you know, no for sure, I mean, we don't
know everything for sure, but I would imagine you know,
for sure you belong here.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's f I have to because
there's a lot of people that don't agree, and I
don't care for that opinion, and I want to bring
everybody along with me. It's a passion of mine to
pass on knowledge, especially to black actors, because a lot
of us don't have the roots in the industry that
(24:34):
other people do and don't know how to handle ourselves
in these global stages. Again, but I'm so determined to
show that we're all artists and we all have a
place in something to say, and it honestly brings me
joy to you know. Have that be a part of
my mission?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, I think that's really special. I feel like that
in a similar way, growing up as a gay man,
felt like I had to maybe work a little harder
and prove myself a little more and pave my own path.
And not that I remotely understand what it's like growing
up as you. I'm not a black person, right, I
(25:14):
am a gay man, but I understand what it's like
to fight to be seen and heard and valued, you know.
And I think it's a really cool thing when you
actually believe that you do belong somewhere.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, you have to because there's a lot of people
doubting themselves. And at the end of the day, none
of us should be limited in this human experience. All
of us should be able to create art and have
it seen and appreciated or at least witnessed, right, Yeah,
And the fact that there's these barriers and people who
can decide whether or not something should exist is wrong.
(25:47):
And it's such a privilege to be an artist. And
my only wish is to spread that privilege around that wealth.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I love that I love that isn't art just stand beautiful? Right,
It's so amazing, And to keep creating and doing something special,
Like I wrote a script I wrote a rom com
and it's based loosely based off my life and some
crazy things that have happened.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Oh it is.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
It is juice. And my husband read it and was like,
we need to have a conversation. We need to talk
about some of these scenes right now. Right what's that about?
Did that really happened? I said. The beauty of this
is you can figure out on your own terms of
what happened. I don't have to tell you everything. Let's
talk about something else, thank you. But yeah, I'm right right,
(26:30):
I'm like about something else, man, But I'm you know,
in the process of trying to get that made. And
it's just like to use what we were given and
grew up with in what we are, and to put
it into something that can hopefully better the world or
create joy. I think is such a beautiful thing. And
that's what you're doing with your work in your art,
and it's very clear that's a mission to you and
(26:51):
you're directing, which we're going to talk about in a
little bit as well. So it's it's a very exciting thing.
And I really appreciate the fact that you keep things
so and you talk about things in a way that
doesn't just glamorize you as this big Hollywood actress. You're like,
this is the reality of it. And you got Wednesday,
and you worked on Wednesday and people loved it. And
(27:13):
you've talked about how it was hard to get other
work between the seasons, and nobody would expect that you're
on Wednesday. You are on one of the most popular
shows in the world either, right, But it's like the
work and life of an artist. It doesn't always the
pieces don't always fall as easily as other people would expect.
And I imagine that also is something that when that
(27:35):
started happening between seasons, you had to figure out how
to handle for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
For sure, I mean I, unlike a lot of actors today,
thankfully had a bit of a floater right and was
able to support myself through that time. However, if I
didn't have that, I don't know where I'd be. I
don't know what my career outlod with look like, because
(28:01):
for a lot of people, they don't have the opportunity
to say no to a job that they don't respect
or don't see themselves in. But it was still discouraging
to recognize that I didn't actually have that many opportunities
to say no, it's and kind of being demoralized throughout
(28:22):
that and feeling like, wow, they I it's it doesn't
mirror everybody's experience, and so to look at myself in
the mirror and say, what is it about me that
doesn't that can't work at the same level, It can
be discouraging. And that's exactly what I fight against, because
(28:45):
I shouldn't have to feel that way, especially given the
fact that I show up and I do the work
and I'm consistent, right. But I've since learned to not
dwell in that space, and fully this year, you know,
I got to release a lot of that energy late
last year and then this year has just bloomed in
(29:07):
so many different ways. I got to work on a
project that completely healed me. Just the experience was the
best experience I've had working on set, just getting to
grow as an actor and to you know, be in
an environment that just nurtured everyone and empowered me to say,
(29:29):
it might be far and few between, but when it happens,
it's so worth it, and you put your all into it.
