October 14, 2025 • 65 mins
Fat Joe and Jadakiss are BACK and they're digging in the crates to break down the best debut rap albums in hip hop history. They talk about the legacies of albums like 'Illmatic' by Nas, 'Ready To Die' by The Notorious B.I.G., 'Get Rich Or Die Tryin'' by 50 Cent, 'It's Dark And Hell Is Hot' by DMX, 'Straight Outta Compton' by N.W.A., 'Reasonable Doubt' by Jay-Z, 'Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik' by OutKast, 'The Chronic' by Dr. Dre, and many more. Take a walk down hip hop's memory lane as Joe and Jada swap stories about Big Pun, Grand Puba from Brand Nubian, The Game, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, and a whole list other rap legends.
5:15 - 'Illmatic' the BEST album EVER?
7:15 - 'King Of Rock' by Run-DMC
10:25 - 'Criminal Minded' by Boogie Down Productions
12:30 - 'Yo! Bum Rush The Show' by Public Enemy
15:00 - 'Paid In Full' by Eric B & Rakim
17:45 - 'Straight Outta Compton' by N.W.A.
20:30 - 'Three Feet High And Rising' by De La Soul
28:00 - 'People's Instinctive Travels And The Paths of Rhythm' by A Tribe Called Quest
29:15 - 'Making Trouble' by Geto Boys
31:15 - 'Mr. Scarface Is Back' by Scarface
33:15 - '2Pacalypse Now' by Tupac
36:00 - 'Too Hard To Swallow' by UGK & 'The Great Adventures Of Slick Rick' by Slick Rick
40:15 - OutKast & Juvenile
41:15 - 'Juvenile Hell' by Mobb Deep
42:30 - 'It's Dark And Hell Is Hot' by DMX
44:15 - 'Capital Punishment' by Big Pun
48:30 - 'Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)' by Wu-Tang Clan
51:00 - 'One For All' by Brand Nubian
58:30 - 'Get Rich Or Die Tryin'' by 50 Cent
1:01:30 - 'Reasonable Doubt' by Jay-Z
1:03:15 - 'Bacdafucup' by Onyx
1:05:00 - 'The Documentary' by The Game
1:06:30 - 'Ready To Die' by The Notorious B.I.G.
1:08:00 - 'Faces Of Death' by Bone Thugs-N-Harmony
1:11:45 - 'The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill' by Lauryn Hill
1:13:30 - 'Hard Core' by Lil' Kim
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah, Yeah, what up, y'all? This is sat Yoe, it's
your boy Jaden kiss. You know what it is that
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This is the evergreen version of both of those. Let
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about the time, like they're changing the whole swagging their ship.
But they still got dingy black T shirts on. They
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we talk that shit, it is what it is. Viral mania, man,
I mean, this is what it is. I just like
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(01:41):
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or alive, and you got Joe Crackhead.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Oh you fucking can't lose.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Can't lose, And so today we want to do whateveren
meaning you know, we don't need a guess, we don't
need none of that tell you the truth. Some of
our well, we love all our guests. For some of
our greatest shows have been just me and you discussing
hip hop. Because we've been around since day one. You
know I was you know you've been around.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Since day No, No, I've been around. I've been since
day three or four. You've been. I've been around since
day two you think two? Right, since yay two? Day one.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I was just a kid, the baby watching him do it.
But I watched him do it. Ruby Deeve grew up
around the corner. First Latino MC. He was shot down
the blot. No, no, he was in Fantastic Romantic five
shot Rock.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
The first female MC.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
What's the name of the legendary movie Man, wild Stuff,
Wow Stuff, Movie Di is in that and they battling
with Charlie Chase and Cold Crush, grand Master Cas and them.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, Ruby D's in there.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But what I'm trying to take my neighborhood, Melly Male,
grand Master Flash, all of them.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
You know, I felt like, guys.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Wasn't doing this right, like we you know, what is
the reason why when we watched and t You see
Charles Barkley, you see Shaquille O'Neill, you see Kenny Smith.
These are all legendary figures that have been through everything
in the basketball game. So I said, yo, me and
Jada got to get into this. The subject we came
up with today, it's a legendary subject. Is artists other
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religious argument another religious Hey, that's what it's about. You know,
me growing up even more than growing up, even when
I was in the streets, we would break night just
argueing about who's the greatest rapper, who got the best bars,
who got shot out?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
My boys shop.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
We used to go to one forty eight and he
used to like day and to day and I used
to like slick Rick. That's just normal shit in the hoods.
So today I don't think it's a debate or nothing
like that. But we're thinking about the best debut albums
from an artist.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Whoa best debut albums from an art artist, not groups artists,
not artists.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
It could be whatever, but it's really really it could
be grouped. It's my art and being forever. You could
be here.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
We can be here forever because Illmatic might be the
best piece of art ever made in hip hop records.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Nas Illmatic pure hip hop that tates my life. What
was it like? It was written better?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You know, I got which the barber says the same thing,
which the barber says the same I did.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Something to my soul, but it was written did something
to my blood stream.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
That's the second album. It was feel like it was written.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
It was like it to me, Illmatic just just changed
the whole game, change how everybody was rapping. You know,
Na's coming from a legendary project like Query under mc
shan and Mally mal and all these guys, and then
it gave you a modern day glimpse at the time
(05:08):
of what Queensbridge was about. And so to me, you know,
well that's crazy because you know I got some friends
who say, man, but I ain't King of Rat the
King of Rock debut album nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
King of Rock, Run DMC taught us how to dress.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Uh, they with the Blazers, with their didas they had
the first endorsement ever.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
You know what doors that come back.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You know what's crazy is I remember when we get
the fiftieth anniversary in Yankee Stadium. I felt like they
did him wrong because they made them close even though
it's run DMC, because it was like late.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
They started like two in the morning.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Took that show down to two days and one day
should have been been No ainybody happened? I agree, boy,
I gotta wait there, Audien. I mean man, when Rudy
was on the show, I was on the sprint watching it.
When run DMC came out and it was like the
Kings of Raw.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You knew that this was like you two rolling Stones,
the Legends of All Legends, the Blueprint that this on
on and on on. I was watching it like a
little kid. I performed already. I went upstairs with my family.
I was like, Yo, this is unlike I can't believe.
Oh they made music like this, and I could tell you.
(06:36):
I was in junior high school and at the time
the Treacherous Three, they had that lights. Camera asked me
cool with the ax shunk come come up, and everybody
was rocking to dad at a talent show. I was
at a talent show, you know. I sung John Hall
and what is it? John Alles? I sung on stage
(06:56):
she only come out and not the meaning now only
eye nothing could do.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I've seen it say it before.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Meanwhile, everybody's dancing hip hop and three girls.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
All the crack Hall the track Junior High, Junior High.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I think you almost had to join the talent show.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I did a talent show. Yeah, I think it was
part of the curriculum. And man, these three girls came
on and they and they told the DJ to play
and they played that. It's like that, and that's the
way I watched hundreds of kids and the Bronx created
(07:38):
hip hop.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I don't know any other way to explain it to you.
They was not ready to give it to any other
borough or whatever. When that shit came on, I watched
all the kids in the whole Junior High look at
each other life.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
It was like an alien. It was like AI with
some new shit.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Everybody looked at each other life Oh it's sofa and
these are the new kings of hip hop.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
It was one play.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
The whole auditorium was like, oh my god, what's this?
So Run DMC definitely they cracked in the whole, the whole.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I don't think me and you have a TV.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
We don't have a podcast right now. If it ain't
for Run DMC, I don't think we got nothing. They
took this game to the next level.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
It ain't from who else you're thinking about, Biggie Damn Productions.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Man, criminal Minded came nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
But.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
You talking, I wasn't even going there like that teacher
staying in the Bronx.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
No, Run DMC made.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
It on a higher level when you talk about street
nineteen eighty seven was a fucking crazy year. It was crazy, right,
holy criminal minded, criminal minded? You know care uss one
sucked us in horse shit all right?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah yeah, swa whoa who.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
He got us on the cover looking like Malcolm X
with a machine gun. But at the same time he
was kicking consciousness and the music. The first time I
ever heard consciousness in music was criminal Minded, you know.
And uh him, Scott LeBrock, you know the story behind him.
He was homeless, and then they became the biggest and
(09:34):
they represented my borough. For me, I was willing to
die for care Us One that didn't even know him,
just felt like he was my idol. He was the icon,
he was the he was the Hercules of the Bronx
and uh South Bronx. I remember I was in Courtland
Avenue and the DJ came and said, we got a
(09:55):
new artist.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
It was care Less One.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
He was this skinny He had a Bob Marley T
shirt on across the hat. He did the South Bronx.
By the time he did the South Bronx, he did
it twice. By the time he did it again, the
whole block party was going South Bros South South Bral.
So it was like a one listen and the next
thing you know, that ship was crazy, criminal minded. To me,
(10:20):
one of the greatest albums ever made the hip Hop Records.
But of course one billion percent I'm biased.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Now we're gonna take it this long Island kill bum
rushed the show, Public Enemy Man, Public Endemia Flavor, the
S one W Terminator Act.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
He should have had the first sunglasses.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Deal you wearing those glasses right now because the Terminator acts, Nigga,
you ain't bullshit.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Terminator Acts should have had the first class deal.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Well, I'll tell you at the first averageing Flavor Flag
the first reality showed to me, Flavor Flave was just
it's so weird because Chuck Chalking all this black militant,
all this, and Flavor Flavors nine one one to joke
like he's just Flavor was like the funny guy from
the block and the two. It's almost like fat Joe
(11:18):
and Jaden like nobody thought. No, I'm not saying I'll
be Flave. I don't got a problem. I love Flavor flav.
The point I'm saying to you is our dynamics. Somebody
could have looked at this podcast to begin with it
at oh no, no way, Jaden's Joe gonna work. But
(11:38):
somehow the chemistry is perfect. You got Chuck d h
talking as ship and then you got Flavor Flave, who's
really a bug out and but we love him.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
He got his own dance, his own ship and so on.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
They just kicked in the door for black consciousness and
they birthed I think I want to say they birthed everybody,
like the Paul Righteous Teachers, that all the groups that
came out after them preaching the message consciousness. But their
beats was ridiculous. The beats who did the beats again.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
For the for Tink shocked leading the.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I Ain't shocked leading a bomb squad did Ice Cubes
album too after he had when he.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Came over, he came overhead the long Noland. They came
going in too much, going too fast. I'm going too fast.
I don't know what the fuck the lissen you're.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
In nineteen right now, we skipped it and we just
doing like tutorials of we got away from what we
was told.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You know what I think.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I think you have a timeline and I'm fried, like
I'm fried.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
No, look my ship twenty twenty five, shite seven, my
shit off being rock Kiem nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Man paid the full nigg we can stop right here,
paid it in full. Do you know how.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Credible that them real ups in that fucking jail, them
pull ups.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Sniggas left and then yeah, they.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Taught you, you say to fuck with them jail niggas
in the gym. Them nigga got you tortured. Right now,
you got about a week fracture you'll be good at
And we the small Asian lady. Oh my okay, oh
you hot Rocks sounds like the good ship and.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
They ship like that old you Hot Rocks rescue.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I mean pay the full change the game, tap it
damn jackets, big truck, crazy ship that can lock the
store up with ropes.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Rose Royce at least Rose Royices. Yeah, early when you do.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Old fashion, he had that Rose roycees early ahead of
time doing shit. They had the whole Brooklyn with him,
Killer Ben for Fourth Green, Supreme Magnetics, the fifty second,
the original stick Up Kid.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I mean they came with Crazy our fifth endto that Yo.
