September 18, 2025 • 62 mins
Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by Lil Cease. Joe and Jada talk to the Junior M.A.F.I.A. rapper about being mentored by The Notorious B.I.G., the East Coast vs. West Coast beef with Tupac and Biggie, missing out on meeting Michael Jackson, and the bond shared between himself, Biggie, and Lil’ Kim. The three New Yorkers reminisce on the 1990s hip hop era, talk about Biggie’s brief but legendary run at the top of the rap game, and Joe shares stories about rappers running from sharing a cypher with Big Pun, Biggie’s relationship with Jay-Z, KRS-One saving Joe’s life by taking him on tour, and the influence Heavy D had on him.
3:00 - New Mobb Deep & posthumous recordings
8:00 - Biggie writing for Lil Cease
10:00 - Story behind "Lil Cease crippled me" lyric
13:30 - What Cardi B has in common with Biggie
17:30 - Jada thought Lil Cease was way older than him
29:30 - Fat Joe witnessed Biggie record "Hypnotize"
34:15 - "Juicy" & how Biggie paved the lane for rappers
39:00 - Rappers were SCARED to rap with Big Pun
41:00 - RIP Voletta Wallace
44:15 - Biggie loved Los Angeles
46:00 - Imagine a Biggie x Big Pun song
54:00 - Cease missed out on meeting Michael Jackson
59:00 - Lil Cease's first sessions
1:01:00 - Biggie told Joe about Jay-Z
1:02:30 - Heavy D's influence
1:04:00 - Tupac & Biggie will live forever
1:05:30 - How KRS-One saved Joe's life
1:07:00 - Why Joe and Jada keep working
1:09:00 - Joe's toured ALL of Africa
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He ain't get here to have twenty thirty year run
like anybody else did. But if you buys too and
he niggas, he will be smoking everything.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yo, Yo, what up? This is Fat Joe the Gangster Boy,
Jada kiss you know what it is? Did Joe and
Jada show fly.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
From the Fountain, Blue Fround, blow with up ladies and gentlemen.
Make some noise for my brother from another mother the
same name Facts Season Lee a little.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Seed, y'all, Thank y'all, Thank y'all, man, Thank y'all for
having one of the best shows in America right now.
You know what I'm saying, So salute to y'all. Many y'all,
y'all sees you a legend. Man, you ain't living you know,
on that couch right there. Hear that from you. That's
love for me. No, that's a fact though. And we
(01:06):
go we go so back.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
If y'all don't know, we were just shooting a podcast.
The Seas came to hang out with us and we
forced the couch. I said, fuck guy, let's get seasoned
in these two legendary We got to get him up here.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
But we was just listening to.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
New marb D right, and Prodigy sounds so good on it.
I literally, I literally, I don't work hard enough to
do this, but I literally thought of making the album
in case if I died, No doubt it.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Just say, you know, ten.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Years after I died, putting my will New Fat Joe
album and they could do whoever want to do the
beats to the ship, this, this, that, and imagine a
fresh after you die ten years later, New Fat Joe
talking shit on there?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
You know that shit that. I mean. Look, we've listening
to New mar D. They got it. I'm coming out
with Prodigy, got man new verses and it sounds great too.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It sounds good too, like you know, it don't sound
like nothing changed. It don't sound like that sweat. But
I mean songs you got like that. I'm sure you
got verses you got for them to release, Your family
gonna get the money.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well you dying.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
That's how I look at it, you know what I mean?
Like I wish b I did more of that, you
know what I'm saying. But B I was too much young,
writing songs for other ships. He was writing Junior Mafia songs,
him songs, was writing puff songs. He was you know,
so he did a lot of albums at one expand
you know like that like you so you wish.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
You have no crazy To me, I've been hearing a
lot of like Foxy Brown is the best.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Foxy Brown's first feature was I Shot You with lu
Me Keith Berriet. I remember Baa keeping them. I already
knew this girl was crazy dumb. But rumor has it
all of her verses, either Jay Row or Nosro.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So this is like, is it true or not? I mean,
I'm not let me say it.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Like this right his own botto man, when even what
it was, he goes every time every time I hear
Foxy Brown, of course that's the cadence and everything. I'm
not saying nothing wrong with it. I'm just saying that
when you'll bring these up when when there right already
(03:38):
I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Go with that. I want to hear because I did
we get here. No, I'm not doing that. I'm not
really not doing I'm just a guess. I don't think this.
I don't think I'm saying nothing wrong, nothing right here.
(04:00):
I think he shs left that lost, so let's leave
it alone.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
She said, your big role for junior Manfia Big wrote
for little Kim, and you.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Just went all the way to park Slope. That's not
I'm never picking on Foxy. I'm not I'm not doing that.
So also Foxy says she wrote her own ship. She's saying,
we don't know what she said. I don't know that you.
I don't know. No, I'm not trying to start. Listen,
(04:33):
let me just say for me, stay out said something.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
You say, you got some right there remains son Okay
on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Kids and will be held in g So I fucked
you saying because I said you got that right? Yes,
if you can't you that Joe.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Now, I'm where's my flying Casey?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Didn't you just put it? You just do? You just
do the alley? You know, I didn't think.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I don't think there's nothing wrong with If you know
you think what I'm saying is blasphemy. I think what
I'm saying ain't nothing wrong. I don't know if it's
true or not. That's what I always heard. Somebody said first.
Somebody wrote on the two people wrote all of your
(05:30):
verses you be ready to fucking kill. That ain't regular people,
it's Jay z or Nottill. Okay, sorry for around you
right your own. I didn't know that for years. I'm
in the eris.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I ain't gonna knowing.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Up.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Okay, I'm gonna keep it right.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Here in the study we there though, as an artist,
for me, I have songs written that BIGI wrote for me.
That's the big past. I started to write my own round,
That's what I'm saying. So sometimes a history like that
can change. You can start out as somebody kind of
introducing you or bringing you into something, and once you
figure it out, you could kind of take your you know,
(06:09):
your own anth like. But that's how I was brought
up into it. I was a I was a situation.
I was an opportunity, a business deal. No big say hey,
they said, you rock it with me, a little bro.
You know what, I'm gonna do something even better for you.
I'm gonna I'm gonna make sure you get right, and
I'm gonna write. I'm gonna write you some songs now
instead of you hype me in it for me now
now here you go and then from there. I expected
(06:30):
him to pass at that time and for things to happen.
But I had to, you know, let me figure it
out from here now.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And i'd be very generous, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Super she shine that light on say even the word
he no fucking songs they got, you know, said like no, man,
my I used to love it, like the law sens
familia let me feel uh the ultimate rush trucks baby,
but she got not to say nothing outside of that.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Him came in as a writer before all that. But
you know, when you got a team of people, everybody
just kind of worked together. That's how I came up
into it, you know, going up around that bad boy error.
You know, it's writers, you got called, you got Faith,
you got all these different people in there, lots maces
people in there. It's just energy going around.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I've just seeing you super tight with Faith for the
last couple of years. You was always tight with her
like that. It just wasn't no Instagram, right yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know I see it on Instagram. Ain't nothing changed.
It's been like that shout out to fake like that.
That's that's that's because they's just for real, like in
real life. Like yeah, you know, I can't call her
underrated because she's a superstarted, superstar, but how vocals are
(07:43):
still underrated no doubt. Like I went to a Comporter's
funeral and Faith sung in there, and I was just
she's am kwan wedding and we were just all there.
You never see there our songs in the funeral. She
just was singing like the gospel or whatever. And I
(08:05):
was just like, oh my god. I always knew she
was incredible, But that day, I mean, you know, I
was brought to a different emotion. Boh, so we got
little cs. Little C's crippled me? Why would why would
Biggie say.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
That he crimpled? You know, what's the problem with this guy?
He don't real lives.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
We're telling the story to millions of people out there
because he know the story.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
He think everybody know the story. I don't know the story.
You do know all of ship that. I do know
the story. But I want you to tell people why.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
No ship ship? I don't know why? Why big he
said that that yeah, and the ones we crashed. You
was driving he was trippled seas was you high?
Speaker 5 (08:55):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
It was a jug that ice. We had a fucked
up car. N that wasn't a link.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
We the lex Land had got fucked up the day
before that. We got arrested the day before that.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Somebody don't know, you hit somebody with a bat, right
they y'all hit somebody. Big, big guy locked up for
hitting somebody with a bat. I wasn't that incident.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
But we was in the back of Brooklyn meet him
and money l you know what I'm saying, and uh,
we were smoking and just so happened. Police just happened
to pull up around there and we put the weed
out soon as they like full up, you know what
I'm saying. So they they locked you up for we yeah,
just a blunt this is, but we're talking about like
a long.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Time ago type of shot down. When they locked you
up blunt.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
They took us to the precinct really just put us
in there, took our name down whatever, and we came
back outside the Lexus land wasn't working. Son came and
picked us up, took us to the crib and then
we went to get a loaner's car from the Lexus
deller please, and they gave us the Lumina van and and.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Aluminivat rode to be on the line too. This is.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
They gave us a lumin event and I was like,
you be on this ain't no Lexus car. And we
had a he like your chill. We just call a
low ride. Were chilling and uh, I just made one
turn because the brakes was all fucked up. That ship
was already like rubbing on the roaders and ship we
had a it was the car they run around.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
They give you the bullshit car.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, and he wanted to ride in that. And we
rolled and I hit a little spin and don't and
we went across the ship and we crashed, Yeah, across
the ship. On the other side. That north and south
did divide us. So north very day north, and that
(10:44):
ship the car went south. We were on the other side.
Man right into a rail and that was it, he said, strongly.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Rip to lose yo. Listen. You know.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
One thing I learned from Big right was people always
like to say that if you become successful, you changed.
Now we know now enough that we're old enough to
know that you gotta have growth. You can't be thinking
like you thought twenty years ago, thirty years ago. That's
natural growth. But I'm not talking about growth. I'm talking
(11:21):
about if you blow off or some of your guys
in your hood are looking at you like you changed
with They don't know if you change right, you just
working whatever. And I got this famous story. I think
you was there and my second album had came out,
and I ain't Ceebi in the wild because because to
(11:44):
this day, the closest thing I could call to like
Biggie is maybe Cardi B. Meaning her success of how
she just went fast, like wow, five year it was
number one, two and three.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
It's like out, that's a fact.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Now I'm with him with an army fatigue, and he
was like, Yo, you coming show tonight.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I went to the show.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
He had fucking gators on and salmon suits with like
this ship. Was like I'm sitting there in the passenger
seat watching this ship. I'm like, Yo, this is fucking nuts.
Nigga just shot up one, two and three. I never
seem Yeah, but I never seen that again. I never
(12:26):
seen it. And then to maybe Cardi B. How she
was just on love and hip hop. Next thing, you know,
she's out of the world at the squirrel right vol
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
That's what Biggie did to me. I mean you not
with Biggie.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
He got a fucking army fatigue. He said, come and
show tonight, give me the tickets.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I come and show.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Niggas got a fur coat over salmon ship with gators.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It was like, Yo, what who the fuck is this?
How fast it changed? Though? Like for real? Am I
not lying? It's like I'm like, yo, what the fuck?
Like his kids, I'm.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Happy because young is doing that ship like really, like
you know, like I was wearing this shit at fifteen,
doing that type of ship, and like, really, how could
niggas can't say nothing to me which you're doing or
everybody I done did it already.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
When I was fourteen. That's crazy like that.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
That's why I could sit back right now and just
like man, I was selling my balcony in Miami, sitting
my crib and just chilling SAMs.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
You know what I'm saying, and chilling kat is at fourteen. Man,
you have no gators when you were fourteen. I'm the
first time. Hold on, hold on, hold he right, He's right,
because you know I like the brag.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Nope, the method I was at fourteen, unless that was
at Riverse, I had the med I just wanted to
hear you say it. Nah, I did have dapping down
at fourteen. You can act stamping. Damn, we should bring
him on the show. But what I am going to
say to you. Is the first time I did get dated.
(14:01):
I had five thousand dollars in my bank account. It
was steeped. On the of his wedding. I go to
God five thousand and one and I said, Yo, I
need that biggie shit. Man, I need that movie. He
was like, you want that shit? I said yeah, he
said what I said, Scott Blue. He said, I'm gonna
make you the hat. I'm ana diet like the suit.