And to get that opportunity as an art as an
artist is again a privilege. Yeah, and I just want
everyone to experience that, and.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I think it's a good reminder for all of us,
no matter what career we're in, is that we can
be so passionate about what we do and love what
we do, and that's why hopefully we do what we
do career wise, but it also doesn't solely define us,
and there's so much more to us as well, and
it's learning how to figure out that part of who
we are so that when those hard times come up,
(30:13):
like we know, okay, you know what, this might suck
for a minute, but my worth isn't all that all
centered around that job or this career, because I'm other
things too, and we're going to get through this. You know.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
It's actually interesting because what I was straddling, the conflict
I was straddling, was not even necessarily like, oh, I
need another job, because you know, I just you know,
I just need But it's also having to choose between
having a lot so much of this angst towards something
that I love. Yeah, is such a huge burden to carry,
(30:45):
especially because you know, you're in community with other artists
and all you want to do is celebrate that art.
But it becomes hard when it feels like you're creatively
blocked yourself and not getting to access that and express
that was tough. And that's why I can only encourage
folks to work with other artists as much as you can,
because again, nothing should be able to stop you from
(31:10):
expressing yourself. And I think, and I'm so appreciative of
the moments where I got to be in community with
other artists. Yeah, because it got tough.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, and it lifts you up. And we all knew that.
But I mean, you have right now, you have so
much going on with the season three, you have other
projects you've done, you're directing, like, there's so much happening
for you. You might be playing Lauren Hill in a biopick.
I heard, do you want to break any news today?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
No? Gosh, what time is it? Oh? No, no, no news.
I have no news. Have you heard something?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I heard that you really want to play her in
a BIOPI.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I heard that too.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I don't know from who, well, you're putting it out
in the world, so I have to say, I did
not know that you're saying.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I did not know that either. Honestly makes my heart
jump because I'm such a nervous performer. So let's go
back to high school. I actually developed debilitating stage fright
as an actor while at theater school fun.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
As a result of how you were treated, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
And that's something that I had to work through. And
you know, my first few auditions, I was stuttering and
unable to speak, which to see how much I'm over
enunciating today it's a completely different person. And I had
to work through that, you know, lack of confidence. And
it's the same thing with singing, and it's the same
thing with directing. It's the same thing with the imposter syndrome.
(32:38):
It just oscillates between different trades. Honestly, I think singing
is my is my final boss. But I do think
I have a beautiful voice. It's just am very shy
about it.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Okay, so how are you going to get over being shy?
Are you going to start like dropping low key videos
on Instagram of youth singing?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You know what? That is the plan? That really is
the plan. I think also because as I went to
art school, there's such an emphasis on you know, correct
training and instruction, and I think and going to New York,
I mean they follows down the street like it's it
can be such a harsh world out there, and you know,
I don't know if you could tell, but I'm type
so I like to have my stuff. And so I
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think once I get over that block and recognize that
I do have the tools, it'll it'll be barreling out.
You won't be able to stop.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Oh we can't. So what's your favorite? What's your favorite
Lauren hillsong?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I would have to say it's Can't Take My Eyes
Off You. Yeah. I think that's such a sweet song
and it works for any relationship. And yeah, it just
has a lot of heart or lost ones.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Let me tell you, I could see it happening for you.
So I hope you stick within. I hope you do
it first person.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Anybody told me I ever looked like real's special?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Like, yeah, Well, and you have her in your new
directing project.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Will herself somebody who's very very I.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Should say, yes, hear her music? Can you imagine I
have Lauren Hill's in your project? Maybe I just manifested
it for you. Maybe there you go, But I hear
I heard you giving us a little musical something in
that too. So talk to me about all of this
the Take one series. Correct, Yes, you dropped something today
or yesterday today? What is this? What is it about? Like,
(34:32):
tell me everything?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
So Young Arts Take One, Well, firstly, Young Arts is
a beautiful organization that supports young artists you know and
around around the nation, and interdisciplinary artists come together for
a week and just create art together, and some of
them go on to get presidential recognition. All that jazz.