They came with the whole package and the music. Some
people do rocking the best of all time.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
They don't know that it was Eric Bee's record deal
and they put him with Rock Him.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Eric B had the deal. That's why I never understood
that it's not Rock Him and Eric B.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, well the DJ was always Jadsey, Jeffing Fresh, Prince
Back at that time.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
It was Grand Master of Flash and the Furious Five.
You B had to deal with you.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
What I heard from them is Eric B had the
record deal and they went and put him with Rock.
You know what I'm saying, man, they put him with
the best. Hell, that's another one of them. Joe and
Jada they put, they put to make this work, and
they worked fucking tremendous.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
You know, I think I got my whole ice grilled
from every B when Eric B used to be like No,
I'm telling Eric B is.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
The first nigga that was Dead series and hip hopis
the ice crill. Whenever I never forget, I shot my shot.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I shot Pun's first video, right, it's Ray Kwan me Nori,
and I threw on the sky Blue shoot and I
slipped behind Pun Punk was wrapping you on my dollar dollar,
and I got this ice grill. And the whole time
I'm telling them, I'm like, yo, this the Eric B.
It's a remember I got to be Eric Beat. You know,
(15:31):
he used to stand with Ray rock Kim. I had
to be Fat Joe the rapper when Pun Rap I
could be Eric B. So I'm standing back there with
the ice grill like dalling Darling bab Man. And then
and then and then and then changed our lives. Who
else you got on the list nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Straight out of company. Whoay, some boys came fucking spress yourself.
They came talking that crazy shit. Man.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You want to know where I was at when I
first heard NWA count I was in one twenty fifth
and Dapper Dan, and that shit came up on there
on video music box. And when I tell you, it
was noisy. Everybody was doing anything. The whole fucking place
stopped in silence and looked up at the screen. Was
(16:27):
like and easy, and the niggas had the flame throwers
and they went fuck coughed and they won it for
the copsters. Anybody who was there, it changed their life
right then and there. Me as a rapper around that time,
I was thinking about getting into rap. They let me
know you could rap about anything. Fuck the police, don't matter,
(16:50):
just don't bite. It's the world. Like they was doing
shit that nobody else was doing, so they like transformed
me as a I never forget yet. After I discovered
NW eight, I was in my aunt's not my aunt's,
my grandmother's house at Washington. I wrote a rhyme and
the rhyme completely turned into fuck you suck my dick,
(17:13):
your mother, this that, this, this, this like the influence
because we had never seen nobody running from the cops.
We had never seen nobody saying fuck the police. We
never we heard stories like the message, Grandmaster Flash and
Furious Five. We heard songs like that, but we never
seen somebody dedicate a whole classic album to that. And
(17:37):
you see the careers that spawned off. You got Doctor Drake,
some say the greatest producer of all time. You got
mc wren, you got ice Cube, you got easy E,
all these guys, Yo, DJ Yeller, all these guys. They
had DC around the top board. DC was one of
my favorites. Man, oh my god, the form you look.
(18:00):
But you know the we got Dre beats because of
that ship. You know what I'm saying. So the legs
and the people they put in the game. You know,
no Doctor Dre, no Eminem, no Doctor Dre, no fifty cent,
no game.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Like that whole album, just like Snoop dog poun Snoop.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Dog Pound, like Doggy styt Doggy Style gotta be on
this list.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I'm jumping ahead of time here.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
You got it, you in the time caps. I do
not know your list, you know, lies ahead of which.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I'm going off the top. There's a free style straight
out of Compton. Can't be next to Doggy Staff, No, no,
it's way earlier. They are soul Man nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Pot Holes in my refeeding rise, pot holes in my before.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I'm a little bit younger, so you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Okay, Okay, So they Soul had gangster guys like me
that was running blocks, that was doing all type of
wild shit, playing boom boom boom answering service. I cal
say this sorockerty and a man abody like I knew.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I knew I was an asshole.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I remember driving into Benz looking at dudes ice, grilling
them and and playing.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Answering service like I say that Paraga. They had to
be yo these guys all the way. Lose these guys.
It's crazy. Day O Soul start started that whole preppyat college,
Daisy Age. I believe they started all that Queen Latifa
mony love jutip, the native tongue thing. I want to say,
(19:48):
could be it could be a trial court quest. Well,
I want to say that all brought all that ship
to give her. The first time I seen kids being
in classrooms and videos and being nice guys.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
It wasn't just I got it made. It was day
Lot Soul.
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Speaker 2 (22:06):
Now that right there was totally different. The production on
that album. They probably had the best quality that we
heard till that moment. They had the first like audio
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Speaker 3 (22:24):
That shit was crazy, y'all.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I might have played that album one thousand times, bro
two thousand when Biggie says, well tape pop till my
tape pop that ship. That album was such a work
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(22:48):
what they started tryp coll Quest. To this day musically,
I believe we should act some producers that to this day,
I think producers study uh that first album and and
how they put that ship and they were so futuristic.
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and this and that.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Like they they they was far ahead of their time.
Salute q Tail in nineteen ninety one, man.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Ali Shahib Scarface, mister Scarface, who the fucking fred.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So Scarfaces before the Ghetto Boys because I got the
album as the class.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Oh shit, I missed it. Ghetto Boys is nineteen eighty nine. Okay,
rip it on that other level Boom other than Kang King,
the Kompang Them Bang Ticket thing Coman.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Bang that Ain't mind playing Can't Sleep now that that's
on that album, that first album. That song alone changed
my life and let us know that there was guys
in the South.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Kicking gangs the shit.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Everything cinematically from the videos to the music, it was crazy.
I remember what's the video with Scarfaces? The girls count money.
He goes in her bron pulls out the money like
she stole the money. You know what I'm saying in
the video, I mean Scarface is every rapper's favorite rapper.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
He's jay Z's favorite and reacts him. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Besides Big Scarface, him and the ghetto boys, Willie D.
Bushwick Bill. I used to hang out with Bushwick Bill.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yes, man, I've been around a long time.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Maybe the Fever. It might have been the fever. I'm
the first guy took Scarface in the Bronx. I took
her to the projects. He was like, you guys live
like this because you know, Texas even to this day,
is all spread out. He couldn't believe that we had
twenty floors of dudes living in the jets.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I took him to the Wedge, the Wedger Hunts Point.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I mean, I'm a ghetto new at that time, I
was straight ghetto, So you wasn't gonna get nothing but
ghetto from me. I'll never forget. He asked me a
Biggie song came on. What the first biggie sold? He
was like, Yo, who's that guy?
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Man?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I like Biggie Swans It's like, Yo, he's fire. He
was like, yeah that guy dope. You know what I'm saying. So, Uh,
the ghetto, the ghetto boys, you know, shout out Jay Prince.
You know, we always try to shout out Texas, Bappo Loot,
they independent game, Houston, Dallas, Houston, Dallas. I just came
from that North.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Worth, San Antonio, Austin nineteen ninety one. Then now it's
mister Scarface nineteen ninety one. Scollfaces back.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
That's what that came.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Scarface is back. What the what kind of impacts call
Face had to you? Was you too young?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Or it was around yourn we I mean heard of
the Ghetto Boys first, then Face, and it seemed like
he just gravitated to to what I was doing and
what I wanted to do.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Well, man, he's some of the besize the ghetto boys.
Some of the first ships we've seen from Houston for
me was Scarface video. He's legend that mister mister Scarface. Huh.
You know what happened with that album right there?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I think it was the first time I went down,
uh to the atl and you remember, ah, what is
it New Jack City? Remember the Brown Scared Girl dancing
to I want to say, ask you up that shit?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Never like a man.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I fell in love with that song from that girl
dancing and that she was like Keisha from Belly the Girl.
Remember even they was fighting over she had the red
sinin Man. You remember that I went in the atl
Strip Club for the first time and there was some
girl up there dancing to that mister, mister scarface. I
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drove back to New York that song ten thousand times
just thinking about that girl dancing to that shit. And
that's how influence you. We watched like videos and shit
like that. You might love a visual and then you
start to gravitate and love that song.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Shout out the scarf face.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Another one in nineteen ninety one, Tupac Apocalypse.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Now, I don't really know too much about that one.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, it was very early. You know, we talked about
the greatest debut albums. You know what I'm saying, so
too Tupac. You know all lives on me. All that
other work was more prolific than the first album. Now,
I can tell you much. What was on the first album.
Brenda's Got a.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Baby Apocalypse now is the first Brenda Got a Baby?
You know that was that think I could have did
that stop?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
You know Brenda's got a baby, was like very all
it resonated. You know, my projects are saying a lot
of ship man I've.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Seen on telling me seeing a baby in the golf.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
What I'm gonna tell you is that I watched dudes
jump off the roof on angel dust though y no
of the day, somebody was on dust jumped off the roof.
Damn he's still doing that. How about this, somebody in Yo?
(28:25):
What kind of day is this? Somebody went outside the
smoke a cigarette. Somebody jumped off the roof and landed on.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Joe. What kind of comment?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yo?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yo yo? That's yo, yo, yo yo. That's your cat show. Yo.
Let me go to let me go blow a bogie
with a person. So he's done too right? Double dead?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
No way, Holy shit, I heard everything I think you
ever think about.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
When they say the plane crash, that shit.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Really fall down on somebody house and motherfucker, imagine you
in your house and a plane full of you gone,
that's it a play?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
What kind of fucking luck is that? Double dad? Who's
he your hearst? Who's he your hearst? Leave you? Double dad? Huh?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I'm a bubblehead. I never listened to nothing. My mama said, Yo, what.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I was gonna tell you is that that was happening
in the hood, that girls couldn't come home, unfortunately and
tell their parents they were pregnant. They would do the
baby leaving the Chinese spiders. We're not telling them to
do that. We never said that was right, but they
was doing that. That's what Brenda Got a Baby was about.
Poor Brundon sh nineteen ninety two man UGK two all
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to swallow, rest in peace, PIMC shout out to my
brother bun gonna be gunn In the UGK.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Story from the Yeah, I was there when Pimpsy got
locked up in the Ati. He pulled the choppers out
the chart he was about to shoot the place, and
I was there at the boxing match.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yes, sir, Pimpsy was different. He's uh. He was one
of them guys just don't give a fuck. And if he.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
If he felt the way about you, he tell you
right to your face right there and now he really
I used to really see him walking around with white
furs and ship like that, like the video.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
It was like a pimp.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
He was Pimpsy and he was, and he's far from
pussy and if you fucked with him, he was gonna
do what he had to do.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
What you got next, brother nineteen ninety two, Why are
we going through the years? Man? Just call out the
most of it. You get too what I do now?
Oh my god, he should be fucking punished.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Guy who sent this stupid ass our pack.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
He put his greatest debuts on there.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
That's why everything it fucked those just sums that he
believes his greatest debut.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yea while, we y'all ain't touching that man like I'm
touching no on slicks.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
It's great event.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Rickis definitely your great Adventures is slick Rickets by far
one of the greatest greatest albums of all fucking times.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I don't give up in any genre of music, not
even just rap, in music in general. Mollotle fuckers.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I was living in a crackhead hotel. I came out,
true story, left my mother's house when I was like fourteen.
House do the same day. So most disrespectful shit you
can think of in the world. Imagine your kid leaves
your house at fourteen. You look out the window. He's
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selling crack that ass an hour lady, he's outside like
little Joey is outside. And although I used to act
tough for my age group, I had to actually sleep
in the crackhead hotel. It was like thirty five dollars
for the night. When I tell you they was busting
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dudes heads open with forty ounces all night, or your
hurt was the cops wee weird they busting dudes heads open.
I opened my hotel door and women were shooting heroin
in the aide apidemic.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Open the door, they shooting dope in my face.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Meanwhile, I'm staying here by myself and all I'm playing
is Slick Rick music in my headphones to get me
through the night. And so he gave me the courage
to even just make it to the next day and
get back on my shit. So even though I was
living that type of life, I was terrified. Slick Rick's
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music is what got me through that time. What else
you got for me?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Brother?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
You don't even want to have nine from me on.