I'm gonna get you to get this. That nigga might
(14:21):
to four thousand and nine, one hundred and fifty dollars
for me.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I never paid that much for anything.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I went broke behind the sky blue suit and the Gators.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I could not I could not even believe it.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
You know what happened that night? You They had a
fucking wyot. They had a fight and I got blood
all over this. I couldn't never wore the suit again.
It was like forty nine, one hundred and five hundred.
The guy told me that joke dollar to day he
called me up started life. Remember you wanted that biggie shit, right.
I was like, yo, God, you took my last nigga
for the shop, Like, are you that.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Serious with the price. That's why I made me lose
wait a little. He was smoking nigga.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
So you had to go to the department store. I
spent millions week. I spent fucking millions with God. I
spent guy. Yeah, y'all spent millions with got yeah be
out did yeah millions. I was still yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I was still kar Kani Champion, cold heads, the hours
of one light nigga, this coolie his last So.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I used to think they was mad older than us.
They was driving.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I used to go to d like they driving.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Give me a lice, give me a call with a license.
He's talking to the mad little niggas over there, and
there were supposed to be driving. But niggas was rich, Bro,
they were still small driving.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Man. I'm looking at that niggas my side. We come
to the studio every day. I see him every day.
You coming down yourself. He just signed I'm coming there
with b I.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I want to drive you coming in there with B
I and John Branson.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
He's to a Lexus Land Bro. I was there. I
was there this week.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I stand up in cars back then, I should stand
up in the WHEB and the m p V.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I can stand up in it. Yeah, you could stand up,
stand up in one. I didn't realize he was that young, Like, yeah,
that's all I know.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
He was young, But I ain't making him a.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Guy. They committed a crime. You know what he did.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
He blew his wolfers off as a little kid. You
see what I'm saying. You thought he was a small
grown man.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
He was a little kid. He was drinking his weed
all yeah, in school. Yeah, let me tell you something.
I'm outside you.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I'm not talking no bullshit, but damn, I was about
to tell your story. But it's fun. I like I
is moving. It was a little guy, a little guy. Listen,
there's a little.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Guy, not the long guys. That was really guy. That
know what me?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I saw that as that is the fact they would
have called me cat for everything. Let me tell you,
get me mad. It's a little bigger. It's like the
big t s. I proved it, my nigga, fe no,
I prove you love you?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Did you did? I know what?
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I know why happened when America's most wanted the guy
called you up? When I thought the guy on America's
most wanted that what happened cool?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
The cool? What it really happened?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
And he appreciated you for not saying his name because
there's no statue of limit.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Some I'm showing to imagine being a rapper, you gotta
go fight a guy on America smokes wanted one on
one and he's cocked DS.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Can you pull up?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
You know how much courage that takes for a fucking rapper.
Imagine that guy would have wh this shit out of me.
They would have been talking about me to this day. Yo,
Remember what Joe got washed? Dragged out there? This, this, that.
But the moral to the story is when the BMF,
When BMF like BMF. I'm in Miami, okay and lean
(18:40):
backs number one. We're disgusted with the paper. Every club
you go to, you see twenty guys, thirty guys with
TS chains all over, Cadillac trucks all over this beast.
This ship was out of control, right, So if you
came to Miami, you knew you knew that.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
When you came to Miami, you look up any given day,
they in there deep, right. So every night I'm going
to the club, I see this little kid, he's twelve
years old.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I'm gonna say his name now, is with some mother
wild shit going on there's got nothing to.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Do with what we're talking about. But the kid pee
wee that allegedly, you know they talking about with the
little Wayne Bus or whatever.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
I knew him twelve years old. I would come to
the club. He'd be with BMF every day with two
million dollars in diamonds.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Little baby like little C's might have had him.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
He ain't no rapper. So every day I come in like, yo, crack,
you give me in the club. Give me, I say, yo, bro,
I can't get you. If fucking big meats and the
niggas can't get you in the.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Club, I think I ain't even blowing out the bottles
they buying every Yo, bro, I can't get you in.
But he was a cool little kid. He would come
all the time.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
But one day I looked at him right and I said,
one day because I took him for granted, And one
day I'll never forget. I was over there in that
club where where we said Cali used to d and
yesterday he was crossed the shoe I pull up in
the phantom, he said, Yo, he cracked And then for
some reason, my eyes. You know how you go to
the eye doctor and your shit fuzz out and go clear.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And my shit funched out and went clear.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
And I looked at them fucking diamonds on his neck
and he's in the stay in the party.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
He's in the middle of the street by himself.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I'm like, Yo, this kid is like twelve years old
and like two million diamonds on. I was like, Yo, No,
he ain't scared. Nobody's looking at him, nobody's this that's
a true story. That might be the youngest guy ever
seen with some shit on like that. He was everywhere
he was with them. What the fuck was he doing
(20:44):
with them? He was twelve years old. Everywhere they went.
He used to be with a and he used to
be with Floyd too. Oh I didn't know that, so
he'd been outside, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
A lot of histories like that.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
You get like, you know he was he was outshot
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Speaker 4 (23:42):
I'm gonna tell you what happened, right So, I'm in
the studio with Biggie while he's making hippototes, and the
beat keep going boom.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Right though.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
One o'clock, twenty Spanish girls come o'clock, they leave, twenty
Chinese girls, three o'clock, twenty Jamaican girls come, four o'clock.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Knocked it out. Yo, I did not know this shit.
I'm listen thinking was a superstar before me. I didn't
know this shit exists.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
I'm sitting up in there and I'm like, Yo, what
the this is what it's like when you number one,
two and three.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I'm fat Joe with the fucking army fatig stick.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
I'm sitting there, I'm like, Yo, this is.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yo.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Ses I did not believe it. That's that's I could.
I would just and they just kept coming, like yo,
this Faith calls up right, puts in it.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Is not it's a cool story. She calls up.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
He he puts on the speaker right, so he's laughing.
You know, he's a committed you fat motherfucker. You this
this that I know you in there, you with the
ugly bitches, this and this and this is when I knew.
Biggy said, hold up, why they gotta be ugly bitches?
They could be models.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yo.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I wanted one night and I couldn't take it, yo,
yo yo sees, I couldn't take you season. I'm like, yo,
you know, I thought he was like a superhero to
me when I was with him, and shit, i've seen
his successful. What I'm saying would never changing, right, So
I he just exploded. So imagine you hanging out with
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a dude and the next thing you know, he's the
biggest superstar on the planet Earth.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I don't see him for a couple of months. I
put out my second album.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
I'm going to some shit maybe Billboard magazine or something
like that, all the vibe, and I just see a
bunch of people around the truck. And as I get closer,
I see b I G, I see U, I see
Little Kim, and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Oh shit, that's big. And you know what Fat Joe did.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Fat Joe, I'm embarrassed to tell you about for that
split second my mind, you cronable.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I'm telling you the truth.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
And that in my mind he became up to superstar.
Said all that Nigga must have changed. And right when
I get to turn away, you know how people say
people change, he.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Was like, yo, crack, Joe crack. So I look at
him as big so I walk over there.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
He starts telling Little Kim and sees, Yo, we've been
bumping this album right, you like it? He said, Yo,
you stepped your shit up. And I was like, that
taught me. That was such a life lesson. That taught me, like,
don't assume people change. They could still be the same people.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
No matter what success it is.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
It'd be your perspective of people that without judging. He
you know, you know rights, he one thing about my nigga,
Like outside of all the street ship, he was a
fan of the music.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Right, So if you really was dope, that's all he
cared about. You.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Don't give a fuck what you did outside. He ain't
gotta be that real nigga. That nigga nothing you can rack.
He fucks with you.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
That's it. Let me ask you some social from this
underground rapper.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
We see videos of him rhyming in the Brooklyn with
the mic recipes.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Mister c Ship he's doing Clark Kent Clark forty Gold Bros.
The Old Gold Brothers o G Bros. G Yeah, Big
First DJ was fifty grand. He had a crew called
the O G B The Old Gold Brothers. So he
just passed away like three years ago him, mister C
(27:43):
and DJ clark Kin, so.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
He was So what I'm trying to understand is, so
he's this underground battle rapper. Because when I met Biggie Biggie,
I was in the lyricist lounds giving out the flow
Joe Vinyl to the DJ, and he went up there
and back to ten. They're gonna say, yo, Joe, I'm
saying ten, so it don't sound cap.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
He taught the ball down. He had a backpack on it.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Puff was on stage doing the Puff dance and hyped
up this this this, I'm looking at the cross said,
oh this vibe, He's gonna be pig.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Right, So we became cool.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
What I'm saying is when he started making these records
like Wrapping to Juice, he and all that was that
a Puff bringing the R and B to it? Or
was it Big saying I want to do these kind
of records.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
He didn't want to do that. You know that that
was all Puff? Thank God? I mean, what's out question?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Nobody he listened to her, So originally he didn't want
Because I believe that changed, well I don't believe, I
know that changed the whole hip hop game.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Like to this day, Fat Joe's catch one of them
What's love or this?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Everybody you and she was a model four year that's
all that formula, right. We flipped those ship and we
had singing the hooks. We're R and B singers and
all that. You know what I'm saying. That was a
big thing. So it was like Puff broke those beats
to the table.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
That was straight his.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
He probably got to be because he knew he had
somebody that was like the dopest right in the world.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Though that's my I'm favorite rapper, right, So.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Imagine you in the position the power of you could
sit behind the desk and you got the top from Jordan,
player of this league, and you could tell him to
do anything, play point guard, play shooting guard, play forward,
play center.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, big did everything. Cadence Kaden those yours.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
If you want to talk about anything that compared the
rap I think he's the one that covered every ground
of how you want to do it in the most
such a prefection way in the shortest span like that.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
We only had three years though he came out in
ninety four.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
In ninety seven, we ain't get a chance to enjoy nothing,
but he did though he he no, I've been doing
that for Junior Mafia on Earth.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
No, no, no here. Hey. He paved the way for everybody.
Fucked you Big to show this.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Everybody like on the hip hop culture, whether you know
it or not, you was influenced by the B I G.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
The B I G.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Listen though, that's a load of grave with me, nigga,
I'm nigga, would call.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Me bias or whatever. No, listen, that man, nothing nothing.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I just up there. That's wias too. That's so now
they're gonna tell my man nothing. You know, I'm biased too.
He ain't get here to have twenty thirty year run
like anybody else did. But if I'm biased too, and
he sounds, he will be smoking everything right now. He
was here, everything that he left would still be here
right now.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
So me, as a fan from outside, similar to this guy.
And I'm not just saying because then I'm tired of
this guy. Right here's my business partner. But I'm tired
of business my brother, I hear you listen, Yeah, but
he's very similar right with Big. Every verse he would drop,
whether it's on one twelve, whether it's with y'all, whether
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he's with every He never had a whack verse ever,
don't doubt, and you would hear this shit and every
time he pulled out a new verse, we'd be like,
you know what he's saying. Now, you know kiss got
that impact too. That's why TOPDD did or lie of it.
But like a statement he made, he created that for
him sauce. He is that top five that are alive.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
He is that.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
But outside of being that, he's a top five realist
nigga in the world. Come to my hood, come sit there,
got pictures with my mom. I performed as uncle parties
and shit, you know I performed at his daughter sweet sixteen.
He come to my hood every day and come hang
out with me there on my birthday, my mother birthday,
sister's birthday. Niggas see my little nephew. Give my little
nephew a couple of dollars play basketball Like no, he's
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a That's what makes you that too, outside of rapper,
So about how you carry yourself. You know what I'm saying,
ain't got to be the best ship in the world lyrically,
but you could. That makes you that too. About how
you carry yourself, how you maintain, how you keep you
un segregated.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Your mortals is about everything, you know what I'm saying.
So I was out of that. I appreciate that, man,
It's my god. It was very nice gesture.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Teell me me and his mom's got the same name,
his mom's and mama.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
You know what I'm saying, Like, how coincidental was that? Here? Geminal?