(34:55):
But the Take One project invites alumni to come together,
a lot of them haven't met before, and you choose
something to perform. Doesn't necessarily need to be a song,
can be you know, poetry piece, whatever, but the artists
come together and have a couple of minutes to rehearse
that day and then they have to you know, perform
(35:19):
all in one take. And so imagine my distress going
leading up to it, because I did not only one,
but two songs. Actually there's another one coming out. Oh,
but I was so nervous going into it because nobody's
(35:39):
seen I mean really nobody's seen things that I've directed,
and I haven't done it in a very long time,
ever since I left film school. And so imagine me
knowing that it would be coming out around the time
of this very public Yes, yes, and but I couldn't
be more grateful for how beautifully it came together. And
(36:02):
it was such a beautiful exercise for me and relinquishing
control and trusting, you know. I mean, I've always been
somebody who loves to trust the experts. But really, how
beautifully the artistry came together because I let go and
you know, just bear, you know, leaid witness to everyone
(36:25):
and what they had to bring to the table. It
was such a beautiful reminder of what we're all capable of.
We'll actually see in the next one that I'll be
releasing that one of the artists had to drop out
the day of, and so a singer had to drop
in and memorize a song that morning and do it.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Oh my god, I don't know how y'all do it.
It really is fun to watch. It feels like you're
witnessing something almost that you shouldn't be witnessing. Like it
just feels like you're in this world that you stumbled
into and you're watching these performers bring something into life
in a way that's so organic and natural and that
you shouldn't be there. It's the best way to describe it.
(37:03):
It's really a beautiful beautiful piece. How can people watch
this and see your next one?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
You can watch it on YouTube if you just search
young Arts, young Arts take one. Everything is Everything. It
should probably be the first one that pops up. But yeah,
please watch it. I think we'll eventually release it on
Instagram full. But go to YouTube, find it up there
and look out for the next one on September twenty fourth,
(37:30):
which is the day before my birthday, so you have
to watch because that's my birthday.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Gift. Happy early birthday.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
It's clear you light up talking about this and directing
in general, and that's such a fun different tool for you,
I know, right, it's so cool to see that. It
brings you so much joy.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, yeah, it's and I'm thank you for saying that,
because you know, again, I have these urges and instincts
to do these things, but I talk a lot to
convince myself and think that I don't believe it, but
you say and that shows me that no, there's something
coming up from the inside that wants to come out.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So yeah, and honor and continue honoring it. Right, Nobody,
nobody can put us in a box and say you're this,
this or that, like this is an outlet for you
that's going to continue growing. And it's really really, I'm
not kidding you, guys, it's a really beautiful piece. I
hope you I hope you go watch it. It's just
it's done so beautifully. So congrats to you on that. Man,
(38:32):
is there anything you can't do? You're like, no, nope,
I can't draw.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I can't draw, Okay, I can't draw, and that that
that's something that I'll on the front.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Well, at least you have one flaw. I don't feel
as inadequate as I do sitting across from you anymore.
So thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Oh my goodness, I actually had an answer.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Oh my god. I don't want this conversation to add.
But the name of the show is called I've never
said this before, and it was born because I cover
a lot of red carpets and a lot of junkets,
which you are no stranger to. And you know, in
a carpet, you get two minutes with somebody in a junket,
maybe six, and it's just not a space for real,
(39:23):
meaningful conversation. It's a very headline based You guys are
asked a lot of the same stuff because every show
and out that wants their question, you know, to have
their own bite with I always trying to make it
personal at least with one question, but it's just a
different format. And I left so many carpets being like,
I feel like I see a look in the people's
eyes who I'm talking to where they're just like I
(39:43):
just want more, Like I just want to be able
to say something more. And that's how the show was born,
to give people the space to come on and say
something that they don't get the chance to always say
in a rushed environment. And it can mean whatever it
means to you. But is there something to that you
can think of that you've never had a chance to
say that you want to say.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
You know, I've thought long and hard about this because
I am somebody who you can tell has a lot
of different plots on the stove. So I'm gonna leave
here today and be like durg I should have said that.