So I did not say anumatic way too.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Early ships out. I mean, it ain't e many of
that time. It ain't no timeline REASONA moved out. Okay,
I want to say shot Shorty fucking black Moon into
the stages, fucking lazy.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
What it did for me, the flows, their meeting, the flow.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Anything into the stage is one of the greatest debuts.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Is his debut. Yeah, that's his first album. We're going there.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
We gotta go to the original. We gotta go to
Gangstar uh his freemo. What's their first album? Ship Jesus Christ,
Gangstar Yo Primo one of the greatest producers of all time.
Him Gurgle gul to me was like a professor.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
He was like a Malcolm X said hip hop.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
He was talking that shit, that consciousness, but in a
slick tone, way ahead of his time. Let me tell you,
I'm gonna go back to the South. I'm gonna say
ourcast Southern playerlistic. This is what we hear about outcast
is Southern player. This is the first time I ever
saw them videos in the backwoods and all that. We
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had some brothers in the ATL putting it down who
love hip hop. That was like real pure hip hop
too as well, and that started we think about all
the shit that ATL brought After that, they kicked that
bitch off. Then we get the Goodie Marb and everything else.
We Southern playerlistic. I want to go to Juvenile's four
hundred degrees. You heard they mentioned the versus, Yeah, cash
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money and no limit. Juvenile four hundred degrees.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Album was great.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
That whole movement when they came out just took the
world a storm.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
They pronunciation of words, this everything. They shifted ship, he
shifted ship, shut out. The Jude Jewry is still active.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I know them all over the place, but we gotta
go out. Mob Deep first album, the first.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Album is not the infamous. If you're a real mob
Deep thing, it's not the first month ha ha. That
ain't their first What was their first?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Sonyle? Hell, this is their first album. How is the
Little Kids juvenile?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Hell? They was little, they was young. They don't make
the listing because they the first two going off album. Yeah,
they debut album is Juvenile. Hell the debute to the
world on better. So they can't make that. But the
Infamous still the infamous.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
To the word they throw out the Holy girl hip hop,
Infamous is holy.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Some people say the best album ever made. Some people
say that I drove around like a couple of months
ago with Rich the Barber. He knew every word and
we just drove around with ice grilled people. We just
on our shit. We felt tight grilled people, y'all. We
felt tough. But that ain't their debut, So that's not
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what we're talking about. We're talking about the debut. We're
talking about your man DMX. Hell Hell is sh shit.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Dazy, and a lot of that shit is all old.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
How about that he came out so five million with
old rhymes.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
That's crazy because I get mad at people.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Who want to bring back old shit, Like I'll be
like yo getting the studio work right now.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
He took records in rhymes that I heard him, so
he heard him before years before the world and it's
still with five wasn't the same beat, wasn't the same
rhymes though, it was not all of them, just a
nice percentage of that first album.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
We heard it before in Wio. It was still powerful.
And what was that like to see him? I mean,
you know you're around.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
He was already a yaw, was already like he was
already a star in Wyo.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
In every hood. When he come through, it was he
can put on. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
He used to do shows in the school twelve and
he had a big battle. He had an infamous battle.
He had two battles, but one of them is more
better than all with another with another iconic dude rapper
from Wyo, Bill Blast Mega Blast, and then.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Had a big battle. It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
That ship was over like five in the morning. Everybody
spent the night at my house. Almost got my ass
killed because my moms came. You was out there, everybody
you was watching. I couldn't miss that. That was part
of I rather did anything than I missed that shit.
I don't care what the kind to Quincy's was. You
couldn't miss that of you was for a while. Actually
they get paint staff versus DMX.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
You know what I'm saying. She was dope, man. She
was history and wild.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
You know, big punk Capital Punishment on my executive producer debut,
I feel like Pum was ahead of his time. A
lot of those guys that we got featured on this
album and all that was like they came on the.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Strength of me. They didn't even know who Pum was.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
But I also knew that the minute I pressed play
and they started hearing the music that they were gonna
want to get on the album. So everybody you hear
on that Capital Punishment album, they came most of them
even thought they was doing songs with me. I was
already already had two albums out, and when they came,
I was like.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Now you got to hear my man and man.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
That album was speaking for itself since the first day
we went in there. It just kept getting better and
better and better, and then so on. The dream Shatterer
had to ill a beat before it was like a victory,
like a like a biggie victory. It was like the
beat was too fucking you don't A lot of minds
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are known the state and it's all. It was crazy,
but it was just a beautiful joy effort. And you know,
first soloist Latino artists to sell two million records change
the game. I think we had ten thousand platinum parties.
Everywhere we went it was a platinum part then used
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a brain. I think punt I had the same people
bringing the same platte. We'll be in the tunnel anywhere, yo, platinum,
start reincarnating the fucking platinum shit.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
You know he was.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
He was witty, He was incredible lyrically phenomenal, and he
puts some hits out the park Man that capital punishment
when it sets off with that, I gave you fair
warning and man, and you know what's crazy is being
that I'm part of this album. You know, it's hard
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for me to be from the outside there. I always
wondered what rappers felt like when they heard Pun's first
album and you here, they'll beware, and what that felt
like when you press play on that thing.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
No, I really knew what was going on with Pun Man.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Pun was on the first Man Pun albums came out together,
my first album in Capitol Punishment.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
We was on a lot of promo together. Back then.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
They would you know, the labels with he was on
planes together. That's the first time I seen somebody with
an extra buckle, an extra seat belt. Pun with the
first person that he get on, they give him a
stend though, and he's sitting on me O Jaya. They
gotta give me the thing.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Me, that's some that's just ill.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
He get on the handle of an extra stendo seat
belt buckle.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, I knew Pun was my nigga. You know what
I mean? We had Pun was that nigga man. I
used to be there.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
He used to be snapping on you, snapping on DJI rock.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Pun was crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Iraq was the best. He's up upstate. Your man Pun.
We did the Apollo around this time, and we went
and got We went five thousand and one. We got
the match in first. We had like the gray Furst
and inside and set big Pun inside and said, fat Joe,
I'm sure somebody got that somewhere, and I ain't gonna
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lie to Apollo. Gave us like twenty thousand dollars. That
was a big deal. When I was doing flow, Joe
was getting five hundred. Show your man Pun, we get.
That's the first money we ever got like that. Twenty
thousand dollars brand pack. I never forget. Evro was there,
Your man Pun. Dig in his pockets and throw the
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whole twenty grand in the crowd. No, I wanted my
two thousand, and I wanted my tent. I almost jumped
in the crowd after the money. I'm standing next to him.
It's like, fuck, daddy, throw the money. We just spent
ten thousand on furs. I'm like, yo, I try to
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jump back in there and grab the buddy.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
It was over.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
He was a true rockstar, Like we seen the gout
the game yesterday. He was a ridy riddy piper. He
was a Rick Flair. He was a rioty ridy piper,
real flag.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
He was an artist artist. You know.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
He would pull up the DMX album signing in a
limo and start throwing a hundred dollars bills at dmxis
fans and his crowd. Like he was just different. I'm
gonna go, you know, I'm always all over the play.
I'm gonna say, Woo tag thirty six chambers.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, that was at that's another world shifter. Nine dudes
from shouting nine.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I thought it was like thirty thirteen thirteen of them, right,
it's nine.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Originals, might be one hundred add on docus bro.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
I almost smacked my son one time. He did.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
He did the back. But this back in the days.
He's a grown man now. But I asked him when
he was like fourteen to fifteen, Yo, give me all
the members of Woo Tank couldn't say they man, I
was about the small.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
I was like, yo, ma, man I smacked his ship
out of you. You don't know that all the members
of Woo tight, No, that was very thing. He got it.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
They shifted the world off or something like, Yo, I
was dumb tight.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
None members shall in different slang, adding other karate flicks
they just took over the world. The Rizer production. That
ship was like a breath of fresh aird to to
the hip hop culture that I mean. And then they
just planted mad Seeds with Math, Ghost Ray, Dirty, Jesu
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rizzor spect the deck. That probably nothing like that to
ever be done ever again. God it is to make
nine seven and a half eight stars solo, but nine
stars together, the new.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Edition of hip Hop facts that they all went on
to sell millions of records solo. You know, to this day,
I got people who argue about ghost Face. You know,
he might be the greatest. His first album might be
the greatest. I mean, you got the you got the
Purple Tape, you got Ray Kwan, you got anything.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
With anything meta. Man.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Let me tell you something. I honestly used to think
that the greatest record ever made was his Sinning morn
in Blue.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
I took it took me about a good fifteen years
to get up off that, huh, all I need. It
took me fifteen years to figure out, like, all right,
you know, this might not be the greatest song ever made,
like I thought it was great. Yo.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
They playing that shit anywhere that shit came on. It
was like the ten Son, like this is number one?
What about the first Brand Nubian debut that was knocked?
The Brand Nubian ship was crazy, No, no, no, Grand
Pooba was the best beat was crazy. The grand POOLA
was the best. Grand Poobab was the best. Grand Pool
(45:22):
Bos the only rapper I ever watched a whole entire
club this dancing doing the real shit.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
It was that dance rap that the DJ said, brand
new Grandpoop.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
I watched everybody go to the speaker stop dancing just
to hear what the fuck he was gonna?
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Had that mean bars with the voice, with the cadence,
and he was told to one time me tell you me,
let me get your staf, let me tell you story.
So you got My wife got two brothers from a
father the older, and they had kids.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
And they know they move around and live well.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
One day one of the nieces came with us. They
came to our crib for the weekend, had a nice time.
Now it was time to bring her back on Sunday.
So it was like Sunday evening we get the new row.
I'm like, nah, I'll walk in it's dark, you know
what I mean. I'll take in. Actually, what door it is.
They bring me to the door. Hey thing done?
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Open the door. It's poolba the wng door? Yo? Pool?
The kiss? What's up? Me? And she lived with them?
Speaker 1 (46:35):
I got back in the car, like the fucking tell
me she lived with grand Pooba?
Speaker 3 (46:39):
What was you gonna tell me? She wife? That was
his wife. He was, she was there.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
He was the guardy guse his girl was was raising.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Well, they could at least told me Pool with my
answer to the door when you go there?
Speaker 3 (46:54):
I took him. I'm like this, yo, what Grandpa like? Nah?
She lived here? Me? Pool? You know what's up? He's like,
what's up? That ship was he? You know?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Grand Pool Ball took a chance with me. You know
my first album shout out before that and the man
he showed up Jazzy j Studio eight. He kicked the
verse with me in Diamond. I don't know how I
meant Poolbar, but ever since we kicked it off, we
was family. We was friends. He shot the vide. He
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can't he's in the flow Joe video. Grand Pool Bar
him got.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
On especially from West shesteron poo Pool was that nigga?
All right?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Once again you're not You're not really trying to hear me,
because I've been saying I said it like two three times,
and you really like almost ignoring none of the best.
You know how, there's some guys out there that'll argue
with everybody talking about Jada Kiss Top five dead or live.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
He's somebody's top five dead all live as he should.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
He was the best brand football. Sit As my nigga
brought that ship to the table. Wow, low boys, wold cowboys,
you're bid sid As. He's one of my favorite rappers
at the time. I remember when Pootball who was that
Dante Ross? Somebody signed him over there at a lecture.