Like my boy? I see y'all be tight for years?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeah, try to I've seen a lot of people turn
their back on them. I didn't not then untirely demise
it be I you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
You know Zoe's three sides of that everage story.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
But if people Yeah, how you talk about me and
Big and y'all getting tight and all that? And how
how can you say big as your man and then
ship on the lead.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
You know what I mean? You talking to the world guy.
No not so I'm in an exam.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
I've kept it one thousand percent with them, seems little Kim,
all of them. I never understood how little Kim had
beef and dudes wasn't standing by her side and all that.
I never understood it because the way I've only seen
little Seats and little Kim is with biggiest smalls. Now,
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if Biggie Spoils is King of New York, he's Frank
White And I used to see it's the same ship.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yo. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I'm not comparing the apples and oranges with the same
thing with Krun Punn to come. And when he was rapping,
nobody want to rap next to him, Nobody want to
smoke with him, Nobody want to cipher with him. Nobody
wanted this, nobody wanted that. And then he died. Nobody
want to mention him. No top five, no top ten,
no nothing. But when he was here, y'all was scared
(33:52):
of death for him. When he was doing lyrics. Now
for your dudes, I I remember pun calling me damn
near crime. They won't let me upstairs to the how
ninety seven used to put people on sighther. Everybody upstairs
was like, no, they doing the cipher. He's calling the
hotline from flex. I don't want to say.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
The rappers up there, they were like, no, do not
let him upstairs. They did not want him to come
up in there. Then in the middle, but he passed.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
He pretty much If it ain't for us, we can't
defend his legacy, You guys, seemed to not mention how
nice he was.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Right, So it's the same thing. When I met you
and I met Little Kim.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
I'm like, yo, I'm out with the King, Like how
could I let somebody Bolley huh or Caesar or anything
like that?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Like I'm not fake. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
I'm not gonna be yo, big this is your man.
Then when when something happened to him, I switch.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Up on you.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
You know what I'm saying, shout out to all his moms.
I felt like we lost moms hip hop, at least
New York.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I see that. Mama, my girl.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
I can't even tell the stories, but you know they
always say a lot. But you know the loved You know,
you know that too much. You know well she loved.
She showed you.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
It was on her grand kissls on her if she
don't rock.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
With your s two days. But that's the luck of
your past, not the day she passed. The day before
she was talking about me to Wayne Burrows and and Homegirl.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
She called me and.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Was like, y'all, Mama Wallace was just asking about you
this and this and that and talk about you a
good guy. I love Mama Wallace. I just felt like
she was the mom of hip hop. And that's how
I felt. That's that, you know what I'm saying. And
so did things the right way.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
She did it the right way, and you know, she
made sure everything was set up like like really like
she took over with big left for hand. She really
took it over and put it in perspective. Man, you
know what I'm saying. His kids is super straight, That's
what and that's what mattered, right, and so we care
you are still able to take care of his family,
maybe after thirty years, the year they were from the grave,
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still make sure his kids straight to even to this
day his mom was left.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
He made sure. That's crazy, what's good and that's and
that's something.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
You say on the generation of well, you know what
I'm saying, that's what we're talking about generational wealth is
I mean, I always felt like, you know, look, I
don't wish you nothing on me, but I always felt like,
still my point is I didn't know, yeah, you know,
(36:39):
this guy has your clever. The point is I always
felt like I would be happy if if self God
for being happened to me and my family was straight.
You know what I'm saying, like that's the big That's
what it is.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
You see these mafia dudes, they're born up in crime
and they no sooner or later somebody's either gonna knock
them off or they going to jail forever. But their
family is straight in the mansion forever. They own the
fucking construction businesses.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
And this they kid.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
You just basically it's like you a warrior with a
shielding and the fucking sword, and you go out there
to make sure them kids are straight forever. Yeah, same
thing with you, same thing with me. That's that's the dream.
Biggie actually did it. That's fucking amazing. Thirty years later
he's still taking kids family, and that's you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Like and but you see that generational type of thing,
and and us peers from our era, like you see
that in you you see.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, that was our era.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
We appreciate stuff like that, like making sure our kids
are straight. We don't want our kids to or niece's
nephews to grow up and go through the ship that
we actually went through.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Like now, I don't want them to go to no tunnel.
I don't I don' want.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
My nephew, do that, go play basketball, Go do that tunnel,
Master Square Garden, you know, go through that tunnel in
the Barclays Like I went through that tunnel before that.
I was a tunnel when we was really outside. But
when you get to you know, to see his kids
do that, they had to grow up like how I
grew up.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
So I go on vacations with them, like we go
on trip. You don't.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
We don't go to the block. Rush, We don't go
to the block. We don't go to the hood. When
I be hanging out with his kids.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
He's no like when Big, you know, in the middle
of all that beef from Big was going there. I
don't want to elaborate on wax shit, but when we like,
I think everybody knew he shouldn't be in LA at
that time, Right, did you feel like that.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I was too young to feel that way. I've seen him.
He was smiling from.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Even No I get it, but no, we know he
was smiling. He went out there young like he was
happy to hang out there.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
He was happy. He was he was happy and didn't overhead.
If you asked me, even it was to be away.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
He was a whole and n't know how to not
tell people that right when people like that, Why y'all
was out there because he wanted to be there. That's
what he wanted to be to this day, I stand
on that, like yo, bo, he ain't want to live.
That's where he enjoyed it. He wanted to jill it.
That's where he wanted to vibe at. I don't know,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Know how to stay up to somebody, but your wife
he wanted.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Why that's where we wanted to be there his own man.
He was comfortable there, and he loft la, so he
wanted to be there. I'm on front line with him. Okay, cool,
we leave them all.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
No, we ain't even tomorrow. We gonna stay here another week. Cool,
we're here all right, just where he wanted to be.
He called the shots. It was his situation. He felt
good about being there, you know what I'm saying. He
felt like that place was a safe place for not
even being safe. He just wanted to be somewhere where
he wanted to be. He didn't give a fuck. Really,
we got there by twenty four years old. D we
(39:45):
older now we all turn in forties, forty fives, in
our fifties.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
He was twenty four. You know what I'm saying. We
were still say he his niggas ain't no no better.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
He died a baby every man fun. They both died
of baby like. They both twenty something.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Like kids. You know what I'm saying. I saw a
fun before he passed.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I did the show, and I was in a showing
somewhere like North Carolina, somewhere he had to he was
in the news the weight and we watched.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
All signed to the same label.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
So I come to my room, and you got some
people in your room before I got about ship, I
got deep rock, little got a bunch of aggressive ass
niggas that they were coming there. It's fun sitting and
see suck.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, what's up? So bro? He love it, y'all. He
loved it. Yeah, hell yeah man, fun for sure. Dud heyeh.
He had crazy loved big.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
I think that's one of the people he never got
to rock with.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
That he really really I would have loved the rock
with and and you know, imagine a big and fun
so imagine that big her, bigger herd. Firewater. He heard firewater.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
He said, Yo, your man, this spit with you was
dead nice, this this and that he heard that. Sh
know what I'm saying, Like, you know, that's the ship
I'd be having to live with, like ship like that,
like damn man.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
If dog was here, oh yes, like yeah, ship would
have loved him.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
She was here to smoke something. The ship I'm smoking.
He's smoking some good ship. Yeah, he didn't get a chance.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
He missed it. He didn't get to smoke the pure
he was smoking, was smoking that ship. They can't call chronic.
Now he caught, he caught, he caught. He ain't catch
the way they catch this right now, right if he
was his name and they catch it that ship, he
ain't catch that, yo, yo, Yo, cahn't wait? Did he
go see him and get him going full up? Yo?
When we got we got something, bring some bring something
(41:41):
to the bron up there when the ant wi and
not go see right to him. He ain't come with
that boppy budle. You know Howody brought it up there
for or he wanted? Yeah, yeah, I'm sure he hear something.
Now you think, do you believe?
Speaker 4 (41:52):
Let me ask you a questions which might be crazy,
but it's real, right, you believe when you die, you
go to heaven and they wait even for you and
and Big Year be there waiting for you.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
I don't think of that way. I think it's a
life after.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
I do think that now I need you got to
play and when he uses so you know I can't.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I don't know which one does probablieve the children on
a few let me ask you questions. No one, that's
why you got a yo.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
They don't want that man everyone. But let me tell you,
so you don't believe when you pass away you go
see your people.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
I donn't believe it happens like the way you think,
like TV, it's a gate in it.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I don't, David say.
Speaker 6 (42:48):
I don't think it's like the Park video. I think
to pull up here right there, you shoots on Joe,
Joe praise Joe crat.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
That is like that.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
And I want to see my Nigga Raoul. I want
to see my mother and father. I want to see Biggie.
I want to see everybody.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
So if I believe in heaven and I believe in God,
I believe that we're gonna see him. And so they
they call me crazy capped Joe, whatever the fuck you want,
But I believe.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
I think I'm fraid so much.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
It is like that that my nigga told Montana my
best friend ever in history.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
I wish I could have that conversation. You did it, nigga.
We was watching you.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
They was coming up here saying, I want that. You
know what I'm saying my brother that I know. I'm
just saying my brother Tom Montana got killed before I
even put.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Out a single, but he knew I was rapping. He
was proud of me.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
And so imagine if I could go to heaven and
he's just waiting for me, like, oh you you did
this and this and this and that. What was one
of the illest ship that happened to you? That blew
your mind that you couldn't believe that. Y'all met Shaka Khan,
(44:12):
y'all met some some Oh y'all was rocking with fucking
Michael Jesson.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Was you there for that? I was there. I wasn't
in the session or he would you see him? Michael? Yes? Nah,
you see Mike Man. That's the one time he violated me.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Bro big old ah, Michael be I Well he went
to do the song with Mike right, he was like, yo, listen,
Bro just rolled me up.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
A few.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
I rolled him on. Some blunts want to go do
this first with Mike. So I'm thinking I'm still like
coming there with him, right. He's like, Yo, nah, bro,
stay here. I don't trust him with the kids. He
was joking. Yeah. Then so I sat in the whip
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with the verse for Michael came back hour later.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Verse done.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Check that's out. Yeah, I ain't. I left you on
the G fourteen G fourteen. That's you're five classified. What's
what's the G fourteen? What's the G fourteen? He left
him and he left him in the whip. The man
(45:30):
told him, Yo, jasi fi. He's just said fall back.
I'm going to rock with Michael with st you say
for that's just a fallback. I wouldn't go.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Fourteen fifteen. It's been, it's been. I want to.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
I want to meet Michael Jackson his meetings. It's people me,
I says. Look, one of my most trusted people on
the planet Earth. His pistol pe. You see him over there.
There's people that just to be having met people I'm
tight with, they will call me their brother, their family.
They this, they that the pristoph p.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
They meant.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
There's people are going there by myself, go talk to
them and have a conversation with him and then come back.
In certain places, you just can't bring nobody, so you
go up in there and you just fortunately.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Listen to though I get that Leo. No, this was
like Leo. He's my brother. I love him to death.
I take him anywhere. I died with him.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
And it's certain places I gotta be like yo, gossh,
I see y'all little later.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
I gotta walk over here. It just I was on Punk.
They did that to you on Punk. Yeah, they told me,
don't bring nobody. That's why he was in the whip
by yourself. Now that makes sense. And you with too,
though I ain't even see that ship. But let me
tell you. So they try to punk me.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
They never could punk me because my guys wouldn't sell
me out, but they wanted to do. They went to
Joe Bentley because he used to reven the Bentley's and
all that, and they told him they want to put
a dead, fake dead body.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
In the trunk.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Pull me over and act like I got a dead
body in the trunk, off pump bro. That was the
narrative for Fat Joe. Open the trunk and it's a
dead body in there. And Joe Bailey wouldn't sell me out.