But I think what's resting on my heart largely is
the state of the world. I'm one person, and very much,
(40:27):
very often it can feel, especially with my platform. Even
though I just said like it's awesome that I get
to use it, it's also really scary, you want to
do it in the right way. But at the end
of the day, I know what my beliefs are, I
know what I stand for. I know that I yearn
for a free Congo, Freezidan, free Palestine, and I hope
(40:52):
that we all can embrace even if we don't know
the best way to go about something, that we don't
stop ourselves from doing it. And that applies to so much.
Right it applies to our artistry, but it also applies
to our community, and it applies to whatever you can
do to make this world a better place. Which sounds
(41:16):
very imagine cover from twenty twenty, but yeah, the COVID cover.
But no, I just really hope that we can all
just do the little bit that it takes to try
to affect change. It doesn't always have to be a donation.
(41:37):
It doesn't always have to be going on into the
streets or you know whatever. It's a nice one. You
can do that. But there's also ways to engage in
community care that can expand someone's hearts that they can
care for the topics that you care about. We need
to heal our world and we are responsible for that.
Nobody else is going to do that. On our behalf
(41:58):
and we need to take risks, we need to put
ourselves out there. So I've never said that before.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Well, that's beautiful. I can tell you're very passionate about
wanting to create change in meaningful ways to you and
you want to encourage people that every single person counts
in making a change. Nothing's too small, right, no matter
what the cause is, or the topic is, or the
issue is. It's just we all want to fight for
what's right in the world. And I can tell it's
(42:26):
very very important to you.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
It is, and it's it is scary. It is scary,
but it's also the least that I could do well.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
And you're valid in also worrying sometimes about having the
burden of the platform because people are very quick to
jump on and judge and say things behind a keyboard
and make you feel less than or like you did
something wrong or invoke an opinion that nobody asked for.
So you also have to go through all of that.
(42:56):
So it's finding your voice and being true to yourself
will also now begating sometimes a very toxic digital world.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah right, yeah, I mean that's why I like to
take steps back from it, which is tough when a
lot of the time your employment is contingent on being online.
But I also implore people to remember what it's like
to be outside, into the people in the eyes and talk.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Well. I could talk to you forever. I really can,
and I'm so happy for everything you have going on.
I know the world is still enjoying Wednesday season two?
Are you filming season three? Are you going off to
film three this year? You don't know, no idea?
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, you know more than me.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Okay, okay, so cbd TBD TBD. Well we I know
are going to be very excited for that. Everybody, go
watch the Take one series everything. Go watch Jo Sunday. Yes, girl,
you better put that in you better say that.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yes no, Please support those young artists. They were just
amazing and put their all into it, and I'm just
so happy and grateful that it all came together.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Well, thank you, my dear. This was so fun and
I can't see you do more and more and more
come back anytime. This was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
I want to I want to do a podcast.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
With you, right like co host? Did you just pitch
me co hosting a show together?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Could we do that?
Speaker 1 (44:17):
We can do anything in anything we want anything we.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Want, like limited series.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
You know, we can fit it in between the next
season and Wednesday, you know, and all the other things
you have going on.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Well, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Don't
be a stranger.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
I will not be, you know what. I'll be back
here in the spring hopefully. Okay, going to be on
an HBO show so Mike draw might see see me again.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I can look forward to it. It's been block I
look forward to it. Thank you, bye. I've Never said
this before. It is hosted by Me Tommy Didario. This
podcast is executive produced by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and
by Me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never
Said This Before is part of the Elvis Duran podcast
(45:03):
network on iHeart Podcasts. For more rate review and subscribe
to our show and if you liked this episode, tell
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