It's the biggest talk in the world. You know the
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brand Nuggie mean sort.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
But don't be gotten to me. You're wrong. That's where
it's supposed to be. Check it out now, check it
out now, shut.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Out the lord jam Yeah, okay, come on, don't go there.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Now go there because if we go there, you much.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
I'm gonna have to say, fifty second, get Richard Doe Trup.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
We turned it up real quick, jeez, Uni, we could
get the drama popa nigg that probably might be arguing
to be one of the debut.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
That's like up there with Snoop fifty Sugars, up there
with with Doggy Style.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
He asks me for the East.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Coast, for the world coast. They had the same kind
of effect as Doggy Style.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Man.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
That ship was everywhere when he came out, some nigga
shit is semi everywhere, both of them. Ships was everywhere
every way you could think of white people everywhere, every commerce,
you every spring break, every.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
You open your door, your window, you saw that ship.
It Richard I Try and Doggy.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Style imagine you got beef for them shortly after that,
and they playing that ship. It was beating up every
DJ allegedly did not play the shot.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
The beef was beef niggas at beef for fifty was
at to get Richard Try.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Worked bad, No, no, really bad.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Still the residue it was the other album man, Biggie Bank.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yeah, it was down there, cool door for a little
it's not a lot on a little enough enough God. Yeah,
that was a different field that we don't play, that
we don't air around.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
And when you create music, fifty cent was giving you
like three songs in one song, three different hit.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
It's crazy, bro.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
That album could have really been three albums, four olbls.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
The way he was doing all that. Ship Ah to unit,
we don't play around. He was like, yo, it was.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Too easy for I don't know what kind of zone
he was in, but everything was too easy for me.
At the bars, he had the beats. He felt like
my back break was killing ship.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
It's a difference. There's a difference between street park bars.
At your leisure.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
You can have a nice pop you come and when
we see him in the videos, in the street part,
you can jump out and have a coconut. It's different
when you in jail doing bars. In the bars, just
what they.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Did to him.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
He was trying to like to bet with them, and
then we ain't doing like him.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Don't do that two times. You ain't doing bars like
Jada kiss get at it.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
Yeah, man, the nigga doing well. He calling up like
this ship doing all type of shit. You ain't doing
all that. Don't don't stop. Please. Just because you did
jail time don't mean you know how to do that.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
They don't know how you pedal the bike. I'm not
don't do that. Jay Z reasonable doubt.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Crazy, crazy, crazy shit crazy. He taught me right because
I was a street dude. Man, I was a street dude, but.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
I didn't really so much really get into like the
business dawn drug shit to like my second album, the
first album was I Stick You Up, I Smacked You Up,
you know, all that type of shit.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
But that reason of booed.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Oubt showed me you could talk like like I could
real my live, my real life music.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
I'm listening to shit and I felt like it was
my life. I felt like, yo, you could rap about
your life and music. So in videos, I'm wearing the
Army fatigues, but I'm going to my man's party with
the sky blue suit on, with the gators, with the
this this, this Now, we could rap about it and
put it in the video and do that.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
I felt like Reason that moved out did that for me.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
And I remember driving back and forth from New York
to Miami just playing that one album.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Back to back to back to back.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Uh, that's another one right after Illmatic. That kind of
changed my life to where it was like, all right,
if you're gonna wrap this where you need to be,
you need to talk more about your life.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
If you need to talk that shit, you need to die.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
That that pushed me more towards me being the Don
Cardajina Like publicly, I was already the Don Carda Gina
behind the scene, but publicly it said you can do this.
And I don't know what the fuck Onyx first album
was with them two they changed fat Joe's whole life
because I just pick a up dad one shot. I
(53:26):
was like, what the fuck up? Onyx unsung heroes. Some
of the greatest music I ever heard was Onyx.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Sticky just sent me so I steel not all lats
right now twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
He sent me saying, are you listening to me? Sticky?
Just send me a song. That's crazy, that'sh weak crazy.
Who had to pick beats? The beat is crazy? They
knew how to pick beats.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
They had some mean one of them Onyx. I think
it's the second one. The beats on the second Onyx.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Album is some of the best. Trying to revisit those
ships great, Yo, huh Fradjoe. Nobody writes that Joe Robs
seen you and my brother I love you. I'll see
you on the video on the.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
He said this, he said, you know Joe got ghostwriters
this and that. Yo, You're delusional.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Nobody could write my life, write my rhymes, nothing like that,
and I love you.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
Frajoel.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Frad Joel is a good guy. I've just picked you
up on another level. But by seeing you the only
person in history on the video talking about Yeah Joe,
you know Joe got please brother got me fucked up.
Thirty seven years of doing this ship, I do this
in my slate, but Fradie produced all that. Let me
(54:55):
tell you something. He's a genius.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
Carolina.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Them guys, them guys different and they changed my life.
So Fred Joe, when you look at my interviews about you,
they always say you changed my life.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Dude. Documentary The Game? Crazy is that?
Speaker 2 (55:11):
And how game is the first rapper that if you
didn't tell everybody says that a million times.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
But if you.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Didn't tell me he's from Compton, I would think he's
from New York.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
He was the first, you know, the West Coast, they
got their own sound.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Heard he study of the first Compton nigga with a
Yankish flow, all the bronx, the Yankish flow. Looking up
Compton nigga with the Yukish flow.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
I repeat, still New York yunk will grill no listen.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
I agree with him what you want me to go?
Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yonkers fucking locks of some of the greatest rappers ever lived.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
I'm not disrespecting that. Who said that? Loo?
Speaker 2 (56:03):
He said that he got a Yonker Slow, Okay, I'll
give you that. What I'm trying to say is Martin
new for had to dream?
Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yeah dream? Hey did I love it? Crazy?
Speaker 1 (56:17):
He had new clear missiles on on both hold document
to this day, first one with the debut though, is
a is a smoker?
Speaker 3 (56:26):
No biking. Nobody in front the numbers.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
The numbers prove it four or five million, right, I'm
gonna and nobody's saying ready to die her?
Speaker 3 (56:37):
Niggas is over here playing around like ready, you're just
floating all over run. He's floating over it, stopped floating
for a minute. Ready to die?
Speaker 1 (56:47):
Is He came in and twitched the old way niggas
was rapping back then.
Speaker 4 (56:52):
Who be out Nigga small things? The whole entire rap
game just floating debut albums. His flow is cadence to
this day. Don't make sense. He died when he was
like twenty six, twenty seven. He only did two years
of damage and in fucking phenomenal. There's not a day
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not a day in my blessed life that God has given.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
Me that I do not hear Biggie Small song. What
he was able to do to take rap, underground music
and commercialize it changed my life, in every other rapper's life.
Speaker 3 (57:34):
He was twenty four years old when he died, a
fucking baby.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
Twenty five or twenty six or twenty four, twenty four.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
Pac was twenty six, Oh it was Pac. Pac was
young too, twenty six.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
But man twenty five and twenty four is crazy man
to billy get in the club.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
I think that's some bullshit. But Biggie Small's to this day,
his flows is Cadence. You know.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
I help get the song together with him and Bone
Thugs in Harmony.
Speaker 3 (58:06):
That's another album.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
Look up the first Bone Thugs in Harmony first album,
so thirty million records.
Speaker 3 (58:15):
He's nineteen ninety nine. For the love of money.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
Gotta get that money, baby, money, baby, gotta get that money.
Speaker 3 (58:24):
Baby.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
Let me tell you some boy, I miss my uncle Georgia.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
Call him George ms Buncle Georgia, Uncle Charles. Fuck with
George ms Buncle George. At least yo, George, Uncle George.
Speaker 3 (58:55):
You know yo. Listen, now you go George.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
You know how you go to the hey, ain't meaning
to be like, Hi, I'm Joe, I'm an alcoholic. It's
like Hi, I'm fat, Joe, I'm a fuck up, I'm
a bug out. I change all the words. That's why
we're gonna have a problem.
Speaker 3 (59:11):
Rich. We put it back, Rich toward back to me.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
You can't even memorize my own robs, so imagine memorizing
your rhymes.
Speaker 3 (59:20):
Just somebody else round.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
I fuck everybody shit up, But I got that boning
Biggie done. Biggie hit me up, said Joe, I want
to rock with your man's. I know that your man's
be on the same label. I'm hanging out with them
every day. Then you had a relationship with Bob. I
had to really really convince them, and I know to
this day they're happy. I convinced them, and Steve Lobell
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brought them to the studio. The rest is history. With
that bone in Biggie Biggie boner, and nobody in New
York was thinking about am in dangerous? Ain't too Minny,
can't bang with us?
Speaker 3 (59:54):
Sing up?
Speaker 2 (59:55):
We know ain'tel us and Torios so co be with
you know who this nobody was thinking about that flow
at that time. When he did it, it was like, you know,
big with somebody that's like you.
Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
I mean, damn man, we got a big this thing.
I'm right over here, yea something saluted man. Biggie was
like you in the very way of you never said
a whack verse.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
So every time Biggie ku ryme on one twelve, he
could rhyme on fucking.
Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
A girl's TLC shit whatever, it ain't not anything that
we would listen to him. We would listen to the
new verse.
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
And be like, Damn, Biggie did it again. He was
super nice. He did this and this and that. It
was crazy. You know what I'm saying, b ig that
ready to die. That ship to this day is one
of my favorite uh you know what I mean? For
the slave since for the same and the two Yo Biggie,
I have my homies, total bust of shit.
Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Every record.
Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
It wasn't just I don't know if it was a fan,
but as a rapper, every verse similar to you, every
verse Biggie ever spit, we would analyze it immediately be like, yo,
he did this song with total you know everything. You'd
be like, damn body, that ship again. It's not easy
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to body every single verse. You know Jady Kish, you
know he's really good at that. You know what I'm saying.
We be listening for every verse like, oh shit, Jenna
gonna spit that ship right now? Who else you put
in that in that category of every verse they have
a spit, you would listen to it like, oh shit,
(01:01:45):
he about to spit that ship.
Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Huh, black thought, Black thought. It's superiorly nice. We all agree.
Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Lauren's deput Tell me about Lauren Ill because I always
mis education.
Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
She sided me bigger than all, Like, you got this education,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Liker Hill, I got Lauren got the same birthday one.
Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
It's big up. That's it. We wont we ail like.
Education is one of the most classical albums. They gave
it the best album. I got the same burden Lauryn Hill.
Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Three stacks somebody Lauryn Hill and three stacks mean we
will share the same birthday.
Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
And I say more we ail like miss.
Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Edutainment of Laurence Hill, groundbreaking album phenomenal because she could
sing incredible and she got the bass.
Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
I felt cheated as a hip hop fan.
Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Then she retired so quick like, I think we would
have had multiple albums of greatness. You know, I think
we got wrong from Lauren Hill, you know, walking off
the game because she would have had four or five
classic albums.
Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
I can't see her making wax shit and definitely where
she left the game at that time. Ah she was.
She just still to this day, all these girls are great.
I love them all. You know, Remy gets a little.
Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Upset because she wants me to cheat and say Remy's
the greatest. Can't nobody fuck with lawn Nell Lauryn Hills
in the fucking lane of her home.
Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Nobody. That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
And so uh what Little Kim's first album that we're
talking about? Females allcour crazy. Little Kim first album was
crazy hardcore. Everybody shifted ss Amelia, that shifted.
Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
The way females wanted to present themselves after Little Kim,
Foxy first album, I know Nan crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
You see Elliott for he our can't stand the Raves.
The Brat shit bout numbers than everybody funk the fat Yes,
the fucking Brat was the first to crack open that gate.
Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Harsh shit. She had real.
Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Fans minus shit platinum, but uh, Foxy and kim Man.
That's like Brandy Monica. That was a time, you know
what I mean. I think you know, it's very hard
for a man to really be bumping the girl's album
like that, driving in your car like the whole album,
(01:04:36):
but riding around like you think you playing the shit
and you got Foxy.
Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
You got Kim On.
Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Recently, I listened to that Cardi B album about ten
twenty times.
Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Cardi B, she got some balls of there better than dudes.