He was like, Yo, I s can't do that.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
I'm not huh, well, it's not a heart attack. I
would have did what I do now, Yo, I don't
know nothing. I got a lawyer, swear to God. What
would have happened on that camera? Was like, Yo, I
don't know nothing about that. Yo. I got a lawyer,
say J Cunseler, like, that's it. That's what I would
have did. That's all.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
They would have caught on video. But they wouldn't sell
me out. They tried Raoul, they tried Joe Bentley, they
tried like three people, and everybody.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Like, yo, you crazy man.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
I ain't setting Joe up with that ship like Joe
ain't doing he ain't gonna go for it. They told him, Yo,
you ain't punking them. He ain't he not gonna go
for it. You're wasting your time and it's shue. I
swear to God. If they did it now, somebody put
it their body in my truck, I'll be like, Yo,
I got a.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Lawyer, man, ship, I ain't saying that. I ain't gonna
hear anybody about yo. He make it that sound really?
My mother, Yo, my mother taught me.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
Let me tell you something my mother taught me when
we didn't have a fucking dollar, we didn't.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Even have a dollar. How about we never had a lawyer.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
My moms would tell me in the project, sure they
grab you. I told my daughter my Sonday, one million
times they ever grab you anything on earth. Just telling
me he's not a lawyer. You have to tell him
he's got a lawyer. That eliminates everything else. So it's
nothing really to talk about. It's like, Yo, what you
want me to do?
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yo? This is terrible. But you think I'm gonna try
to convince it. I don't know. There's nothing you could
do with call a lawyers.
Speaker 4 (48:57):
I can't convince you I didn't put that body in
this trunk of what I'm fucked or.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Not call the lawyers. Call the lawyer. That's what that was.
It They tried to pump me. They shot. They definitely
trying to pump me. So that Michael. You wasn't there
for Michael Jackson. But what was you there for? That?
That you coming from Brooklyn? Young kid? Michael? And he
was like, yo, were really doing this? Like this is crazy?
(49:22):
What is it.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
I mean I would say that like our first session,
like you know, when we first got on, I know it.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Was a studio. Yeah, like just that was a big moment.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
I mean, you know, not thinking, you know, you think
you're just gonna all right, be as your boy.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
That's family, that's a big brother. He on.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
He came out in ninety four, We was out ninety five.
That's how fast we was in the studio. That's absolutely
the year. That's absolutely impossible to do too, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
That was like becoming a legend and then you putting
somebody else on and working for him and putting their
music out of gear.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
That's like it's beyond unheard of.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Came out nineteen ninety four, We came out in August
nineteen ninety five, like delivery a year later and not
just you know Kim be as a director like nah,
he that that was his that's what he was doing.
That's twenty four years old, twenty two you create the
process before he died.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
Yeah, the clothing line already what was man, that ship
was fly too hey, you know so here so we
were just really just know I just said that I
post about he is just knowing him and seeing I
think he would have been a huge entrepreneur, like the
jay z is you know he was. He was just
(50:40):
big poper diners, Yeah, proper restaurant these is already he
was already dealing with people like what everybody to tell you?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
He was gonna deal with you. That just the Commission album.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
He was already creating things in his head, like all right,
House Side of Mafia, got a commission thing I want
to do.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
He told me about jay Z. I had it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
He was like, yo, Joe, I said, yo, big come
to my birthday party. I think I had fucking China
Club or something. He was like, Yo, I might slide
by with this. Dude is crazy nice. His name is
jay Z.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
It's my man.
Speaker 4 (51:13):
I was like, worry. He was like, Yo, I'm gonna
come by with jay Z. He didn't come, but he
definitely told me about jay Z like he was like, Yo,
that was my man, jay Z. He dead nice. He
was talking like that, he's dead nice. He's gonna blow
this stack. But they never came. But that was the time, man,
that whole time.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
We was a fan of the music, you know, all
of us at that time. It was just like we
was really doing some shit to change our lives. Like
you know what I mean, Like we so we really
enjoyed being around each other, fucking with each other. It
was dope to go to the Bronx. It was dope
to go to Theonkas and hang out. And you know,
the big guy give me money, power, respect. We always
loved Big popa video like there he built something from that,
(51:53):
Like just from that point on, it's like when Big die.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
It made us all like it's like people before home.
We're gonna gonna keep it tight. You know.
Speaker 4 (52:02):
That's how I feel, right, And that's why whenever you
see me jumping out, whether it's a big birthday, big anniversary,
bring everything, I gotta jump out. You sure I gotta
jump anything because I gotta let them know. Y'all win forgetting.
B I g like, not while I'm alive, not while
I'm here. We're not forgetting you know, the man who
(52:26):
inspired us to become who we are, you know what
I'm saying, Like I still to this day and I
and I shout it out. The other day was with
Ray and we half like like Heavy D. Like Heavy
D gave me the confidence as a thirty yearning when
he earned in my heart he gets confidence.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
No every d no b I G. I'm telling you, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Heavy d was the fly Toe is day right, because
he don't get that.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
He don't he don't get that. To this day, I
throw that ship on. I'm telling it.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
To this day, I might have some fly yellow freak
owen leather shit on. And then I look in the
instagram and I see it be like, Yo, nineteen ninety
one nigga have had the same shit.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Over thirty years ago. I'm like, yo, I still ain't
catch him. Like I can't beat heavy Bee's fly. He
was just so.
Speaker 4 (53:23):
Fucking fly as a big mass saint thing with b
ib I was like super fly.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Oh that was his homework. Though he got that from
him too, though, Like that's where no heavy ding. I'm saying,
we know that like that, you know one of the
things you know, I would say we got you from too.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
My wife is far from a groupie, but one of
the things she thanks me for is for introducing her
the big and she danks me, yo, man, thank you
for letting me meet Biggie Sufficial. And you know that's like,
you know, Biggie, you know we gotta talk Biggie. We
always got to talk Tupac. These two guys, right or
(54:01):
like they're gonna live forever A thousand years.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
From now, they're gonna live longer than us. Yeah, they're
martyrd hip hop for this whole thing. Let me tell
you something, And a lot of people don't get it.
Fucked up.
Speaker 4 (54:15):
Everybody has something to do with hip hop. We can
go cool her Rambastard, flash man by everything, but five
hundred years from now, hip hop is long gone. But
they analyze it like we're looking at the fucking Pyramids
and all this. Five hundred years and hip hop culture
comes up, they're gonna talk about Biggie and Tupac, no doubt,
(54:40):
there's nowhere around it. They're gonna be doing fucking seminars
and fucking college like right now. They definitely got Biggie
classes Tupac classes like those are the two faces of
hip hop music.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
After that, then you go.
Speaker 4 (54:55):
Down, break down whoever else you everybody play, they part
hip hop. I don't want nobody watching this from the
atf off the West Coast. Skylar Rocket is like one
of the first like rapper around, but he's not.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
Going to be talking about it five.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
Years killed like street Wise, No scholar Rock broke my
heart throwing bead that ain't left that week.
Speaker 4 (55:14):
But see if people don't know about Oh, I'm fucking
bead p Moodiquas don't play by.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
I bet I'm beat ep you talk about b ig
One time.
Speaker 4 (55:27):
I was struggling after flow Jo because you think you
good as your last hit, flow Jo can be number one.
You hustling getting checks when that ship slowed down two
years later, I never forget my idel care risk one.
He came to my apartment in the drost said, Joe,
how you doing.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
I was fucked up?
Speaker 4 (55:45):
You know what I'm saying, because once I left the
drug game, it was all about rap. So I had
to make my money rap. So he came to see
me and he took me City Island. He sat down there,
Chris and the city l Rest and he said, he said, Yo,
what's up?
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Fucked up? Ya? I'm fucked up? He said, you come
with me, hype it up, you do flow Jo, and
I'm gonna throw you a little twenty twenty five hundred.
It was like ten thousand back to the base. So
he took me for a couple of months. To hype
him up.
Speaker 4 (56:13):
I was just hype man and I get to do
flow Joe, and you know what else was there with
a wake up at.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
What they got this tuck if I heard when it
is Channel.
Speaker 4 (56:22):
Live like well I do was fluk man and Yoda,
he's whatever that twenty five hundrey can't through saved my
life twenty five hundred. My rent was five hundred. I
got the one one one bedroom. Went back like yeah,
I got the one on one.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
My rent was five hundred, twenty five hundred.
Speaker 4 (56:42):
I'm like, yo, we say he would come and be like, Yo,
what's up. We're gonna go to Philly, Yo, hype me
up this, We're going to Atlantic City.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
We're gonna boss it. Hype me up. And so he
fed me, you know during that time.
Speaker 4 (56:54):
But you know there was you know, we know we
had hard times and hit by something is great.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
Sometimes it's slow up.
Speaker 4 (57:03):
That's why you say all the time, Yo, we just
gotta keep we gotta keep working. We just can't start
even if we don't need it. We gotta keep going
and going and going and going. I'm going to Mongolia
next week, mon, I gotta get the bag. Well, Mongolia,
(57:23):
I gotta fly to China into Mongolia. You know I
real that. It tried my best. I said, no, I
ain't doing that now, Mongolia. I love you, thank you
for the opportunity. I was like, nah, no way, I'm
going this and this and that.
Speaker 7 (57:38):
You don't used to fly you fly there? Yeah, but
I don't fight. I don't want to do it in
Miami Flow. I don't want to listen. That's I don't
no more than that.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
My way is like number nine to k R China,
then another.
Speaker 4 (57:58):
Two to all Mongol. But what I'm trying to tell
you is that rich place. Oh, I guess you are
getting on that fucking flight. I said, you're wish. He
was like, Nick, we get in that bag. Bro, you
know what I'm saying. So you know you.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Gotta do that. I don't really need it. I really
don't really have to go. Brother. I'm being honest with you.
But you gotta do it before you need it. You
gotta work when you don't need when you need it,
You're all right, we got it. It's the only way
to do it.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
It's a choice at that point once you already don't
put it in already you're like, all right, of course,
I ain't like I have to sound it just that,
And I was like saying, whoa, I like saying that.
But once you put work, you put your work of head.
You don't have to you can do lessons whatever by that, No.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
No, I could do it. I don't really have to go.
I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm gonna get the
bag because I gotta go get that.
Speaker 3 (58:53):
You know, there's no justification when it's going his bad
getting time.
Speaker 2 (58:58):
I don't care when my goal is That's what I said.
Speaker 4 (59:02):
People used to tell me that one time, Fat Joe
toward the whole Africa dovvy do if you want to
throw your hat of some dovvy do. So I went
to Africa so much and Doavy Doe. When I met
him at an All Star game. You was there too
at that All Star game. He was like, Yo, you
was in my village ten times when I was a kid,
(59:22):
I watched you in my village in Africa.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
You know what I'm saying. So I would go.
Speaker 4 (59:27):
To Africa to tour another artist and be like, yo,
you're going to Africa, and I'd be like, yo, my
man got killed over one dollar in the dice game.
In the Bronx. He asked better, They stabbed him in
his heart and he died. How much more dangerous couldn't
be a fucking Africa where in my projects? I know
(59:49):
guys that died for one dollar. Well, I gotta go
geta We gonna see it, my goalie and beef falls out.
Speaker 2 (59:56):
There is the good shit. You know what I'm saying.
I'm going after. We gonna see man. Be I wasn't
get on to plan no more than thirteen outs. I see.
I had a limit. He had a limit. We ain't go.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
We had We had boogets in Japan and Alaska. He's
not getting He was like, I'm not doing that smart
anything twelve hours old. He ain't fucking with it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
So I got to break it up.
Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
I go to Dubai for a little twelve thirteen hours,
stay one day, and then fly to China number eight nine.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
And then that.
Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Didn't take the two your rids, Man, go fuck yourself
on your birthday.
Speaker 8 (01:00:37):
Man, get the fuck out of here. I'm going to
fuck it the fucking fucked out of here. Fa yo,
oh man, this ain't that.
Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
I mean this cracking kiss baskets, no doubt, man, shout
out to the fun Blue.
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Shout out to our guess. My brother sees it, Leo.
I appreciate y'all for having me made. He's around.
Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
He's gonna be loving in and out, you know what
I mean. Got two of my big brothers, and he's
like the cousin to the show, no doubt. Yeah, he's
supposed to be like brother man just pops up. Well,
I'm then for the fifth floor. Yeah, but that's what
the fuck happened?
Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
You right over here chilling, I saying, Oh no, we
gotta get seized this motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Yeo man.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Shout out to B I G. Shout out with me.