It's it's really incredible the way they put that album together. Recently,
Cardi B's album is phenom and the girls is eating
it up. They hello, they going crazy the ship on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
I'm not comparing the album to Lauren Hill or Foxy
or Kemn's Days Get.
Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
I ain't saying anyone, but I'm just saying, you got that,
You got that Uncle Gredy eyes. You know what I'm saying.
You just you giving me the eyes like wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait wait wait, you're giving me that now.
Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
I'm telling you an album right now, it's better than
most guys in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Cardi B got that ship right now. Let's see this,
Ain't that that?
Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Ain't this cracking kissing baskets bitch,
Yeah, Yeah, what up, y'all? This is sat Yoe, it's
your boy Jaden kiss. You know what it is that
Joe and Jaden show, every show legendary, every show icony.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
This is the evergreen version of both of those. Let
me tell you something, the biggest in the motherfucking globe.
Don't let nobody fuck and tell you anything else. We
got everybody back paddling, everybody changing up.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
How they doing?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know these podcasts, they're changing up telling stories now
about the time, like they're changing the whole swagging their ship.
But they still got dingy black T shirts on. They
ain't got the fly ship on. Sure they ain't throwing
that ship on. Jay Jada, I ran, I ran, it's
you on Fifth Avenue the over there, the cars just pass.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
You know, he was doing a little browsing, spend a
couple of thousands. I love that shit. You love it? Huh?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I love it too. Every time I got a little
extra dollar, I just want to go. You know what
I'm saying, Get fly, get fresh.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You know what I'm saying. That's my shit right there.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Joe and Jada, we dictating the whole podcast game. If
we listen to your record it's your new single. If
we talk that shit, it is what it is. Viral mania, man,
I mean, this is what it is. I just like
to be relevant, talk about shit that means something to somebody.
(01:41):
When you got top dead or alive, Top five dead
or alive, and you got Joe Crackhead.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Oh you fucking can't lose.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Can't lose, And so today we want to do whateveren
meaning you know, we don't need a guess, we don't
need none of that tell you the truth. Some of
our well, we love all our guests. For some of
our greatest shows have been just me and you discussing
hip hop. Because we've been around since day one. You
know I was you know you've been around.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Since day No, No, I've been around. I've been since
day three or four. You've been. I've been around since
day two you think two? Right, since yay two? Day one.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I was just a kid, the baby watching him do it.
But I watched him do it. Ruby Deeve grew up
around the corner. First Latino MC. He was shot down
the blot. No, no, he was in Fantastic Romantic five
shot Rock.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
The first female MC.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
What's the name of the legendary movie Man, wild Stuff,
Wow Stuff, Movie Di is in that and they battling
with Charlie Chase and Cold Crush, grand Master Cas and them.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, Ruby D's in there.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But what I'm trying to take my neighborhood, Melly Male,
grand Master Flash, all of them.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
You know, I felt like, guys.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Wasn't doing this right, like we you know, what is
the reason why when we watched and t You see
Charles Barkley, you see Shaquille O'Neill, you see Kenny Smith.
These are all legendary figures that have been through everything
in the basketball game. So I said, yo, me and
Jada got to get into this. The subject we came
up with today, it's a legendary subject. Is artists other
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religious argument another religious Hey, that's what it's about. You know,
me growing up even more than growing up, even when
I was in the streets, we would break night just
argueing about who's the greatest rapper, who got the best bars,
who got shot out?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
My boys shop.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
We used to go to one forty eight and he
used to like day and to day and I used
to like slick Rick. That's just normal shit in the hoods.
So today I don't think it's a debate or nothing
like that. But we're thinking about the best debut albums
from an artist.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Whoa best debut albums from an art artist, not groups artists,
not artists.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
It could be whatever, but it's really really it could
be grouped. It's my art and being forever. You could
be here.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
We can be here forever because Illmatic might be the
best piece of art ever made in hip hop records.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Nas Illmatic pure hip hop that tates my life. What
was it like? It was written better?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You know, I got which the barber says the same thing,
which the barber says the same I did.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Something to my soul, but it was written did something
to my blood stream.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
That's the second album. It was feel like it was written.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
It was like it to me, Illmatic just just changed
the whole game, change how everybody was rapping. You know,
Na's coming from a legendary project like Query under mc
shan and Mally mal and all these guys, and then
it gave you a modern day glimpse at the time
(05:08):
of what Queensbridge was about. And so to me, you know,
well that's crazy because you know I got some friends
who say, man, but I ain't King of Rat the
King of Rock debut album nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
King of Rock, Run DMC taught us how to dress.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Uh, they with the Blazers, with their didas they had
the first endorsement ever.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
You know what doors that come back.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You know what's crazy is I remember when we get
the fiftieth anniversary in Yankee Stadium. I felt like they
did him wrong because they made them close even though
it's run DMC, because it was like late.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
They started like two in the morning.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Took that show down to two days and one day
should have been been No ainybody happened? I agree, boy,
I gotta wait there, Audien. I mean man, when Rudy
was on the show, I was on the sprint watching it.
When run DMC came out and it was like the
Kings of Raw.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You knew that this was like you two rolling Stones,
the Legends of All Legends, the Blueprint that this on
on and on on. I was watching it like a
little kid. I performed already. I went upstairs with my family.
I was like, Yo, this is unlike I can't believe.
Oh they made music like this, and I could tell you.
(06:36):
I was in junior high school and at the time
the Treacherous Three, they had that lights. Camera asked me
cool with the ax shunk come come up, and everybody
was rocking to dad at a talent show. I was
at a talent show, you know. I sung John Hall
and what is it? John Alles? I sung on stage
(06:56):
she only come out and not the meaning now only
eye nothing could do.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I've seen it say it before.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Meanwhile, everybody's dancing hip hop and three girls.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
All the crack Hall the track Junior High, Junior High.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I think you almost had to join the talent show.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I did a talent show. Yeah, I think it was
part of the curriculum. And man, these three girls came
on and they and they told the DJ to play
and they played that. It's like that, and that's the
way I watched hundreds of kids and the Bronx created
(07:38):
hip hop.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I don't know any other way to explain it to you.
They was not ready to give it to any other
borough or whatever. When that shit came on, I watched
all the kids in the whole Junior High look at
each other life.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
It was like an alien. It was like AI with
some new shit.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Everybody looked at each other life Oh it's sofa and
these are the new kings of hip hop.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
It was one play.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
The whole auditorium was like, oh my god, what's this?
So Run DMC definitely they cracked in the whole, the whole.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I don't think me and you have a TV.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
We don't have a podcast right now. If it ain't
for Run DMC, I don't think we got nothing. They
took this game to the next level.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
It ain't from who else you're thinking about, Biggie Damn Productions.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Man, criminal Minded came nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
But.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
You talking, I wasn't even going there like that teacher
staying in the Bronx.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
No, Run DMC made.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
It on a higher level when you talk about street
nineteen eighty seven was a fucking crazy year. It was crazy, right,
holy criminal minded, criminal minded? You know care uss one
sucked us in horse shit all right?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah yeah, swa whoa who.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
He got us on the cover looking like Malcolm X
with a machine gun. But at the same time he
was kicking consciousness and the music. The first time I
ever heard consciousness in music was criminal Minded, you know.
And uh him, Scott LeBrock, you know the story behind him.
He was homeless, and then they became the biggest and
(09:34):
they represented my borough. For me, I was willing to
die for care Us One that didn't even know him,
just felt like he was my idol. He was the icon,
he was the he was the Hercules of the Bronx
and uh South Bronx. I remember I was in Courtland
Avenue and the DJ came and said, we got a
(09:55):
new artist.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
It was care Less One.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
He was this skinny He had a Bob Marley T
shirt on across the hat. He did the South Bronx.
By the time he did the South Bronx, he did
it twice. By the time he did it again, the
whole block party was going South Bros South South Bral.
So it was like a one listen and the next
thing you know, that ship was crazy, criminal minded. To me,
(10:20):
one of the greatest albums ever made the hip Hop Records.
But of course one billion percent I'm biased.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Now we're gonna take it this long Island kill bum
rushed the show, Public Enemy Man, Public Endemia Flavor, the
S one W Terminator Act.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
He should have had the first sunglasses.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Deal you wearing those glasses right now because the Terminator acts, Nigga,
you ain't bullshit.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Terminator Acts should have had the first class deal.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Well, I'll tell you at the first averageing Flavor Flag
the first reality showed to me, Flavor Flave was just
it's so weird because Chuck Chalking all this black militant,
all this, and Flavor Flavors nine one one to joke
like he's just Flavor was like the funny guy from
the block and the two. It's almost like fat Joe
(11:18):
and Jaden like nobody thought. No, I'm not saying I'll
be Flave. I don't got a problem. I love Flavor flav.
The point I'm saying to you is our dynamics. Somebody
could have looked at this podcast to begin with it
at oh no, no way, Jaden's Joe gonna work. But
(11:38):
somehow the chemistry is perfect. You got Chuck d h
talking as ship and then you got Flavor Flave, who's
really a bug out and but we love him.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
He got his own dance, his own ship and so on.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
They just kicked in the door for black consciousness and
they birthed I think I want to say they birthed everybody,
like the Paul Righteous Teachers, that all the groups that
came out after them preaching the message consciousness. But their
beats was ridiculous. The beats who did the beats again.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
For the for Tink shocked leading the.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I Ain't shocked leading a bomb squad did Ice Cubes
album too after he had when he.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Came over, he came overhead the long Noland. They came
going in too much, going too fast. I'm going too fast.
I don't know what the fuck the lissen you're.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
In nineteen right now, we skipped it and we just
doing like tutorials of we got away from what we
was told.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You know what I think.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I think you have a timeline and I'm fried, like
I'm fried.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
No, look my ship twenty twenty five, shite seven, my
shit off being rock Kiem nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Man paid the full nigg we can stop right here,
paid it in full. Do you know how.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Credible that them real ups in that fucking jail, them
pull ups.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Sniggas left and then yeah, they.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Taught you, you say to fuck with them jail niggas
in the gym. Them nigga got you tortured. Right now,
you got about a week fracture you'll be good at
And we the small Asian lady. Oh my okay, oh
you hot Rocks sounds like the good ship and.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
They ship like that old you Hot Rocks rescue.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I mean pay the full change the game, tap it
damn jackets, big truck, crazy ship that can lock the
store up with ropes.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Rose Royce at least Rose Royices. Yeah, early when you do.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Old fashion, he had that Rose roycees early ahead of
time doing shit. They had the whole Brooklyn with him,
Killer Ben for Fourth Green, Supreme Magnetics, the fifty second,
the original stick Up Kid.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I mean they came with Crazy our fifth endto that Yo.
They came with the whole package and the music. Some
people do rocking the best of all time.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
They don't know that it was Eric Bee's record deal
and they put him with Rock Him.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Eric B had the deal. That's why I never understood
that it's not Rock Him and Eric B.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, well the DJ was always Jadsey, Jeffing Fresh, Prince
Back at that time.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
It was Grand Master of Flash and the Furious Five.
You B had to deal with you.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
What I heard from them is Eric B had the
record deal and they went and put him with Rock.
You know what I'm saying, man, they put him with
the best. Hell, that's another one of them. Joe and
Jada they put, they put to make this work, and
they worked fucking tremendous.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
You know, I think I got my whole ice grilled
from every B when Eric B used to be like No,
I'm telling Eric B is.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
The first nigga that was Dead series and hip hopis
the ice crill. Whenever I never forget, I shot my shot.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I shot Pun's first video, right, it's Ray Kwan me Nori,
and I threw on the sky Blue shoot and I
slipped behind Pun Punk was wrapping you on my dollar dollar,
and I got this ice grill. And the whole time
I'm telling them, I'm like, yo, this the Eric B.
It's a remember I got to be Eric Beat. You know,
(15:31):
he used to stand with Ray rock Kim. I had
to be Fat Joe the rapper when Pun Rap I
could be Eric B. So I'm standing back there with
the ice grill like dalling Darling bab Man. And then
and then and then and then changed our lives. Who
else you got on the list nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Straight out of company. Whoay, some boys came fucking spress yourself.
They came talking that crazy shit. Man.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You want to know where I was at when I
first heard NWA count I was in one twenty fifth
and Dapper Dan, and that shit came up on there
on video music box. And when I tell you, it
was noisy. Everybody was doing anything. The whole fucking place
stopped in silence and looked up at the screen. Was
(16:27):
like and easy, and the niggas had the flame throwers
and they went fuck coughed and they won it for
the copsters. Anybody who was there, it changed their life
right then and there. Me as a rapper around that time,
I was thinking about getting into rap. They let me
know you could rap about anything. Fuck the police, don't matter,
(16:50):
just don't bite. It's the world. Like they was doing
shit that nobody else was doing, so they like transformed
me as a I never forget yet. After I discovered
NW eight, I was in my aunt's not my aunt's,
my grandmother's house at Washington. I wrote a rhyme and
the rhyme completely turned into fuck you suck my dick,
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your mother, this that, this, this, this like the influence
because we had never seen nobody running from the cops.
We had never seen nobody saying fuck the police. We
never we heard stories like the message, Grandmaster Flash and
Furious Five. We heard songs like that, but we never
seen somebody dedicate a whole classic album to that. And
(17:37):
you see the careers that spawned off. You got Doctor Drake,
some say the greatest producer of all time. You got
mc wren, you got ice Cube, you got easy E,
all these guys, Yo, DJ Yeller, all these guys. They
had DC around the top board. DC was one of
my favorites. Man, oh my god, the form you look.
(18:00):
But you know the we got Dre beats because of
that ship. You know what I'm saying. So the legs
and the people they put in the game. You know,
no Doctor Dre, no Eminem, no Doctor Dre, no fifty cent,
no game.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Like that whole album, just like Snoop dog poun Snoop.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Dog Pound, like Doggy styt Doggy Style gotta be on
this list.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I'm jumping ahead of time here.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
You got it, you in the time caps. I do
not know your list, you know, lies ahead of which.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I'm going off the top. There's a free style straight
out of Compton. Can't be next to Doggy Staff, No, no,
it's way earlier. They are soul Man nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Pot Holes in my refeeding rise, pot holes in my before.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I'm a little bit younger, so you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Okay, Okay, So they Soul had gangster guys like me
that was running blocks, that was doing all type of
wild shit, playing boom boom boom answering service. I cal
say this sorockerty and a man abody like I knew.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I knew I was an asshole.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I remember driving into Benz looking at dudes ice, grilling
them and and playing.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Answering service like I say that Paraga. They had to
be yo these guys all the way. Lose these guys.
It's crazy. Day O Soul start started that whole preppyat college,
Daisy Age. I believe they started all that Queen Latifa
mony love jutip, the native tongue thing. I want to say,
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could be it could be a trial court quest. Well,
I want to say that all brought all that ship
to give her. The first time I seen kids being
in classrooms and videos and being nice guys.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
It wasn't just I got it made. It was day
Lot Soul.
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Speaker 3 (22:04):
The paths of rhythm.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Now that right there was totally different. The production on
that album. They probably had the best quality that we
heard till that moment. They had the first like audio
like them drums and snazz was hitting.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
That shit was crazy, y'all.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I might have played that album one thousand times, bro
two thousand when Biggie says, well tape pop till my
tape pop that ship. That album was such a work
of art q Tip Fifth Dog Five Dog was one
of my favorite rappers. Although he was simple, he was
one of my favorite rappers ever in the history and
(22:48):
what they started tryp coll Quest. To this day musically,
I believe we should act some producers that to this day,
I think producers study uh that first album and and
how they put that ship and they were so futuristic.
They had guys doing the robot voices back then, this
and this and that.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Like they they they was far ahead of their time.
Salute q Tail in nineteen ninety one, man.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Ali Shahib Scarface, mister Scarface, who the fucking fred.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So Scarfaces before the Ghetto Boys because I got the
album as the class.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Oh shit, I missed it. Ghetto Boys is nineteen eighty nine. Okay,
rip it on that other level Boom other than Kang King,
the Kompang Them Bang Ticket thing Coman.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Bang that Ain't mind playing Can't Sleep now that that's
on that album, that first album. That song alone changed
my life and let us know that there was guys
in the South.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Kicking gangs the shit.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Everything cinematically from the videos to the music, it was crazy.
I remember what's the video with Scarfaces? The girls count money.
He goes in her bron pulls out the money like
she stole the money. You know what I'm saying in
the video, I mean Scarface is every rapper's favorite rapper.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
He's jay Z's favorite and reacts him. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Besides Big Scarface, him and the ghetto boys, Willie D.
Bushwick Bill. I used to hang out with Bushwick Bill.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yes, man, I've been around a long time.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Maybe the Fever. It might have been the fever. I'm
the first guy took Scarface in the Bronx. I took
her to the projects. He was like, you guys live
like this because you know, Texas even to this day,
is all spread out. He couldn't believe that we had
twenty floors of dudes living in the jets.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I took him to the Wedge, the Wedger Hunts Point.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I mean, I'm a ghetto new at that time, I
was straight ghetto, So you wasn't gonna get nothing but
ghetto from me. I'll never forget. He asked me a
Biggie song came on. What the first biggie sold? He
was like, Yo, who's that guy?
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Man?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I like Biggie Swans It's like, Yo, he's fire. He
was like, yeah that guy dope. You know what I'm saying. So, Uh,
the ghetto, the ghetto boys, you know, shout out Jay Prince.
You know, we always try to shout out Texas, Bappo Loot,
they independent game, Houston, Dallas, Houston, Dallas. I just came
from that North.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Worth, San Antonio, Austin nineteen ninety one. Then now it's
mister Scarface nineteen ninety one. Scollfaces back.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
That's what that came.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Scarface is back. What the what kind of impacts call
Face had to you? Was you too young?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Or it was around yourn we I mean heard of
the Ghetto Boys first, then Face, and it seemed like
he just gravitated to to what I was doing and
what I wanted to do.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Well, man, he's some of the besize the ghetto boys.
Some of the first ships we've seen from Houston for
me was Scarface video. He's legend that mister mister Scarface. Huh.
You know what happened with that album right there?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I think it was the first time I went down,
uh to the atl and you remember, ah, what is
it New Jack City? Remember the Brown Scared Girl dancing
to I want to say, ask you up that shit?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Never like a man.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I fell in love with that song from that girl
dancing and that she was like Keisha from Belly the Girl.
Remember even they was fighting over she had the red
sinin Man. You remember that I went in the atl
Strip Club for the first time and there was some
girl up there dancing to that mister, mister scarface. I
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drove back to New York that song ten thousand times
just thinking about that girl dancing to that shit. And
that's how influence you. We watched like videos and shit
like that. You might love a visual and then you
start to gravitate and love that song.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Shout out the scarf face.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Another one in nineteen ninety one, Tupac Apocalypse.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Now, I don't really know too much about that one.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, it was very early. You know, we talked about
the greatest debut albums. You know what I'm saying, so
too Tupac. You know all lives on me. All that
other work was more prolific than the first album. Now,
I can tell you much. What was on the first album.
Brenda's Got a.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Baby Apocalypse now is the first Brenda Got a Baby?
You know that was that think I could have did
that stop?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
You know Brenda's got a baby, was like very all
it resonated. You know, my projects are saying a lot
of ship man I've.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Seen on telling me seeing a baby in the golf.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
What I'm gonna tell you is that I watched dudes
jump off the roof on angel dust though y no
of the day, somebody was on dust jumped off the roof.
Damn he's still doing that. How about this, somebody in Yo?
(28:25):
What kind of day is this? Somebody went outside the
smoke a cigarette. Somebody jumped off the roof and landed on.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Joe. What kind of comment?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yo?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yo yo? That's yo, yo, yo yo. That's your cat show. Yo.
Let me go to let me go blow a bogie
with a person. So he's done too right? Double dead?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
No way, Holy shit, I heard everything I think you
ever think about.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
When they say the plane crash, that shit.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Really fall down on somebody house and motherfucker, imagine you
in your house and a plane full of you gone,
that's it a play?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
What kind of fucking luck is that? Double dad? Who's
he your hearst? Who's he your hearst? Leave you? Double dad? Huh?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I'm a bubblehead. I never listened to nothing. My mama said, Yo, what.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I was gonna tell you is that that was happening
in the hood, that girls couldn't come home, unfortunately and
tell their parents they were pregnant. They would do the
baby leaving the Chinese spiders. We're not telling them to
do that. We never said that was right, but they
was doing that. That's what Brenda Got a Baby was about.
Poor Brundon sh nineteen ninety two man UGK two all
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to swallow, rest in peace, PIMC shout out to my
brother bun gonna be gunn In the UGK.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Story from the Yeah, I was there when Pimpsy got
locked up in the Ati. He pulled the choppers out
the chart he was about to shoot the place, and
I was there at the boxing match.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yes, sir, Pimpsy was different. He's uh. He was one
of them guys just don't give a fuck. And if he.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
If he felt the way about you, he tell you
right to your face right there and now he really
I used to really see him walking around with white
furs and ship like that, like the video.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
It was like a pimp.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
He was Pimpsy and he was, and he's far from
pussy and if you fucked with him, he was gonna
do what he had to do.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
What you got next, brother nineteen ninety two, Why are
we going through the years? Man? Just call out the
most of it. You get too what I do now?
Oh my god, he should be fucking punished.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Guy who sent this stupid ass our pack.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
He put his greatest debuts on there.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
That's why everything it fucked those just sums that he
believes his greatest debut.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yea while, we y'all ain't touching that man like I'm
touching no on slicks.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
It's great event.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Rickis definitely your great Adventures is slick Rickets by far
one of the greatest greatest albums of all fucking times.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I don't give up in any genre of music, not
even just rap, in music in general. Mollotle fuckers.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I was living in a crackhead hotel. I came out,
true story, left my mother's house when I was like fourteen.
House do the same day. So most disrespectful shit you
can think of in the world. Imagine your kid leaves
your house at fourteen. You look out the window. He's
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selling crack that ass an hour lady, he's outside like
little Joey is outside. And although I used to act
tough for my age group, I had to actually sleep
in the crackhead hotel. It was like thirty five dollars
for the night. When I tell you they was busting
(32:16):
dudes heads open with forty ounces all night, or your
hurt was the cops wee weird they busting dudes heads open.
I opened my hotel door and women were shooting heroin
in the aide apidemic.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Open the door, they shooting dope in my face.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Meanwhile, I'm staying here by myself and all I'm playing
is Slick Rick music in my headphones to get me
through the night. And so he gave me the courage
to even just make it to the next day and
get back on my shit. So even though I was
living that type of life, I was terrified. Slick Rick's
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music is what got me through that time. What else
you got for me?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Brother?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
You don't even want to have nine from me on.
So I did not say anumatic way too.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Early ships out. I mean, it ain't e many of
that time. It ain't no timeline REASONA moved out. Okay,
I want to say shot Shorty fucking black Moon into
the stages, fucking lazy.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
What it did for me, the flows, their meeting, the flow.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Anything into the stage is one of the greatest debuts.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Is his debut. Yeah, that's his first album. We're going there.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
We gotta go to the original. We gotta go to
Gangstar uh his freemo. What's their first album? Ship Jesus Christ,
Gangstar Yo Primo one of the greatest producers of all time.