I got an album coming out. Part of the City,
a documentary call from a young G's perspective. Wow, you
know what I'm saying. And Uh, I'm gonna keep it going.
I'm gonna keep on representing for B I G. You know,
coach with ship here no flat out to the home
rotten shout to d Rock, shout the rule, Shout out
(01:01:43):
to see gother R. Peter Cheep, del Vet R. Peter,
mister Bristown. You know what I'm saying. Mr C fifty
Grand Uh, shout out banging Blake, banging Blake. That's my fear,
you know. Brown shout to the whole team. Man got
we gotta say Kim off word out, Ok Bronson, ask
you if I love you Kim.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Anybody's everybody's that.
Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Man Lands, You know what I'm saying. God damn, who
else is running the pullup bars over there?
Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Over here?
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
You calling out the whole pull up bars? One calling
out a whole eleven
He ain't get here to have twenty thirty year run
like anybody else did. But if you buys too and
he niggas, he will be smoking everything.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yo, Yo, what up? This is Fat Joe the Gangster Boy,
Jada kiss you know what it is? Did Joe and
Jada show fly.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
From the Fountain, Blue Fround, blow with up ladies and gentlemen.
Make some noise for my brother from another mother the
same name Facts Season Lee a little.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Seed, y'all, Thank y'all, Thank y'all, man, Thank y'all for
having one of the best shows in America right now.
You know what I'm saying, So salute to y'all. Many y'all,
y'all sees you a legend. Man, you ain't living you know,
on that couch right there. Hear that from you. That's
love for me. No, that's a fact though. And we
(01:06):
go we go so back.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
If y'all don't know, we were just shooting a podcast.
The Seas came to hang out with us and we
forced the couch. I said, fuck guy, let's get seasoned
in these two legendary We got to get him up here.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
But we was just listening to.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
New marb D right, and Prodigy sounds so good on it.
I literally, I literally, I don't work hard enough to
do this, but I literally thought of making the album
in case if I died, No doubt it.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Just say, you know, ten.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Years after I died, putting my will New Fat Joe
album and they could do whoever want to do the
beats to the ship, this, this, that, and imagine a
fresh after you die ten years later, New Fat Joe
talking shit on there?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
You know that shit that. I mean. Look, we've listening
to New mar D. They got it. I'm coming out
with Prodigy, got man new verses and it sounds great too.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It sounds good too, like you know, it don't sound
like nothing changed. It don't sound like that sweat. But
I mean songs you got like that. I'm sure you
got verses you got for them to release, Your family
gonna get the money.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well you dying.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
That's how I look at it, you know what I mean?
Like I wish b I did more of that, you
know what I'm saying. But B I was too much young,
writing songs for other ships. He was writing Junior Mafia songs,
him songs, was writing puff songs. He was you know,
so he did a lot of albums at one expand
you know like that like you so you wish.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
You have no crazy To me, I've been hearing a
lot of like Foxy Brown is the best.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Foxy Brown's first feature was I Shot You with lu
Me Keith Berriet. I remember Baa keeping them. I already
knew this girl was crazy dumb. But rumor has it
all of her verses, either Jay Row or Nosro.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So this is like, is it true or not? I mean,
I'm not let me say it.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Like this right his own botto man, when even what
it was, he goes every time every time I hear
Foxy Brown, of course that's the cadence and everything. I'm
not saying nothing wrong with it. I'm just saying that
when you'll bring these up when when there right already
(03:38):
I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Go with that. I want to hear because I did
we get here. No, I'm not doing that. I'm not
really not doing I'm just a guess. I don't think this.
I don't think I'm saying nothing wrong, nothing right here.
(04:00):
I think he shs left that lost, so let's leave
it alone.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
She said, your big role for junior Manfia Big wrote
for little Kim, and you.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Just went all the way to park Slope. That's not
I'm never picking on Foxy. I'm not I'm not doing that.
So also Foxy says she wrote her own ship. She's saying,
we don't know what she said. I don't know that you.
I don't know. No, I'm not trying to start. Listen,
(04:33):
let me just say for me, stay out said something.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
You say, you got some right there remains son Okay
on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Kids and will be held in g So I fucked
you saying because I said you got that right? Yes,
if you can't you that Joe.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Now, I'm where's my flying Casey?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Didn't you just put it? You just do? You just
do the alley? You know, I didn't think.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I don't think there's nothing wrong with If you know
you think what I'm saying is blasphemy. I think what
I'm saying ain't nothing wrong. I don't know if it's
true or not. That's what I always heard. Somebody said first.
Somebody wrote on the two people wrote all of your
(05:30):
verses you be ready to fucking kill. That ain't regular people,
it's Jay z or Nottill. Okay, sorry for around you
right your own. I didn't know that for years. I'm
in the eris.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I ain't gonna knowing.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Up.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Okay, I'm gonna keep it right.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Here in the study we there though, as an artist,
for me, I have songs written that BIGI wrote for me.
That's the big past. I started to write my own round,
That's what I'm saying. So sometimes a history like that
can change. You can start out as somebody kind of
introducing you or bringing you into something, and once you
figure it out, you could kind of take your you know,
(06:09):
your own anth like. But that's how I was brought
up into it. I was a I was a situation.
I was an opportunity, a business deal. No big say hey,
they said, you rock it with me, a little bro.
You know what, I'm gonna do something even better for you.
I'm gonna I'm gonna make sure you get right, and
I'm gonna write. I'm gonna write you some songs now
instead of you hype me in it for me now
now here you go and then from there. I expected
(06:30):
him to pass at that time and for things to happen.
But I had to, you know, let me figure it
out from here now.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And i'd be very generous, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Super she shine that light on say even the word
he no fucking songs they got, you know, said like no, man,
my I used to love it, like the law sens
familia let me feel uh the ultimate rush trucks baby,
but she got not to say nothing outside of that.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Him came in as a writer before all that. But
you know, when you got a team of people, everybody
just kind of worked together. That's how I came up
into it, you know, going up around that bad boy error.
You know, it's writers, you got called, you got Faith,
you got all these different people in there, lots maces
people in there. It's just energy going around.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I've just seeing you super tight with Faith for the
last couple of years. You was always tight with her
like that. It just wasn't no Instagram, right yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know I see it on Instagram. Ain't nothing changed.
It's been like that shout out to fake like that.
That's that's that's because they's just for real, like in
real life. Like yeah, you know, I can't call her
underrated because she's a superstarted, superstar, but how vocals are
(07:43):
still underrated no doubt. Like I went to a Comporter's
funeral and Faith sung in there, and I was just
she's am kwan wedding and we were just all there.
You never see there our songs in the funeral. She
just was singing like the gospel or whatever. And I
(08:05):
was just like, oh my god. I always knew she
was incredible, But that day, I mean, you know, I
was brought to a different emotion. Boh, so we got
little cs. Little C's crippled me? Why would why would
Biggie say.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
That he crimpled? You know, what's the problem with this guy?
He don't real lives.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
We're telling the story to millions of people out there
because he know the story.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
He think everybody know the story. I don't know the story.
You do know all of ship that. I do know
the story. But I want you to tell people why.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
No ship ship? I don't know why? Why big he
said that that yeah, and the ones we crashed. You
was driving he was trippled seas was you high?
Speaker 5 (08:55):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
It was a jug that ice. We had a fucked
up car. N that wasn't a link.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
We the lex Land had got fucked up the day
before that. We got arrested the day before that.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Somebody don't know, you hit somebody with a bat, right
they y'all hit somebody. Big, big guy locked up for
hitting somebody with a bat. I wasn't that incident.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
But we was in the back of Brooklyn meet him
and money l you know what I'm saying, and uh,
we were smoking and just so happened. Police just happened
to pull up around there and we put the weed
out soon as they like full up, you know what
I'm saying. So they they locked you up for we yeah,
just a blunt this is, but we're talking about like
a long.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Time ago type of shot down. When they locked you
up blunt.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
They took us to the precinct really just put us
in there, took our name down whatever, and we came
back outside the Lexus land wasn't working. Son came and
picked us up, took us to the crib and then
we went to get a loaner's car from the Lexus
deller please, and they gave us the Lumina van and and.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Aluminivat rode to be on the line too. This is.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
They gave us a lumin event and I was like,
you be on this ain't no Lexus car. And we
had a he like your chill. We just call a
low ride. Were chilling and uh, I just made one
turn because the brakes was all fucked up. That ship
was already like rubbing on the roaders and ship we
had a it was the car they run around.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
They give you the bullshit car.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, and he wanted to ride in that. And we
rolled and I hit a little spin and don't and
we went across the ship and we crashed, Yeah, across
the ship. On the other side. That north and south
did divide us. So north very day north, and that
(10:44):
ship the car went south. We were on the other side.
Man right into a rail and that was it, he said, strongly.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Rip to lose yo. Listen. You know.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
One thing I learned from Big right was people always
like to say that if you become successful, you changed.
Now we know now enough that we're old enough to
know that you gotta have growth. You can't be thinking
like you thought twenty years ago, thirty years ago. That's
natural growth. But I'm not talking about growth. I'm talking
(11:21):
about if you blow off or some of your guys
in your hood are looking at you like you changed
with They don't know if you change right, you just
working whatever. And I got this famous story. I think
you was there and my second album had came out,
and I ain't Ceebi in the wild because because to
(11:44):
this day, the closest thing I could call to like
Biggie is maybe Cardi B. Meaning her success of how
she just went fast, like wow, five year it was
number one, two and three.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
It's like out, that's a fact.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Now I'm with him with an army fatigue, and he
was like, Yo, you coming show tonight.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I went to the show.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
He had fucking gators on and salmon suits with like
this ship. Was like I'm sitting there in the passenger
seat watching this ship. I'm like, Yo, this is fucking nuts.
Nigga just shot up one, two and three. I never
seem Yeah, but I never seen that again. I never
(12:26):
seen it. And then to maybe Cardi B. How she
was just on love and hip hop. Next thing, you know,
she's out of the world at the squirrel right vol
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
That's what Biggie did to me. I mean you not
with Biggie.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
He got a fucking army fatigue. He said, come and
show tonight, give me the tickets.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I come and show.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Niggas got a fur coat over salmon ship with gators.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It was like, Yo, what who the fuck is this?
How fast it changed? Though? Like for real? Am I
not lying? It's like I'm like, yo, what the fuck?
Like his kids, I'm.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Happy because young is doing that ship like really, like
you know, like I was wearing this shit at fifteen,
doing that type of ship, and like, really, how could
niggas can't say nothing to me which you're doing or
everybody I done did it already.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
When I was fourteen. That's crazy like that.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
That's why I could sit back right now and just
like man, I was selling my balcony in Miami, sitting
my crib and just chilling SAMs.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
You know what I'm saying, and chilling kat is at fourteen. Man,
you have no gators when you were fourteen. I'm the
first time. Hold on, hold on, hold he right, He's right,
because you know I like the brag.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Nope, the method I was at fourteen, unless that was
at Riverse, I had the med I just wanted to
hear you say it. Nah, I did have dapping down
at fourteen. You can act stamping. Damn, we should bring
him on the show. But what I am going to
say to you. Is the first time I did get dated.
(14:01):
I had five thousand dollars in my bank account. It
was steeped. On the of his wedding. I go to
God five thousand and one and I said, Yo, I
need that biggie shit. Man, I need that movie. He
was like, you want that shit? I said yeah, he
said what I said, Scott Blue. He said, I'm gonna
make you the hat. I'm ana diet like the suit.
I'm gonna get you to get this. That nigga might
(14:21):
to four thousand and nine, one hundred and fifty dollars
for me.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I never paid that much for anything.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I went broke behind the sky blue suit and the Gators.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I could not I could not even believe it.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
You know what happened that night? You They had a
fucking wyot. They had a fight and I got blood
all over this. I couldn't never wore the suit again.
It was like forty nine, one hundred and five hundred.
The guy told me that joke dollar to day he
called me up started life. Remember you wanted that biggie shit, right.