Him Gurgle gul to me was like a professor.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
He was like a Malcolm X said hip hop.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
He was talking that shit, that consciousness, but in a
slick tone, way ahead of his time. Let me tell you,
I'm gonna go back to the South. I'm gonna say
ourcast Southern playerlistic. This is what we hear about outcast
is Southern player. This is the first time I ever
saw them videos in the backwoods and all that. We
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had some brothers in the ATL putting it down who
love hip hop. That was like real pure hip hop
too as well, and that started we think about all
the shit that ATL brought After that, they kicked that
bitch off. Then we get the Goodie Marb and everything else.
We Southern playerlistic. I want to go to Juvenile's four
hundred degrees. You heard they mentioned the versus, Yeah, cash
(34:48):
money and no limit. Juvenile four hundred degrees.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Album was great.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
That whole movement when they came out just took the
world a storm.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
They pronunciation of words, this everything. They shifted ship, he
shifted ship, shut out. The Jude Jewry is still active.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I know them all over the place, but we gotta
go out. Mob Deep first album, the first.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Album is not the infamous. If you're a real mob
Deep thing, it's not the first month ha ha. That
ain't their first What was their first?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Sonyle? Hell, this is their first album. How is the
Little Kids juvenile?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Hell? They was little, they was young. They don't make
the listing because they the first two going off album. Yeah,
they debut album is Juvenile. Hell the debute to the
world on better. So they can't make that. But the
Infamous still the infamous.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
To the word they throw out the Holy girl hip hop,
Infamous is holy.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Some people say the best album ever made. Some people
say that I drove around like a couple of months
ago with Rich the Barber. He knew every word and
we just drove around with ice grilled people. We just
on our shit. We felt tight grilled people, y'all. We
felt tough. But that ain't their debut, So that's not
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what we're talking about. We're talking about the debut. We're
talking about your man DMX. Hell Hell is sh shit.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Dazy, and a lot of that shit is all old.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
How about that he came out so five million with
old rhymes.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
That's crazy because I get mad at people.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Who want to bring back old shit, Like I'll be
like yo getting the studio work right now.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
He took records in rhymes that I heard him, so
he heard him before years before the world and it's
still with five wasn't the same beat, wasn't the same
rhymes though, it was not all of them, just a
nice percentage of that first album.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
We heard it before in Wio. It was still powerful.
And what was that like to see him? I mean,
you know you're around.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
He was already a yaw, was already like he was
already a star in Wyo.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
In every hood. When he come through, it was he
can put on. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
He used to do shows in the school twelve and
he had a big battle. He had an infamous battle.
He had two battles, but one of them is more
better than all with another with another iconic dude rapper
from Wyo, Bill Blast Mega Blast, and then.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Had a big battle. It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
That ship was over like five in the morning. Everybody
spent the night at my house. Almost got my ass
killed because my moms came. You was out there, everybody
you was watching. I couldn't miss that. That was part
of I rather did anything than I missed that shit.
I don't care what the kind to Quincy's was. You
couldn't miss that of you was for a while. Actually
they get paint staff versus DMX.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
You know what I'm saying. She was dope, man. She
was history and wild.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
You know, big punk Capital Punishment on my executive producer debut,
I feel like Pum was ahead of his time. A
lot of those guys that we got featured on this
album and all that was like they came on the.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Strength of me. They didn't even know who Pum was.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
But I also knew that the minute I pressed play
and they started hearing the music that they were gonna
want to get on the album. So everybody you hear
on that Capital Punishment album, they came most of them
even thought they was doing songs with me. I was
already already had two albums out, and when they came,
I was like.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Now you got to hear my man and man.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
That album was speaking for itself since the first day
we went in there. It just kept getting better and
better and better, and then so on. The dream Shatterer
had to ill a beat before it was like a victory,
like a like a biggie victory. It was like the
beat was too fucking you don't A lot of minds
(39:14):
are known the state and it's all. It was crazy,
but it was just a beautiful joy effort. And you know,
first soloist Latino artists to sell two million records change
the game. I think we had ten thousand platinum parties.
Everywhere we went it was a platinum part then used
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a brain. I think punt I had the same people
bringing the same platte. We'll be in the tunnel anywhere, yo, platinum,
start reincarnating the fucking platinum shit.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
You know he was.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
He was witty, He was incredible lyrically phenomenal, and he
puts some hits out the park Man that capital punishment
when it sets off with that, I gave you fair
warning and man, and you know what's crazy is being
that I'm part of this album. You know, it's hard
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for me to be from the outside there. I always
wondered what rappers felt like when they heard Pun's first
album and you here, they'll beware, and what that felt
like when you press play on that thing.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
No, I really knew what was going on with Pun Man.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Pun was on the first Man Pun albums came out together,
my first album in Capitol Punishment.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
We was on a lot of promo together. Back then.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
They would you know, the labels with he was on
planes together. That's the first time I seen somebody with
an extra buckle, an extra seat belt. Pun with the
first person that he get on, they give him a
stend though, and he's sitting on me O Jaya. They
gotta give me the thing.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Me, that's some that's just ill.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
He get on the handle of an extra stendo seat
belt buckle.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, I knew Pun was my nigga. You know what
I mean? We had Pun was that nigga man. I
used to be there.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
He used to be snapping on you, snapping on DJI rock.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Pun was crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Iraq was the best. He's up upstate. Your man Pun.
We did the Apollo around this time, and we went
and got We went five thousand and one. We got
the match in first. We had like the gray Furst
and inside and set big Pun inside and said, fat Joe,
I'm sure somebody got that somewhere, and I ain't gonna
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lie to Apollo. Gave us like twenty thousand dollars. That
was a big deal. When I was doing flow, Joe
was getting five hundred. Show your man Pun, we get.
That's the first money we ever got like that. Twenty
thousand dollars brand pack. I never forget. Evro was there,
Your man Pun. Dig in his pockets and throw the
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whole twenty grand in the crowd. No, I wanted my
two thousand, and I wanted my tent. I almost jumped
in the crowd after the money. I'm standing next to him.
It's like, fuck, daddy, throw the money. We just spent
ten thousand on furs. I'm like, yo, I try to
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jump back in there and grab the buddy.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
It was over.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
He was a true rockstar, Like we seen the gout
the game yesterday. He was a ridy riddy piper. He
was a Rick Flair. He was a rioty ridy piper,
real flag.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
He was an artist artist. You know.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
He would pull up the DMX album signing in a
limo and start throwing a hundred dollars bills at dmxis
fans and his crowd. Like he was just different. I'm
gonna go, you know, I'm always all over the play.
I'm gonna say, Woo tag thirty six chambers.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, that was at that's another world shifter. Nine dudes
from shouting nine.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I thought it was like thirty thirteen thirteen of them, right,
it's nine.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Originals, might be one hundred add on docus bro.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
I almost smacked my son one time. He did.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
He did the back. But this back in the days.
He's a grown man now. But I asked him when
he was like fourteen to fifteen, Yo, give me all
the members of Woo Tank couldn't say they man, I
was about the small.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
I was like, yo, ma, man I smacked his ship
out of you. You don't know that all the members
of Woo tight, No, that was very thing. He got it.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
They shifted the world off or something like, Yo, I
was dumb tight.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
None members shall in different slang, adding other karate flicks
they just took over the world. The Rizer production. That
ship was like a breath of fresh aird to to
the hip hop culture that I mean. And then they
just planted mad Seeds with Math, Ghost Ray, Dirty, Jesu
(43:53):
rizzor spect the deck. That probably nothing like that to
ever be done ever again. God it is to make
nine seven and a half eight stars solo, but nine
stars together, the new.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Edition of hip Hop facts that they all went on
to sell millions of records solo. You know, to this day,
I got people who argue about ghost Face. You know,
he might be the greatest. His first album might be
the greatest. I mean, you got the you got the
Purple Tape, you got Ray Kwan, you got anything.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
With anything meta. Man.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Let me tell you something. I honestly used to think
that the greatest record ever made was his Sinning morn
in Blue.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
I took it took me about a good fifteen years
to get up off that, huh, all I need. It
took me fifteen years to figure out, like, all right,
you know, this might not be the greatest song ever made,
like I thought it was great. Yo.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
They playing that shit anywhere that shit came on. It
was like the ten Son, like this is number one?
What about the first Brand Nubian debut that was knocked?
The Brand Nubian ship was crazy, No, no, no, Grand
Pooba was the best beat was crazy. The grand POOLA
was the best. Grand Poobab was the best. Grand Pool
(45:22):
Bos the only rapper I ever watched a whole entire
club this dancing doing the real shit.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
It was that dance rap that the DJ said, brand
new Grandpoop.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
I watched everybody go to the speaker stop dancing just
to hear what the fuck he was gonna?
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Had that mean bars with the voice, with the cadence,
and he was told to one time me tell you me,
let me get your staf, let me tell you story.
So you got My wife got two brothers from a
father the older, and they had kids.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
And they know they move around and live well.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
One day one of the nieces came with us. They
came to our crib for the weekend, had a nice time.
Now it was time to bring her back on Sunday.
So it was like Sunday evening we get the new row.
I'm like, nah, I'll walk in it's dark, you know
what I mean. I'll take in. Actually, what door it is.
They bring me to the door. Hey thing done?
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Open the door. It's poolba the wng door? Yo? Pool?
The kiss? What's up? Me? And she lived with them?
Speaker 1 (46:35):
I got back in the car, like the fucking tell
me she lived with grand Pooba?
Speaker 3 (46:39):
What was you gonna tell me? She wife? That was
his wife. He was, she was there.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
He was the guardy guse his girl was was raising.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Well, they could at least told me Pool with my
answer to the door when you go there?
Speaker 3 (46:54):
I took him. I'm like this, yo, what Grandpa like? Nah?
She lived here? Me? Pool? You know what's up? He's like,
what's up? That ship was he? You know?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Grand Pool Ball took a chance with me. You know
my first album shout out before that and the man
he showed up Jazzy j Studio eight. He kicked the
verse with me in Diamond. I don't know how I
meant Poolbar, but ever since we kicked it off, we
was family. We was friends. He shot the vide. He
(47:24):
can't he's in the flow Joe video. Grand Pool Bar
him got.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
On especially from West shesteron poo Pool was that nigga?
All right?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Once again you're not You're not really trying to hear me,
because I've been saying I said it like two three times,
and you really like almost ignoring none of the best.
You know how, there's some guys out there that'll argue
with everybody talking about Jada Kiss Top five dead or live.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
He's somebody's top five dead all live as he should.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
He was the best brand football. Sit As my nigga
brought that ship to the table. Wow, low boys, wold cowboys,
you're bid sid As. He's one of my favorite rappers
at the time. I remember when Pootball who was that
Dante Ross? Somebody signed him over there at a lecture.
It's the biggest talk in the world. You know the
(48:23):
brand Nuggie mean sort.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
But don't be gotten to me. You're wrong. That's where
it's supposed to be. Check it out now, check it
out now, shut.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Out the lord jam Yeah, okay, come on, don't go there.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Now go there because if we go there, you much.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
I'm gonna have to say, fifty second, get Richard Doe Trup.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
We turned it up real quick, jeez, Uni, we could
get the drama popa nigg that probably might be arguing
to be one of the debut.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
That's like up there with Snoop fifty Sugars, up there
with with Doggy Style.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
He asks me for the East.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Coast, for the world coast. They had the same kind
of effect as Doggy Style.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Man.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
That ship was everywhere when he came out, some nigga
shit is semi everywhere, both of them. Ships was everywhere
every way you could think of white people everywhere, every commerce,
you every spring break, every.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
You open your door, your window, you saw that ship.