I was like, yo, God, you took my last nigga
for the shop, Like, are you that.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Serious with the price. That's why I made me lose
wait a little. He was smoking nigga.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
So you had to go to the department store. I
spent millions week. I spent fucking millions with God. I
spent guy. Yeah, y'all spent millions with got yeah be
out did yeah millions. I was still yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I was still kar Kani Champion, cold heads, the hours
of one light nigga, this coolie his last So.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I used to think they was mad older than us.
They was driving.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I used to go to d like they driving.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Give me a lice, give me a call with a license.
He's talking to the mad little niggas over there, and
there were supposed to be driving. But niggas was rich, Bro,
they were still small driving.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Man. I'm looking at that niggas my side. We come
to the studio every day. I see him every day.
You coming down yourself. He just signed I'm coming there
with b I.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I want to drive you coming in there with B
I and John Branson.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
He's to a Lexus Land Bro. I was there. I
was there this week.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I stand up in cars back then, I should stand
up in the WHEB and the m p V.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I can stand up in it. Yeah, you could stand up,
stand up in one. I didn't realize he was that young, Like, yeah,
that's all I know.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
He was young, But I ain't making him a.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Guy. They committed a crime. You know what he did.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
He blew his wolfers off as a little kid. You
see what I'm saying. You thought he was a small
grown man.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
He was a little kid. He was drinking his weed
all yeah, in school. Yeah, let me tell you something.
I'm outside you.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I'm not talking no bullshit, but damn, I was about
to tell your story. But it's fun. I like I
is moving. It was a little guy, a little guy. Listen,
there's a little.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Guy, not the long guys. That was really guy. That
know what me?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I saw that as that is the fact they would
have called me cat for everything. Let me tell you,
get me mad. It's a little bigger. It's like the
big t s. I proved it, my nigga, fe no,
I prove you love you?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Did you did? I know what?
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I know why happened when America's most wanted the guy
called you up? When I thought the guy on America's
most wanted that what happened cool?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
The cool? What it really happened?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
And he appreciated you for not saying his name because
there's no statue of limit.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Some I'm showing to imagine being a rapper, you gotta
go fight a guy on America smokes wanted one on
one and he's cocked DS.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Can you pull up?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
You know how much courage that takes for a fucking rapper.
Imagine that guy would have wh this shit out of me.
They would have been talking about me to this day. Yo,
Remember what Joe got washed? Dragged out there? This, this, that.
But the moral to the story is when the BMF,
When BMF like BMF. I'm in Miami, okay and lean
(18:40):
backs number one. We're disgusted with the paper. Every club
you go to, you see twenty guys, thirty guys with
TS chains all over, Cadillac trucks all over this beast.
This ship was out of control, right, So if you
came to Miami, you knew you knew that.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
When you came to Miami, you look up any given day,
they in there deep, right. So every night I'm going
to the club, I see this little kid, he's twelve
years old.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I'm gonna say his name now, is with some mother
wild shit going on there's got nothing to.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Do with what we're talking about. But the kid pee
wee that allegedly, you know they talking about with the
little Wayne Bus or whatever.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
I knew him twelve years old. I would come to
the club. He'd be with BMF every day with two
million dollars in diamonds.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Little baby like little C's might have had him.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
He ain't no rapper. So every day I come in like, yo, crack,
you give me in the club. Give me, I say, yo, bro,
I can't get you. If fucking big meats and the
niggas can't get you in the.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Club, I think I ain't even blowing out the bottles
they buying every Yo, bro, I can't get you in.
But he was a cool little kid. He would come
all the time.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
But one day I looked at him right and I said,
one day because I took him for granted, And one
day I'll never forget. I was over there in that
club where where we said Cali used to d and
yesterday he was crossed the shoe I pull up in
the phantom, he said, Yo, he cracked And then for
some reason, my eyes. You know how you go to
the eye doctor and your shit fuzz out and go clear.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And my shit funched out and went clear.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
And I looked at them fucking diamonds on his neck
and he's in the stay in the party.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
He's in the middle of the street by himself.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I'm like, Yo, this kid is like twelve years old
and like two million diamonds on. I was like, Yo, No,
he ain't scared. Nobody's looking at him, nobody's this that's
a true story. That might be the youngest guy ever
seen with some shit on like that. He was everywhere
he was with them. What the fuck was he doing
(20:44):
with them? He was twelve years old. Everywhere they went.
He used to be with a and he used to
be with Floyd too. Oh I didn't know that, so
he'd been outside, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
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Speaker 4 (23:42):
I'm gonna tell you what happened, right So, I'm in
the studio with Biggie while he's making hippototes, and the
beat keep going boom.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Right though.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
One o'clock, twenty Spanish girls come o'clock, they leave, twenty
Chinese girls, three o'clock, twenty Jamaican girls come, four o'clock.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Knocked it out. Yo, I did not know this shit.
I'm listen thinking was a superstar before me. I didn't
know this shit exists.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
I'm sitting up in there and I'm like, Yo, what
the this is what it's like when you number one,
two and three.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I'm fat Joe with the fucking army fatig stick.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
I'm sitting there, I'm like, Yo, this is.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yo.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Ses I did not believe it. That's that's I could.
I would just and they just kept coming, like yo,
this Faith calls up right, puts in it.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Is not it's a cool story. She calls up.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
He he puts on the speaker right, so he's laughing.
You know, he's a committed you fat motherfucker. You this
this that I know you in there, you with the
ugly bitches, this and this and this is when I knew.
Biggy said, hold up, why they gotta be ugly bitches?
They could be models.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yo.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I wanted one night and I couldn't take it, yo,
yo yo sees, I couldn't take you season. I'm like, yo,
you know, I thought he was like a superhero to
me when I was with him, and shit, i've seen
his successful. What I'm saying would never changing, right, So
I he just exploded. So imagine you hanging out with
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a dude and the next thing you know, he's the
biggest superstar on the planet Earth.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I don't see him for a couple of months. I
put out my second album.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
I'm going to some shit maybe Billboard magazine or something
like that, all the vibe, and I just see a
bunch of people around the truck. And as I get closer,
I see b I G, I see U, I see
Little Kim, and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Oh shit, that's big. And you know what Fat Joe did.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Fat Joe, I'm embarrassed to tell you about for that
split second my mind, you cronable.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I'm telling you the truth.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
And that in my mind he became up to superstar.
Said all that Nigga must have changed. And right when
I get to turn away, you know how people say
people change, he.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Was like, yo, crack, Joe crack. So I look at
him as big so I walk over there.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
He starts telling Little Kim and sees, Yo, we've been
bumping this album right, you like it? He said, Yo,
you stepped your shit up. And I was like, that
taught me. That was such a life lesson. That taught me, like,
don't assume people change. They could still be the same people.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
No matter what success it is.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
It'd be your perspective of people that without judging. He
you know, you know rights, he one thing about my nigga,
Like outside of all the street ship, he was a
fan of the music.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Right, So if you really was dope, that's all he
cared about. You.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Don't give a fuck what you did outside. He ain't
gotta be that real nigga. That nigga nothing you can rack.
He fucks with you.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
That's it. Let me ask you some social from this
underground rapper.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
We see videos of him rhyming in the Brooklyn with
the mic recipes.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Mister c Ship he's doing Clark Kent Clark forty Gold Bros.
The Old Gold Brothers o G Bros. G Yeah, Big
First DJ was fifty grand. He had a crew called
the O G B The Old Gold Brothers. So he
just passed away like three years ago him, mister C
(27:43):
and DJ clark Kin, so.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
He was So what I'm trying to understand is, so
he's this underground battle rapper. Because when I met Biggie Biggie,
I was in the lyricist lounds giving out the flow
Joe Vinyl to the DJ, and he went up there
and back to ten. They're gonna say, yo, Joe, I'm
saying ten, so it don't sound cap.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
He taught the ball down. He had a backpack on it.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Puff was on stage doing the Puff dance and hyped
up this this this, I'm looking at the cross said,
oh this vibe, He's gonna be pig.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Right, So we became cool.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
What I'm saying is when he started making these records
like Wrapping to Juice, he and all that was that
a Puff bringing the R and B to it? Or
was it Big saying I want to do these kind
of records.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
He didn't want to do that. You know that that
was all Puff? Thank God? I mean, what's out question?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Nobody he listened to her, So originally he didn't want
Because I believe that changed, well I don't believe, I
know that changed the whole hip hop game.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Like to this day, Fat Joe's catch one of them
What's love or this?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Everybody you and she was a model four year that's
all that formula, right. We flipped those ship and we
had singing the hooks. We're R and B singers and
all that. You know what I'm saying. That was a
big thing. So it was like Puff broke those beats
to the table.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
That was straight his.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
He probably got to be because he knew he had
somebody that was like the dopest right in the world.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Though that's my I'm favorite rapper, right, So.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Imagine you in the position the power of you could
sit behind the desk and you got the top from Jordan,
player of this league, and you could tell him to
do anything, play point guard, play shooting guard, play forward,
play center.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, big did everything. Cadence Kaden those yours.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
If you want to talk about anything that compared the
rap I think he's the one that covered every ground
of how you want to do it in the most
such a prefection way in the shortest span like that.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
We only had three years though he came out in
ninety four.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
In ninety seven, we ain't get a chance to enjoy nothing,
but he did though he he no, I've been doing
that for Junior Mafia on Earth.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
No, no, no here. Hey. He paved the way for everybody.
Fucked you Big to show this.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Everybody like on the hip hop culture, whether you know
it or not, you was influenced by the B I G.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
The B I G.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Listen though, that's a load of grave with me, nigga,
I'm nigga, would call.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Me bias or whatever. No, listen, that man, nothing nothing.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I just up there. That's wias too. That's so now
they're gonna tell my man nothing. You know, I'm biased too.
He ain't get here to have twenty thirty year run
like anybody else did. But if I'm biased too, and
he sounds, he will be smoking everything right now. He
was here, everything that he left would still be here
right now.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
So me, as a fan from outside, similar to this guy.
And I'm not just saying because then I'm tired of
this guy. Right here's my business partner. But I'm tired
of business my brother, I hear you listen, Yeah, but
he's very similar right with Big. Every verse he would drop,
whether it's on one twelve, whether it's with y'all, whether
(31:10):
he's with every He never had a whack verse ever,
don't doubt, and you would hear this shit and every
time he pulled out a new verse, we'd be like,
you know what he's saying. Now, you know kiss got
that impact too. That's why TOPDD did or lie of it.
But like a statement he made, he created that for
him sauce. He is that top five that are alive.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
He is that.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
But outside of being that, he's a top five realist
nigga in the world. Come to my hood, come sit there,
got pictures with my mom. I performed as uncle parties
and shit, you know I performed at his daughter sweet sixteen.
He come to my hood every day and come hang
out with me there on my birthday, my mother birthday,
sister's birthday. Niggas see my little nephew. Give my little
nephew a couple of dollars play basketball Like no, he's
(31:54):
a That's what makes you that too, outside of rapper,
So about how you carry yourself. You know what I'm saying,
ain't got to be the best ship in the world lyrically,
but you could. That makes you that too. About how
you carry yourself, how you maintain, how you keep you
un segregated.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Your mortals is about everything, you know what I'm saying.
So I was out of that. I appreciate that, man,
It's my god. It was very nice gesture.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Teell me me and his mom's got the same name,
his mom's and mama.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
You know what I'm saying, Like, how coincidental was that? Here? Geminal?
Like my boy? I see y'all be tight for years?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeah, try to I've seen a lot of people turn
their back on them. I didn't not then untirely demise
it be I you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
You know Zoe's three sides of that everage story.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
But if people Yeah, how you talk about me and
Big and y'all getting tight and all that? And how
how can you say big as your man and then
ship on the lead.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
You know what I mean? You talking to the world guy.
No not so I'm in an exam.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
I've kept it one thousand percent with them, seems little Kim,
all of them. I never understood how little Kim had
beef and dudes wasn't standing by her side and all that.
I never understood it because the way I've only seen
little Seats and little Kim is with biggiest smalls. Now,
(33:20):
if Biggie Spoils is King of New York, he's Frank
White And I used to see it's the same ship.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yo. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I'm not comparing the apples and oranges with the same
thing with Krun Punn to come. And when he was rapping,
nobody want to rap next to him, Nobody want to
smoke with him, Nobody want to cipher with him. Nobody
wanted this, nobody wanted that. And then he died. Nobody
want to mention him. No top five, no top ten,
no nothing. But when he was here, y'all was scared
(33:52):
of death for him. When he was doing lyrics. Now
for your dudes, I I remember pun calling me damn
near crime. They won't let me upstairs to the how
ninety seven used to put people on sighther. Everybody upstairs
was like, no, they doing the cipher. He's calling the
hotline from flex. I don't want to say.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
The rappers up there, they were like, no, do not
let him upstairs. They did not want him to come
up in there. Then in the middle, but he passed.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
He pretty much If it ain't for us, we can't
defend his legacy, You guys, seemed to not mention how
nice he was.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Right, So it's the same thing. When I met you
and I met Little Kim.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
I'm like, yo, I'm out with the King, Like how
could I let somebody Bolley huh or Caesar or anything
like that?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Like I'm not fake. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
I'm not gonna be yo, big this is your man.
Then when when something happened to him, I switch.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Up on you.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
You know what I'm saying, shout out to all his moms.
I felt like we lost moms hip hop, at least
New York.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I see that. Mama, my girl.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
I can't even tell the stories, but you know they
always say a lot. But you know the loved You know,
you know that too much. You know well she loved.
She showed you.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
It was on her grand kissls on her if she
don't rock.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
With your s two days. But that's the luck of
your past, not the day she passed. The day before
she was talking about me to Wayne Burrows and and Homegirl.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
She called me and.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Was like, y'all, Mama Wallace was just asking about you
this and this and that and talk about you a
good guy. I love Mama Wallace. I just felt like
she was the mom of hip hop. And that's how
I felt. That's that, you know what I'm saying. And
so did things the right way.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
She did it the right way, and you know, she
made sure everything was set up like like really like
she took over with big left for hand. She really
took it over and put it in perspective. Man, you
know what I'm saying. His kids is super straight, That's
what and that's what mattered, right, and so we care
you are still able to take care of his family,
maybe after thirty years, the year they were from the grave,
(36:11):
still make sure his kids straight to even to this
day his mom was left.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
He made sure. That's crazy, what's good and that's and
that's something.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
You say on the generation of well, you know what
I'm saying, that's what we're talking about generational wealth is
I mean, I always felt like, you know, look, I
don't wish you nothing on me, but I always felt like,
still my point is I didn't know, yeah, you know,
(36:39):
this guy has your clever. The point is I always
felt like I would be happy if if self God
for being happened to me and my family was straight.
You know what I'm saying, like that's the big That's
what it is.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
You see these mafia dudes, they're born up in crime
and they no sooner or later somebody's either gonna knock
them off or they going to jail forever. But their
family is straight in the mansion forever. They own the
fucking construction businesses.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
And this they kid.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
You just basically it's like you a warrior with a
shielding and the fucking sword, and you go out there
to make sure them kids are straight forever. Yeah, same
thing with you, same thing with me. That's that's the dream.
Biggie actually did it. That's fucking amazing. Thirty years later
he's still taking kids family, and that's you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Like and but you see that generational type of thing,
and and us peers from our era, like you see
that in you you see.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, that was our era.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
We appreciate stuff like that, like making sure our kids
are straight. We don't want our kids to or niece's
nephews to grow up and go through the ship that
we actually went through.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Like now, I don't want them to go to no tunnel.
I don't I don' want.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
My nephew, do that, go play basketball, Go do that tunnel,
Master Square Garden, you know, go through that tunnel in
the Barclays Like I went through that tunnel before that.
I was a tunnel when we was really outside. But
when you get to you know, to see his kids
do that, they had to grow up like how I
grew up.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
So I go on vacations with them, like we go
on trip. You don't.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
We don't go to the block. Rush, We don't go
to the block. We don't go to the hood. When
I be hanging out with his kids.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
He's no like when Big, you know, in the middle
of all that beef from Big was going there. I
don't want to elaborate on wax shit, but when we like,
I think everybody knew he shouldn't be in LA at
that time, Right, did you feel like that.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I was too young to feel that way. I've seen him.
He was smiling from.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Even No I get it, but no, we know he
was smiling. He went out there young like he was
happy to hang out there.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
He was happy. He was he was happy and didn't overhead.
If you asked me, even it was to be away.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
He was a whole and n't know how to not
tell people that right when people like that, Why y'all
was out there because he wanted to be there. That's
what he wanted to be to this day, I stand
on that, like yo, bo, he ain't want to live.
That's where he enjoyed it. He wanted to jill it.
That's where he wanted to vibe at. I don't know,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Know how to stay up to somebody, but your wife
he wanted.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Why that's where we wanted to be there his own man.
He was comfortable there, and he loft la, so he
wanted to be there. I'm on front line with him. Okay, cool,
we leave them all.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
No, we ain't even tomorrow. We gonna stay here another week. Cool,
we're here all right, just where he wanted to be.
He called the shots. It was his situation. He felt
good about being there, you know what I'm saying. He
felt like that place was a safe place for not
even being safe. He just wanted to be somewhere where
he wanted to be. He didn't give a fuck. Really,
we got there by twenty four years old. D we
(39:45):
older now we all turn in forties, forty fives, in
our fifties.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
He was twenty four. You know what I'm saying. We
were still say he his niggas ain't no no better.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
He died a baby every man fun. They both died
of baby like. They both twenty something.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Like kids. You know what I'm saying. I saw a
fun before he passed.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I did the show, and I was in a showing
somewhere like North Carolina, somewhere he had to he was
in the news the weight and we watched.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
All signed to the same label.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
So I come to my room, and you got some
people in your room before I got about ship, I
got deep rock, little got a bunch of aggressive ass
niggas that they were coming there. It's fun sitting and
see suck.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, what's up? So bro? He love it, y'all. He
loved it. Yeah, hell yeah man, fun for sure. Dud heyeh.
He had crazy loved big.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
I think that's one of the people he never got
to rock with.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
That he really really I would have loved the rock
with and and you know, imagine a big and fun
so imagine that big her, bigger herd. Firewater. He heard firewater.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
He said, Yo, your man, this spit with you was
dead nice, this this and that he heard that. Sh
know what I'm saying, Like, you know, that's the ship
I'd be having to live with, like ship like that,
like damn man.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
If dog was here, oh yes, like yeah, ship would
have loved him.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
She was here to smoke something. The ship I'm smoking.
He's smoking some good ship. Yeah, he didn't get a chance.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
He missed it. He didn't get to smoke the pure
he was smoking, was smoking that ship. They can't call chronic.
Now he caught, he caught, he caught. He ain't catch
the way they catch this right now, right if he
was his name and they catch it that ship, he
ain't catch that, yo, yo, Yo, cahn't wait? Did he
go see him and get him going full up? Yo?
When we got we got something, bring some bring something
(41:41):
to the bron up there when the ant wi and
not go see right to him. He ain't come with
that boppy budle. You know Howody brought it up there
for or he wanted? Yeah, yeah, I'm sure he hear something.
Now you think, do you believe?
Speaker 4 (41:52):
Let me ask you a questions which might be crazy,
but it's real, right, you believe when you die, you
go to heaven and they wait even for you and
and Big Year be there waiting for you.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
I don't think of that way. I think it's a
life after.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
I do think that now I need you got to
play and when he uses so you know I can't.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I don't know which one does probablieve the children on
a few let me ask you questions. No one, that's
why you got a yo.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
They don't want that man everyone. But let me tell you,
so you don't believe when you pass away you go
see your people.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
I donn't believe it happens like the way you think,
like TV, it's a gate in it.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I don't, David say.
Speaker 6 (42:48):
I don't think it's like the Park video. I think
to pull up here right there, you shoots on Joe,
Joe praise Joe crat.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
That is like that.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
And I want to see my Nigga Raoul. I want
to see my mother and father. I want to see Biggie.
I want to see everybody.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
So if I believe in heaven and I believe in God,
I believe that we're gonna see him. And so they
they call me crazy capped Joe, whatever the fuck you want,
But I believe.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
I think I'm fraid so much.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
It is like that that my nigga told Montana my
best friend ever in history.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
I wish I could have that conversation. You did it, nigga.
We was watching you.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
They was coming up here saying, I want that. You
know what I'm saying my brother that I know. I'm
just saying my brother Tom Montana got killed before I
even put.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Out a single, but he knew I was rapping. He
was proud of me.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
And so imagine if I could go to heaven and
he's just waiting for me, like, oh you you did
this and this and this and that. What was one
of the illest ship that happened to you? That blew
your mind that you couldn't believe that. Y'all met Shaka Khan,
(44:12):
y'all met some some Oh y'all was rocking with fucking
Michael Jesson.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Was you there for that? I was there. I wasn't
in the session or he would you see him? Michael? Yes? Nah,
you see Mike Man. That's the one time he violated me.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Bro big old ah, Michael be I Well he went
to do the song with Mike right, he was like, yo, listen,
Bro just rolled me up.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
A few.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
I rolled him on. Some blunts want to go do
this first with Mike. So I'm thinking I'm still like
coming there with him, right. He's like, Yo, nah, bro,
stay here. I don't trust him with the kids. He
was joking. Yeah. Then so I sat in the whip
(45:03):
with the verse for Michael came back hour later.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Verse done.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Check that's out. Yeah, I ain't. I left you on
the G fourteen G fourteen. That's you're five classified. What's
what's the G fourteen? What's the G fourteen? He left
him and he left him in the whip. The man
(45:30):
told him, Yo, jasi fi. He's just said fall back.
I'm going to rock with Michael with st you say
for that's just a fallback. I wouldn't go.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Fourteen fifteen. It's been, it's been. I want to.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
I want to meet Michael Jackson his meetings. It's people me,
I says. Look, one of my most trusted people on
the planet Earth. His pistol pe. You see him over there.
There's people that just to be having met people I'm
tight with, they will call me their brother, their family.
They this, they that the pristoph p.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
They meant.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
There's people are going there by myself, go talk to
them and have a conversation with him and then come back.
In certain places, you just can't bring nobody, so you
go up in there and you just fortunately.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Listen to though I get that Leo. No, this was
like Leo. He's my brother. I love him to death.
I take him anywhere. I died with him.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
And it's certain places I gotta be like yo, gossh,
I see y'all little later.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
I gotta walk over here. It just I was on Punk.
They did that to you on Punk. Yeah, they told me,
don't bring nobody. That's why he was in the whip
by yourself. Now that makes sense. And you with too,
though I ain't even see that ship. But let me
tell you. So they try to punk me.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
They never could punk me because my guys wouldn't sell
me out, but they wanted to do. They went to
Joe Bentley because he used to reven the Bentley's and
all that, and they told him they want to put
a dead, fake dead body.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
In the trunk.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Pull me over and act like I got a dead
body in the trunk, off pump bro. That was the
narrative for Fat Joe. Open the trunk and it's a
dead body in there. And Joe Bailey wouldn't sell me out.
He was like, Yo, I s can't do that.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
I'm not huh, well, it's not a heart attack. I
would have did what I do now, Yo, I don't
know nothing. I got a lawyer, swear to God. What
would have happened on that camera? Was like, Yo, I
don't know nothing about that. Yo. I got a lawyer,
say J Cunseler, like, that's it. That's what I would
have did. That's all.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
They would have caught on video. But they wouldn't sell
me out. They tried Raoul, they tried Joe Bentley, they
tried like three people, and everybody.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Like, yo, you crazy man.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
I ain't setting Joe up with that ship like Joe
ain't doing he ain't gonna go for it. They told him, Yo,
you ain't punking them. He ain't he not gonna go
for it. You're wasting your time and it's shue. I
swear to God. If they did it now, somebody put
it their body in my truck, I'll be like, Yo,
I got a.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Lawyer, man, ship, I ain't saying that. I ain't gonna
hear anybody about yo. He make it that sound really?
My mother, Yo, my mother taught me.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
Let me tell you something my mother taught me when
we didn't have a fucking dollar, we didn't.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Even have a dollar. How about we never had a lawyer.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
My moms would tell me in the project, sure they
grab you. I told my daughter my Sonday, one million
times they ever grab you anything on earth. Just telling
me he's not a lawyer. You have to tell him
he's got a lawyer. That eliminates everything else. So it's
nothing really to talk about. It's like, Yo, what you
want me to do?