It Richard I Try and Doggy.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Style imagine you got beef for them shortly after that,
and they playing that ship. It was beating up every
DJ allegedly did not play the shot.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
The beef was beef niggas at beef for fifty was
at to get Richard Try.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Worked bad, No, no, really bad.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Still the residue it was the other album man, Biggie Bank.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yeah, it was down there, cool door for a little
it's not a lot on a little enough enough God. Yeah,
that was a different field that we don't play, that
we don't air around.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
And when you create music, fifty cent was giving you
like three songs in one song, three different hit.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
It's crazy, bro.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
That album could have really been three albums, four olbls.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
The way he was doing all that. Ship Ah to unit,
we don't play around. He was like, yo, it was.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Too easy for I don't know what kind of zone
he was in, but everything was too easy for me.
At the bars, he had the beats. He felt like
my back break was killing ship.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
It's a difference. There's a difference between street park bars.
At your leisure.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
You can have a nice pop you come and when
we see him in the videos, in the street part,
you can jump out and have a coconut. It's different
when you in jail doing bars. In the bars, just
what they.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Did to him.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
He was trying to like to bet with them, and
then we ain't doing like him.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Don't do that two times. You ain't doing bars like
Jada kiss get at it.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
Yeah, man, the nigga doing well. He calling up like
this ship doing all type of shit. You ain't doing
all that. Don't don't stop. Please. Just because you did
jail time don't mean you know how to do that.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
They don't know how you pedal the bike. I'm not
don't do that. Jay Z reasonable doubt.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Crazy, crazy, crazy shit crazy. He taught me right because
I was a street dude. Man, I was a street dude, but.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
I didn't really so much really get into like the
business dawn drug shit to like my second album, the
first album was I Stick You Up, I Smacked You Up,
you know, all that type of shit.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
But that reason of booed.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Oubt showed me you could talk like like I could
real my live, my real life music.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
I'm listening to shit and I felt like it was
my life. I felt like, yo, you could rap about
your life and music. So in videos, I'm wearing the
Army fatigues, but I'm going to my man's party with
the sky blue suit on, with the gators, with the
this this, this Now, we could rap about it and
put it in the video and do that.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
I felt like Reason that moved out did that for me.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
And I remember driving back and forth from New York
to Miami just playing that one album.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Back to back to back to back.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Uh, that's another one right after Illmatic. That kind of
changed my life to where it was like, all right,
if you're gonna wrap this where you need to be,
you need to talk more about your life.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
If you need to talk that shit, you need to die.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
That that pushed me more towards me being the Don
Cardajina Like publicly, I was already the Don Carda Gina
behind the scene, but publicly it said you can do this.
And I don't know what the fuck Onyx first album
was with them two they changed fat Joe's whole life
because I just pick a up dad one shot. I
(53:26):
was like, what the fuck up? Onyx unsung heroes. Some
of the greatest music I ever heard was Onyx.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Sticky just sent me so I steel not all lats
right now twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
He sent me saying, are you listening to me? Sticky?
Just send me a song. That's crazy, that'sh weak crazy.
Who had to pick beats? The beat is crazy? They
knew how to pick beats.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
They had some mean one of them Onyx. I think
it's the second one. The beats on the second Onyx.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Album is some of the best. Trying to revisit those
ships great, Yo, huh Fradjoe. Nobody writes that Joe Robs
seen you and my brother I love you. I'll see
you on the video on the.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
He said this, he said, you know Joe got ghostwriters
this and that. Yo, You're delusional.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Nobody could write my life, write my rhymes, nothing like that,
and I love you.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
Frajoel.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Frad Joel is a good guy. I've just picked you
up on another level. But by seeing you the only
person in history on the video talking about Yeah Joe,
you know Joe got please brother got me fucked up.
Thirty seven years of doing this ship, I do this
in my slate, but Fradie produced all that. Let me
(54:55):
tell you something. He's a genius.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
Carolina.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Them guys, them guys different and they changed my life.
So Fred Joe, when you look at my interviews about you,
they always say you changed my life.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Dude. Documentary The Game? Crazy is that?
Speaker 2 (55:11):
And how game is the first rapper that if you
didn't tell everybody says that a million times.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
But if you.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Didn't tell me he's from Compton, I would think he's
from New York.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
He was the first, you know, the West Coast, they
got their own sound.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Heard he study of the first Compton nigga with a
Yankish flow, all the bronx, the Yankish flow. Looking up
Compton nigga with the Yukish flow.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
I repeat, still New York yunk will grill no listen.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
I agree with him what you want me to go?
Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yonkers fucking locks of some of the greatest rappers ever lived.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
I'm not disrespecting that. Who said that? Loo?
Speaker 2 (56:03):
He said that he got a Yonker Slow, Okay, I'll
give you that. What I'm trying to say is Martin
new for had to dream?
Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yeah dream? Hey did I love it? Crazy?
Speaker 1 (56:17):
He had new clear missiles on on both hold document
to this day, first one with the debut though, is
a is a smoker?
Speaker 3 (56:26):
No biking. Nobody in front the numbers.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
The numbers prove it four or five million, right, I'm
gonna and nobody's saying ready to die her?
Speaker 3 (56:37):
Niggas is over here playing around like ready, you're just
floating all over run. He's floating over it, stopped floating
for a minute. Ready to die?
Speaker 1 (56:47):
Is He came in and twitched the old way niggas
was rapping back then.
Speaker 4 (56:52):
Who be out Nigga small things? The whole entire rap
game just floating debut albums. His flow is cadence to
this day. Don't make sense. He died when he was
like twenty six, twenty seven. He only did two years
of damage and in fucking phenomenal. There's not a day
(57:15):
not a day in my blessed life that God has given.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
Me that I do not hear Biggie Small song. What
he was able to do to take rap, underground music
and commercialize it changed my life, in every other rapper's life.
Speaker 3 (57:34):
He was twenty four years old when he died, a
fucking baby.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
Twenty five or twenty six or twenty four, twenty four.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
Pac was twenty six, Oh it was Pac. Pac was
young too, twenty six.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
But man twenty five and twenty four is crazy man
to billy get in the club.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
I think that's some bullshit. But Biggie Small's to this day,
his flows is Cadence. You know.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
I help get the song together with him and Bone
Thugs in Harmony.
Speaker 3 (58:06):
That's another album.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
Look up the first Bone Thugs in Harmony first album,
so thirty million records.
Speaker 3 (58:15):
He's nineteen ninety nine. For the love of money.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
Gotta get that money, baby, money, baby, gotta get that money.
Speaker 3 (58:24):
Baby.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
Let me tell you some boy, I miss my uncle Georgia.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
Call him George ms Buncle Georgia, Uncle Charles. Fuck with
George ms Buncle George. At least yo, George, Uncle George.
Speaker 3 (58:55):
You know yo. Listen, now you go George.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
You know how you go to the hey, ain't meaning
to be like, Hi, I'm Joe, I'm an alcoholic. It's
like Hi, I'm fat, Joe, I'm a fuck up, I'm
a bug out. I change all the words. That's why
we're gonna have a problem.
Speaker 3 (59:11):
Rich. We put it back, Rich toward back to me.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
You can't even memorize my own robs, so imagine memorizing
your rhymes.
Speaker 3 (59:20):
Just somebody else round.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
I fuck everybody shit up, But I got that boning
Biggie done. Biggie hit me up, said Joe, I want
to rock with your man's. I know that your man's
be on the same label. I'm hanging out with them
every day. Then you had a relationship with Bob. I
had to really really convince them, and I know to
this day they're happy. I convinced them, and Steve Lobell
(59:43):
brought them to the studio. The rest is history. With
that bone in Biggie Biggie boner, and nobody in New
York was thinking about am in dangerous? Ain't too Minny,
can't bang with us?
Speaker 3 (59:54):
Sing up?
Speaker 2 (59:55):
We know ain'tel us and Torios so co be with
you know who this nobody was thinking about that flow
at that time. When he did it, it was like, you know,
big with somebody that's like you.
Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
I mean, damn man, we got a big this thing.
I'm right over here, yea something saluted man. Biggie was
like you in the very way of you never said
a whack verse.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
So every time Biggie ku ryme on one twelve, he
could rhyme on fucking.
Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
A girl's TLC shit whatever, it ain't not anything that
we would listen to him. We would listen to the
new verse.
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
And be like, Damn, Biggie did it again. He was
super nice. He did this and this and that. It
was crazy. You know what I'm saying, b ig that
ready to die. That ship to this day is one
of my favorite uh you know what I mean? For
the slave since for the same and the two Yo Biggie,
I have my homies, total bust of shit.
Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Every record.
Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
It wasn't just I don't know if it was a fan,
but as a rapper, every verse similar to you, every
verse Biggie ever spit, we would analyze it immediately be like, yo,
he did this song with total you know everything. You'd
be like, damn body, that ship again. It's not easy
(01:01:22):
to body every single verse. You know Jady Kish, you
know he's really good at that. You know what I'm saying.
We be listening for every verse like, oh shit, Jenna
gonna spit that ship right now? Who else you put
in that in that category of every verse they have
a spit, you would listen to it like, oh shit,
(01:01:45):
he about to spit that ship.
Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Huh, black thought, Black thought. It's superiorly nice. We all agree.
Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Lauren's deput Tell me about Lauren Ill because I always
mis education.
Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
She sided me bigger than all, Like, you got this education,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Liker Hill, I got Lauren got the same birthday one.
Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
It's big up. That's it. We wont we ail like.
Education is one of the most classical albums. They gave
it the best album. I got the same burden Lauryn Hill.
Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Three stacks somebody Lauryn Hill and three stacks mean we
will share the same birthday.
Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
And I say more we ail like miss.
Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Edutainment of Laurence Hill, groundbreaking album phenomenal because she could
sing incredible and she got the bass.
Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
I felt cheated as a hip hop fan.
Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Then she retired so quick like, I think we would
have had multiple albums of greatness. You know, I think
we got wrong from Lauren Hill, you know, walking off
the game because she would have had four or five
classic albums.
Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
I can't see her making wax shit and definitely where
she left the game at that time. Ah she was.
She just still to this day, all these girls are great.
I love them all. You know, Remy gets a little.
Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Upset because she wants me to cheat and say Remy's
the greatest. Can't nobody fuck with lawn Nell Lauryn Hills
in the fucking lane of her home.
Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Nobody. That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
And so uh what Little Kim's first album that we're
talking about? Females allcour crazy. Little Kim first album was
crazy hardcore. Everybody shifted ss Amelia, that shifted.
Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
The way females wanted to present themselves after Little Kim,
Foxy first album, I know Nan crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
You see Elliott for he our can't stand the Raves.
The Brat shit bout numbers than everybody funk the fat Yes,
the fucking Brat was the first to crack open that gate.
Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Harsh shit. She had real.
Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Fans minus shit platinum, but uh, Foxy and kim Man.
That's like Brandy Monica. That was a time, you know
what I mean. I think you know, it's very hard
for a man to really be bumping the girl's album
like that, driving in your car like the whole album,
(01:04:36):
but riding around like you think you playing the shit
and you got Foxy.
Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
You got Kim On.
Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Recently, I listened to that Cardi B album about ten
twenty times.
Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Cardi B, she got some balls of there better than dudes.
It's it's really incredible the way they put that album together. Recently,
Cardi B's album is phenom and the girls is eating
it up. They hello, they going crazy the ship on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
I'm not comparing the album to Lauren Hill or Foxy
or Kemn's Days Get.
Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
I ain't saying anyone, but I'm just saying, you got that,
You got that Uncle Gredy eyes. You know what I'm saying.
You just you giving me the eyes like wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait wait wait, you're giving me that now.
Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
I'm telling you an album right now, it's better than
most guys in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Cardi B got that ship right now. Let's see this,
Ain't that that?
Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Ain't this cracking kissing baskets bitch,
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