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yo? This is terrible. But you think I'm gonna try
to convince it. I don't know. There's nothing you could
do with call a lawyers.
Speaker 4 (48:57):
I can't convince you I didn't put that body in
this trunk of what I'm fucked or.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Not call the lawyers. Call the lawyer. That's what that was.
It They tried to pump me. They shot. They definitely
trying to pump me. So that Michael. You wasn't there
for Michael Jackson. But what was you there for? That?
That you coming from Brooklyn? Young kid? Michael? And he
was like, yo, were really doing this? Like this is crazy?
(49:22):
What is it.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
I mean I would say that like our first session,
like you know, when we first got on, I know it.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Was a studio. Yeah, like just that was a big moment.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
I mean, you know, not thinking, you know, you think
you're just gonna all right, be as your boy.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
That's family, that's a big brother. He on.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
He came out in ninety four, We was out ninety five.
That's how fast we was in the studio. That's absolutely
the year. That's absolutely impossible to do too, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
That was like becoming a legend and then you putting
somebody else on and working for him and putting their
music out of gear.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
That's like it's beyond unheard of.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Came out nineteen ninety four, We came out in August
nineteen ninety five, like delivery a year later and not
just you know Kim be as a director like nah,
he that that was his that's what he was doing.
That's twenty four years old, twenty two you create the
process before he died.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
Yeah, the clothing line already what was man, that ship
was fly too hey, you know so here so we
were just really just know I just said that I
post about he is just knowing him and seeing I
think he would have been a huge entrepreneur, like the
jay z is you know he was. He was just
(50:40):
big poper diners, Yeah, proper restaurant these is already he
was already dealing with people like what everybody to tell you?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
He was gonna deal with you. That just the Commission album.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
He was already creating things in his head, like all right,
House Side of Mafia, got a commission thing I want
to do.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
He told me about jay Z. I had it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
He was like, yo, Joe, I said, yo, big come
to my birthday party. I think I had fucking China
Club or something. He was like, Yo, I might slide
by with this. Dude is crazy nice. His name is
jay Z.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
It's my man.
Speaker 4 (51:13):
I was like, worry. He was like, Yo, I'm gonna
come by with jay Z. He didn't come, but he
definitely told me about jay Z like he was like, Yo,
that was my man, jay Z. He dead nice. He
was talking like that, he's dead nice. He's gonna blow
this stack. But they never came. But that was the time, man,
that whole time.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
We was a fan of the music, you know, all
of us at that time. It was just like we
was really doing some shit to change our lives. Like
you know what I mean, Like we so we really
enjoyed being around each other, fucking with each other. It
was dope to go to the Bronx. It was dope
to go to Theonkas and hang out. And you know,
the big guy give me money, power, respect. We always
loved Big popa video like there he built something from that,
(51:53):
Like just from that point on, it's like when Big die.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
It made us all like it's like people before home.
We're gonna gonna keep it tight. You know.
Speaker 4 (52:02):
That's how I feel, right, And that's why whenever you
see me jumping out, whether it's a big birthday, big anniversary,
bring everything, I gotta jump out. You sure I gotta
jump anything because I gotta let them know. Y'all win forgetting.
B I g like, not while I'm alive, not while
I'm here. We're not forgetting you know, the man who
(52:26):
inspired us to become who we are, you know what
I'm saying, Like I still to this day and I
and I shout it out. The other day was with
Ray and we half like like Heavy D. Like Heavy
D gave me the confidence as a thirty yearning when
he earned in my heart he gets confidence.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
No every d no b I G. I'm telling you, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Heavy d was the fly Toe is day right, because
he don't get that.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
He don't he don't get that. To this day, I
throw that ship on. I'm telling it.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
To this day, I might have some fly yellow freak
owen leather shit on. And then I look in the
instagram and I see it be like, Yo, nineteen ninety
one nigga have had the same shit.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Over thirty years ago. I'm like, yo, I still ain't
catch him. Like I can't beat heavy Bee's fly. He
was just so.
Speaker 4 (53:23):
Fucking fly as a big mass saint thing with b
ib I was like super fly.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Oh that was his homework. Though he got that from
him too, though, Like that's where no heavy ding. I'm saying,
we know that like that, you know one of the
things you know, I would say we got you from too.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
My wife is far from a groupie, but one of
the things she thanks me for is for introducing her
the big and she danks me, yo, man, thank you
for letting me meet Biggie Sufficial. And you know that's like,
you know, Biggie, you know we gotta talk Biggie. We
always got to talk Tupac. These two guys, right or
(54:01):
like they're gonna live forever A thousand years.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
From now, they're gonna live longer than us. Yeah, they're
martyrd hip hop for this whole thing. Let me tell
you something, And a lot of people don't get it.
Fucked up.
Speaker 4 (54:15):
Everybody has something to do with hip hop. We can
go cool her Rambastard, flash man by everything, but five
hundred years from now, hip hop is long gone. But
they analyze it like we're looking at the fucking Pyramids
and all this. Five hundred years and hip hop culture
comes up, they're gonna talk about Biggie and Tupac, no doubt,
(54:40):
there's nowhere around it. They're gonna be doing fucking seminars
and fucking college like right now. They definitely got Biggie
classes Tupac classes like those are the two faces of
hip hop music.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
After that, then you go.
Speaker 4 (54:55):
Down, break down whoever else you everybody play, they part
hip hop. I don't want nobody watching this from the
atf off the West Coast. Skylar Rocket is like one
of the first like rapper around, but he's not.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
Going to be talking about it five.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
Years killed like street Wise, No scholar Rock broke my
heart throwing bead that ain't left that week.
Speaker 4 (55:14):
But see if people don't know about Oh, I'm fucking
bead p Moodiquas don't play by.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
I bet I'm beat ep you talk about b ig
One time.
Speaker 4 (55:27):
I was struggling after flow Jo because you think you
good as your last hit, flow Jo can be number one.
You hustling getting checks when that ship slowed down two
years later, I never forget my idel care risk one.
He came to my apartment in the drost said, Joe,
how you doing.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
I was fucked up?
Speaker 4 (55:45):
You know what I'm saying, because once I left the
drug game, it was all about rap. So I had
to make my money rap. So he came to see
me and he took me City Island. He sat down there,
Chris and the city l Rest and he said, he said, Yo,
what's up?
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Fucked up? Ya? I'm fucked up? He said, you come
with me, hype it up, you do flow Jo, and
I'm gonna throw you a little twenty twenty five hundred.
It was like ten thousand back to the base. So
he took me for a couple of months. To hype
him up.
Speaker 4 (56:13):
I was just hype man and I get to do
flow Joe, and you know what else was there with
a wake up at.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
What they got this tuck if I heard when it
is Channel.
Speaker 4 (56:22):
Live like well I do was fluk man and Yoda,
he's whatever that twenty five hundrey can't through saved my
life twenty five hundred. My rent was five hundred. I
got the one one one bedroom. Went back like yeah,
I got the one on one.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
My rent was five hundred, twenty five hundred.
Speaker 4 (56:42):
I'm like, yo, we say he would come and be like, Yo,
what's up. We're gonna go to Philly, Yo, hype me
up this, We're going to Atlantic City.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
We're gonna boss it. Hype me up. And so he
fed me, you know during that time.
Speaker 4 (56:54):
But you know there was you know, we know we
had hard times and hit by something is great.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
Sometimes it's slow up.
Speaker 4 (57:03):
That's why you say all the time, Yo, we just
gotta keep we gotta keep working. We just can't start
even if we don't need it. We gotta keep going
and going and going and going. I'm going to Mongolia
next week, mon, I gotta get the bag. Well, Mongolia,
(57:23):
I gotta fly to China into Mongolia. You know I
real that. It tried my best. I said, no, I
ain't doing that now, Mongolia. I love you, thank you
for the opportunity. I was like, nah, no way, I'm
going this and this and that.
Speaker 7 (57:38):
You don't used to fly you fly there? Yeah, but
I don't fight. I don't want to do it in
Miami Flow. I don't want to listen. That's I don't
no more than that.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
My way is like number nine to k R China,
then another.
Speaker 4 (57:58):
Two to all Mongol. But what I'm trying to tell
you is that rich place. Oh, I guess you are
getting on that fucking flight. I said, you're wish. He
was like, Nick, we get in that bag. Bro, you
know what I'm saying. So you know you.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Gotta do that. I don't really need it. I really
don't really have to go. Brother. I'm being honest with you.
But you gotta do it before you need it. You
gotta work when you don't need when you need it,
You're all right, we got it. It's the only way
to do it.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
It's a choice at that point once you already don't
put it in already you're like, all right, of course,
I ain't like I have to sound it just that,
And I was like saying, whoa, I like saying that.
But once you put work, you put your work of head.
You don't have to you can do lessons whatever by that, No.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
No, I could do it. I don't really have to go.
I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm gonna get the
bag because I gotta go get that.
Speaker 3 (58:53):
You know, there's no justification when it's going his bad
getting time.
Speaker 2 (58:58):
I don't care when my goal is That's what I said.
Speaker 4 (59:02):
People used to tell me that one time, Fat Joe
toward the whole Africa dovvy do if you want to
throw your hat of some dovvy do. So I went
to Africa so much and Doavy Doe. When I met
him at an All Star game. You was there too
at that All Star game. He was like, Yo, you
was in my village ten times when I was a kid,
(59:22):
I watched you in my village in Africa.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
You know what I'm saying. So I would go.
Speaker 4 (59:27):
To Africa to tour another artist and be like, yo,
you're going to Africa, and I'd be like, yo, my
man got killed over one dollar in the dice game.
In the Bronx. He asked better, They stabbed him in
his heart and he died. How much more dangerous couldn't
be a fucking Africa where in my projects? I know
(59:49):
guys that died for one dollar. Well, I gotta go
geta We gonna see it, my goalie and beef falls out.
Speaker 2 (59:56):
There is the good shit. You know what I'm saying.
I'm going after. We gonna see man. Be I wasn't
get on to plan no more than thirteen outs. I see.
I had a limit. He had a limit. We ain't go.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
We had We had boogets in Japan and Alaska. He's
not getting He was like, I'm not doing that smart
anything twelve hours old. He ain't fucking with it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
So I got to break it up.
Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
I go to Dubai for a little twelve thirteen hours,
stay one day, and then fly to China number eight nine.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
And then that.
Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Didn't take the two your rids, Man, go fuck yourself
on your birthday.
Speaker 8 (01:00:37):
Man, get the fuck out of here. I'm going to
fuck it the fucking fucked out of here. Fa yo,
oh man, this ain't that.
Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
I mean this cracking kiss baskets, no doubt, man, shout
out to the fun Blue.
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Shout out to our guess. My brother sees it, Leo.
I appreciate y'all for having me made. He's around.
Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
He's gonna be loving in and out, you know what
I mean. Got two of my big brothers, and he's
like the cousin to the show, no doubt. Yeah, he's
supposed to be like brother man just pops up. Well,
I'm then for the fifth floor. Yeah, but that's what
the fuck happened?
Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
You right over here chilling, I saying, Oh no, we
gotta get seized this motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Yeo man.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Shout out to B I G. Shout out with me.
I got an album coming out. Part of the City,
a documentary call from a young G's perspective. Wow, you
know what I'm saying. And Uh, I'm gonna keep it going.
I'm gonna keep on representing for B I G. You know,
coach with ship here no flat out to the home
rotten shout to d Rock, shout the rule, Shout out
(01:01:43):
to see gother R. Peter Cheep, del Vet R. Peter,
mister Bristown. You know what I'm saying. Mr C fifty
Grand Uh, shout out banging Blake, banging Blake. That's my fear,
you know. Brown shout to the whole team. Man got
we gotta say Kim off word out, Ok Bronson, ask
you if I love you Kim.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Anybody's everybody's that.
Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Man Lands, You know what I'm saying. God damn, who
else is running the pullup bars over there?
Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Over here?
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
You calling out the whole pull up bars? One calling
out a whole eleven
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